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Cheryl
June 23rd 03, 01:21 AM
Cat Protector wrote:
> Apparently none of you are metaphysical and thinking too human. Do
> you fear that my theory might be true. I for one have a relationship
> with my cats and have found on many occasions when I try to pick up
> my cat Jade and kiss her on the head or hug her, she meows as if to
> state "oh come on daddy, not again, I am an adult kitty here." I
> think you here need to think outside the lines and put away your
> human way of thinking and actually talk to your cats.
>
>

Re-read your post and come back and tell us you're not a fruitcake.
If you can't come to that conclusion, read it again.

Here's a clue. You seem to put human emotions on cats yet you say you
pick up Jade and kiss her on the head and she meows and calls you
daddy and says she's an adult. What if she is saying "get the ****
off me, you idiot!"? How would you know that?

[rpca removed from froup list]

Karen M.
June 23rd 03, 05:38 AM
Cheryl wrote:
> Cat Protector wrote:
>
>>Apparently none of you are metaphysical and thinking too human. Do
>>you fear that my theory might be true. I for one have a relationship
>>with my cats and have found on many occasions when I try to pick up
>>my cat Jade and kiss her on the head or hug her, she meows as if to
>>state "oh come on daddy, not again, I am an adult kitty here." I
>>think you here need to think outside the lines and put away your
>>human way of thinking and actually talk to your cats.
>>
>>
>
>
> Re-read your post and come back and tell us you're not a fruitcake.
> If you can't come to that conclusion, read it again.
>
> Here's a clue. You seem to put human emotions on cats yet you say you
> pick up Jade and kiss her on the head and she meows and calls you
> daddy and says she's an adult. What if she is saying "get the ****
> off me, you idiot!"? How would you know that?
>
> [rpca removed from froup list]
>
>

OMG, Cheryl - I almost peed my pants! High five to you!

:) K

Karen M.
June 23rd 03, 05:38 AM
Cheryl wrote:
> Cat Protector wrote:
>
>>Apparently none of you are metaphysical and thinking too human. Do
>>you fear that my theory might be true. I for one have a relationship
>>with my cats and have found on many occasions when I try to pick up
>>my cat Jade and kiss her on the head or hug her, she meows as if to
>>state "oh come on daddy, not again, I am an adult kitty here." I
>>think you here need to think outside the lines and put away your
>>human way of thinking and actually talk to your cats.
>>
>>
>
>
> Re-read your post and come back and tell us you're not a fruitcake.
> If you can't come to that conclusion, read it again.
>
> Here's a clue. You seem to put human emotions on cats yet you say you
> pick up Jade and kiss her on the head and she meows and calls you
> daddy and says she's an adult. What if she is saying "get the ****
> off me, you idiot!"? How would you know that?
>
> [rpca removed from froup list]
>
>

OMG, Cheryl - I almost peed my pants! High five to you!

:) K

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 06:51 AM
Cheryl,

I think you fear the truth. It certainly seems like it if you have to resort
to name calling or other colorful metaphores in order to drive your point.
Once again, how do you know that felines don't have human emotions? I think
Mr. Spock said it best in Star Trek IV when they were trying to ascertain
the meaning of the probe's call when it was causing our planet some problem,
I quote:

Dr McCoy: Oh really? You think that it is its way of saying, hi there to the
people of the Earth?"

Spock: "There are other forms of intelligence on Earth Doctor. Only human
arrogance would assume that the message must be meant for man."

What a wise man that Spock is, even though he may be a character on a sci-fi
show/movie. He certainly allowed people to see what a lot of humans consider
impossible. So I feel it is very possible for cats to have our same
emotions.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> Re-read your post and come back and tell us you're not a fruitcake.
> If you can't come to that conclusion, read it again.
>
> Here's a clue. You seem to put human emotions on cats yet you say you
> pick up Jade and kiss her on the head and she meows and calls you
> daddy and says she's an adult. What if she is saying "get the ****
> off me, you idiot!"? How would you know that?
>
> [rpca removed from froup list]
>
>

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 06:51 AM
Cheryl,

I think you fear the truth. It certainly seems like it if you have to resort
to name calling or other colorful metaphores in order to drive your point.
Once again, how do you know that felines don't have human emotions? I think
Mr. Spock said it best in Star Trek IV when they were trying to ascertain
the meaning of the probe's call when it was causing our planet some problem,
I quote:

Dr McCoy: Oh really? You think that it is its way of saying, hi there to the
people of the Earth?"

Spock: "There are other forms of intelligence on Earth Doctor. Only human
arrogance would assume that the message must be meant for man."

What a wise man that Spock is, even though he may be a character on a sci-fi
show/movie. He certainly allowed people to see what a lot of humans consider
impossible. So I feel it is very possible for cats to have our same
emotions.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> Re-read your post and come back and tell us you're not a fruitcake.
> If you can't come to that conclusion, read it again.
>
> Here's a clue. You seem to put human emotions on cats yet you say you
> pick up Jade and kiss her on the head and she meows and calls you
> daddy and says she's an adult. What if she is saying "get the ****
> off me, you idiot!"? How would you know that?
>
> [rpca removed from froup list]
>
>

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 09:29 AM
Again, I don't see how you can feel emotions are learned when in fact they
just can happen. The human psyche is just that. Yes some things can be
taught like smelling a flower, or tasting food. But pure emotions like love
can't be taught, they simply happen.

You say that "it's not possible that they can feel a learned emotion without
having had the experience that would have taught it. It doesn't work that
way, I don't care what Spock says." Could it be fear that drives your
viewpoint. How do you know what you say is true? It sounds like you are a
being a bit close minded.


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"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...
> First off I am glad you recognize that is a "character" and not a real
> person.
>
> Cats can have some of our same emotions but if you know anything
> about the human psyche and where we get our emotions (and some how
> I am guessing you don't) you would know that most of our emotions
> are learned. We aren't born feeling humiliated, greedy, generous,
prideful,
> envious..and a whole host of others. Those are emotions that are learned
> through the actions and response. Cats do not have the same experiences
> we have. The only action/response mechanism to trigger their emotions are
> the ones you subject them too. I'm sorry, I love my cat too but it's
> not possible that they can feel a learned emotion without having had the
> experience that would have taught it. It doesn't work that way, I don't
> care
> what Spock says.
>
> BTW..this isn't to say that you can't teach your cat to feel
> humiliated....but
> they dont just feel that way on their own..and neither do people!
>
> AG
>
>

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 09:29 AM
Again, I don't see how you can feel emotions are learned when in fact they
just can happen. The human psyche is just that. Yes some things can be
taught like smelling a flower, or tasting food. But pure emotions like love
can't be taught, they simply happen.

You say that "it's not possible that they can feel a learned emotion without
having had the experience that would have taught it. It doesn't work that
way, I don't care what Spock says." Could it be fear that drives your
viewpoint. How do you know what you say is true? It sounds like you are a
being a bit close minded.


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"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...
> First off I am glad you recognize that is a "character" and not a real
> person.
>
> Cats can have some of our same emotions but if you know anything
> about the human psyche and where we get our emotions (and some how
> I am guessing you don't) you would know that most of our emotions
> are learned. We aren't born feeling humiliated, greedy, generous,
prideful,
> envious..and a whole host of others. Those are emotions that are learned
> through the actions and response. Cats do not have the same experiences
> we have. The only action/response mechanism to trigger their emotions are
> the ones you subject them too. I'm sorry, I love my cat too but it's
> not possible that they can feel a learned emotion without having had the
> experience that would have taught it. It doesn't work that way, I don't
> care
> what Spock says.
>
> BTW..this isn't to say that you can't teach your cat to feel
> humiliated....but
> they dont just feel that way on their own..and neither do people!
>
> AG
>
>

Agua Girl
June 23rd 03, 03:31 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Again, I don't see how you can feel emotions are learned when in fact they
> just can happen. The human psyche is just that. Yes some things can be
> taught like smelling a flower, or tasting food. But pure emotions like
love
> can't be taught, they simply happen.
>
> You say that "it's not possible that they can feel a learned emotion
without
> having had the experience that would have taught it. It doesn't work that
> way, I don't care what Spock says." Could it be fear that drives your
> viewpoint. How do you know what you say is true? It sounds like you are a
> being a bit close minded.

I know it as well as I know 2 + 2 is 4. I learned it in college.
This isn't an opinion...it's what is taught The entire medical
community could be wrong. They were wrong about the world
being flat and they think dogs can't see colors
but the pet psychic on tv is always saying this dog or that dog likes
his red blanket. I'm just telling you what is the current
understanding (by the experts, not by me) of how emotions work.
BTW..the TV show merely said there were other forms of intelligence...
didn't say that cats got humiliated when you put on bunny ears.

As an anecdotal example. We had a golden retriever and ever
summer she shed like crazy. We took her to a new groomer who
suggested shaving her (not completely) before shedding season began.
So we agreed. She came out all happy wagging her tail which now
had this ridiculous puff on the end. I took one look at her and freaked...
what had they done to my dog. Tail stopped wagging, confused look...
Groomer and hubby both shushed me at the same time that I realized
what I had done. I immediately told her how gorgeous she looked, how
wonderful the cut was. From then on she happily got that stupid cut
(sans puffy tail) every summer and couldn't be happier. She only knew
to be humiliated or embarrassed by my negative input. She didn't get
embarrassed the moment she was cut..she learned to be by my input.

Get it?

AG

Agua Girl
June 23rd 03, 03:31 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Again, I don't see how you can feel emotions are learned when in fact they
> just can happen. The human psyche is just that. Yes some things can be
> taught like smelling a flower, or tasting food. But pure emotions like
love
> can't be taught, they simply happen.
>
> You say that "it's not possible that they can feel a learned emotion
without
> having had the experience that would have taught it. It doesn't work that
> way, I don't care what Spock says." Could it be fear that drives your
> viewpoint. How do you know what you say is true? It sounds like you are a
> being a bit close minded.

I know it as well as I know 2 + 2 is 4. I learned it in college.
This isn't an opinion...it's what is taught The entire medical
community could be wrong. They were wrong about the world
being flat and they think dogs can't see colors
but the pet psychic on tv is always saying this dog or that dog likes
his red blanket. I'm just telling you what is the current
understanding (by the experts, not by me) of how emotions work.
BTW..the TV show merely said there were other forms of intelligence...
didn't say that cats got humiliated when you put on bunny ears.

As an anecdotal example. We had a golden retriever and ever
summer she shed like crazy. We took her to a new groomer who
suggested shaving her (not completely) before shedding season began.
So we agreed. She came out all happy wagging her tail which now
had this ridiculous puff on the end. I took one look at her and freaked...
what had they done to my dog. Tail stopped wagging, confused look...
Groomer and hubby both shushed me at the same time that I realized
what I had done. I immediately told her how gorgeous she looked, how
wonderful the cut was. From then on she happily got that stupid cut
(sans puffy tail) every summer and couldn't be happier. She only knew
to be humiliated or embarrassed by my negative input. She didn't get
embarrassed the moment she was cut..she learned to be by my input.

Get it?

AG

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 03:37 PM
Isn't it funny that the so-called experts laughed at the notion of the
metaphysical as well. You need to stop thinking so human and expand your
mind.

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"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Cat Protector" > wrote in message

> I know it as well as I know 2 + 2 is 4. I learned it in college.
> This isn't an opinion...it's what is taught The entire medical
> community could be wrong. They were wrong about the world
> being flat and they think dogs can't see colors
> but the pet psychic on tv is always saying this dog or that dog likes
> his red blanket. I'm just telling you what is the current
> understanding (by the experts, not by me) of how emotions work.
> BTW..the TV show merely said there were other forms of intelligence...
> didn't say that cats got humiliated when you put on bunny ears.
>
> As an anecdotal example. We had a golden retriever and ever
> summer she shed like crazy. We took her to a new groomer who
> suggested shaving her (not completely) before shedding season began.
> So we agreed. She came out all happy wagging her tail which now
> had this ridiculous puff on the end. I took one look at her and
freaked...
> what had they done to my dog. Tail stopped wagging, confused look...
> Groomer and hubby both shushed me at the same time that I realized
> what I had done. I immediately told her how gorgeous she looked, how
> wonderful the cut was. From then on she happily got that stupid cut
> (sans puffy tail) every summer and couldn't be happier. She only knew
> to be humiliated or embarrassed by my negative input. She didn't get
> embarrassed the moment she was cut..she learned to be by my input.
>
> Get it?
>
> AG
>
>

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 03:37 PM
Isn't it funny that the so-called experts laughed at the notion of the
metaphysical as well. You need to stop thinking so human and expand your
mind.

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"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Cat Protector" > wrote in message

> I know it as well as I know 2 + 2 is 4. I learned it in college.
> This isn't an opinion...it's what is taught The entire medical
> community could be wrong. They were wrong about the world
> being flat and they think dogs can't see colors
> but the pet psychic on tv is always saying this dog or that dog likes
> his red blanket. I'm just telling you what is the current
> understanding (by the experts, not by me) of how emotions work.
> BTW..the TV show merely said there were other forms of intelligence...
> didn't say that cats got humiliated when you put on bunny ears.
>
> As an anecdotal example. We had a golden retriever and ever
> summer she shed like crazy. We took her to a new groomer who
> suggested shaving her (not completely) before shedding season began.
> So we agreed. She came out all happy wagging her tail which now
> had this ridiculous puff on the end. I took one look at her and
freaked...
> what had they done to my dog. Tail stopped wagging, confused look...
> Groomer and hubby both shushed me at the same time that I realized
> what I had done. I immediately told her how gorgeous she looked, how
> wonderful the cut was. From then on she happily got that stupid cut
> (sans puffy tail) every summer and couldn't be happier. She only knew
> to be humiliated or embarrassed by my negative input. She didn't get
> embarrassed the moment she was cut..she learned to be by my input.
>
> Get it?
>
> AG
>
>

Agua Girl
June 23rd 03, 03:57 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Isn't it funny that the so-called experts laughed at the notion of the
> metaphysical as well. You need to stop thinking so human and expand your
> mind.

You need to stop pretending that your cat is a human, it isn't
healthy for you and it is demeaning to the cat.

AG

Agua Girl
June 23rd 03, 03:57 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Isn't it funny that the so-called experts laughed at the notion of the
> metaphysical as well. You need to stop thinking so human and expand your
> mind.

You need to stop pretending that your cat is a human, it isn't
healthy for you and it is demeaning to the cat.

AG

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 04:58 PM
I never said my cat was human nor did I even state this. It is funny that my
posting claiming that cats can have emotions even shared ones that we humans
have bothers you so much. You obviously fear the possibility or else you
wouldn't be laughing at the notion nor would you be putting words in my
mouth. Those with a close mind obviously fear that which they don't
understand or don't wish to because they may find the truth.

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"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...

> You need to stop pretending that your cat is a human, it isn't
> healthy for you and it is demeaning to the cat.
>
> AG
>
>

Cat Protector
June 23rd 03, 04:58 PM
I never said my cat was human nor did I even state this. It is funny that my
posting claiming that cats can have emotions even shared ones that we humans
have bothers you so much. You obviously fear the possibility or else you
wouldn't be laughing at the notion nor would you be putting words in my
mouth. Those with a close mind obviously fear that which they don't
understand or don't wish to because they may find the truth.

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"Agua Girl" > wrote in message
t...

> You need to stop pretending that your cat is a human, it isn't
> healthy for you and it is demeaning to the cat.
>
> AG
>
>

Tara
June 23rd 03, 05:13 PM
Agua Girl wrote:
> "Cat Protector" > wrote in message
> news:hfEJa.[email protected]
>
>>Isn't it funny that the so-called experts laughed at the notion of the
>>metaphysical as well. You need to stop thinking so human and expand your
>>mind.
>
>
> You need to stop pretending that your cat is a human, it isn't
> healthy for you and it is demeaning to the cat.

Ya know, if I had read this earlier I would have saved a lot of wear and
tear on my keyboard <grin>

Tara

Tara
June 23rd 03, 05:13 PM
Agua Girl wrote:
> "Cat Protector" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>>Isn't it funny that the so-called experts laughed at the notion of the
>>metaphysical as well. You need to stop thinking so human and expand your
>>mind.
>
>
> You need to stop pretending that your cat is a human, it isn't
> healthy for you and it is demeaning to the cat.

Ya know, if I had read this earlier I would have saved a lot of wear and
tear on my keyboard <grin>

Tara

Tara
June 23rd 03, 05:20 PM
Cat Protector wrote:
> I never said my cat was human nor did I even state this. It is funny that my
> posting claiming that cats can have emotions even shared ones that we humans
> have bothers you so much.

I don't see that anyone here really has a problem with that. I saw a lot
of people who had a problem with you saying that and then grabbing your
cat and kissing her (when she obviously doesn't like it) and calling
yourself her big "Daddy". In treating her and dealing with her exactly
like a human, you are imposing human qualities that she then must either
adapt to, or not be able to participate in the relationship limits that
*you* have set.

> You obviously fear the possibility or else you
> wouldn't be laughing at the notion nor would you be putting words in my
> mouth.

Well, since you have been putting words in the mouths of everyone that
doesn't agree with you so far, I have to conclude (in true CP fashion)
that you are afraid of what we are saying.

> Those with a close mind obviously fear that which they don't
> understand or don't wish to because they may find the truth.

Hiding behind pontificating like this doesn't erase the contradictions
between how you wish to think and what you actually *do*.

Tara

Tara
June 23rd 03, 05:20 PM
Cat Protector wrote:
> I never said my cat was human nor did I even state this. It is funny that my
> posting claiming that cats can have emotions even shared ones that we humans
> have bothers you so much.

I don't see that anyone here really has a problem with that. I saw a lot
of people who had a problem with you saying that and then grabbing your
cat and kissing her (when she obviously doesn't like it) and calling
yourself her big "Daddy". In treating her and dealing with her exactly
like a human, you are imposing human qualities that she then must either
adapt to, or not be able to participate in the relationship limits that
*you* have set.

> You obviously fear the possibility or else you
> wouldn't be laughing at the notion nor would you be putting words in my
> mouth.

Well, since you have been putting words in the mouths of everyone that
doesn't agree with you so far, I have to conclude (in true CP fashion)
that you are afraid of what we are saying.

> Those with a close mind obviously fear that which they don't
> understand or don't wish to because they may find the truth.

Hiding behind pontificating like this doesn't erase the contradictions
between how you wish to think and what you actually *do*.

Tara

Dee
June 23rd 03, 09:20 PM
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tara wrote:

> people who had a problem with you saying that and then grabbing your
> cat and kissing her


Argh! I kiss my cats every day before I leave! *grin*

Dee

Dee
June 23rd 03, 09:20 PM
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tara wrote:

> people who had a problem with you saying that and then grabbing your
> cat and kissing her


Argh! I kiss my cats every day before I leave! *grin*

Dee

Tara
June 23rd 03, 11:22 PM
Dee wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tara wrote:
>
>
>>people who had a problem with you saying that and then grabbing your
>>cat and kissing her
>
>
>
> Argh! I kiss my cats every day before I leave! *grin*

Hey, I grab my Ben cat and kiss him right smack in the middle of his
forehead. He HATES it. He gives me a dirty look, and settles back into
cuddling. If I do it again (which I admittedly often do <eg>) then he
gets up in a huff and leaves. heh. Gotta have a sense of humor if yer
gonna live in *this* house :-) I can (and sometimes do) impose an inner
dialogue that gives voice to the fussing and the faces that he makes,
but it would be a disservice to him if I *believed* that inner dialogue
was actually what he was "thinking". Sure, it looks like an "awww MOM!
Cut it out, I hate that.", but its more likely that his feelings and
reactions are sourced in something much more uniquely feline than that.
and that's just as it should be.

I wonder if they interpret a lot of *our* behaviors through the filter
of the feline mind. Hmmm.....

Tara

Tara
June 23rd 03, 11:22 PM
Dee wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Tara wrote:
>
>
>>people who had a problem with you saying that and then grabbing your
>>cat and kissing her
>
>
>
> Argh! I kiss my cats every day before I leave! *grin*

Hey, I grab my Ben cat and kiss him right smack in the middle of his
forehead. He HATES it. He gives me a dirty look, and settles back into
cuddling. If I do it again (which I admittedly often do <eg>) then he
gets up in a huff and leaves. heh. Gotta have a sense of humor if yer
gonna live in *this* house :-) I can (and sometimes do) impose an inner
dialogue that gives voice to the fussing and the faces that he makes,
but it would be a disservice to him if I *believed* that inner dialogue
was actually what he was "thinking". Sure, it looks like an "awww MOM!
Cut it out, I hate that.", but its more likely that his feelings and
reactions are sourced in something much more uniquely feline than that.
and that's just as it should be.

I wonder if they interpret a lot of *our* behaviors through the filter
of the feline mind. Hmmm.....

Tara

Tara
June 24th 03, 04:28 AM
Sumkatz wrote:
> Agua Girl wrote:
>
>
>>I know it as well as I know 2 + 2 is 4. I learned it in college.
>>This isn't an opinion...it's what is taught
>
>
> Base3: There is no 4, 2 + 2 is 11.
> Base2: I concur, but 10 + 10 is 100.
> Base1: You are mistaken, 10 + 10 is 1000.
> Base4: Of course there's a 4, but in name only as 2 + 2 is 10.
> Base5: Well I'm with Aqua Girl, 2 + 2 is indeed 4.

God I haven't seen math like this since 7th grade! Wow. And apparently I
remembered the base systems wrong.

Tara

Tara
June 24th 03, 04:28 AM
Sumkatz wrote:
> Agua Girl wrote:
>
>
>>I know it as well as I know 2 + 2 is 4. I learned it in college.
>>This isn't an opinion...it's what is taught
>
>
> Base3: There is no 4, 2 + 2 is 11.
> Base2: I concur, but 10 + 10 is 100.
> Base1: You are mistaken, 10 + 10 is 1000.
> Base4: Of course there's a 4, but in name only as 2 + 2 is 10.
> Base5: Well I'm with Aqua Girl, 2 + 2 is indeed 4.

God I haven't seen math like this since 7th grade! Wow. And apparently I
remembered the base systems wrong.

Tara