Desperately Seeking Zeniquin

[MacCandace]

I also posted this on alt.med.veterinary.

I feel like a drug addict. I want to obtain Zenequin for my 17 year old cat.
He has mild CRF (most recently BUN 45 and creatinine 2.6, usually lower than
that but he was somewhat dehydrated at the time of his last vet visit on 9/18).
He repeatedly gets urinary tract infections. I know him far better than the
vet does, I can tell when he is getting ill. He becomes withdrawn, lethargic,
loses his appetite. This has happened countless times in the last 2 years. He
consistently always has either blood in his urine or the urine culture will
show bacteria. So, it is constantly costing me $200 to get bloodwork done when
I know for a fact that if he could be on abx all the time, he would not get
ill. He feels wonderful on abx. He is now on zeniquin 12.5mg, prescribed by
the vet, but when it runs out, he will get ill a few days later. Currently, he
is back to his old, active, chatty, hungry self. My vet is not willing to give
me abx prn. I am an adult, I have some medical knowledge, I'm a college
graduate, I can read on the internet. I know some vets will prescribe abx prn
for cats with CRF and chronic UTIs. I like my vet otherwise, I've spent a ton
of $$ with him, and I don't feel like starting all over with someone new. The
other day he finally said he *might* consider pulse dosing but, actually, I
don't think pulse dosing would be enough. I want the cat on a low dose of abx
permanently for maintenance. I understand resistance, etc., but he's 17 and he
only feels good if he's on them so why should he have to feel bad and die
because I can't get some abx? I see now that Augmentin (same as Clavamox) can
now be obtained at some online RXs without a prescription but I want Zeniquin
and I can't find that anywhere. I suppose I can go back to Augmentin if I must
as he tolerates that fairly well, too, but I am desperately seeking Zenequin.
What's the big deal and can someone tell me where I can get it? He also has
hyperthyroidism and is being treated successfully with tapazole for the last
year and a half. He does just fine on abx.


Candace
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[Liz]

That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

[Liz]

That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

[Liz]

That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

[Steve Crane]

(Liz) wrote in message >...
> That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
> immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
> were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
> canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
> snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
> supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
> this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

[Steve Crane]

(Liz) wrote in message >...
> That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
> immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
> were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
> canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
> snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
> supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
> this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

[Steve Crane]

(Liz) wrote in message >...
> That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
> immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
> were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
> canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
> snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
> supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
> this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?

Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
treatment for the same.

[MacCandace]

<< That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?
>>

I thought the recurring infections was because his urine is dilute. Yes, I
have tried the online drugstores. They sell augmentin (same as clavamox) but
not zeniquin. Aside from the above diet probably not being good for a CRF cat,
he wouldn't eat it. He's one cat who has never liked human food including any
sort of raw meat. He eats Hill's g/d which was recommended by both Steve Crane
(my cats already ate Hill's prescription foods so it wasn't Steve who convinced
me to go Hill's) and Phil Pass. He won't eat k/d. He eats Pro Plan, Nutro,
and also Fancy Feast because he likes it and it's important that he eats. I am
trying to supplement his diet with vitamins but he fights it whether I give it
to him in a tube, right into his mouth, or mixed into his food.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

[MacCandace]

<< That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?
>>

I thought the recurring infections was because his urine is dilute. Yes, I
have tried the online drugstores. They sell augmentin (same as clavamox) but
not zeniquin. Aside from the above diet probably not being good for a CRF cat,
he wouldn't eat it. He's one cat who has never liked human food including any
sort of raw meat. He eats Hill's g/d which was recommended by both Steve Crane
(my cats already ate Hill's prescription foods so it wasn't Steve who convinced
me to go Hill's) and Phil Pass. He won't eat k/d. He eats Pro Plan, Nutro,
and also Fancy Feast because he likes it and it's important that he eats. I am
trying to supplement his diet with vitamins but he fights it whether I give it
to him in a tube, right into his mouth, or mixed into his food.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

[MacCandace]

<< That´s one expensive antibiotic! Recurring infections is a sign of
immune weakness, alkaline urine pH, and not enough urination. If he
were my cat, I would try to solve the problem with a high quality
canned diet (e.g. Wellness, Felidae, Wysong etc.), give him a raw
snack daily (beef or chicken), give him raw liver once a week and
supplement his diet with B vitamins. I would only resort to abx if
this didn´t work. Have you tried the online drugstores?
>>

I thought the recurring infections was because his urine is dilute. Yes, I
have tried the online drugstores. They sell augmentin (same as clavamox) but
not zeniquin. Aside from the above diet probably not being good for a CRF cat,
he wouldn't eat it. He's one cat who has never liked human food including any
sort of raw meat. He eats Hill's g/d which was recommended by both Steve Crane
(my cats already ate Hill's prescription foods so it wasn't Steve who convinced
me to go Hill's) and Phil Pass. He won't eat k/d. He eats Pro Plan, Nutro,
and also Fancy Feast because he likes it and it's important that he eats. I am
trying to supplement his diet with vitamins but he fights it whether I give it
to him in a tube, right into his mouth, or mixed into his food.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

[Liz]

> Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
> disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
> foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
> for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
> range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
> 6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
> treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before. If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage. And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it), it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis. To back this up,
some CRF cats on kidney diets and phosphate binders still present
hyperphosphataemia. So, where´s the phosphorus coming from? That
excess phosphurus is coming from the bones. 80% of cats with CRF
suffer from metabolic acidosis and that should be the primary concern.
Furthermore, metabolic acidosis is much more harmful to kidneys than
hyperphosphataemia. And finally, Hill´s *recommends* giving high
quality meat to CRF cats and the meat they recommend is raw beef
liver.

High creatine and BUN are also caused by metabolic acidosis.

[Liz]

> Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
> disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
> foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
> for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
> range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
> 6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
> treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before. If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage. And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it), it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis. To back this up,
some CRF cats on kidney diets and phosphate binders still present
hyperphosphataemia. So, where´s the phosphorus coming from? That
excess phosphurus is coming from the bones. 80% of cats with CRF
suffer from metabolic acidosis and that should be the primary concern.
Furthermore, metabolic acidosis is much more harmful to kidneys than
hyperphosphataemia. And finally, Hill´s *recommends* giving high
quality meat to CRF cats and the meat they recommend is raw beef
liver.

High creatine and BUN are also caused by metabolic acidosis.

[Liz]

> Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
> disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
> foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
> for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
> range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
> 6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
> treatment for the same.

We´ve gone over this before. If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage. And in my opinion
(and I bet my life on it), it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis. To back this up,
some CRF cats on kidney diets and phosphate binders still present
hyperphosphataemia. So, where´s the phosphorus coming from? That
excess phosphurus is coming from the bones. 80% of cats with CRF
suffer from metabolic acidosis and that should be the primary concern.
Furthermore, metabolic acidosis is much more harmful to kidneys than
hyperphosphataemia. And finally, Hill´s *recommends* giving high
quality meat to CRF cats and the meat they recommend is raw beef
liver.

High creatine and BUN are also caused by metabolic acidosis.

[Liz]

I did a Google search on Zeniquim and got many online drugstores
selling the product. Here´s one:

http://www.destinationrx.com/petprescriptions/refine.asp?name=Zeniquin

The B vitamins are also sold in tablets, here I find them in very
small tablets, almost the size of a pill. My cats swollow it with not
resistance. I wonder if you can find it that small there? There´s also
the liquid form that you can try. Cats with CRF should always be given
extra Bs.

[Liz]

I did a Google search on Zeniquim and got many online drugstores
selling the product. Here´s one:

http://www.destinationrx.com/petprescriptions/refine.asp?name=Zeniquin

The B vitamins are also sold in tablets, here I find them in very
small tablets, almost the size of a pill. My cats swollow it with not
resistance. I wonder if you can find it that small there? There´s also
the liquid form that you can try. Cats with CRF should always be given
extra Bs.

[Liz]

I did a Google search on Zeniquim and got many online drugstores
selling the product. Here´s one:

http://www.destinationrx.com/petprescriptions/refine.asp?name=Zeniquin

The B vitamins are also sold in tablets, here I find them in very
small tablets, almost the size of a pill. My cats swollow it with not
resistance. I wonder if you can find it that small there? There´s also
the liquid form that you can try. Cats with CRF should always be given
extra Bs.

[Phil P.]

"Liz" > wrote in message
m...
> > Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
> > disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
> > foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
> > for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
> > range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
> > 6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
> > treatment for the same.
>
> We´ve gone over this before.

So? Do you really think rational people will take your theory over the
recommendations of ACVIM Diplomates and just about the entire veterinary
community??? LOL!

....and cats fed reduced phosphorus diets *still* survive *twice* as long
(581 days).than cats fed normal phosphorus diets (252 days).


If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
> owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
> there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
> withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage.

..So the overwhelming vast majority of vets and ACVIM Diplomates that
recommend reducing phosphorus intake are wrong... and you're right???? LOL!
Just like your theory for dissolving calcium oxalate uroliths in cats with
*water*!!! ROTFL!!!

Studies in cats with CRF have shown that normal dietary phosphorus intake is
associated with microscopic renal mineralization and fibrosis and that these
effects are prevented by decreasing the dietary phosphorus intake. "You*
even cited the study! LOL!

And in my opinion
> (and I bet my life on it),

I'm gonna hold you to that!

it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
> causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis.

Hyperphosphatemia occurs in animals with CRF as a result of decreased renal
excretion If dietary phosphorus intake remains constant, a decline in GFR
leads to phosphorus retention and ultimately hyperphosphatemia.

..Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

[Phil P.]

"Liz" > wrote in message
m...
> > Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
> > disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
> > foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
> > for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
> > range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
> > 6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
> > treatment for the same.
>
> We´ve gone over this before.

So? Do you really think rational people will take your theory over the
recommendations of ACVIM Diplomates and just about the entire veterinary
community??? LOL!

....and cats fed reduced phosphorus diets *still* survive *twice* as long
(581 days).than cats fed normal phosphorus diets (252 days).


If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
> owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
> there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
> withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage.

..So the overwhelming vast majority of vets and ACVIM Diplomates that
recommend reducing phosphorus intake are wrong... and you're right???? LOL!
Just like your theory for dissolving calcium oxalate uroliths in cats with
*water*!!! ROTFL!!!

Studies in cats with CRF have shown that normal dietary phosphorus intake is
associated with microscopic renal mineralization and fibrosis and that these
effects are prevented by decreasing the dietary phosphorus intake. "You*
even cited the study! LOL!

And in my opinion
> (and I bet my life on it),

I'm gonna hold you to that!

it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
> causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis.

Hyperphosphatemia occurs in animals with CRF as a result of decreased renal
excretion If dietary phosphorus intake remains constant, a decline in GFR
leads to phosphorus retention and ultimately hyperphosphatemia.

..Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

[Phil P.]

"Liz" > wrote in message
m...
> > Not a good idea. The primary culprit in speeding the fatal end of the
> > disease is high levels of phosphorus. The addition of the meats and
> > foods above would push phos levels *way* beyond what is appropriate
> > for a CRF cat in ANY condition. The phos levels on the suggested foods
> > range from 4-8 times the proper level for a CRF kitty. Urine pH of
> > 6.8-7.2 is APPROPRIATE for a CRF kitty and is part of the proper
> > treatment for the same.
>
> We´ve gone over this before.

So? Do you really think rational people will take your theory over the
recommendations of ACVIM Diplomates and just about the entire veterinary
community??? LOL!

....and cats fed reduced phosphorus diets *still* survive *twice* as long
(581 days).than cats fed normal phosphorus diets (252 days).


If the cat has hyperphosphataemia the
> owner should worry about phosphate content in the diet, otherwise,
> there´s no reason to worry. As long as blood level of phosphorus is
> withing limits, it will not add to kidney damage.

..So the overwhelming vast majority of vets and ACVIM Diplomates that
recommend reducing phosphorus intake are wrong... and you're right???? LOL!
Just like your theory for dissolving calcium oxalate uroliths in cats with
*water*!!! ROTFL!!!

Studies in cats with CRF have shown that normal dietary phosphorus intake is
associated with microscopic renal mineralization and fibrosis and that these
effects are prevented by decreasing the dietary phosphorus intake. "You*
even cited the study! LOL!

And in my opinion
> (and I bet my life on it),

I'm gonna hold you to that!

it´s not the phosphorus in the diet that
> causes hyperphosphataemia but metabolic acidosis.

Hyperphosphatemia occurs in animals with CRF as a result of decreased renal
excretion If dietary phosphorus intake remains constant, a decline in GFR
leads to phosphorus retention and ultimately hyperphosphatemia.

..Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

[MacCandace]

<< http://www.destinationrx.com/petprescriptions/refine.asp?name=Zeniquin >>

Thank you. Unfortunately, it says "prescription required." That's where I
have a problem. I can get zeniquin readily with a prescription; I want to
obtain it *without* a prescription.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

[MacCandace]

<< http://www.destinationrx.com/petprescriptions/refine.asp?name=Zeniquin >>

Thank you. Unfortunately, it says "prescription required." That's where I
have a problem. I can get zeniquin readily with a prescription; I want to
obtain it *without* a prescription.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

[MacCandace]

<< http://www.destinationrx.com/petprescriptions/refine.asp?name=Zeniquin >>

Thank you. Unfortunately, it says "prescription required." That's where I
have a problem. I can get zeniquin readily with a prescription; I want to
obtain it *without* a prescription.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

[Liz]

> .Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
> tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

I´m still alive. You have already showed me how much you don´t
understand of the things you read and the things you copy so I won´t
even bother.

[Liz]

> .Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
> tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

I´m still alive. You have already showed me how much you don´t
understand of the things you read and the things you copy so I won´t
even bother.

[Liz]

> .Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
> tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.

I´m still alive. You have already showed me how much you don´t
understand of the things you read and the things you copy so I won´t
even bother.

[Phil P.]

"Liz" > wrote in message
om...
> > .Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
> > tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.
>
> I´m still alive.

Tough break for cats.. Its not too late for you to make tomorrow's column...


You have already showed me how much you don´t
> understand of the things you read

You're right! I don't understand your utterly stupid and asinine delusions
that are in direct opposition to mainstream veterinary practice. LOL! I
think you're a nut-case and a clear and present danger to cats. I'd rather
be as "stupid" as I am than as "smart" as you, any day! ROTFL!

so I won´t
> even bother.

Great! I didn't want another one of your asinine/convoluted/deluded
explanations, anyway..

Here's a thought: Why don't you enlighten the American College of
Veterinary Internal Medicine and the rest of the veterinary medical
community with your backwoods "brilliance"? I'm sure they'd be honored to
be enlightened by someone of your stature... and I'm also sure they'd be
eternally grateful to you for pointing out all of the errors they were
taught by their professors and ACVIM Diplomates! LOL! Maybe in return for
the laughs they'll send you a few bucks to help you feed your cats!
ROTFLMAO!

I tremble at the thought of how many cats died of acute renal failure
from your asinine delusion, because their owners were waiting for their
cats' calcium oxalate uroliths to dissolve.... Now, you're trying to
minimize
the potential dangers of high-phosphorus intake because the diets you
promote are high in phosphorus. Your agenda is obviously more important to
you than the cats themselves.

Stick to your chemistry set and test tubes... and stay the hell away from
real live cats before your utterly stupid and dangerous advice kills some
cats... if it hasn't already.

[Phil P.]

"Liz" > wrote in message
om...
> > .Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
> > tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.
>
> I´m still alive.

Tough break for cats.. Its not too late for you to make tomorrow's column...


You have already showed me how much you don´t
> understand of the things you read

You're right! I don't understand your utterly stupid and asinine delusions
that are in direct opposition to mainstream veterinary practice. LOL! I
think you're a nut-case and a clear and present danger to cats. I'd rather
be as "stupid" as I am than as "smart" as you, any day! ROTFL!

so I won´t
> even bother.

Great! I didn't want another one of your asinine/convoluted/deluded
explanations, anyway..

Here's a thought: Why don't you enlighten the American College of
Veterinary Internal Medicine and the rest of the veterinary medical
community with your backwoods "brilliance"? I'm sure they'd be honored to
be enlightened by someone of your stature... and I'm also sure they'd be
eternally grateful to you for pointing out all of the errors they were
taught by their professors and ACVIM Diplomates! LOL! Maybe in return for
the laughs they'll send you a few bucks to help you feed your cats!
ROTFLMAO!

I tremble at the thought of how many cats died of acute renal failure
from your asinine delusion, because their owners were waiting for their
cats' calcium oxalate uroliths to dissolve.... Now, you're trying to
minimize
the potential dangers of high-phosphorus intake because the diets you
promote are high in phosphorus. Your agenda is obviously more important to
you than the cats themselves.

Stick to your chemistry set and test tubes... and stay the hell away from
real live cats before your utterly stupid and dangerous advice kills some
cats... if it hasn't already.

[Phil P.]

"Liz" > wrote in message
om...
> > .Remember your bet! I'll expect to see your name in the obituary column
> > tomorrow. The world for cats will be a better and safer place.
>
> I´m still alive.

Tough break for cats.. Its not too late for you to make tomorrow's column...


You have already showed me how much you don´t
> understand of the things you read

You're right! I don't understand your utterly stupid and asinine delusions
that are in direct opposition to mainstream veterinary practice. LOL! I
think you're a nut-case and a clear and present danger to cats. I'd rather
be as "stupid" as I am than as "smart" as you, any day! ROTFL!

so I won´t
> even bother.

Great! I didn't want another one of your asinine/convoluted/deluded
explanations, anyway..

Here's a thought: Why don't you enlighten the American College of
Veterinary Internal Medicine and the rest of the veterinary medical
community with your backwoods "brilliance"? I'm sure they'd be honored to
be enlightened by someone of your stature... and I'm also sure they'd be
eternally grateful to you for pointing out all of the errors they were
taught by their professors and ACVIM Diplomates! LOL! Maybe in return for
the laughs they'll send you a few bucks to help you feed your cats!
ROTFLMAO!

I tremble at the thought of how many cats died of acute renal failure
from your asinine delusion, because their owners were waiting for their
cats' calcium oxalate uroliths to dissolve.... Now, you're trying to
minimize
the potential dangers of high-phosphorus intake because the diets you
promote are high in phosphorus. Your agenda is obviously more important to
you than the cats themselves.

Stick to your chemistry set and test tubes... and stay the hell away from
real live cats before your utterly stupid and dangerous advice kills some
cats... if it hasn't already.