I should feel honoured but I don't

[catsruleok]

Hi all,

I'm writing this while feeling very angry . The reason why will soon become clear.

As you know, I'm very keen on photographing my cats and have posted many of their pics on the
Internet. One site I use is Webshots. I know that when I post there I can only post photos that I
have taken. If I did otherwise, I would infringe American copyright law and if Webshots found out
about it, they would remove any pic that was not mine.

Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had removed one of my pics of Thalia
because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be honoured that someone thinks
one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but I'm not. I'm absolutely furious.
And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.

Whatsmore, Webshots have told me that if I breach copyright law *again*, they'll consider removing
all my albums from their site

Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope that all the info I can
send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll secure on my behalf redress
from the person (I really want to say b*** **d) who has told them that my pic is theirs.. If
Webshots aren't willing to do this, I don't know what, if anything I can do. Should this situation
arise, would any one of you be able and willing to offer me advice on what , if anything, I can do.

Many thanks for reading.

Love to you all.

Sheenah.

[Karen Chuplis]

Soothing thoughts and purrs this is ironed out easily and soon.

Karen

[Brenda Watkins]

"catsruleok" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing this while feeling very angry . The reason why will soon
become clear.
>
> As you know, I'm very keen on photographing my cats and have posted many
of their pics on the
> Internet. One site I use is Webshots. I know that when I post there I
can only post photos that I
> have taken. If I did otherwise, I would infringe American copyright law
and if Webshots found out
> about it, they would remove any pic that was not mine.
>
> Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had removed
one of my pics of Thalia
> because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be
honoured that someone thinks
> one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but I'm
not. I'm absolutely furious.
> And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.
>
> Whatsmore, Webshots have told me that if I breach copyright law *again*,
they'll consider removing
> all my albums from their site
>
> Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope
that all the info I can
> send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll
secure on my behalf redress
> from the person (I really want to say b*** **d) who has told them that my
pic is theirs.. If
> Webshots aren't willing to do this, I don't know what, if anything I can
do. Should this situation
> arise, would any one of you be able and willing to offer me advice on what
, if anything, I can do.
>
> Many thanks for reading.
>
> Love to you all.
>
> Sheenah.
>
>
>
I don't have any advice, Sheenah, but I'd certainly be willing to vouch for
your honesty!
Brenda

[Lois Reay]

"catsruleok" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing this while feeling very angry . The reason why will soon
become clear.
Whatsmore, Webshots have told me that if I breach copyright law *again*,
they'll consider removing
> all my albums from their site
>
> Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope
that all the info I can
> Sheenah.

I see guilty until proved innocent, that just doesn't seem fair and goes
against all the laws - do you have there some sort of community office where
you can get free advice (from a lawyer) we have them here.
Hope you get this resolved asap.
Purrs
Lois

[Victor M. Martinez]

catsruleok > wrote:
>Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope that all the info I can
>send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll secure on my behalf redress

I'm sorry, I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure the burden of proof is on the
accusing side under US law. You should not have to prove your innocense at all!

--
Victor M. Martinez

http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv

[fuga =^o^=]

I agree with Victor, I think it's their responsiblity to prove that your
picture is an infringement on someone's copyright.. I have to admit, I got
fed up with Webshots.

I hope you are able to resolve this shortly.

Hugs,

Fuga

[Mary]

>Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope
>that all the info I can
>send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll secure
>on my behalf redress
>from the person (I really want to say b*** **d)

Sounds like perhaps there is just a nasty jealous person out there trying to
cause you harm and distress by filing a false report. I doubt a real
photographer would confuse one of your picks with theirs. A photographer also
has to pay to copyright each photo if they truly want it legally copyrighted. I
know some pros. They will have to show their copyright to that specific pic in
order for it to be enforced. I doubt they can do that. Sounds like it's just a
jerk. I'm sure you can show other pics of your cat and the large original file.
That should satisfy them. It's not like you rented your cat out for a photo
shoot for someone else.

[Hopitus2]

I fail to understand the entire concept! If this website consists of pics of
cats (or other pets) who's to say *your* cat is not who he is? Example: BT
Rowdy, although possessing a blind and unattractive left eye, looks like a
billion other brown-colored mackeral tabbies; Sylvie is a doppelganger for
any other tuxedo (except for her multiple toes!) and many other cats look
the same......what is the rationale of this outfit to accuse you thus?



"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" > wrote in message
...
:
:
: Mary wrote:
: >
: > >Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I
hope
: > >that all the info I can
: > >send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll
secure
: > >on my behalf redress
: > >from the person (I really want to say b*** **d)
: >
: > Sounds like perhaps there is just a nasty jealous person out there
trying to
: > cause you harm and distress by filing a false report. I doubt a real
: > photographer would confuse one of your picks with theirs. A photographer
also
: > has to pay to copyright each photo if they truly want it legally
copyrighted. I
: > know some pros. They will have to show their copyright to that specific
pic in
: > order for it to be enforced. I doubt they can do that. Sounds like it's
just a
: > jerk. I'm sure you can show other pics of your cat and the large
original file.
: > That should satisfy them. It's not like you rented your cat out for a
photo
: > shoot for someone else.
:
: Don't you have the negative? (Or whatever substitutes for one in a
: digital camera?) It would be pretty hard to forge the original from
: which you uploaded the picture!

[LOL]

"catsruleok" > wrote in message >...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing this while feeling very angry . The reason why will soon become clear.
>
> As you know, I'm very keen on photographing my cats and have posted many of their pics on the
> Internet. One site I use is Webshots. I know that when I post there I can only post photos that I
> have taken. If I did otherwise, I would infringe American copyright law and if Webshots found out
> about it, they would remove any pic that was not mine.
>
> Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had removed one of my pics of Thalia
> because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be honoured that someone thinks
> one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but I'm not. I'm absolutely furious.
> And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.
>
> Whatsmore, Webshots have told me that if I breach copyright law *again*, they'll consider removing
> all my albums from their site
>
> Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope that all the info I can
> send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll secure on my behalf redress
> from the person (I really want to say b*** **d) who has told them that my pic is theirs.. If
> Webshots aren't willing to do this, I don't know what, if anything I can do. Should this situation
> arise, would any one of you be able and willing to offer me advice on what , if anything, I can do.
>
> Many thanks for reading.
>
> Love to you all.
>
> Sheenah.



I don't have any advice or any idea what to do, but can only imagine
your frustration. Mike is sending soothing purrs, and has instructed
me to start saving up the contents of the litterbox towards the time
when the culprit is revealed. I do hope you get satisfaction soon.

------
Krista

[Byron & Christine Burel]

Sheenah,
I'm so sorry you've had something stupid and petty like this happen. I am
sending major hugs and purrs from us and also Byron had some suggestions
that he emailed you.
love,
Christine

[catsruleok]

"catsruleok" > wrote in message ...
> Hi all,
>
> Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had removed one of my pics of
Thalia
> because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be honoured that someone thinks
> one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but I'm not. I'm absolutely
furious.
> And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.
>
<snip>
> Many thanks for reading.
>
> Love to you all.
>
> Sheenah.
>
Dear friends,

Thank you very much for all your marvellous messages of support. I truly appreciated each and every
one of them.

I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail from Webshots containing an
apology. The lady who wrote explained that after carrying
out investigations, they have discovered that a mistake had been made by one their staff.

As you can inagine, I'm greatly relieved not to have to pursue this matter further.

Thank you once again for your support.

Love

Sheenah

[polonca12000]

I'm so sorry to hear that. You have every right to be angry. I do hope
everything turns out fine for you.
Best wishes,
--
Polonca & Soncek

"catsruleok" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing this while feeling very angry . <snip>

[badwilson]

Geez, Sheenah, that really sucks! You take your pictures with a digital
camera, right? If not, then you have the negative to prove it. Otherwise,
you could send them the original large version straight off the camera, if
you still have it. If not, try sending them many pictures of Thalia, and
maybe some of you holding her. This is really ridiculous, I can't believe
they are doing this. I would demand an apology and maybe some kind of
compensation like a free year of their premier service, or free prints of
all your pic's or something.
--
Britta
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on Vino and "friends" album


"catsruleok" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm writing this while feeling very angry . The reason why will soon
become clear.
>
> As you know, I'm very keen on photographing my cats and have posted many
of their pics on the
> Internet. One site I use is Webshots. I know that when I post there I
can only post photos that I
> have taken. If I did otherwise, I would infringe American copyright law
and if Webshots found out
> about it, they would remove any pic that was not mine.
>
> Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had removed
one of my pics of Thalia
> because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be
honoured that someone thinks
> one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but I'm
not. I'm absolutely furious.
> And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.
>
> Whatsmore, Webshots have told me that if I breach copyright law *again*,
they'll consider removing
> all my albums from their site
>
> Webshots has told me that I can try to prove to them my innocence. I hope
that all the info I can
> send them will be enough to satisfy them. If it does, I hope they'll
secure on my behalf redress
> from the person (I really want to say b*** **d) who has told them that my
pic is theirs.. If
> Webshots aren't willing to do this, I don't know what, if anything I can
do. Should this situation
> arise, would any one of you be able and willing to offer me advice on what
, if anything, I can do.
>
> Many thanks for reading.
>
> Love to you all.
>
> Sheenah.
>
>
>

[bewtifulfreak]

catsruleok wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Thank you very much for all your marvellous messages of support. I
> truly appreciated each and every one of them.
>
> I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail
> from Webshots containing an apology. The lady who wrote explained
> that after carrying
> out investigations, they have discovered that a mistake had been made
> by one their staff.

Oh, Sheenah, that's *wonderful*! I can understand your relief and I'm VERY
glad they gave you an apology, you certainly deserved one!!!

I'm sorry you had to go through this, but very glad it's all been resolved
so quickly. :)

Hugs,
Ann

--

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak

[dsh-diva]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:59:49 GMT, "Yoj" > wrote:

>"catsruleok" > wrote in message
...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm writing this while feeling very angry . The reason why will soon
>become clear.
>>
>> As you know, I'm very keen on photographing my cats and have posted
>many of their pics on the
>> Internet. One site I use is Webshots. I know that when I post there
>I can only post photos that I
>> have taken. If I did otherwise, I would infringe American copyright
>law and if Webshots found out
>> about it, they would remove any pic that was not mine.
>>
>> Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had
>removed one of my pics of Thalia
>> because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be
>honoured that someone thinks
>> one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but
>I'm not. I'm absolutely furious.
>> And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.
>>
>>
What a situation!! I have no advice, just supportive purrs and wishes
for this to be resolved. I know we all have enjoyed your pictures of
Thalia that you have shared with us. Shame on them for doing this to
you!
Jennie, Xena and Callisto

[dsh-diva]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:57:22 +0100, "catsruleok"
> wrote:

>
>"catsruleok" > wrote in message ...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Today, I received from Webshots, an email telling me that they had removed one of my pics of
>Thalia
>> because by posting it, I *had* infringed copyright law I should be honoured that someone thinks
>> one of my photos good enough to want to claim as their own work but I'm not. I'm absolutely
>furious.
>> And if they're selling that photo, I'll be more than that.
>>
><snip>
>> Many thanks for reading.
>>
>> Love to you all.
>>
>> Sheenah.
>>
>Dear friends,
>
>Thank you very much for all your marvellous messages of support. I truly appreciated each and every
>one of them.
>
>I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail from Webshots containing an
>apology. The lady who wrote explained that after carrying
>out investigations, they have discovered that a mistake had been made by one their staff.
>
>As you can inagine, I'm greatly relieved not to have to pursue this matter further.
>
>Thank you once again for your support.
>
>Love
>
>Sheenah
>
What a relief. Sorry you had to go through all that!
Jennie, Xena and Callisto

[CK]

D. DeFrank wrote:

> Presuming you took pictures of your own cat, you should be able to show them
> other photos of the same cat, no? Particularly other photos in the same
> setting....to show you own cat, and setting. The fact that they are your
> photos should be clear then.
>

This sounds like good advice to me. That's what I'd do - take more pics
of the same cat in the same setting. Heck, I'd even invite them over to
meet the cat in question, as long as they'd pay their own airfare...

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Christine in Vantaa, Finland (Europe)
Email: christal63(at)yahoo(dot)com
Photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63

[Ginger-lyn Summer]

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:57:22 +0100, "catsruleok"
> wrote:

>Dear friends,
>
>Thank you very much for all your marvellous messages of support. I truly appreciated each and every
>one of them.
>
>I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail from Webshots containing an
>apology. The lady who wrote explained that after carrying
>out investigations, they have discovered that a mistake had been made by one their staff.
>
>As you can inagine, I'm greatly relieved not to have to pursue this matter further.
>
>Thank you once again for your support.
>
>Love
>
>Sheenah
>
>
So glad to hear this, and I hope you gave them heck!

Ginger-lyn

[Marina]

"catsruleok" > wrote
>
> I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail from
Webshots containing an
> apology. The lady who wrote explained that after carrying
> out investigations, they have discovered that a mistake had been made by
one their staff.


I'm so happy to hear this. So glad they realised it was their mistake, and
that they had the grace to apologize.

Hugs and Purrs,
Marina, Frank and Nikki

[Adrian]

catsruleok wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> Thank you very much for all your marvellous messages of support. I
> truly appreciated each and every one of them.
>
> I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail
> from Webshots containing an apology. The lady who wrote explained
> that after carrying out investigations, they have discovered that a
> mistake had been made by one their staff.
>
> As you can inagine, I'm greatly relieved not to have to pursue this
> matter further.
>
> Thank you once again for your support.
>
> Love
>
> Sheenah

I'm so glad things worked out, it feels really horrible to be accused of a
crime when you are completely innocent.
--
Adrian
A House Is Not A Home, Without A Cat.

[LOL]

"catsruleok" > wrote in message >...

> Dear friends,
>
> Thank you very much for all your marvellous messages of support. I truly appreciated each and every
> one of them.
>
> I am happy to tell you that this morning I have received an e:mail from Webshots containing an
> apology. The lady who wrote explained that after carrying
> out investigations, they have discovered that a mistake had been made by one their staff.
>
> As you can inagine, I'm greatly relieved not to have to pursue this matter further.
>
> Thank you once again for your support.
>
> Love
>
> Sheenah


I'm glad to hear it was just a mistake - that must be a relief.
------
Krista