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Liz
July 1st 03, 05:10 AM
> Or people who just leave tehir pets outside the whole time and just feed
> it. Makes me wonder why they even have a pet.
> Alice

That is quite common here. People will feed roaming animals, treat
them if they need medical care, but they will not take the animal in,
they don't consider it their animal.

Liz
July 1st 03, 05:10 AM
> Or people who just leave tehir pets outside the whole time and just feed
> it. Makes me wonder why they even have a pet.
> Alice

That is quite common here. People will feed roaming animals, treat
them if they need medical care, but they will not take the animal in,
they don't consider it their animal.

July 1st 03, 08:13 AM
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Tara > wrote:
> This, IMO, is more the equivalent of asking how to go about dealing with
> a dog who is particularly hard to housebreak. Some dogs housebreak
> easily, some are incredibly difficult. Just because someone is having a
> harder time with theirs than you had with yours doesn't make them lazy,
> nor does it make them unconcerned.

Once agian, I was responding to who I quoted to...

And anyways, when I said that I had more in mind people getting dogs and
then wondering why they were chewing things up, or wanting to stick the
dog in a crate for 8 hours! Or buying dogs without doing any sort of
research on the breed they get or even on how to care for the dog! (or
cat).

Or just getting whatever pet they can get first or if it looks cool with
no regard to whether they can care for the pet or if they are even
supporting thigns like puppy mills.

> I hope she never gets another pet of *any* kind. But these examples and
> your subsequent labeling of *all* people experiencing difficulty is
> pretty misplaced. You're defining anyone who asks how to resolve an
> issue as though they were the above extreme examples....and they're just
> not the same.

No, I'm just pointing out examples of why I have such a low opinion of
most people in general. I just feel that at least 50% of people with pets
treat them like throwaway objects. As I have said, i wasn't using this to
direct this at any person on this thread, the commetn the person I quoted
made me feel like ranting on something that has been bothering me.

If it makes you feel better I applaud people who actually look liek they
are generally interested in learning how to train their pets and get along
with them. But I find they are far too few. A lot just want magical cures
(like wanting barking collars to cure their dogs barking without having to
work witht he dog themselves).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

July 1st 03, 08:13 AM
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Tara > wrote:
> This, IMO, is more the equivalent of asking how to go about dealing with
> a dog who is particularly hard to housebreak. Some dogs housebreak
> easily, some are incredibly difficult. Just because someone is having a
> harder time with theirs than you had with yours doesn't make them lazy,
> nor does it make them unconcerned.

Once agian, I was responding to who I quoted to...

And anyways, when I said that I had more in mind people getting dogs and
then wondering why they were chewing things up, or wanting to stick the
dog in a crate for 8 hours! Or buying dogs without doing any sort of
research on the breed they get or even on how to care for the dog! (or
cat).

Or just getting whatever pet they can get first or if it looks cool with
no regard to whether they can care for the pet or if they are even
supporting thigns like puppy mills.

> I hope she never gets another pet of *any* kind. But these examples and
> your subsequent labeling of *all* people experiencing difficulty is
> pretty misplaced. You're defining anyone who asks how to resolve an
> issue as though they were the above extreme examples....and they're just
> not the same.

No, I'm just pointing out examples of why I have such a low opinion of
most people in general. I just feel that at least 50% of people with pets
treat them like throwaway objects. As I have said, i wasn't using this to
direct this at any person on this thread, the commetn the person I quoted
made me feel like ranting on something that has been bothering me.

If it makes you feel better I applaud people who actually look liek they
are generally interested in learning how to train their pets and get along
with them. But I find they are far too few. A lot just want magical cures
(like wanting barking collars to cure their dogs barking without having to
work witht he dog themselves).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

July 1st 03, 08:16 AM
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Liz > wrote:
>> Or people who just leave tehir pets outside the whole time and just feed
>> it. Makes me wonder why they even have a pet.
>> Alice
>
> That is quite common here. People will feed roaming animals, treat
> them if they need medical care, but they will not take the animal in,
> they don't consider it their animal.

That doesn't bug me so much. What bugs me is stuff like this guy who was
buying a chain for his dog. I mentioned that it is better for the dog to
fence the dog than chain it, and he was like, "I don't give a **** how the
dog feels, I just want to stop him escaping." And apparently he just left
his dog outside the whole time and didn't do much with it, I suppose it
wast here as some sort of burglarly prevention (I wish people like this
would just buy a house alarm).

Or the view of, "it's just a cat" or "it's just a dog" and I]'m not going
through all that trouble/money for it (for pets that didn't just start
hanging out at their house).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

July 1st 03, 08:16 AM
In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Liz > wrote:
>> Or people who just leave tehir pets outside the whole time and just feed
>> it. Makes me wonder why they even have a pet.
>> Alice
>
> That is quite common here. People will feed roaming animals, treat
> them if they need medical care, but they will not take the animal in,
> they don't consider it their animal.

That doesn't bug me so much. What bugs me is stuff like this guy who was
buying a chain for his dog. I mentioned that it is better for the dog to
fence the dog than chain it, and he was like, "I don't give a **** how the
dog feels, I just want to stop him escaping." And apparently he just left
his dog outside the whole time and didn't do much with it, I suppose it
wast here as some sort of burglarly prevention (I wish people like this
would just buy a house alarm).

Or the view of, "it's just a cat" or "it's just a dog" and I]'m not going
through all that trouble/money for it (for pets that didn't just start
hanging out at their house).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

*~*SooZy*~*
July 1st 03, 08:49 AM
"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> "P.D." > wrote:
>
> > I tried to train my cats, and they are just stubborn,
>
> Cats need to use their claws.
>
> Lean a carpet wrapped 2x4 against something and put their dry food at the
> top of the climb. Let them know the food is up there. Then you have
> solved the stubborn problem, they have to eat. Conceivably, there is a
> point at which the climb can be made long enough so that they will be too
> tired to scratch anything else. In any case, the perpetual climbing
> constantly reminds them that the carpet wrapped 2x4s are great for
> scratching. My cats quickly figure out they are for scratching,
> really sinking their claws into, and having fun. You might have to adjust
> for a weaker cat.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Out.
>
> LShaping

that's a brilliant idea, good thinking :-)

*~*SooZy*~*
July 1st 03, 08:49 AM
"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> "P.D." > wrote:
>
> > I tried to train my cats, and they are just stubborn,
>
> Cats need to use their claws.
>
> Lean a carpet wrapped 2x4 against something and put their dry food at the
> top of the climb. Let them know the food is up there. Then you have
> solved the stubborn problem, they have to eat. Conceivably, there is a
> point at which the climb can be made long enough so that they will be too
> tired to scratch anything else. In any case, the perpetual climbing
> constantly reminds them that the carpet wrapped 2x4s are great for
> scratching. My cats quickly figure out they are for scratching,
> really sinking their claws into, and having fun. You might have to adjust
> for a weaker cat.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Out.
>
> LShaping

that's a brilliant idea, good thinking :-)

*~*SooZy*~*
July 1st 03, 08:58 AM
"P.D." > wrote in message
. net...
> are you brain dead? I said I tried training, I spend a lot of time
trying,
> my cats just don't respond to it.


excuse me if you go back to the first posting of soft post it say
<copy and pasted>

After reading about declawing, I decided not to do it. I wanted to know if
anyone here uses "Soft Paws"? Are they hard to apply? Do they really work?
Cats don't get them off by scratching them allot of scratching posts or
anything?

thanks


--
--
Steve

its doesn't say anything there about you had tried training already, hence
my reply!

*~*SooZy*~*
July 1st 03, 08:58 AM
"P.D." > wrote in message
. net...
> are you brain dead? I said I tried training, I spend a lot of time
trying,
> my cats just don't respond to it.


excuse me if you go back to the first posting of soft post it say
<copy and pasted>

After reading about declawing, I decided not to do it. I wanted to know if
anyone here uses "Soft Paws"? Are they hard to apply? Do they really work?
Cats don't get them off by scratching them allot of scratching posts or
anything?

thanks


--
--
Steve

its doesn't say anything there about you had tried training already, hence
my reply!

Yngver
July 1st 03, 06:53 PM
Joe wrote:

>BTW P.D. about another reply you made to me. Cats don't sharpen their
>claws, they exercise their tendons/muscles. You might notice that a cat's
>claw is the sharpest (but maybe not the hardest) immediately after it sheds
>the claw's outer layer. If you have trimmed the claw, it will become more
>pointed with each shedding. I only trim them under unusual circumstances.
>
I haven't found that to be the case with my cats. After 5 years of trimming
claws every other week, their claws seem to stay blunt longer. Now I only trim
the claws that are sharp, because some of them are still blunted from the last
trim.

Of course, it could also be that as the cat ages, the claws grow out slower,
but the result is the same.

Yngver
July 1st 03, 06:53 PM
Joe wrote:

>BTW P.D. about another reply you made to me. Cats don't sharpen their
>claws, they exercise their tendons/muscles. You might notice that a cat's
>claw is the sharpest (but maybe not the hardest) immediately after it sheds
>the claw's outer layer. If you have trimmed the claw, it will become more
>pointed with each shedding. I only trim them under unusual circumstances.
>
I haven't found that to be the case with my cats. After 5 years of trimming
claws every other week, their claws seem to stay blunt longer. Now I only trim
the claws that are sharp, because some of them are still blunted from the last
trim.

Of course, it could also be that as the cat ages, the claws grow out slower,
but the result is the same.

Joe
July 1st 03, 08:46 PM
Laura A. Robinson > wrote:
> Joe ) said,

>> Why not clip the cat's claws?

> If you'd like, I can post pictures of my cats' very short,
> very *sharp* claws.

Go ahead and post pictures, please. I will take a look. Thanks.

Joe
July 1st 03, 08:46 PM
Laura A. Robinson > wrote:
> Joe ) said,

>> Why not clip the cat's claws?

> If you'd like, I can post pictures of my cats' very short,
> very *sharp* claws.

Go ahead and post pictures, please. I will take a look. Thanks.

Tara
July 2nd 03, 01:01 AM
*~*SooZy*~* wrote:
> "P.D." > wrote in message
> . net...
>
>>are you brain dead? I said I tried training, I spend a lot of time
>
> trying,
>
>>my cats just don't respond to it.
>
>
>
> excuse me if you go back to the first posting of soft post it say
> <copy and pasted>

And in one of the next posts he wrote in the thread, he mentioned having
tried training.

I'm extremely glad he's decided against having his cats toes cut off,
but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.

Tara

Tara
July 2nd 03, 01:01 AM
*~*SooZy*~* wrote:
> "P.D." > wrote in message
> . net...
>
>>are you brain dead? I said I tried training, I spend a lot of time
>
> trying,
>
>>my cats just don't respond to it.
>
>
>
> excuse me if you go back to the first posting of soft post it say
> <copy and pasted>

And in one of the next posts he wrote in the thread, he mentioned having
tried training.

I'm extremely glad he's decided against having his cats toes cut off,
but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.

Tara

Tara
July 2nd 03, 01:06 AM
wrote:
> In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Tara > wrote:
>
>>This, IMO, is more the equivalent of asking how to go about dealing with
>>a dog who is particularly hard to housebreak. Some dogs housebreak
>>easily, some are incredibly difficult. Just because someone is having a
>>harder time with theirs than you had with yours doesn't make them lazy,
>>nor does it make them unconcerned.
>
>
> Once agian, I was responding to who I quoted to...

I read that in other posts and understand that's what you *meant*. What
came across was entirely different.

Given the context (someone ranting about why would anyone use something
as stupid as SoftPaws), your reply *did* appear to be answering that
question.

As I said, I certainly understand the out of context and out of place
rant, but then please understand when people read it *in* context rather
than the out of context way you may have intended it.

Tara

Tara
July 2nd 03, 01:06 AM
wrote:
> In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Tara > wrote:
>
>>This, IMO, is more the equivalent of asking how to go about dealing with
>>a dog who is particularly hard to housebreak. Some dogs housebreak
>>easily, some are incredibly difficult. Just because someone is having a
>>harder time with theirs than you had with yours doesn't make them lazy,
>>nor does it make them unconcerned.
>
>
> Once agian, I was responding to who I quoted to...

I read that in other posts and understand that's what you *meant*. What
came across was entirely different.

Given the context (someone ranting about why would anyone use something
as stupid as SoftPaws), your reply *did* appear to be answering that
question.

As I said, I certainly understand the out of context and out of place
rant, but then please understand when people read it *in* context rather
than the out of context way you may have intended it.

Tara

Cathy Friedmann
July 2nd 03, 04:11 AM
"Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
.net...
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:01:44 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
> > but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
> >
> Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
> their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
> evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
> freaks like ol' Joe there.
>
> Laura

I just noticed that "Joe" is "L Shaping" - shades from the past...

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Cathy Friedmann
July 2nd 03, 04:11 AM
"Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
.net...
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:01:44 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
> > but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
> >
> Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
> their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
> evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
> freaks like ol' Joe there.
>
> Laura

I just noticed that "Joe" is "L Shaping" - shades from the past...

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Tara
July 2nd 03, 04:16 AM
Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:01:44 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
>
>>but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
>>
>
> Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
> their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
> evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
> freaks like ol' Joe there.

Yeah, I read that little exchange there.

All I can say is you'll fit right in here in NYC. heh heh heh.

Tara

Tara
July 2nd 03, 04:16 AM
Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:01:44 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
>
>>but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
>>
>
> Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
> their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
> evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
> freaks like ol' Joe there.

Yeah, I read that little exchange there.

All I can say is you'll fit right in here in NYC. heh heh heh.

Tara

Tara
July 2nd 03, 04:22 AM
Cathy Friedmann wrote:
> "Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
> .net...
>
>>circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:01:44 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
>>Tara ) said,
>>
>>>but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
>>>
>>
>>Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
>>their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
>>evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
>>freaks like ol' Joe there.
>>
>>Laura
>
>
> I just noticed that "Joe" is "L Shaping" - shades from the past...

I don't get the reference.

Tara

Tara
July 2nd 03, 04:22 AM
Cathy Friedmann wrote:
> "Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
> .net...
>
>>circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:01:44 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
>>Tara ) said,
>>
>>>but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
>>>
>>
>>Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
>>their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
>>evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
>>freaks like ol' Joe there.
>>
>>Laura
>
>
> I just noticed that "Joe" is "L Shaping" - shades from the past...

I don't get the reference.

Tara

*~*SooZy*~*
July 2nd 03, 11:58 AM
"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> *~*SooZy*~* wrote:
> > "P.D." > wrote in message
> > . net...
> >
> >>are you brain dead? I said I tried training, I spend a lot of time
> >
> > trying,
> >
> >>my cats just don't respond to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > excuse me if you go back to the first posting of soft post it say
> > <copy and pasted>
>
> And in one of the next posts he wrote in the thread, he mentioned having
> tried training.
>
> I'm extremely glad he's decided against having his cats toes cut off,
> but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
>
> Tara
>

yes, very true but I had already replied by then! if you check the posts
and times you will see that.... It's just some people don't even try to
train their cats just find a fast and easy way to stop them, and it makes me
cross! if training has been tired and not worked for them ok maybe you need
to use another method!

*~*SooZy*~*
July 2nd 03, 11:58 AM
"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> *~*SooZy*~* wrote:
> > "P.D." > wrote in message
> > . net...
> >
> >>are you brain dead? I said I tried training, I spend a lot of time
> >
> > trying,
> >
> >>my cats just don't respond to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > excuse me if you go back to the first posting of soft post it say
> > <copy and pasted>
>
> And in one of the next posts he wrote in the thread, he mentioned having
> tried training.
>
> I'm extremely glad he's decided against having his cats toes cut off,
> but some of the posts in this thread really seem misplaced and unfair.
>
> Tara
>

yes, very true but I had already replied by then! if you check the posts
and times you will see that.... It's just some people don't even try to
train their cats just find a fast and easy way to stop them, and it makes me
cross! if training has been tired and not worked for them ok maybe you need
to use another method!

*~*SooZy*~*
July 2nd 03, 12:03 PM
"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
> > In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Tara > wrote:
> >
> >>This, IMO, is more the equivalent of asking how to go about dealing with
> >>a dog who is particularly hard to housebreak. Some dogs housebreak
> >>easily, some are incredibly difficult. Just because someone is having a
> >>harder time with theirs than you had with yours doesn't make them lazy,
> >>nor does it make them unconcerned.
> >
> >
> > Once agian, I was responding to who I quoted to...
>
> I read that in other posts and understand that's what you *meant*. What
> came across was entirely different.
>
> Given the context (someone ranting about why would anyone use something
> as stupid as SoftPaws), your reply *did* appear to be answering that
> question.
>
> As I said, I certainly understand the out of context and out of place
> rant, but then please understand when people read it *in* context rather
> than the out of context way you may have intended it.
>
> Tara
>

Ok Tara sorry, what I was meaning is people should try training rather than
just using soft paws! after reading my post again, I realise the way I had
worded it was completely wrong.
I have read up about soft paws since and realising the cats can still climb,
nail contract etc, so it really doesn't make much difference to them, so
maybe they are a good idea... shame about the colours of them tho! LOL

*~*SooZy*~*
July 2nd 03, 12:03 PM
"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
> > In rec.pets.cats.health+behav Tara > wrote:
> >
> >>This, IMO, is more the equivalent of asking how to go about dealing with
> >>a dog who is particularly hard to housebreak. Some dogs housebreak
> >>easily, some are incredibly difficult. Just because someone is having a
> >>harder time with theirs than you had with yours doesn't make them lazy,
> >>nor does it make them unconcerned.
> >
> >
> > Once agian, I was responding to who I quoted to...
>
> I read that in other posts and understand that's what you *meant*. What
> came across was entirely different.
>
> Given the context (someone ranting about why would anyone use something
> as stupid as SoftPaws), your reply *did* appear to be answering that
> question.
>
> As I said, I certainly understand the out of context and out of place
> rant, but then please understand when people read it *in* context rather
> than the out of context way you may have intended it.
>
> Tara
>

Ok Tara sorry, what I was meaning is people should try training rather than
just using soft paws! after reading my post again, I realise the way I had
worded it was completely wrong.
I have read up about soft paws since and realising the cats can still climb,
nail contract etc, so it really doesn't make much difference to them, so
maybe they are a good idea... shame about the colours of them tho! LOL

Cathy Friedmann
July 3rd 03, 04:49 AM
"Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
.net...
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:16:13 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
> > > Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
> > > their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
> > > evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
> > > freaks like ol' Joe there.
> >
> > Yeah, I read that little exchange there.
> >
> > All I can say is you'll fit right in here in NYC. heh heh heh.
> >
> >
> <snork> I was feeling grumpy. ;-)
>
> Laura
>
> P.S. Signed the lease yesterday. For pics (I'm going to be doing a
> lot of painting and stripping of wood):
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

Wow - that is a gorgeous apt! Spacious, & the details are great: esp. love
the floors, the paneling in the LR & DR, the glassed-in cupboards/bookcases
in the LR. Was it built in the late teens to maybe late 20's?? (I have the
same 3"x6" tiles in my bathroom as the guest bath. And I think I saw a
swing-door off the DR - leading to the kitchen or a pantry?)

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Cathy Friedmann
July 3rd 03, 04:49 AM
"Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
.net...
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:16:13 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
> > > Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
> > > their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
> > > evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
> > > freaks like ol' Joe there.
> >
> > Yeah, I read that little exchange there.
> >
> > All I can say is you'll fit right in here in NYC. heh heh heh.
> >
> >
> <snork> I was feeling grumpy. ;-)
>
> Laura
>
> P.S. Signed the lease yesterday. For pics (I'm going to be doing a
> lot of painting and stripping of wood):
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

Wow - that is a gorgeous apt! Spacious, & the details are great: esp. love
the floors, the paneling in the LR & DR, the glassed-in cupboards/bookcases
in the LR. Was it built in the late teens to maybe late 20's?? (I have the
same 3"x6" tiles in my bathroom as the guest bath. And I think I saw a
swing-door off the DR - leading to the kitchen or a pantry?)

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Tara
July 3rd 03, 06:20 AM
Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:16:13 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
>
>>>Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
>>>their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
>>>evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
>>>freaks like ol' Joe there.
>>
>>Yeah, I read that little exchange there.
>>
>>All I can say is you'll fit right in here in NYC. heh heh heh.
>>
>>
>
> <snork> I was feeling grumpy. ;-)

Hey....happens to the best of us. heh

> P.S. Signed the lease yesterday.

CONGRATS!!! That's got to be a relief.

> For pics (I'm going to be doing a
> lot of painting and stripping of wood):

Isn't your landlord going to paint it for you?

> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

COOL!

I notice you have a skylight. I'm only *slightly* jealous of that. (ok,
more than slightly). The fact that your hallway is bigger than my whole
studio is....well, my cats saw it and they'll be calling you tomorrow I
think. Something about switching loyalties....couldn't tell as they were
grumbling and giving me shifty eyed glances.

And, I've never heard of a server room?

Gorgeous place! I love prewar buildings.

I'm assuming the cats approved :-)

Tara

Tara
July 3rd 03, 06:20 AM
Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> circa Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:16:13 -0400, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Tara ) said,
>
>>>Some of the posters here are much more concerned with furthering
>>>their own agendas than with actually reading what is written and
>>>evaluating it on its own merits. And then there are the just-plain-
>>>freaks like ol' Joe there.
>>
>>Yeah, I read that little exchange there.
>>
>>All I can say is you'll fit right in here in NYC. heh heh heh.
>>
>>
>
> <snork> I was feeling grumpy. ;-)

Hey....happens to the best of us. heh

> P.S. Signed the lease yesterday.

CONGRATS!!! That's got to be a relief.

> For pics (I'm going to be doing a
> lot of painting and stripping of wood):

Isn't your landlord going to paint it for you?

> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

COOL!

I notice you have a skylight. I'm only *slightly* jealous of that. (ok,
more than slightly). The fact that your hallway is bigger than my whole
studio is....well, my cats saw it and they'll be calling you tomorrow I
think. Something about switching loyalties....couldn't tell as they were
grumbling and giving me shifty eyed glances.

And, I've never heard of a server room?

Gorgeous place! I love prewar buildings.

I'm assuming the cats approved :-)

Tara

Karen M.
July 3rd 03, 05:44 PM
"P.D." > wrote in message >...
> I tried to train my cats, and they are just stubborn, they won't scratch the
> furniture when I am home, but when I go out they do. I make a big issue
> over it because it destroys my stuff and make my home look like a slum.
>
> > I can't understand why people make such a big issue over cats and
> > scratching... why get a cat in the first place if you aren't prepared to
> > train it properly!
> >

P.D.,

I think you may be looking for a solution to the wrong problem - you
said the cats scratch when you go out. Is it possible they are
scratching out of displeasure for your leaving? Are you gone a lot?
Are they getting enough physical and mental stimulation when you are
home? Perhaps 20-30 minutes of hard play time before you leave would
tire them out and make them more inclined to sleep than scratch. Also,
there's something call "Feliway", a synthetic cat pheromone which
helps calm cats down. It could be they experience anxiety when you
leave and that is why they are scratching.

My cats (all taught this by my matriarch cat, Audrey) scratch on
furniture and rugs to show displeasure or gain attention. Total
negative attention getting! :)
And it works everytime, because I of course make a beeline for
whatever cat is doing it. Smart little suckers. Anyway, some food for
thought. I've never used Smart Paws myself, so I can't comment on
that. Personally, if you can nip the inappropriate scratching in the
bud, I think that would be the best way to go. Good luck!

Karen

Karen M.
July 3rd 03, 05:44 PM
"P.D." > wrote in message >...
> I tried to train my cats, and they are just stubborn, they won't scratch the
> furniture when I am home, but when I go out they do. I make a big issue
> over it because it destroys my stuff and make my home look like a slum.
>
> > I can't understand why people make such a big issue over cats and
> > scratching... why get a cat in the first place if you aren't prepared to
> > train it properly!
> >

P.D.,

I think you may be looking for a solution to the wrong problem - you
said the cats scratch when you go out. Is it possible they are
scratching out of displeasure for your leaving? Are you gone a lot?
Are they getting enough physical and mental stimulation when you are
home? Perhaps 20-30 minutes of hard play time before you leave would
tire them out and make them more inclined to sleep than scratch. Also,
there's something call "Feliway", a synthetic cat pheromone which
helps calm cats down. It could be they experience anxiety when you
leave and that is why they are scratching.

My cats (all taught this by my matriarch cat, Audrey) scratch on
furniture and rugs to show displeasure or gain attention. Total
negative attention getting! :)
And it works everytime, because I of course make a beeline for
whatever cat is doing it. Smart little suckers. Anyway, some food for
thought. I've never used Smart Paws myself, so I can't comment on
that. Personally, if you can nip the inappropriate scratching in the
bud, I think that would be the best way to go. Good luck!

Karen

Marilyn Ratcheson Stern
July 3rd 03, 06:13 PM
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:36:45 GMT, Laura A. Robinson
> wrote:

>P.S. Signed the lease yesterday. For pics (I'm going to be doing a
>lot of painting and stripping of wood):
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

That apartment is just beautiful! I'm sure your cats will be very
pleased. Good luck!

-Marilyn

Marilyn Ratcheson Stern
July 3rd 03, 06:13 PM
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:36:45 GMT, Laura A. Robinson
> wrote:

>P.S. Signed the lease yesterday. For pics (I'm going to be doing a
>lot of painting and stripping of wood):
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

That apartment is just beautiful! I'm sure your cats will be very
pleased. Good luck!

-Marilyn

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 3rd 03, 11:58 PM
"Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
.net...
>
> P.S. Signed the lease yesterday. For pics (I'm going to be doing a
> lot of painting and stripping of wood):
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

I missed a post or two. Where is this place and how can I move in there,
too? :-)! It's absolutely *beautiful* and has plenty of room for my
slightly pudgy cat and me (nudge, nudge, wink, wink ;-)).

rona

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 3rd 03, 11:58 PM
"Laura A. Robinson" > wrote in message
.net...
>
> P.S. Signed the lease yesterday. For pics (I'm going to be doing a
> lot of painting and stripping of wood):
>
> http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=geekwench&AID=870568&Pres=Y

I missed a post or two. Where is this place and how can I move in there,
too? :-)! It's absolutely *beautiful* and has plenty of room for my
slightly pudgy cat and me (nudge, nudge, wink, wink ;-)).

rona

Cathy Friedmann
July 5th 03, 12:55 AM
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...

> "Laura R." > wrote in message
> .net...
> > >
> > In New York, but the lease says it has to be just me and my beasties.
> > ;-)
> >
> > Laura
>
> Darn! New York is a bit far for me, but if you ever feel like adopting a
> new beastie, I'm free and I can cook!
>
> rona (dreaming of that perfect apartment...I wonder if it's near Zabar's
or
> Jacques Torres' chocolate shop...)

I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?

Cathy (upstate; way upstate)

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Cathy Friedmann
July 5th 03, 12:55 AM
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...

> "Laura R." > wrote in message
> .net...
> > >
> > In New York, but the lease says it has to be just me and my beasties.
> > ;-)
> >
> > Laura
>
> Darn! New York is a bit far for me, but if you ever feel like adopting a
> new beastie, I'm free and I can cook!
>
> rona (dreaming of that perfect apartment...I wonder if it's near Zabar's
or
> Jacques Torres' chocolate shop...)

I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?

Cathy (upstate; way upstate)

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 5th 03, 02:03 AM
"Cathy Friedmann" > wrote in message
...
>
> I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?
>
> Cathy (upstate; way upstate)
>
> --
> "Staccato signals of constant information..."
> ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
>
It's in Brooklyn near some bridge (not necessarily the Brooklyn Bridge,
though, I'm not sure which one it's near). See here:

http://www.jacquestorres.com/ourshoppe.html

I have not been there but people on rfc (rec.food.cooking) who have been
have raved about it. They especially raved about his pithiviers (I know I
spelled that incorrectly. It's some kind of almond pastry.).

Just to stay on topic for the group, my cat recently decided that I make an
excellent springboard when jumping to reach the windowsill above my bed.
First she jumps on my face because it's "in her way," then she jumps on my
back (or chest, depending on the situation) to help her gain height. Is
there no respect between cats and their owners? (tongue firmly planted in
cheek).

rona

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 5th 03, 02:03 AM
"Cathy Friedmann" > wrote in message
...
>
> I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?
>
> Cathy (upstate; way upstate)
>
> --
> "Staccato signals of constant information..."
> ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
>
It's in Brooklyn near some bridge (not necessarily the Brooklyn Bridge,
though, I'm not sure which one it's near). See here:

http://www.jacquestorres.com/ourshoppe.html

I have not been there but people on rfc (rec.food.cooking) who have been
have raved about it. They especially raved about his pithiviers (I know I
spelled that incorrectly. It's some kind of almond pastry.).

Just to stay on topic for the group, my cat recently decided that I make an
excellent springboard when jumping to reach the windowsill above my bed.
First she jumps on my face because it's "in her way," then she jumps on my
back (or chest, depending on the situation) to help her gain height. Is
there no respect between cats and their owners? (tongue firmly planted in
cheek).

rona

Cathy Friedmann
July 5th 03, 02:27 AM
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...
> "Cathy Friedmann" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?
> >
> > Cathy (upstate; way upstate)
> >
> It's in Brooklyn near some bridge (not necessarily the Brooklyn Bridge,
> though, I'm not sure which one it's near). See here:
>
> http://www.jacquestorres.com/ourshoppe.html
>
> I have not been there but people on rfc (rec.food.cooking) who have been
> have raved about it. They especially raved about his pithiviers (I know I
> spelled that incorrectly. It's some kind of almond pastry.).

Thank you! (It's near the Manhattan Bridge - one bridge up from the
Brooklyn Br.) I keep expecting to get over to the Brooklyn Heights
Esplanade one of these times when down in NYC, but haven't yet - this shop
is near there. And if not, I bookmarked the website.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
> Just to stay on topic for the group, my cat recently decided that I make
an
> excellent springboard when jumping to reach the windowsill above my bed.
> First she jumps on my face because it's "in her way," then she jumps on my
> back (or chest, depending on the situation) to help her gain height. Is
> there no respect between cats and their owners? (tongue firmly planted in
> cheek).
>
> rona
>
>

Cathy Friedmann
July 5th 03, 02:27 AM
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...
> "Cathy Friedmann" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?
> >
> > Cathy (upstate; way upstate)
> >
> It's in Brooklyn near some bridge (not necessarily the Brooklyn Bridge,
> though, I'm not sure which one it's near). See here:
>
> http://www.jacquestorres.com/ourshoppe.html
>
> I have not been there but people on rfc (rec.food.cooking) who have been
> have raved about it. They especially raved about his pithiviers (I know I
> spelled that incorrectly. It's some kind of almond pastry.).

Thank you! (It's near the Manhattan Bridge - one bridge up from the
Brooklyn Br.) I keep expecting to get over to the Brooklyn Heights
Esplanade one of these times when down in NYC, but haven't yet - this shop
is near there. And if not, I bookmarked the website.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
> Just to stay on topic for the group, my cat recently decided that I make
an
> excellent springboard when jumping to reach the windowsill above my bed.
> First she jumps on my face because it's "in her way," then she jumps on my
> back (or chest, depending on the situation) to help her gain height. Is
> there no respect between cats and their owners? (tongue firmly planted in
> cheek).
>
> rona
>
>

Tara
July 5th 03, 04:56 AM
Cathy Friedmann wrote:
> "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>"Laura R." > wrote in message
.net...
>>
>>>In New York, but the lease says it has to be just me and my beasties.
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>Laura
>>
>>Darn! New York is a bit far for me, but if you ever feel like adopting a
>>new beastie, I'm free and I can cook!
>>
>>rona (dreaming of that perfect apartment...I wonder if it's near Zabar's
>
> or
>
>>Jacques Torres' chocolate shop...)
>
>
> I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?

Zabar's is not nearby (if she moved where I think she did).

I don't know about Jaques Torres, but there *is* supposed to be an
insanely good chocolate nook on the Upper East Side. I try to stay
ignorant of the details as a survival mechanism. Its supposed to be amazing.

Tara

Tara
July 5th 03, 04:56 AM
Cathy Friedmann wrote:
> "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>"Laura R." > wrote in message
.net...
>>
>>>In New York, but the lease says it has to be just me and my beasties.
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>Laura
>>
>>Darn! New York is a bit far for me, but if you ever feel like adopting a
>>new beastie, I'm free and I can cook!
>>
>>rona (dreaming of that perfect apartment...I wonder if it's near Zabar's
>
> or
>
>>Jacques Torres' chocolate shop...)
>
>
> I know Zabar's, but where's Jacques Torres' chocolate shop, please?

Zabar's is not nearby (if she moved where I think she did).

I don't know about Jaques Torres, but there *is* supposed to be an
insanely good chocolate nook on the Upper East Side. I try to stay
ignorant of the details as a survival mechanism. Its supposed to be amazing.

Tara

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 5th 03, 06:37 AM
"Laura R." > wrote in message
.net...
> >
> Ah, in that case, I'm guessing that <3 miles is "near". :-)
>
> Laura

Near?!??!?!?! That's practically next door! You're in a dangerous position
out there! You'd better sublet to me, in order to prevent the gain of too
many pounds from overeating Jacques Torres chocolate. I am willing to
sacrifice myself to save you :-)! Plus chocolate is not good for cats, and
they may suffer from inhaling chocolate fumes. Have wind, will travel after
all!

rona :-)

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 5th 03, 06:37 AM
"Laura R." > wrote in message
.net...
> >
> Ah, in that case, I'm guessing that <3 miles is "near". :-)
>
> Laura

Near?!??!?!?! That's practically next door! You're in a dangerous position
out there! You'd better sublet to me, in order to prevent the gain of too
many pounds from overeating Jacques Torres chocolate. I am willing to
sacrifice myself to save you :-)! Plus chocolate is not good for cats, and
they may suffer from inhaling chocolate fumes. Have wind, will travel after
all!

rona :-)