new litter problem child

[Wendy]

They all went to see the vet today.

Tiffany, the problem child, stopped taking the bottle on Wednesday so I had
to go back to fighting KMR into her with the syringe. Thursday she got the
runs and that's when I called the vet. They gave me some Colostrum and
Probiotic last night and made an appt. to take all four in to get checked
this morning. Last night I ended up giving her some Karo and water to keep
her hydrated, keep the blood sugar up and give her gut a break from not
doing well with the formula.

She must have known she was going to the vet because this morning she
actually took the bottle again. She still has the runs but has been eating
better today until the last feeding when she went on strike again.

One of the boys got the runs this afternoon but at least he's still eating
well.

Poor Tiffany's bum is so red and sore. She screams when I clean her up. Any
suggestions about what might be safe to put on her poor sore butt? I was
thinking maybe some preparation H or nupercanal ointment but didn't know if
that would be ok to use on a 2 1/2 wk old kitten.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Wendy

[Aimee S]

Hi

I have always had vet's tell me that Neosporin is best for sore spots on
the little one. I'd really be afraid of Preparation H for a little
kitten.

Good luck with the runs, I wll be getting some 2 to 3 week old kittens
this coming week.

Aimee

[Aimee S]

Hi

I have always had vet's tell me that Neosporin is best for sore spots on
the little one. I'd really be afraid of Preparation H for a little
kitten.

Good luck with the runs, I wll be getting some 2 to 3 week old kittens
this coming week.

Aimee

[Cheryl]

(Aimee S) dumped this in news:18806-40AEAC72-373
@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net on 21 May 2004:

> Hi
>
> I have always had vet's tell me that Neosporin is best for sore spots on
> the little one. I'd really be afraid of Preparation H for a little
> kitten.
>
Same here. Though I've not had to treat a little won, Neosporin has been
recommended for cats, and it doesn't hurt them if they lick it off.


> Good luck with the runs, I wll be getting some 2 to 3 week old kittens
> this coming week.

Good luck!! You're a better person than I. I am too selfish in this time
of my life for baby kitties... plus I have a FeLV+ cat. Maybe in the future
I can foster again.

--
Cheryl

[Cheryl]

(Aimee S) dumped this in news:18806-40AEAC72-373
@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net on 21 May 2004:

> Hi
>
> I have always had vet's tell me that Neosporin is best for sore spots on
> the little one. I'd really be afraid of Preparation H for a little
> kitten.
>
Same here. Though I've not had to treat a little won, Neosporin has been
recommended for cats, and it doesn't hurt them if they lick it off.


> Good luck with the runs, I wll be getting some 2 to 3 week old kittens
> this coming week.

Good luck!! You're a better person than I. I am too selfish in this time
of my life for baby kitties... plus I have a FeLV+ cat. Maybe in the future
I can foster again.

--
Cheryl

[Mary]

>I was
>thinking maybe some preparation H or nupercanal ointment but didn't know if
>that would be ok to use on a 2 1/2 wk old kitten.

I use prep H on baby squirrels, so do others. You can also use neosporin
ointment with pain relief. Should help a little.

[Mary]

>I was
>thinking maybe some preparation H or nupercanal ointment but didn't know if
>that would be ok to use on a 2 1/2 wk old kitten.

I use prep H on baby squirrels, so do others. You can also use neosporin
ointment with pain relief. Should help a little.

[~*Connie*~]

>
> Good luck!! You're a better person than I. I am too selfish in this time
> of my life for baby kitties... plus I have a FeLV+ cat. Maybe in the
future
> I can foster again.
>
> --
> Cheryl

Hey Cheryl.. I just had to post that I too had a FeLV+ cat.. He became
exposed after I adopted a kitty I fostered that never got over his URI,
because it turns out he had Felv and FIP..

anyway.. I had all the cats (5) tested, Jack was positive (all 5 had high
fip titers). Had him retested six weeks later again positive. I started
him on vitamin C, and a year later he is now FeLV negative, and most are fip
'negative as well.
I came upon the suggestion while reading "The Very Healthy Cat" book..
http://www.belfield.com/books.html


Just thought Id mention it.

[~*Connie*~]

>
> Good luck!! You're a better person than I. I am too selfish in this time
> of my life for baby kitties... plus I have a FeLV+ cat. Maybe in the
future
> I can foster again.
>
> --
> Cheryl

Hey Cheryl.. I just had to post that I too had a FeLV+ cat.. He became
exposed after I adopted a kitty I fostered that never got over his URI,
because it turns out he had Felv and FIP..

anyway.. I had all the cats (5) tested, Jack was positive (all 5 had high
fip titers). Had him retested six weeks later again positive. I started
him on vitamin C, and a year later he is now FeLV negative, and most are fip
'negative as well.
I came upon the suggestion while reading "The Very Healthy Cat" book..
http://www.belfield.com/books.html


Just thought Id mention it.

[Cheryl]

"~*Connie*~" > dumped this in
on 22 May 2004:

> I had all the cats (5) tested, Jack was positive (all 5 had high
> fip titers). Had him retested six weeks later again positive. I
> started him on vitamin C, and a year later he is now FeLV negative,
> and most are fip 'negative as well.
>

Thanks Connie. I read that about Vit C a long time ago, and tried giving
him supplements for a while until I read some studies that said Vit C had
no effect on cats at all even though I have read anecdotal histories such
as yours. Congrats on that! Between the IBD and FeLV, I've tried so many
homeopathic/holistic/allopathic treatments. He was on Interferon for a
while until his IBD got really bad and the vet said Interferon was
messing with the GI tract immune system so we cut him off of Interferon,
and it helped the IBD (somewhat). The poor cat is on Prednisone for the
IBD so that doesn't help the FeLV but so far he is non-symptomatic. At
this time, the IBD is much worse than the fact that he's FeLV+ so we're
treating that. Incidentally, he became FeLV+ from a blood transfusion
nearly 2 years ago. Thanks for the info. :) I'm always open to something
new for both diseases. For IBD he's on Flagyl, prednisone, fish oil,
slippery elm, Vit B complex and off/on pepcid as needed. At best, this is
just keeping him somewhat comfortable. I just can't find a food that
doesn't trigger diarrhea in him. Just as with humans with colitis or
similar, he has good days and not so good days.

--
Cheryl

[Cheryl]

"~*Connie*~" > dumped this in
on 22 May 2004:

> I had all the cats (5) tested, Jack was positive (all 5 had high
> fip titers). Had him retested six weeks later again positive. I
> started him on vitamin C, and a year later he is now FeLV negative,
> and most are fip 'negative as well.
>

Thanks Connie. I read that about Vit C a long time ago, and tried giving
him supplements for a while until I read some studies that said Vit C had
no effect on cats at all even though I have read anecdotal histories such
as yours. Congrats on that! Between the IBD and FeLV, I've tried so many
homeopathic/holistic/allopathic treatments. He was on Interferon for a
while until his IBD got really bad and the vet said Interferon was
messing with the GI tract immune system so we cut him off of Interferon,
and it helped the IBD (somewhat). The poor cat is on Prednisone for the
IBD so that doesn't help the FeLV but so far he is non-symptomatic. At
this time, the IBD is much worse than the fact that he's FeLV+ so we're
treating that. Incidentally, he became FeLV+ from a blood transfusion
nearly 2 years ago. Thanks for the info. :) I'm always open to something
new for both diseases. For IBD he's on Flagyl, prednisone, fish oil,
slippery elm, Vit B complex and off/on pepcid as needed. At best, this is
just keeping him somewhat comfortable. I just can't find a food that
doesn't trigger diarrhea in him. Just as with humans with colitis or
similar, he has good days and not so good days.

--
Cheryl

[MaryL]

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> "~*Connie*~" > dumped this in
> on 22 May 2004:
>
> > I had all the cats (5) tested, Jack was positive (all 5 had high
> > fip titers). Had him retested six weeks later again positive. I
> > started him on vitamin C, and a year later he is now FeLV negative,
> > and most are fip 'negative as well.
> >
>
> Thanks Connie. I read that about Vit C a long time ago, and tried giving
> him supplements for a while until I read some studies that said Vit C had
> no effect on cats at all even though I have read anecdotal histories such
> as yours. Congrats on that! Between the IBD and FeLV, I've tried so many
> homeopathic/holistic/allopathic treatments. He was on Interferon for a
> while until his IBD got really bad and the vet said Interferon was
> messing with the GI tract immune system so we cut him off of Interferon,
> and it helped the IBD (somewhat). The poor cat is on Prednisone for the
> IBD so that doesn't help the FeLV but so far he is non-symptomatic. At
> this time, the IBD is much worse than the fact that he's FeLV+ so we're
> treating that. Incidentally, he became FeLV+ from a blood transfusion
> nearly 2 years ago. Thanks for the info. :) I'm always open to something
> new for both diseases. For IBD he's on Flagyl, prednisone, fish oil,
> slippery elm, Vit B complex and off/on pepcid as needed. At best, this is
> just keeping him somewhat comfortable. I just can't find a food that
> doesn't trigger diarrhea in him. Just as with humans with colitis or
> similar, he has good days and not so good days.
>
> --
> Cheryl


Cheryl,

I don't have any anecdotal information about Vit C and FeLV. However, I do
have personal anecdotal information about Vit C and UTI (which may be of
some interest to you). My first cat was feral, and we learned shortly after
we trapped him and I adopted him that he had UTI (very advanced). I went
through several years of testing, treating with prescription medication,
clean tests, relapse, more treatment, etc. I learned to recognize the signs
of UTI *very* early, and he seemed to have an episode every few weeks. I
moved to Texas and found an excellent vet about a year after I moved here.
The vet had just returned from a conference and advanced training in
England. He said that Vit C seemed to be effective. He had me administer
250 mg of Vit C morning and evening and told me that excess Vit C would be
excreted in the urine. He had had recurring episodes of UTI every few weeks
for about 4 years. I gave him Vit C twice a day for the rest of his life.
From the time I started Vit C treatment, he *never had another episode* --
and he lived to be almost 20. (He died many years ago, and I must admit
that I have not followed up on scientific literature to see what the more
current thinking is concerning Vit C; but this made me a "believer" in
possible benefits of Vit C.)

MaryL

[MaryL]

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> "~*Connie*~" > dumped this in
> on 22 May 2004:
>
> > I had all the cats (5) tested, Jack was positive (all 5 had high
> > fip titers). Had him retested six weeks later again positive. I
> > started him on vitamin C, and a year later he is now FeLV negative,
> > and most are fip 'negative as well.
> >
>
> Thanks Connie. I read that about Vit C a long time ago, and tried giving
> him supplements for a while until I read some studies that said Vit C had
> no effect on cats at all even though I have read anecdotal histories such
> as yours. Congrats on that! Between the IBD and FeLV, I've tried so many
> homeopathic/holistic/allopathic treatments. He was on Interferon for a
> while until his IBD got really bad and the vet said Interferon was
> messing with the GI tract immune system so we cut him off of Interferon,
> and it helped the IBD (somewhat). The poor cat is on Prednisone for the
> IBD so that doesn't help the FeLV but so far he is non-symptomatic. At
> this time, the IBD is much worse than the fact that he's FeLV+ so we're
> treating that. Incidentally, he became FeLV+ from a blood transfusion
> nearly 2 years ago. Thanks for the info. :) I'm always open to something
> new for both diseases. For IBD he's on Flagyl, prednisone, fish oil,
> slippery elm, Vit B complex and off/on pepcid as needed. At best, this is
> just keeping him somewhat comfortable. I just can't find a food that
> doesn't trigger diarrhea in him. Just as with humans with colitis or
> similar, he has good days and not so good days.
>
> --
> Cheryl


Cheryl,

I don't have any anecdotal information about Vit C and FeLV. However, I do
have personal anecdotal information about Vit C and UTI (which may be of
some interest to you). My first cat was feral, and we learned shortly after
we trapped him and I adopted him that he had UTI (very advanced). I went
through several years of testing, treating with prescription medication,
clean tests, relapse, more treatment, etc. I learned to recognize the signs
of UTI *very* early, and he seemed to have an episode every few weeks. I
moved to Texas and found an excellent vet about a year after I moved here.
The vet had just returned from a conference and advanced training in
England. He said that Vit C seemed to be effective. He had me administer
250 mg of Vit C morning and evening and told me that excess Vit C would be
excreted in the urine. He had had recurring episodes of UTI every few weeks
for about 4 years. I gave him Vit C twice a day for the rest of his life.
From the time I started Vit C treatment, he *never had another episode* --
and he lived to be almost 20. (He died many years ago, and I must admit
that I have not followed up on scientific literature to see what the more
current thinking is concerning Vit C; but this made me a "believer" in
possible benefits of Vit C.)

MaryL

[JoJo]

Wendy,

You should be able to use Neosporin or A&D ointment (for diaper rash - it's
safe, just petroleum jelly (vaselin) with vitamins A&D added).

Did the vet check for worms? That could be what is causing the runs -
typical worms are round or hook. However they may have coccidia which is
sometimes very hard to identify. If they are old enough start worming them
for round and hook worms. If the diarrhea continues take another sample to
the vets and have them specifically check for coccidia.

JoJo
"Wendy" > wrote in message
...
> They all went to see the vet today.
>
> Tiffany, the problem child, stopped taking the bottle on Wednesday so I
had
> to go back to fighting KMR into her with the syringe. Thursday she got the
> runs and that's when I called the vet. They gave me some Colostrum and
> Probiotic last night and made an appt. to take all four in to get checked
> this morning. Last night I ended up giving her some Karo and water to keep
> her hydrated, keep the blood sugar up and give her gut a break from not
> doing well with the formula.
>
> She must have known she was going to the vet because this morning she
> actually took the bottle again. She still has the runs but has been eating
> better today until the last feeding when she went on strike again.
>
> One of the boys got the runs this afternoon but at least he's still eating
> well.
>
> Poor Tiffany's bum is so red and sore. She screams when I clean her up.
Any
> suggestions about what might be safe to put on her poor sore butt? I was
> thinking maybe some preparation H or nupercanal ointment but didn't know
if
> that would be ok to use on a 2 1/2 wk old kitten.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Wendy
>
>

[JoJo]

Wendy,

You should be able to use Neosporin or A&D ointment (for diaper rash - it's
safe, just petroleum jelly (vaselin) with vitamins A&D added).

Did the vet check for worms? That could be what is causing the runs -
typical worms are round or hook. However they may have coccidia which is
sometimes very hard to identify. If they are old enough start worming them
for round and hook worms. If the diarrhea continues take another sample to
the vets and have them specifically check for coccidia.

JoJo
"Wendy" > wrote in message
...
> They all went to see the vet today.
>
> Tiffany, the problem child, stopped taking the bottle on Wednesday so I
had
> to go back to fighting KMR into her with the syringe. Thursday she got the
> runs and that's when I called the vet. They gave me some Colostrum and
> Probiotic last night and made an appt. to take all four in to get checked
> this morning. Last night I ended up giving her some Karo and water to keep
> her hydrated, keep the blood sugar up and give her gut a break from not
> doing well with the formula.
>
> She must have known she was going to the vet because this morning she
> actually took the bottle again. She still has the runs but has been eating
> better today until the last feeding when she went on strike again.
>
> One of the boys got the runs this afternoon but at least he's still eating
> well.
>
> Poor Tiffany's bum is so red and sore. She screams when I clean her up.
Any
> suggestions about what might be safe to put on her poor sore butt? I was
> thinking maybe some preparation H or nupercanal ointment but didn't know
if
> that would be ok to use on a 2 1/2 wk old kitten.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Wendy
>
>

[Wendy]

"JoJo" > wrote in message
...
> Wendy,
>
> You should be able to use Neosporin or A&D ointment (for diaper rash -
it's
> safe, just petroleum jelly (vaselin) with vitamins A&D added).
>
> Did the vet check for worms? That could be what is causing the runs -
> typical worms are round or hook. However they may have coccidia which is
> sometimes very hard to identify. If they are old enough start worming
them
> for round and hook worms. If the diarrhea continues take another sample
to
> the vets and have them specifically check for coccidia.
>
> JoJo

I asked about worming them but the vet said they were too young. I think the
sulfadimet was to treat coccidia if the diarrhea didn't stop or their was
any blood on the stool.

Knock on wood I think they might be over the runs. They haven't squirted
since 5:30 this morning and they are all eating pretty well. I did a web
search and found where they recommended diluting the formula for a few
feedings. I started that last night. If they go through till tomorrow
morning with no diarrhea I'll gradually cut back on the extra water. I'm not
too worried at this point as they are all eating and are playing and quite
active.

W

[Wendy]

"JoJo" > wrote in message
...
> Wendy,
>
> You should be able to use Neosporin or A&D ointment (for diaper rash -
it's
> safe, just petroleum jelly (vaselin) with vitamins A&D added).
>
> Did the vet check for worms? That could be what is causing the runs -
> typical worms are round or hook. However they may have coccidia which is
> sometimes very hard to identify. If they are old enough start worming
them
> for round and hook worms. If the diarrhea continues take another sample
to
> the vets and have them specifically check for coccidia.
>
> JoJo

I asked about worming them but the vet said they were too young. I think the
sulfadimet was to treat coccidia if the diarrhea didn't stop or their was
any blood on the stool.

Knock on wood I think they might be over the runs. They haven't squirted
since 5:30 this morning and they are all eating pretty well. I did a web
search and found where they recommended diluting the formula for a few
feedings. I started that last night. If they go through till tomorrow
morning with no diarrhea I'll gradually cut back on the extra water. I'm not
too worried at this point as they are all eating and are playing and quite
active.

W

[Cheryl]

"Wendy" > dumped this in
on 23 May 2004:

>
> "JoJo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Wendy,
>>
>> You should be able to use Neosporin or A&D ointment (for diaper rash
>> -
> it's
>> safe, just petroleum jelly (vaselin) with vitamins A&D added).
>>
>> Did the vet check for worms? That could be what is causing the runs
>> - typical worms are round or hook. However they may have coccidia
>> which is sometimes very hard to identify. If they are old enough
>> start worming
> them
>> for round and hook worms. If the diarrhea continues take another
>> sample
> to
>> the vets and have them specifically check for coccidia.
>>
>> JoJo
>
> I asked about worming them but the vet said they were too young. I
> think the sulfadimet was to treat coccidia if the diarrhea didn't stop
> or their was any blood on the stool.
>
> Knock on wood I think they might be over the runs. They haven't
> squirted since 5:30 this morning and they are all eating pretty well.
> I did a web search and found where they recommended diluting the
> formula for a few feedings. I started that last night. If they go
> through till tomorrow morning with no diarrhea I'll gradually cut back
> on the extra water. I'm not too worried at this point as they are all
> eating and are playing and quite active.
>
> W
>
>
>

Good job Wendy!

--
Cheryl

[Cheryl]

"Wendy" > dumped this in
on 23 May 2004:

>
> "JoJo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Wendy,
>>
>> You should be able to use Neosporin or A&D ointment (for diaper rash
>> -
> it's
>> safe, just petroleum jelly (vaselin) with vitamins A&D added).
>>
>> Did the vet check for worms? That could be what is causing the runs
>> - typical worms are round or hook. However they may have coccidia
>> which is sometimes very hard to identify. If they are old enough
>> start worming
> them
>> for round and hook worms. If the diarrhea continues take another
>> sample
> to
>> the vets and have them specifically check for coccidia.
>>
>> JoJo
>
> I asked about worming them but the vet said they were too young. I
> think the sulfadimet was to treat coccidia if the diarrhea didn't stop
> or their was any blood on the stool.
>
> Knock on wood I think they might be over the runs. They haven't
> squirted since 5:30 this morning and they are all eating pretty well.
> I did a web search and found where they recommended diluting the
> formula for a few feedings. I started that last night. If they go
> through till tomorrow morning with no diarrhea I'll gradually cut back
> on the extra water. I'm not too worried at this point as they are all
> eating and are playing and quite active.
>
> W
>
>
>

Good job Wendy!

--
Cheryl