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No One But Me
August 20th 03, 12:06 AM
Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary
crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter in
to drain his bladder which was completely full, they had to sedate him ...
and even then it took 1 hour just to get the catheter in!
when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good candidate
for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals but which will turn
him into a girl. said he would never again have this problem if he had that
operation. i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she said
she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
inflamed.
has anyone ever heard of this?
barbara
Arjun Ray
August 20th 03, 02:42 AM
In >, "No One But Me"
> wrote:
| Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for
| urinary crystals.
What did you expect, mutilator? Feeeding crap food was "in the
contract", wasn't it?
| this is the second time in 2 months.
And you think it couldn't possibly be your fault, right?
| when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
| candidate for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals
| but which will turn him into a girl.
Vaguely, only in terms of how the urethra connects to the outside. The
urethra above the penis is reconnected to a new opening just below the
anus. It's called Perineal Urethrostomy:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Perineal+urethrostomy&btnG=Google+Search
There may be a period of incontinence while he learns sphincter control
with new muscles.
PU is a last hope procedure for chronically blocked FLUTD cases, which
is not restricted to just those prone to developing crystals.
If crystals are the problem in such a *young* cat, chances are that
talking to a nutritionist would be the wisest course.
Or maybe that isn't in the contract?
--
"in order to have a home, food in your bowl, water to drink, regular
medical care, and an owner to take care of them & love them, prices
have to be paid. i don't think my cats hate the price (declawing)
they paid for a home." -- Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
of declawing in >
Arjun Ray
August 20th 03, 02:42 AM
In >, "No One But Me"
> wrote:
| Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for
| urinary crystals.
What did you expect, mutilator? Feeeding crap food was "in the
contract", wasn't it?
| this is the second time in 2 months.
And you think it couldn't possibly be your fault, right?
| when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
| candidate for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals
| but which will turn him into a girl.
Vaguely, only in terms of how the urethra connects to the outside. The
urethra above the penis is reconnected to a new opening just below the
anus. It's called Perineal Urethrostomy:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Perineal+urethrostomy&btnG=Google+Search
There may be a period of incontinence while he learns sphincter control
with new muscles.
PU is a last hope procedure for chronically blocked FLUTD cases, which
is not restricted to just those prone to developing crystals.
If crystals are the problem in such a *young* cat, chances are that
talking to a nutritionist would be the wisest course.
Or maybe that isn't in the contract?
--
"in order to have a home, food in your bowl, water to drink, regular
medical care, and an owner to take care of them & love them, prices
have to be paid. i don't think my cats hate the price (declawing)
they paid for a home." -- Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
of declawing in >
Barbara wrote:
>when i talked to the vet this afternoon,
>she said Joey was a good candidate for
>an operation which will relieve him of the
>crystals
The operation will NOT relieve him of crystals. It will only make him
less likely to block. A vet that would recommend such a drastic measure
when other things have not yet been tried is an idiot and you should be
looking for a new vet. This operation is a *last resort* which should be
considered *only* after all other options fail. You aren't even there
yet.
Using a high quality canned food only diet that is supplemented with an
acidifier in tablet form is a better option that doesn't involve such
drastic measures.
>but which will turn him into a girl.
>said he would never again have this
>problem if he had that operation.
That's not true. It will NOT resolve the crystal problems, and will only
lessen chances of a blockage. You need to address the cause of the
crystals instead of planning to have your cat cut up unnecessarily
because it seems more convenient.
>i told her that i wanted to give him that
>operation and she said she would make
>arrangements for it when Joey gets better
>& is no longer inflamed.
I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve
the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com
Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22
"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."
- W.H. Murray
Barbara wrote:
>when i talked to the vet this afternoon,
>she said Joey was a good candidate for
>an operation which will relieve him of the
>crystals
The operation will NOT relieve him of crystals. It will only make him
less likely to block. A vet that would recommend such a drastic measure
when other things have not yet been tried is an idiot and you should be
looking for a new vet. This operation is a *last resort* which should be
considered *only* after all other options fail. You aren't even there
yet.
Using a high quality canned food only diet that is supplemented with an
acidifier in tablet form is a better option that doesn't involve such
drastic measures.
>but which will turn him into a girl.
>said he would never again have this
>problem if he had that operation.
That's not true. It will NOT resolve the crystal problems, and will only
lessen chances of a blockage. You need to address the cause of the
crystals instead of planning to have your cat cut up unnecessarily
because it seems more convenient.
>i told her that i wanted to give him that
>operation and she said she would make
>arrangements for it when Joey gets better
>& is no longer inflamed.
I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve
the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com
Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22
"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."
- W.H. Murray
I wanted to add to my previous post the fact that a cat that has had a
perineal urethrostomy is highly prone to bladder infections and stones
and needs regular trips to the vet for monitoring.
Again, I would not recommend you do this to your cat when there are
other options.
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com
Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22
"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."
- W.H. Murray
I wanted to add to my previous post the fact that a cat that has had a
perineal urethrostomy is highly prone to bladder infections and stones
and needs regular trips to the vet for monitoring.
Again, I would not recommend you do this to your cat when there are
other options.
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com
Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22
"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."
- W.H. Murray
bewtifulfreak
August 20th 03, 02:29 PM
wrote:
> I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve
> the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
She's already gone for the drastic quick fix of declawing, why not genital
mutilation as well?
bewtifulfreak
August 20th 03, 02:29 PM
wrote:
> I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve
> the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
She's already gone for the drastic quick fix of declawing, why not genital
mutilation as well?
Arjun Ray
August 21st 03, 01:18 AM
In >, "bewtifulfreak"
> wrote:
| wrote:
|
|> I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve
|> the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
|> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
|
| She's already gone for the drastic quick fix of declawing, why not
| genital mutilation as well?
Indeed. And then, when the poor boy pees on the couch because he can't
help it, still needing to learn sphincter control, she'll be ready with
a rolled up newspaper to smack "proper behavior" into him.
And, of course, feeding him the usual grocery store crap will make the
blockages when they occur even more massive. There must be some fine
print in the contract to cover that too.
--
"in order to have a home, food in your bowl, water to drink, regular
medical care, and an owner to take care of them & love them, prices
have to be paid. i don't think my cats hate the price (declawing)
they paid for a home." -- Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
of declawing in >
Arjun Ray
August 21st 03, 01:18 AM
In >, "bewtifulfreak"
> wrote:
| wrote:
|
|> I would never do this without first taking the time to try to resolve
|> the cause. I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
|> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
|
| She's already gone for the drastic quick fix of declawing, why not
| genital mutilation as well?
Indeed. And then, when the poor boy pees on the couch because he can't
help it, still needing to learn sphincter control, she'll be ready with
a rolled up newspaper to smack "proper behavior" into him.
And, of course, feeding him the usual grocery store crap will make the
blockages when they occur even more massive. There must be some fine
print in the contract to cover that too.
--
"in order to have a home, food in your bowl, water to drink, regular
medical care, and an owner to take care of them & love them, prices
have to be paid. i don't think my cats hate the price (declawing)
they paid for a home." -- Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
of declawing in >
Arjun Ray
August 21st 03, 10:00 AM
In >,
wrote:
| Barbara wrote:
|
|> when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
|> candidate for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals
|
| The operation will NOT relieve him of crystals. It will only make
| him less likely to block.
I just remembered that Barbara feeds her cats Purina Special Care and
Purina ONE. I don't suppose Barbara had the sense to ask the vet what
kind of crystals poor Joey has, but it sounds like oxalates. :-(
Arjun Ray
August 21st 03, 10:00 AM
In >,
wrote:
| Barbara wrote:
|
|> when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
|> candidate for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals
|
| The operation will NOT relieve him of crystals. It will only make
| him less likely to block.
I just remembered that Barbara feeds her cats Purina Special Care and
Purina ONE. I don't suppose Barbara had the sense to ask the vet what
kind of crystals poor Joey has, but it sounds like oxalates. :-(
LeeAnne
August 21st 03, 02:30 PM
Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for
info on this crystal problem and you may get some ideas of things you can
add/delete from the cat's diet to help break these things up and stop them
from reoccurring.
Good luck
LeeAnne
"No One But Me" > wrote in message
...
> Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary
> crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter
in
> to drain his bladder which was completely full, they had to sedate him ...
> and even then it took 1 hour just to get the catheter in!
>
> when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
candidate
> for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals but which will
turn
> him into a girl. said he would never again have this problem if he had
that
> operation. i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she
said
> she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
> inflamed.
>
> has anyone ever heard of this?
>
> barbara
>
>
LeeAnne
August 21st 03, 02:30 PM
Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for
info on this crystal problem and you may get some ideas of things you can
add/delete from the cat's diet to help break these things up and stop them
from reoccurring.
Good luck
LeeAnne
"No One But Me" > wrote in message
...
> Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary
> crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter
in
> to drain his bladder which was completely full, they had to sedate him ...
> and even then it took 1 hour just to get the catheter in!
>
> when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
candidate
> for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals but which will
turn
> him into a girl. said he would never again have this problem if he had
that
> operation. i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she
said
> she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
> inflamed.
>
> has anyone ever heard of this?
>
> barbara
>
>
"LeeAnne" > wrote in message >...
>
> "No One But Me" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary
> > crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter
> in
> > to drain his bladder which was completely full, they had to sedate him ...
> > and even then it took 1 hour just to get the catheter in!
> >
> > when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
> candidate
> > for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals but which will
> turn
> > him into a girl. said he would never again have this problem if he had
> that
> > operation. i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she
> said
> > she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
> > inflamed.
> >
> > has anyone ever heard of this?
> >
> > barbara
> >
> >
> Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for
> info on this crystal problem and you may get some ideas of things you can
> add/delete from the cat's diet to help break these things up and stop them
> from reoccurring.
>
> Good luck
> LeeAnne
Agreed...
Many moons ago, I had a tomcat that had a problem with crystals...
I know that Aryun already told me that watching the ash content in the
food was false, but that is what the first vet we took Pharoh to told
us to do... and it worked. He had one more incident of crystal
blockage a few years later when we slipped up on the diet thing, but
when we started watching it again, he never, ever got another crystal
blockage.
That vet told us to make sure that any canned food had an ash content
of less than 3%, and we used a dry food that was made for cats with
FUS. That was back when we were still feeding Hills CD.
Now that I'm overhauling my nutrition program again, time will tell...
:-)
Pharoh passed away in my arms about 8 years ago at age 15.
He never had to have any kind of surgery to control this problem!
Please, please try diet changes before doing this.
"LeeAnne" > wrote in message >...
>
> "No One But Me" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Blankthis morning i took my cat, Joey (3 yrs old), to the vet for urinary
> > crystals. this is the second time in 2 months. in order to get a catheter
> in
> > to drain his bladder which was completely full, they had to sedate him ...
> > and even then it took 1 hour just to get the catheter in!
> >
> > when i talked to the vet this afternoon, she said Joey was a good
> candidate
> > for an operation which will relieve him of the crystals but which will
> turn
> > him into a girl. said he would never again have this problem if he had
> that
> > operation. i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she
> said
> > she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
> > inflamed.
> >
> > has anyone ever heard of this?
> >
> > barbara
> >
> >
> Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for
> info on this crystal problem and you may get some ideas of things you can
> add/delete from the cat's diet to help break these things up and stop them
> from reoccurring.
>
> Good luck
> LeeAnne
Agreed...
Many moons ago, I had a tomcat that had a problem with crystals...
I know that Aryun already told me that watching the ash content in the
food was false, but that is what the first vet we took Pharoh to told
us to do... and it worked. He had one more incident of crystal
blockage a few years later when we slipped up on the diet thing, but
when we started watching it again, he never, ever got another crystal
blockage.
That vet told us to make sure that any canned food had an ash content
of less than 3%, and we used a dry food that was made for cats with
FUS. That was back when we were still feeding Hills CD.
Now that I'm overhauling my nutrition program again, time will tell...
:-)
Pharoh passed away in my arms about 8 years ago at age 15.
He never had to have any kind of surgery to control this problem!
Please, please try diet changes before doing this.
Arjun Ray
August 23rd 03, 02:07 AM
In >,
) wrote:
| "LeeAnne" > wrote in message >...
|> Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for
|> info on this crystal problem
She already thinks she knows better.
| I know that Aryun already told me that watching the ash content in the
| food was false,
That isn't what I said. I said that "low ash" and "urinary health" are
marketing slogans, aimed at keeping *humans* in the cocoons of their own
convenience.
The *facts* are that struvite is a magnesium compound, and magnesium is
part of the "ash" (i.e. mineral) content of food. However, simply
reducing magnesium intake is not a cure-all, because minerals need to be
in proportion anyway for their proper absorption.
But there's more to it, much more.
First, struvite crystals form in relatively alkaline conditions only.
Normally, cat urine is quite acidic - this is a natural consequence of a
carnivorous regimen, meat being far more acidic in the byproducts of its
digestion and metabolism than vegetation. So, you also have to look at
why your cat's urine isn't acidic enough.
Second, simply acidifying food with supplements is not a general answer,
and in fact a potentially very dangerous thing to do. This is because
excessive acidity is *also* bad for cats. Here, the danger is (calcium)
oxalate crystals. They're worse than struvites, because they can't be
dissolved.
Third, cats concentrate their urine. Solutes buildup in the bladder is
how crystal precipitation (like leaching or sedimentation) can start in
the first place. Unfortunately, cats have a very weak instinctive drive
to drink water. If they didn't, they could drink enough and flush their
bladders more regularly, clearing solutes *before* they have a chance to
accumulate.
So, overall, you have to look at the rate at which the body tries to rid
itself of mineral solutes through the kidneys, and the rate at which the
disposal occurs as a result of adequate water intake.
Feeding dry food with lots of minerals is obviously the absolute worst.
Feeding canned food (which assures adequate hydration in healthy cats)
is unambiguously always better than feeding dry food.
So, as long as the "ash" content isn't dangerously unhealthy, you have
nothing to worry about as long as the cat ****es it out fast enough.
Barring other medical conditions, this *is* a sufficient answer.
Arjun Ray
August 23rd 03, 02:07 AM
In >,
) wrote:
| "LeeAnne" > wrote in message >...
|> Have you tried changing the cat's diet? Look around on the internet for
|> info on this crystal problem
She already thinks she knows better.
| I know that Aryun already told me that watching the ash content in the
| food was false,
That isn't what I said. I said that "low ash" and "urinary health" are
marketing slogans, aimed at keeping *humans* in the cocoons of their own
convenience.
The *facts* are that struvite is a magnesium compound, and magnesium is
part of the "ash" (i.e. mineral) content of food. However, simply
reducing magnesium intake is not a cure-all, because minerals need to be
in proportion anyway for their proper absorption.
But there's more to it, much more.
First, struvite crystals form in relatively alkaline conditions only.
Normally, cat urine is quite acidic - this is a natural consequence of a
carnivorous regimen, meat being far more acidic in the byproducts of its
digestion and metabolism than vegetation. So, you also have to look at
why your cat's urine isn't acidic enough.
Second, simply acidifying food with supplements is not a general answer,
and in fact a potentially very dangerous thing to do. This is because
excessive acidity is *also* bad for cats. Here, the danger is (calcium)
oxalate crystals. They're worse than struvites, because they can't be
dissolved.
Third, cats concentrate their urine. Solutes buildup in the bladder is
how crystal precipitation (like leaching or sedimentation) can start in
the first place. Unfortunately, cats have a very weak instinctive drive
to drink water. If they didn't, they could drink enough and flush their
bladders more regularly, clearing solutes *before* they have a chance to
accumulate.
So, overall, you have to look at the rate at which the body tries to rid
itself of mineral solutes through the kidneys, and the rate at which the
disposal occurs as a result of adequate water intake.
Feeding dry food with lots of minerals is obviously the absolute worst.
Feeding canned food (which assures adequate hydration in healthy cats)
is unambiguously always better than feeding dry food.
So, as long as the "ash" content isn't dangerously unhealthy, you have
nothing to worry about as long as the cat ****es it out fast enough.
Barring other medical conditions, this *is* a sufficient answer.
Arjun Ray
August 23rd 03, 03:14 AM
In >, Katra >
wrote:
| Arjun Ray wrote:
|> So, as long as the "ash" content isn't dangerously unhealthy, you have
|> nothing to worry about as long as the cat ****es it out fast enough.
|> Barring other medical conditions, this *is* a sufficient answer.
| So basically, she should quit feeding him dry food altogether and just
| switch him to a good quality canned diet only?
Right - the good quality will mean less ash and less (alkalizing) plant
material, and the wetness will assure that the cat pees enough to get
rid of waste products in a timely manner.
Basically, crystals arise due to bad pH balance, relatively excessive
mineral waste, and relatively inadequate hydration. See, e.g.
http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
especially the section titled "Water Requirements". Here's a passage:
: Diet moisture content is related to the observation that cats fed
: dry food drink more than six times more water than cats fed canned
: food but that much of this water contributes to fecal moisture so
: that urine volume is lower and urine specific gravity higher in cats
: fed dry food. The urine concentration of all solutes, including
: potentially calculogenic crystalloids, depends on urine volume.
: Cats increase voluntary water intake when fed dry food but not in
: sufficient amounts to fully compensate for the lower moisture content
: of the food. In a recent study, cats consuming a diet containing 10%
: moisture with free access to drinking water had an average daily
: urine volume of 63 milliliters (ml). This volume increased to 112
: ml/day when fed a canned diet with a moisture content of 75%. Urine
: specific gravity was also higher in cats that were fed the low-
: moisture food. Decreased urine volume may be an important risk
: factor for the development of urolithiasis in cats. Diets that cause
: a decrease in total fluid turnover can result in decreased urine
: volume and increased urine concentration, both of which may
: contribute to urinary tract disease in cats. Several studies have
: shown that dry cat foods contribute to decreased fluid intake and
: urine volume.
Arjun Ray
August 23rd 03, 03:14 AM
In >, Katra >
wrote:
| Arjun Ray wrote:
|> So, as long as the "ash" content isn't dangerously unhealthy, you have
|> nothing to worry about as long as the cat ****es it out fast enough.
|> Barring other medical conditions, this *is* a sufficient answer.
| So basically, she should quit feeding him dry food altogether and just
| switch him to a good quality canned diet only?
Right - the good quality will mean less ash and less (alkalizing) plant
material, and the wetness will assure that the cat pees enough to get
rid of waste products in a timely manner.
Basically, crystals arise due to bad pH balance, relatively excessive
mineral waste, and relatively inadequate hydration. See, e.g.
http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
especially the section titled "Water Requirements". Here's a passage:
: Diet moisture content is related to the observation that cats fed
: dry food drink more than six times more water than cats fed canned
: food but that much of this water contributes to fecal moisture so
: that urine volume is lower and urine specific gravity higher in cats
: fed dry food. The urine concentration of all solutes, including
: potentially calculogenic crystalloids, depends on urine volume.
: Cats increase voluntary water intake when fed dry food but not in
: sufficient amounts to fully compensate for the lower moisture content
: of the food. In a recent study, cats consuming a diet containing 10%
: moisture with free access to drinking water had an average daily
: urine volume of 63 milliliters (ml). This volume increased to 112
: ml/day when fed a canned diet with a moisture content of 75%. Urine
: specific gravity was also higher in cats that were fed the low-
: moisture food. Decreased urine volume may be an important risk
: factor for the development of urolithiasis in cats. Diets that cause
: a decrease in total fluid turnover can result in decreased urine
: volume and increased urine concentration, both of which may
: contribute to urinary tract disease in cats. Several studies have
: shown that dry cat foods contribute to decreased fluid intake and
: urine volume.
k
August 23rd 03, 08:28 AM
The poster didn't "look" for a "drastic quick fix".
She was merely relaying what a vet told her.
Your comment about her sanity was totally uncalled for.
If anyone's can be questioned, it's yours for your
off-the-wall behavior.
wrote in message >...
I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
>
> Megan
>
k
August 23rd 03, 08:28 AM
The poster didn't "look" for a "drastic quick fix".
She was merely relaying what a vet told her.
Your comment about her sanity was totally uncalled for.
If anyone's can be questioned, it's yours for your
off-the-wall behavior.
wrote in message >...
I hope you regain your sanity and focus on dealing with and
> curing the crystal issues rather than looking for a drastic quick fix.
>
> Megan
>
Arjun Ray
August 23rd 03, 09:45 AM
In >,
(k) proves once again that top posters
either can't read or don't understand what they're following up to:
| The poster didn't "look" for a "drastic quick fix".
| She was merely relaying what a vet told her.
What part of the OP's message, which was quoted in Megan's followup and
looked like this:
"i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she said
she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
inflamed."
did you fail to read and comprehend?
| Your comment about her sanity was totally uncalled for.
You must be new around here. The OP has an interesting usenet posting
history. Google for and you may understand.
--
"in order to have a home, food in your bowl, water to drink, regular
medical care, and an owner to take care of them & love them, prices
have to be paid. i don't think my cats hate the price (declawing)
they paid for a home." -- Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
of declawing in >
Arjun Ray
August 23rd 03, 09:45 AM
In >,
(k) proves once again that top posters
either can't read or don't understand what they're following up to:
| The poster didn't "look" for a "drastic quick fix".
| She was merely relaying what a vet told her.
What part of the OP's message, which was quoted in Megan's followup and
looked like this:
"i told her that i wanted to give him that operation and she said
she would make arrangements for it when Joey gets better & is no longer
inflamed."
did you fail to read and comprehend?
| Your comment about her sanity was totally uncalled for.
You must be new around here. The OP has an interesting usenet posting
history. Google for and you may understand.
--
"in order to have a home, food in your bowl, water to drink, regular
medical care, and an owner to take care of them & love them, prices
have to be paid. i don't think my cats hate the price (declawing)
they paid for a home." -- Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
of declawing in >
PawsForThought
August 28th 03, 09:21 PM
>From: Arjun Ray
>Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
> of declawing in >
>
Ugh :(
________
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
PawsForThought
August 28th 03, 09:21 PM
>From: Arjun Ray
>Barbara Peale's contractarian "defence"
> of declawing in >
>
Ugh :(
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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