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Cheryl[_6_]
July 20th 17, 11:07 AM
Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly near
the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but like
many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs so I hadn't looked at her
belly in quite a while. I have an appointment with the vet for her
tomorrow - I hope it's just a bit of minor over-grooming.

Anyone have experience with cats losing fur?? She certainly grew it all
back after she was spayed about a year ago, and now, a largish area is
either very thin of or missing fur.

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Cheryl

Jack Campin
July 20th 17, 04:11 PM
> Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly near
> the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but like
> many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs so I hadn't looked at her
> belly in quite a while. I have an appointment with the vet for her
> tomorrow - I hope it's just a bit of minor over-grooming.
>
> Anyone have experience with cats losing fur?? She certainly grew it all
> back after she was spayed about a year ago, and now, a largish area is
> either very thin of or missing fur.

Yes, my Splodge used to lose it in quite large patches on his chest
and belly every so often. It always grew back and didn't seem to
have any health implications.

The surprising thing when you stroked him was that you realized how
*hot* cats are. By our standards they're running a fever all the
time.

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jmcquown[_2_]
July 20th 17, 04:36 PM
On 7/20/2017 6:07 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly near
> the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but like
> many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs so I hadn't looked at her
> belly in quite a while. I have an appointment with the vet for her
> tomorrow - I hope it's just a bit of minor over-grooming.
>
> Anyone have experience with cats losing fur?? She certainly grew it all
> back after she was spayed about a year ago, and now, a largish area is
> either very thin of or missing fur.
>
Not in the way you describe, no. Persia (RB 2014) started plucking at
her fur before she was diagnosed with hyperthyroid. Didn't help that
she was allergic to the medication and had the embarrassment of having
to wear a cone on her head. But there were also other symptoms. It
doesn't sound like Kerry is dashing around the house (more than the
occasional zoomies) or losing weight or appetite.

Hopefully the vet visit will tell you what you need to know about Kerry.
Please let us know!

Jill

jmcquown[_2_]
July 20th 17, 04:45 PM
On 7/20/2017 11:11 AM, Jack Campin wrote:
> The surprising thing when you stroked him was that you realized how
> *hot* cats are. By our standards they're running a fever all the
> time.

Yes! I was on the sofa yesterday, reading a book. Buffy was lounging
on top of me. It's sweet. I give her scritches. She purrs. She looks
at me sideways and blinks slowly at me. :) Charming!

Due to her sharp claws I always have a throw of some kind covering me.
And it quickly gets too hot. Okay, Buffy, move over. I love you, but
you're too darned hot.

It's no wonder I have AC and also run ceiling fans. Cats are hot
animals. It's wonderful when they want to curl up next to you. But
yes, they're hot.

And BTW, when we go to sleep, scoot over. I'm bigger than you are.

How can one little cat take up all of the bed?

Jill

jmcquown[_2_]
July 20th 17, 05:30 PM
On 7/20/2017 6:07 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly near
> the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but like
> many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs
>
Not to detract from your concern about Kerry and the loss of fur. This
leads to another musing:

Why, if cats don't like belly rubs, do they display themselves like this?

https://s9.postimg.org/na751bla7/belly.jpg

That's Buffy just a few minutes ago. In a puddle of sunshine.

Here's the answer. It's a sign of trust. It shows they know you aren't
going to hurt them. They're exposed, vulnerable.

It does *not* mean they want you to rub their belly. No matter how soft
or tempting, be ready for the claws to come out.

Jill

Jack Campin
July 21st 17, 08:03 PM
> Why, if cats don't like belly rubs, do they display themselves
> like this?
> https://s9.postimg.org/na751bla7/belly.jpg
> That's Buffy just a few minutes ago. In a puddle of sunshine.
> Here's the answer. It's a sign of trust. It shows they know
> you aren't going to hurt them. They're exposed, vulnerable.
> It does *not* mean they want you to rub their belly. No matter
> how soft or tempting, be ready for the claws to come out.

Ollie and Marblecake both do that. Marblecake genuinely does want
you to rub her tummy and purrs ecstatically waving her paws in the
air when you do it. For Ollie, it's the "Venus flytrap" hunting
strategy and it can take some doing to get several pounds of hungry
gingerness off your hand.

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Joy[_3_]
July 21st 17, 08:23 PM
On 7/21/2017 12:03 PM, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Why, if cats don't like belly rubs, do they display themselves
>> like this?
>> https://s9.postimg.org/na751bla7/belly.jpg
>> That's Buffy just a few minutes ago. In a puddle of sunshine.
>> Here's the answer. It's a sign of trust. It shows they know
>> you aren't going to hurt them. They're exposed, vulnerable.
>> It does *not* mean they want you to rub their belly. No matter
>> how soft or tempting, be ready for the claws to come out.
>
> Ollie and Marblecake both do that. Marblecake genuinely does want
> you to rub her tummy and purrs ecstatically waving her paws in the
> air when you do it. For Ollie, it's the "Venus flytrap" hunting
> strategy and it can take some doing to get several pounds of hungry
> gingerness off your hand.
>
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> e m a i l : j a c k @ c a m p i n . m e . u k
> Jack Campin, 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU, Scotland
> mobile 07895 860 060 <http://www.campin.me.uk> Twitter: JackCampin
>

Rudy (RB) used to love belly rubs, but at some point he'd have enough
and then all the claws and teeth clamped on. He didn't get very many
belly rubs.

Cheryl[_5_]
July 21st 17, 10:06 PM
On 2017-07-21 4:53 PM, Joy wrote:
> On 7/21/2017 12:03 PM, Jack Campin wrote:
>>> Why, if cats don't like belly rubs, do they display themselves
>>> like this?
>>> https://s9.postimg.org/na751bla7/belly.jpg
>>> That's Buffy just a few minutes ago. In a puddle of sunshine.
>>> Here's the answer. It's a sign of trust. It shows they know
>>> you aren't going to hurt them. They're exposed, vulnerable.
>>> It does *not* mean they want you to rub their belly. No matter
>>> how soft or tempting, be ready for the claws to come out.
>>
>> Ollie and Marblecake both do that. Marblecake genuinely does want
>> you to rub her tummy and purrs ecstatically waving her paws in the
>> air when you do it. For Ollie, it's the "Venus flytrap" hunting
>> strategy and it can take some doing to get several pounds of hungry
>> gingerness off your hand.
>>
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>>
>> e m a i l : j a c k @ c a m p i n . m e
>> . u k
>> Jack Campin, 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU,
>> Scotland
>> mobile 07895 860 060 <http://www.campin.me.uk> Twitter:
>> JackCampin
>>
>
> Rudy (RB) used to love belly rubs, but at some point he'd have enough
> and then all the claws and teeth clamped on. He didn't get very many
> belly rubs.

I don't think any of mine have really liked belly-rubs, although some of
them would stretch out on their backs and eye you as though inviting a
rub. It was all a ruse, though, maybe as Jack says a hunting strategy.

Well, Kerry's back from the vet, and it doesn't appear to be serious.
the way in which the fur is missing (some hairs left behind) makes the
vet think Kerry's licking and pulling at it, and it's not some kind of
endocrine disorder or other physical ailment, which would cause all the
hairs to fall out.

So it might be (a) fleas or mites or (b) stress. (a) seems quite
unlikely, since they're both indoor cats, but it's not entirely
impossible, so she suggested treating them for that, which has been
done. The other two suggestions were Feliway and a calming food. I
decided to try the Feliway but not, at least for now, the food. If
nothing else helps, Kerry can be given medication, but the vet suggested
a more conservative approach to start with.

I'm relieved it's not more serious. I was a bit shocked at the costs
involved - I can afford it, but I don't know how many people do since
lots of people have less income than I do. I'm not at all sure what
Kerry might have to be stressed about - she doesn't get on with
Cinnamon, but they've been in the house just over a year. And if one of
those two was getting stressed, I'd have said it would be Cinnamon, who
spends most of her time, with a full coat of fur, snoozing in the
bedroom and looking remarkably un-stressed.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes. The vet also picked up a bit of coughing
or noisy breathing that Kerry has. Kerry had just recovered from cat flu
when I adopted her, and I thought it was just the remnants of a
lingering cough she had, which has slowly become less and less frequent
or noticeable. The vet said it could be that, but bring her back if it
got worse, because cats can also get asthma or allergies.

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Cheryl

jmcquown[_2_]
July 21st 17, 10:33 PM
On 7/21/2017 5:06 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> Well, Kerry's back from the vet, and it doesn't appear to be serious.
> the way in which the fur is missing (some hairs left behind) makes the
> vet think Kerry's licking and pulling at it, and it's not some kind of
> endocrine disorder or other physical ailment, which would cause all the
> hairs to fall out.
>
> So it might be (a) fleas or mites or (b) stress. (a) seems quite
> unlikely, since they're both indoor cats, but it's not entirely
> impossible, so she suggested treating them for that, which has been
> done. The other two suggestions were Feliway and a calming food. I
> decided to try the Feliway but not, at least for now, the food. If
> nothing else helps, Kerry can be given medication, but the vet suggested
> a more conservative approach to start with.
>
It's helpful when the vet doesn't immediately insist on expensive
treatment and costly food.

> I'm relieved it's not more serious. I was a bit shocked at the costs
> involved - I can afford it, but I don't know how many people do since
> lots of people have less income than I do. I'm not at all sure what
> Kerry might have to be stressed about - she doesn't get on with
> Cinnamon, but they've been in the house just over a year. And if one of
> those two was getting stressed, I'd have said it would be Cinnamon, who
> spends most of her time, with a full coat of fur, snoozing in the
> bedroom and looking remarkably un-stressed.
>
> Anyway, we'll see how it goes. The vet also picked up a bit of coughing
> or noisy breathing that Kerry has. Kerry had just recovered from cat flu
> when I adopted her, and I thought it was just the remnants of a
> lingering cough she had, which has slowly become less and less frequent
> or noticeable. The vet said it could be that, but bring her back if it
> got worse, because cats can also get asthma or allergies.
>
Yes, I'd keep an eye on that but otherwise it sounds like the bit of fur
loss is nothing serious. Fingers still crossed!

Jill

MaryL
July 22nd 17, 04:21 PM
On 7/20/2017 5:07 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly near
> the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but like
> many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs so I hadn't looked at her
> belly in quite a while. I have an appointment with the vet for her
> tomorrow - I hope it's just a bit of minor over-grooming.
>
> Anyone have experience with cats losing fur?? She certainly grew it all
> back after she was spayed about a year ago, and now, a largish area is
> either very thin of or missing fur.
>

Is it possible that she has some food allergies? Many cats are allergic
to grains (especially corn). Of course, I know that you are already
careful of that, but it would be worthwhile to carefully look at the
list of ingredients, and also to use grain-free canned food.

MaryL

dgk
July 23rd 17, 01:19 AM
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:37:47 -0230, Cheryl >
wrote:

>Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly near
>the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but like
>many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs so I hadn't looked at her
>belly in quite a while. I have an appointment with the vet for her
>tomorrow - I hope it's just a bit of minor over-grooming.
>
>Anyone have experience with cats losing fur?? She certainly grew it all
>back after she was spayed about a year ago, and now, a largish area is
>either very thin of or missing fur.

Overgrooming? I was looking at Marlo a few months back and noticed
that her whole tummy was pink. Odd, because I had never noticed that
before, and we had her tested for everything and the conclusion was
that it was nothing organic, she was overgrooming. That's like normal
cleaning (licking) but overdoing it so that she literally was licking
away all the fur and was starting to tear the skin.

So it's behavioral. When I moved to Florida I grabbed a semi-feral cat
named Baby off the street and took her with me and Marlo, Nipsy and
Scooter. Apparently Marlo had some problem with Baby (she was
definitely chasing Baby around) and the result was some kitty social
issue (they're both X-girls and the other two are X-boys).

We tried some calming stuff and I was actually going to bring in a
behavioral specialist when I had a brilliant idea. My very elderly
mother lives nearby, and I figured that she might want a cat. Well, I
asked her if she would take Marlo for a while, and she did, and now
they're insepearable. It's been six months since Marlo went on
vacation, and Mom still calls me up to tell me the latest cute thing
Marlo did. Marlo loves being an only cat, and her fur all grew
back.I'm over there practically every day so it was pretty easy for
Marlo to adjust with me there a lot.

She also lost a lot of weight, and that turned out to be hyperthyroid,
but that was apparently unrelated to the overgrooming., Anyway, she
dropped from obese to a healthy weight and now she's on thyroid
medication and leveling off nicely. Happy ending.

Maybe you have some behavioral issue at play?

Cheryl[_6_]
July 24th 17, 03:55 PM
On 2017-07-22 12:51 PM, MaryL wrote:
> On 7/20/2017 5:07 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>> Kerry, my newish cat, seems to be lacking fur on part of her belly
>> near the back legs. I only just noticed - she loves being petted, but
>> like many cats, she takes exception to belly-rubs so I hadn't looked
>> at her belly in quite a while. I have an appointment with the vet for
>> her tomorrow - I hope it's just a bit of minor over-grooming.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with cats losing fur?? She certainly grew it
>> all back after she was spayed about a year ago, and now, a largish
>> area is either very thin of or missing fur.
>>
>
> Is it possible that she has some food allergies? Many cats are allergic
> to grains (especially corn). Of course, I know that you are already
> careful of that, but it would be worthwhile to carefully look at the
> list of ingredients, and also to use grain-free canned food.

I can double-check the food. I think it's odd it showed up now, since
there doesn't seem to have been any change in her living conditions. We
have had unusually good weather, so she's spending more time chittering
at the birds through the windows, but surely that's not stressing her out!


--
Cheryl

Cheryl[_6_]
July 24th 17, 03:56 PM
On 2017-07-21 7:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/21/2017 5:06 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> Well, Kerry's back from the vet, and it doesn't appear to be serious.
>> the way in which the fur is missing (some hairs left behind) makes the
>> vet think Kerry's licking and pulling at it, and it's not some kind of
>> endocrine disorder or other physical ailment, which would cause all the
>> hairs to fall out.
>>
>> So it might be (a) fleas or mites or (b) stress. (a) seems quite
>> unlikely, since they're both indoor cats, but it's not entirely
>> impossible, so she suggested treating them for that, which has been
>> done. The other two suggestions were Feliway and a calming food. I
>> decided to try the Feliway but not, at least for now, the food. If
>> nothing else helps, Kerry can be given medication, but the vet suggested
>> a more conservative approach to start with.
>>
> It's helpful when the vet doesn't immediately insist on expensive
> treatment and costly food.

The "calming" food I didn't buy was incredibly expensive! More than
twice what i normally spend, and I don't buy bottom-of-the-market food!

> Yes, I'd keep an eye on that but otherwise it sounds like the bit of fur
> loss is nothing serious. Fingers still crossed!

I'm relived that the vet thinks it's not a physical problem.


--
Cheryl

Cheryl[_6_]
July 24th 17, 03:58 PM
On 2017-07-22 9:49 PM, dgk wrote:

>
> Maybe you have some behavioral issue at play?
>

I'm glad it turned out well for Marlo.

Yes, it does seem to be over-grooming, possibly as a result of stress. I
can't figure out what might be stressing her. I can't identify anything
new in her living conditions. The food's the same; the human's the same;
she doesn't get on with the other cat Cinnamon, but that's been the
situation for over a year, and they don't fight; they have had
essentially separate kingdoms in different parts of the apartment for
months.

--
Cheryl

jmcquown[_2_]
July 24th 17, 05:05 PM
On 7/24/2017 10:56 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 2017-07-21 7:03 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/21/2017 5:06 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, Kerry's back from the vet, and it doesn't appear to be serious.
>>> the way in which the fur is missing (some hairs left behind) makes the
>>> vet think Kerry's licking and pulling at it, and it's not some kind of
>>> endocrine disorder or other physical ailment, which would cause all the
>>> hairs to fall out.
>>>
>>> So it might be (a) fleas or mites or (b) stress. (a) seems quite
>>> unlikely, since they're both indoor cats, but it's not entirely
>>> impossible, so she suggested treating them for that, which has been
>>> done. The other two suggestions were Feliway and a calming food. I
>>> decided to try the Feliway but not, at least for now, the food. If
>>> nothing else helps, Kerry can be given medication, but the vet suggested
>>> a more conservative approach to start with.
>>>
>> It's helpful when the vet doesn't immediately insist on expensive
>> treatment and costly food.
>
> The "calming" food I didn't buy was incredibly expensive! More than
> twice what i normally spend, and I don't buy bottom-of-the-market food!
>
I don't buy el cheapo cat food, either. But I paid a lot of money for
prescription food for Persia (RB 2014) and I'm not sure it was worth
paying more for.

>> Yes, I'd keep an eye on that but otherwise it sounds like the bit of fur
>> loss is nothing serious. Fingers still crossed!
>
> I'm relived that the vet thinks it's not a physical problem.
>
Thankfully not!

Jill

dgk
July 26th 17, 01:57 AM
On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:28:59 -0230, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 2017-07-22 9:49 PM, dgk wrote:
>
>>
>> Maybe you have some behavioral issue at play?
>>
>
>I'm glad it turned out well for Marlo.
>
>Yes, it does seem to be over-grooming, possibly as a result of stress. I
>can't figure out what might be stressing her. I can't identify anything
>new in her living conditions. The food's the same; the human's the same;
>she doesn't get on with the other cat Cinnamon, but that's been the
>situation for over a year, and they don't fight; they have had
>essentially separate kingdoms in different parts of the apartment for
>months.

Marlo was living in the new house with Baby (the feral) for more than
a year when I noticed the loss of fur. It takes a long time to lick
off all that fur. Maybe the Feliway will help - I was trying that but
it takes a while and I moved her to Mom's house before it really could
show any progress.