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Mack A. Damia
September 8th 12, 02:22 AM
Hello cat lovers!

Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
right place.

This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
screened-in porch that she goes on.

I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing) Frontline
(seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a stronger lotion
on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered with fleas and very
unhappy. So am I.

I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.

I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
noticed the problem.

Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
because I think she is in misery.
--

Matthew[_3_]
September 8th 12, 03:06 AM
outside you screen porch take some borax soap and spread on the outside of
the screen porch. you can use cedar chips also around the base

clean the screen porch make sure any fabrics and any place the fleas can hid
and multiply. Frontline advantage I have never had a problem yet. Dont
use flea collars they are worthless and can poison them.

You can also bring the fleas in on your clothes.

You have to bomb 10 days after you do the first bomb the eggs will hatch.
Do a good vacuuming and get rid of the bag dont reuse.



"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hello cat lovers!
>
> Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
> kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
> several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
> right place.
>
> This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
> definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
> getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
> screened-in porch that she goes on.
>
> I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing) Frontline
> (seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a stronger lotion
> on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered with fleas and very
> unhappy. So am I.
>
> I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
> the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
> While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
> sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.
>
> I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
> face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
> climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
> becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
> noticed the problem.
>
> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
> because I think she is in misery.
> --
>

Mack A. Damia
September 8th 12, 03:52 AM
Thanks, there is a concrete path outside the screened-in porch, so I
don't know how the borax soap or cedar chips will work out. She's
here now and seems to be sleeping comfortably, although I think they
bother her periodically. Don't understand why the Frontline doesn't
work. I'll take her to the groomer again next week for a bath and
fumigate as you have advised. Thanks again, much appreciated.


On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 22:06:22 -0400, "Matthew"
> wrote:

>outside you screen porch take some borax soap and spread on the outside of
>the screen porch. you can use cedar chips also around the base
>
>clean the screen porch make sure any fabrics and any place the fleas can hid
>and multiply. Frontline advantage I have never had a problem yet. Dont
>use flea collars they are worthless and can poison them.
>
>You can also bring the fleas in on your clothes.
>
>You have to bomb 10 days after you do the first bomb the eggs will hatch.
>Do a good vacuuming and get rid of the bag dont reuse.
>
>
>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Hello cat lovers!
>>
>> Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
>> kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
>> several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
>> right place.
>>
>> This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
>> definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
>> getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
>> screened-in porch that she goes on.
>>
>> I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing) Frontline
>> (seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a stronger lotion
>> on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered with fleas and very
>> unhappy. So am I.
>>
>> I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
>> the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
>> While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
>> sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.
>>
>> I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
>> face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
>> climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
>> becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
>> noticed the problem.
>>
>> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
>> because I think she is in misery.
>> --
>>
>

Odd Bob
September 8th 12, 08:03 AM
Mack A. Damia > wrote in
:

>
> Thanks, there is a concrete path outside the screened-in porch, so I
> don't know how the borax soap or cedar chips will work out. She's
> here now and seems to be sleeping comfortably, although I think they
> bother her periodically. Don't understand why the Frontline doesn't
> work. I'll take her to the groomer again next week for a bath and
> fumigate as you have advised. Thanks again, much appreciated.
>
>

Frontline didn't help my cat, either. I think fleas are developing a
resistance to it. After he'd chewed most of the fur off his back the vet
put him on Comfortis. He's doing much, much better, now.

-- Bob

MaryL[_2_]
September 8th 12, 04:30 PM
"Matthew" wrote in message
ng.com...

outside you screen porch take some borax soap and spread on the outside of
the screen porch. you can use cedar chips also around the base

clean the screen porch make sure any fabrics and any place the fleas can hid
and multiply. Frontline advantage I have never had a problem yet. Dont
use flea collars they are worthless and can poison them.

You can also bring the fleas in on your clothes.

You have to bomb 10 days after you do the first bomb the eggs will hatch.
Do a good vacuuming and get rid of the bag dont reuse.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Good advice. In addition to what Matthew wrote: If you have a vacuum with
a permanent canister instead of bags, cut up a flea collar and vacuum those
into the canister after it has been emptied. That helps get rid of any flea
eggs you may have picked up in cleaning. Also, be sure to dispose of vacuum
bags or the contents of canisters *outside* the house.

If Frontline is not working, I suggest you try Advantage. It also would be
a good idea to see a vet for a prescription and flea bath since the groomer
has not been able to solve the problem. *Do not* use flea collars or
over-the-counter flea preparations. They are ineffective and can be
dangerous to your cat's health. There have been a number of deaths
associated with those preparations. You may need to dispose of some pillows
or cat beds if they are badly infested. My vet once described flea eggs as
"timed release eggs"--he said they can hatch as long as 2 years later, so
you may need to be vigilant for a very long time to get rid of all of them.

MaryL

Bill Graham
September 9th 12, 06:39 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> Hello cat lovers!
>
> Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
> kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
> several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
> right place.
>
> This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
> definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
> getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
> screened-in porch that she goes on.
>
> I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing) Frontline
> (seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a stronger lotion
> on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered with fleas and very
> unhappy. So am I.
>
> I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
> the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
> While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
> sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.
>
> I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
> face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
> climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
> becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
> noticed the problem.
>
> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
> because I think she is in misery.

Well, you said it. A bath is good for two days. So, bathe her every two
days. A real PITA at first, but she will get used to it and after a bit, she
will actually look forward to it. Perhaps you won't need any soap, and just
getting her sopping wet for a little while may do the trick. (fleas have to
breathe air like most everything else) A little water softener will do the
same thing as soap.... It will get the water to flow all over her beneath
the fur. Here in Oregon, it rains a lot and our cats like to stand out in
the rain and come home sopping wet. I think they do this just to get rid of
the fleas. I was amazed when I first moved up here from California. Down
there, no self respecting cat would ever come home wet. No matter how bad
the storm, my cats would always stay dry as a bone. but these Oregon cats
are always getting wet....

Bill Graham
September 9th 12, 06:52 AM
Bill Graham wrote:
> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> Hello cat lovers!
>>
>> Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
>> kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
>> several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
>> right place.
>>
>> This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
>> definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
>> getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
>> screened-in porch that she goes on.
>>
>> I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing)
>> Frontline (seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a
>> stronger lotion on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered
>> with fleas and very unhappy. So am I.
>>
>> I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
>> the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
>> While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
>> sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.
>>
>> I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
>> face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
>> climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
>> becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
>> noticed the problem.
>>
>> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
>> because I think she is in misery.
>
> Well, you said it. A bath is good for two days. So, bathe her every
> two days. A real PITA at first, but she will get used to it and after
> a bit, she will actually look forward to it. Perhaps you won't need
> any soap, and just getting her sopping wet for a little while may do
> the trick. (fleas have to breathe air like most everything else) A
> little water softener will do the same thing as soap.... It will get
> the water to flow all over her beneath the fur. Here in Oregon, it
> rains a lot and our cats like to stand out in the rain and come home
> sopping wet. I think they do this just to get rid of the fleas. I was
> amazed when I first moved up here from California. Down there, no
> self respecting cat would ever come home wet. No matter how bad the
> storm, my cats would always stay dry as a bone. but these Oregon cats
> are always getting wet....

Another thing you can do is to provide her with a place to sleep that is
cloth-free. Fleas like to hide in rugs, and other cloth places. Cats like to
be up in the air, and don't really care about cloth. Especially in warm
weather, they like to sleep on a cool, hard surface. So let her sleep high
up off the floor on a hard surface, such as the top of a bookcase or china
cabinet, where the fleas will have a hard time getting.... If you need a
cloth, then give her a towel to lay on, but change it daily for a fresh
washed one. - Oh. And brush her good at least once a day....

Bill Graham
September 10th 12, 02:44 AM
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:


Are you related to Amanda B. Reckondwith?

Mack A. Damia
September 10th 12, 02:59 AM
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 18:44:56 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
>
>Are you related to Amanda B. Reckondwith?

Mr. Peanut's Hawaiian cousin.

Excuse me, I have a cold.

<*cashew*>

--

Mack A. Damia
September 10th 12, 03:07 AM
On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:22:48 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:

>
>Hello cat lovers!
>
>Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
>kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
>several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
>right place.
>
>This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
>definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
>getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
>screened-in porch that she goes on.
>
>I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing) Frontline
>(seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a stronger lotion
>on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered with fleas and very
>unhappy. So am I.
>
>I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
>the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
>While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
>sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.
>
>I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
>face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
>climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
>becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
>noticed the problem.
>
>Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
>because I think she is in misery.

Thanks for all your advice and tips; I am still processing them. Don't
know about giving her a bath every couple of days; I've never tried to
give her one, but the groomer tells me she is quite docile - well,
maybe for him!

Also, trying to figure out something for the screened-in porch.
Actually, it's the white diamond lattice, and I'm wondering if I
should put wainscot half way up the wall. Since the wall borders on a
path, I don't know how I could put down borax soap or cedar chips
effectively.

Has anyone ever heard of a porker mating with a cat? Pookie is a
butterball and is always crying for food. I was under the impression
that cats will not overeat. This one has her nose in "my" food while
I'm eating.
--

Bill Graham
September 10th 12, 06:26 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:22:48 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello cat lovers!
>>
>> Pookie adopted me almost two years ago; somebody dropped a litter of
>> kittens in a box off in our small community, and she made it through
>> several fences and a closed-in porch to my place. She picked the
>> right place.
>>
>> This is the first summer I have noticed that she is having a very
>> definite problem with fleas, amnd I am not even certain where she is
>> getting them. She is strictly a house cat, although a have a
>> screened-in porch that she goes on.
>>
>> I have tried everything - a flea collar (doesn't do a thing)
>> Frontline (seems to be water) and last week, the groomer put a
>> stronger lotion on her - supposed to last a month. She is covered
>> with fleas and very unhappy. So am I.
>>
>> I have taken her to the groomer several times for a bath, and that is
>> the only time she seems to be free of them - for a couple of days.
>> While she is at the groomers, I fumigate the house with bombs and
>> sprays. Doesn't seem to help one bit.
>>
>> I know she is upset because she hides from me. I can see them on her
>> face and cannot even pick the little devils off! I live in a warm
>> climate, and I am hoping that the fleas will abate as the weather
>> becomes cooler. As I said, this is the first summer season I have
>> noticed the problem.
>>
>> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
>> because I think she is in misery.
>
> Thanks for all your advice and tips; I am still processing them. Don't
> know about giving her a bath every couple of days; I've never tried to
> give her one, but the groomer tells me she is quite docile - well,
> maybe for him!
>
> Also, trying to figure out something for the screened-in porch.
> Actually, it's the white diamond lattice, and I'm wondering if I
> should put wainscot half way up the wall. Since the wall borders on a
> path, I don't know how I could put down borax soap or cedar chips
> effectively.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of a porker mating with a cat? Pookie is a
> butterball and is always crying for food. I was under the impression
> that cats will not overeat. This one has her nose in "my" food while
> I'm eating.

Cats overeat. I have a cat that is heavy boned, like a Main Coon, but he is
like 50% overweight at nearly 30 pounds. He is unhappy unlessw his stomach
is completely full. He eats, throws up, and then ewts some more. I don't
know how to stop him without isolating him from my other 4 cats and starving
him down to size, and this would be very hard to do. The other four cats
only eat when they are hungry, and they have an infinite supply of kibbles
available to them 24/7, as well as canned food whenever they want it.

Kelly Greene[_6_]
September 17th 12, 11:56 PM
"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hello cat lovers!
>
> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
> because I think she is in misery.
> --
>

You have to vacuum your entire house and spray everywhere with a hormone
growth regulator. You also need to be using something really effective on
her such as Revolution. Many of the products on the store shelves are no
longer working.

http://www.vetinfo.com/flea-products-with-igr-insect-growth-regulators.html

Fleas are becoming very resistant to the OTC products.

Kelly Greene[_6_]
September 17th 12, 11:58 PM
"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>
> Thanks, there is a concrete path outside the screened-in porch, so I
> don't know how the borax soap or cedar chips will work out. She's
> here now and seems to be sleeping comfortably, although I think they
> bother her periodically. Don't understand why the Frontline doesn't
> work. I'll take her to the groomer again next week for a bath and
> fumigate as you have advised. Thanks again, much appreciated.

They don't work because fleas are becoming resistant, almost immune to the
commonly products.

Mack A. Damia
September 18th 12, 04:05 PM
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:08 -0500, "Kelly Greene"
> wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Thanks, there is a concrete path outside the screened-in porch, so I
>> don't know how the borax soap or cedar chips will work out. She's
>> here now and seems to be sleeping comfortably, although I think they
>> bother her periodically. Don't understand why the Frontline doesn't
>> work. I'll take her to the groomer again next week for a bath and
>> fumigate as you have advised. Thanks again, much appreciated.
>
>They don't work because fleas are becoming resistant, almost immune to the
>commonly products.

Yes, I have to come to that conclusion from observation. Front Line
doesn't seem to do a thing. It might as well be water.
--

Mack A. Damia
September 18th 12, 04:05 PM
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:56:59 -0500, "Kelly Greene"
> wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Hello cat lovers!
>>
>> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
>> because I think she is in misery.
>> --
>>
>
>You have to vacuum your entire house and spray everywhere with a hormone
>growth regulator. You also need to be using something really effective on
>her such as Revolution. Many of the products on the store shelves are no
>longer working.
>
> http://www.vetinfo.com/flea-products-with-igr-insect-growth-regulators.html
>
>Fleas are becoming very resistant to the OTC products.

Thanks, I'll work on it.
--

See you in the funny papers.
September 18th 12, 07:34 PM
Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have handy a glass
of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the comb...dunk
the comb.

Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.

Mack A. Damia
September 18th 12, 07:43 PM
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you in the
funny papers.) wrote:

>Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have handy a glass
>of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the comb...dunk
>the comb.
>
>Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.

I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very close
together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all while using
it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another one. Thanks!
--

Bill Graham
September 18th 12, 09:24 PM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:08 -0500, "Kelly Greene"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Thanks, there is a concrete path outside the screened-in porch, so I
>>> don't know how the borax soap or cedar chips will work out. She's
>>> here now and seems to be sleeping comfortably, although I think they
>>> bother her periodically. Don't understand why the Frontline doesn't
>>> work. I'll take her to the groomer again next week for a bath and
>>> fumigate as you have advised. Thanks again, much appreciated.
>>
>> They don't work because fleas are becoming resistant, almost immune
>> to the commonly products.
>
> Yes, I have to come to that conclusion from observation. Front Line
> doesn't seem to do a thing. It might as well be water.

Yes. I caught a flea the other day sitting on a cedar chip while eating a
bowl of borax and washing it down with a cold frontline drink......

dgk
September 19th 12, 02:07 PM
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you in the
>funny papers.) wrote:
>
>>Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have handy a glass
>>of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the comb...dunk
>>the comb.
>>
>>Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>
>I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very close
>together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all while using
>it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another one. Thanks!

Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once managed to
catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the drugstore along
with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression "going over
something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember laughing out
loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was just words
without context.

It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.

Bill Graham
September 19th 12, 10:32 PM
"dgk" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you in the
>>funny papers.) wrote:
>>
>>>Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have handy a glass
>>>of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the comb...dunk
>>>the comb.
>>>
>>>Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>
>>I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very close
>>together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all while using
>>it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another one. Thanks!
>
> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once managed to
> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the drugstore along
> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression "going over
> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember laughing out
> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was just words
> without context.
>
> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.

It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we liven in, "one
nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see it. (from outer
space, I guess)

dgk
September 20th 12, 02:24 PM
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>
>"dgk" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you in the
>>>funny papers.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have handy a glass
>>>>of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the comb...dunk
>>>>the comb.
>>>>
>>>>Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>
>>>I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very close
>>>together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all while using
>>>it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another one. Thanks!
>>
>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once managed to
>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the drugstore along
>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression "going over
>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember laughing out
>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was just words
>> without context.
>>
>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>
>It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we liven in, "one
>nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see it. (from outer
>space, I guess)

Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that mistake!
But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I didn't
really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people mean it,
you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess someday
relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.

It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow bridge
though.

Sylvia M[_5_]
September 20th 12, 11:33 PM
"dgk" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
> >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"dgk" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>in the
>>>>funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>handy a glass
>>>>>of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>comb...dunk
>>>>>the comb.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>close
>>>>together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>while using
>>>>it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>one. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>> managed to
>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>> drugstore along
>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>> "going over
>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>> laughing out
>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>> just words
>>> without context.
>>>
>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>
>>It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>liven in, "one
>>nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>it. (from outer
>>space, I guess)
>
> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
> mistake!
> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
> didn't
> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
> mean it,
> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
> someday
> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>
> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
> bridge
> though.

When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
'new ' way,
and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
all."

I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
"G*d
bless you" she would say "I doubt it."

Mack A. Damia
September 21st 12, 12:25 AM
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:33:34 -0700, "Sylvia M" >
wrote:

>
>"dgk" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"dgk" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>in the
>>>>>funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>handy a glass
>>>>>>of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>comb...dunk
>>>>>>the comb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>close
>>>>>together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>while using
>>>>>it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>one. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>> managed to
>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>> drugstore along
>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>> "going over
>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>> laughing out
>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>> just words
>>>> without context.
>>>>
>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>
>>>It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>liven in, "one
>>>nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>it. (from outer
>>>space, I guess)
>>
>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>> mistake!
>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>> didn't
>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>> mean it,
>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>> someday
>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>
>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>> bridge
>> though.
>
>When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>'new ' way,
>and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>all."
>
>I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>"G*d
>bless you" she would say "I doubt it."

One story that is sometimes debunked is that sneezing was one of the
first symptoms of the Black Death - the bubonic plague, and others
would make the sign of the cross and say, "God bless you!"

And so now we're back to fleas...........

--

Bill Graham
September 21st 12, 01:15 AM
Sylvia M wrote:
> "dgk" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>> in the
>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>> close
>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>> while using
>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>> managed to
>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>> drugstore along
>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>> "going over
>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>> laughing out
>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>> just words
>>>> without context.
>>>>
>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>
>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>> liven in, "one
>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>> it. (from outer
>>> space, I guess)
>>
>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>> mistake!
>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>> didn't
>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>> mean it,
>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>> someday
>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>
>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>> bridge
>> though.
>
> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
> 'new ' way,
> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
> all."
>
> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
> "G*d
> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."

I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a pre-schooler, when
I went to church, and saw the others praying, I would ask, "Who ar they
talking to?" and when they said, "God", I knew that there was no such thing
and they were fooling themselves, or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I
tell the religious people who pester me to become a believer, that its a
good thing I don't believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his
guts for all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every Winter.

Bill Graham
September 21st 12, 01:21 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:33:34 -0700, "Sylvia M" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>> while using
>>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>>> managed to
>>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>>> drugstore along
>>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>>> "going over
>>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>>> laughing out
>>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>>> just words
>>>>> without context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>> liven in, "one
>>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>> it. (from outer
>>>> space, I guess)
>>>
>>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>>> mistake!
>>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>>> didn't
>>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>>> mean it,
>>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>>> someday
>>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>>
>>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>>> bridge
>>> though.
>>
>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>> 'new ' way,
>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>> all."
>>
>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>> "G*d
>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>
> One story that is sometimes debunked is that sneezing was one of the
> first symptoms of the Black Death - the bubonic plague, and others
> would make the sign of the cross and say, "God bless you!"
>
> And so now we're back to fleas...........

An unusual disease, in that it crosses the species boundry, and infects both
rats and men....

Mack A. Damia
September 21st 12, 01:43 AM
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:15:15 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Sylvia M wrote:
>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>> while using
>>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>>> managed to
>>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>>> drugstore along
>>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>>> "going over
>>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>>> laughing out
>>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>>> just words
>>>>> without context.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>> liven in, "one
>>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>> it. (from outer
>>>> space, I guess)
>>>
>>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>>> mistake!
>>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>>> didn't
>>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>>> mean it,
>>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>>> someday
>>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>>
>>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>>> bridge
>>> though.
>>
>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>> 'new ' way,
>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>> all."
>>
>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>> "G*d
>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>
>I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a pre-schooler, when
>I went to church, and saw the others praying, I would ask, "Who ar they
>talking to?" and when they said, "God", I knew that there was no such thing
>and they were fooling themselves, or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I
>tell the religious people who pester me to become a believer, that its a
>good thing I don't believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his
>guts for all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every Winter.

True, there is no old man with a long white beard and flowing robes,
but there is the totality of energy in the universe...........
--

Bill Graham
September 21st 12, 01:50 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:15:15 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Sylvia M wrote:
>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>>> while using
>>>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>>>> managed to
>>>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>>>> drugstore along
>>>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>>>> "going over
>>>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>>>> laughing out
>>>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>>>> just words
>>>>>> without context.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>>> liven in, "one
>>>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>>> it. (from outer
>>>>> space, I guess)
>>>>
>>>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>>>> mistake!
>>>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>>>> didn't
>>>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>>>> mean it,
>>>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>>>> someday
>>>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>>>
>>>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>>>> bridge
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>>> 'new ' way,
>>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>>> all."
>>>
>>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>>> "G*d
>>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>>
>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every Winter.
>
> True, there is no old man with a long white beard and flowing robes,
> but there is the totality of energy in the universe...........

Yes. Neither the religious nor I know where it came from or why it is here,
but the difference between us is, I am willing to admit that I don't know,
and they are not.

dgk
September 21st 12, 03:27 PM
>>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>>> 'new ' way,
>>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>>> all."
>>>
>>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>>> "G*d
>>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>>
>> One story that is sometimes debunked is that sneezing was one of the
>> first symptoms of the Black Death - the bubonic plague, and others
>> would make the sign of the cross and say, "God bless you!"
>>
>> And so now we're back to fleas...........
>
>An unusual disease, in that it crosses the species boundry, and infects both
>rats and men....

It's pretty odd that my cats haven't had fleas in 20 years or so. They
do go outside into the fenced-in backyard but other critters pass
through during the night so it's possible that they would pick them
up. I put Frontline on them twice during the spring/summer/fall, but
not monthly.

Just good fortune I guess. Mentioning it here will probably result in
some karmic backlash and a flea infestation..

dgk
September 21st 12, 03:30 PM
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:50:20 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:15:15 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sylvia M wrote:
>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>>>> while using
>>>>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>>>>> managed to
>>>>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>>>>> drugstore along
>>>>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>>>>> "going over
>>>>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>>>>> laughing out
>>>>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>>>>> just words
>>>>>>> without context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>>>> liven in, "one
>>>>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>>>> it. (from outer
>>>>>> space, I guess)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>>>>> mistake!
>>>>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>>>>> mean it,
>>>>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>>>>> someday
>>>>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>>>>> bridge
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>>>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>>>> 'new ' way,
>>>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>>>> all."
>>>>
>>>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>>>> "G*d
>>>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>>>
>>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every Winter.
>>
>> True, there is no old man with a long white beard and flowing robes,
>> but there is the totality of energy in the universe...........
>
>Yes. Neither the religious nor I know where it came from or why it is here,
>but the difference between us is, I am willing to admit that I don't know,
>and they are not.

I generally consider that I have about as much of a chance of
understanding the purpose behind "life, the universe, and everything"
as an ant has of understanding why I'm watching a baseball game.

Slo' Poke
September 21st 12, 10:39 PM
I agree...no old man on a cloud but that energy is
awesome....apparently. Three extremely intelligent and multi-talented
men : Walter Russell, Buckminister Fuller, and Telsa did understand that
energy. [Not even mentioning Einstein that they could easily converse
with..and did....but since I have written him off as a jerk I'm skipping
him. :) ]

BTW ~ for fleas....get Diamacious Earth...from your local Feed Store.
[if that's not how it is spelt...that's how it sounds lol.]

Bill Graham
September 23rd 12, 09:29 PM
dgk wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:50:20 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:15:15 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sylvia M wrote:
>>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>>>>> while using
>>>>>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>>>>>> managed to
>>>>>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>>>>>> drugstore along
>>>>>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>>>>>> "going over
>>>>>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>>>>>> laughing out
>>>>>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>>>>>> just words
>>>>>>>> without context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>>>>> liven in, "one
>>>>>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>>>>> it. (from outer
>>>>>>> space, I guess)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>>>>>> mistake!
>>>>>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>>>>>> mean it,
>>>>>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>>>>>> someday
>>>>>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>>>>>> bridge
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>>>>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>>>>> 'new ' way,
>>>>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>>>>> all."
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>>>>> "G*d
>>>>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>>>>
>>>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>>>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>>>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>>>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>>>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>>>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>>>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>>>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>>>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every
>>>> Winter.
>>>
>>> True, there is no old man with a long white beard and flowing robes,
>>> but there is the totality of energy in the universe...........
>>
>> Yes. Neither the religious nor I know where it came from or why it
>> is here, but the difference between us is, I am willing to admit
>> that I don't know, and they are not.
>
> I generally consider that I have about as much of a chance of
> understanding the purpose behind "life, the universe, and everything"
> as an ant has of understanding why I'm watching a baseball game.

.....Me, Me!! - I don't understand why you would watch a baseball game.....

dgk
September 24th 12, 03:51 PM
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:29:36 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>dgk wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:50:20 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:15:15 -0700, "Bill Graham" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia M wrote:
>>>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:32:16 -0700, "Bill Graham"
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "dgk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:43:09 -0700, Mack A. Damia
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:34:13 -0500, (See you
>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> funny papers.) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Get a flea comb and comb Pookie several times a day. Have
>>>>>>>>>>> handy a glass
>>>>>>>>>>> of dawn-laced water for them - as they come off on to the
>>>>>>>>>>> comb...dunk
>>>>>>>>>>> the comb.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just passing thru...hope you don't mind the suggestion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have a flea comb - the teeth are very
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> together, but I have not been able to get any fleas at all
>>>>>>>>>> while using
>>>>>>>>>> it. They slip through the teeth. I'll look for another
>>>>>>>>>> one. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hah, when I was much younger (much much younger) I once
>>>>>>>>> managed to
>>>>>>>>> catch a case of crab lice. I got some poison from the
>>>>>>>>> drugstore along
>>>>>>>>> with a comb, and realized that that's where the expression
>>>>>>>>> "going over
>>>>>>>>> something with a fine tooth comb" comes from. I remember
>>>>>>>>> laughing out
>>>>>>>>> loud as the thought popped into my head. Until then it was
>>>>>>>>> just words
>>>>>>>>> without context.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's also where the expression "nit picking" comes from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wasn't until the forth or fifth grade that I realized we
>>>>>>>> liven in, "one
>>>>>>>> nation indivisible". Before that, I thought you couldn't see
>>>>>>>> it. (from outer
>>>>>>>> space, I guess)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh good, I felt certain I wasn't the only one to make that
>>>>>>> mistake!
>>>>>>> But I always had trouble with the next few words, since I
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> really believe in God. I still don't in the way most people
>>>>>>> mean it,
>>>>>>> you know, the old bearded guy in the white robe. I guess
>>>>>>> someday
>>>>>>> relatively soon I'll find out. Or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be pretty funny if it turns out to be a rainbow
>>>>>>> bridge
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was in Grammar school, "He" wasn't mentioned. It was one
>>>>>> nation, in(di)visible ... I still get hung up in saying it the
>>>>>> 'new ' way,
>>>>>> and by then everyone is going on "with liverty an justice furr
>>>>>> all."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a friend who was agnostic...when she sneezed, and I said
>>>>>> "G*d
>>>>>> bless you" she would say "I doubt it."
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>>>>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>>>>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>>>>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>>>>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>>>>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>>>>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>>>>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>>>>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every
>>>>> Winter.
>>>>
>>>> True, there is no old man with a long white beard and flowing robes,
>>>> but there is the totality of energy in the universe...........
>>>
>>> Yes. Neither the religious nor I know where it came from or why it
>>> is here, but the difference between us is, I am willing to admit
>>> that I don't know, and they are not.
>>
>> I generally consider that I have about as much of a chance of
>> understanding the purpose behind "life, the universe, and everything"
>> as an ant has of understanding why I'm watching a baseball game.
>
>....Me, Me!! - I don't understand why you would watch a baseball game.....

It gives the cats a chance to settle in my lap.

Kelly Greene[_6_]
September 26th 12, 05:45 AM
"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:56:59 -0500, "Kelly Greene"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> Hello cat lovers!
>>>
>>> Any advice and help with be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I am upset
>>> because I think she is in misery.
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>You have to vacuum your entire house and spray everywhere with a hormone
>>growth regulator. You also need to be using something really effective on
>>her such as Revolution. Many of the products on the store shelves are no
>>longer working.
>>
>> http://www.vetinfo.com/flea-products-with-igr-insect-growth-regulators.html
>>
>>Fleas are becoming very resistant to the OTC products.
>
> Thanks, I'll work on it.

It's safe for you and your pets. It's non-toxic unlike some of the stuff
they're pushing online.

> --
>

Kelly Greene[_6_]
November 30th 12, 12:16 PM
"Bill Graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a pre-schooler,
> when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I would ask, "Who ar
> they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I knew that there was no such
> thing and they were fooling themselves, or kidding, or wasting their time.
> Now, I tell the religious people who pester me to become a believer, that
> its a good thing I don't believe in their God, because if I did, I would
> hate his guts for all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the
> millions of little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every
> Winter.

Amen brother Bill. I feel the exact same way. I had a friend who always
said, "Nothing fails like prayer." Somewhere along the line I lost my faith
and belief in the Christian/Jewish God. I believe it happened slowly as I
matured and saw and learned what went on in the world. Where was/is this
God when people and animals needed him/it most? Nowhere to be found. When
millions of people starve to death and/or die of disease, my believer
friends would say, "It's part of God's plan." Their God plans these
horrific deaths? God planned the AIDS virus, the Bubonic plague and all the
wars since time began? What kind of God would do that or look the other way
and let such things continue?

As for the animals... God has and shows no mercy for them or he would do
something. People torture and kill them with impunity (crush videos are the
worst) and this God does nothing! Of what use is this God? You can
fervently pray for 2 people with cancer. One will live and the other will
die. I just don't get it.

There may be some kind of intelligent life out there in the universe, maybe
it even created the Big Bang... but it sure as heck was no compassionate,
loving, all-caring, all knowing God the believers talk about.

Kelly Greene[_6_]
November 30th 12, 12:19 PM
"Bill Graham" > wrote in message
...
> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>
>> True, there is no old man with a long white beard and flowing robes,
>> but there is the totality of energy in the universe...........
>
> Yes. Neither the religious nor I know where it came from or why it is
> here, but the difference between us is, I am willing to admit that I don't
> know, and they are not.

Because they're afraid to admit it and lose out on Paradise or Heaven. In
their hearts many people have doubts but even fear verbalizing or admitting
them.

Bill Graham
December 1st 12, 07:19 AM
Kelly Greene wrote:
> "Bill Graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every Winter.
>
> Amen brother Bill. I feel the exact same way. I had a friend who
> always said, "Nothing fails like prayer." Somewhere along the line I
> lost my faith and belief in the Christian/Jewish God. I believe it
> happened slowly as I matured and saw and learned what went on in the
> world. Where was/is this God when people and animals needed him/it
> most? Nowhere to be found. When millions of people starve to death
> and/or die of disease, my believer friends would say, "It's part of
> God's plan." Their God plans these horrific deaths? God planned the
> AIDS virus, the Bubonic plague and all the wars since time began? What
> kind of God would do that or look the other way and let such
> things continue?
> As for the animals... God has and shows no mercy for them or he would
> do something. People torture and kill them with impunity (crush
> videos are the worst) and this God does nothing! Of what use is this
> God? You can fervently pray for 2 people with cancer. One will live
> and the other will die. I just don't get it.
>
> There may be some kind of intelligent life out there in the universe,
> maybe it even created the Big Bang... but it sure as heck was no
> compassionate, loving, all-caring, all knowing God the believers talk
> about.

The operative phrase in the above is, "Of what use is this God?" Obviously,
he has no use at all. Even if he exists, he is an illogical dunce, and not
worthy of any reguard at all, much less our worship. A typewriter, thrown
froim the roof of a 100 story skyscraper has just as much chance of hitting
a child on the sidewalk below as it does of hitting a trash can. Only the
percentage of the sidewalk's surface occluded by both enters into the
equasion. In over two thousand years no God has had any effect on the
affairs of man or beast at all, even if one were to believe in the Christian
myth. So, if he has no effect, then why bother with him? Surely we have more
important things to concern ourselves with. (Like taking care of a few feral
cats.)

Mack A. Damia
December 1st 12, 06:57 PM
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:19:47 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Kelly Greene wrote:
>> "Bill Graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every Winter.
>>
>> Amen brother Bill. I feel the exact same way. I had a friend who
>> always said, "Nothing fails like prayer." Somewhere along the line I
>> lost my faith and belief in the Christian/Jewish God. I believe it
>> happened slowly as I matured and saw and learned what went on in the
>> world. Where was/is this God when people and animals needed him/it
>> most? Nowhere to be found. When millions of people starve to death
>> and/or die of disease, my believer friends would say, "It's part of
>> God's plan." Their God plans these horrific deaths? God planned the
>> AIDS virus, the Bubonic plague and all the wars since time began? What
>> kind of God would do that or look the other way and let such
>> things continue?
>> As for the animals... God has and shows no mercy for them or he would
>> do something. People torture and kill them with impunity (crush
>> videos are the worst) and this God does nothing! Of what use is this
>> God? You can fervently pray for 2 people with cancer. One will live
>> and the other will die. I just don't get it.
>>
>> There may be some kind of intelligent life out there in the universe,
>> maybe it even created the Big Bang... but it sure as heck was no
>> compassionate, loving, all-caring, all knowing God the believers talk
>> about.
>
>The operative phrase in the above is, "Of what use is this God?" Obviously,
>he has no use at all. Even if he exists, he is an illogical dunce, and not
>worthy of any reguard at all, much less our worship. A typewriter, thrown
>froim the roof of a 100 story skyscraper has just as much chance of hitting
>a child on the sidewalk below as it does of hitting a trash can. Only the
>percentage of the sidewalk's surface occluded by both enters into the
>equasion. In over two thousand years no God has had any effect on the
>affairs of man or beast at all, even if one were to believe in the Christian
>myth. So, if he has no effect, then why bother with him? Surely we have more
>important things to concern ourselves with. (Like taking care of a few feral
>cats.)

An old adage says never argue about politics and religion; somehow, we
can't help it. Taking care of feral cats is part of God's plan -
preserving or attempting to preserve the sanctity of life:

Matthew 25:40:

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my
brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Another thing: You have to define what you are denying. What do you
mean by "God"? I've already told you what my conception is.

Some of us believe that God appears to us in this. I didn't bother
reading the notes at the very beginning before I listened to it and
watched this amazing woman (watch her feet). The notes are spot-on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2oCX9woz9U

You may say that it's only a woman playing the organ. Well, that's
just the point: Quod erat demonstrandum.

--

Bill Graham
December 1st 12, 10:02 PM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:19:47 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Kelly Greene wrote:
>>> "Bill Graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>>>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>>>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>>>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>>>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>>>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>>>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>>>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>>>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every
>>>> Winter.
>>>
>>> Amen brother Bill. I feel the exact same way. I had a friend who
>>> always said, "Nothing fails like prayer." Somewhere along the line
>>> I lost my faith and belief in the Christian/Jewish God. I believe
>>> it happened slowly as I matured and saw and learned what went on in
>>> the world. Where was/is this God when people and animals needed
>>> him/it most? Nowhere to be found. When millions of people starve
>>> to death and/or die of disease, my believer friends would say,
>>> "It's part of God's plan." Their God plans these horrific deaths?
>>> God planned the AIDS virus, the Bubonic plague and all the wars
>>> since time began? What kind of God would do that or look the other
>>> way and let such
>>> things continue?
>>> As for the animals... God has and shows no mercy for them or he
>>> would do something. People torture and kill them with impunity
>>> (crush videos are the worst) and this God does nothing! Of what
>>> use is this God? You can fervently pray for 2 people with cancer.
>>> One will live and the other will die. I just don't get it.
>>>
>>> There may be some kind of intelligent life out there in the
>>> universe, maybe it even created the Big Bang... but it sure as heck
>>> was no compassionate, loving, all-caring, all knowing God the
>>> believers talk about.
>>
>> The operative phrase in the above is, "Of what use is this God?"
>> Obviously, he has no use at all. Even if he exists, he is an
>> illogical dunce, and not worthy of any reguard at all, much less our
>> worship. A typewriter, thrown froim the roof of a 100 story
>> skyscraper has just as much chance of hitting a child on the
>> sidewalk below as it does of hitting a trash can. Only the
>> percentage of the sidewalk's surface occluded by both enters into
>> the equasion. In over two thousand years no God has had any effect
>> on the affairs of man or beast at all, even if one were to believe
>> in the Christian myth. So, if he has no effect, then why bother with
>> him? Surely we have more important things to concern ourselves with.
>> (Like taking care of a few feral cats.)
>
> An old adage says never argue about politics and religion; somehow, we
> can't help it. Taking care of feral cats is part of God's plan -
> preserving or attempting to preserve the sanctity of life:
>
> Matthew 25:40:
>
> "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
> Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my
> brethren, ye have done it unto me."
>
> Another thing: You have to define what you are denying. What do you
> mean by "God"? I've already told you what my conception is.
>
> Some of us believe that God appears to us in this. I didn't bother
> reading the notes at the very beginning before I listened to it and
> watched this amazing woman (watch her feet). The notes are spot-on:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2oCX9woz9U
>
> You may say that it's only a woman playing the organ. Well, that's
> just the point: Quod erat demonstrandum.

Remarkable. But this one p[lays in spite of the fact that God took away her
fingers.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Aq0sEf88

Mack A. Damia
December 1st 12, 11:00 PM
On Sat, 1 Dec 2012 13:02:11 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:19:47 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kelly Greene wrote:
>>>> "Bill Graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been an atheist all of my life. Even when I was a
>>>>> pre-schooler, when I went to church, and saw the others praying, I
>>>>> would ask, "Who ar they talking to?" and when they said, "God", I
>>>>> knew that there was no such thing and they were fooling themselves,
>>>>> or kidding, or wasting their time. Now, I tell the religious people
>>>>> who pester me to become a believer, that its a good thing I don't
>>>>> believe in their God, because if I did, I would hate his guts for
>>>>> all the pain and suffering he causes/allows to the millions of
>>>>> little furry creatures he freezes and starves to death every
>>>>> Winter.
>>>>
>>>> Amen brother Bill. I feel the exact same way. I had a friend who
>>>> always said, "Nothing fails like prayer." Somewhere along the line
>>>> I lost my faith and belief in the Christian/Jewish God. I believe
>>>> it happened slowly as I matured and saw and learned what went on in
>>>> the world. Where was/is this God when people and animals needed
>>>> him/it most? Nowhere to be found. When millions of people starve
>>>> to death and/or die of disease, my believer friends would say,
>>>> "It's part of God's plan." Their God plans these horrific deaths?
>>>> God planned the AIDS virus, the Bubonic plague and all the wars
>>>> since time began? What kind of God would do that or look the other
>>>> way and let such
>>>> things continue?
>>>> As for the animals... God has and shows no mercy for them or he
>>>> would do something. People torture and kill them with impunity
>>>> (crush videos are the worst) and this God does nothing! Of what
>>>> use is this God? You can fervently pray for 2 people with cancer.
>>>> One will live and the other will die. I just don't get it.
>>>>
>>>> There may be some kind of intelligent life out there in the
>>>> universe, maybe it even created the Big Bang... but it sure as heck
>>>> was no compassionate, loving, all-caring, all knowing God the
>>>> believers talk about.
>>>
>>> The operative phrase in the above is, "Of what use is this God?"
>>> Obviously, he has no use at all. Even if he exists, he is an
>>> illogical dunce, and not worthy of any reguard at all, much less our
>>> worship. A typewriter, thrown froim the roof of a 100 story
>>> skyscraper has just as much chance of hitting a child on the
>>> sidewalk below as it does of hitting a trash can. Only the
>>> percentage of the sidewalk's surface occluded by both enters into
>>> the equasion. In over two thousand years no God has had any effect
>>> on the affairs of man or beast at all, even if one were to believe
>>> in the Christian myth. So, if he has no effect, then why bother with
>>> him? Surely we have more important things to concern ourselves with.
>>> (Like taking care of a few feral cats.)
>>
>> An old adage says never argue about politics and religion; somehow, we
>> can't help it. Taking care of feral cats is part of God's plan -
>> preserving or attempting to preserve the sanctity of life:
>>
>> Matthew 25:40:
>>
>> "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
>> Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my
>> brethren, ye have done it unto me."
>>
>> Another thing: You have to define what you are denying. What do you
>> mean by "God"? I've already told you what my conception is.
>>
>> Some of us believe that God appears to us in this. I didn't bother
>> reading the notes at the very beginning before I listened to it and
>> watched this amazing woman (watch her feet). The notes are spot-on:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2oCX9woz9U
>>
>> You may say that it's only a woman playing the organ. Well, that's
>> just the point: Quod erat demonstrandum.
>
>Remarkable. But this one p[lays in spite of the fact that God took away her
>fingers.....
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Aq0sEf88

God gave her life but didn't promise that it would be an easy one.

Toes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MJ-NeXRcEk

(Playing doesn't start until 2:10)

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