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Consđ»cons
February 2nd 13, 04:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw




Karen

grimshaw
February 2nd 13, 07:14 AM
On Feb 1, 11:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> Karen

I have two cats.

I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.

Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
as follows:

Flora: The Dandelion

Fauna: Cats.

grimshaw
February 2nd 13, 07:20 AM
On Feb 2, 2:14┬*am, grimshaw > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> > Karen
>
> I have two cats.
>
> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>
> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
> as follows:
>
> Flora: ┬*The Dandelion
>
> Fauna: ┬*Cats.

There are feral cats in Antarctica. Always Tabby Cats.

Brought from explorer ships dating back to the days when your Grannie
was a glint in your Grandaddy's eye.

Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 05:50 PM
On 2/1/2013 11:14 PM, grimshaw wrote:

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> __________________________________________________ ___________




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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 05:50 PM
On 2/1/2013 11:14 PM, grimshaw wrote:

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> __________________________________________________ ___________




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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 05:51 PM
On 2/1/2013 11:20 PM, grimshaw wrote:

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> __________________________________________________ ___________



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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 06:02 PM
On 2/1/2013 8:51 PM, Consđ»cons wrote:

>
> Karen


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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 09:15 PM
On 2/2/2013 2:26 PM, wrote:



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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 10:19 PM
On 2/2/2013 2:26 PM, wrote:
> On


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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 10:19 PM
On 2/1/2013 11:14 PM, grimshaw wrote:
> O


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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 10:19 PM
On 2/1/2013 11:20 PM, grimshaw wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2:14 am, grimshaw > wrote:


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February 2nd 13, 10:26 PM
On Feb 1, 10:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> Karen
>
>
Not sure why we're being spammed unless klueless karen has a recipe
for baked kat. Hmmmm, maybe ''it's what's for dinner" in Canuck
country.

Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 10:55 PM
On 2/2/2013 4:36 PM, Bill Graham wrote:


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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 10:55 PM
On 2/2/2013 4:42 PM, Bill Graham wrote:


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Spam╬▓uster
February 2nd 13, 10:59 PM
On 2/2/2013 4:46 PM, Bill Graham aka

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Bill Graham
February 3rd 13, 12:36 AM
>
> Karen

When I was in Hong Kong with the US Navy back in the late 50's. I ate in a
small cafe in a section where I wasn't supposed to be. I couldn't read the
menu, so I ordered the most expensive thing on it, which was only about 25
cents US. I thought I was eating chicken and rice. When I paid the bill,
there was an old man by the door, and he said something to me in English, so
I asked him what I ate. "Cat" he said.

Perhaps that's why I keep so many cats now and treat them so well.....

Bill Graham
February 3rd 13, 12:42 AM
Cons?cons wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
>
>
>
> Karen

There are other hazards for cats, even here in the US. They use them for
medical research, and I had a freind who told me that they trap outside
cats, and if they don't have a collar, they will use them for this
purpose. - Just one more thing on my list of hazards that outside cats have
to face.

Bill Graham
February 3rd 13, 12:44 AM
grimshaw wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>
>> Karen
>
> I have two cats.
>
> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>
> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
> as follows:
>
> Flora: The Dandelion
>
> Fauna: Cats.

Wouldn't you know it! I love both dandelions and cats....

Bill Graham
February 3rd 13, 12:46 AM
grimshaw wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2:14┬ am, grimshaw > wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>
>>> Karen
>>
>> I have two cats.
>>
>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>
>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
>> as follows:
>>
>> Flora: ┬ The Dandelion
>>
>> Fauna: ┬ Cats.
>
> There are feral cats in Antarctica. Always Tabby Cats.
>
> Brought from explorer ships dating back to the days when your Grannie
> was a glint in your Grandaddy's eye.

So that's what is keeping the penguin population down! The same ships also
must have carried rats there. The cats are helping keep those in check,
too....

IBen Getiner[_3_]
February 3rd 13, 10:19 AM
On Feb 1, 11:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> Karen

Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the part
of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
them. ANY of them.



IBen

SpamBuster
February 3rd 13, 12:38 PM
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> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>


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(PeteCresswell)
February 3rd 13, 03:59 PM
Per Bill Graham:
>I thought I was eating chicken and rice. When I paid the bill,
>there was an old man by the door, and he said something to me in English, so
>I asked him what I ate. "Cat" he said.

Only person I know that's eaten cat says it tasted sour.
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Bill Graham
February 3rd 13, 06:15 PM
IBen Getiner wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>
>> Karen
>
> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
> Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
> our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
> cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
> into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the part
> of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
> common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
> can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
> 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
> them. ANY of them.
>
>
>
> IBen

It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality of their
life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in that film clip
are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and made to suffer while
they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian, and know that animals are
dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse
animals lead happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are
killed for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that
has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were killed for me.
This is part of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of
life that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that counts.
If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer
before then is very wrong.

Bill Graham
February 3rd 13, 06:20 PM
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Bill Graham:
>> I thought I was eating chicken and rice. When I paid the bill,
>> there was an old man by the door, and he said something to me in
>> English, so I asked him what I ate. "Cat" he said.
>
> Only person I know that's eaten cat says it tasted sour.

As I remember, it tasted like chicken. But it was all dark meat.

Mack A. Damia
February 3rd 13, 07:08 PM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>IBen Getiner wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>
>>> Karen
>>
>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
>> Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
>> our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
>> cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
>> into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the part
>> of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
>> common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
>> can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
>> 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
>> them. ANY of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> IBen
>
>It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality of their
>life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in that film clip
>are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and made to suffer while
>they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian, and know that animals are
>dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse
>animals lead happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are
>killed for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that
>has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were killed for me.
>This is part of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of
>life that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that counts.
>If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer
>before then is very wrong.

Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
Google Groups. Therefore......



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Mack A. Damia
February 3rd 13, 09:52 PM
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:38:12 -0800, SpamBuster >
wrote:

>On 2/3/2013 11:08 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>
>
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Bill Graham
February 4th 13, 02:01 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>
>>>> Karen
>>>
>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and
>>> make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West
>>> is the part of the world affected by total feminization, don't
>>> expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They think
>>> we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much
>>> emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even
>>> be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IBen
>>
>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in
>> that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and
>> made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian,
>> and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But
>> I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead happy relaxed lives
>> before they reach full growth and are killed for my dinner plate. I
>> eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that has been allowed to
>> roam the green prarie before they were killed for me. This is part
>> of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of life
>> that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that
>> counts. If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to
>> make them suffer before then is very wrong.
>
> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
> Google Groups. Therefore......
>
>
>
> \|||/
> (o o)
> ,--oo0--------------.
> | Please |
> | Don't Feed |
> | The TROLLs |
> '--------------oo0---'
> |__| |__|
> || ||
> ooO Ooo

Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat eaters, we
are responsible for the raising and killing of millions of animals every
year, so to disparage others for killing and eating cats is duplicious and
discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a chicken? And if not, then why
is it more dispicable to kill and eat one than a chicken? As a libertsrian
and mathematician who believes in logic I am duty bound to answer this
question. Just because cats are soft and furry and are comfortable on my
lap, does that give me the right to treat them better than chickens?

Mack A. Damia
February 4th 13, 02:11 AM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and
>>>> make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West
>>>> is the part of the world affected by total feminization, don't
>>>> expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They think
>>>> we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much
>>>> emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even
>>>> be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IBen
>>>
>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in
>>> that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and
>>> made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian,
>>> and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But
>>> I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead happy relaxed lives
>>> before they reach full growth and are killed for my dinner plate. I
>>> eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that has been allowed to
>>> roam the green prarie before they were killed for me. This is part
>>> of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of life
>>> that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that
>>> counts. If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to
>>> make them suffer before then is very wrong.
>>
>> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
>> Google Groups. Therefore......
>>
>>
>>
>> \|||/
>> (o o)
>> ,--oo0--------------.
>> | Please |
>> | Don't Feed |
>> | The TROLLs |
>> '--------------oo0---'
>> |__| |__|
>> || ||
>> ooO Ooo
>
>Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat eaters, we
>are responsible for the raising and killing of millions of animals every
>year, so to disparage others for killing and eating cats is duplicious and
>discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a chicken? And if not, then why
>is it more dispicable to kill and eat one than a chicken? As a libertsrian
>and mathematician who believes in logic I am duty bound to answer this
>question. Just because cats are soft and furry and are comfortable on my
>lap, does that give me the right to treat them better than chickens?

Our culture and its norms says that it's okay to eat chickens but not
alright under normal circumstances to eat cats. Other cultures may
vary, but we live in our culture, not that of others.

There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.

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Bill Graham
February 4th 13, 02:24 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
>>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
>>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
>>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk
>>>>> and make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the
>>>>> West is the part of the world affected by total feminization,
>>>>> don't expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They
>>>>> think we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them.
>>>>> Too much emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we
>>>>> won't even be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IBen
>>>>
>>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties
>>>> in that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny
>>>> cages and made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a
>>>> vegitarian, and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities
>>>> to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead
>>>> happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are killed
>>>> for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef
>>>> that has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were
>>>> killed for me. This is part of my argument that outside cats asre
>>>> OK. Its not the length of life that counts, but the quality of
>>>> life until the end comes, that counts. If they have to be killed
>>>> well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer before then is
>>>> very wrong.
>>>
>>> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
>>> Google Groups. Therefore......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> \|||/
>>> (o o)
>>> ,--oo0--------------.
>>> | Please |
>>> | Don't Feed |
>>> | The TROLLs |
>>> '--------------oo0---'
>>> |__| |__|
>>> || ||
>>> ooO Ooo
>>
>> Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat
>> eaters, we are responsible for the raising and killing of millions
>> of animals every year, so to disparage others for killing and eating
>> cats is duplicious and discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a
>> chicken? And if not, then why is it more dispicable to kill and eat
>> one than a chicken? As a libertsrian and mathematician who believes
>> in logic I am duty bound to answer this question. Just because cats
>> are soft and furry and are comfortable on my lap, does that give me
>> the right to treat them better than chickens?
>
> Our culture and its norms says that it's okay to eat chickens but not
> alright under normal circumstances to eat cats. Other cultures may
> vary, but we live in our culture, not that of others.
>
> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.

Not here in the USA, you mean. But in China, they obviously are. And in a
world where all of us have to live in peace and harmony together, (as the
liberals envision) how are we to handle the Chinese propensity to raise and
kill cats for food?

Mack A. Damia
February 4th 13, 02:40 AM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:24:52 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
>>>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
>>>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
>>>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk
>>>>>> and make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the
>>>>>> West is the part of the world affected by total feminization,
>>>>>> don't expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They
>>>>>> think we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them.
>>>>>> Too much emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we
>>>>>> won't even be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IBen
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>>>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties
>>>>> in that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny
>>>>> cages and made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a
>>>>> vegitarian, and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities
>>>>> to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead
>>>>> happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are killed
>>>>> for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef
>>>>> that has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were
>>>>> killed for me. This is part of my argument that outside cats asre
>>>>> OK. Its not the length of life that counts, but the quality of
>>>>> life until the end comes, that counts. If they have to be killed
>>>>> well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer before then is
>>>>> very wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
>>>> Google Groups. Therefore......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> \|||/
>>>> (o o)
>>>> ,--oo0--------------.
>>>> | Please |
>>>> | Don't Feed |
>>>> | The TROLLs |
>>>> '--------------oo0---'
>>>> |__| |__|
>>>> || ||
>>>> ooO Ooo
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat
>>> eaters, we are responsible for the raising and killing of millions
>>> of animals every year, so to disparage others for killing and eating
>>> cats is duplicious and discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a
>>> chicken? And if not, then why is it more dispicable to kill and eat
>>> one than a chicken? As a libertsrian and mathematician who believes
>>> in logic I am duty bound to answer this question. Just because cats
>>> are soft and furry and are comfortable on my lap, does that give me
>>> the right to treat them better than chickens?
>>
>> Our culture and its norms says that it's okay to eat chickens but not
>> alright under normal circumstances to eat cats. Other cultures may
>> vary, but we live in our culture, not that of others.
>>
>> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
>> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
>> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
>> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>
>Not here in the USA, you mean. But in China, they obviously are. And in a
>world where all of us have to live in peace and harmony together, (as the
>liberals envision) how are we to handle the Chinese propensity to raise and
>kill cats for food?

We don't. It's their culture. If you mean Chinese-Americans, then I
think there are local laws against that sort of thing. It's probably
done - but then so is cockfighting, a "sport" deeply engrained in
Hispanic culture. It's still a crime, though. All we can do is
support law enforcement whenever we can.

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>
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> On Feb 3, 9:01 pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> IBenGetinerwrote:
>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51 pm, ConsЯcons > wrote:
>>>>>


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>>>
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IBen Getiner[_3_]
February 4th 13, 04:28 AM
On Feb 3, 1:15*pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> IBenGetinerwrote:
> > On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> >> Karen
>
> > Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
> > Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
> > our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
> > cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
> > into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the part
> > of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
> > common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
> > can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
> > 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
> > them. ANY of them.
>
> >IBen
>
> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality of their
> life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in that film clip
> are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and made to suffer while
> they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian, and know that animals are
> dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse
> animals lead happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are
> killed for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that
> has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were killed for me.
> This is part of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of
> life that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that counts.
> If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer
> before then is very wrong.

No, Will.... You're WRONG. Today it's "Let's care about how we treat
them before theyĺre slaughtered". Tomorrow it's "Let's care about HOW
they're slaughtered". After that itĺs "How can you kill something NOW
that youĺve cared so much about all the way down the line?" We on the
Right know the drill, Will. That's why we won't give an inch on other
social issues (like gun control, for instance). We know all too well
what you Lefty *******s will do if given even the smallest foothold.
Sorry, but I say tough luck for all oriental kitties. They're just
insignificant animals anyway, if you want to get right down to itů.. I
mean, I love my kats too, but I never make the mistake of considering
them worthy of having human rights. I know where to draw the line,
see. Why donĺt you?

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February 4th 13, 04:32 AM
On Feb 3, 2:08*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >IBenGetinerwrote:
> >> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> >>> Karen
>
> >> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
> >> Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
> >> our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
> >> cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
> >> into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the part
> >> of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
> >> common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
> >> can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
> >> 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
> >> them. ANY of them.
>
> >>IBen
>
> >It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality of their
> >life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in that film clip
> >are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and made to suffer while
> >they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian, and know that animals are
> >dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse
> >animals lead happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are
> >killed for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that
> >has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were killed for me..
> >This is part of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of
> >life that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that counts.
> >If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer
> >before then is very wrong.
>
> Bill,IBenis a notorious troll on Usenet. *Check out his history on
> Google Groups. *Therefore......
>
> * * * * * * * *\|||/
> * * * * * * * (o o)
> * *,--oo0--------------.
> * *| * * * Please * * * * * *|
> * *| * *Don't Feed * * * *|
> * *| * The *TROLLs * * * |
> * *'--------------oo0---'
> * * * * * *|__| |__|
> * * * * * * *|| * ||
> * * * * *ooO *Ooo
>
> --

LOL....!!! You didn't like getting that socialist butt of yours kicked
over and over again, now did you, Mac the RAT...?? Well, say what you
pleeze. But it was my pleasure, you may believe THAT. Always a
pleasure dealing a blow to the unrighteous.

Spam╬▓uster
February 4th 13, 04:38 AM
On 2/3/2013 8:32 PM, IBen Getiner wrote:


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IBen Getiner[_3_]
February 4th 13, 04:41 AM
On Feb 3, 9:01*pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> > wrote:
>
> >>IBenGetinerwrote:
> >>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> >>>> Karen
>
> >>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
> >>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
> >>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
> >>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and
> >>> make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West
> >>> is the part of the world affected by total feminization, don't
> >>> expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They think
> >>> we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much
> >>> emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even
> >>> be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>
> >>>IBen
>
> >> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
> >> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in
> >> that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and
> >> made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian,
> >> and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But
> >> I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead happy relaxed lives
> >> before they reach full growth and are killed for my dinner plate. I
> >> eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that has been allowed to
> >> roam the green prarie before they were killed for me. This is part
> >> of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of life
> >> that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that
> >> counts. If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to
> >> make them suffer before then is very wrong.
>
> > Bill,IBenis a notorious troll on Usenet. *Check out his history on
> > Google Groups. *Therefore......
>
> > * * * * * * * \|||/
> > * * * * * * *(o o)
> > * ,--oo0--------------.
> > * | * * * Please * * * * * *|
> > * | * *Don't Feed * * * *|
> > * | * The *TROLLs * * * |
> > * '--------------oo0---'
> > * * * * * |__| |__|
> > * * * * * * || * ||
> > * * * * ooO *Ooo
>
> Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat eaters, we
> are responsible for the raising and killing of millions of animals every
> year, so to disparage others for killing and eating cats is duplicious and
> discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a chicken? And if not, then why
> is it more dispicable to kill and eat one than a chicken? As a libertsrian
> and mathematician who believes in logic I am duty bound to answer this
> question. Just because cats are soft and furry and are comfortable on my
> lap, does that give me the right to treat them better than chickens?

But the thing isů. you're dealing with a nation full of emotional
kooks these-days. On this issue the bottom line is fairly simple:
Chickens aren't CUTE AND FUZZY, whilst cats are! If it were the
chickens that were kool and not ugly, youĺd see these weirdoes singing
just the opposite tune.
Mac on the other hand, would probably love it. Then he wouldn't have
to get paranoid every time a neighbor saw him take one of his Ĺpetsĺ
into the house for his unholy purposes : )

IBen Getiner[_3_]
February 4th 13, 04:43 AM
On Feb 3, 9:24┬*pm, "Bill Graham" > wrote:
> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> > wrote:
>
> >> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>IBenGetinerwrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51 pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> >>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> >>>>>> Karen
>
> >>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
> >>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
> >>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
> >>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk
> >>>>> and make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the
> >>>>> West is the part of the world affected by total feminization,
> >>>>> don't expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They
> >>>>> think we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them.
> >>>>> Too much emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we
> >>>>> won't even be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>
> >>>>>IBen
>
> >>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
> >>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties
> >>>> in that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny
> >>>> cages and made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a
> >>>> vegitarian, and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities
> >>>> to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead
> >>>> happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are killed
> >>>> for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef
> >>>> that has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were
> >>>> killed for me. This is part of my argument that outside cats asre
> >>>> OK. Its not the length of life that counts, but the quality of
> >>>> life until the end comes, that counts. If they have to be killed
> >>>> well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer before then is
> >>>> very wrong.
>
> >>> Bill,IBenis a notorious troll on Usenet. ┬*Check out his history on
> >>> Google Groups. ┬*Therefore......
>
> >>> ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* \|||/
> >>> ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬*(o o)
> >>> ┬* ,--oo0--------------.
> >>> ┬* | ┬* ┬* ┬* Please ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬*|
> >>> ┬* | ┬* ┬*Don't Feed ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬*|
> >>> ┬* | ┬* The ┬*TROLLs ┬* ┬* ┬* |
> >>> ┬* '--------------oo0---'
> >>> ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* |__| |__|
> >>> ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* || ┬* ||
> >>> ┬* ┬* ┬* ┬* ooO ┬*Ooo
>
> >> Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat
> >> eaters, we are responsible for the raising and killing of millions
> >> of animals every year, so to disparage others for killing and eating
> >> cats is duplicious and discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a
> >> chicken? And if not, then why is it more dispicable to kill and eat
> >> one than a chicken? As a libertsrian and mathematician who believes
> >> in logic I am duty bound to answer this question. Just because cats
> >> are soft and furry and are comfortable on my lap, does that give me
> >> the right to treat them better than chickens?
>
> > Our culture and its norms says that it's okay to eat chickens but not
> > alright under normal circumstances to eat cats. ┬*Other cultures may
> > vary, but we live in our culture, not that of others.
>
> > There are those who despise the killing of any animal. ┬*My own cousin,
> > a clergyman, is a vegan. ┬*I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
> > grew weak and weary. ┬*So we reach a compromise. ┬*Livestock and poultry
> > are raised for consumption. ┬*Dogs and cats are not.
>
> Not here in the USA, you mean. But in China, they obviously are. And in a
> world where all of us have to live in peace and harmony together, (as the
> liberals envision) how are we to handle the Chinese propensity to raise and
> kill cats for food?

The same way the liberal mass media deals with any issue that produces
a double-edged sword contrary to that insane vision: IGNORE IT.

IBen Getiner[_3_]
February 4th 13, 04:46 AM
On Feb 3, 9:40*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:24:52 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>IBenGetinerwrote:
> >>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
> >>>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>
> >>>>>>> Karen
>
> >>>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
> >>>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
> >>>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
> >>>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk
> >>>>>> and make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the
> >>>>>> West is the part of the world affected by total feminization,
> >>>>>> don't expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They
> >>>>>> think we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them.
> >>>>>> Too much emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we
> >>>>>> won't even be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>
> >>>>>>IBen
>
> >>>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
> >>>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties
> >>>>> in that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny
> >>>>> cages and made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a
> >>>>> vegitarian, and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities
> >>>>> to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead
> >>>>> happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are killed
> >>>>> for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef
> >>>>> that has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were
> >>>>> killed for me. This is part of my argument that outside cats asre
> >>>>> OK. Its not the length of life that counts, but the quality of
> >>>>> life until the end comes, that counts. If they have to be killed
> >>>>> well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer before then is
> >>>>> very wrong.
>
> >>>> Bill,IBenis a notorious troll on Usenet. *Check out his history on
> >>>> Google Groups. *Therefore......
>
> >>>> * * * * * * * \|||/
> >>>> * * * * * * *(o o)
> >>>> * ,--oo0--------------.
> >>>> * | * * * Please * * * * * *|
> >>>> * | * *Don't Feed * * * *|
> >>>> * | * The *TROLLs * * * |
> >>>> * '--------------oo0---'
> >>>> * * * * * |__| |__|
> >>>> * * * * * * || * ||
> >>>> * * * * ooO *Ooo
>
> >>> Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat
> >>> eaters, we are responsible for the raising and killing of millions
> >>> of animals every year, so to disparage others for killing and eating
> >>> cats is duplicious and discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a
> >>> chicken? And if not, then why is it more dispicable to kill and eat
> >>> one than a chicken? As a libertsrian and mathematician who believes
> >>> in logic I am duty bound to answer this question. Just because cats
> >>> are soft and furry and are comfortable on my lap, does that give me
> >>> the right to treat them better than chickens?
>
> >> Our culture and its norms says that it's okay to eat chickens but not
> >> alright under normal circumstances to eat cats. *Other cultures may
> >> vary, but we live in our culture, not that of others.
>
> >> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. *My own cousin,
> >> a clergyman, is a vegan. *I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
> >> grew weak and weary. *So we reach a compromise. *Livestock and poultry
> >> are raised for consumption. *Dogs and cats are not.
>
> >Not here in the USA, you mean. But in China, they obviously are. And in a
> >world where all of us have to live in peace and harmony together, (as the
> >liberals envision) how are we to handle the Chinese propensity to raise and
> >kill cats for food?
>
> We don't. *It's their culture. *If you mean Chinese-Americans, then I
> think there are local laws against that sort of thing. *It's probably
> done - but then so is cockfighting, a "sport" deeply engrained in
> Hispanic culture. *It's still a crime, though. *All we can do is
> support law enforcement whenever we can.
>
> --

Why are you attempting to alter and corrupt other people's culture,
Mac the RAT...? I thought you were part of the "tolerant" bunch?
Obviously I was mistaken.

IBen Getiner[_3_]
February 4th 13, 04:47 AM
On Feb 3, 10:55┬*pm, Spam╬▓uster > wrote:
> On 2/3/2013 6:40 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
> SPAMMED INTO NON-RELEVANT NEWSGROUPS / COUNTRY

Oh, SHUT IT.... Nobody gives a rat'z azz about what you think OR what
kind of "mission" you think you're one. Nobody, Bubba.

Spam╬▓uster
February 4th 13, 05:08 AM
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February 4th 13, 05:11 AM
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February 4th 13, 05:11 AM
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February 4th 13, 05:12 AM
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dgk
February 4th 13, 03:17 PM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and
>>>> make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West
>>>> is the part of the world affected by total feminization, don't
>>>> expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They think
>>>> we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much
>>>> emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even
>>>> be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IBen
>>>
>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in
>>> that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and
>>> made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian,
>>> and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But
>>> I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead happy relaxed lives
>>> before they reach full growth and are killed for my dinner plate. I
>>> eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that has been allowed to
>>> roam the green prarie before they were killed for me. This is part
>>> of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of life
>>> that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that
>>> counts. If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to
>>> make them suffer before then is very wrong.
>>
>> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
>> Google Groups. Therefore......
>>
>>

>
>Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat eaters, we
>are responsible for the raising and killing of millions of animals every
>year, so to disparage others for killing and eating cats is duplicious and
>discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a chicken? And if not, then why
>is it more dispicable to kill and eat one than a chicken? As a libertsrian
>and mathematician who believes in logic I am duty bound to answer this
>question. Just because cats are soft and furry and are comfortable on my
>lap, does that give me the right to treat them better than chickens?

It's a reasonable argument. Many things done for cultural reaons make
little sense. Here in the USA, rabbits are one animal that crosses the
line from pet to food. Well, some kids keep frogs as pets and some
people eat their legs but since I was one of those kids who had a pet
frog I won't eat their legs.

I remember an interview with some farmer who said that the difference
is names. You can't name an animal that you plan to kill for food.

dgk
February 4th 13, 03:44 PM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 20:32:17 -0800 (PST), IBen Getiner
> wrote:

>On Feb 3, 2:08*pm, Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >IBenGetinerwrote:
>> >> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>
>> >>> Karen
>>
>> >> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
>> >> Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
>> >> our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
>> >> cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
>> >> into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the part
>> >> of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
>> >> common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
>> >> can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
>> >> 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
>> >> them. ANY of them.
>>
>> >>IBen
>>
>> >It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality of their
>> >life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties in that film clip
>> >are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages and made to suffer while
>> >they are waiting to die. I am not a vegitarian, and know that animals are
>> >dilled in large wuantities to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse
>> >animals lead happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are
>> >killed for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that
>> >has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were killed for me.
>> >This is part of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not the length of
>> >life that counts, but the quality of life until the end comes, that counts.
>> >If they have to be killed well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer
>> >before then is very wrong.
>>
>> Bill,IBenis a notorious troll on Usenet. *Check out his history on
>> Google Groups. *Therefore......
>>
>> * * * * * * * *\|||/
>> * * * * * * * (o o)
>> * *,--oo0--------------.
>> * *| * * * Please * * * * * *|
>> * *| * *Don't Feed * * * *|
>> * *| * The *TROLLs * * * |
>> * *'--------------oo0---'
>> * * * * * *|__| |__|
>> * * * * * * *|| * ||
>> * * * * *ooO *Ooo
>>
>> --
>
>LOL....!!! You didn't like getting that socialist butt of yours kicked
>over and over again, now did you, Mac the RAT...?? Well, say what you
>pleeze. But it was my pleasure, you may believe THAT. Always a
>pleasure dealing a blow to the unrighteous.


That's really funny. I always thought that Mac was pretty right wing.
I don't recall why at the moment and don't have time must now to
review past messages. I'm the socialist.

Spam╬▓uster
February 4th 13, 05:04 PM
On 2/4/2013 11:16 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> "Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
>> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
>> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
>> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>>
>


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February 4th 13, 05:05 PM
On 2/4/2013 11:55 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:16:06 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
>>> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
>>> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
>>> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>>>


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Spam╬▓uster
February 4th 13, 05:06 PM
On 2/4/2013 9:17 AM, dgk wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties
>>>> in that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny cages
>>>> and made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a
>>>> vegitarian, and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities to
>>>> feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead happy
>>>> relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are killed for my
>>>> dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef that has
>>>> been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were killed for
>>>> me. This is part of my argument that outside cats asre OK. Its not
>>>> the length of life that counts, but the quality of life until the
>>>> end comes, that counts. If they have to be killed well, that's one
>>>> thing. But to make them suffer before then is very wrong.
>>> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
>>> Google Groups. Therefore......
>>>
>>>
>

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February 4th 13, 05:07 PM
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> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 20:32:17 -0800 (PST), IBen Getiner
> > wrote:
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Spam╬▓uster
February 4th 13, 05:07 PM
On 2/4/2013 12:58 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> "Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:16:06 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
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SaPeIsMa
February 4th 13, 05:16 PM
"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>
> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>

They are in some countries

Mack A. Damia
February 4th 13, 05:55 PM
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:16:06 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" >
wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
>> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
>> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
>> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>>
>
>They are in some countries

Pay attention and focus.

This is what we have been discussing.

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Bill Graham
February 4th 13, 06:52 PM
IBen Getiner wrote:
> On Feb 3, 10:55┬ pm, Spam╬▓uster > wrote:
>> On 2/3/2013 6:40 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>
>> SPAMMED INTO NON-RELEVANT NEWSGROUPS / COUNTRY
>
> Oh, SHUT IT.... Nobody gives a rat'z azz about what you think OR what
> kind of "mission" you think you're one. Nobody, Bubba.

Besides, he's dead wrong. It is very relevant to this newsgroup what others
are doijng with their cats.

SaPeIsMa
February 4th 13, 06:58 PM
"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:16:06 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
>>> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
>>> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
>>> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>>>
>>
>>They are in some countries
>
> Pay attention and focus.
>
> This is what we have been discussing.
>

My sincere condolences that you never learned to read for comprehension.

Mack A. Damia
February 4th 13, 07:14 PM
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:58:57 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" >
wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 11:16:06 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> There are those who despise the killing of any animal. My own cousin,
>>>> a clergyman, is a vegan. I tried a vegitarian diet many years ago and
>>>> grew weak and weary. So we reach a compromise. Livestock and poultry
>>>> are raised for consumption. Dogs and cats are not.
>>>>
>>>
>>>They are in some countries
>>
>> Pay attention and focus.
>>
>> This is what we have been discussing.
>>
>
>My sincere condolences that you never learned to read for comprehension.

We know dogs and cats are raised in other countries for consumption,
idiot. If you took the time to read all the messages in the thread,
you wouldn't interject something that has already been discussed.

Fool.

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Mack A. Damia
February 4th 13, 07:18 PM
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 10:52:43 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>IBen Getiner wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 10:55┬ pm, Spam╬▓uster > wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2013 6:40 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>
>>> SPAMMED INTO NON-RELEVANT NEWSGROUPS / COUNTRY
>>
>> Oh, SHUT IT.... Nobody gives a rat'z azz about what you think OR what
>> kind of "mission" you think you're one. Nobody, Bubba.
>
>Besides, he's dead wrong. It is very relevant to this newsgroup what others
>are doijng with their cats.

It's best if you ignore this fool, Bill. He's a troll of the worst
order.

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February 4th 13, 09:33 PM
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February 4th 13, 09:34 PM
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Bill Graham
February 5th 13, 07:25 AM
dgk wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:01:24 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 10:15:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IBen Getiner wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow
>>>>> right? Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose
>>>>> to nourish our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat.
>>>>> And many cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk
>>>>> and make it into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the
>>>>> West is the part of the world affected by total feminization,
>>>>> don't expect other more common-sense peoples to be the same. They
>>>>> think we're crazy, and I can't say that I don't agree with them.
>>>>> Too much emphasis on animal 'rights'. Give them many more and we
>>>>> won't even be allowed to eat them. ANY of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IBen
>>>>
>>>> It isn't who we kill & eqat, but how they are kept and the quality
>>>> of their life while they are waiting to feed us. The poor kitties
>>>> in that film clip are not treated well, but hearded into tiny
>>>> cages and made to suffer while they are waiting to die. I am not a
>>>> vegitarian, and know that animals are dilled in large wuantities
>>>> to feed me. But I wouod like to think that thewse animals lead
>>>> happy relaxed lives before they reach full growth and are killed
>>>> for my dinner plate. I eat "full range raised" chickens and beef
>>>> that has been allowed to roam the green prarie before they were
>>>> killed for me. This is part of my argument that outside cats asre
>>>> OK. Its not the length of life that counts, but the quality of
>>>> life until the end comes, that counts. If they have to be killed
>>>> well, that's one thing. But to make them suffer before then is
>>>> very wrong.
>>>
>>> Bill, IBen is a notorious troll on Usenet. Check out his history on
>>> Google Groups. Therefore......
>>>
>>>
>
>>
>> Perhaps, but the point he is making is perfectly valid. As meat
>> eaters, we are responsible for the raising and killing of millions
>> of animals every year, so to disparage others for killing and eating
>> cats is duplicious and discriminatory. Does a cat suffer more than a
>> chicken? And if not, then why is it more dispicable to kill and eat
>> one than a chicken? As a libertsrian and mathematician who believes
>> in logic I am duty bound to answer this question. Just because cats
>> are soft and furry and are comfortable on my lap, does that give me
>> the right to treat them better than chickens?
>
> It's a reasonable argument. Many things done for cultural reaons make
> little sense. Here in the USA, rabbits are one animal that crosses the
> line from pet to food. Well, some kids keep frogs as pets and some
> people eat their legs but since I was one of those kids who had a pet
> frog I won't eat their legs.
>
> I remember an interview with some farmer who said that the difference
> is names. You can't name an animal that you plan to kill for food.

A friend of my parents owned a pig farm in Louisiana. They made the mistake
of making a pet out of one of the pigs who was the, "runt" of the litter.
Then, one day, when he grew up, he got loose into the rest of the pigs, and
of course, when they called, "Here Oinky" all the pigs came running, so they
couldn't tell which one was Oinky, and whenever they had to kill a pig from
then on, they thought it might be Oinky....

Spam╬▓uster
February 7th 13, 11:40 PM
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walsingham
February 17th 13, 04:38 AM
grimshaw > wrote in news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
:

> On Feb 1, 11:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>
>> Karen
>
> I have two cats.
>
> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>
> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
> as follows:
>
> Flora: The Dandelion
>
> Fauna: Cats.
>
>
>
The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are humans!!

walsingham
February 17th 13, 04:46 AM
"Bill Graham" > wrote in
:

>>
>> Karen
>
> When I was in Hong Kong with the US Navy back in the late 50's. I ate
> in a small cafe in a section where I wasn't supposed to be. I
couldn't
> read the menu, so I ordered the most expensive thing on it, which was
> only about 25 cents US. I thought I was eating chicken and rice. When
> I paid the bill, there was an old man by the door, and he said
> something to me in English, so I asked him what I ate. "Cat" he said.
>
> Perhaps that's why I keep so many cats now and treat them so
well.....
>
>
Is THAT why all the queue-jumper Chinese are heading for New Zealand???

walsingham
February 17th 13, 04:58 AM
IBen Getiner > wrote in news:b3777720-3556-4039-
:

> On Feb 1, 11:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>
>> Karen
>
> Who are we to say that the Chinese are wrong and we're somehow right?
> Isn't cat meat food just like anything else that we choose to nourish
> our bodies with? The Vietnamese people love dog meat. And many
> cultures not only eat horse, but also drink their milk and make it
> into butter and cheese and so-forth. Just because the West is the
part
> of the world affected by total feminization, don't expect other more
> common-sense peoples to be the same. They think we're crazy, and I
> can't say that I don't agree with them. Too much emphasis on animal
> 'rights'. Give them many more and we won't even be allowed to eat
> them. ANY of them.
>
>
>
> IBen
>
I am informed that human animals taste like and are therefore descibed
as 'long-pig', by certain cultures that still exist. I don't eat pork
so cannot comment on that! BTW, animal rights---jeez--next thing you
know, they'll lock up psychopaths and other paedophiles!

Je▀us[_2_]
February 17th 13, 06:50 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
> wrote:

>grimshaw > wrote in news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
:
>
>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬*pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>
>>> Karen
>>
>> I have two cats.
>>
>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>
>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
>> as follows:
>>
>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>
>> Fauna: Cats.
>>
>>
>>
>The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are humans!!

Right you are.

Bill Graham
February 17th 13, 10:08 PM
Je▀us wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
> > wrote:
>
>> grimshaw > wrote in
>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>> :
>>
>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>
>>>> Karen
>>>
>>> I have two cats.
>>>
>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>
>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
>>> as follows:
>>>
>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>
>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are humans!!
>
> Right you are.

Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life that counts,
but the quality of life for as long as you have it. When you are ready to
eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for whatever reason, then sneak up on it
and, when it doesn;t suspect anything, kill it quickly, and don;t look back.
But either way, I would suffer, because I miss my buddies when they are
gone. Not for them, but for myself. I just wish that some kind person would
do the same for me.... Sneak up behind me and when I least expect it, shoot
me in the back of the head. What a nice way to go!

Mack A. Damia
February 17th 13, 10:10 PM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Je▀us wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>> :
>>>
>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>
>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America are
>>>> as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>
>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are humans!!
>>
>> Right you are.
>
>Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life that counts,
>but the quality of life for as long as you have it. When you are ready to
>eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for whatever reason, then sneak up on it
>and, when it doesn;t suspect anything, kill it quickly, and don;t look back.
>But either way, I would suffer, because I miss my buddies when they are
>gone. Not for them, but for myself. I just wish that some kind person would
>do the same for me.... Sneak up behind me and when I least expect it, shoot
>me in the back of the head. What a nice way to go!

The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".

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February 17th 13, 10:21 PM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Je▀us wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>
>>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America
>>>>> are as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>>
>>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are
>>>> humans!!
>>>
>>> Right you are.
>>
>> Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life that
>> counts, but the quality of life for as long as you have it. When you
>> are ready to eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for whatever
>> reason, then sneak up on it and, when it doesn;t suspect anything,
>> kill it quickly, and don;t look back. But either way, I would
>> suffer, because I miss my buddies when they are gone. Not for them,
>> but for myself. I just wish that some kind person would do the same
>> for me.... Sneak up behind me and when I least expect it, shoot me
>> in the back of the head. What a nice way to go!
>
> The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".

But I disagree. That's what I am saying.... Its how, and not when. The
universe is many billions of years ole, and we are only here for a few dozen
years. A mere drop in the ocean of time. So its the quality of life that
counts, and not the quantity. What dies it matter whether you live for 50
years or five? If you are happy during those five, and don't suffer when you
die, well, what more could you want?

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 12:00 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:21:58 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America
>>>>>> are as follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are
>>>>> humans!!
>>>>
>>>> Right you are.
>>>
>>> Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life that
>>> counts, but the quality of life for as long as you have it. When you
>>> are ready to eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for whatever
>>> reason, then sneak up on it and, when it doesn;t suspect anything,
>>> kill it quickly, and don;t look back. But either way, I would
>>> suffer, because I miss my buddies when they are gone. Not for them,
>>> but for myself. I just wish that some kind person would do the same
>>> for me.... Sneak up behind me and when I least expect it, shoot me
>>> in the back of the head. What a nice way to go!
>>
>> The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".
>
>But I disagree. That's what I am saying.... Its how, and not when. The
>universe is many billions of years ole, and we are only here for a few dozen
>years. A mere drop in the ocean of time. So its the quality of life that
>counts, and not the quantity. What dies it matter whether you live for 50
>years or five? If you are happy during those five, and don't suffer when you
>die, well, what more could you want?

I don't know about you, but I want to live as long as I can. So far,
it's been one hell of a ride, and it ain't over yet. Who is that says
to others as a compliment, "May you live in interesting times."?

A life that ends at five years old is a tragedy. Life will always
have its ups and downs, but facing and dealing with them in a positive
way is your gift to others and the next generation. What is your
legacy on this earth? That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?
That you were a criminal? That you disregarded the rights and
feelings of others? Or that you at least tried to spread harmony,
peace and joy to others - especially those less fortunate than you.
It matters, and it matters a great deal.

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February 18th 13, 12:11 AM
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> Je├čus wrote:

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February 18th 13, 12:12 AM
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> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
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February 18th 13, 12:12 AM
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Spam╬▓uster
February 18th 13, 12:12 AM
On 2/17/2013 4:00 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:21:58 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
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Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 12:30 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:21:58 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>>>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America
>>>>>>> are as follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are
>>>>>> humans!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Right you are.
>>>>
>>>> Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life that
>>>> counts, but the quality of life for as long as you have it. When
>>>> you are ready to eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for whatever
>>>> reason, then sneak up on it and, when it doesn;t suspect anything,
>>>> kill it quickly, and don;t look back. But either way, I would
>>>> suffer, because I miss my buddies when they are gone. Not for them,
>>>> but for myself. I just wish that some kind person would do the same
>>>> for me.... Sneak up behind me and when I least expect it, shoot me
>>>> in the back of the head. What a nice way to go!
>>>
>>> The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".
>>
>> But I disagree. That's what I am saying.... Its how, and not when.
>> The universe is many billions of years ole, and we are only here for
>> a few dozen years. A mere drop in the ocean of time. So its the
>> quality of life that counts, and not the quantity. What dies it
>> matter whether you live for 50 years or five? If you are happy
>> during those five, and don't suffer when you die, well, what more
>> could you want?
>
> I don't know about you, but I want to live as long as I can. So far,
> it's been one hell of a ride, and it ain't over yet. Who is that says
> to others as a compliment, "May you live in interesting times."?
>
> A life that ends at five years old is a tragedy. Life will always
> have its ups and downs, but facing and dealing with them in a positive
> way is your gift to others and the next generation. What is your
> legacy on this earth? That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?
> That you were a criminal? That you disregarded the rights and
> feelings of others? Or that you at least tried to spread harmony,
> peace and joy to others - especially those less fortunate than you.
> It matters, and it matters a great deal.

In my own personal casse, I faught for the rights of others against an
opressive government that was fast taking their rights away, but that's not
what I was talking about. I was talking about life and death, and why the
quality of life is much more important that its length. If you disagree,
then you are free to live your life in misery and slavery, without the
opportunity to go where you please, and live as you please. For me, I would
rather have died at 5 than lived in misery all of my life. But there are
many who disagree with me. I call thewse people, "liberals" They would
rather enslave everyone to there own particular life style, especially if it
buys everyone a few more days/months of life. they would rather live to be
80 in misery than die at 60 with freedom. I would feel sorry for these
people, were it not for the fact that theirs is the life style that they
will sell to the society, and force everyone to live. They are the omes who
would sell out our freedoms for a few more days of existence. Do you like
candy? Well, its not good for you, so, bu God, we should make a law against
it so everyone lives an average of three more months. Who cares whether Bill
Graham would rather give up those months in order to enjoy hiw candy? The
society needs his taxes, so they have the right to force hom to live three
extra months without candy. This is the mindset of the liberal. It would be
laughable, were it not so sad.

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 12:33 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
...That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?

When did I do that? Is that what you call disagreeing with anything I said?
"Flaming the newsgroup with obscenities"?

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 12:39 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:30:44 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:21:58 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>>>>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North America
>>>>>>>> are as follows:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are
>>>>>>> humans!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life that
>>>>> counts, but the quality of life for as long as you have it. When
>>>>> you are ready to eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for whatever
>>>>> reason, then sneak up on it and, when it doesn;t suspect anything,
>>>>> kill it quickly, and don;t look back. But either way, I would
>>>>> suffer, because I miss my buddies when they are gone. Not for them,
>>>>> but for myself. I just wish that some kind person would do the same
>>>>> for me.... Sneak up behind me and when I least expect it, shoot me
>>>>> in the back of the head. What a nice way to go!
>>>>
>>>> The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".
>>>
>>> But I disagree. That's what I am saying.... Its how, and not when.
>>> The universe is many billions of years ole, and we are only here for
>>> a few dozen years. A mere drop in the ocean of time. So its the
>>> quality of life that counts, and not the quantity. What dies it
>>> matter whether you live for 50 years or five? If you are happy
>>> during those five, and don't suffer when you die, well, what more
>>> could you want?
>>
>> I don't know about you, but I want to live as long as I can. So far,
>> it's been one hell of a ride, and it ain't over yet. Who is that says
>> to others as a compliment, "May you live in interesting times."?
>>
>> A life that ends at five years old is a tragedy. Life will always
>> have its ups and downs, but facing and dealing with them in a positive
>> way is your gift to others and the next generation. What is your
>> legacy on this earth? That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?
>> That you were a criminal? That you disregarded the rights and
>> feelings of others? Or that you at least tried to spread harmony,
>> peace and joy to others - especially those less fortunate than you.
>> It matters, and it matters a great deal.
>
>In my own personal casse, I faught for the rights of others against an
>opressive government that was fast taking their rights away, but that's not
>what I was talking about. I was talking about life and death, and why the
>quality of life is much more important that its length. If you disagree,
>then you are free to live your life in misery and slavery, without the
>opportunity to go where you please, and live as you please. For me, I would
>rather have died at 5 than lived in misery all of my life. But there are
>many who disagree with me. I call thewse people, "liberals" They would
>rather enslave everyone to there own particular life style, especially if it
>buys everyone a few more days/months of life. they would rather live to be
>80 in misery than die at 60 with freedom. I would feel sorry for these
>people, were it not for the fact that theirs is the life style that they
>will sell to the society, and force everyone to live. They are the omes who
>would sell out our freedoms for a few more days of existence. Do you like
>candy? Well, its not good for you, so, bu God, we should make a law against
>it so everyone lives an average of three more months. Who cares whether Bill
>Graham would rather give up those months in order to enjoy hiw candy? The
>society needs his taxes, so they have the right to force hom to live three
>extra months without candy. This is the mindset of the liberal. It would be
>laughable, were it not so sad.

On every political scale instrument that I have taken, I'm about as
"liberal" as you can get, and I don't think this way. I don't care
what you put in your body, but don't stand in the way of having foods
sold to the public tested for purity, etc.

I'm not interested at all in enslaving you to my lifestyle, so I don't
know what you mean. You must be specific if you want me to address
issues.

I think you are zeroing in on a few left-wing nuts and their kinky
beliefs and projecting their eccentricities onto the entire Democratic
party.

--

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 12:39 AM
You liberals would have us all living in paqdded cells, so we couldn't do
anything dangerous that might shorten our lives a little bit, and
shortchange the rest of society a few dollars in income taxes.... Just the
increase3 in statistical longevity is excuse enough for you to give up any
quality of life that freedom might bring... What a sorry bunch of *******s
you are...... Wherever Patrick Henry went when he died... That's where I
want to go......

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 12:42 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:33:54 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
> ...That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?
>
>When did I do that? Is that what you call disagreeing with anything I said?
>"Flaming the newsgroup with obscenities"?

What is your (anybody's) legacy on this earth. It was not a personal
attack.

--

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 12:44 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:39:28 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>You liberals would have us all living in paqdded cells, so we couldn't do
>anything dangerous that might shorten our lives a little bit, and
>shortchange the rest of society a few dollars in income taxes.... Just the
>increase3 in statistical longevity is excuse enough for you to give up any
>quality of life that freedom might bring... What a sorry bunch of *******s
>you are...... Wherever Patrick Henry went when he died... That's where I
>want to go......

You can hang yourself, and I'll supply the rope, if that's what you
want to do. I don't know what you are rambling about.

--

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 12:46 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:30:44 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:21:58 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North
>>>>>>>>> America are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are
>>>>>>>> humans!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life
>>>>>> that counts, but the quality of life for as long as you have it.
>>>>>> When you are ready to eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for
>>>>>> whatever reason, then sneak up on it and, when it doesn;t
>>>>>> suspect anything, kill it quickly, and don;t look back. But
>>>>>> either way, I would suffer, because I miss my buddies when they
>>>>>> are gone. Not for them, but for myself. I just wish that some
>>>>>> kind person would do the same for me.... Sneak up behind me and
>>>>>> when I least expect it, shoot me in the back of the head. What a
>>>>>> nice way to go!
>>>>>
>>>>> The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".
>>>>
>>>> But I disagree. That's what I am saying.... Its how, and not when.
>>>> The universe is many billions of years ole, and we are only here
>>>> for a few dozen years. A mere drop in the ocean of time. So its the
>>>> quality of life that counts, and not the quantity. What dies it
>>>> matter whether you live for 50 years or five? If you are happy
>>>> during those five, and don't suffer when you die, well, what more
>>>> could you want?
>>>
>>> I don't know about you, but I want to live as long as I can. So
>>> far, it's been one hell of a ride, and it ain't over yet. Who is
>>> that says to others as a compliment, "May you live in interesting
>>> times."?
>>>
>>> A life that ends at five years old is a tragedy. Life will always
>>> have its ups and downs, but facing and dealing with them in a
>>> positive way is your gift to others and the next generation. What
>>> is your legacy on this earth? That you flamed newsgroups with
>>> obscenities? That you were a criminal? That you disregarded the
>>> rights and feelings of others? Or that you at least tried to
>>> spread harmony, peace and joy to others - especially those less
>>> fortunate than you. It matters, and it matters a great deal.
>>
>> In my own personal casse, I faught for the rights of others against
>> an opressive government that was fast taking their rights away, but
>> that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about life and
>> death, and why the quality of life is much more important that its
>> length. If you disagree, then you are free to live your life in
>> misery and slavery, without the opportunity to go where you please,
>> and live as you please. For me, I would rather have died at 5 than
>> lived in misery all of my life. But there are many who disagree with
>> me. I call thewse people, "liberals" They would rather enslave
>> everyone to there own particular life style, especially if it buys
>> everyone a few more days/months of life. they would rather live to
>> be 80 in misery than die at 60 with freedom. I would feel sorry for
>> these people, were it not for the fact that theirs is the life style
>> that they will sell to the society, and force everyone to live. They
>> are the omes who would sell out our freedoms for a few more days of
>> existence. Do you like candy? Well, its not good for you, so, bu
>> God, we should make a law against it so everyone lives an average of
>> three more months. Who cares whether Bill Graham would rather give
>> up those months in order to enjoy hiw candy? The society needs his
>> taxes, so they have the right to force hom to live three extra
>> months without candy. This is the mindset of the liberal. It would
>> be laughable, were it not so sad.
>
> On every political scale instrument that I have taken, I'm about as
> "liberal" as you can get, and I don't think this way. I don't care
> what you put in your body, but don't stand in the way of having foods
> sold to the public tested for purity, etc.
>
> I'm not interested at all in enslaving you to my lifestyle, so I don't
> know what you mean. You must be specific if you want me to address
> issues.
>
> I think you are zeroing in on a few left-wing nuts and their kinky
> beliefs and projecting their eccentricities onto the entire Democratic
> party.

Your words are cheap, but you still are happy with the drug laws that
prohibit individuals from buying and ingesting whatever they want. And the
Rx laws that give physicians the right to dictate to us by law what the
society thinks is, "good for us". You guys love authority. Certasinly you
love it a hell of a lot more than freedom. You are so quick to give up your
freedoms to it. You not only disrespect an individuals desire to stand on
his own two feet, but you actually make laws prohibiting him from doing so!
A pox on your liberalism. Slavery by any other name is still salvery.

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 12:49 AM
Bill Graham wrote:
> Mack A. Damia wrote:
> ...That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?
>
> When did I do that? Is that what you call disagreeing with anything I
> said? "Flaming the newsgroup with obscenities"?

You liberals, and your insane desire to give up your liberties for the,
"good of the colony" are the real obcenity....

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 12:52 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:46:13 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:30:44 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:21:58 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:08:19 -0800, "Bill Graham"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 04:38:34 GMT, walsingham
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> grimshaw > wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:f6a82381-90b1-45a2-8635-
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 11:51┬ pm, Consđ»cons > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_5K-MHjxMw
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have two cats.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I understand that they are both furry, cute Psycho Killers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you know that the two most invasive species in North
>>>>>>>>>> America are as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flora: The Dandelion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fauna: Cats.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The most invasive species in North merka and elsewhere, are
>>>>>>>>> humans!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cows eat dandelions. - I eat cows. It ain't the length of life
>>>>>>> that counts, but the quality of life for as long as you have it.
>>>>>>> When you are ready to eat it, or can;t keep it any longer for
>>>>>>> whatever reason, then sneak up on it and, when it doesn;t
>>>>>>> suspect anything, kill it quickly, and don;t look back. But
>>>>>>> either way, I would suffer, because I miss my buddies when they
>>>>>>> are gone. Not for them, but for myself. I just wish that some
>>>>>>> kind person would do the same for me.... Sneak up behind me and
>>>>>>> when I least expect it, shoot me in the back of the head. What a
>>>>>>> nice way to go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The crux of the issue, though, is not "how" but "when".
>>>>>
>>>>> But I disagree. That's what I am saying.... Its how, and not when.
>>>>> The universe is many billions of years ole, and we are only here
>>>>> for a few dozen years. A mere drop in the ocean of time. So its the
>>>>> quality of life that counts, and not the quantity. What dies it
>>>>> matter whether you live for 50 years or five? If you are happy
>>>>> during those five, and don't suffer when you die, well, what more
>>>>> could you want?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about you, but I want to live as long as I can. So
>>>> far, it's been one hell of a ride, and it ain't over yet. Who is
>>>> that says to others as a compliment, "May you live in interesting
>>>> times."?
>>>>
>>>> A life that ends at five years old is a tragedy. Life will always
>>>> have its ups and downs, but facing and dealing with them in a
>>>> positive way is your gift to others and the next generation. What
>>>> is your legacy on this earth? That you flamed newsgroups with
>>>> obscenities? That you were a criminal? That you disregarded the
>>>> rights and feelings of others? Or that you at least tried to
>>>> spread harmony, peace and joy to others - especially those less
>>>> fortunate than you. It matters, and it matters a great deal.
>>>
>>> In my own personal casse, I faught for the rights of others against
>>> an opressive government that was fast taking their rights away, but
>>> that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about life and
>>> death, and why the quality of life is much more important that its
>>> length. If you disagree, then you are free to live your life in
>>> misery and slavery, without the opportunity to go where you please,
>>> and live as you please. For me, I would rather have died at 5 than
>>> lived in misery all of my life. But there are many who disagree with
>>> me. I call thewse people, "liberals" They would rather enslave
>>> everyone to there own particular life style, especially if it buys
>>> everyone a few more days/months of life. they would rather live to
>>> be 80 in misery than die at 60 with freedom. I would feel sorry for
>>> these people, were it not for the fact that theirs is the life style
>>> that they will sell to the society, and force everyone to live. They
>>> are the omes who would sell out our freedoms for a few more days of
>>> existence. Do you like candy? Well, its not good for you, so, bu
>>> God, we should make a law against it so everyone lives an average of
>>> three more months. Who cares whether Bill Graham would rather give
>>> up those months in order to enjoy hiw candy? The society needs his
>>> taxes, so they have the right to force hom to live three extra
>>> months without candy. This is the mindset of the liberal. It would
>>> be laughable, were it not so sad.
>>
>> On every political scale instrument that I have taken, I'm about as
>> "liberal" as you can get, and I don't think this way. I don't care
>> what you put in your body, but don't stand in the way of having foods
>> sold to the public tested for purity, etc.
>>
>> I'm not interested at all in enslaving you to my lifestyle, so I don't
>> know what you mean. You must be specific if you want me to address
>> issues.
>>
>> I think you are zeroing in on a few left-wing nuts and their kinky
>> beliefs and projecting their eccentricities onto the entire Democratic
>> party.
>
>Your words are cheap, but you still are happy with the drug laws that
>prohibit individuals from buying and ingesting whatever they want. And the
>Rx laws that give physicians the right to dictate to us by law what the
>society thinks is, "good for us". You guys love authority. Certasinly you
>love it a hell of a lot more than freedom. You are so quick to give up your
>freedoms to it. You not only disrespect an individuals desire to stand on
>his own two feet, but you actually make laws prohibiting him from doing so!
>A pox on your liberalism. Slavery by any other name is still salvery.

You know nothing about me or genuine Liberalism.

Empty vessels makes the most noise.

--

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 12:54 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:49:16 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Bill Graham wrote:
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> ...That you flamed newsgroups with obscenities?
>>
>> When did I do that? Is that what you call disagreeing with anything I
>> said? "Flaming the newsgroup with obscenities"?
>
>You liberals, and your insane desire to give up your liberties for the,
>"good of the colony" are the real obcenity....

You are brain-dead.

Somebody please pull the plug.

--

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 12:55 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:39:28 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> You liberals would have us all living in paqdded cells, so we
>> couldn't do anything dangerous that might shorten our lives a little
>> bit, and shortchange the rest of society a few dollars in income
>> taxes.... Just the increase3 in statistical longevity is excuse
>> enough for you to give up any quality of life that freedom might
>> bring... What a sorry bunch of *******s you are...... Wherever
>> Patrick Henry went when he died... That's where I want to go......
>
> You can hang yourself, and I'll supply the rope, if that's what you
> want to do. I don't know what you are rambling about.

Be careful. If you did supply me with the rope, they would prosecute you for
"aiding and abetting" in the commission of a crime. If you really don;t care
what I do with my own life, then why are you happy with some MD having the
right to dictate to you by lkaw what medicines you choose to ingest? But, in
fact, that's exactly the case. And why do you want the society to force me
to wear a helmey when I ride my cycle? If anything, you would be more in
peril were we to have an accident when I am wearing it than without it.
Especially since it restricts my peripheral vision swomewhat. But you just
love those laws, don't you?

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 01:06 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:55:14 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:39:28 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You liberals would have us all living in paqdded cells, so we
>>> couldn't do anything dangerous that might shorten our lives a little
>>> bit, and shortchange the rest of society a few dollars in income
>>> taxes.... Just the increase3 in statistical longevity is excuse
>>> enough for you to give up any quality of life that freedom might
>>> bring... What a sorry bunch of *******s you are...... Wherever
>>> Patrick Henry went when he died... That's where I want to go......
>>
>> You can hang yourself, and I'll supply the rope, if that's what you
>> want to do. I don't know what you are rambling about.
>
>Be careful. If you did supply me with the rope, they would prosecute you for
>"aiding and abetting" in the commission of a crime. If you really don;t care
>what I do with my own life, then why are you happy with some MD having the
>right to dictate to you by lkaw what medicines you choose to ingest? But, in
>fact, that's exactly the case. And why do you want the society to force me
>to wear a helmey when I ride my cycle? If anything, you would be more in
>peril were we to have an accident when I am wearing it than without it.
>Especially since it restricts my peripheral vision swomewhat. But you just
>love those laws, don't you?

I don't ride a motorcycle, and I don't care if you wear a helmet or
not. However, if you are not wearing a helmet, and you get a severe
head injury, is it okay not to treat you at the local ER if you don't
have insurance? (Rhetorical question) Even if you do have insurance,
your accident and injuries are driving my premiums higher, so maybe
that's why a helmet is a good idea.

I would just leave a "liberal" amount of rope in a bag, and you could
pick it up by mistake. I'd even swear under oath that you didn't
steal it.

--

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 01:34 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:55:14 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:39:28 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You liberals would have us all living in paqdded cells, so we
>>>> couldn't do anything dangerous that might shorten our lives a
>>>> little bit, and shortchange the rest of society a few dollars in
>>>> income taxes.... Just the increase3 in statistical longevity is
>>>> excuse enough for you to give up any quality of life that freedom
>>>> might bring... What a sorry bunch of *******s you are......
>>>> Wherever Patrick Henry went when he died... That's where I want to
>>>> go......
>>>
>>> You can hang yourself, and I'll supply the rope, if that's what you
>>> want to do. I don't know what you are rambling about.
>>
>> Be careful. If you did supply me with the rope, they would prosecute
>> you for "aiding and abetting" in the commission of a crime. If you
>> really don;t care what I do with my own life, then why are you happy
>> with some MD having the right to dictate to you by lkaw what
>> medicines you choose to ingest? But, in fact, that's exactly the
>> case. And why do you want the society to force me to wear a helmey
>> when I ride my cycle? If anything, you would be more in peril were
>> we to have an accident when I am wearing it than without it.
>> Especially since it restricts my peripheral vision swomewhat. But
>> you just love those laws, don't you?
>
> I don't ride a motorcycle, and I don't care if you wear a helmet or
> not. However, if you are not wearing a helmet, and you get a severe
> head injury, is it okay not to treat you at the local ER if you don't
> have insurance? (Rhetorical question) Even if you do have insurance,
> your accident and injuries are driving my premiums higher, so maybe
> that's why a helmet is a good idea.
>
> I would just leave a "liberal" amount of rope in a bag, and you could
> pick it up by mistake. I'd even swear under oath that you didn't
> steal it.

Yes, insurance premiums are the typical liberal excuse for their padded cell
laws. But I didn't make the law that says hospitals have to treat everyone
they get whether they are insured or not. I have carried a full boat of
medical insurance since I first began working back in 1960. Now, it turns
out that the whole medical industry is socialized, so it doesn't matter
whether people like me ever existed or not. Our tax dollars are going into
the pockets of those who never bought a dime's worth of medical insurance,
and the trailer courts on the outskirts of every city in the US are also
filled with people who never saved a dime for their own retirement and are
now forced to live off of their Social Security checks. And that, folks, is
the face of our, "Brave New World."

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 02:10 AM
Bill Graham wrote:
> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now for a
> number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the "Arbornomics"
> theory that there exists a money tree in Washington DC that can be
> plucked for money. Where do you think the money to treat all those
> bums off the street comes from? the hospitals certainly can't print
> it in their basements. Why, the staste pays them out of our tax
> dollars, of course, and they also get federal money too. (also, of
> course out of our tax dollars) So what's the difference?
> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford medical
> services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And, knowing this,
> they would (presumably) cut a little money out of their pay checks to
> buy that insurance from one or more of many companies who were all
> competing for their money. (what a concept!) The government would
> have little or nothing to do with it. Why, with any luck, they would
> only charge us about 10% of our pay in income taxes instead of the
> nearly 50% they are currently charging. (Federal, state, property,
> auto reg fees, and sales taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might
> actually retreat from half socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I
> might even be able to afford a couple of more cats!

At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I wanted with
that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever the government thinks
would be best for the society to give me.

Bill Graham
February 18th 13, 02:19 AM
Bill Graham wrote:
> Bill Graham wrote:
>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now for
>> a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the "Arbornomics"
>> theory that there exists a money tree in Washington DC that can be
>> plucked for money. Where do you think the money to treat all those
>> bums off the street comes from? the hospitals certainly can't print
>> it in their basements. Why, the staste pays them out of our tax
>> dollars, of course, and they also get federal money too. (also, of
>> course out of our tax dollars) So what's the difference?
>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford medical
>> services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And, knowing this,
>> they would (presumably) cut a little money out of their pay checks to
>> buy that insurance from one or more of many companies who were all
>> competing for their money. (what a concept!) The government would
>> have little or nothing to do with it. Why, with any luck, they would
>> only charge us about 10% of our pay in income taxes instead of the
>> nearly 50% they are currently charging. (Federal, state, property,
>> auto reg fees, and sales taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might
>> actually retreat from half socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I
>> might even be able to afford a couple of more cats!
>
> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.

.....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized system of
doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The freedom to choose
what YOU want to do with your money, versus the government dictating to you
what THEY want to do with your money. Its really a very simple concept.
Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 02:32 AM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Bill Graham wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now for
>>> a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the "Arbornomics"
>>> theory that there exists a money tree in Washington DC that can be
>>> plucked for money. Where do you think the money to treat all those
>>> bums off the street comes from? the hospitals certainly can't print
>>> it in their basements. Why, the staste pays them out of our tax
>>> dollars, of course, and they also get federal money too. (also, of
>>> course out of our tax dollars) So what's the difference?
>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford medical
>>> services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And, knowing this,
>>> they would (presumably) cut a little money out of their pay checks to
>>> buy that insurance from one or more of many companies who were all
>>> competing for their money. (what a concept!) The government would
>>> have little or nothing to do with it. Why, with any luck, they would
>>> only charge us about 10% of our pay in income taxes instead of the
>>> nearly 50% they are currently charging. (Federal, state, property,
>>> auto reg fees, and sales taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might
>>> actually retreat from half socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I
>>> might even be able to afford a couple of more cats!
>>
>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>
>....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized system of
>doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The freedom to choose
>what YOU want to do with your money, versus the government dictating to you
>what THEY want to do with your money. Its really a very simple concept.
>Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.

Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most hospitals
will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the treatment? The
hospital passes those costs onto those who pay; also, the increased
costs of medical care are passed onto insurance companies which in
turn pass the increased costs onto consumers of health care insurance.

You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want to. You
are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you don't, you have
to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040 form.

I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
based on name and social security number.

--

Tom McDonald
February 18th 13, 02:48 AM
On 2/17/2013 8:19 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> Bill Graham wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now for
>>> a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the "Arbornomics"
>>> theory that there exists a money tree in Washington DC that can be
>>> plucked for money. Where do you think the money to treat all those
>>> bums off the street comes from? the hospitals certainly can't print
>>> it in their basements. Why, the staste pays them out of our tax
>>> dollars, of course, and they also get federal money too. (also, of
>>> course out of our tax dollars) So what's the difference?
>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford medical
>>> services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And, knowing this,
>>> they would (presumably) cut a little money out of their pay checks to
>>> buy that insurance from one or more of many companies who were all
>>> competing for their money. (what a concept!) The government would
>>> have little or nothing to do with it. Why, with any luck, they would
>>> only charge us about 10% of our pay in income taxes instead of the
>>> nearly 50% they are currently charging. (Federal, state, property,
>>> auto reg fees, and sales taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might
>>> actually retreat from half socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I
>>> might even be able to afford a couple of more cats!
>>
>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>
> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized system of
> doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The freedom to
> choose what YOU want to do with your money, versus the government
> dictating to you what THEY want to do with your money. Its really a very
> simple concept. Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.

Well, as long as you aren't setting your hair on fire.

You mean there is no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and
totalitarianism? I think you'd find several hundred million people in
Europe who would respectfully disagree with you.

Of course, you probably think they do live under the most repressive
communist regime possible right now. You do want to be consistent, right?

(PeteCresswell)
February 18th 13, 03:10 PM
Per Tom McDonald:
>You mean there is no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and
>totalitarianism? I think you'd find several hundred million people in
>Europe who would respectfully disagree with you.

A few of them are my relatives in Germany.

Their view of the USA seems tb like our view of some third-world
countries: Exciting and interesting to visit, cheap goods, but no place
they would want to live.

OTOH, when we visit them in Germany, my reaction is "Wow!... world-class
infrastructure, everything's sooo clean (except where foreigners live),
4-6 weeks vacation the norm, universal health care, almost no fences
(seemingly because they don't have the lawyer's feeding frenzies that we
have when somebody gets hurt on somebody else's property),
vastly-superior literacy in the general population... and on-and-on....
But it's not a place I'd want to live in: way too many Germans.... -)
--
Pete Cresswell

Mack A. Damia
February 18th 13, 06:38 PM
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:10:35 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" >
wrote:

>Per Tom McDonald:
>>You mean there is no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and
>>totalitarianism? I think you'd find several hundred million people in
>>Europe who would respectfully disagree with you.
>
>A few of them are my relatives in Germany.
>
>Their view of the USA seems tb like our view of some third-world
>countries: Exciting and interesting to visit, cheap goods, but no place
>they would want to live.
>
>OTOH, when we visit them in Germany, my reaction is "Wow!... world-class
>infrastructure, everything's sooo clean (except where foreigners live),
>4-6 weeks vacation the norm, universal health care, almost no fences
>(seemingly because they don't have the lawyer's feeding frenzies that we
>have when somebody gets hurt on somebody else's property),
>vastly-superior literacy in the general population... and on-and-on....
>But it's not a place I'd want to live in: way too many Germans.... -)

I have cousins in England. Two of them - a brother and sister - spent
a lot of time in the U.S. The sister worked as a nurse in Southern
California for a couple of years, and the brother went to school and
traveled around quite a bit.

They have both emigrated to Australia. Me? I grew up in Pennsylvania
after emigrating in the mid-1950s, and now I live in Mexico.

--

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 12:33 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now
>>>> for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
>>>> "Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in Washington
>>>> DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you think the money to
>>>> treat all those bums off the street comes from? the hospitals
>>>> certainly can't print it in their basements. Why, the staste pays
>>>> them out of our tax dollars, of course, and they also get federal
>>>> money too. (also, of course out of our tax dollars) So what's the
>>>> difference?
>>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford
>>>> medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And,
>>>> knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money out of
>>>> their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more of many
>>>> companies who were all competing for their money. (what a
>>>> concept!) The government would have little or nothing to do with
>>>> it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us about 10% of our
>>>> pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50% they are currently
>>>> charging. (Federal, state, property, auto reg fees, and sales
>>>> taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might actually retreat from half
>>>> socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I might even be able to
>>>> afford a couple of more cats!
>>>
>>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>>
>> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
>> system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The
>> freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money, versus the
>> government dictating to you what THEY want to do with your money.
>> Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.
>
> Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most hospitals
> will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the treatment? The
> hospital passes those costs onto those who pay; also, the increased
> costs of medical care are passed onto insurance companies which in
> turn pass the increased costs onto consumers of health care insurance.
>
> You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want to. You
> are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you don't, you have
> to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040 form.
>
> I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
> able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
> based on name and social security number.

You still don;t understand. I never asked my government to treat p3eople
without health insurance. The liberals did that without my permission. As
soon as they did that, they threw away capitalism and adopted socialism. I
am a libertarian. This is the antithesis of socialism. Now that we have a
socialized medical system, you are using it to justify your illogical
problems that wouldn;t be here had you not adopted socialism to begin with.
And, to describe a uniquely socialistic problem to me and complain that my
capitalism can't solve it is duplicious and illogical.

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 12:42 AM
Tom McDonald wrote:
> On 2/17/2013 8:19 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now
>>>> for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
>>>> "Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in Washington
>>>> DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you think the money to
>>>> treat all those bums off the street comes from? the hospitals
>>>> certainly can't print it in their basements. Why, the staste pays
>>>> them out of our tax dollars, of course, and they also get federal
>>>> money too. (also, of course out of our tax dollars) So what's the
>>>> difference? In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of
>>>> medical
>>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford
>>>> medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And,
>>>> knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money out of
>>>> their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more of many
>>>> companies who were all competing for their money. (what a
>>>> concept!) The government would have little or nothing to do with
>>>> it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us about 10% of our
>>>> pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50% they are currently
>>>> charging. (Federal, state, property, auto reg fees, and sales
>>>> taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might actually retreat from half
>>>> socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I might even be able to
>>>> afford a couple of more cats!
>>>
>>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>>
>> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
>> system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The
>> freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money, versus the
>> government dictating to you what THEY want to do with your money.
>> Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.
>
> Well, as long as you aren't setting your hair on fire.
>
> You mean there is no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and
> totalitarianism? I think you'd find several hundred million people in
> Europe who would respectfully disagree with you.
>
> Of course, you probably think they do live under the most repressive
> communist regime possible right now. You do want to be consistent,
> right?

I never said there was no middle ground between, "Unfettered capitalism" and
totalitarianism. I never suggested that we live under unfettered anything. I
only suggest that when you half socialize some industry, the normal rules of
capitalism no longer apply and to insist that they do is duplicious and
unfair. IOW, once the government interferes with the normal price-demand
relationship, the system is thenceforth rigged and wont work right, and to
blame "capitalism" for this is illogical. Our health system is an
outstanding example. It no longer works right not because of capitalism, but
bedause it has had the living hell socialized out of it. So now, they have
to force everyone to buy health insurance. (Do you think that's because
everyone is entitled to be treated at emergency rooms all over the country
when they are sick?) No... That couldnt be the reason!

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 12:49 AM
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Tom McDonald:
>> You mean there is no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and
>> totalitarianism? I think you'd find several hundred million people in
>> Europe who would respectfully disagree with you.
>
> A few of them are my relatives in Germany.
>
> Their view of the USA seems tb like our view of some third-world
> countries: Exciting and interesting to visit, cheap goods, but no
> place they would want to live.
>
> OTOH, when we visit them in Germany, my reaction is "Wow!...
> world-class infrastructure, everything's sooo clean (except where
> foreigners live), 4-6 weeks vacation the norm, universal health
> care, almost no fences (seemingly because they don't have the
> lawyer's feeding frenzies that we have when somebody gets hurt on
> somebody else's property), vastly-superior literacy in the general
> population... and on-and-on.... But it's not a place I'd want to live
> in: way too many Germans.... -)

....And they are also gradually going broke, just as are we. And, for exactly
the same reason. Too many "to each according to their needs", and not nearly
enough "from each according to their abilities"..... You see, there is a
hole in the from each bucket, and directly beneath that bucket is the to
each bucket... I wonder why that is?
The first property of a reasonable system is its longevity. If it can't
last, then why even talk about it? Capitalism at least, has some chance of
long term survival. It suffers from leadership by TV ads right now, but it
still has a chance.....

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 12:56 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:10:35 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" >
> wrote:
>
>> Per Tom McDonald:
>>> You mean there is no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and
>>> totalitarianism? I think you'd find several hundred million people
>>> in Europe who would respectfully disagree with you.
>>
>> A few of them are my relatives in Germany.
>>
>> Their view of the USA seems tb like our view of some third-world
>> countries: Exciting and interesting to visit, cheap goods, but no
>> place they would want to live.
>>
>> OTOH, when we visit them in Germany, my reaction is "Wow!...
>> world-class infrastructure, everything's sooo clean (except where
>> foreigners live), 4-6 weeks vacation the norm, universal health
>> care, almost no fences (seemingly because they don't have the
>> lawyer's feeding frenzies that we have when somebody gets hurt on
>> somebody else's property), vastly-superior literacy in the general
>> population... and on-and-on.... But it's not a place I'd want to
>> live in: way too many Germans.... -)
>
> I have cousins in England. Two of them - a brother and sister - spent
> a lot of time in the U.S. The sister worked as a nurse in Southern
> California for a couple of years, and the brother went to school and
> traveled around quite a bit.
>
> They have both emigrated to Australia. Me? I grew up in Pennsylvania
> after emigrating in the mid-1950s, and now I live in Mexico.

With open borders, we are gradually becoming a, "third world country" I
doubt seriously if you can cross the border into Germany and become a
citizen and/or find work and stay as easily as you can in the United States.
(They too, are going broke, if I understand the statistics correctly)

Mack A. Damia
February 19th 13, 02:12 AM
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:33:13 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now
>>>>> for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
>>>>> "Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in Washington
>>>>> DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you think the money to
>>>>> treat all those bums off the street comes from? the hospitals
>>>>> certainly can't print it in their basements. Why, the staste pays
>>>>> them out of our tax dollars, of course, and they also get federal
>>>>> money too. (also, of course out of our tax dollars) So what's the
>>>>> difference?
>>>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford
>>>>> medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And,
>>>>> knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money out of
>>>>> their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more of many
>>>>> companies who were all competing for their money. (what a
>>>>> concept!) The government would have little or nothing to do with
>>>>> it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us about 10% of our
>>>>> pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50% they are currently
>>>>> charging. (Federal, state, property, auto reg fees, and sales
>>>>> taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might actually retreat from half
>>>>> socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I might even be able to
>>>>> afford a couple of more cats!
>>>>
>>>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>>>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>>>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>>>
>>> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
>>> system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The
>>> freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money, versus the
>>> government dictating to you what THEY want to do with your money.
>>> Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.
>>
>> Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most hospitals
>> will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the treatment? The
>> hospital passes those costs onto those who pay; also, the increased
>> costs of medical care are passed onto insurance companies which in
>> turn pass the increased costs onto consumers of health care insurance.
>>
>> You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want to. You
>> are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you don't, you have
>> to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040 form.
>>
>> I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
>> able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
>> based on name and social security number.
>
>You still don;t understand. I never asked my government to treat p3eople
>without health insurance. The liberals did that without my permission. As
>soon as they did that, they threw away capitalism and adopted socialism. I
>am a libertarian. This is the antithesis of socialism. Now that we have a
>socialized medical system, you are using it to justify your illogical
>problems that wouldn;t be here had you not adopted socialism to begin with.
>And, to describe a uniquely socialistic problem to me and complain that my
>capitalism can't solve it is duplicious and illogical.

Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no ethical
responsibility towards your fellow man.

I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.

--

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 02:38 AM
"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:33:13 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now
>>>>>> for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
>>>>>> "Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in Washington
>>>>>> DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you think the money to
>>>>>> treat all those bums off the street comes from? the hospitals
>>>>>> certainly can't print it in their basements. Why, the staste pays
>>>>>> them out of our tax dollars, of course, and they also get federal
>>>>>> money too. (also, of course out of our tax dollars) So what's the
>>>>>> difference?
>>>>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>>>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>>>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford
>>>>>> medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And,
>>>>>> knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money out of
>>>>>> their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more of many
>>>>>> companies who were all competing for their money. (what a
>>>>>> concept!) The government would have little or nothing to do with
>>>>>> it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us about 10% of our
>>>>>> pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50% they are currently
>>>>>> charging. (Federal, state, property, auto reg fees, and sales
>>>>>> taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might actually retreat from half
>>>>>> socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I might even be able to
>>>>>> afford a couple of more cats!
>>>>>
>>>>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>>>>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>>>>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>>>>
>>>> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
>>>> system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The
>>>> freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money, versus the
>>>> government dictating to you what THEY want to do with your money.
>>>> Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.
>>>
>>> Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most hospitals
>>> will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the treatment? The
>>> hospital passes those costs onto those who pay; also, the increased
>>> costs of medical care are passed onto insurance companies which in
>>> turn pass the increased costs onto consumers of health care insurance.
>>>
>>> You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want to. You
>>> are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you don't, you have
>>> to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040 form.
>>>
>>> I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
>>> able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
>>> based on name and social security number.
>>
>>You still don't understand. I never asked my government to treat people
>>without health insurance. The liberals did that without my permission. As
>>soon as they did that, they threw away capitalism and adopted socialism. I
>>am a libertarian. This is the antithesis of socialism. Now that we have a
>>socialized medical system, you are using it to justify your illogical
>>problems that wouldn;t be here had you not adopted socialism to begin
>>with.
>>And, to describe a uniquely socialistic problem to me and complain that my
>>capitalism can't solve it is duplicious and illogical.
>
> Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no ethical
> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>
> I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.

If by "immoral" you mean that I think the world owes me a living, then you
are wrong. If you don't eat, you will starve to death. But I don't believe
the government (read other taxpayers) have to feed you if you have all your
fingers and toes and can work for a living. Does that make me immoral? If
you get sick and can't afford to avail yourself of medical services, do I
believe the taxpayers should have to take care of you? Hell no I don't. When
you had that extra money, you bought yourself a Porsche instead of driving a
Volkswagon (which I drove for years because I had medical insurance) So, if
that makes me immoral, then you have a vastly different concept of,
"Morality" than do I. I was raised to take care of myself and pay my own
way, and not live off the government dole. That's not immorality. That's
common sense. Why? precisely because that is what gives us the freedom to
buy what we want and not take whatever the government hands out to us. I
hope that in your socialized world, (that is sure to come) your government
doles out all the things that you dearly love to have and allows you to do
all the things that you dearly love to do, but I doubt very much that that
will be the case. It would be true in an ant colony, because all the ants
are exactly alike and they all seem to be happy with their circumstance...
Unfortunately, you and I happen to be Human Beings......

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 02:41 AM
"Mack A. Damia" > I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.

I don't, "worship" anybody, but Ayn Rand knew the best way to evaluate
everything, and was a capitalist of the first order. When it came to brains,
she beat the hell out of Nancy Pelosi.....

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 02:44 AM
"Mack A. Damia" > Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no
ethical
> responsibility towards your fellow man.

do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their own two
feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion, it is immoral to
teach people to be dependent on their government and not to take care of
themselves if they are capable of doing so.

Bill Graham
February 19th 13, 02:51 AM
"Mack A. Damia"

This discussion should move to misc.legal, and not stay on
rec.pets.cats.health+behavior. You are a member of both, so why don't we do
that?

Mack A. Damia
February 19th 13, 02:52 AM
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no
>ethical
>> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>
>do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their own two
>feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion, it is immoral to
>teach people to be dependent on their government and not to take care of
>themselves if they are capable of doing so.

And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving food
stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't you?

You know nothing.

--

Mack A. Damia
February 19th 13, 02:54 AM
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:12 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.
>
>I don't, "worship" anybody, but Ayn Rand knew the best way to evaluate
>everything, and was a capitalist of the first order. When it came to brains,
>she beat the hell out of Nancy Pelosi.....

She was a mentally ill woman who reacted against the harsh political
and economic conditions of her native country.

Her philosophy has no place in a civilized society.

--

Mack A. Damia
February 19th 13, 02:57 AM
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:38:05 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:33:13 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms" now
>>>>>>> for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
>>>>>>> "Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in Washington
>>>>>>> DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you think the money to
>>>>>>> treat all those bums off the street comes from? the hospitals
>>>>>>> certainly can't print it in their basements. Why, the staste pays
>>>>>>> them out of our tax dollars, of course, and they also get federal
>>>>>>> money too. (also, of course out of our tax dollars) So what's the
>>>>>>> difference?
>>>>>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>>>>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the best
>>>>>>> medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't afford
>>>>>>> medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!! And,
>>>>>>> knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money out of
>>>>>>> their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more of many
>>>>>>> companies who were all competing for their money. (what a
>>>>>>> concept!) The government would have little or nothing to do with
>>>>>>> it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us about 10% of our
>>>>>>> pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50% they are currently
>>>>>>> charging. (Federal, state, property, auto reg fees, and sales
>>>>>>> taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might actually retreat from half
>>>>>>> socialized to 10 or 15% socialized! Why, I might even be able to
>>>>>>> afford a couple of more cats!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>>>>>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept whatever
>>>>>> the government thinks would be best for the society to give me.
>>>>>
>>>>> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
>>>>> system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them. The
>>>>> freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money, versus the
>>>>> government dictating to you what THEY want to do with your money.
>>>>> Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus Totalitarianism.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most hospitals
>>>> will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the treatment? The
>>>> hospital passes those costs onto those who pay; also, the increased
>>>> costs of medical care are passed onto insurance companies which in
>>>> turn pass the increased costs onto consumers of health care insurance.
>>>>
>>>> You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want to. You
>>>> are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you don't, you have
>>>> to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040 form.
>>>>
>>>> I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
>>>> able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
>>>> based on name and social security number.
>>>
>>>You still don't understand. I never asked my government to treat people
>>>without health insurance. The liberals did that without my permission. As
>>>soon as they did that, they threw away capitalism and adopted socialism. I
>>>am a libertarian. This is the antithesis of socialism. Now that we have a
>>>socialized medical system, you are using it to justify your illogical
>>>problems that wouldn;t be here had you not adopted socialism to begin
>>>with.
>>>And, to describe a uniquely socialistic problem to me and complain that my
>>>capitalism can't solve it is duplicious and illogical.
>>
>> Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no ethical
>> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>>
>> I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.
>
>If by "immoral" you mean that I think the world owes me a living, then you
>are wrong. If you don't eat, you will starve to death. But I don't believe
>the government (read other taxpayers) have to feed you if you have all your
>fingers and toes and can work for a living. Does that make me immoral? If
>you get sick and can't afford to avail yourself of medical services, do I
>believe the taxpayers should have to take care of you? Hell no I don't. When
>you had that extra money, you bought yourself a Porsche instead of driving a
>Volkswagon (which I drove for years because I had medical insurance) So, if
>that makes me immoral, then you have a vastly different concept of,
>"Morality" than do I. I was raised to take care of myself and pay my own
>way, and not live off the government dole. That's not immorality. That's
>common sense. Why? precisely because that is what gives us the freedom to
>buy what we want and not take whatever the government hands out to us. I
>hope that in your socialized world, (that is sure to come) your government
>doles out all the things that you dearly love to have and allows you to do
>all the things that you dearly love to do, but I doubt very much that that
>will be the case. It would be true in an ant colony, because all the ants
>are exactly alike and they all seem to be happy with their circumstance...
>Unfortunately, you and I happen to be Human Beings......

You benefit from the labors of others - then and now. You benefit
from the sacrifices of others - then and now. You condemn those in
poverty; yet, there is a poverty in your soul. May God forgive you.

--

(PeteCresswell)
February 19th 13, 09:52 PM
Per Bill Graham:
>but Ayn Rand knew the best way to evaluate
>everything, and was a capitalist of the first order.

I thought she was a popular book author.

Am I missing something?
--
Pete Cresswell

Dr. C Love
February 19th 13, 11:08 PM
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster >
wrote:

>On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>> Je▀us wrote:

Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
and you and all the world.

Dr. C Love
Doctor of Homeopathy
Master of Reikki Therapy

Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!
Every single one of you!

Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)

Virgil
February 19th 13, 11:30 PM
In article >,
Dr. C Love > wrote:


> Jesus is relevent to all countries.

Then let countries believe in Jesus godhood, but people needn't.
--

Spam╬▓uster
February 20th 13, 01:14 AM
On 2/19/2013 1:52 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Bill Graham:
>

--

================================================== ===================
SPAMMED INTO NON-RELEVANT GROUPS / COUNTRY
================================================== ===================

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 02:48 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mack A. Damia" > Of course I understand. You are immoral and have
>> no ethical
>>> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>>
>> do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their
>> own two feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion, it
>> is immoral to teach people to be dependent on their government and
>> not to take care of themselves if they are capable of doing so.
>
> And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving food
> stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't you?
>
> You know nothing.

Not all, but it must be a large number, because all the ones I ever met fall
into that category. How many do you know who really deserve government help?
I Saw a statistic that said less than 2% of those on welfare were disabled
in some way, either mentally or physically. If I were running things, I
would take the welfare away from the other 98% and give the 2% at least the
average wage every yeaqr, and probably twice the average, since they must
have other extra expenses because of their infirmities.... IOW, I am not
against all welfare, but its just that the government does it (like they do
everything else) so badly.....

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 02:52 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:12 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mack A. Damia" > I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.
>>
>> I don't, "worship" anybody, but Ayn Rand knew the best way to
>> evaluate everything, and was a capitalist of the first order. When
>> it came to brains, she beat the hell out of Nancy Pelosi.....
>
> She was a mentally ill woman who reacted against the harsh political
> and economic conditions of her native country.
>
> Her philosophy has no place in a civilized society.

It has a place close to my heart. She saqid that the best way to eveluate
everything is by the money it cost, versus the money it earned, and I
haven't found anything else that trumps that yet. Even the insurance
pay-outs are based on the earning power you lost due to an accident. If a
young doctor is killed, they get a hell of a lot more money than if an old
retired geezer is killed. This is an Ayn Rand principal. Nobody has come up
with a better way to evaluate life than this. (But you are welcome to try)

Mack A. Damia
February 20th 13, 03:01 AM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:48:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mack A. Damia" > Of course I understand. You are immoral and have
>>> no ethical
>>>> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>>>
>>> do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their
>>> own two feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion, it
>>> is immoral to teach people to be dependent on their government and
>>> not to take care of themselves if they are capable of doing so.
>>
>> And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving food
>> stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't you?
>>
>> You know nothing.
>
>Not all, but it must be a large number, because all the ones I ever met fall
>into that category. How many do you know who really deserve government help?
>I Saw a statistic that said less than 2% of those on welfare were disabled
>in some way, either mentally or physically. If I were running things, I
>would take the welfare away from the other 98% and give the 2% at least the
>average wage every yeaqr, and probably twice the average, since they must
>have other extra expenses because of their infirmities.... IOW, I am not
>against all welfare, but its just that the government does it (like they do
>everything else) so badly.....

We are the ones who tolerate it, but we are too unorganized to really
make a difference. I have my own issues - with the VA. Just looking
through thirty years of personal files - medical records, decisions,
etc. - and I can't believe that contemporary society tolerates such
negligent activity and waste at the highest levels of government, but
it is a fact of life.

I cannot or will not debate such matters in here - or anywhere else.
For me, it's just not worth the aggravation.

Peace.

--

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 03:03 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:38:05 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:33:13 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>> But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms"
>>>>>>>> now for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
>>>>>>>> "Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in
>>>>>>>> Washington DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you
>>>>>>>> think the money to treat all those bums off the street comes
>>>>>>>> from? the hospitals certainly can't print it in their
>>>>>>>> basements. Why, the staste pays them out of our tax dollars,
>>>>>>>> of course, and they also get federal money too. (also, of
>>>>>>>> course out of our tax dollars) So what's the difference?
>>>>>>>> In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
>>>>>>>> insurance companies all competing with each other to give the
>>>>>>>> best medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't
>>>>>>>> afford medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!!
>>>>>>>> And, knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money
>>>>>>>> out of their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more
>>>>>>>> of many companies who were all competing for their money.
>>>>>>>> (what a concept!) The government would have little or nothing
>>>>>>>> to do with it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us
>>>>>>>> about 10% of our pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50%
>>>>>>>> they are currently charging. (Federal, state, property, auto
>>>>>>>> reg fees, and sales taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might
>>>>>>>> actually retreat from half socialized to 10 or 15% socialized!
>>>>>>>> Why, I might even be able to afford a couple of more cats!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
>>>>>>> wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept
>>>>>>> whatever the government thinks would be best for the society to
>>>>>>> give me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
>>>>>> system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them.
>>>>>> The freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money,
>>>>>> versus the government dictating to you what THEY want to do with
>>>>>> your money. Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus
>>>>>> Totalitarianism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most
>>>>> hospitals will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the
>>>>> treatment? The hospital passes those costs onto those who pay;
>>>>> also, the increased costs of medical care are passed onto
>>>>> insurance companies which in turn pass the increased costs onto
>>>>> consumers of health care insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want
>>>>> to. You are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you
>>>>> don't, you have to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040
>>>>> form.
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
>>>>> able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
>>>>> based on name and social security number.
>>>>
>>>> You still don't understand. I never asked my government to treat
>>>> people without health insurance. The liberals did that without my
>>>> permission. As soon as they did that, they threw away capitalism
>>>> and adopted socialism. I am a libertarian. This is the antithesis
>>>> of socialism. Now that we have a socialized medical system, you
>>>> are using it to justify your illogical problems that wouldn;t be
>>>> here had you not adopted socialism to begin with.
>>>> And, to describe a uniquely socialistic problem to me and complain
>>>> that my capitalism can't solve it is duplicious and illogical.
>>>
>>> Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no ethical
>>> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>>>
>>> I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.
>>
>> If by "immoral" you mean that I think the world owes me a living,
>> then you are wrong. If you don't eat, you will starve to death. But
>> I don't believe the government (read other taxpayers) have to feed
>> you if you have all your fingers and toes and can work for a living.
>> Does that make me immoral? If you get sick and can't afford to avail
>> yourself of medical services, do I believe the taxpayers should have
>> to take care of you? Hell no I don't. When you had that extra money,
>> you bought yourself a Porsche instead of driving a Volkswagon (which
>> I drove for years because I had medical insurance) So, if that makes
>> me immoral, then you have a vastly different concept of, "Morality"
>> than do I. I was raised to take care of myself and pay my own way,
>> and not live off the government dole. That's not immorality. That's
>> common sense. Why? precisely because that is what gives us the
>> freedom to buy what we want and not take whatever the government
>> hands out to us. I hope that in your socialized world, (that is sure
>> to come) your government doles out all the things that you dearly
>> love to have and allows you to do all the things that you dearly
>> love to do, but I doubt very much that that will be the case. It
>> would be true in an ant colony, because all the ants are exactly
>> alike and they all seem to be happy with their circumstance...
>> Unfortunately, you and I happen to be Human Beings......
>
> You benefit from the labors of others - then and now. You benefit
> from the sacrifices of others - then and now. You condemn those in
> poverty; yet, there is a poverty in your soul. May God forgive you.

I don't "condem those in poverty". I just don't think the government should
steal money from the industrious to pay to those in poverty simply because
they are, "in poverty". And, speaking of, God, Why do you suppose he creates
people (and other animals) born without arms and legs, and condemned to live
miserable short, tortuous lives when they did no wrong and nothing to
deserve this fate? You should take a closer look at this God of yours....
(He certainly isn't any God of mine) I don't worship screw-ups..... As a
matter of fact, I feed a whole bunch of squirrls, racoons, birds, a couple
of possums, and 5 cats every day, in a desperate attempt to undo "His
Works". This God of yours is really a monster. "By his own work ye shall
know him".... When the JW's come to my door, I tell them that when I die, I
am goiung to look God up and strangle the living hell out of him. (Actually,
I know better than to believe in him at all.....:^)

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 03:07 AM
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Bill Graham:
>> but Ayn Rand knew the best way to evaluate
>> everything, and was a capitalist of the first order.
>
> I thought she was a popular book author.
>
> Am I missing something?

Yes. She did write a few books. (Atlas shrugged) for one that come3s to
mind. But she was a political/economic philosopher. Her books were stories
that illustrated her economic philosophy. She swtarted an economic
philosophy known as, "Objectivism", and it contained many principals that
are in place today, mainly because they contained a lot of common sense....

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 03:10 AM
Dr. C Love wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>> Je▀us wrote:
>
> Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
> and you and all the world.
>
> Dr. C Love
> Doctor of Homeopathy
> Master of Reikki Therapy
>
> Always remember:
> Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Every single one of you!
>
> Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)

Ahhhh... No. Seeing is believing. And I have seen no evidence of any God, or
anything supernatural at all, in my entire 77 years, so I am unable to
believe. And, bear in mind, I have no choice in the matter. I am really
UNABLE to believe......

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 03:19 AM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:48:04 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mack A. Damia" > Of course I understand. You are immoral and have
>>>> no ethical
>>>>> responsibility towards your fellow man.
>>>>
>>>> do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their
>>>> own two feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion,
>>>> it is immoral to teach people to be dependent on their government
>>>> and not to take care of themselves if they are capable of doing so.
>>>
>>> And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving
>>> food stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't
>>> you?
>>>
>>> You know nothing.
>>
>> Not all, but it must be a large number, because all the ones I ever
>> met fall into that category. How many do you know who really deserve
>> government help? I Saw a statistic that said less than 2% of those
>> on welfare were disabled in some way, either mentally or physically.
>> If I were running things, I would take the welfare away from the
>> other 98% and give the 2% at least the average wage every yeaqr, and
>> probably twice the average, since they must have other extra
>> expenses because of their infirmities.... IOW, I am not against all
>> welfare, but its just that the government does it (like they do
>> everything else) so badly.....
>
> We are the ones who tolerate it, but we are too unorganized to really
> make a difference. I have my own issues - with the VA. Just looking
> through thirty years of personal files - medical records, decisions,
> etc. - and I can't believe that contemporary society tolerates such
> negligent activity and waste at the highest levels of government, but
> it is a fact of life.
>
> I cannot or will not debate such matters in here - or anywhere else.
> For me, it's just not worth the aggravation.
>
> Peace.

Ah. It seems we do agree on something. What did you think about the
government taking about 100 Billion dollars on your hard earned tax dollars
and using it to put a dozen astronauts on the moon for a few hours back in
the 60's? I am not speaking of the' space program". I am speaking
specifically of the Apollo Program". They were sure way over the peak of
the cost-benefit curve on that one......

Mack A. Damia
February 20th 13, 03:57 AM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:10:41 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Dr. C Love wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>
>> Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
>> and you and all the world.
>>
>> Dr. C Love
>> Doctor of Homeopathy
>> Master of Reikki Therapy
>>
>> Always remember:
>> Jesus love's you and so do I!
>> Every single one of you!
>>
>> Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)
>
>Ahhhh... No. Seeing is believing. And I have seen no evidence of any God, or
>anything supernatural at all, in my entire 77 years, so I am unable to
>believe. And, bear in mind, I have no choice in the matter. I am really
>UNABLE to believe......

Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.

Guaranteed.

--

Virgil
February 20th 13, 04:11 AM
In article >,
Mack A. Damia > wrote:

> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
> high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.

If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you can
command that god.

Which makes it a very ungodlike god.
--

Mack A. Damia
February 20th 13, 04:18 AM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:11:18 -0700, Virgil > wrote:

>In article >,
> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>
>> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
>> high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.
>
>If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you can
>command that god.

Does not compute. No logic.

>Which makes it a very ungodlike god.

God = The Totality of Energy in the Universe.

--

dgk
February 20th 13, 02:00 PM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:18:49 -0800, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:11:18 -0700, Virgil > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
>>> high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.
>>
>>If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you can
>>command that god.
>
>Does not compute. No logic.
>
>>Which makes it a very ungodlike god.
>
>God = The Totality of Energy in the Universe.

I'm sort of in the middle of this. I sure don't believe in the Jesus
fable or any of the other religious crap, but something created our
incredibly complicated universe. I was sick in bed last week and
watched four episodes of "Wonders of the Universe" in a row. It's some
British science documentary on how the universe works, from gravity
through the beginning soup of plasma and all absolutely fascinating.

How anyone can watch that and think that everything was created in a
literal bible way is incomprehensible to me. But how anyone can watch
that and think that there is no plan at work is also beyond me. I have
about as good a chance of understanding that plan as an ant has of
understanding why I'm sitting above it watching TV though.

My cats clearly understand the plan. Their role is to eat, nap, and
sometimes go crazy and race around the house. They fulfill their role
well.

Mack A. Damia
February 20th 13, 05:01 PM
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:00:46 -0500, dgk > wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:18:49 -0800, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:11:18 -0700, Virgil > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
>>>> high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.
>>>
>>>If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you can
>>>command that god.
>>
>>Does not compute. No logic.
>>
>>>Which makes it a very ungodlike god.
>>
>>God = The Totality of Energy in the Universe.
>
>I'm sort of in the middle of this. I sure don't believe in the Jesus
>fable or any of the other religious crap, but something created our
>incredibly complicated universe. I was sick in bed last week and
>watched four episodes of "Wonders of the Universe" in a row. It's some
>British science documentary on how the universe works, from gravity
>through the beginning soup of plasma and all absolutely fascinating.
>
>How anyone can watch that and think that everything was created in a
>literal bible way is incomprehensible to me. But how anyone can watch
>that and think that there is no plan at work is also beyond me. I have
>about as good a chance of understanding that plan as an ant has of
>understanding why I'm sitting above it watching TV though.
>
>My cats clearly understand the plan. Their role is to eat, nap, and
>sometimes go crazy and race around the house. They fulfill their role
>well.

That's the only way God makes sense to me. As far as religion goes,
it was good for social control when the masses were illiterate. But
who knows? Have a look at quantum physics, string theory and parallel
universes, and then swear to me that there's no heaven and hell.
Remember, energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed. We are all
part of God, and that includes evil and the devil. Evil would not
exist without goodness. It is often said that God had to create the
devil to make us realize His/Her existence. Think about the fable of
the Garden of Eden.

--

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 09:43 PM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:10:41 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
> wrote:
>
>> Dr. C Love wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>>
>>> Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
>>> and you and all the world.
>>>
>>> Dr. C Love
>>> Doctor of Homeopathy
>>> Master of Reikki Therapy
>>>
>>> Always remember:
>>> Jesus love's you and so do I!
>>> Every single one of you!
>>>
>>> Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)
>>
>> Ahhhh... No. Seeing is believing. And I have seen no evidence of any
>> God, or anything supernatural at all, in my entire 77 years, so I am
>> unable to believe. And, bear in mind, I have no choice in the
>> matter. I am really UNABLE to believe......
>
> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
> high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.
>
> Guaranteed.

That won't be, "God's wrath" They figured out what causes lightening a long
time ago, and God doesn't have anything to do with it. (or anything else,
for that matter)

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 09:45 PM
Virgil wrote:
> In article >,
> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>
>> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
>> high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.
>
> If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you can
> command that god.
>
> Which makes it a very ungodlike god.

God freezes and starves to death millions of kitty cats every year, and I
can only help a few of these. Please take in a few of those in your
neighborhood.....

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 09:49 PM
dgk wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:18:49 -0800, Mack A. Damia
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:11:18 -0700, Virgil > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal
>>>> rod high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's
>>>> wrath.
>>>
>>> If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you
>>> can command that god.
>>
>> Does not compute. No logic.
>>
>>> Which makes it a very ungodlike god.
>>
>> God = The Totality of Energy in the Universe.
>
> I'm sort of in the middle of this. I sure don't believe in the Jesus
> fable or any of the other religious crap, but something created our
> incredibly complicated universe. I was sick in bed last week and
> watched four episodes of "Wonders of the Universe" in a row. It's some
> British science documentary on how the universe works, from gravity
> through the beginning soup of plasma and all absolutely fascinating.
>
> How anyone can watch that and think that everything was created in a
> literal bible way is incomprehensible to me. But how anyone can watch
> that and think that there is no plan at work is also beyond me. I have
> about as good a chance of understanding that plan as an ant has of
> understanding why I'm sitting above it watching TV though.
>
> My cats clearly understand the plan. Their role is to eat, nap, and
> sometimes go crazy and race around the house. They fulfill their role
> well.

I believe the universe is totally random. There is, and can be, no "plan".
What kind of, "plan" would include the freezing and starving to death of
countless millions of small furry creatures every Winter?

Bill Graham
February 20th 13, 09:52 PM
Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:00:46 -0500, dgk > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:18:49 -0800, Mack A. Damia
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:11:18 -0700, Virgil >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal
>>>>> rod high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's
>>>>> wrath.
>>>>
>>>> If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you
>>>> can command that god.
>>>
>>> Does not compute. No logic.
>>>
>>>> Which makes it a very ungodlike god.
>>>
>>> God = The Totality of Energy in the Universe.
>>
>> I'm sort of in the middle of this. I sure don't believe in the Jesus
>> fable or any of the other religious crap, but something created our
>> incredibly complicated universe. I was sick in bed last week and
>> watched four episodes of "Wonders of the Universe" in a row. It's
>> some British science documentary on how the universe works, from
>> gravity through the beginning soup of plasma and all absolutely
>> fascinating.
>>
>> How anyone can watch that and think that everything was created in a
>> literal bible way is incomprehensible to me. But how anyone can watch
>> that and think that there is no plan at work is also beyond me. I
>> have about as good a chance of understanding that plan as an ant has
>> of understanding why I'm sitting above it watching TV though.
>>
>> My cats clearly understand the plan. Their role is to eat, nap, and
>> sometimes go crazy and race around the house. They fulfill their role
>> well.
>
> That's the only way God makes sense to me. As far as religion goes,
> it was good for social control when the masses were illiterate. But
> who knows? Have a look at quantum physics, string theory and parallel
> universes, and then swear to me that there's no heaven and hell.
> Remember, energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed. We are all
> part of God, and that includes evil and the devil. Evil would not
> exist without goodness. It is often said that God had to create the
> devil to make us realize His/Her existence. Think about the fable of
> the Garden of Eden.

The devil is the bible's fall guy for all the rotten things that are
happening under god's watch. They created him to answer the wuestion, "If
god is so good and so powerful, how come there are so many rotten things
happening in the world?"

Spam╬▓uster
February 21st 13, 02:09 AM
On 2/19/2013 1:52 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Bill Graham:
>

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Dr. C Love
February 22nd 13, 10:41 PM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:10:41 -0800, "Bill Graham" >
wrote:

>Dr. C Love wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> Je▀us wrote:
>>
>> Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
>> and you and all the world.
>>
>> Dr. C Love
>> Doctor of Homeopathy
>> Master of Reikki Therapy
>>
>> Always remember:
>> Jesus love's you and so do I!
>> Every single one of you!
>>
>> Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)
>
>Ahhhh... No. Seeing is believing. And I have seen no evidence of any God, or
>anything supernatural at all, in my entire 77 years, so I am unable to
>believe. And, bear in mind, I have no choice in the matter. I am really
>UNABLE to believe......

Then you'll go to hell.

Dr. C Love
Doctor of Homeopathy
Master of Reikki Therapy

Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!
Every single one of you!

Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)

Dr. C Love
February 22nd 13, 10:42 PM
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:30:21 -0700, Virgil > wrote:

>In article >,
> Dr. C Love > wrote:
>
>
>> Jesus is relevent to all countries.
>
>Then let countries believe in Jesus godhood, but people needn't.

Are you stupid? You must believe not your country.

Dr. C Love
Doctor of Homeopathy
Master of Reikki Therapy

Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!
Every single one of you!

Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)

Bill Graham
February 22nd 13, 11:19 PM
Dr. C Love wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:30:21 -0700, Virgil > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Dr. C Love > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jesus is relevent to all countries.
>>
>> Then let countries believe in Jesus godhood, but people needn't.
>
> Are you stupid? You must believe not your country.
>
> Dr. C Love
> Doctor of Homeopathy
> Master of Reikki Therapy
>
> Always remember:
> Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Every single one of you!
>
> Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)

But why does he hate so many cats and other little furry creatures?

Love me.... love my cat!

Bill Graham
February 24th 13, 03:14 AM
Dr. C Love wrote:
> Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)

Yes. There are those who see things that aren't really there, and believe
because of it, but they are usually called, "Crazy" as a result of that. I
have frequently said, "If Jesus were to walk through that wall, and come up
to me and lay his hand on my shoulder and say, 'follow me, my son', I would
quickly check myself in to the local mental hospital."