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Tater Cole
September 30th 11, 10:45 PM
So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Bill Graham
September 30th 11, 11:01 PM
Tater Cole wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Just don't go hiking on the Iranian border withour your compasses.......:^)

HeyBub[_2_]
September 30th 11, 11:03 PM
Tater Cole wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Re: Cats
Check with the nearest consulate office of the countries you will be
visiting. Some countries may prohibit importing animals, almost all will
require a document from your vet as to the general health and innoculations
of your pets.

When you get on the plane, tell the flight attendant to be sure and tell the
pilot you are traveling with an animal in the cargo bay. When suitably
informed, the pilot will flip the "dead dog switch" which will keep the
cargo hold heated. Without that switch, you will end up with a frozen kitty.

On the other hand, cats don't travel well. They don't like it. They really
don't like it. They will be traumatized for a month.

Matthew[_3_]
September 30th 11, 11:06 PM
"Tater Cole" > wrote in message
...
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

I take it you are traveling from across the pond since you posted in travel
Europe. IF so the answer is yes but under restrictions Hawaii has a new 5
day period of quarantine but can go upto 120 days of that. I will give you
fair warning it will be a hassle and expensive on your part plus you take
the risk of your pets being exposed to other animals in the area of holding.
US customs are not a pet hotel

http://www.petsonthego.com/impus.html
http://www.immihelp.com/immigration/pets.html
http://www.pettravel.com/immigration/UnitedStates.cfm
http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/info



As for helicopter tours yes in advance is the best it can be cheaper

trust me Google senior things to do in Hawaii there is so much to list

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy
September 30th 11, 11:12 PM
"Tater Cole" > wrote

> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour?

I'd google them first. One of the helicopter tour companies has a
horrible safety record (I forget which one).

> What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Sure. The easiest way is to put them in a large purse.

--Tedward

30/09/11
September 30th 11, 11:28 PM
In article >,
Tater Cole > wrote:

> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour?

never make reservations at tourist locations, this lets you have more
"adventures"



> What should we see and do while we are there?

The ice caves and the desert tombs


> Can we take our cats?

Only if you live to visit kennels

Higgs Boson
September 30th 11, 11:30 PM
On Sep 30, 2:45*pm, Tater Cole > wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

As a certified cat owner (Hah! Who owns whom??!!) I beg you not to
subject the "kids" to the discomforts and rigors of travel. Put them
in a cat boarding house, if you can't find a neighbor or friend to
come in & feed them. Are they indoor, outdoor, or both? That has a
huge bearing on their home care. If they are strictly indoor, you
need a reliable person to come in, or put them in a cat boarding
situation.

Trust me, you will have a much better time if you don't have to worry
about the cats plus all the bureaucratic stuff others have mentioned
re: foreign travel.

HB

MoParMan
September 30th 11, 11:32 PM
"Tater Cole" wrote in message
...

So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

I'm in the same boat about what to do since I can't hike too far anymore
with a fake hip. So we bought a bright red Goldwing and have been traveling
around the country. We stay at biker places, usually low rent, and great
greasy food, and cheap beer. I'm thinking about getting a tattoo now, was
thinking of something cool, like a marijuana leaf or a coke spoon.

Whatcha think? It's a hell of lot more fun than Hawaii.

---Scott From Hawkins Texas---

If Government Is Big Enough To Give You Everything You Want,
Then It Is Big Enough To Take Everything You Have!!

Oren
October 1st 11, 12:00 AM
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Tater Cole
> wrote:

>So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
>a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
>means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
>distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
>are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
>advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
>do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

You get a lei at the airport.

You would fly into Honolulu and then on into Maui (short hop).

You mean "Luau". Yes go and enjoy the food and entertainment. They
start at sun down.

Video:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiScHjLQ9nE>

Find an open bus tour around the island. They stop in interesting
places: pineapple farms, beaches and other places related to the
culture. Each island is different.

They will quarantine the cat. Be sure not to take any seeds, plants,
fruits or other potentially dangerous things on the islands. Hawaii is
very strict on introduction of such items.

Antonio Veranos
October 1st 11, 12:28 AM
[Higgs Boson, ]
[Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:30:42 -0700 (PDT)]

: As a certified cat owner (Hah! Who owns whom??!!) I beg you not to
: subject the "kids" to the discomforts and rigors of travel. Put them

The poster to whom you're responding is one of those disgusting pit bull
owners who has bragged in the past about one of his animals successfully
chasing down and brutally killing a cat. In other words, he's trolling.

--
Antonio Veranos

<insert witty comment here>

Peter Moylan
October 1st 11, 01:00 AM
Tater Cole wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

You could take cats to a luau, but it's more common to take pigs.

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.

Tony Lima
October 1st 11, 01:50 AM
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Tater Cole
> wrote:

>So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
>a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
>means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
>distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
>are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
>advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
>do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

My wife and I have travelled to Maui about ten times in the
last six years. Please e-mail me if you're interested in
serious advice. BTW, depending on your departure location,
there may well be direct flights to Maui.

Kaanapali and Wailea are places to avoid unless you meet one
of the following requirements:

1. a serious golf addiction
2. love of really nice, well-designed swimming pools (the
Westin can't be beat)
3. Your wife is 20 years younger than you and has had
significant surgical enhancements.
4. Your idea of a vacation is to hang out with the high
spenders in really luxurious surroundings.

The one exception is the Best Western Pioneer Inn in Lahaina
(http://www.pioneerinnmaui.com/). Best breakfast in town
and an incredibly low price. No guarantee about the quality
of the lodgings, however. We've never stayed there. - Tony
Tony

Tony Lima
October 1st 11, 01:52 AM
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Tater Cole
> wrote:

>Can we take our cats?

For decades Hawaii has had some of the most stringent animal
quarantine laws in the world. They're trying to keep rabies
out of the islands. My advice is to check with the Hawaii
Tour and Convention Bureau and follow their advice
carefully.

Short answer: almost certainly not unless you want them to
be kept in jail at the airport with limited visiting
privileges for you. - Tony

R H Draney
October 1st 11, 01:58 AM
Tater Cole filted:
>
>So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
>a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
>means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
>distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
>are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
>advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
>do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Only if they are under three fluid ounces and fit into a zip-lock plastic
bag....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

Higgs Boson
October 1st 11, 02:11 AM
On Sep 30, 4:28*pm, Antonio Veranos > wrote:
> [Higgs Boson, ]
> [Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:30:42 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> : As a certified cat owner (Hah! *Who owns whom??!!) *I beg you not to
> : subject the "kids" to the discomforts and rigors of travel. *Put them
>
> The poster to whom you're responding is one of those disgusting pit bull
> owners who has bragged in the past about one of his animals successfully
> chasing down and brutally killing a cat. *In other words, he's trolling..
>
> --
> Antonio Veranos
>
> <insert witty comment here>

Ow! I had no clue. Me, the eternal innocent...

HB

Oren
October 1st 11, 02:11 AM
On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:52:16 -0700, Tony Lima >
wrote:

>For decades Hawaii has had some of the most stringent animal
>quarantine laws in the world. They're trying to keep rabies
>out of the islands.

And frogs.

"The coqui frog, Eleutherodactylus coqui Thomas (Anura:
Leptodactylidae), was accidentally introduced into Hawai'i from Puerto
Rico in about 1988. Aside from being a major noise nuisance, the frogs
pose a threat to Hawai'i’s island ecosystem. Coqui frogs have a
voracious appetite that puts Hawai'i’s unique insects and spiders at
risk. They can also compete with endemic birds and other native fauna
that rely on insects for food."

<http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/coqui/background.asp>

When the locals can't sleep at night they go out with flashlights to
capture and kill them.

The Honolulu airport has a "last chance" contraband barrel. Walk past
it and risk going to jail, almost forever...

Stormin Mormon[_2_]
October 1st 11, 02:46 AM
I'm with you, they should leave the cats home. But, please
help me figure this out. What country is Maui in? I thought
it's in the same country that gave us B. Hussein Obama?
Supposedly? You know. Barry Sotero.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Higgs Boson" >
wrote in message
...

Trust me, you will have a much better time if you don't have
to worry
about the cats plus all the bureaucratic stuff others have
mentioned
re: foreign travel.

HB

Stormin Mormon[_2_]
October 1st 11, 02:47 AM
Ah, but cats taste like chicken. And you won't get killed by
Muslims.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Peter Moylan" > wrote in
message
...

> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should
> we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

You could take cats to a luau, but it's more common to take
pigs.

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.

Antonio Veranos
October 1st 11, 02:56 AM
[Mercellus Bohren, ]
[Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:21:19 -0700 (PDT)]

: > : As a certified cat owner (Hah! Who owns whom??!!) I beg you not to
: > : subject the "kids" to the discomforts and rigors of travel. Put them
: >
: > The poster to whom you're responding is one of those disgusting pit bull
: > owners who has bragged in the past about one of his animals successfully
: > chasing down and brutally killing a cat. In other words, he's trolling.

: What part of FERAL do you not understand dip****?

I understand it just fine. Your dumbass dog didn't, nor did you when
you posted your Proud Papa story about your nasty creature killing one.

: If stupid cat owners would get their animals spayed and neutered
: and/or keep them in the house all the time, there wouldn't be 15 to 20
: FERAL cats in my neighborhood.

Suuuuure, there are. Even if there are, when one of these cats charges
down an adult human and kills them for no apparent reason, let me know.

: When a FERAL cat gets in the yard with a dog, bad things occasionally
: happen. At least I don't go around bragging that I would personally
: kill someone's animals, like you have in the past.

There wasn't any bragging involved. You can't be bothered to have even
the slightest sense of personal responsibility with regard to the
behavior of your dogs, therefore it's left to others to substitute their
maturity for yours (currently absent). At the time, I lived in an area
which had many small children and multiple pit bulls. Any pit bull
running loose through said neighborhood would die. Two did during my
time in that neighborhood, one shot by a neighbor, one by the Sheriff.

Do you not remember (or are you hoping that others forget) that when
discussing a pit bull attack on a dog in its own yard, you actually
tried to rationalize it away by asking what the targeted dog had done to
deserve being attacked, as if that was at all relevant? Such laughable,
childish, escapist nonsense. You are a complete nitwit with regard to
animals, and as I have written in the past, my only real hope for you is
that your stupidity harms no one else, as you can't be trusted to think.

: But, you are absolutely correct, I was trolling a little

Yes, I knew that. The cats group you were passively attacking didn't.

: however I am looking for good information about a future trip to Maui.

Take Buster and Furby with you so that you can pitch them into Haleakala
head-first, and the world will be less two pits. If you yourself go in
after them, then it will be less one fool.. but I wouldn't suggest that.

--
Antonio Veranos

<insert witty comment here>

Runge 131
October 1st 11, 09:14 AM
Crosspost crap from asome bored guy and of course other bored people just
looooove to answer


"Tater Cole" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
...

So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

tim....
October 1st 11, 11:24 AM
"Higgs Boson" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 30, 4:28 pm, Antonio Veranos > wrote:
> [Higgs Boson, ]
> [Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:30:42 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> : As a certified cat owner (Hah! Who owns whom??!!) I beg you not to
> : subject the "kids" to the discomforts and rigors of travel. Put them
>
> The poster to whom you're responding is one of those disgusting pit bull
> owners who has bragged in the past about one of his animals successfully
> chasing down and brutally killing a cat. In other words, he's trolling.
>
> --
> Antonio Veranos
>
> <insert witty comment here>

Ow! I had no clue. Me, the eternal innocent...

----------------------------------------------------------

The other clue was in the completely inappropriate set of groups that he
spammed (except the cats one)

tim

dadiOH
October 1st 11, 03:56 PM
Tater Cole wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

I lived in Hawaii for nearly 40 years. Hawaii consists of mountains,
valleys, beaches, ocean and some populated areas. All can be interesting.
On Maui, a few of the touristy things - in no particular order - are...

1. Hale'a'kala (old volcano). Drive or bike (down, not up for bike)

2. Io needle and valley (yawn)

3. Lahaina, town on the leeward coast. Old whaling town...used to be
interesting and quaint, now packed with tourists.

4. Whale watching off Lahaina (only in winter).

5. Luaus. Not authentic but still nice. Once.

6. Deep sea fishing

7. Swimming, snorkeling/aqua lung. Check beach info first, some are
dangerous.

8. Golf (surprise, surprise)

9. Submarine tour. Costs $99 but is well worth it IMO
http://www.allmauitours.com/Cruises-Water-Tours/Submarine-Tours/sbc-2755?pref=02&aid=ltg1420&gclid=CJnM54ndx6sCFQi87QodbiPo9g

10. Hana Ranch. Small resort on windward side, not many tourists get there.
Used to be ne plus ultra - black tie required for dinner, no longer so, not
for decades. Offers horse back riding, barbecues, etc. Sight see the
nearby Seven Sacred Pools. It was listed for sale a few years ago, may have
been sold but imagine it still operates even if so. It is worthwhile going
for a night or two.
http://www.travaasa.com/hana/
http://www.starrynight.net/MauiHana.htm

I have made it from Hana to Lahaina in 2 hours, 10 minutes but that would
normally be a 3-4 hour drive. The road around the north and east is narrow
and winding, very pretty...lots of small waterfalls, tropical vegetation,
etc. Wife & I lived in Honolulu, used to go to Hana with some frequency to
unwind.

More touristy things...
http://adventuremaui.com/?gclid=CMzRyazXx6sCFY1S7AodiWeR2w
____________________

No reason not to make advance reservations for the helicopter but no reason
to do so either.
_____________________

Yes, you can take your cats as long as...

1. You and they meet the very stringent regs for the 5 day quarantine
program
http://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/faq5#q1

- OR -

2. You are willing to pay to quarantine them for 120 days.

I'd leave them at home in either case.


--

dadiOH
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Tater Cole
October 1st 11, 05:07 PM
On Oct 1, 9:56*am, "dadiOH" > wrote:
> Tater Cole wrote:
> > So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> > a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> > means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> > distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> > are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> > advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> > do while we are there? Can we take our cats?
>
> I lived in Hawaii for nearly 40 years. *Hawaii consists of mountains,
> valleys, beaches, ocean and some populated areas. *All can be interesting.
> On Maui, a few of the touristy things - in no particular order - are...
>
> 1. Hale'a'kala (old volcano). *Drive or bike (down, not up for bike)
>
> 2. Io needle and valley (yawn)
>
> 3. Lahaina, town on the leeward coast. *Old whaling town...used to be
> interesting and quaint, now packed with tourists.
>
> 4. Whale watching off Lahaina (only in winter).
>
> 5. Luaus. *Not authentic but still nice. *Once.
>
> 6. Deep sea fishing
>
> 7. Swimming, snorkeling/aqua lung. *Check beach info first, some are
> dangerous.
>
> 8. Golf (surprise, surprise)
>
> 9. Submarine tour. *Costs $99 but is well worth it IMOhttp://www.allmauitours.com/Cruises-Water-Tours/Submarine-Tours/sbc-2...
>
> 10. Hana Ranch. *Small resort on windward side, not many tourists get there.
> Used to be ne plus ultra - black tie required for dinner, no longer so, not
> for decades. *Offers horse back riding, barbecues, etc. *Sight see the
> nearby Seven Sacred Pools. *It was listed for sale a few years ago, may have
> been sold but imagine it still operates even if so. *It is worthwhile going
> for a night or two.http://www.travaasa.com/hana/http://www.starrynight.net/MauiHana.htm
>
> I have made it from Hana to Lahaina in 2 hours, 10 minutes but that would
> normally be a 3-4 hour drive. *The road around the north and east is narrow
> and winding, very pretty...lots of small waterfalls, tropical vegetation,
> etc. *Wife & I lived in Honolulu, used to go to Hana with some frequency to
> unwind.
>
> More touristy things...http://adventuremaui.com/?gclid=CMzRyazXx6sCFY1S7AodiWeR2w
> ____________________
>
> No reason not to make advance reservations for the helicopter but no reason
> to do so either.
> _____________________
>
> Yes, you can take your cats as long as...
>
> 1. You and they meet the very stringent regs for the 5 day quarantine
> programhttp://hawaii.gov/hdoa/ai/aqs/faq5#q1
>
> * * *- OR -
>
> 2. You are willing to pay to quarantine them for 120 days.
>
> I'd leave them at home in either case.
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Thanks for the information. Much appreciated. (I was joking about the
cats.)

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
October 1st 11, 09:53 PM
Tater Cole wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future.

When did Maui move to Europe?

> We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Unless you're planning a permanent move, why would you want to take your
cats? Although, given the nature of the beast, there are always
exceptions to any statement beginning "All cats .... ", most cats find
travel stressful. Why subject them to that when it's not necessary?
The best solution is to hire a cat-sitter to care for them at home
during your absence. Failing that a boarding kennel or your regular
veterinarian.

Bill Graham
October 2nd 11, 12:19 AM
Higgs Boson wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2:45 pm, Tater Cole > wrote:
>> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking
>> across a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors.
>> This means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not
>> too distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW
>> and are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we
>> make advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we
>> see and do while we are there? Can we take our cats?
>
> As a certified cat owner (Hah! Who owns whom??!!) I beg you not to
> subject the "kids" to the discomforts and rigors of travel. Put them
> in a cat boarding house, if you can't find a neighbor or friend to
> come in & feed them. Are they indoor, outdoor, or both? That has a
> huge bearing on their home care. If they are strictly indoor, you
> need a reliable person to come in, or put them in a cat boarding
> situation.
>
> Trust me, you will have a much better time if you don't have to worry
> about the cats plus all the bureaucratic stuff others have mentioned
> re: foreign travel.
>
> HB

Yes. We can fill the bowls with kibbles, leave the fawcett dripping in the
bowl in the kitchen sink, and leave our kids for a week, and when we come
back home, they will all be sleeping in the exact same spots they were in
when we left. I wonder why people keep dogs?

Bill Graham
October 2nd 11, 12:23 AM
Peter Moylan wrote:
> Tater Cole wrote:
>> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking
>> across a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors.
>> This means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not
>> too distant future. We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW
>> and are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we
>> make advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we
>> see and do while we are there? Can we take our cats?
>
> You could take cats to a luau, but it's more common to take pigs.

My wife: "I beg your pardon!"

Bill Graham
October 2nd 11, 12:30 AM
Oren wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:52:16 -0700, Tony Lima >
> wrote:
>
>> For decades Hawaii has had some of the most stringent animal
>> quarantine laws in the world. They're trying to keep rabies
>> out of the islands.
>
> And frogs.
>
> "The coqui frog, Eleutherodactylus coqui Thomas (Anura:
> Leptodactylidae), was accidentally introduced into Hawai'i from Puerto
> Rico in about 1988. Aside from being a major noise nuisance, the frogs
> pose a threat to Hawai'i's island ecosystem. Coqui frogs have a
> voracious appetite that puts Hawai'i's unique insects and spiders at
> risk. They can also compete with endemic birds and other native fauna
> that rely on insects for food."
>
> <http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/coqui/background.asp>
>
> When the locals can't sleep at night they go out with flashlights to
> capture and kill them.


Are they good eating? Distribute a good French recipe for frog legs.......

Oren
October 2nd 11, 12:55 AM
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:19:51 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

> I wonder why people keep dogs?

Easy. Dogs don't meow!

Oren
October 2nd 11, 01:09 AM
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:30:39 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Oren wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:52:16 -0700, Tony Lima >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For decades Hawaii has had some of the most stringent animal
>>> quarantine laws in the world. They're trying to keep rabies
>>> out of the islands.
>>
>> And frogs.
>>
>> "The coqui frog, Eleutherodactylus coqui Thomas (Anura:
>> Leptodactylidae), was accidentally introduced into Hawai'i from Puerto
>> Rico in about 1988. Aside from being a major noise nuisance, the frogs
>> pose a threat to Hawai'i's island ecosystem. Coqui frogs have a
>> voracious appetite that puts Hawai'i's unique insects and spiders at
>> risk. They can also compete with endemic birds and other native fauna
>> that rely on insects for food."
>>
>> <http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/coqui/background.asp>
>>
>> When the locals can't sleep at night they go out with flashlights to
>> capture and kill them.
>
>
>Are they good eating? Distribute a good French recipe for frog legs.......

Can't speak to the cogi frog. I prefer bull frogs legs from the
Everglades (Florida), gigged at night. Be careful with them. The legs
will jump out of the hot frying pan grease when the fresh muscle
contracts.

<http://kenpitts.net/hbio/2010/evolution/bullfrog.jpg>

The legs are huge, like a chicken wing.

<http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/amphibians/american-bullfrog.html>

Ribit!

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
October 2nd 11, 08:08 PM
Oren wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:19:51 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why people keep dogs?
>
> Easy. Dogs don't meow!

And they can be "trained" not to bark without a reason. (However, most
cats don't take too kindly to being "walked" on a leash, and they seem
to be confused about who "owns" whom - dogs may worship their humans,
cats tend to expect it to be the other way around.)

Runge 131
October 2nd 11, 08:18 PM
Duh
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Oren wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:19:51 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why people keep dogs?
>
> Easy. Dogs don't meow!

And they can be "trained" not to bark without a reason. (However, most
cats don't take too kindly to being "walked" on a leash, and they seem
to be confused about who "owns" whom - dogs may worship their humans,
cats tend to expect it to be the other way around.)

Runge 131
October 2nd 11, 08:19 PM
Isn't she stoopid...


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Tater Cole wrote:
> So my wife and I are in those awkward years between backpacking across
> a foriegn continent and going on a managed tour for seniors. This
> means we are heading to Maui for a couple of weeks in the not too
> distant future.

When did Maui move to Europe?

> We've signed up for something called a LOU OWWW and
> are planning to go on a helicopter tour of something. Should we make
> advance reservations for the helicopter tour? What should we see and
> do while we are there? Can we take our cats?

Unless you're planning a permanent move, why would you want to take your
cats? Although, given the nature of the beast, there are always
exceptions to any statement beginning "All cats .... ", most cats find
travel stressful. Why subject them to that when it's not necessary?
The best solution is to hire a cat-sitter to care for them at home
during your absence. Failing that a boarding kennel or your regular
veterinarian.

Oren
October 2nd 11, 09:14 PM
On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:08:39 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> wrote:

>
>
>Oren wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:19:51 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder why people keep dogs?
>>
>> Easy. Dogs don't meow!
>
>And they can be "trained" not to bark without a reason. (However, most
>cats don't take too kindly to being "walked" on a leash, and they seem
>to be confused about who "owns" whom - dogs may worship their humans,
>cats tend to expect it to be the other way around.)

I have a "barkless dog". He can only yodel.

My cats have, those past came from prisons. Still have one cat left.
My hound dog is about broke trying the capture the kitty. One mean
prison cat...loves me though.

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy
October 3rd 11, 03:18 PM
"Tony Lima" > wrote

> > wrote:
>
>>Can we take our cats?
>
> For decades Hawaii has had some of the most stringent animal
> quarantine laws in the world. They're trying to keep rabies
> out of the islands. My advice is to check with the Hawaii
> Tour and Convention Bureau and follow their advice
> carefully.
>
> Short answer: almost certainly not unless you want them to
> be kept in jail at the airport with limited visiting
> privileges for you. - Tony

Short answer: What kind of a mother****ing troll even remotely
considers take ****ing CATS to mother****ing HAWAII?!!!

--Tedward

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
October 3rd 11, 11:36 PM
Oren wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:08:39 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Oren wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:19:51 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder why people keep dogs?
>>> Easy. Dogs don't meow!
>> And they can be "trained" not to bark without a reason. (However, most
>> cats don't take too kindly to being "walked" on a leash, and they seem
>> to be confused about who "owns" whom - dogs may worship their humans,
>> cats tend to expect it to be the other way around.)
>
> I have a "barkless dog". He can only yodel.

Let me guess - Bassenji (sp?). A friend had a bassenji-beagle mix. She
COULD bark (usually just one "woof" when someone came to the door) but
mostly it was that distinctive yodel.
>
> My cats have, those past came from prisons. Still have one cat left.
> My hound dog is about broke trying the capture the kitty. One mean
> prison cat...loves me though.

Oren
October 4th 11, 12:26 AM
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:36:46 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> wrote:

>> I have a "barkless dog". He can only yodel.
>
>Let me guess - Bassenji (sp?). A friend had a bassenji-beagle mix. She
>COULD bark (usually just one "woof" when someone came to the door) but
>mostly it was that distinctive yodel.
>>

A Basenji will only yodel when he/she is happy.

When asked why I have a Basenji the answer is easy. Boo is as
hardheaded as me. That is the simple answer.

One of the top five dogs difficult to train.

This dog is not for apartment dwellers.

Runge 131
October 6th 11, 05:00 AM
As soon as you get OT you're sure to get the vogt old lady...

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Oren wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:08:39 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Oren wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:19:51 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder why people keep dogs?
>>> Easy. Dogs don't meow!
>> And they can be "trained" not to bark without a reason. (However, most
>> cats don't take too kindly to being "walked" on a leash, and they seem to
>> be confused about who "owns" whom - dogs may worship their humans, cats
>> tend to expect it to be the other way around.)
>
> I have a "barkless dog". He can only yodel.

Let me guess - Bassenji (sp?). A friend had a bassenji-beagle mix. She
COULD bark (usually just one "woof" when someone came to the door) but
mostly it was that distinctive yodel.
>
> My cats have, those past came from prisons. Still have one cat left.
> My hound dog is about broke trying the capture the kitty. One mean
> prison cat...loves me though.