Re: Run little mink, run!!!!

[bewtifulfreak]

Nanny wrote:
> That kind of thing has happened several times here too. Most of the
> minks can't survive in the wild anymore and die or become road
> kill............. The minks that are caught aren't identifiable, so
> young ones can't be returned to their own mothers.

That's a shame....wish they just wouldn't capture or breed them in the first
place. Fur belongs on animals, and wild animals belong in the wild!

Ann

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http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak

[Nanny]

Absolutely ! They should try to get rid of the fur farms.

--
Nanny

I still miss my ex but my aim has improved.

"bewtifulfreak" > schreef in bericht
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> Nanny wrote:
> > That kind of thing has happened several times here too. Most of the
> > minks can't survive in the wild anymore and die or become road
> > kill............. The minks that are caught aren't identifiable, so
> > young ones can't be returned to their own mothers.
>
> That's a shame....wish they just wouldn't capture or breed them in the
first
> place. Fur belongs on animals, and wild animals belong in the wild!
>
> Ann
>
> --
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> http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak
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>
>
>

[Victor M. Martinez]

Yeah, that's why they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Releasing these animals into the wild pretty much is a death sentence for
them. If they want folks to stop breeding them, they should focus their
efforts on education of the general public.
And no, I don't think ruining somebody's fur coat with paint qualifies as
education. That's assault and shouldn't be encouraged or promoted.

--
Victor M. Martinez

http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv

[bewtifulfreak]

Victor M. Martinez wrote:
> Yeah, that's why they say the road to hell is paved with good
> intentions. Releasing these animals into the wild pretty much is a
> death sentence for them. If they want folks to stop breeding them,
> they should focus their efforts on education of the general public.
> And no, I don't think ruining somebody's fur coat with paint
> qualifies as education. That's assault and shouldn't be encouraged or
> promoted.

I agree. All you do with behavior like that is make yourself look ignorant,
and totally shut people's minds to your message. But I do hope there are
other groups working in a more productive manner to save animals from being
used in this way, it truly is heartbreaking.

Ann

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http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak

[EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)]

bewtifulfreak wrote:
>
> Nanny wrote:
> > That kind of thing has happened several times here too. Most of the
> > minks can't survive in the wild anymore and die or become road
> > kill............. The minks that are caught aren't identifiable, so
> > young ones can't be returned to their own mothers.
>
> That's a shame....wish they just wouldn't capture or breed them in the first
> place. Fur belongs on animals, and wild animals belong in the wild!

However, from all I've read, mink are singularly nasty, vicious,
destructive little animals. That doesn't excuse breeding them just to
kill them for their skins, but releasing hoardes of them into the
ecosphere isn't doing other wild-life any favours!


>
> Ann
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> http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak

[Nanny]

"bewtifulfreak" > schreef in bericht
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> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> > bewtifulfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> Nanny wrote:
> >>> That kind of thing has happened several times here too. Most of the
> >>> minks can't survive in the wild anymore and die or become road
> >>> kill............. The minks that are caught aren't identifiable, so
> >>> young ones can't be returned to their own mothers.
> >>
> >> That's a shame....wish they just wouldn't capture or breed them in
> >> the first place. Fur belongs on animals, and wild animals belong in
> >> the wild!
> >
> > However, from all I've read, mink are singularly nasty, vicious,
> > destructive little animals. That doesn't excuse breeding them just to
> > kill them for their skins, but releasing hoardes of them into the
> > ecosphere isn't doing other wild-life any favours!
>
> Well, as I said, I agree it wasn't the way to go, but as you said, they
> shouldn't be used that way. And I don't think any animals are nasty per
se;
> they do what is necessary to live. I mean, one could say a tiger is
> viscious, but only to the extent it needs to be to survive. I doubt
they're
> just viscious for the heck of it, which is more than I can say for a lot
of
> people....
>
> Ann
>

I couldn't agree more with you, Ann. Any animal that isn't really fit to be
a pet is nasty and vicious when you look at it in a certain way.
Some people want to try to have minks as pets, and most of the time it
doesn't really work, cause they're just not the right pet material, and when
they bite they usually go all the way. I think that's why they have that
bad reputation, and comparing that with "your" tiger, that would kill when
you took it in as a pet, and everyone would find that natural.
I'm a ferret owner, and I see some ferret owners thinking, that if they have
ferrets they could also have a mink. Nothing is less true !

Nanny

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[Sherry]

>Yeah, that's why they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>Releasing these animals into the wild pretty much is a death sentence for
>them. If they want folks to stop breeding them, they should focus their
>efforts on education of the general public.
>And no, I don't think ruining somebody's fur coat with paint qualifies as
>education. That's assault and shouldn't be encouraged or promoted.
>
I am very much an anti-fur trade activist, to the extent that I can be, but
even I would never do that. Thankfully, fur isn't really "in" like it used to
be. The hardest thing for me is our annual black-tie, formal charity auction.
It's a very hoity-toity affair and is designed to bring out the "big money"
and targeted for that group. But the little old blue-haired (very wealthy)
ladies always wear their fur. It just kills me. Not just mink either; even
lynx, and I didn't even know they made coats out of lynx. I almost chew my
tongue off every year to keep from saying something. I know these little old
ladies have had their furs for twenty years and just *wait* for an occasion to
wear them and don't really know better. But it just screams "oxymoron" to wear
fur to a Humane society event.

Sherry

[Marina]

"Sherry " > wrote
> >Yeah, that's why they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
> >Releasing these animals into the wild pretty much is a death sentence for
> >them. If they want folks to stop breeding them, they should focus their
> >efforts on education of the general public.
> >And no, I don't think ruining somebody's fur coat with paint qualifies as
> >education. That's assault and shouldn't be encouraged or promoted.
> >
> I am very much an anti-fur trade activist, to the extent that I can be,
but
> even I would never do that. Thankfully, fur isn't really "in" like it used
to
> be. The hardest thing for me is our annual black-tie, formal charity
auction.
> It's a very hoity-toity affair and is designed to bring out the "big
money"
> and targeted for that group. But the little old blue-haired (very wealthy)
> ladies always wear their fur. It just kills me. Not just mink either; even
> lynx, and I didn't even know they made coats out of lynx. I almost chew my
> tongue off every year to keep from saying something. I know these little
old
> ladies have had their furs for twenty years and just *wait* for an
occasion to
> wear them and don't really know better. But it just screams "oxymoron" to
wear
> fur to a Humane society event.

Argh! I don't think I could hold my tongue. It's illegal to hunt lynx here,
but maybe it's legal over there? I sincerely hope they don't farm lynx for
their fur. <shudder>

--
Marina

[Sherry]

>Argh! I don't think I could hold my tongue. It's illegal to hunt lynx here,
>but maybe it's legal over there? I sincerely hope they don't farm lynx for
>their fur. <shudder>
>
>--
>Marina
>
It probably is now. I'm guessing these little old ladies have owned these coats
for decades. Just out of curiousity I did a search just now on e-bay, keywords
"lynx coat." Several came up. Looking at them just made me sick, just sick.
They are such magnificent animals. I've always had a real affinity for them and
have been searching recently for lynx artwork.

Sherry

[Marina]

"Sherry " > wrote
> >
> It probably is now. I'm guessing these little old ladies have owned these
coats
> for decades. Just out of curiousity I did a search just now on e-bay,
keywords
> "lynx coat." Several came up. Looking at them just made me sick, just
sick.
> They are such magnificent animals. I've always had a real affinity for
them and
> have been searching recently for lynx artwork.

Yes, I love them too. Lynx are the only wild cat we have here in
Scandinavia. I would love to see anything you find.

--
Marina

[Adrian]

Marina wrote:
> "Sherry " > wrote
>>>
>> It probably is now. I'm guessing these little old ladies have owned
>> these coats for decades. Just out of curiousity I did a search just
>> now on e-bay, keywords "lynx coat." Several came up. Looking at
>> them just made me sick, just sick. They are such magnificent
>> animals. I've always had a real affinity for them and have been
>> searching recently for lynx artwork.
>
> Yes, I love them too. Lynx are the only wild cat we have here in
> Scandinavia. I would love to see anything you find.

The Lynx was once native to Britain, sadly it was wiped out by humans
centuries ago.:-(
--
Adrian
Fur is worn by beautiful animals and ugly people.

[CK]

Sherry wrote:
> They are such magnificent animals. I've always had a real affinity for them and
> have been searching recently for lynx artwork.
>

Some artwork coming up:
http://www.duncanmcfarlane.ns.ca/animals.html
http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/PD--10008077/poster.htm?RFID=633434

There also used to be a lady posting pics of her own artwork (drawings)
on abpa, but I haven't seen her around there for some time now. I think
her name was Diane Lee. She also had a website, but I can't find it now.
Her work was really awesome!

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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Christine in Vantaa, Finland (Europe)
Email: christal63(at)yahoo(dot)com
Photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63

[Steve Touchstone]

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:40:28 +0100, "Adrian" > wrote:

>Adrian
>Fur is worn by beautiful animals and ugly people.

Love that sig - and how true

[LOL]

(Sherry ) wrote in message >...

But the little old blue-haired (very wealthy)
> ladies always wear their fur. It just kills me. Not just mink either; even
> lynx, and I didn't even know they made coats out of lynx. I almost chew my
> tongue off every year to keep from saying something. I know these little old
> ladies have had their furs for twenty years and just *wait* for an occasion to
> wear them and don't really know better. But it just screams "oxymoron" to wear
> fur to a Humane society event.
>
> Sherry



Oh. My. God. This is the sort of thing that, regrettably, makes me
laugh really hard. Out loud. It's a good thing I am not attending
any such event; I would offend the old ladies terribly. :-P

------
Krista
Who inherited a mink stole from a great-grandmother, and though I know
these minks died long before I was born, and I am not responsible in
any way for the existence of this garment, I can't bring myself even
to keep it in the house.

[Christine Burel]

"LOL" > wrote in message
om...
> (Sherry ) wrote in message
>...
>
> But the little old blue-haired (very wealthy)
> > ladies always wear their fur. It just kills me. Not just mink either;
even
> > lynx, and I didn't even know they made coats out of lynx. I almost chew
my
> > tongue off every year to keep from saying something. I know these little
old
> > ladies have had their furs for twenty years and just *wait* for an
occasion to
> > wear them and don't really know better. But it just screams "oxymoron"
to wear
> > fur to a Humane society event.
> >
> > Sherry
>
>
>
> Oh. My. God. This is the sort of thing that, regrettably, makes me
> laugh really hard. Out loud. It's a good thing I am not attending
> any such event; I would offend the old ladies terribly. :-P
>
> ------
> Krista
> Who inherited a mink stole from a great-grandmother, and though I know
> these minks died long before I was born, and I am not responsible in
> any way for the existence of this garment, I can't bring myself even
> to keep it in the house.

I know my mother is one of those little old lady types and has various furs;
she does not get it that I will never wear one. In fact, this thread just
gave me the idea that when she does die, I'll sell those fur coats and
donate the money to an animal charity.
Christine

[Marina]

"LOL" > wrote

> Who inherited a mink stole from a great-grandmother, and though I know
> these minks died long before I was born, and I am not responsible in
> any way for the existence of this garment, I can't bring myself even
> to keep it in the house.

How about giving it to Mikey to kill? ;o)

--
Marina

[Sherry]

>Oh. My. God. This is the sort of thing that, regrettably, makes me
>laugh really hard. Out loud. It's a good thing I am not attending
>any such event; I would offend the old ladies terribly. :-P
>
>------
>Krista

Oh, yeah, talk about offending the little old blue-hairs. It takes every bit of
restraint I have in my whole body to keep from saying, "May I take your coat,
Ma'am? And bury it in the back yard where dead animals belong?"

Sherry

[Sherry]

>Some artwork coming up:
>http://www.duncanmcfarlane.ns.ca/animals.html
>http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/PD--10008077/poster.htm?RFID=633434

Oh, wow, the drawings in that first link are reallly beautiful. I love the
wolves too.
But the second one, the "Dozing Lynx", I've seen it before. It bothers me for
some reason. I think maybe it's because the lynx looks cold. (which, I know he
probably isnt). And that hunched posture, with his eyes closed, that's how our
house-cats look when they're sick!!

Sherry

[Diane]

I love all wild animals... in particular wild cats. In North America we
have three indigenous species of wild cats... the Cougar, the Lynx, and the
Bobcat. Here is some info on the North American Lynx that you might find
interesting reading...

Description and Behavior
The Canada lynx has a flared facial ruff, black ear tufts, and long hind
legs which lend a slightly stooped posture. The pelage is reddish-brown to
grey; the hairs are tipped with white which gives the fur a frosted
appearance. There is a rare pallid color phase which suggests partial
albinism, known as the blue lynx in the fur trade (Quinn and Parker 1987).
The Canada lynx's large spreading feet act like snowshoes, and are twice as
effective at supporting its weight on snow as those of the bobcat (Parker et
al. 1983).

The lynxes show remarkable similarity of appearance compared to other
related groups of cats, and the Canada lynx is often treated as conspecific
with the Eurasian lynx (Kurtén and Rausch 1959, Tumlison 1987). However, the
Canada lynx is only half the size of the Eurasian lynx: average adult weight
of Canada lynx males is 10.7 kg (n=201) and females 8.9 kg (n=183) (U.
Breitenmoser and C. Breitenmoser-W&uumal;rsten in prep.). While the Canada
lynx is probably a descendant of a Eurasian lynx ancestor which migrated
into North America during one of the last two major glacial periods
(Werdelin 1981, 1983b), the Breitenmosers (in prep.) argue convincingly that
the two should be considered separate species, as they now show marked
adaptive differences for prey capture. Whereas the larger Eurasian lynx
preys mainly on ungulates, the Canada lynx relies almost exclusively on
snowshoe hares, and is uniquely adapted, both behaviorally and
physiologically, to exploit a cyclic prey base.

Among felid predator-prey relationships, there are none as closely tied as
that between the hare and the Canada lynx (Van Zyll de Jong 1966, Nellis et
al. 1972, Brand and Keith 1979, Parker et al. 1983, Ward and Krebs 1985).
The lynx-hare cycle was first discovered from harvest records of the Hudson'
s Bay Company dating back to the 1800s (Elton and Nicholson 1942: Figure 6).
Numbers of snowshoe hares peak approximately every ten years, and lynx
numbers follow the same pattern with a short lag, typically one to two years
(Keith 1963, Bulmer 1974). While the populations of many prey and predator
species are cyclic and roughly synchronous in the northern latitudes, the
snowshoe hare and lynx correlation is particularly close (Keith 1963,
Mallory 1987: Figure 7). The amplitude of the lynx population cycle is
greater than that of any other predator (Bulmer 1974), and lynx density
during cyclic highs and lows can differ by up to 15-fold (Breitenmoser et
al. 1993b). As hares decline, fewer lynx breed, producing smaller litters
with few, if any, surviving kits. As hares increase, so do lynx reproduction
and recruitment rates (Nellis et al. 1972, Brand and Keith 1979, Parker et
al. 1983, O'Connor 1984, Slough and Ward 1990, Breitenmoser et al. 1993b,
Mowat 1993). In captivity, female lynx do not show such an early onset of
sexual maturity or such high litter sizes as during hare peaks in the wild
(Breitenmoser et al. 1993b). While lynx will switch prey during periods when
hares are scarce (Brand et al. 1976), turning to small rodents, ground birds
and, exceptionally, ungulates such as white-tailed deer, caribou, and Dall
sheep (Saunders 1963, Bergerud 1983, Stephenson et al. 1991), lynx
populations only reach high densities when supported by snowshoe hares
(Brand and Keith 1979, Mech 1980, Ward and Krebs 1985).

There are several competing hypotheses to explain the hare cycle. The most
widely accepted explanation is that winter food shortage (Keith 1974)
depresses hare reproduction (Carey and Keith 1979) at the population peak
and starts the cyclic downturn, and hare numbers are subsequently further
reduced due to predation (Keith et al. 1984, Boutin et al. 1986). Gilpin
(1973) and Schaffer (1984) modelled harvest data mathematically, and
concluded that the cycle is more complex than a simple predator-prey
interaction, involving at least a third additional factor. Another suggested
influence involves changes in the nutritional quality of vegetation in
response to hare browsing (Bryant 1981, Sinclair and Smith 1984, Bryant et
al. 1985). Nevertheless, in some areas, hares have declined even when food
resources appear sufficient (Keith et al. 1984, Krebs et al. 1986).
Preliminary results achieved from long-term field experiments (Krebs et al.
1992) now favor the hypothesis that predation alone, by a variety of
specialist and generalist carnivores, is the driving force behind the cycle,
as has been suggested for microtine rodents (Hanski et al. 1991).


Population Status
Global: Category 4
Regional: Category 3
IUCN: Not Listed

The status of the lynx is generally satisfactory (Quinn and Parker 1987,
Govt. of Canada 1988). In Canada, it is considered endangered only in New
Brunswick, and has been extirpated from Prince Edward Island and mainland
Nova Scotia. The largest populations are found in southern Quebec, northern
Alberta, northern British Columbia, Yukon, the Northwest Territories and
Alaska (Govt. of Canada 1988; K. Poole, B. Slough in litt. 1993), although
there is some concern that trapping pressure during the 1970s-1980s has
reduced population levels (see Part II Chapter 4).

The main US lynx population is found in Alaska. Elsewhere, they are more
sparsely distributed, occurring in low numbers in the states of Washington,
Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, New York
(reintroduced), Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, with the largest
populations in the Rocky Mountains. Washington state recently listed the
lynx as Threatened, and will take more active measures to aid population
recovery (Anon. 1994b). Much of the lynx's American range consists of
National Forest lands (Koehler 1990b).

Lynx density fluctuates dramatically with the hare cycle (Breitenmoser et
al. 1993b). An ongoing long-term study of an unexploited population in good
quality habitat in the Yukon found densities of 2.8 individuals (including
kittens) per 100 km2 during the hare low, and 37.2 per 100 km2 during the
peak (G. Mowat and B. Slough, unpubl. data). Poole (1994) obtained very
similar figures for his study area in the North-West Terrritories: 30 lynx
per 100 km2 at the peak, and around 3/100 km2 the winter following the hare
crash. In the south of their range, where snowshoe hare populations appear
to be non-cyclic and stable at low densities, Koehler (1990a) reported lynx
density at 2.6 individuals per 100 km2 (north-central Washington). The study
was conducted in mature coniferous forest where fires had been suppressed,
and the early successional growth preferred by snowshoe hares was limited to
isolated pockets.

Home range sizes for lynx range from 4-25 km2 for females, and 4-70 km2 for
males (G. Mowat and B. Slough, unpubl. data). On the Kenai peninsula,
Alaska, Kesterson (1988) found larger home ranges - 107 km2 for females and
225 km2 for males -- but seasonal ranges were smaller, with females only 9.4
km2 in summer. Male ranges usually encompass those of females (Saunders
1963, Berrie 1973, Parker et al. 1983, Ward and Krebs 1985, Kesterson 1988,
Slough and Ward 1990), but same-sex overlap has also been found (Berrie
1973, Mech 1980, Carbyn and Patriquin 1983, Noiseux and Doucet 1987; G.
Mowat, B. Slough and K. Poole unpubl. data). Breitenmoser et al. (1993b)
suggest that same-sex overlap reflects a high degree of tolerance of
independent offspring by resident lynx, another unusual adaptation of the
Canada lynx to a predictably cyclic prey base.Protection Status
Protection Status: CITES Appendix II

National legislation:
Managed for exploitation over most of its range

In Canada, trapping is regulated through closed seasons, quotas, limited
entry and long-term trapping concessions. (See Part II Chapter 4 for a more
detailed discussion of harvest management.) In the United States, trapping
is permitted only in Alaska, Idaho, and Montana (Koehler 1990b)

Diane :))

[Marina]

"Diane" > wrote
>
> The lynxes show remarkable similarity of appearance compared to other
> related groups of cats, and the Canada lynx is often treated as
conspecific
> with the Eurasian lynx (Kurtén and Rausch 1959,

LOL! Why am I not surprised that my Dad's name appears in this context?
There is even a prehistoric lynx named after him - Lynx Kurtén.

--
Marina

[Marina]

"Victor M. Martinez" > wrote in
>
> Your dad's a paleontologist? Cool!

He was until he passed away in 1988.

--
Marina, who grew up in a house full of fossil bones

[Victor M. Martinez]

Marina > wrote:
>Marina, who grew up in a house full of fossil bones

That's got to be very cool... one of my sisters is a geologist and she has
all kinds of cool rocks and fossils in her house. Tom has a collection of
fossils we've found in the streams here in Texas. What is now Texas used
to be underwater, so there's all kinds of clams and other sea creatures
fossilized in the limestone that's so abundant here. I love going fossil-
hunting in the winter.


--
Victor M. Martinez

http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv

[Marina]

"Victor M. Martinez" > wrote
>
> That's got to be very cool... one of my sisters is a geologist and she has
> all kinds of cool rocks and fossils in her house. Tom has a collection of
> fossils we've found in the streams here in Texas. What is now Texas used
> to be underwater, so there's all kinds of clams and other sea creatures
> fossilized in the limestone that's so abundant here. I love going fossil-
> hunting in the winter.

I remember going fossil hunting on a beach when I lived in the US as a
child - don't remember where the beach was, though. Hardly in Massachusetts,
where we were living. We did take a trip over the continent, from the
Niagara falls down to the Mexican border (didn't visit Mexico, though. :o(
It's still on my list of places to visit). So the beach was somewhere
between the two. ;o)

Our granite rock here in Finland is too hard for there to be a lot of
fossils here, so my Dad had to travel all over the world to dig for them. At
the time when I was born, he was in Tunisia at a large dig. He was often
away when I was little, but he was always thinking of us. I still have heaps
of cards from exotic places that he sent me.

--
Marina, taking loooong trip down memory lane and missing Daddy

[David Yehudah]

On the south side of Ciudad Juarez is a hill that looks as if it's
wearing a crown. It's about a mile above sea level. Once I climbed it
just for the heck of it and found that the 'crown' is the remains of an
ancient coral reef! For those of you who don't know, Ciudad Juarez is in
Mexico across the river from El Paso, Texas.

Victor M. Martinez wrote:
> Marina > wrote:
>
>>Marina, who grew up in a house full of fossil bones
>
>
> That's got to be very cool... one of my sisters is a geologist and she has
> all kinds of cool rocks and fossils in her house. Tom has a collection of
> fossils we've found in the streams here in Texas. What is now Texas used
> to be underwater, so there's all kinds of clams and other sea creatures
> fossilized in the limestone that's so abundant here. I love going fossil-
> hunting in the winter.
>
>

[LOL]

"Marina" > wrote in message >...
> "Victor M. Martinez" > wrote in
> >
> > Your dad's a paleontologist? Cool!
>
> He was until he passed away in 1988.


Marina, don't you recognize the opportunity for a plug? :-P

I have read a couple of Marina's dad's books (one fiction, one non)
and they are *very* interesting and well-written. Quite a few are
available on amazon.com, and I do intend to get around to ordering
more of them one of these days.

------
Krista
Who hopes Marina doesn't mind my posting this

[Sherry]

><giggle> That's a thought - I like Christine's idea, too. I can't do
>either one, though, while my grandmother is still living. Though it
>wasn't her fur, and though she sort of understands my not wanting it,
>getting rid of the thing would bother her considerably.
>
>------
>Krista
>
>
>
>
>
>

><giggle> That's a thought - I like Christine's idea, too. I can't do
>either one, though, while my grandmother is still living. Though it
>wasn't her fur, and though she sort of understands my not wanting it,
>getting rid of the thing would bother her considerably.
>
>------
>Krista
>
Heh. You reminded me of my grandmother and her "mooton" (I have no idea how to
spell that) coat. What the heck *was* mooton, anyway? Fake something or other?

Sherry

[Marina]

"LOL" > wrote
>
>
> Marina, don't you recognize the opportunity for a plug? :-P
>
> I have read a couple of Marina's dad's books (one fiction, one non)
> and they are *very* interesting and well-written. Quite a few are
> available on amazon.com, and I do intend to get around to ordering
> more of them one of these days.
>
> ------
> Krista
> Who hopes Marina doesn't mind my posting this

I don't mind at all, but you see, I can't plug them myself, because I *do*
have an economic interest here. ;o)

If you loan them at libraries, I get nothing. Except if you loan them at a
Swedish library, because they pay us for every loan. <hint, hint>

--
Marina

[Helen Wheels]

Sherry wrote:

>
> Heh. You reminded me of my grandmother and her "mooton" (I have no idea how to
> spell that) coat. What the heck *was* mooton, anyway? Fake something or other?
>
> Sherry

I believe mouton=sheep in French
Helen Wheels

[Victor M. Martinez]

LOL > wrote:
>I have read a couple of Marina's dad's books (one fiction, one non)

Bjon Kurten?

>and they are *very* interesting and well-written. Quite a few are
>available on amazon.com, and I do intend to get around to ordering

Ooohhhh.... Pleistocene Mammals of North America!!!

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http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv

[lewe]

"Marina" > wrote in message
...
> Will do. :oD Here's a short bio with a select bibliography at the end.
It's
> not very extensive, and it doesn't list all the books that he wrote in
> English by other than their Swedish and Finnish name.
>
> http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/bkurten.htm

Thanks, did he write in Swedish (Finnish?) as well as English then?
just trying to avoid a translation when I can ...
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[Victor M. Martinez]

"Marina" > wrote in message
> http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/bkurten.htm

Ok, now I'm definitely going to order those sci-fi books, they look very
interesting. Tom will really enjoy them, he's a history buff and loves all
things prehistoric too!

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[Marina]

"Victor M. Martinez" > wrote
>
> Ok, now I'm definitely going to order those sci-fi books, they look very
> interesting. Tom will really enjoy them, he's a history buff and loves all
> things prehistoric too!

If you ever have the time, I would love you to read the translation into
Spanish of The Dance of the Tiger. In fact, I think my Mum has several free
copies of that left, so I could send you one. I'd be interested to hear what
you think of the translation La Danza del Tigre.

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Marina

[lewe]

"Marina" > wrote in message
...
> He usually wrote in Swedish and English at the same time. OK, not *at the
> same time* as in writing one language with one hand and the other with the
> other. ;o) But something like a chapter in one language, then the same
> chapter in the other language, and so on. Some of the stuff he only wrote
in
> either language, but if it exists in both languages, they are both his
work.
> Except for his last book of essays, The Innocent Assasins, which he hadn't
> written completely in English by the time he passed away, so that's partly
> translated by another person.

ah, good - thanks! that's great.
I have on occasion started to read a Swedish translation and put the book
away in frustration and then really liked the English original
I just wish I could read more languages ... but I normally go for an English
translation since I suppose more effort is put in to that and the author
might have some control at least. Swedish is such a tiny language after all
....

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[Hopitus2]

Mouton - "mutton"! ROFL!

"Helen Wheels" > wrote in message
...
: Sherry wrote:
:
: >
: > Heh. You reminded me of my grandmother and her "mooton" (I have no idea
how to
: > spell that) coat. What the heck *was* mooton, anyway? Fake something or
other?
: >
: > Sherry
:
: I believe mouton=sheep in French
: Helen Wheels
:

[Tanada]

"Victor M. Martinez" wrote:
>
> "Marina" > wrote in message
> > http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/bkurten.htm
>
> Ok, now I'm definitely going to order those sci-fi books, they look very
> interesting. Tom will really enjoy them, he's a history buff and loves all
> things prehistoric too!
>
>

Me too. I bet Jean Auel has every one of his books in her research
library.

Pam S. who loves pre-history, as well as history.

[Tanada]

Marina wrote:
>
> "Diane" > wrote
> >
> > The lynxes show remarkable similarity of appearance compared to other
> > related groups of cats, and the Canada lynx is often treated as
> conspecific
> > with the Eurasian lynx (Kurtén and Rausch 1959,
>
> LOL! Why am I not surprised that my Dad's name appears in this context?
> There is even a prehistoric lynx named after him - Lynx Kurtén.
>
>

I don't know why, but I'd assumed that your father had been a diplomat.
I would explain the many countries and all the different languages you
speak fluently. (I'm still working out Yehudah's fluency in languages,
parentage, probably) I never knew he was an Paleontologist. Sigh, I
bet conversations around you dinner table must have been interesting to
say the least. "Dear, pass me a slice of that roast turkey, please.
Did I tell you that we identified that leg bone today? It's from an
"insert scientific name here". It looks like it had been gnawed by a
rat, but I can't be certain until we measure the chaw marks."

Pam S. who would have loved to be there for the conversation, but
probably said something stupid and stopped all talk.

PS. I'm a mutt (many different ancestries, though the only one we can
currently trace runs through Poznan Poland), and can't speak any
language worth a d*mn. Including my own.

[CK]

Tanada wrote:
>
> PS. I'm a mutt (many different ancestries, though the only one we can
> currently trace runs through Poznan Poland), and can't speak any
> language worth a d*mn. Including my own.

I'm a mutt too, mum's a bilingual Finn (Swedish-Finnish). Dad's
German-Russian, born in Finland, lived his youth in what now is Poland
(not far from Poznan actually, about 100km to the south, in a little
town called Rawicz), but back then was Germany, came back to Finland
away from the war and became a Finnish citizen at age 14, and he still
speaks Finnish like a foreigner... :) Me OTOH am a language nut, which I
probably have from my granddad. He was fluent in 7 languages - me only
in 4, but there's still time... :)

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[Tanada]

CK wrote:
>
>
> I'm a mutt too, mum's a bilingual Finn (Swedish-Finnish). Dad's
> German-Russian, born in Finland, lived his youth in what now is Poland
> (not far from Poznan actually, about 100km to the south, in a little
> town called Rawicz), but back then was Germany, came back to Finland
> away from the war and became a Finnish citizen at age 14, and he still
> speaks Finnish like a foreigner... :) Me OTOH am a language nut, which I
> probably have from my granddad. He was fluent in 7 languages - me only
> in 4, but there's still time... :)
>
>

OK, that is just WRONG. I grew up hearing both English and German
(mostly curse words, but German), and can usually get the gist of a lot
of different languages when I read/hear them being spoken slowly. But I
can't speak any of them. Rob is the opposite, he lived in Germany from
18 mos to 5 years old and spoke German fluently, having been in a
Kindergarten. He can't remember any of it, but he can make himself
understood and interpret Hungul (Korean), German, Spanish (Honduras),
Arabic, and whatever else. He's just good at it. It makes me so
frustrated.

Pam S.

[William Hamblen]

In article >, Jette Goldie wrote:

> "Sherry " > wrote
>> Heh. You reminded me of my grandmother and her "mooton" (I have no idea
> how to
>> spell that) coat. What the heck *was* mooton, anyway? Fake something or
> other?
>
>
> Sort of tightly kinked curls of fur?
>
> I think it might be what is also called "persian lamb".

Mouton is a French sheep for what it's worth. Mouton coats are
sheepskin.

[Jean H]

I think the tiger is one of if not the most beautiful on earth, I'm
I'm simply blown away by their beauty jp
"Steve Touchstone" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:40:28 +0100, "Adrian" > wrote:
>
> >Adrian
> >Fur is worn by beautiful animals and ugly people.
>
> Love that sig - and how true

[CK]

Tanada wrote:
> CK wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm a mutt too, mum's a bilingual Finn (Swedish-Finnish). Dad's
>>German-Russian, born in Finland, lived his youth in what now is Poland
>>(not far from Poznan actually, about 100km to the south, in a little
>>town called Rawicz), but back then was Germany, came back to Finland
>>away from the war and became a Finnish citizen at age 14, and he still
>>speaks Finnish like a foreigner... :) Me OTOH am a language nut, which I
>>probably have from my granddad. He was fluent in 7 languages - me only
>>in 4, but there's still time... :)
>>
>
> OK, that is just WRONG. I grew up hearing both English and German
> (mostly curse words, but German), and can usually get the gist of a lot
> of different languages when I read/hear them being spoken slowly. But I
> can't speak any of them. Rob is the opposite, he lived in Germany from
> 18 mos to 5 years old and spoke German fluently, having been in a
> Kindergarten. He can't remember any of it, but he can make himself
> understood and interpret Hungul (Korean), German, Spanish (Honduras),
> Arabic, and whatever else. He's just good at it. It makes me so
> frustrated.
>

Well then Rob is like me, languages stick to us. But then again I'm
totally useless in higher mathematics - never could grasp the
logarithms, tangents and what have you's... nope, languages are my
thing. And after all, I *did* go to the German school from kindergarden
till graduation, which explains my German, apart from it being in my
blood. And I also *did* work for 4 years at the Canadian Embassy in
Helsinki, which had a very beneficial effect on my English and partly my
French too (which is *not* fluent!).

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