Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the bad karma built up of many years.

[The Smiths]

I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
animal suffer, even humans.

I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
a natural enemy.

The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
animal farm later.

Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
these many years.

Ken

[CliffB]

It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM (unless they start showing
the mauling tape in the S&R theatre nightly to the morbidly curious Bread
and Circuses tourist crowd.) I wonder what they'll do with the Tiger viewing
area at that one entrance to the Casino. Steakhouse?


in article , The Smiths at
wrote on 10/7/03 6:02 PM:

> I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> animal suffer, even humans.
>
> I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> a natural enemy.
>
> The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> animal farm later.
>
> Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> these many years.
>
> Ken

[CliffB]

It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM (unless they start showing
the mauling tape in the S&R theatre nightly to the morbidly curious Bread
and Circuses tourist crowd.) I wonder what they'll do with the Tiger viewing
area at that one entrance to the Casino. Steakhouse?


in article , The Smiths at
wrote on 10/7/03 6:02 PM:

> I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> animal suffer, even humans.
>
> I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> a natural enemy.
>
> The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> animal farm later.
>
> Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> these many years.
>
> Ken

[njs]

"The Smiths" > wrote in message
om...
> I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> animal suffer, even humans.
>
> I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> a natural enemy.
>
> The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> animal farm later.
>
> Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> these many years.
>
> Ken

they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
couple hundred people forever, for god's sake. They got 10 days' severance.
The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
to them. Calm down.

[njs]

"The Smiths" > wrote in message
om...
> I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> animal suffer, even humans.
>
> I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> a natural enemy.
>
> The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> animal farm later.
>
> Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> these many years.
>
> Ken

they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
couple hundred people forever, for god's sake. They got 10 days' severance.
The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
to them. Calm down.

[PJ DiSanti]

Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?

PJ

--


"If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal." - Unknown

"Nothing can confound
A wise man more than laughter from a dunce."
- Lord Byron

"There is no subject so old that something new cannot be said about it." -
Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky





"CliffB" > wrote in message
...
> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM (unless they start
showing
> the mauling tape in the S&R theatre nightly to the morbidly curious Bread
> and Circuses tourist crowd.) I wonder what they'll do with the Tiger
viewing
> area at that one entrance to the Casino. Steakhouse?
>
>
> in article , The Smiths at
> wrote on 10/7/03 6:02 PM:
>
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>

[PJ DiSanti]

Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?

PJ

--


"If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal." - Unknown

"Nothing can confound
A wise man more than laughter from a dunce."
- Lord Byron

"There is no subject so old that something new cannot be said about it." -
Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky





"CliffB" > wrote in message
...
> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM (unless they start
showing
> the mauling tape in the S&R theatre nightly to the morbidly curious Bread
> and Circuses tourist crowd.) I wonder what they'll do with the Tiger
viewing
> area at that one entrance to the Casino. Steakhouse?
>
>
> in article , The Smiths at
> wrote on 10/7/03 6:02 PM:
>
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>

[otter]

> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM

Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
R show was just a draw.

Gloria

[otter]

> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM

Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
R show was just a draw.

Gloria

[Ollie North]

"njs" > wrote in message et>...
> "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
> cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
> them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
> couple hundred people forever, for god's sake. They got 10 days' severance.
> The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
> kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
> to them. Calm down.

Thats show biz...

Ollie

Semper "Biting off more than I can" FI

[Ollie North]

"njs" > wrote in message et>...
> "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
> cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
> them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
> couple hundred people forever, for god's sake. They got 10 days' severance.
> The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
> kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
> to them. Calm down.

Thats show biz...

Ollie

Semper "Biting off more than I can" FI

[MacCandace]

<< they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
have to retire. >>

From what I've read and heard, Roy has had numerous strokes since the attack
and is now paralyzed. He and Siegfried had a promise to each other that the
show would not go on if one of them was no longer able so apparently it is a
given that the show is history. I feel bad for Roy, also, but also think that
animals like that should not have to live under those circumstances despite
being "well cared for." They're wild and should not live in that sort of
captivity. I hope they are all able to be placed in zoos and/or wildlife
parks. 240 people are losing their jobs as a result of this. How many animals
are involved, does anyone know?

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[MacCandace]

<< they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
have to retire. >>

From what I've read and heard, Roy has had numerous strokes since the attack
and is now paralyzed. He and Siegfried had a promise to each other that the
show would not go on if one of them was no longer able so apparently it is a
given that the show is history. I feel bad for Roy, also, but also think that
animals like that should not have to live under those circumstances despite
being "well cared for." They're wild and should not live in that sort of
captivity. I hope they are all able to be placed in zoos and/or wildlife
parks. 240 people are losing their jobs as a result of this. How many animals
are involved, does anyone know?

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[Philip ®]

In om,
The Smiths > being of bellicose mind
posted:
>snip<
>
> Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told
> it was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and
> find other jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision
> since R is fighting for his life) after all the money S&R have
> made off their cattle lo these many years.
>
> Ken

The "business" end of the Ziegfield and Roy show is run like a ....
business. It is not a welfare program. When the income stream is
curtailed, you quickly curtail payroll as that is your largest
expense as an employer. -Better- to tell the people to get other
employment in the short term than to keep them in suspense. If the
show resumes, those people can always be rehired if the old employees
wish to return.
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

[Philip ®]

In om,
The Smiths > being of bellicose mind
posted:
>snip<
>
> Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told
> it was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and
> find other jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision
> since R is fighting for his life) after all the money S&R have
> made off their cattle lo these many years.
>
> Ken

The "business" end of the Ziegfield and Roy show is run like a ....
business. It is not a welfare program. When the income stream is
curtailed, you quickly curtail payroll as that is your largest
expense as an employer. -Better- to tell the people to get other
employment in the short term than to keep them in suspense. If the
show resumes, those people can always be rehired if the old employees
wish to return.
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

[Philip ®]

In ink.net,
njs > being of bellicose mind posted:
> "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They
> > were in the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the
> > way to instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted
> > dependence on a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have
> > been used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will
> > become animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were
> > told it was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it
> > and find other jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his
> > decision since R is fighting for his life) after all the money
> > S&R have made off their cattle lo these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury,
> which may not cause him to die, but they probably have enough info
> to know that he will have to retire. Telling the people to find
> other jobs is kinder than telling them to hang on and THEn telling
> them months from now. They can't pay a couple hundred people
> forever, for god's sake. They got 10 days' severance. The
> situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in
> that kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel
> already offered jobs to them. Calm down.

Agreed.
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

[Philip ®]

In ink.net,
njs > being of bellicose mind posted:
> "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They
> > were in the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the
> > way to instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted
> > dependence on a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have
> > been used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will
> > become animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were
> > told it was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it
> > and find other jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his
> > decision since R is fighting for his life) after all the money
> > S&R have made off their cattle lo these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury,
> which may not cause him to die, but they probably have enough info
> to know that he will have to retire. Telling the people to find
> other jobs is kinder than telling them to hang on and THEn telling
> them months from now. They can't pay a couple hundred people
> forever, for god's sake. They got 10 days' severance. The
> situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in
> that kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel
> already offered jobs to them. Calm down.

Agreed.
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

[Yngver]

(MacCandace) wrote:

>They're wild and should not live in that sort of
>captivity.

I hope they are all able to be placed in zoos and/or wildlife
>parks.

White tigers are abnormal and not generally wanted by zoos--except to put in a
cage to bring in more people to pay to gape at them. I'm not sure another big
cat habitat or wildlife park would be any better than the habitat and ranch the
white tigers live in now. In any case, I would think that if Roy lives, he will
not want to give up his beloved tigers.

240 people are losing their jobs as a result of this. How many
>animals
>are involved, does anyone know?

CNN reported that S&R have 63 white tigers and lions. They have other animals
as well. But I don't see why they would get rid of them. I'm sure S&R have
plenty of money to support their ranch and animals even if they never perform
again.

[Yngver]

(MacCandace) wrote:

>They're wild and should not live in that sort of
>captivity.

I hope they are all able to be placed in zoos and/or wildlife
>parks.

White tigers are abnormal and not generally wanted by zoos--except to put in a
cage to bring in more people to pay to gape at them. I'm not sure another big
cat habitat or wildlife park would be any better than the habitat and ranch the
white tigers live in now. In any case, I would think that if Roy lives, he will
not want to give up his beloved tigers.

240 people are losing their jobs as a result of this. How many
>animals
>are involved, does anyone know?

CNN reported that S&R have 63 white tigers and lions. They have other animals
as well. But I don't see why they would get rid of them. I'm sure S&R have
plenty of money to support their ranch and animals even if they never perform
again.

[Cathy Friedmann]

"MacCandace" > wrote in message
...
> << they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which
may not
> cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> have to retire. >>
>
> From what I've read and heard, Roy has had numerous strokes since the
attack
> and is now paralyzed. He and Siegfried had a promise to each other that
the
> show would not go on if one of them was no longer able so apparently it is
a
> given that the show is history. I feel bad for Roy, also, but also think
that
> animals like that should not have to live under those circumstances
despite
> being "well cared for." They're wild and should not live in that sort of
> captivity. I hope they are all able to be placed in zoos and/or wildlife
> parks.

Except, as I understand it, the living conditions for their tigers (& other
animals) are way better than zoos can afford/provide. Perhaps even wildlife
parks? Apparently, as their present habitats are set up, it's really la
creme de la creme. If their current living conditions & care can be kept up
to snuff, I think - from what I know - that it'd be better to keep them in
their present habitat(s).

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

240 people are losing their jobs as a result of this. How many animals
> are involved, does anyone know?
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
>
> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace
>
> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye
other
> than human." (Loren Eisely)

[Cathy Friedmann]

"MacCandace" > wrote in message
...
> << they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which
may not
> cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> have to retire. >>
>
> From what I've read and heard, Roy has had numerous strokes since the
attack
> and is now paralyzed. He and Siegfried had a promise to each other that
the
> show would not go on if one of them was no longer able so apparently it is
a
> given that the show is history. I feel bad for Roy, also, but also think
that
> animals like that should not have to live under those circumstances
despite
> being "well cared for." They're wild and should not live in that sort of
> captivity. I hope they are all able to be placed in zoos and/or wildlife
> parks.

Except, as I understand it, the living conditions for their tigers (& other
animals) are way better than zoos can afford/provide. Perhaps even wildlife
parks? Apparently, as their present habitats are set up, it's really la
creme de la creme. If their current living conditions & care can be kept up
to snuff, I think - from what I know - that it'd be better to keep them in
their present habitat(s).

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

240 people are losing their jobs as a result of this. How many animals
> are involved, does anyone know?
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
>
> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace
>
> "One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye
other
> than human." (Loren Eisely)

[The Smiths]

"njs" > wrote in message et>...
> "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
> cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
> them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
> couple hundred people forever, for god's sake.

Oh, my word! I never knew that the supporting cast was in the
hundreds. All along one was given the impression that it was just S&R
who were doing all the work. And the loss of one person is going to
cause the show to be cancelled? So were the hundreds in the
supporting cast doing nothing? Or alot.

Sounds like they were treated throughout the years like the animals in
the show. Shabbily.


> They got 10 days' severance.
> The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
> kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
> to them.

> Calm down.

Like Kathy says.... **** off!

Ken

[The Smiths]

"njs" > wrote in message et>...
> "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > animal suffer, even humans.
> >
> > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > a natural enemy.
> >
> > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > animal farm later.
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
> cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
> them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
> couple hundred people forever, for god's sake.

Oh, my word! I never knew that the supporting cast was in the
hundreds. All along one was given the impression that it was just S&R
who were doing all the work. And the loss of one person is going to
cause the show to be cancelled? So were the hundreds in the
supporting cast doing nothing? Or alot.

Sounds like they were treated throughout the years like the animals in
the show. Shabbily.


> They got 10 days' severance.
> The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
> kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
> to them.

> Calm down.

Like Kathy says.... **** off!

Ken

[The Smiths]

"Philip ®" > wrote in message et>...
> In om,
> The Smiths > being of bellicose mind
> posted:
> >snip<
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told
> > it was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and
> > find other jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision
> > since R is fighting for his life) after all the money S&R have
> > made off their cattle lo these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> The "business" end of the Ziegfield and Roy show is run like a ....
> business. It is not a welfare program. When the income stream is
> curtailed, you quickly curtail payroll as that is your largest
> expense as an employer. -Better- to tell the people to get other
> employment in the short term than to keep them in suspense. If the
> show resumes, those people can always be rehired if the old employees
> wish to return.

Now we are glad that Roy got hurt and am sorry that Siegfried didn't
have to join him in the hospital. I am sure S has gone by to tuck R
in at night though.

Sweet little biatches those 2 are.

Ken AND Kathy

[The Smiths]

"Philip ®" > wrote in message et>...
> In om,
> The Smiths > being of bellicose mind
> posted:
> >snip<
> >
> > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told
> > it was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and
> > find other jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision
> > since R is fighting for his life) after all the money S&R have
> > made off their cattle lo these many years.
> >
> > Ken
>
> The "business" end of the Ziegfield and Roy show is run like a ....
> business. It is not a welfare program. When the income stream is
> curtailed, you quickly curtail payroll as that is your largest
> expense as an employer. -Better- to tell the people to get other
> employment in the short term than to keep them in suspense. If the
> show resumes, those people can always be rehired if the old employees
> wish to return.

Now we are glad that Roy got hurt and am sorry that Siegfried didn't
have to join him in the hospital. I am sure S has gone by to tuck R
in at night though.

Sweet little biatches those 2 are.

Ken AND Kathy

[FeAudrey]

In article >, says...
>
>
>
>
>> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
>
>Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>R show was just a draw.


Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
the customers?

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[FeAudrey]

In article >, says...
>
>
>
>
>> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
>
>Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>R show was just a draw.


Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
the customers?

--
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[Agua Girl]

"FeAudrey" > wrote in message
. com...
> In article >, says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
> >
> >Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S
&
> >R show was just a draw.
>
>
> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing
in
> the customers?

Uhhh...have you ever been to Las Vegas?? Really all it takes is a
mechanical volcano to draw people, or a really great bar, or a craps
tournament, or Wayne Newton, or the best buffett, or free mardi gras
beads, or an indoor high wire act...or......
I am sure S and R were a big draw but they can be replaced.

AG

[Agua Girl]

"FeAudrey" > wrote in message
. com...
> In article >, says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
> >
> >Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S
&
> >R show was just a draw.
>
>
> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing
in
> the customers?

Uhhh...have you ever been to Las Vegas?? Really all it takes is a
mechanical volcano to draw people, or a really great bar, or a craps
tournament, or Wayne Newton, or the best buffett, or free mardi gras
beads, or an indoor high wire act...or......
I am sure S and R were a big draw but they can be replaced.

AG

[PJ DiSanti]

Yeah!!! I posted this in another thread but it really belongs here...

"I'll be performing at the Mirage for Christmas, they are letting me cook
and consume the tiger that mauled Roy, Live ONSTAGE! We will kill it, cook
it and I promise it will be a rare treat, blood rare."

So come on out and see me eat some pussy!

PJ
--


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it would be illegal." - Unknown

"Nothing can confound
A wise man more than laughter from a dunce."
- Lord Byron

"There is no subject so old that something new cannot be said about it." -
Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky





"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "FeAudrey" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > In article >, says...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
> > >
> > >Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The
S
> &
> > >R show was just a draw.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone
drawing
> in
> > the customers?
>
> Uhhh...have you ever been to Las Vegas?? Really all it takes is a
> mechanical volcano to draw people, or a really great bar, or a craps
> tournament, or Wayne Newton, or the best buffett, or free mardi gras
> beads, or an indoor high wire act...or......
> I am sure S and R were a big draw but they can be replaced.
>
> AG
>
>

[PJ DiSanti]

Yeah!!! I posted this in another thread but it really belongs here...

"I'll be performing at the Mirage for Christmas, they are letting me cook
and consume the tiger that mauled Roy, Live ONSTAGE! We will kill it, cook
it and I promise it will be a rare treat, blood rare."

So come on out and see me eat some pussy!

PJ
--


"If voting could really change things,
it would be illegal." - Unknown

"Nothing can confound
A wise man more than laughter from a dunce."
- Lord Byron

"There is no subject so old that something new cannot be said about it." -
Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky





"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "FeAudrey" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > In article >, says...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
> > >
> > >Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The
S
> &
> > >R show was just a draw.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone
drawing
> in
> > the customers?
>
> Uhhh...have you ever been to Las Vegas?? Really all it takes is a
> mechanical volcano to draw people, or a really great bar, or a craps
> tournament, or Wayne Newton, or the best buffett, or free mardi gras
> beads, or an indoor high wire act...or......
> I am sure S and R were a big draw but they can be replaced.
>
> AG
>
>

[MacCandace]

<< Apparently, as their present habitats are set up, it's really la
creme de la creme. If their current living conditions & care can be kept up
to snuff, I think - from what I know - that it'd be better to keep them in
their present habitat(s).

Cathy >>

Oh, I didn't really know that. I agree, I hope they can live out their lives
with them and, hopefully, they won't breed any more if they are aberrations.



Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[MacCandace]

<< Apparently, as their present habitats are set up, it's really la
creme de la creme. If their current living conditions & care can be kept up
to snuff, I think - from what I know - that it'd be better to keep them in
their present habitat(s).

Cathy >>

Oh, I didn't really know that. I agree, I hope they can live out their lives
with them and, hopefully, they won't breed any more if they are aberrations.



Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

"One does not meet oneself until one catches the reflection from an eye other
than human." (Loren Eisely)

[otter]

> In article >, says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
>>
>> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>> R show was just a draw.
>
>
> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
> the customers?

Oh, please! The Mirage takes in millions of dollars PER DAY. People go to
Vegas to GAMBLE, sweetie. They'll go wherever the slots are paying well or
they are treated royally or the food is great or they just feel "lucky"
there. Any number of reasons make a person walk through those doors to
gamble and S & R or any other act is very small in the overall equation.

Gloria

[otter]

> In article >, says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM
>>
>> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>> R show was just a draw.
>
>
> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
> the customers?

Oh, please! The Mirage takes in millions of dollars PER DAY. People go to
Vegas to GAMBLE, sweetie. They'll go wherever the slots are paying well or
they are treated royally or the food is great or they just feel "lucky"
there. Any number of reasons make a person walk through those doors to
gamble and S & R or any other act is very small in the overall equation.

Gloria

[Karg]

(The Smiths) wrote in message >...
> "njs" > wrote in message et>...
> > "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > > animal suffer, even humans.
> > >
> > > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > > a natural enemy.
> > >
> > > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > > animal farm later.
> > >
> > > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > > these many years.
> > >
> > > Ken
> >
> > they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
> > cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> > have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
> > them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
> > couple hundred people forever, for god's sake.
>
> Oh, my word! I never knew that the supporting cast was in the
> hundreds. All along one was given the impression that it was just S&R
> who were doing all the work.

Who in the world would come to that conclusion? Do you think the only
people who work on the TV shows you see are the actors?


And the loss of one person is going to
> cause the show to be cancelled? So were the hundreds in the
> supporting cast doing nothing? Or alot.


>
> Sounds like they were treated throughout the years like the animals in
> the show. Shabbily.
>
>
I haven't heard anything indicating that the employees have been
treated shabbily throughout the years. But if S&R did treat their
employees badly, their employees had a choice that the animals
didn't-to leave.

[Karg]

(The Smiths) wrote in message >...
> "njs" > wrote in message et>...
> > "The Smiths" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I want to couch my posting by saying from the beginning that I am
> > > sorry Mr. Roy had the accident the other day. I hate to see any
> > > animal suffer, even humans.
> > >
> > > I saw a film of him training a young lion to swim. They were in
> > > the middle of a round pool that was very deep. Just the way to
> > > instill trust and respect as well as hatred and unwanted dependence on
> > > a natural enemy.
> > >
> > > The law of averages finally caught up. The animals have been
> > > used and abused for many years, and one wonders if S&R will become
> > > animal farm later.
> > >
> > > Our prayers go out to S&R and the employees. They were told it
> > > was unclear when "the show would go on" and now beat it and find other
> > > jobs. Kind of cheap of S (sure to be his decision since R is fighting
> > > for his life) after all the money S&R have made off their cattle lo
> > > these many years.
> > >
> > > Ken
> >
> > they obviously know something you don't, regarding his injury, which may not
> > cause him to die, but they probably have enough info to know that he will
> > have to retire. Telling the people to find other jobs is kinder than telling
> > them to hang on and THEn telling them months from now. They can't pay a
> > couple hundred people forever, for god's sake.
>
> Oh, my word! I never knew that the supporting cast was in the
> hundreds. All along one was given the impression that it was just S&R
> who were doing all the work.

Who in the world would come to that conclusion? Do you think the only
people who work on the TV shows you see are the actors?


And the loss of one person is going to
> cause the show to be cancelled? So were the hundreds in the
> supporting cast doing nothing? Or alot.


>
> Sounds like they were treated throughout the years like the animals in
> the show. Shabbily.
>
>
I haven't heard anything indicating that the employees have been
treated shabbily throughout the years. But if S&R did treat their
employees badly, their employees had a choice that the animals
didn't-to leave.

[Tommy Joseph]

> From: "njs" >

> They got 10 days' severance.
> The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
> kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
> to them. Calm down.



Calm down! Weren't those Roy's final words to the big cat as it leapt
toward his throat? You're right, though, about these people finding other
jobs. How far removed from reality are people when they focus in on
something like this when people all over this country are one week's pay
check away from the street? These people aren't heading for skid row, for
Christ's sake!

Tommy (The Tiger) Joe

[Tommy Joseph]

> From: "njs" >

> They got 10 days' severance.
> The situation can't be helped. That's what you get, when you work in that
> kind of job. They'll find other jobs, I saw some hotel already offered jobs
> to them. Calm down.



Calm down! Weren't those Roy's final words to the big cat as it leapt
toward his throat? You're right, though, about these people finding other
jobs. How far removed from reality are people when they focus in on
something like this when people all over this country are one week's pay
check away from the street? These people aren't heading for skid row, for
Christ's sake!

Tommy (The Tiger) Joe

[Tommy Joseph]

> From: "PJ DiSanti" >
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups:
> alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.cats,alt.comedy.standup ,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:00 GMT
> Subject: Re: Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the badkarma
> built up of many years.
>
> Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
>
> PJ



I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
I can come up with a pretty good one.

Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire)

[Tommy Joseph]

> From: "PJ DiSanti" >
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups:
> alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.cats,alt.comedy.standup ,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:00 GMT
> Subject: Re: Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the badkarma
> built up of many years.
>
> Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
>
> PJ



I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
I can come up with a pretty good one.

Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire)

[Tommy Joseph]

> "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain"

> ~~Philip


Tell that to John E. Jaku-Hing

Tommy Joe

[Tommy Joseph]

> "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain"

> ~~Philip


Tell that to John E. Jaku-Hing

Tommy Joe

[Tommy Joseph]

>> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>> R show was just a draw.
>
>
> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
> the customers?
>
> --
> Visit my Iron Age Pages for technical and fun stuff (holiday specials, too)!
> http://pages.prodigy.net/feaudrey
>



I see that working both ways. I'd say gambling is the big draw.

Tommy Joe

[Tommy Joseph]

>> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>> R show was just a draw.
>
>
> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
> the customers?
>
> --
> Visit my Iron Age Pages for technical and fun stuff (holiday specials, too)!
> http://pages.prodigy.net/feaudrey
>



I see that working both ways. I'd say gambling is the big draw.

Tommy Joe

[Rechelle]

"Philip ®" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> The "business" end of the Ziegfield and Roy show is run like a ....
> business. It is not a welfare program. When the income stream is
> curtailed, you quickly curtail payroll as that is your largest
> expense as an employer. -Better- to tell the people to get other
> employment in the short term than to keep them in suspense. If the
> show resumes, those people can always be rehired if the old employees
> wish to return.

Catch here is there was a contract. And unless that contract stated (which
I doubt it did) that the show could be cancelled unexpectedly for any reason
(come on the Mirage wouldn't put out that type contract after S & R all
these years) S & R as well as the production company and the Mirage all
stand to be sued. Without that clause, they are legally obligated to pay
out the contract.

[Rechelle]

"Philip ®" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> The "business" end of the Ziegfield and Roy show is run like a ....
> business. It is not a welfare program. When the income stream is
> curtailed, you quickly curtail payroll as that is your largest
> expense as an employer. -Better- to tell the people to get other
> employment in the short term than to keep them in suspense. If the
> show resumes, those people can always be rehired if the old employees
> wish to return.

Catch here is there was a contract. And unless that contract stated (which
I doubt it did) that the show could be cancelled unexpectedly for any reason
(come on the Mirage wouldn't put out that type contract after S & R all
these years) S & R as well as the production company and the Mirage all
stand to be sued. Without that clause, they are legally obligated to pay
out the contract.

[Ollie North]

Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> >> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
> >> R show was just a draw.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
> > the customers?
> >
> > --
> > Visit my Iron Age Pages for technical and fun stuff (holiday specials, too)!
> > http://pages.prodigy.net/feaudrey
> >
>
>
>
> I see that working both ways. I'd say gambling is the big draw.
>
> Tommy Joe


You post much will very little to say.
Ollie

[Ollie North]

Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> >> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
> >> R show was just a draw.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
> > the customers?
> >
> > --
> > Visit my Iron Age Pages for technical and fun stuff (holiday specials, too)!
> > http://pages.prodigy.net/feaudrey
> >
>
>
>
> I see that working both ways. I'd say gambling is the big draw.
>
> Tommy Joe


You post much will very little to say.
Ollie

[Ollie North]

Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> > "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain"
>
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> Tell that to John E. Jaku-Hing
>
> Tommy Joe


You post much will very little to say.
Ollie

[Ollie North]

Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> > "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain"
>
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> Tell that to John E. Jaku-Hing
>
> Tommy Joe


You post much will very little to say.
Ollie

[Ollie North]

Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> > From: "PJ DiSanti" >
> > Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> > Newsgroups:
> > alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.cats,alt.comedy.standup ,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> > Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:00 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the badkarma
> > built up of many years.
> >
> > Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
> >
> > PJ
>
>
>
> I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
> I can come up with a pretty good one.
>
> Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire


You post much will very little to say.
Ollie)

[Ollie North]

Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> > From: "PJ DiSanti" >
> > Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> > Newsgroups:
> > alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.cats,alt.comedy.standup ,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> > Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:00 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the badkarma
> > built up of many years.
> >
> > Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
> >
> > PJ
>
>
>
> I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
> I can come up with a pretty good one.
>
> Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire


You post much will very little to say.
Ollie)

[FeAudrey]

>>>> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM


>>>
>>> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>>> R show was just a draw.


>> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
>> the customers?


>Oh, please! The Mirage takes in millions of dollars PER DAY. People go to
>Vegas to GAMBLE, sweetie. They'll go wherever the slots are paying well or
>they are treated royally or the food is great or they just feel "lucky"
>there. Any number of reasons make a person walk through those doors to
>gamble and S & R or any other act is very small in the overall equation.


Along the Strip alone, from the Sahara to Mandalay Bay, there are nearly THIRTY
major hotel-casinos, all with a nearly identical set of facilities.

Anything that makes the customers walk into your joint rather the one on either
side or across the street or further away.

So a good-drawing show is an important component of the mix. Notice that the
Sigfried and Roy-related exhbits are still up and running.

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[FeAudrey]

>>>> It's a bit of a disaster for the Mirage and MGM


>>>
>>> Not by a long shot! They make SO much more money off the casinos. The S &
>>> R show was just a draw.


>> Yeah, well, how is the casino going to make money WITHOUT someone drawing in
>> the customers?


>Oh, please! The Mirage takes in millions of dollars PER DAY. People go to
>Vegas to GAMBLE, sweetie. They'll go wherever the slots are paying well or
>they are treated royally or the food is great or they just feel "lucky"
>there. Any number of reasons make a person walk through those doors to
>gamble and S & R or any other act is very small in the overall equation.


Along the Strip alone, from the Sahara to Mandalay Bay, there are nearly THIRTY
major hotel-casinos, all with a nearly identical set of facilities.

Anything that makes the customers walk into your joint rather the one on either
side or across the street or further away.

So a good-drawing show is an important component of the mix. Notice that the
Sigfried and Roy-related exhbits are still up and running.

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[Jeff Masterson]

(Ollie North) wrote in message >...
> Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> > > From: "PJ DiSanti" >
> > > Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> > > Newsgroups:
> > > alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.cats,alt.comedy.standup ,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> > > Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:00 GMT
> > > Subject: Re: Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the badkarma
> > > built up of many years.
> > >
> > > Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
> > >
> > > PJ
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
> > I can come up with a pretty good one.
> >
> > Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire
>
>
> You post much will very little to say.
> Ollie)

I was absolutely giddy to see the subject line and Ollies name. Then
it got even better, TJ had posted as well. With heart pounding
anxiousness I wait for the page to load. "Surely this will be so funny
I will laugh away the years of abuse I suffered at the hands of that
guy my Dad excaped from prison with" I am thinking. But alas, these
were not your better post my NG friends. And so disappointed I punch
myself in the nuts until I fall asleep. Although the idea of phonying
up a video of the event say with a GI Joe doll and kitten would be
cool. Maybe getting a cat to attack a GI Joe in front of a small child
that had seen the actual event and was severely traumatised. The kid
could start flinching and ****.

[Jeff Masterson]

(Ollie North) wrote in message >...
> Tommy Joseph > wrote in message >...
> > > From: "PJ DiSanti" >
> > > Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> > > Newsgroups:
> > > alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.cats,alt.comedy.standup ,rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> > > Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:29:00 GMT
> > > Subject: Re: Sorry, but Roy suffered the accident as a result of the badkarma
> > > built up of many years.
> > >
> > > Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
> > >
> > > PJ
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
> > I can come up with a pretty good one.
> >
> > Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire
>
>
> You post much will very little to say.
> Ollie)

I was absolutely giddy to see the subject line and Ollies name. Then
it got even better, TJ had posted as well. With heart pounding
anxiousness I wait for the page to load. "Surely this will be so funny
I will laugh away the years of abuse I suffered at the hands of that
guy my Dad excaped from prison with" I am thinking. But alas, these
were not your better post my NG friends. And so disappointed I punch
myself in the nuts until I fall asleep. Although the idea of phonying
up a video of the event say with a GI Joe doll and kitten would be
cool. Maybe getting a cat to attack a GI Joe in front of a small child
that had seen the actual event and was severely traumatised. The kid
could start flinching and ****.

[Tommy Joseph]

>>>> Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
>>>>
>>>> PJ

>>> I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
>>> I can come up with a pretty good one.
>>>
>>> Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire
>>
>>
>> You post much will very little to say.
>> Ollie)
>
> I was absolutely giddy to see the subject line and Ollies name. Then
> it got even better, TJ had posted as well. With heart pounding
> anxiousness I wait for the page to load. "Surely this will be so funny
> I will laugh away the years of abuse I suffered at the hands of that
> guy my Dad excaped from prison with" I am thinking. But alas, these
> were not your better post my NG friends. And so disappointed I punch
> myself in the nuts until I fall asleep. Although the idea of phonying
> up a video of the event say with a GI Joe doll and kitten would be
> cool. Maybe getting a cat to attack a GI Joe in front of a small child
> that had seen the actual event and was severely traumatised. The kid
> could start flinching and ****.


Oh, what we could do with a video camera and our great imaginations -
and a little spare time to go along with it.

Tommy Joe

[Tommy Joseph]

>>>> Is there an 800 number and is there a DVD available yet?
>>>>
>>>> PJ

>>> I don't know, but give me like a hundred bucks and a few days and I think
>>> I can come up with a pretty good one.
>>>
>>> Tommy Joe (Film Maker Extraordinaire
>>
>>
>> You post much will very little to say.
>> Ollie)
>
> I was absolutely giddy to see the subject line and Ollies name. Then
> it got even better, TJ had posted as well. With heart pounding
> anxiousness I wait for the page to load. "Surely this will be so funny
> I will laugh away the years of abuse I suffered at the hands of that
> guy my Dad excaped from prison with" I am thinking. But alas, these
> were not your better post my NG friends. And so disappointed I punch
> myself in the nuts until I fall asleep. Although the idea of phonying
> up a video of the event say with a GI Joe doll and kitten would be
> cool. Maybe getting a cat to attack a GI Joe in front of a small child
> that had seen the actual event and was severely traumatised. The kid
> could start flinching and ****.


Oh, what we could do with a video camera and our great imaginations -
and a little spare time to go along with it.

Tommy Joe