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Tlg064
July 17th 03, 09:39 PM
Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my cats
floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a stray I
took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a little
trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting to
get out of the pool after she fell in.

Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground pool
should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no practical
way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In fact
walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or down.
Any suggestions.

Tom

J~
July 17th 03, 09:52 PM
could you get a cover for it ?? I am sure you have already
thought/looked into it.

I am suprised the cat could not get out, I have heard and see cats get
out of water before, not great swimmers but they can when needed.

J~

Tlg064 wrote:

> Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my cats
> floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a stray I
> took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a little
> trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting to
> get out of the pool after she fell in.
>
> Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
> concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground pool
> should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
> water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no practical
> way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In fact
> walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or down.
> Any suggestions.
>
> Tom
>

J~
July 17th 03, 09:52 PM
could you get a cover for it ?? I am sure you have already
thought/looked into it.

I am suprised the cat could not get out, I have heard and see cats get
out of water before, not great swimmers but they can when needed.

J~

Tlg064 wrote:

> Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my cats
> floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a stray I
> took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a little
> trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting to
> get out of the pool after she fell in.
>
> Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
> concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground pool
> should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
> water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no practical
> way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In fact
> walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or down.
> Any suggestions.
>
> Tom
>

Sandra Loosemore
July 17th 03, 10:51 PM
J~ > writes:

> I am suprised the cat could not get out, I have heard and see cats get
> out of water before, not great swimmers but they can when needed.

Even if the cat can swim, if there's nothing to climb out of the water
onto, they're sunk. :-P I've heard of people complaining about
*frogs* drowning in their swimming pools for that reason -- they can't
climb ladders or hop out of the water up the vertical side of the pool.
How about a ramp so the critters can climb out easily?

-Sandra

Sandra Loosemore
July 17th 03, 10:51 PM
J~ > writes:

> I am suprised the cat could not get out, I have heard and see cats get
> out of water before, not great swimmers but they can when needed.

Even if the cat can swim, if there's nothing to climb out of the water
onto, they're sunk. :-P I've heard of people complaining about
*frogs* drowning in their swimming pools for that reason -- they can't
climb ladders or hop out of the water up the vertical side of the pool.
How about a ramp so the critters can climb out easily?

-Sandra

Karen Chuplis
July 17th 03, 11:04 PM
Can't you get a cover for it? I'm sure they sell them. I'm really sorry this
happened.

Karen

"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my
cats
> floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a
stray I
> took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a
little
> trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting
to
> get out of the pool after she fell in.
>
> Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
> concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground
pool
> should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
> water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
practical
> way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In
fact
> walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or
down.
> Any suggestions.
>
> Tom

Karen Chuplis
July 17th 03, 11:04 PM
Can't you get a cover for it? I'm sure they sell them. I'm really sorry this
happened.

Karen

"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my
cats
> floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a
stray I
> took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a
little
> trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting
to
> get out of the pool after she fell in.
>
> Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
> concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground
pool
> should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
> water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
practical
> way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In
fact
> walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or
down.
> Any suggestions.
>
> Tom

Mary
July 18th 03, 12:59 AM
>Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
>concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground
>pool
>should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
>water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
>practical
>way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In
>fact
>walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or down.
>Any suggestions.
>
You need to be concerned about them getting out of the pool. Cats can swim but
can they find a way to the steps to get out? Can they pull themselves out over
the pool edge? Probably not as most dogs can't do this. I only let my cats near
the pool when I was around for this reason. Here is a story about my cat
falling in the pool (pushed!) while drinking. This story has a happy ending.
http://www.mary.cc/boots/stories/1.htm

Mary
July 18th 03, 12:59 AM
>Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
>concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground
>pool
>should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
>water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
>practical
>way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In
>fact
>walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or down.
>Any suggestions.
>
You need to be concerned about them getting out of the pool. Cats can swim but
can they find a way to the steps to get out? Can they pull themselves out over
the pool edge? Probably not as most dogs can't do this. I only let my cats near
the pool when I was around for this reason. Here is a story about my cat
falling in the pool (pushed!) while drinking. This story has a happy ending.
http://www.mary.cc/boots/stories/1.htm

Mary
July 18th 03, 01:02 AM
>How about a ramp so the critters can climb out easily?

That's a great idea! Maybe she can leave a piece of wood going from the deck to
the steps into the water. If she has no steps, maybe she can attack something
to the ladder, a little platform at water level they can climb onto then jump
out of the pool. My cat could swim but there was no way he would have known to
go to the steps. Thank god I was there.

Mary
July 18th 03, 01:02 AM
>How about a ramp so the critters can climb out easily?

That's a great idea! Maybe she can leave a piece of wood going from the deck to
the steps into the water. If she has no steps, maybe she can attack something
to the ladder, a little platform at water level they can climb onto then jump
out of the pool. My cat could swim but there was no way he would have known to
go to the steps. Thank god I was there.

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 01:16 AM
I am sorry to about your cat. This may be another message to remind people
to keep their cats inside or have them under close supervision outside.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my
cats
> floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a
stray I
> took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a
little
> trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting
to
> get out of the pool after she fell in.
>
> Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
> concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground
pool
> should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
> water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
practical
> way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In
fact
> walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or
down.
> Any suggestions.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 01:16 AM
I am sorry to about your cat. This may be another message to remind people
to keep their cats inside or have them under close supervision outside.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of my
cats
> floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a
stray I
> took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a
little
> trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting
to
> get out of the pool after she fell in.
>
> Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to be
> concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above ground
pool
> should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink pool
> water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
practical
> way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not. In
fact
> walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or
down.
> Any suggestions.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 01:18 AM
A cover would help. I'd get a retractable pool cover or one that is hard
surfaced enough so you can walk on it. But the best idea is to keep your
cats indoors or closely supervise the cats outside. Like a child, this case
proved even a cat could drown.

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Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"J~" > wrote in message ...
> could you get a cover for it ?? I am sure you have already
> thought/looked into it.
>
> I am suprised the cat could not get out, I have heard and see cats get
> out of water before, not great swimmers but they can when needed.
>
> J~
>
> Tlg064 wrote:
>
> > Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of
my cats
> > floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a
stray I
> > took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a
little
> > trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically
fighting to
> > get out of the pool after she fell in.
> >
> > Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to
be
> > concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above
ground pool
> > should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink
pool
> > water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
practical
> > way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not.
In fact
> > walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or
down.
> > Any suggestions.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 01:18 AM
A cover would help. I'd get a retractable pool cover or one that is hard
surfaced enough so you can walk on it. But the best idea is to keep your
cats indoors or closely supervise the cats outside. Like a child, this case
proved even a cat could drown.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"J~" > wrote in message ...
> could you get a cover for it ?? I am sure you have already
> thought/looked into it.
>
> I am suprised the cat could not get out, I have heard and see cats get
> out of water before, not great swimmers but they can when needed.
>
> J~
>
> Tlg064 wrote:
>
> > Just came home from work and decided to go in the pool and found one of
my cats
> > floating in the water. A heartbreaking and horrifying sight. She was a
stray I
> > took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age and having a
little
> > trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically
fighting to
> > get out of the pool after she fell in.
> >
> > Well I have four other cats one of which does go outside. Do I need to
be
> > concerned. Can a healthy cat manage to get herself out of an above
ground pool
> > should she fall in. The one that drowned and this one prefer to drink
pool
> > water in the summer rather than drinking from their bowl. There is no
practical
> > way I could close off the pool. The yard is fenced but the pool is not.
In fact
> > walking out the door leads directly to the pool without stepping up or
down.
> > Any suggestions.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

Liz
July 18th 03, 06:25 AM
I suppose your cat really had difficulty walking cuz I've seen many of
my cats fall inside the pool (even as 5/6 months old kittens) and they
jump out of the water as if it were hard ground. Could your cat jump
at all?

Liz
July 18th 03, 06:25 AM
I suppose your cat really had difficulty walking cuz I've seen many of
my cats fall inside the pool (even as 5/6 months old kittens) and they
jump out of the water as if it were hard ground. Could your cat jump
at all?

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 18th 03, 03:34 PM
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Rona Wrote
> >Hmmm, the trouble of covering a pool vs the life of a cat. Makes me
wonder
> about your priorities. Then again, the cat was just a stray, afterall
<said
> with much sarcasm>
>
> Its to be expected. Always a know-it-all asshole in every bunch.
>

In Usenet, readers can only go by the information provided by each poster.
My opinion is based on the information you provided.

> First of all I went way above and beyond the call of duty for this stray
cat.
> Had her spayed, shots, and routine trips to the vet for checkups and
boosters.
> Gave her a loving home as well. All my cats live like kings and queens.
>
> I dont think I have ever heard of anyone covering their pool each time
they use
> it to keep animals from falling in it. Defeats the purpose and beauty of
the
> pool. We are also talking about a 32ft long pool here. Simply not
practical to
> deal with a cover that large on a daily basis. I guess the animals will
just
> have to take their chances but I will incorporate some kind of escape
means
> just in case. Life is full of dangers for both man and beast.
>

Check out information on pool safety and pets. Even a simple Google search
brings up useful information such as
http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=2736 . There are options
available to anyone who has an interest in keeping their pets (as well as
children) safe. No method is foolproof, of course, but the options (such as
removable fencing, pool alarms, and pool covers) at least minimize the risks
involved with pools. But your focus (from what you have written) is
convenience and looks, not the safety of your animals. Your interest in
safety (from what you have written) comes third. If a person had drowned in
your pool, what would you be doing now to prevent a "next time"?

> So Rona. Dont talk about things you know nothing about or dont know the
> circumstances. <said with much disgust>
>
> Tom

As I said, options are available. You chose to have a pool and pets and you
should have investigated the safety hazards *before* even considering a
pool. That you didn't, imo, is far more disgusting than anything I have
said.

rona

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 18th 03, 03:34 PM
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Rona Wrote
> >Hmmm, the trouble of covering a pool vs the life of a cat. Makes me
wonder
> about your priorities. Then again, the cat was just a stray, afterall
<said
> with much sarcasm>
>
> Its to be expected. Always a know-it-all asshole in every bunch.
>

In Usenet, readers can only go by the information provided by each poster.
My opinion is based on the information you provided.

> First of all I went way above and beyond the call of duty for this stray
cat.
> Had her spayed, shots, and routine trips to the vet for checkups and
boosters.
> Gave her a loving home as well. All my cats live like kings and queens.
>
> I dont think I have ever heard of anyone covering their pool each time
they use
> it to keep animals from falling in it. Defeats the purpose and beauty of
the
> pool. We are also talking about a 32ft long pool here. Simply not
practical to
> deal with a cover that large on a daily basis. I guess the animals will
just
> have to take their chances but I will incorporate some kind of escape
means
> just in case. Life is full of dangers for both man and beast.
>

Check out information on pool safety and pets. Even a simple Google search
brings up useful information such as
http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=2736 . There are options
available to anyone who has an interest in keeping their pets (as well as
children) safe. No method is foolproof, of course, but the options (such as
removable fencing, pool alarms, and pool covers) at least minimize the risks
involved with pools. But your focus (from what you have written) is
convenience and looks, not the safety of your animals. Your interest in
safety (from what you have written) comes third. If a person had drowned in
your pool, what would you be doing now to prevent a "next time"?

> So Rona. Dont talk about things you know nothing about or dont know the
> circumstances. <said with much disgust>
>
> Tom

As I said, options are available. You chose to have a pool and pets and you
should have investigated the safety hazards *before* even considering a
pool. That you didn't, imo, is far more disgusting than anything I have
said.

rona

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 04:30 PM
Rona Wrote
>In Usenet, readers can only go by the information provided by each poster.
My opinion is based on the information you provided.<

I understand

> Google search brings up useful information such as
http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=2736 <

That link does not seem to be working at the moment but I will check it out
later.

>No method is foolproof, of course, but the options (such as
removable fencing, pool alarms, and pool covers) at least minimize the risks
involved with pools. But your focus (from what you have written) is
convenience and looks, not the safety of your animals. Your interest in
safety (from what you have written) comes third.<
<As I said, options are available. You chose to have a pool and pets and you
should have investigated the safety hazards *before* even considering a pool.
That you didn't, imo, is far more disgusting than anything I have said.<

Alarms would not do any good if I'm not home as happened. In any case I
installed the pool for its convenience long before this stray cat and her
unborn kitten came looking for a home. I guess she picked the wrong home. I did
however treat her very well and made her feel welcome. From what I hear and
observe, I treat my cats far better than many, if not most, pet owners. Till
now it never occured to me that a streetwise cat could fall into the pool and
drown. The very first day this cat came into my yard she could have fallen into
the pool. Do I need to cover, fence and alarm my pool for any animal that may
venture into my yard?

> If a person had drowned in your pool, what would you be doing now to prevent
a "next time"?

My yard is fenced in as required by law. Other than myself and my wife just
about no one else uses the pool.

Tom

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 04:30 PM
Rona Wrote
>In Usenet, readers can only go by the information provided by each poster.
My opinion is based on the information you provided.<

I understand

> Google search brings up useful information such as
http://www.petplace.com/Articles/artShow.asp?artID=2736 <

That link does not seem to be working at the moment but I will check it out
later.

>No method is foolproof, of course, but the options (such as
removable fencing, pool alarms, and pool covers) at least minimize the risks
involved with pools. But your focus (from what you have written) is
convenience and looks, not the safety of your animals. Your interest in
safety (from what you have written) comes third.<
<As I said, options are available. You chose to have a pool and pets and you
should have investigated the safety hazards *before* even considering a pool.
That you didn't, imo, is far more disgusting than anything I have said.<

Alarms would not do any good if I'm not home as happened. In any case I
installed the pool for its convenience long before this stray cat and her
unborn kitten came looking for a home. I guess she picked the wrong home. I did
however treat her very well and made her feel welcome. From what I hear and
observe, I treat my cats far better than many, if not most, pet owners. Till
now it never occured to me that a streetwise cat could fall into the pool and
drown. The very first day this cat came into my yard she could have fallen into
the pool. Do I need to cover, fence and alarm my pool for any animal that may
venture into my yard?

> If a person had drowned in your pool, what would you be doing now to prevent
a "next time"?

My yard is fenced in as required by law. Other than myself and my wife just
about no one else uses the pool.

Tom

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 04:37 PM
Oh and buy the way Rona. Took the day out of work today to give the cat a
proper burial. Just got done. She will now rest in a beautiful flower bed that
she used to sleep in a lot. It is about 8ft from the pool and I went and bought
her a solar light to light the spot at nite.

Tom

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 04:37 PM
Oh and buy the way Rona. Took the day out of work today to give the cat a
proper burial. Just got done. She will now rest in a beautiful flower bed that
she used to sleep in a lot. It is about 8ft from the pool and I went and bought
her a solar light to light the spot at nite.

Tom

J~
July 18th 03, 04:49 PM
I know we cover our hot tub every night not matter what, actually we
only cover it if we are not on deck. I know they make pool covers that
are on a large roll and you just un-roll from one side to other, very
easy. I will see if I can find a link to what our neighbors have.

Here go to: http://www.poolcovers.com
online photos > Vanishing Edge Pool and it is pic in top left corner.

Not saying to buy this one but something like it so it is easy to use.

J~

Tlg064 wrote:

> Thanks for all the suggestions. I think the one about a small platform at water
> level would work well, be easy to implement and not interfere to much with use
> of the pool. Probably could cover the platform with that blue outdoor carpet to
> give the cat something to sink her claws into and have the carpet lead right up
> onto the deck. Probably would not look bad either.
>
> Covering the pool would be way to much trouble. Keeping the cat indoors would
> not work either. The cat that drowned was a stray and I think spent most of her
> prior life outdooors so it would be hard to have kept her in. The other cat
> that goes out has been following her mother (the deceased) out since she was a
> baby. The rest of my cats I take out in the yard on a leash occasionaly.
>
> Someone asked if the cat could jump. Yes, but not well. Enough to jump onto a
> chair or something but thats all. Sometimes it would take 2 tries. Her hind
> legs were getting weak and sometimes going down stairs she would tumble all the
> way down.
>
> Tom
>

J~
July 18th 03, 04:49 PM
I know we cover our hot tub every night not matter what, actually we
only cover it if we are not on deck. I know they make pool covers that
are on a large roll and you just un-roll from one side to other, very
easy. I will see if I can find a link to what our neighbors have.

Here go to: http://www.poolcovers.com
online photos > Vanishing Edge Pool and it is pic in top left corner.

Not saying to buy this one but something like it so it is easy to use.

J~

Tlg064 wrote:

> Thanks for all the suggestions. I think the one about a small platform at water
> level would work well, be easy to implement and not interfere to much with use
> of the pool. Probably could cover the platform with that blue outdoor carpet to
> give the cat something to sink her claws into and have the carpet lead right up
> onto the deck. Probably would not look bad either.
>
> Covering the pool would be way to much trouble. Keeping the cat indoors would
> not work either. The cat that drowned was a stray and I think spent most of her
> prior life outdooors so it would be hard to have kept her in. The other cat
> that goes out has been following her mother (the deceased) out since she was a
> baby. The rest of my cats I take out in the yard on a leash occasionaly.
>
> Someone asked if the cat could jump. Yes, but not well. Enough to jump onto a
> chair or something but thats all. Sometimes it would take 2 tries. Her hind
> legs were getting weak and sometimes going down stairs she would tumble all the
> way down.
>
> Tom
>

Karen Chuplis
July 18th 03, 05:45 PM
That's very nice. I was wondering,is your pool above ground or ground level
pool?

Karen

"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Oh and buy the way Rona. Took the day out of work today to give the cat a
> proper burial. Just got done. She will now rest in a beautiful flower bed
that
> she used to sleep in a lot. It is about 8ft from the pool and I went and
bought
> her a solar light to light the spot at nite.
>
> Tom

Karen Chuplis
July 18th 03, 05:45 PM
That's very nice. I was wondering,is your pool above ground or ground level
pool?

Karen

"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Oh and buy the way Rona. Took the day out of work today to give the cat a
> proper burial. Just got done. She will now rest in a beautiful flower bed
that
> she used to sleep in a lot. It is about 8ft from the pool and I went and
bought
> her a solar light to light the spot at nite.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 05:54 PM
You know as tragic as this was it could have been avoided had the cat been
kept indoors. It is not that difficult to keep a cat indoors. Just because
that cat was a stray does it make their life any less important?
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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for all the suggestions. I think the one about a small platform at
water
> level would work well, be easy to implement and not interfere to much
with use
> of the pool. Probably could cover the platform with that blue outdoor
carpet to
> give the cat something to sink her claws into and have the carpet lead
right up
> onto the deck. Probably would not look bad either.
>
> Covering the pool would be way to much trouble. Keeping the cat indoors
would
> not work either. The cat that drowned was a stray and I think spent most
of her
> prior life outdooors so it would be hard to have kept her in. The other
cat
> that goes out has been following her mother (the deceased) out since she
was a
> baby. The rest of my cats I take out in the yard on a leash occasionaly.
>
> Someone asked if the cat could jump. Yes, but not well. Enough to jump
onto a
> chair or something but thats all. Sometimes it would take 2 tries. Her
hind
> legs were getting weak and sometimes going down stairs she would tumble
all the
> way down.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 05:54 PM
You know as tragic as this was it could have been avoided had the cat been
kept indoors. It is not that difficult to keep a cat indoors. Just because
that cat was a stray does it make their life any less important?
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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for all the suggestions. I think the one about a small platform at
water
> level would work well, be easy to implement and not interfere to much
with use
> of the pool. Probably could cover the platform with that blue outdoor
carpet to
> give the cat something to sink her claws into and have the carpet lead
right up
> onto the deck. Probably would not look bad either.
>
> Covering the pool would be way to much trouble. Keeping the cat indoors
would
> not work either. The cat that drowned was a stray and I think spent most
of her
> prior life outdooors so it would be hard to have kept her in. The other
cat
> that goes out has been following her mother (the deceased) out since she
was a
> baby. The rest of my cats I take out in the yard on a leash occasionaly.
>
> Someone asked if the cat could jump. Yes, but not well. Enough to jump
onto a
> chair or something but thats all. Sometimes it would take 2 tries. Her
hind
> legs were getting weak and sometimes going down stairs she would tumble
all the
> way down.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 06:00 PM
I question this person's priorities as well. I feel really bad this cat
drowned and we have a human who obviously feels that a cat drowning is no
big deal as long as they are a stray. This was a hard lesson to learn and
can be prevented next time. But of course the human here feels that a little
time and money is too much trouble. Montgomery Burns would be proud.

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"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...

> Hmmm, the trouble of covering a pool vs the life of a cat. Makes me
wonder
> about your priorities. Then again, the cat was just a stray, afterall
<said
> with much sarcasm>
>
> rona
>
>

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 06:00 PM
I question this person's priorities as well. I feel really bad this cat
drowned and we have a human who obviously feels that a cat drowning is no
big deal as long as they are a stray. This was a hard lesson to learn and
can be prevented next time. But of course the human here feels that a little
time and money is too much trouble. Montgomery Burns would be proud.

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"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...

> Hmmm, the trouble of covering a pool vs the life of a cat. Makes me
wonder
> about your priorities. Then again, the cat was just a stray, afterall
<said
> with much sarcasm>
>
> rona
>
>

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 06:17 PM
Let me see, people here show their sympathy and sorrow and give you some
great suggestions and you now call them names and then state how high and
might you are and that you treat the cats as kings and queens. One of your
royal members drowns and you say that because they were just a stray that
there is no need to do anything to keep this from happening next time. Why
did you post about this tragedy and then ask for our suggestions to prevent
this from happening if you are not going to take our advice? A pool cover is
great idea and it does not take that much time to put it over the pool or to
remove it when you want to swim. You can also get a retractable one as well.
Of course you state below that the animals will have to take their chances.
It makes me wonder what kind of tragedy it will take for you to learn the
lesson. One life has been lost, will it take another for you to learn? That
is a pretty high price to pay. Would you be so bold about of this if the
child who drowned was a human?

I found your post below a bit disturbing. You state life is full of dangers
for both man and beast. That may be true but even the smartest of beasts and
man learn when a tragedy happens. Perhaps you need to take a few lessons
from those very men and beasts that you say face dangers every day. You tell
Rona not to talk about things she knows nothing about but she brought up a
valid point as sarcastic as it might have been. There is a great opportunity
for you to learn from this tragedy so this can be prevented from happening
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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> Its to be expected. Always a know-it-all asshole in every bunch.
>
> First of all I went way above and beyond the call of duty for this stray
cat.
> Had her spayed, shots, and routine trips to the vet for checkups and
boosters.
> Gave her a loving home as well. All my cats live like kings and queens.
>
> I dont think I have ever heard of anyone covering their pool each time
they use
> it to keep animals from falling in it. Defeats the purpose and beauty of
the
> pool. We are also talking about a 32ft long pool here. Simply not
practical to
> deal with a cover that large on a daily basis. I guess the animals will
just
> have to take their chances but I will incorporate some kind of escape
means
> just in case. Life is full of dangers for both man and beast.
>
> So Rona. Dont talk about things you know nothing about or dont know the
> circumstances. <said with much disgust>
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 06:17 PM
Let me see, people here show their sympathy and sorrow and give you some
great suggestions and you now call them names and then state how high and
might you are and that you treat the cats as kings and queens. One of your
royal members drowns and you say that because they were just a stray that
there is no need to do anything to keep this from happening next time. Why
did you post about this tragedy and then ask for our suggestions to prevent
this from happening if you are not going to take our advice? A pool cover is
great idea and it does not take that much time to put it over the pool or to
remove it when you want to swim. You can also get a retractable one as well.
Of course you state below that the animals will have to take their chances.
It makes me wonder what kind of tragedy it will take for you to learn the
lesson. One life has been lost, will it take another for you to learn? That
is a pretty high price to pay. Would you be so bold about of this if the
child who drowned was a human?

I found your post below a bit disturbing. You state life is full of dangers
for both man and beast. That may be true but even the smartest of beasts and
man learn when a tragedy happens. Perhaps you need to take a few lessons
from those very men and beasts that you say face dangers every day. You tell
Rona not to talk about things she knows nothing about but she brought up a
valid point as sarcastic as it might have been. There is a great opportunity
for you to learn from this tragedy so this can be prevented from happening
again.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> Its to be expected. Always a know-it-all asshole in every bunch.
>
> First of all I went way above and beyond the call of duty for this stray
cat.
> Had her spayed, shots, and routine trips to the vet for checkups and
boosters.
> Gave her a loving home as well. All my cats live like kings and queens.
>
> I dont think I have ever heard of anyone covering their pool each time
they use
> it to keep animals from falling in it. Defeats the purpose and beauty of
the
> pool. We are also talking about a 32ft long pool here. Simply not
practical to
> deal with a cover that large on a daily basis. I guess the animals will
just
> have to take their chances but I will incorporate some kind of escape
means
> just in case. Life is full of dangers for both man and beast.
>
> So Rona. Dont talk about things you know nothing about or dont know the
> circumstances. <said with much disgust>
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 06:19 PM
Then keep the cats indoors. How hard is that?

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> Alarms would not do any good if I'm not home as happened. In any case I
> installed the pool for its convenience long before this stray cat and her
> unborn kitten came looking for a home. I guess she picked the wrong home.
I did
> however treat her very well and made her feel welcome. From what I hear
and
> observe, I treat my cats far better than many, if not most, pet owners.
Till
> now it never occured to me that a streetwise cat could fall into the pool
and
> drown. The very first day this cat came into my yard she could have fallen
into
> the pool. Do I need to cover, fence and alarm my pool for any animal that
may
> venture into my yard?
>
> > If a person had drowned in your pool, what would you be doing now to
prevent
> a "next time"?
>
> My yard is fenced in as required by law. Other than myself and my wife
just
> about no one else uses the pool.
>
> Tom

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July 18th 03, 06:19 PM
Then keep the cats indoors. How hard is that?

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> Alarms would not do any good if I'm not home as happened. In any case I
> installed the pool for its convenience long before this stray cat and her
> unborn kitten came looking for a home. I guess she picked the wrong home.
I did
> however treat her very well and made her feel welcome. From what I hear
and
> observe, I treat my cats far better than many, if not most, pet owners.
Till
> now it never occured to me that a streetwise cat could fall into the pool
and
> drown. The very first day this cat came into my yard she could have fallen
into
> the pool. Do I need to cover, fence and alarm my pool for any animal that
may
> venture into my yard?
>
> > If a person had drowned in your pool, what would you be doing now to
prevent
> a "next time"?
>
> My yard is fenced in as required by law. Other than myself and my wife
just
> about no one else uses the pool.
>
> Tom

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 06:55 PM
Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all of you
as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.

I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray. And
dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first came
she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was neglected.
She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other cats
bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the glass
trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was not a
thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change that. She
was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten outside and
it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It was
also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times. Did I
need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the first
time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I was
not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should have
told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most people
would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above and
beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this cat a
great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.

As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up the
golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to impress
their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My pool
will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it. No
fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2 months
of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or leave the
pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long cover.
Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that case.
Not gonna happen.

So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes to
shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into taming
this stray as I did.

Tom

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 06:55 PM
Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all of you
as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.

I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray. And
dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first came
she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was neglected.
She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other cats
bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the glass
trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was not a
thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change that. She
was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten outside and
it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It was
also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times. Did I
need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the first
time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I was
not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should have
told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most people
would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above and
beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this cat a
great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.

As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up the
golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to impress
their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My pool
will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it. No
fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2 months
of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or leave the
pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long cover.
Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that case.
Not gonna happen.

So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes to
shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into taming
this stray as I did.

Tom

J~
July 18th 03, 07:48 PM
Let me just say, I have no personal issue with any one in this group, I
think most of us were just trying to help prevent another accident with
your pool.

Things happen and you learn and move on from it.... you hope

J~

Tlg064 wrote:

> Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all of you
> as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
>
> I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray. And
> dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first came
> she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was neglected.
> She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other cats
> bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the glass
> trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was not a
> thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change that. She
> was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten outside and
> it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It was
> also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times. Did I
> need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the first
> time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I was
> not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should have
> told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most people
> would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above and
> beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this cat a
> great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
>
> As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up the
> golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to impress
> their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My pool
> will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it. No
> fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2 months
> of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or leave the
> pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long cover.
> Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that case.
> Not gonna happen.
>
> So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes to
> shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into taming
> this stray as I did.
>
> Tom
>

J~
July 18th 03, 07:48 PM
Let me just say, I have no personal issue with any one in this group, I
think most of us were just trying to help prevent another accident with
your pool.

Things happen and you learn and move on from it.... you hope

J~

Tlg064 wrote:

> Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all of you
> as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
>
> I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray. And
> dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first came
> she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was neglected.
> She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other cats
> bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the glass
> trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was not a
> thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change that. She
> was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten outside and
> it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It was
> also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times. Did I
> need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the first
> time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I was
> not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should have
> told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most people
> would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above and
> beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this cat a
> great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
>
> As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up the
> golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to impress
> their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My pool
> will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it. No
> fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2 months
> of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or leave the
> pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long cover.
> Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that case.
> Not gonna happen.
>
> So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes to
> shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into taming
> this stray as I did.
>
> Tom
>

Karen Chuplis
July 18th 03, 09:16 PM
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all
of you
> as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
>
> I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray.
And
> dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first
came
> she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was
neglected.
> She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other
cats
> bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the
glass
> trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was
not a
> thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change
that. She
> was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten
outside and
> it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It
was
> also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times.
Did I
> need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the
first
> time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I
was
> not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should
have
> told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
> would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above
and
> beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this
cat a
> great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
>
> As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up
the
> golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to
impress
> their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My
pool
> will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it.
No
> fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2
months
> of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or
leave the
> pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long
cover.
> Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that
case.
> Not gonna happen.
>

If the California and Golden Gates remark was to ME, I had some friends in
FLORIDA that set up POOL fences and it was simply an offer of advice of what
OTHER people I KNOW actual DO to protect pets from the pool. Jeez. I wasn't
mad until now, but now I am ****ED that my suggestions are flung back at me
like this. I did nothing but offer condolences and try to offer some advice
and your flying off the handle at EVERYONE over two other posters is rude
and insulting to the rest of us. I'm quite certain you feel bad about the
incident and that is part of this temper tantrum but I read many posts
offering you REAL advice and we don't deserve this diatribe. Jeez. Try to be
helpful and look what you get. All I can say is I hope you do something and
it works.

Good bye

Karen

Karen Chuplis
July 18th 03, 09:16 PM
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all
of you
> as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
>
> I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray.
And
> dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first
came
> she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was
neglected.
> She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other
cats
> bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the
glass
> trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was
not a
> thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change
that. She
> was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten
outside and
> it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It
was
> also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times.
Did I
> need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the
first
> time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I
was
> not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should
have
> told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
> would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above
and
> beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this
cat a
> great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
>
> As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up
the
> golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to
impress
> their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My
pool
> will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it.
No
> fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2
months
> of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or
leave the
> pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long
cover.
> Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that
case.
> Not gonna happen.
>

If the California and Golden Gates remark was to ME, I had some friends in
FLORIDA that set up POOL fences and it was simply an offer of advice of what
OTHER people I KNOW actual DO to protect pets from the pool. Jeez. I wasn't
mad until now, but now I am ****ED that my suggestions are flung back at me
like this. I did nothing but offer condolences and try to offer some advice
and your flying off the handle at EVERYONE over two other posters is rude
and insulting to the rest of us. I'm quite certain you feel bad about the
incident and that is part of this temper tantrum but I read many posts
offering you REAL advice and we don't deserve this diatribe. Jeez. Try to be
helpful and look what you get. All I can say is I hope you do something and
it works.

Good bye

Karen

Karen Chuplis
July 18th 03, 09:17 PM
"wombn" > wrote in message
...
> On 18 Jul 2003 13:40:16 GMT, (Tlg064) wrote:
>
> >I dont think I have ever heard of anyone covering their pool each time
they use
> >it
>
> My brother does.
>
> It serves three purposes:
> 1) keeps leaves out
> 2) keeps water warm
> 3) keeps uninvited guests out
>
>
My coworker (here in Nebraska where we ALSO only have two months worth of
use out of a pool also uses a cover for the same reasons. I, too, was on the
OP's side until his last ****y, ungrateful tirade.

Karen

Karen Chuplis
July 18th 03, 09:17 PM
"wombn" > wrote in message
...
> On 18 Jul 2003 13:40:16 GMT, (Tlg064) wrote:
>
> >I dont think I have ever heard of anyone covering their pool each time
they use
> >it
>
> My brother does.
>
> It serves three purposes:
> 1) keeps leaves out
> 2) keeps water warm
> 3) keeps uninvited guests out
>
>
My coworker (here in Nebraska where we ALSO only have two months worth of
use out of a pool also uses a cover for the same reasons. I, too, was on the
OP's side until his last ****y, ungrateful tirade.

Karen

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 09:30 PM
You most certainly did belittle the cat's death by shrugging her off simply
because she was a stray. You may have buried this cat, given her shots and
such but you did not go above and beyond the call of duty here. I saw what
you posted and now even after a cat dies you still wish to live in ignorance
and not learn a lesson to prevent future occurrences. I think that is pretty
selfish that you would risk another life simply to make things easier for
you. I felt really bad for you on the first post and even offered
suggestions when you asked for them. Now I don't feel sad for you anymore
but I do feel sad for the cat.

As for you in saying in the story below how most people would have chased
her away because of her temperament, I find that hard to believe. Some
people might but you could have taken her to a no-kill facility if she was
that much of a burden to you. BTW, in answer to your post below on how I
just talk ****. How wrong you are. I am involved in rescuing cats and my
Isis in fact was picked up as a stray originally before I adopted her. She
is not only a great kitty but she also is a member of my family just like my
second cat Jade who I rescued from an abandoned apartment last summer that
had no power, and she hardly had food or water. She also had a disgustingly
dirty litterbox as well. Let's not forget another cat I rescued named Ali
who was declawed and left outside because the people moved away and dumped
him. When I rescued him even the slightest movement set him off so there was
clearly abuse there but there were brief moments he showed what a wonderful
sweet kitty he was. I took him to Sun Valley Animal Shelter the next day and
for months they rehabilitated him and they too saw how sweet he was like
actually putting his paws on you and giving a hug. He now apparently has a
good home and the people absolutely love him.

I find it disgusting that you would put yourself on a pedestal because you
did a few good things and then decide because the cat was a stray her life
was less valuable. Then above it all you decide a pool is more important
than a life. Sure you could buy a pool cover, keep your cats indoors and of
course take the advice of some of the others who offered great suggestions
to keep this from occuring again but of course you seem to value the
material over a life. Tell me this. If you were drowning or in a life and
death situation would you want someone to save you or would you want them to
say "sorry. I'd save you but it'd be inconvenient do so because there is
nothing in it for me." Or how about if someone said "I'd save you but you
might bleed all over my new carpeting." Also what if someone said they
couldn't save you because they simply didn't have the time. This cat that
drowned had nobody around to save her life. Or is there more to this story
than just finding her body in the pool? Regardless, you could save another
life by doing some very simple things like getting a pool cover, keeping the
cats indoors, etc. I can tell by your last posts that even that is too much
for you. Pretty shameful you don't wish to learn from this lesson and
possibly save another life simply because you put more value on the
material. I would think that a life would be priceless but of course some
people such as yourself feel a life does have a price. I hope you will
remember your selfeshness and posts here the next time you need help and
nobody answers your call. Remember, what goes around comes around.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all
of you
> as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
>
> I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray.
And
> dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first
came
> she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was
neglected.
> She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other
cats
> bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the
glass
> trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was
not a
> thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change
that. She
> was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten
outside and
> it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It
was
> also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times.
Did I
> need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the
first
> time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I
was
> not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should
have
> told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
> would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above
and
> beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this
cat a
> great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
>
> As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up
the
> golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to
impress
> their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My
pool
> will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it.
No
> fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2
months
> of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or
leave the
> pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long
cover.
> Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that
case.
> Not gonna happen.
>
> So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes to
> shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into
taming
> this stray as I did.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 09:30 PM
You most certainly did belittle the cat's death by shrugging her off simply
because she was a stray. You may have buried this cat, given her shots and
such but you did not go above and beyond the call of duty here. I saw what
you posted and now even after a cat dies you still wish to live in ignorance
and not learn a lesson to prevent future occurrences. I think that is pretty
selfish that you would risk another life simply to make things easier for
you. I felt really bad for you on the first post and even offered
suggestions when you asked for them. Now I don't feel sad for you anymore
but I do feel sad for the cat.

As for you in saying in the story below how most people would have chased
her away because of her temperament, I find that hard to believe. Some
people might but you could have taken her to a no-kill facility if she was
that much of a burden to you. BTW, in answer to your post below on how I
just talk ****. How wrong you are. I am involved in rescuing cats and my
Isis in fact was picked up as a stray originally before I adopted her. She
is not only a great kitty but she also is a member of my family just like my
second cat Jade who I rescued from an abandoned apartment last summer that
had no power, and she hardly had food or water. She also had a disgustingly
dirty litterbox as well. Let's not forget another cat I rescued named Ali
who was declawed and left outside because the people moved away and dumped
him. When I rescued him even the slightest movement set him off so there was
clearly abuse there but there were brief moments he showed what a wonderful
sweet kitty he was. I took him to Sun Valley Animal Shelter the next day and
for months they rehabilitated him and they too saw how sweet he was like
actually putting his paws on you and giving a hug. He now apparently has a
good home and the people absolutely love him.

I find it disgusting that you would put yourself on a pedestal because you
did a few good things and then decide because the cat was a stray her life
was less valuable. Then above it all you decide a pool is more important
than a life. Sure you could buy a pool cover, keep your cats indoors and of
course take the advice of some of the others who offered great suggestions
to keep this from occuring again but of course you seem to value the
material over a life. Tell me this. If you were drowning or in a life and
death situation would you want someone to save you or would you want them to
say "sorry. I'd save you but it'd be inconvenient do so because there is
nothing in it for me." Or how about if someone said "I'd save you but you
might bleed all over my new carpeting." Also what if someone said they
couldn't save you because they simply didn't have the time. This cat that
drowned had nobody around to save her life. Or is there more to this story
than just finding her body in the pool? Regardless, you could save another
life by doing some very simple things like getting a pool cover, keeping the
cats indoors, etc. I can tell by your last posts that even that is too much
for you. Pretty shameful you don't wish to learn from this lesson and
possibly save another life simply because you put more value on the
material. I would think that a life would be priceless but of course some
people such as yourself feel a life does have a price. I hope you will
remember your selfeshness and posts here the next time you need help and
nobody answers your call. Remember, what goes around comes around.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all
of you
> as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
>
> I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a stray.
And
> dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first
came
> she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was
neglected.
> She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my other
cats
> bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the
glass
> trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was
not a
> thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change
that. She
> was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten
outside and
> it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors. It
was
> also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times.
Did I
> need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the
first
> time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I
was
> not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should
have
> told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
> would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above
and
> beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this
cat a
> great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
>
> As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting up
the
> golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to
impress
> their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My
pool
> will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near it.
No
> fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2
months
> of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or
leave the
> pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long
cover.
> Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that
case.
> Not gonna happen.
>
> So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes to
> shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into
taming
> this stray as I did.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 09:32 PM
I didn't have any personal issue with anyone in this thread either but I
can't help but be angry at this poster who valued the pool more than the
poor feline who probably struggled to get out of it but could not. My heart
goes out to this feline.

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"J~" > wrote in message ...
> Let me just say, I have no personal issue with any one in this group, I
> think most of us were just trying to help prevent another accident with
> your pool.
>
> Things happen and you learn and move on from it.... you hope
>
> J~
>
> Tlg064 wrote:
>
> > Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all
of you
> > as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
> >
> > I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a
stray. And
> > dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first
came
> > she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was
neglected.
> > She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my
other cats
> > bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the
glass
> > trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was
not a
> > thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change
that. She
> > was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten
outside and
> > it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors.
It was
> > also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times.
Did I
> > need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the
first
> > time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because
I was
> > not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times.
Should have
> > told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
> > would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went
above and
> > beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this
cat a
> > great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
> >
> > As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting
up the
> > golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to
impress
> > their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My
pool
> > will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near
it. No
> > fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2
months
> > of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or
leave the
> > pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long
cover.
> > Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that
case.
> > Not gonna happen.
> >
> > So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes
to
> > shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into
taming
> > this stray as I did.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 09:32 PM
I didn't have any personal issue with anyone in this thread either but I
can't help but be angry at this poster who valued the pool more than the
poor feline who probably struggled to get out of it but could not. My heart
goes out to this feline.

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"J~" > wrote in message ...
> Let me just say, I have no personal issue with any one in this group, I
> think most of us were just trying to help prevent another accident with
> your pool.
>
> Things happen and you learn and move on from it.... you hope
>
> J~
>
> Tlg064 wrote:
>
> > Ok so EVERYONE here knows all the answers. And yes I am a step below all
of you
> > as I am being referred to as "this human". I am in fact human.
> >
> > I dont ever remember be-littling this cats death beacause it was a
stray. And
> > dont any of you morons tell me I should have kept her in. When she first
came
> > she was quite scared of people. Obviously had been abused and was
neglected.
> > She would "sneak" into the house and steal something to eat from my
other cats
> > bowls and scramble back to the door and practically break through the
glass
> > trying to get back out. She was a streetwise outdoors cat and there was
not a
> > thing I or any of you know-it-all geniuses could have done to change
that. She
> > was scary and vicious. Later she was hell bent on having her kitten
outside and
> > it cost me quite a few scratches to get her to have the litter indoors.
It was
> > also quite a challenge getting her to the vet the first couple of times.
Did I
> > need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out the
first
> > time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because
I was
> > not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times.
Should have
> > told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
> > would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went
above and
> > beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this
cat a
> > great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise.
> >
> > As far as the pool and all your crap about people in Calfornia setting
up the
> > golden gates to access their pools (for the sake of their pets not to
impress
> > their friends) its all fantasy. I had the pool long before the cat. My
pool
> > will remain easily accessible to me and any animals that venture near
it. No
> > fences, clear walls or covers. Here it the northeast USA we only get 2
months
> > of the year to use the pool. I'll be dambed if every time I enter or
leave the
> > pool or anytime I have to work on it I'm going to deal with a 32ft long
cover.
> > Next you will all be telling me that I should take down the pool in that
case.
> > Not gonna happen.
> >
> > So you can claim to be a CatProtector but I'll bet that when push comes
to
> > shove you can talk **** a lot but would not have put the effort into
taming
> > this stray as I did.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 09:42 PM
I live in Arizona where drownings seem to be a regular occurance because
people either fail to cover their pools or don't watch the young ones around
water. I too am upset with OP's attitude after this incident happened. We
all pretty much offered some great tips only to have it flung back at us.
Even if the poster was upset, his true colors seem to come out when he said
the cat was just a stray. Showed that despite a few good deeds how selfish
he really was. What was worse he decided to fling at me that I'd probably do
nothing to rescue this cat. How wrong he is since I am a big cat lover and
have actually gotten involved with helping them. Cat Galaxy and Panther TEK
are proof of that. I am not trying to advertise here but I figured I'd give
two examples so the OP could see that large sneaker or perhaps boot in his
mouth.

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"Karen Chuplis" > wrote in message
...
> If the California and Golden Gates remark was to ME, I had some friends in
> FLORIDA that set up POOL fences and it was simply an offer of advice of
what
> OTHER people I KNOW actual DO to protect pets from the pool. Jeez. I
wasn't
> mad until now, but now I am ****ED that my suggestions are flung back at
me
> like this. I did nothing but offer condolences and try to offer some
advice
> and your flying off the handle at EVERYONE over two other posters is rude
> and insulting to the rest of us. I'm quite certain you feel bad about the
> incident and that is part of this temper tantrum but I read many posts
> offering you REAL advice and we don't deserve this diatribe. Jeez. Try to
be
> helpful and look what you get. All I can say is I hope you do something
and
> it works.
>
> Good bye
>
> Karen
>
>

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 09:42 PM
I live in Arizona where drownings seem to be a regular occurance because
people either fail to cover their pools or don't watch the young ones around
water. I too am upset with OP's attitude after this incident happened. We
all pretty much offered some great tips only to have it flung back at us.
Even if the poster was upset, his true colors seem to come out when he said
the cat was just a stray. Showed that despite a few good deeds how selfish
he really was. What was worse he decided to fling at me that I'd probably do
nothing to rescue this cat. How wrong he is since I am a big cat lover and
have actually gotten involved with helping them. Cat Galaxy and Panther TEK
are proof of that. I am not trying to advertise here but I figured I'd give
two examples so the OP could see that large sneaker or perhaps boot in his
mouth.

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www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

"Karen Chuplis" > wrote in message
...
> If the California and Golden Gates remark was to ME, I had some friends in
> FLORIDA that set up POOL fences and it was simply an offer of advice of
what
> OTHER people I KNOW actual DO to protect pets from the pool. Jeez. I
wasn't
> mad until now, but now I am ****ED that my suggestions are flung back at
me
> like this. I did nothing but offer condolences and try to offer some
advice
> and your flying off the handle at EVERYONE over two other posters is rude
> and insulting to the rest of us. I'm quite certain you feel bad about the
> incident and that is part of this temper tantrum but I read many posts
> offering you REAL advice and we don't deserve this diatribe. Jeez. Try to
be
> helpful and look what you get. All I can say is I hope you do something
and
> it works.
>
> Good bye
>
> Karen
>
>

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 18th 03, 09:59 PM
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Oh and buy the way Rona. Took the day out of work today to give the cat a
> proper burial. Just got done. She will now rest in a beautiful flower bed
that
> she used to sleep in a lot. It is about 8ft from the pool and I went and
bought
> her a solar light to light the spot at nite.
>
> Tom


I've been thinking a lot about what I said, and I just want to apologize for
my tone. I was imagining the fear that cat must have experienced before
drowning, and it hurt. However, I am trying to believe that one should
concentrate on the good rather than the bad, and that one should concentrate
on one's own actions, rather that on the actions of others. Although I do
not agree with your stance on pool safety, if I am concentrating on the
good, I must say thank you for taking care of the cat while she was alive,
and for giving her a proper burial. Not everyone would have done either of
those things, and in fact, many would have done much worse. And while I
wish you would reconsider your position on fencing or otherwise, I cannot
control your actions or decisions so I cannot judge them, either.

rona (with no sarcasm whatsoever)

--
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**** upon your computer."
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 18th 03, 09:59 PM
"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Oh and buy the way Rona. Took the day out of work today to give the cat a
> proper burial. Just got done. She will now rest in a beautiful flower bed
that
> she used to sleep in a lot. It is about 8ft from the pool and I went and
bought
> her a solar light to light the spot at nite.
>
> Tom


I've been thinking a lot about what I said, and I just want to apologize for
my tone. I was imagining the fear that cat must have experienced before
drowning, and it hurt. However, I am trying to believe that one should
concentrate on the good rather than the bad, and that one should concentrate
on one's own actions, rather that on the actions of others. Although I do
not agree with your stance on pool safety, if I am concentrating on the
good, I must say thank you for taking care of the cat while she was alive,
and for giving her a proper burial. Not everyone would have done either of
those things, and in fact, many would have done much worse. And while I
wish you would reconsider your position on fencing or otherwise, I cannot
control your actions or decisions so I cannot judge them, either.

rona (with no sarcasm whatsoever)

--
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and they will
**** upon your computer."
--Bruce Graham

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 10:25 PM
catprotector wrote
>You most certainly did belittle the cat's death by shrugging her off simply
because she was a stray<

I'm sorry. I just looked thru every post made here on this matter and I simply
do not see where I said anything even close to suggesting that this was only a
stray and its no big deal. If someone can find it repost it and throw it in my
face. I feel quite bad about the cat. Bad enough that I did not go to work
today.

>Some people might but you could have taken her to a no-kill facility if she
was that much of a burden to you.<

There we go again. Since the start of this post people have been putting words
in my mouth or judging me without knowing the facts. I looked thru the posts
and cannot find where I ever stated the cat was a burden to me. I am a cat
lover. That is why I have 4 others. Looking across the hallway at this moment
all four are sleeping on my bed three of which are piled up on top of each
other like kittens do. Cant get any happier than that. I would say they are
quite content here.

>This cat that drowned had nobody around to save her life. Or is there more to
this story than just finding her body in the pool?<

No clue what you implying or getting at there. Explain

I apologize To Karen and some of the others and even Rona that I may have
inadvertently lashed out at. It seems that right from the start I was being
made the bad guy from almost the whole group and blamed for the cats death so
in turn I just said what I had to say without really paying attention to who
said what and what their attitude was. I'm still being made out to be the bad
guy. I explained why the cat was not kept indoors and nobody gets it. What was
I supposed to do? Give it tranquilizers to keep it from screaming at the door
so I could sleep at night.

As far as the pool I simply cannot see myself spending thousands to put up
fences and walls around the pool and modifying my deck to accomodate gates.
Even if I did - I have to feel like I'm in jail when I'm in the pool? Now I
know someone out there is gonna throw up the fact that I mentioned money.

Had the cat been younger and not having trouble with her hind legs she probably
never would have fallen into the pool in the first place. Lets face it. The cat
probably had more of a chance of getting killed in my car in an accident on the
way to the vet than it did of drowning in the pool. Should I not have taken her
to the vet to be spayed and such because of that possibility? That is what I
meant by life is full of dangers for both man and beast.

Tom

Tlg064
July 18th 03, 10:25 PM
catprotector wrote
>You most certainly did belittle the cat's death by shrugging her off simply
because she was a stray<

I'm sorry. I just looked thru every post made here on this matter and I simply
do not see where I said anything even close to suggesting that this was only a
stray and its no big deal. If someone can find it repost it and throw it in my
face. I feel quite bad about the cat. Bad enough that I did not go to work
today.

>Some people might but you could have taken her to a no-kill facility if she
was that much of a burden to you.<

There we go again. Since the start of this post people have been putting words
in my mouth or judging me without knowing the facts. I looked thru the posts
and cannot find where I ever stated the cat was a burden to me. I am a cat
lover. That is why I have 4 others. Looking across the hallway at this moment
all four are sleeping on my bed three of which are piled up on top of each
other like kittens do. Cant get any happier than that. I would say they are
quite content here.

>This cat that drowned had nobody around to save her life. Or is there more to
this story than just finding her body in the pool?<

No clue what you implying or getting at there. Explain

I apologize To Karen and some of the others and even Rona that I may have
inadvertently lashed out at. It seems that right from the start I was being
made the bad guy from almost the whole group and blamed for the cats death so
in turn I just said what I had to say without really paying attention to who
said what and what their attitude was. I'm still being made out to be the bad
guy. I explained why the cat was not kept indoors and nobody gets it. What was
I supposed to do? Give it tranquilizers to keep it from screaming at the door
so I could sleep at night.

As far as the pool I simply cannot see myself spending thousands to put up
fences and walls around the pool and modifying my deck to accomodate gates.
Even if I did - I have to feel like I'm in jail when I'm in the pool? Now I
know someone out there is gonna throw up the fact that I mentioned money.

Had the cat been younger and not having trouble with her hind legs she probably
never would have fallen into the pool in the first place. Lets face it. The cat
probably had more of a chance of getting killed in my car in an accident on the
way to the vet than it did of drowning in the pool. Should I not have taken her
to the vet to be spayed and such because of that possibility? That is what I
meant by life is full of dangers for both man and beast.

Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 11:30 PM
Those in denial will often forget what they said. Here is an excerpt from
one of your posts:

" Did I need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out
the first
time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I
was
not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should
have
told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above
and
beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this cat
a
great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise"

Those were your words not ours. In fact you considered her a problem in
almost every one of your posts. You also sought our help and said the
following in your first post.

"She was a stray I took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age
and having a little
trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting to
get out of the pool after she fell in."

If you couldn't bear the thought then, how come you are shrugging things off
now by refusing to do some very simple things to prevent this tragedy from
happening again so you won't have to bear the thought. I felt really bad for
your loss on the first post but then you did an about-face, slammed people
for posting suggestions and then pretty much stated that you don't see much
point in getting a pool cover or even keeping the cats indoors. I have to
wonder how many more incidents such as this drowning will take before you
are awakened?

You ask why you should spend the money to modify the pool for safety? Simply
put, as many of us have tried to repeat to you again and again, so drownings
like this can be prevented in the future. You have a choice. Learn from this
lesson and take precautions now or go through the same thing again where
another life is lost. Surely saving a life is worth the money? Of course
after reading your posts I have doubts you care as much as you keep stating
you do. If you really care, prove us wrong by taking the steps to ensure the
safety of cats everywhere. Be bold enough to say you care.
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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> I'm sorry. I just looked thru every post made here on this matter and I
simply
> do not see where I said anything even close to suggesting that this was
only a
> stray and its no big deal. If someone can find it repost it and throw it
in my
> face. I feel quite bad about the cat. Bad enough that I did not go to
work
> today.
>
> >Some people might but you could have taken her to a no-kill facility if
she
> was that much of a burden to you.<
>
> There we go again. Since the start of this post people have been putting
words
> in my mouth or judging me without knowing the facts. I looked thru the
posts
> and cannot find where I ever stated the cat was a burden to me. I am a cat
> lover. That is why I have 4 others. Looking across the hallway at this
moment
> all four are sleeping on my bed three of which are piled up on top of each
> other like kittens do. Cant get any happier than that. I would say they
are
> quite content here.
>
> >This cat that drowned had nobody around to save her life. Or is there
more to
> this story than just finding her body in the pool?<
>
> No clue what you implying or getting at there. Explain
>
> I apologize To Karen and some of the others and even Rona that I may have
> inadvertently lashed out at. It seems that right from the start I was
being
> made the bad guy from almost the whole group and blamed for the cats
death so
> in turn I just said what I had to say without really paying attention to
who
> said what and what their attitude was. I'm still being made out to be the
bad
> guy. I explained why the cat was not kept indoors and nobody gets it.
What was
> I supposed to do? Give it tranquilizers to keep it from screaming at the
door
> so I could sleep at night.
>
> As far as the pool I simply cannot see myself spending thousands to put up
> fences and walls around the pool and modifying my deck to accomodate
gates.
> Even if I did - I have to feel like I'm in jail when I'm in the pool? Now
I
> know someone out there is gonna throw up the fact that I mentioned money.
>
> Had the cat been younger and not having trouble with her hind legs she
probably
> never would have fallen into the pool in the first place. Lets face it.
The cat
> probably had more of a chance of getting killed in my car in an accident
on the
> way to the vet than it did of drowning in the pool. Should I not have
taken her
> to the vet to be spayed and such because of that possibility? That is what
I
> meant by life is full of dangers for both man and beast.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 18th 03, 11:30 PM
Those in denial will often forget what they said. Here is an excerpt from
one of your posts:

" Did I need all this **** from a stray cat? Maybe when she went back out
the first
time she entered my home I should not have ever let her back in because I
was
not going to fight with her to keep her in the house at all times. Should
have
told her to get lost. Chased her away with a stick. Right? I think most
people
would have in fact turned her away because of her temperment. I went above
and
beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my part gave this cat
a
great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise"

Those were your words not ours. In fact you considered her a problem in
almost every one of your posts. You also sought our help and said the
following in your first post.

"She was a stray I took in 6 or seven years ago and getting up there in age
and having a little
trouble walking. I cant bear the thought of the cat frantically fighting to
get out of the pool after she fell in."

If you couldn't bear the thought then, how come you are shrugging things off
now by refusing to do some very simple things to prevent this tragedy from
happening again so you won't have to bear the thought. I felt really bad for
your loss on the first post but then you did an about-face, slammed people
for posting suggestions and then pretty much stated that you don't see much
point in getting a pool cover or even keeping the cats indoors. I have to
wonder how many more incidents such as this drowning will take before you
are awakened?

You ask why you should spend the money to modify the pool for safety? Simply
put, as many of us have tried to repeat to you again and again, so drownings
like this can be prevented in the future. You have a choice. Learn from this
lesson and take precautions now or go through the same thing again where
another life is lost. Surely saving a life is worth the money? Of course
after reading your posts I have doubts you care as much as you keep stating
you do. If you really care, prove us wrong by taking the steps to ensure the
safety of cats everywhere. Be bold enough to say you care.
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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> I'm sorry. I just looked thru every post made here on this matter and I
simply
> do not see where I said anything even close to suggesting that this was
only a
> stray and its no big deal. If someone can find it repost it and throw it
in my
> face. I feel quite bad about the cat. Bad enough that I did not go to
work
> today.
>
> >Some people might but you could have taken her to a no-kill facility if
she
> was that much of a burden to you.<
>
> There we go again. Since the start of this post people have been putting
words
> in my mouth or judging me without knowing the facts. I looked thru the
posts
> and cannot find where I ever stated the cat was a burden to me. I am a cat
> lover. That is why I have 4 others. Looking across the hallway at this
moment
> all four are sleeping on my bed three of which are piled up on top of each
> other like kittens do. Cant get any happier than that. I would say they
are
> quite content here.
>
> >This cat that drowned had nobody around to save her life. Or is there
more to
> this story than just finding her body in the pool?<
>
> No clue what you implying or getting at there. Explain
>
> I apologize To Karen and some of the others and even Rona that I may have
> inadvertently lashed out at. It seems that right from the start I was
being
> made the bad guy from almost the whole group and blamed for the cats
death so
> in turn I just said what I had to say without really paying attention to
who
> said what and what their attitude was. I'm still being made out to be the
bad
> guy. I explained why the cat was not kept indoors and nobody gets it.
What was
> I supposed to do? Give it tranquilizers to keep it from screaming at the
door
> so I could sleep at night.
>
> As far as the pool I simply cannot see myself spending thousands to put up
> fences and walls around the pool and modifying my deck to accomodate
gates.
> Even if I did - I have to feel like I'm in jail when I'm in the pool? Now
I
> know someone out there is gonna throw up the fact that I mentioned money.
>
> Had the cat been younger and not having trouble with her hind legs she
probably
> never would have fallen into the pool in the first place. Lets face it.
The cat
> probably had more of a chance of getting killed in my car in an accident
on the
> way to the vet than it did of drowning in the pool. Should I not have
taken her
> to the vet to be spayed and such because of that possibility? That is what
I
> meant by life is full of dangers for both man and beast.
>
> Tom

Sherry
July 18th 03, 11:53 PM
>catprotector wrote
>>You most certainly did belittle the cat's death by shrugging her off simply
>because she was a stray<
>
>I'm sorry. I just looked thru every post made here on this matter and I
>simply
>do not see where I said anything even close to suggesting that this was only
>a
>stray and its no big deal. If someone can find it repost it and throw it in
>my
>face. I feel quite bad about the cat. Bad enough that I did not go to work
>today.
>
Ignore CP. He reads the first three lines of a post then starts writing stupid
replies. He appears now to be stuck in a loop posting the same thing multiple
times. If you want to debate the issue, you'll be better served to address
*anybody* else. Else you'll end up banging your head against a wall.

Sherry

Sherry
July 18th 03, 11:53 PM
>catprotector wrote
>>You most certainly did belittle the cat's death by shrugging her off simply
>because she was a stray<
>
>I'm sorry. I just looked thru every post made here on this matter and I
>simply
>do not see where I said anything even close to suggesting that this was only
>a
>stray and its no big deal. If someone can find it repost it and throw it in
>my
>face. I feel quite bad about the cat. Bad enough that I did not go to work
>today.
>
Ignore CP. He reads the first three lines of a post then starts writing stupid
replies. He appears now to be stuck in a loop posting the same thing multiple
times. If you want to debate the issue, you'll be better served to address
*anybody* else. Else you'll end up banging your head against a wall.

Sherry

Arjun Ray
July 19th 03, 12:05 AM
In >,
(Tlg064) wrote:

| No clue what you implying or getting at there. Explain

Please, no.

Discussion or "debate" with Cat Protector is futile. He will ignore
everything and anything you say, and simply carry on with his usual
oblivious holier than thou whining. Rather than set yourself up for
exasperation (or worse), just killfile him.

| I apologize To Karen and some of the others and even Rona that I may
| have inadvertently lashed out at.

I think we can let the matter rest at that.

Arjun Ray
July 19th 03, 12:05 AM
In >,
(Tlg064) wrote:

| No clue what you implying or getting at there. Explain

Please, no.

Discussion or "debate" with Cat Protector is futile. He will ignore
everything and anything you say, and simply carry on with his usual
oblivious holier than thou whining. Rather than set yourself up for
exasperation (or worse), just killfile him.

| I apologize To Karen and some of the others and even Rona that I may
| have inadvertently lashed out at.

I think we can let the matter rest at that.

Tlg064
July 19th 03, 12:23 AM
Well cat protector. Clearly you do not understand what you read. The response
of mine you quoted was in response to why I was letting the cat out which I
think I explained quite clearly. Did I need That **** from a stray cat? No. I
did not even ask for the cat. It would seem though that in your eyes I am a
monster and should have turned the cat away. But I did not. I went the distance
in her best interest and because I love cats.Now go back and read what I said
over and over untill you understand it. Read between the lines till you
comprehend it.

Maybe this will help

When the cat came in my yard it was clear that she needed a home and I could
see that she was pregnant. I made up my mind that I would do whatever it takes
to make sure there was not a homeless litter of kittens born in the wild. But I
simply could not control her desire to go out. I did the best I could. Turns
out she was carrying only one kitten which I kept and she loves it here.

Instead of making multiple posts I will say "Thank You Matt"!!! At least
someones here does not think I am a Monster. It would also seem that other
posters, Sherry and arjun , who is probably more familiar with the group does
not think to highly of you.

Whats your name anyway? It seems your posts simply end with some product or
service that you are pushing. Is that the reason you post so much - to
advertise. Im not biting

Tom

Tlg064
July 19th 03, 12:23 AM
Well cat protector. Clearly you do not understand what you read. The response
of mine you quoted was in response to why I was letting the cat out which I
think I explained quite clearly. Did I need That **** from a stray cat? No. I
did not even ask for the cat. It would seem though that in your eyes I am a
monster and should have turned the cat away. But I did not. I went the distance
in her best interest and because I love cats.Now go back and read what I said
over and over untill you understand it. Read between the lines till you
comprehend it.

Maybe this will help

When the cat came in my yard it was clear that she needed a home and I could
see that she was pregnant. I made up my mind that I would do whatever it takes
to make sure there was not a homeless litter of kittens born in the wild. But I
simply could not control her desire to go out. I did the best I could. Turns
out she was carrying only one kitten which I kept and she loves it here.

Instead of making multiple posts I will say "Thank You Matt"!!! At least
someones here does not think I am a Monster. It would also seem that other
posters, Sherry and arjun , who is probably more familiar with the group does
not think to highly of you.

Whats your name anyway? It seems your posts simply end with some product or
service that you are pushing. Is that the reason you post so much - to
advertise. Im not biting

Tom

Cheryl
July 19th 03, 01:02 AM
"k" > wrote in message
om...

> So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> what medication was prescribed?

In case you missed it, the cat died.

Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.

Cheryl
July 19th 03, 01:02 AM
"k" > wrote in message
om...

> So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> what medication was prescribed?

In case you missed it, the cat died.

Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 19th 03, 01:14 AM
"Arjun Ray" > wrote in message
...
> In >,
>
> I think we can let the matter rest at that.
>

Agreed. I have already apologized once for my comments, and I would like to
apologize again. Had I not said what I did to begin with, all this
name-calling and such would probably not gone on as it has.

I really do believe that Tom is the only person who can judge himself in
this matter. If he feels he did the best he could, and is doing the best he
can, then so be it. I would like to think that we all have the best
intentions in mind for our pets. There may be differences amongst us in
regards to what that "best" is, but we can't all be exactly alike or think
exactly the same way. What a boring world this would be if that were the
case!

rona

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
July 19th 03, 01:14 AM
"Arjun Ray" > wrote in message
...
> In >,
>
> I think we can let the matter rest at that.
>

Agreed. I have already apologized once for my comments, and I would like to
apologize again. Had I not said what I did to begin with, all this
name-calling and such would probably not gone on as it has.

I really do believe that Tom is the only person who can judge himself in
this matter. If he feels he did the best he could, and is doing the best he
can, then so be it. I would like to think that we all have the best
intentions in mind for our pets. There may be differences amongst us in
regards to what that "best" is, but we can't all be exactly alike or think
exactly the same way. What a boring world this would be if that were the
case!

rona

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 01:27 AM
Rona,

I don't think you really have anything apologize for anything here.

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"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...

> Agreed. I have already apologized once for my comments, and I would like
to
> apologize again. Had I not said what I did to begin with, all this
> name-calling and such would probably not gone on as it has.
>
> I really do believe that Tom is the only person who can judge himself in
> this matter. If he feels he did the best he could, and is doing the best
he
> can, then so be it. I would like to think that we all have the best
> intentions in mind for our pets. There may be differences amongst us in
> regards to what that "best" is, but we can't all be exactly alike or think
> exactly the same way. What a boring world this would be if that were the
> case!
>
> rona
>
>

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 01:27 AM
Rona,

I don't think you really have anything apologize for anything here.

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"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...

> Agreed. I have already apologized once for my comments, and I would like
to
> apologize again. Had I not said what I did to begin with, all this
> name-calling and such would probably not gone on as it has.
>
> I really do believe that Tom is the only person who can judge himself in
> this matter. If he feels he did the best he could, and is doing the best
he
> can, then so be it. I would like to think that we all have the best
> intentions in mind for our pets. There may be differences amongst us in
> regards to what that "best" is, but we can't all be exactly alike or think
> exactly the same way. What a boring world this would be if that were the
> case!
>
> rona
>
>

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 01:34 AM
I think with this person you may be wasting their breath. The OP seems to
not want to learn from this tragedy. You have a valid point with the solid
object. Most will not work and an animal struggling is most likely to not
even reach the object unless it is front of them. The OP seems to think it
is too much trouble to prevent another tragedy. This person is only doing
what is convenient for him by doing absolutely nothing. I have to wonder how
many more lives he is willing to risk before the lesson is learned? I would
think one time would be enough for most people. It certainly would be for
me.

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> Then what did the vet say?
> That is not at all normal for a cat of that age.
>
>
> Most of the suggestions for objects in the pool won't work.
> A cat is in a panic under those circumstances. It would have
> to be a very large, stable, object, which you are unlikely
> to provide, as you referred to some suggestion as "not too much
> trouble, not in the way too much". When/if it happened, the
> cat would have to "happen" onto the object.
>
> The pool should be fenced. For animals, for children.
> People who don't do so find themselves buried in lawsuits
> when the unimagined happens -- a drown kid. A fenced yard
> can definitely be deemed insufficient.
>
>
> Cats aren't known for their aquatic abilities.
> More likely to drown, than "swim". That's pretty basic.
> If I had a cat, and a pool, and saw it drinking from the pool,
> I would immediately worry about what would happen should the
> cat fall in.
>
>
> When you say things like "that's too much trouble" and
> "oh, well, the other cat will just have to take its chances"
> you shouldn't be so surprised when people lean on you a bit.
> They can easily picture the panic that cat felt in the situation
> that led to it's death.
>
> Then there's the callin people "morons", as well as the other
> pointless 4 letter words. Doesn't matter what the situation is, a
> normal well-balanced adult doesn't do that. You didn't use
> reasonable sense in advance of the incident, and you aren't willing
> to do anything about the situation, preferring to just let another
> animal drown if it happens. Rather than take responsibility you've
> gone out on a very juvenile limb trying to justify your position,
> and childishly struck out at others.
>
>
> So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> what medication was prescribed?

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 01:34 AM
I think with this person you may be wasting their breath. The OP seems to
not want to learn from this tragedy. You have a valid point with the solid
object. Most will not work and an animal struggling is most likely to not
even reach the object unless it is front of them. The OP seems to think it
is too much trouble to prevent another tragedy. This person is only doing
what is convenient for him by doing absolutely nothing. I have to wonder how
many more lives he is willing to risk before the lesson is learned? I would
think one time would be enough for most people. It certainly would be for
me.

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> Then what did the vet say?
> That is not at all normal for a cat of that age.
>
>
> Most of the suggestions for objects in the pool won't work.
> A cat is in a panic under those circumstances. It would have
> to be a very large, stable, object, which you are unlikely
> to provide, as you referred to some suggestion as "not too much
> trouble, not in the way too much". When/if it happened, the
> cat would have to "happen" onto the object.
>
> The pool should be fenced. For animals, for children.
> People who don't do so find themselves buried in lawsuits
> when the unimagined happens -- a drown kid. A fenced yard
> can definitely be deemed insufficient.
>
>
> Cats aren't known for their aquatic abilities.
> More likely to drown, than "swim". That's pretty basic.
> If I had a cat, and a pool, and saw it drinking from the pool,
> I would immediately worry about what would happen should the
> cat fall in.
>
>
> When you say things like "that's too much trouble" and
> "oh, well, the other cat will just have to take its chances"
> you shouldn't be so surprised when people lean on you a bit.
> They can easily picture the panic that cat felt in the situation
> that led to it's death.
>
> Then there's the callin people "morons", as well as the other
> pointless 4 letter words. Doesn't matter what the situation is, a
> normal well-balanced adult doesn't do that. You didn't use
> reasonable sense in advance of the incident, and you aren't willing
> to do anything about the situation, preferring to just let another
> animal drown if it happens. Rather than take responsibility you've
> gone out on a very juvenile limb trying to justify your position,
> and childishly struck out at others.
>
>
> So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> what medication was prescribed?

Sherry
July 19th 03, 01:35 AM
>So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
>what medication was prescribed?

OrangeFluffy, what difference does it make? The cat is dead. Unless you want to
continue crucifying the OP, it's totally irrelevent.

Sherry

Sherry
July 19th 03, 01:35 AM
>So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
>what medication was prescribed?

OrangeFluffy, what difference does it make? The cat is dead. Unless you want to
continue crucifying the OP, it's totally irrelevent.

Sherry

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 01:38 AM
Actually I don't think it was useless subject at all. In fact, I am going to
do another PSA so others can be reached and hopefully prevent this situation
from happening elsewhere. Most messages ask that human children be watched
around water, I feel it can be adapted for cats. Of course the message might
be wasted on some like the OP who feel it is no big deal and a complete
waste of time to save a life.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> In case you missed it, the cat died.
>
> Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
> died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
> but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
> thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
> threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
> others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
> people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
> will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
> the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
> or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
> choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
> play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.
>
>

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 01:38 AM
Actually I don't think it was useless subject at all. In fact, I am going to
do another PSA so others can be reached and hopefully prevent this situation
from happening elsewhere. Most messages ask that human children be watched
around water, I feel it can be adapted for cats. Of course the message might
be wasted on some like the OP who feel it is no big deal and a complete
waste of time to save a life.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> In case you missed it, the cat died.
>
> Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
> died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
> but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
> thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
> threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
> others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
> people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
> will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
> the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
> or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
> choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
> play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.
>
>

Sherry
July 19th 03, 01:40 AM
>Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
>died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
>but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
>thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
>threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
>others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
>people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
>will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
>the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
>or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
>choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
>play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.
>

I posted before I read this one. But I agree completely. Cats drown all the
time, BTW. In the shelter environment I hear stories from people with indoor
cats, outdoor cats, barn cats. Most often barn cats in stock tanks. The only
defense is to keep the tank completely full; the cat can't claw its way out if
the water level is low. And even more importantly, provide fresh water at all
times so the cat isn't as tempted to drink from it. I don't know what the
answer is with a swimming pool. But I know it was a tragic accident.

Sherry

Sherry
July 19th 03, 01:40 AM
>Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
>died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
>but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
>thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
>threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
>others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
>people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
>will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
>the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
>or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
>choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
>play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.
>

I posted before I read this one. But I agree completely. Cats drown all the
time, BTW. In the shelter environment I hear stories from people with indoor
cats, outdoor cats, barn cats. Most often barn cats in stock tanks. The only
defense is to keep the tank completely full; the cat can't claw its way out if
the water level is low. And even more importantly, provide fresh water at all
times so the cat isn't as tempted to drink from it. I don't know what the
answer is with a swimming pool. But I know it was a tragic accident.

Sherry

Cheryl
July 19th 03, 01:45 AM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Actually I don't think it was useless subject at all.

Again you didn't read something posted. I didn't say it was a useless
subject I said it had lost it's usefulness. Once again you look like
the moron that you are. Do yourself a favor and learn to read, read
the entire post and count to ten before you hit "send". Oh wait, this
was beyond the second sentence so you probably didn't read it. Fjck,
you're an idiot.

Cheryl
July 19th 03, 01:45 AM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Actually I don't think it was useless subject at all.

Again you didn't read something posted. I didn't say it was a useless
subject I said it had lost it's usefulness. Once again you look like
the moron that you are. Do yourself a favor and learn to read, read
the entire post and count to ten before you hit "send". Oh wait, this
was beyond the second sentence so you probably didn't read it. Fjck,
you're an idiot.

Arjun Ray
July 19th 03, 02:00 AM
In >, "Cheryl" > wrote:
| "Cat Protector" > wrote in message
| news:[email protected]

|> Actually I don't think it was useless subject at all.
|
| Again you didn't read something posted.

There's a paradox in asking CP, "can you read for comprehension?" ;-)

| Oh wait, this was beyond the second sentence so you probably didn't
| read it. Fjck, you're an idiot.

Let's hope Tom Tlg064 gets the picture and ignores CP's latest mindless
provocations.

Arjun Ray
July 19th 03, 02:00 AM
In >, "Cheryl" > wrote:
| "Cat Protector" > wrote in message
| news:[email protected]

|> Actually I don't think it was useless subject at all.
|
| Again you didn't read something posted.

There's a paradox in asking CP, "can you read for comprehension?" ;-)

| Oh wait, this was beyond the second sentence so you probably didn't
| read it. Fjck, you're an idiot.

Let's hope Tom Tlg064 gets the picture and ignores CP's latest mindless
provocations.

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 02:04 AM
Apparently she did say usefulness. But of course even seeing my mistake,
there really is no call for name calling like she did after my last post.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> "k" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> > what medication was prescribed?
>
> In case you missed it, the cat died.
>
> Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
> died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
> but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
> thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
> threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
> others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
> people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
> will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
> the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
> or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
> choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
> play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.
>
>

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 02:04 AM
Apparently she did say usefulness. But of course even seeing my mistake,
there really is no call for name calling like she did after my last post.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> "k" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> > So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> > what medication was prescribed?
>
> In case you missed it, the cat died.
>
> Alright, so some feel the need to keep harping on the fact that a cat
> died. Yes, it is sad. It is also sad when a cat gets hit by a car
> but I don't see you guys going on and on about what that cat was
> thinking when it was laying on the side of the road dying. These
> threads always seem to go on to oblivion and some posters more than
> others. This thread has lost its usefulness on me and probably other
> people, too so it's time for it to be plonked. I see some posters who
> will be, too. Life is too short to keep reading the same **** from
> the same people over and over again. In fact, whenever I see "died"
> or "dead" or anything like it in the subject, I am exercising my
> choice to ignore it. You guys go ahead and exercise your choice to
> play high and mighty. It's getting old. Fast.
>
>

Cheryl
July 19th 03, 02:10 AM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> BTW, why do you have to resort to name calling
> over one little mistake.

HELLO? One?

Cheryl
July 19th 03, 02:10 AM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> BTW, why do you have to resort to name calling
> over one little mistake.

HELLO? One?

July 19th 03, 02:23 AM
Cat Protector > wrote:
>
> Those were your words not ours. In fact you considered her a problem in
> almost every one of your posts. You also sought our help and said the
> following in your first post.

Some one needs to learn how to read sarcasm. I mean I've been accused of
taking things too literally and totally missing the sarcasm many times and
even I could see those words dripped with sarcasm.

Alice

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July 19th 03, 02:23 AM
Cat Protector > wrote:
>
> Those were your words not ours. In fact you considered her a problem in
> almost every one of your posts. You also sought our help and said the
> following in your first post.

Some one needs to learn how to read sarcasm. I mean I've been accused of
taking things too literally and totally missing the sarcasm many times and
even I could see those words dripped with sarcasm.

Alice

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MacCandace
July 19th 03, 04:47 AM
<< I went above and beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my
part gave this cat a
great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise. >>

I think it's very sad that the poor kitty drowned and, yes, I agree it's safer
(in the US anyway) for cats to be indoors only...but I also have a stray cat
situation (in addition to my indoor cats) usually and I generally wind up
leaving most of them as outdoor cats with good care otherwise and, sadly,
eventually something seems to happen to most of them. Something bad. Not
drowning but dogs, cars, etc. Therefore, I will not judge the OP. Let's face
it, the world is full of unwanted cats, unfortunately, and even a cat who has a
decent outdoor home with food, vet care, and love is better off than the
majority of poor, unwanted cats. Maybe not the ideal life but better than
homelessness, starvation, rampant disease, immediate death, etc. And most of
them live a fine life until the unspeakable occurs. **** happens, sadly.
Everyone can only do the best they can do and maybe he cannot take an infinite
number of cats inside, for whatever reasons. I don't feel I can either but the
strays keep showing up.

All this being said...I live in AZ where there are a ton of pools and I don't
personally know of any cats who drowned in these pools. One of my friends had
her elderly dog die in her pool and that was horrible but she had someone
babysitting the dog while she was on vacation and they, obviously, were not
attentive enough. It made me really sad that Skeeter died in this way but most
deaths are sad and some are worse than others.

But what I was going to say, was that no one I know of has a pool cover...other
than a boyfriend I had back in the 80s. He had one for the cleanliness issue
and the thing was a pain in the ass. It also had some safety issues itself.
One of the warnings was that if someone or something managed to fall into the
pool along the edges (which is where you'd fall in if you were falling in,
obviously), they could easily become trapped under the cover and not be able to
get out. As long as you fell on top of the cover, you were okay, it would
support your weight, but if you slipped in underneath the edges, you were a
goner. Maybe the covers have changed in the last 20 years but that thing gave
me the creeps. He had an elderly mom living with him at the time who was
unsteady on her feet, at times, and I had visions that she would take a tumble
in there and get caught underneath. She didn't but I don't think they're a
sure thing in preventing tragedies. And they are definitely a hassle.

Now there are rodents, birds, lizards, other small animals that drown in these
pools and that is sad, too, so technically no one should have a pool. I don't,
but I can see where people would like to have one and for them to all have
covers so that a mouse doesn't fall in every few years seems impractical.
Especially in AZ, where you could use them everyday of the year. It seems more
like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak accident and who can account
for every unusual thing that can occur? He could have had a pool cover and the
cat could have drowned in the toilet instead or hung itself on the venetian
blind cord or any number of wierd things not thought of. I think we should
just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be thankful that the cat did have some
happy times and love in her life prior to her untimely demise.

Rest in peace, kitty.


Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

MacCandace
July 19th 03, 04:47 AM
<< I went above and beyond the call of duty and with grueling patience on my
part gave this cat a
great life. Much better than she would have had otherwise. >>

I think it's very sad that the poor kitty drowned and, yes, I agree it's safer
(in the US anyway) for cats to be indoors only...but I also have a stray cat
situation (in addition to my indoor cats) usually and I generally wind up
leaving most of them as outdoor cats with good care otherwise and, sadly,
eventually something seems to happen to most of them. Something bad. Not
drowning but dogs, cars, etc. Therefore, I will not judge the OP. Let's face
it, the world is full of unwanted cats, unfortunately, and even a cat who has a
decent outdoor home with food, vet care, and love is better off than the
majority of poor, unwanted cats. Maybe not the ideal life but better than
homelessness, starvation, rampant disease, immediate death, etc. And most of
them live a fine life until the unspeakable occurs. **** happens, sadly.
Everyone can only do the best they can do and maybe he cannot take an infinite
number of cats inside, for whatever reasons. I don't feel I can either but the
strays keep showing up.

All this being said...I live in AZ where there are a ton of pools and I don't
personally know of any cats who drowned in these pools. One of my friends had
her elderly dog die in her pool and that was horrible but she had someone
babysitting the dog while she was on vacation and they, obviously, were not
attentive enough. It made me really sad that Skeeter died in this way but most
deaths are sad and some are worse than others.

But what I was going to say, was that no one I know of has a pool cover...other
than a boyfriend I had back in the 80s. He had one for the cleanliness issue
and the thing was a pain in the ass. It also had some safety issues itself.
One of the warnings was that if someone or something managed to fall into the
pool along the edges (which is where you'd fall in if you were falling in,
obviously), they could easily become trapped under the cover and not be able to
get out. As long as you fell on top of the cover, you were okay, it would
support your weight, but if you slipped in underneath the edges, you were a
goner. Maybe the covers have changed in the last 20 years but that thing gave
me the creeps. He had an elderly mom living with him at the time who was
unsteady on her feet, at times, and I had visions that she would take a tumble
in there and get caught underneath. She didn't but I don't think they're a
sure thing in preventing tragedies. And they are definitely a hassle.

Now there are rodents, birds, lizards, other small animals that drown in these
pools and that is sad, too, so technically no one should have a pool. I don't,
but I can see where people would like to have one and for them to all have
covers so that a mouse doesn't fall in every few years seems impractical.
Especially in AZ, where you could use them everyday of the year. It seems more
like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak accident and who can account
for every unusual thing that can occur? He could have had a pool cover and the
cat could have drowned in the toilet instead or hung itself on the venetian
blind cord or any number of wierd things not thought of. I think we should
just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be thankful that the cat did have some
happy times and love in her life prior to her untimely demise.

Rest in peace, kitty.


Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 07:35 AM
Well at least you know how to count.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...

> HELLO? One?
>
>

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 07:35 AM
Well at least you know how to count.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...

> HELLO? One?
>
>

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 07:41 AM
Candace I felt bad for the OP on the very first post but when we made
suggestions on taking precautions to prevent this from happening again he
lashed out at all of us and then proceeded to state the reasons why he won't
use any of the suggestions like it being to restrictive or simply didn't
want to take the time. I feel really bad the cat died in this manner.
However, another life can be saved just by keeping cats indoors or
supervising them closely if they have to go outside. I have pretty much said
all I can say on this topic because it is obvious to me that the OP does not
want to hear any of our suggestions even though they asked for our advice in
the first post.

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"MacCandace" > wrote in message
...

> I think it's very sad that the poor kitty drowned and, yes, I agree it's
safer
> (in the US anyway) for cats to be indoors only...but I also have a stray
cat
> situation (in addition to my indoor cats) usually and I generally wind up
> leaving most of them as outdoor cats with good care otherwise and, sadly,
> eventually something seems to happen to most of them. Something bad. Not
> drowning but dogs, cars, etc. Therefore, I will not judge the OP. Let's
face
> it, the world is full of unwanted cats, unfortunately, and even a cat who
has a
> decent outdoor home with food, vet care, and love is better off than the
> majority of poor, unwanted cats. Maybe not the ideal life but better than
> homelessness, starvation, rampant disease, immediate death, etc. And most
of
> them live a fine life until the unspeakable occurs. **** happens, sadly.
> Everyone can only do the best they can do and maybe he cannot take an
infinite
> number of cats inside, for whatever reasons. I don't feel I can either
but the
> strays keep showing up.
>
> All this being said...I live in AZ where there are a ton of pools and I
don't
> personally know of any cats who drowned in these pools. One of my friends
had
> her elderly dog die in her pool and that was horrible but she had someone
> babysitting the dog while she was on vacation and they, obviously, were
not
> attentive enough. It made me really sad that Skeeter died in this way but
most
> deaths are sad and some are worse than others.
>
> But what I was going to say, was that no one I know of has a pool
cover...other
> than a boyfriend I had back in the 80s. He had one for the cleanliness
issue
> and the thing was a pain in the ass. It also had some safety issues
itself.
> One of the warnings was that if someone or something managed to fall into
the
> pool along the edges (which is where you'd fall in if you were falling in,
> obviously), they could easily become trapped under the cover and not be
able to
> get out. As long as you fell on top of the cover, you were okay, it would
> support your weight, but if you slipped in underneath the edges, you were
a
> goner. Maybe the covers have changed in the last 20 years but that thing
gave
> me the creeps. He had an elderly mom living with him at the time who was
> unsteady on her feet, at times, and I had visions that she would take a
tumble
> in there and get caught underneath. She didn't but I don't think they're
a
> sure thing in preventing tragedies. And they are definitely a hassle.
>
> Now there are rodents, birds, lizards, other small animals that drown in
these
> pools and that is sad, too, so technically no one should have a pool. I
don't,
> but I can see where people would like to have one and for them to all have
> covers so that a mouse doesn't fall in every few years seems impractical.
> Especially in AZ, where you could use them everyday of the year. It seems
more
> like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak accident and who can
account
> for every unusual thing that can occur? He could have had a pool cover
and the
> cat could have drowned in the toilet instead or hung itself on the
venetian
> blind cord or any number of wierd things not thought of. I think we
should
> just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be thankful that the cat did have
some
> happy times and love in her life prior to her untimely demise.
>
> Rest in peace, kitty.
>
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
>
> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Cat Protector
July 19th 03, 07:41 AM
Candace I felt bad for the OP on the very first post but when we made
suggestions on taking precautions to prevent this from happening again he
lashed out at all of us and then proceeded to state the reasons why he won't
use any of the suggestions like it being to restrictive or simply didn't
want to take the time. I feel really bad the cat died in this manner.
However, another life can be saved just by keeping cats indoors or
supervising them closely if they have to go outside. I have pretty much said
all I can say on this topic because it is obvious to me that the OP does not
want to hear any of our suggestions even though they asked for our advice in
the first post.

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"MacCandace" > wrote in message
...

> I think it's very sad that the poor kitty drowned and, yes, I agree it's
safer
> (in the US anyway) for cats to be indoors only...but I also have a stray
cat
> situation (in addition to my indoor cats) usually and I generally wind up
> leaving most of them as outdoor cats with good care otherwise and, sadly,
> eventually something seems to happen to most of them. Something bad. Not
> drowning but dogs, cars, etc. Therefore, I will not judge the OP. Let's
face
> it, the world is full of unwanted cats, unfortunately, and even a cat who
has a
> decent outdoor home with food, vet care, and love is better off than the
> majority of poor, unwanted cats. Maybe not the ideal life but better than
> homelessness, starvation, rampant disease, immediate death, etc. And most
of
> them live a fine life until the unspeakable occurs. **** happens, sadly.
> Everyone can only do the best they can do and maybe he cannot take an
infinite
> number of cats inside, for whatever reasons. I don't feel I can either
but the
> strays keep showing up.
>
> All this being said...I live in AZ where there are a ton of pools and I
don't
> personally know of any cats who drowned in these pools. One of my friends
had
> her elderly dog die in her pool and that was horrible but she had someone
> babysitting the dog while she was on vacation and they, obviously, were
not
> attentive enough. It made me really sad that Skeeter died in this way but
most
> deaths are sad and some are worse than others.
>
> But what I was going to say, was that no one I know of has a pool
cover...other
> than a boyfriend I had back in the 80s. He had one for the cleanliness
issue
> and the thing was a pain in the ass. It also had some safety issues
itself.
> One of the warnings was that if someone or something managed to fall into
the
> pool along the edges (which is where you'd fall in if you were falling in,
> obviously), they could easily become trapped under the cover and not be
able to
> get out. As long as you fell on top of the cover, you were okay, it would
> support your weight, but if you slipped in underneath the edges, you were
a
> goner. Maybe the covers have changed in the last 20 years but that thing
gave
> me the creeps. He had an elderly mom living with him at the time who was
> unsteady on her feet, at times, and I had visions that she would take a
tumble
> in there and get caught underneath. She didn't but I don't think they're
a
> sure thing in preventing tragedies. And they are definitely a hassle.
>
> Now there are rodents, birds, lizards, other small animals that drown in
these
> pools and that is sad, too, so technically no one should have a pool. I
don't,
> but I can see where people would like to have one and for them to all have
> covers so that a mouse doesn't fall in every few years seems impractical.
> Especially in AZ, where you could use them everyday of the year. It seems
more
> like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak accident and who can
account
> for every unusual thing that can occur? He could have had a pool cover
and the
> cat could have drowned in the toilet instead or hung itself on the
venetian
> blind cord or any number of wierd things not thought of. I think we
should
> just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be thankful that the cat did have
some
> happy times and love in her life prior to her untimely demise.
>
> Rest in peace, kitty.
>
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
>
> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Sandra Loosemore
July 19th 03, 02:11 PM
(MacCandace) writes:

> It seems more like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak
> accident and who can account for every unusual thing that can occur?
> [...] I think we should just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be
> thankful that the cat did have some happy times and love in her life
> prior to her untimely demise.

This is what I think, too, and I'm pretty horrified that people have
responded so viciously to the OP. It seems like some folks, in their
sentimental zeal as cat-lovers, have forgotten that there's a human
being involved, too -- and one who is dealing with the emotional
trauma of the death of a pet.

-Sandra

Sandra Loosemore
July 19th 03, 02:11 PM
(MacCandace) writes:

> It seems more like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak
> accident and who can account for every unusual thing that can occur?
> [...] I think we should just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be
> thankful that the cat did have some happy times and love in her life
> prior to her untimely demise.

This is what I think, too, and I'm pretty horrified that people have
responded so viciously to the OP. It seems like some folks, in their
sentimental zeal as cat-lovers, have forgotten that there's a human
being involved, too -- and one who is dealing with the emotional
trauma of the death of a pet.

-Sandra

Tlg064
July 19th 03, 06:50 PM
Well I said my apologies about lashing out at the group as a whole rather than
directly at the few trouble makers. I think CatProtector likes to twist things
around and escalate things for the sole pupose of making as many posts as
possible to promote his Panther TEK whatever it is. I also want to thank
everyone who responded with kind good advice.

I want to clarify a few things. Someone out there said something along the
lines that this cats walking problems were not normal for such a young cat.
This was not a young cat. I mistakingly said I had the cat about six years. It
was more like eight according to my other half. She was probably about 4 years
old when she came to me putting her at at least 12 years old now. Also this
cat did not live outdoors exclusivly. Over the years she slowly began spending
some time indoors especially in winter.

On to the pool issue. When I first got my pool it came with a fence that went
all around the pool and access to the pool was thru a locking folding ladder. I
did not install those items and threw them out. These are typical of what comes
with pool and can keep a child out but not a small pet. The fencing had large
spaces between the bars. So it would seem to me that closing in a pool to keep
a cat out would be an expensive custom job. I dont think they even sell pet
proof fencing that is designed to be installed on a pool. I get a lot of pool
catalogs sent to me in the mail and have never noticed anything like that on
the pools shown.

Now I know I'm going to get some grief for saying this but I think there is
very little probability of a healthy cat falling into a pool. Cats are not
clumsy like dogs. The are quite agile and graceful plus they hate water so I
would think they are very careful approaching the pool. On top of that I think
my present cat that drinks out of the pool would be quite capable of getting
herself out of the pool as a few other posters have mentioned theirs cats can
or have. She is slim, sleek and strong. All black and strongly resembles a
muscular panther with powerful legs. Now my only mistake here was not realizing
the possibility of the elder weakened cat with shaky hind legs being more
likely to fall in. And for the same reasons she had little chance of saving
herself.

The only time the cat goes dangerously close to the pool is to get a drink. Why
they drink out of the pool when they have a water bowl I dont know. In order to
drink from the pool she crouches next to the edge, folds her front paws around
the top metal ledge of the pool and stretches her neck to reach the water which
is about 4 inches below. In the process she ends up kind of leaning into the
pool. I watched her do it today and she seems quite cautious but well
practiced. I am going to make a 4 ft long by 1 ft wide platform that will sit
just above the water level. Using this she will be able to step onto it to
drink without leaning over the water and should she ever fall in this may make
escaping much easier for her as I will cover it with something she can stick
her claws into.

There is only so much one can do about these things. Wether its a child or a
pet you could probably come up with hundreds of "what if" scenarios.

Tom

Tlg064
July 19th 03, 06:50 PM
Well I said my apologies about lashing out at the group as a whole rather than
directly at the few trouble makers. I think CatProtector likes to twist things
around and escalate things for the sole pupose of making as many posts as
possible to promote his Panther TEK whatever it is. I also want to thank
everyone who responded with kind good advice.

I want to clarify a few things. Someone out there said something along the
lines that this cats walking problems were not normal for such a young cat.
This was not a young cat. I mistakingly said I had the cat about six years. It
was more like eight according to my other half. She was probably about 4 years
old when she came to me putting her at at least 12 years old now. Also this
cat did not live outdoors exclusivly. Over the years she slowly began spending
some time indoors especially in winter.

On to the pool issue. When I first got my pool it came with a fence that went
all around the pool and access to the pool was thru a locking folding ladder. I
did not install those items and threw them out. These are typical of what comes
with pool and can keep a child out but not a small pet. The fencing had large
spaces between the bars. So it would seem to me that closing in a pool to keep
a cat out would be an expensive custom job. I dont think they even sell pet
proof fencing that is designed to be installed on a pool. I get a lot of pool
catalogs sent to me in the mail and have never noticed anything like that on
the pools shown.

Now I know I'm going to get some grief for saying this but I think there is
very little probability of a healthy cat falling into a pool. Cats are not
clumsy like dogs. The are quite agile and graceful plus they hate water so I
would think they are very careful approaching the pool. On top of that I think
my present cat that drinks out of the pool would be quite capable of getting
herself out of the pool as a few other posters have mentioned theirs cats can
or have. She is slim, sleek and strong. All black and strongly resembles a
muscular panther with powerful legs. Now my only mistake here was not realizing
the possibility of the elder weakened cat with shaky hind legs being more
likely to fall in. And for the same reasons she had little chance of saving
herself.

The only time the cat goes dangerously close to the pool is to get a drink. Why
they drink out of the pool when they have a water bowl I dont know. In order to
drink from the pool she crouches next to the edge, folds her front paws around
the top metal ledge of the pool and stretches her neck to reach the water which
is about 4 inches below. In the process she ends up kind of leaning into the
pool. I watched her do it today and she seems quite cautious but well
practiced. I am going to make a 4 ft long by 1 ft wide platform that will sit
just above the water level. Using this she will be able to step onto it to
drink without leaning over the water and should she ever fall in this may make
escaping much easier for her as I will cover it with something she can stick
her claws into.

There is only so much one can do about these things. Wether its a child or a
pet you could probably come up with hundreds of "what if" scenarios.

Tom

Karen M.
July 19th 03, 07:20 PM
Sherry wrote:
<snip>
> I posted before I read this one. But I agree completely. Cats drown all the
> time, BTW. In the shelter environment I hear stories from people with indoor
> cats, outdoor cats, barn cats. Most often barn cats in stock tanks. The only
> defense is to keep the tank completely full; the cat can't claw its way out if
> the water level is low. And even more importantly, provide fresh water at all
> times so the cat isn't as tempted to drink from it.


Unfortunately, growing up on a farm, this happened more than once to our
cats (one being a mentally retarded kitten I named Winky). Water all
over the place and the cats had to drink from cow saliva-ed stock tanks!
We put floating boards in there but, as one poster pointed out earlier,
cats panic.

I think the problem is that the OP, being upset, got a couple of harsh
emails and lashed out. He apologized. I think he'll enact some of the
measures suggested. People should just let it go.

BTW Sherry, I'm sorry about your cat. :(

Karen

Karen M.
July 19th 03, 07:20 PM
Sherry wrote:
<snip>
> I posted before I read this one. But I agree completely. Cats drown all the
> time, BTW. In the shelter environment I hear stories from people with indoor
> cats, outdoor cats, barn cats. Most often barn cats in stock tanks. The only
> defense is to keep the tank completely full; the cat can't claw its way out if
> the water level is low. And even more importantly, provide fresh water at all
> times so the cat isn't as tempted to drink from it.


Unfortunately, growing up on a farm, this happened more than once to our
cats (one being a mentally retarded kitten I named Winky). Water all
over the place and the cats had to drink from cow saliva-ed stock tanks!
We put floating boards in there but, as one poster pointed out earlier,
cats panic.

I think the problem is that the OP, being upset, got a couple of harsh
emails and lashed out. He apologized. I think he'll enact some of the
measures suggested. People should just let it go.

BTW Sherry, I'm sorry about your cat. :(

Karen

Tlg064
July 19th 03, 09:55 PM
Ok Protector. This will be the last time I respond to you. Its getting old and
you need everything spelled out for you

Here we go
> I think you are saying this to try and strengthen your position and make
excuses. I was appalled at the way you shrugged off this cat's life simply
because it was a stray.<

I have no exuses to make and have not made any. Still saying I shrugged off the
cats life because it was a stray. See you just dont read well. Everyone else
here undesrtood what I wrote and that some of the bit about the stray was
sarcasm towards you intended to get a point thru your thick skull..

>You can ignore the signs all you want but to put a swimming pool and money
before another a life is pretty sad.>

Just to make you happy I'm going outside as soon as I'm thru here with you and
dismantle the pool.

>Your scenario about cats being agile and not falling in a pool like dogs do is
pretty irrelevant now given that a cat has now fallen in your pool and drowned<

Again you dont read well. A cat did fall in the pool - but a partially
handicapped one is what I said. What grade did you make it to in school. I
won't venture a guess.

>You also stated in your first post that you had a fenced yard but
not around the pool. You seem to changing the scenario a bit. <

There you go twisting things around again. Nothing has changed. The yard is
fenced the pool is not. Here is where it might get tricky for you so I will
type this slow for you. I stated that the pool came with a fence but I never
installed it and that it would not be sufficient to keep a pet out..

>then why is it so hard for you to keep your cat
indoors, get a pool cover or take any of the simple precautions other people <

First I thouroghly explaind why the cat went outdoors.Second it is known that a
simple pool cover could be more dangerous to a child or pet. Third - one of the
suggestions was for a platform for the cat in the pool and thats the one I'm
going with.

>Stop playing the victim here and blaming others for your faults. Nobody
twisted your words. I took those quotes directly from your previous posts.<

What in the world are you talking about .I am not blaming anyone here for
anything. Everyone else undertood my words except you. Either that or they were
not to your liking so you twisted them around.

>You also seem to say that taking safety precautions is just too much trouble.
How is
saving another life too much trouble?<

I did not say that taking REASONABLE safety precaution was too much trouble.
Driving a car is dangerous. Should I stop driving. Sticking to cat dangers
though heres one for you. In my home there is a stairway. At the top of the
stairs there is this sort of half wall along a hallway that you can look over
and see a 14 foot drop that ends at the last few hardwood stairs. The deceased
cat and the others often sleep on this wall. On several ocasions they have
taken the plunge and landed 14 ft below half asleep. Nothing happened to them
so far. In your eyes though maybe I should have my entire house torn down and
rebuilt with nothing in mind but cat safety.

Somethings wrong somewhere with you. You must be living in some kind of fantasy
world. Were you spoiled as a child?

Tom

Tlg064
July 19th 03, 09:55 PM
Ok Protector. This will be the last time I respond to you. Its getting old and
you need everything spelled out for you

Here we go
> I think you are saying this to try and strengthen your position and make
excuses. I was appalled at the way you shrugged off this cat's life simply
because it was a stray.<

I have no exuses to make and have not made any. Still saying I shrugged off the
cats life because it was a stray. See you just dont read well. Everyone else
here undesrtood what I wrote and that some of the bit about the stray was
sarcasm towards you intended to get a point thru your thick skull..

>You can ignore the signs all you want but to put a swimming pool and money
before another a life is pretty sad.>

Just to make you happy I'm going outside as soon as I'm thru here with you and
dismantle the pool.

>Your scenario about cats being agile and not falling in a pool like dogs do is
pretty irrelevant now given that a cat has now fallen in your pool and drowned<

Again you dont read well. A cat did fall in the pool - but a partially
handicapped one is what I said. What grade did you make it to in school. I
won't venture a guess.

>You also stated in your first post that you had a fenced yard but
not around the pool. You seem to changing the scenario a bit. <

There you go twisting things around again. Nothing has changed. The yard is
fenced the pool is not. Here is where it might get tricky for you so I will
type this slow for you. I stated that the pool came with a fence but I never
installed it and that it would not be sufficient to keep a pet out..

>then why is it so hard for you to keep your cat
indoors, get a pool cover or take any of the simple precautions other people <

First I thouroghly explaind why the cat went outdoors.Second it is known that a
simple pool cover could be more dangerous to a child or pet. Third - one of the
suggestions was for a platform for the cat in the pool and thats the one I'm
going with.

>Stop playing the victim here and blaming others for your faults. Nobody
twisted your words. I took those quotes directly from your previous posts.<

What in the world are you talking about .I am not blaming anyone here for
anything. Everyone else undertood my words except you. Either that or they were
not to your liking so you twisted them around.

>You also seem to say that taking safety precautions is just too much trouble.
How is
saving another life too much trouble?<

I did not say that taking REASONABLE safety precaution was too much trouble.
Driving a car is dangerous. Should I stop driving. Sticking to cat dangers
though heres one for you. In my home there is a stairway. At the top of the
stairs there is this sort of half wall along a hallway that you can look over
and see a 14 foot drop that ends at the last few hardwood stairs. The deceased
cat and the others often sleep on this wall. On several ocasions they have
taken the plunge and landed 14 ft below half asleep. Nothing happened to them
so far. In your eyes though maybe I should have my entire house torn down and
rebuilt with nothing in mind but cat safety.

Somethings wrong somewhere with you. You must be living in some kind of fantasy
world. Were you spoiled as a child?

Tom

teri
July 19th 03, 11:29 PM
>I think it's very sad that the poor kitty drowned and, yes, I agree it's safer
>(in the US anyway) for cats to be indoors only...but I also have a stray cat
>situation (in addition to my indoor cats) usually and I generally wind up
>leaving most of them as outdoor cats with good care otherwise and, sadly,
>eventually something seems to happen to most of them. Something bad. Not
>drowning but dogs, cars, etc. Therefore, I will not judge the OP. Let's face
>it, the world is full of unwanted cats, unfortunately, and even a cat who has a
>decent outdoor home with food, vet care, and love is better off than the
>majority of poor, unwanted cats. Maybe not the ideal life but better than
>homelessness, starvation, rampant disease, immediate death, etc. And most of
>them live a fine life until the unspeakable occurs. **** happens, sadly.
>Everyone can only do the best they can do and maybe he cannot take an infinite
>number of cats inside, for whatever reasons. I don't feel I can either but the
>strays keep showing up.
>
>All this being said...I live in AZ where there are a ton of pools and I don't
>personally know of any cats who drowned in these pools. One of my friends had
>her elderly dog die in her pool and that was horrible but she had someone
>babysitting the dog while she was on vacation and they, obviously, were not
>attentive enough. It made me really sad that Skeeter died in this way but most
>deaths are sad and some are worse than others.
>
>But what I was going to say, was that no one I know of has a pool cover...other
>than a boyfriend I had back in the 80s. He had one for the cleanliness issue
>and the thing was a pain in the ass. It also had some safety issues itself.
>One of the warnings was that if someone or something managed to fall into the
>pool along the edges (which is where you'd fall in if you were falling in,
>obviously), they could easily become trapped under the cover and not be able to
>get out. As long as you fell on top of the cover, you were okay, it would
>support your weight, but if you slipped in underneath the edges, you were a
>goner. Maybe the covers have changed in the last 20 years but that thing gave
>me the creeps. He had an elderly mom living with him at the time who was
>unsteady on her feet, at times, and I had visions that she would take a tumble
>in there and get caught underneath. She didn't but I don't think they're a
>sure thing in preventing tragedies. And they are definitely a hassle.
>
>Now there are rodents, birds, lizards, other small animals that drown in these
>pools and that is sad, too, so technically no one should have a pool. I don't,
>but I can see where people would like to have one and for them to all have
>covers so that a mouse doesn't fall in every few years seems impractical.
>Especially in AZ, where you could use them everyday of the year. It seems more
>like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak accident and who can account
>for every unusual thing that can occur? He could have had a pool cover and the
>cat could have drowned in the toilet instead or hung itself on the venetian
>blind cord or any number of wierd things not thought of. I think we should
>just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be thankful that the cat did have some
>happy times and love in her life prior to her untimely demise.
>
>Rest in peace, kitty.

What she said.

Teri

teri
July 19th 03, 11:29 PM
>I think it's very sad that the poor kitty drowned and, yes, I agree it's safer
>(in the US anyway) for cats to be indoors only...but I also have a stray cat
>situation (in addition to my indoor cats) usually and I generally wind up
>leaving most of them as outdoor cats with good care otherwise and, sadly,
>eventually something seems to happen to most of them. Something bad. Not
>drowning but dogs, cars, etc. Therefore, I will not judge the OP. Let's face
>it, the world is full of unwanted cats, unfortunately, and even a cat who has a
>decent outdoor home with food, vet care, and love is better off than the
>majority of poor, unwanted cats. Maybe not the ideal life but better than
>homelessness, starvation, rampant disease, immediate death, etc. And most of
>them live a fine life until the unspeakable occurs. **** happens, sadly.
>Everyone can only do the best they can do and maybe he cannot take an infinite
>number of cats inside, for whatever reasons. I don't feel I can either but the
>strays keep showing up.
>
>All this being said...I live in AZ where there are a ton of pools and I don't
>personally know of any cats who drowned in these pools. One of my friends had
>her elderly dog die in her pool and that was horrible but she had someone
>babysitting the dog while she was on vacation and they, obviously, were not
>attentive enough. It made me really sad that Skeeter died in this way but most
>deaths are sad and some are worse than others.
>
>But what I was going to say, was that no one I know of has a pool cover...other
>than a boyfriend I had back in the 80s. He had one for the cleanliness issue
>and the thing was a pain in the ass. It also had some safety issues itself.
>One of the warnings was that if someone or something managed to fall into the
>pool along the edges (which is where you'd fall in if you were falling in,
>obviously), they could easily become trapped under the cover and not be able to
>get out. As long as you fell on top of the cover, you were okay, it would
>support your weight, but if you slipped in underneath the edges, you were a
>goner. Maybe the covers have changed in the last 20 years but that thing gave
>me the creeps. He had an elderly mom living with him at the time who was
>unsteady on her feet, at times, and I had visions that she would take a tumble
>in there and get caught underneath. She didn't but I don't think they're a
>sure thing in preventing tragedies. And they are definitely a hassle.
>
>Now there are rodents, birds, lizards, other small animals that drown in these
>pools and that is sad, too, so technically no one should have a pool. I don't,
>but I can see where people would like to have one and for them to all have
>covers so that a mouse doesn't fall in every few years seems impractical.
>Especially in AZ, where you could use them everyday of the year. It seems more
>like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak accident and who can account
>for every unusual thing that can occur? He could have had a pool cover and the
>cat could have drowned in the toilet instead or hung itself on the venetian
>blind cord or any number of wierd things not thought of. I think we should
>just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be thankful that the cat did have some
>happy times and love in her life prior to her untimely demise.
>
>Rest in peace, kitty.

What she said.

Teri

Cat Protector
July 20th 03, 12:30 AM
Yes, you shrugged off the cat's life. I have read every one of your posts.
Perhaps you need to read your posts? BTW, name calling is not called for
here. You now reveal again that you knew this could be a problem since the
cat had some limitations. The cat fell in the pool and drowned and once
again you say words are being twisted. Nobody edited your posts. Yes you
were quoted directly and now you want to play victim by saying I didn't
understand your posts and thus make yourself look bigger. I guess when faced
with the truth and your own words you feel denial is better and thus makes
you feel like did good. You most certainly stated (but for your
entertainment we'll use the word inferred) that you felt it was too much
trouble to take future precautions. When quotes were needed I certainly
provided them when you said you never said this or that. I even quoted your
posts when you thought you were words were being twisted. Of course you
never did answer my question. How many more lives must be lost before you
finally get a pool cover, fence, or any other safety device?

Nothing is wrong with me since you asked. I happen to love cats and care
enough about them to take the necessary precautions so that they have a
healthy, happy and long life. Did you know you could prevent a lot of
dangers to your cat by keeping them indoors? I suggested this earlier but
you threw out that idea. I guess there is no point in talking about this
with you since you obviously don't want any of our advice. It makes me
wonder why you asked for it when you feel you have all the answers? I hope
at some point you will eventually learn.

--
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www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Ok Protector. This will be the last time I respond to you. Its getting old
and
> you need everything spelled out for you

>
> I have no exuses to make and have not made any. Still saying I shrugged
off the
> cats life because it was a stray. See you just dont read well. Everyone
else
> here undesrtood what I wrote and that some of the bit about the stray was
> sarcasm towards you intended to get a point thru your thick skull..
>
> >You can ignore the signs all you want but to put a swimming pool and
money
> before another a life is pretty sad.>
>
> Just to make you happy I'm going outside as soon as I'm thru here with you
and
> dismantle the pool.
>
> >Your scenario about cats being agile and not falling in a pool like dogs
do is
> pretty irrelevant now given that a cat has now fallen in your pool and
drowned<
>
> Again you dont read well. A cat did fall in the pool - but a partially
> handicapped one is what I said. What grade did you make it to in school. I
> won't venture a guess.
>
> >You also stated in your first post that you had a fenced yard but
> not around the pool. You seem to changing the scenario a bit. <
>
> There you go twisting things around again. Nothing has changed. The yard
is
> fenced the pool is not. Here is where it might get tricky for you so I
will
> type this slow for you. I stated that the pool came with a fence but I
never
> installed it and that it would not be sufficient to keep a pet out..
>
> >then why is it so hard for you to keep your cat
> indoors, get a pool cover or take any of the simple precautions other
people <
>
> First I thouroghly explaind why the cat went outdoors.Second it is known
that a
> simple pool cover could be more dangerous to a child or pet. Third - one
of the
> suggestions was for a platform for the cat in the pool and thats the one
I'm
> going with.
>
> >Stop playing the victim here and blaming others for your faults. Nobody
> twisted your words. I took those quotes directly from your previous
posts.<
>
> What in the world are you talking about .I am not blaming anyone here for
> anything. Everyone else undertood my words except you. Either that or they
were
> not to your liking so you twisted them around.
>
> >You also seem to say that taking safety precautions is just too much
trouble.
> How is
> saving another life too much trouble?<
>
> I did not say that taking REASONABLE safety precaution was too much
trouble.
> Driving a car is dangerous. Should I stop driving. Sticking to cat dangers
> though heres one for you. In my home there is a stairway. At the top of
the
> stairs there is this sort of half wall along a hallway that you can look
over
> and see a 14 foot drop that ends at the last few hardwood stairs. The
deceased
> cat and the others often sleep on this wall. On several ocasions they have
> taken the plunge and landed 14 ft below half asleep. Nothing happened to
them
> so far. In your eyes though maybe I should have my entire house torn down
and
> rebuilt with nothing in mind but cat safety.
>
> Somethings wrong somewhere with you. You must be living in some kind of
fantasy
> world. Were you spoiled as a child?
>
> Tom
>

Cat Protector
July 20th 03, 12:30 AM
Yes, you shrugged off the cat's life. I have read every one of your posts.
Perhaps you need to read your posts? BTW, name calling is not called for
here. You now reveal again that you knew this could be a problem since the
cat had some limitations. The cat fell in the pool and drowned and once
again you say words are being twisted. Nobody edited your posts. Yes you
were quoted directly and now you want to play victim by saying I didn't
understand your posts and thus make yourself look bigger. I guess when faced
with the truth and your own words you feel denial is better and thus makes
you feel like did good. You most certainly stated (but for your
entertainment we'll use the word inferred) that you felt it was too much
trouble to take future precautions. When quotes were needed I certainly
provided them when you said you never said this or that. I even quoted your
posts when you thought you were words were being twisted. Of course you
never did answer my question. How many more lives must be lost before you
finally get a pool cover, fence, or any other safety device?

Nothing is wrong with me since you asked. I happen to love cats and care
enough about them to take the necessary precautions so that they have a
healthy, happy and long life. Did you know you could prevent a lot of
dangers to your cat by keeping them indoors? I suggested this earlier but
you threw out that idea. I guess there is no point in talking about this
with you since you obviously don't want any of our advice. It makes me
wonder why you asked for it when you feel you have all the answers? I hope
at some point you will eventually learn.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...
> Ok Protector. This will be the last time I respond to you. Its getting old
and
> you need everything spelled out for you

>
> I have no exuses to make and have not made any. Still saying I shrugged
off the
> cats life because it was a stray. See you just dont read well. Everyone
else
> here undesrtood what I wrote and that some of the bit about the stray was
> sarcasm towards you intended to get a point thru your thick skull..
>
> >You can ignore the signs all you want but to put a swimming pool and
money
> before another a life is pretty sad.>
>
> Just to make you happy I'm going outside as soon as I'm thru here with you
and
> dismantle the pool.
>
> >Your scenario about cats being agile and not falling in a pool like dogs
do is
> pretty irrelevant now given that a cat has now fallen in your pool and
drowned<
>
> Again you dont read well. A cat did fall in the pool - but a partially
> handicapped one is what I said. What grade did you make it to in school. I
> won't venture a guess.
>
> >You also stated in your first post that you had a fenced yard but
> not around the pool. You seem to changing the scenario a bit. <
>
> There you go twisting things around again. Nothing has changed. The yard
is
> fenced the pool is not. Here is where it might get tricky for you so I
will
> type this slow for you. I stated that the pool came with a fence but I
never
> installed it and that it would not be sufficient to keep a pet out..
>
> >then why is it so hard for you to keep your cat
> indoors, get a pool cover or take any of the simple precautions other
people <
>
> First I thouroghly explaind why the cat went outdoors.Second it is known
that a
> simple pool cover could be more dangerous to a child or pet. Third - one
of the
> suggestions was for a platform for the cat in the pool and thats the one
I'm
> going with.
>
> >Stop playing the victim here and blaming others for your faults. Nobody
> twisted your words. I took those quotes directly from your previous
posts.<
>
> What in the world are you talking about .I am not blaming anyone here for
> anything. Everyone else undertood my words except you. Either that or they
were
> not to your liking so you twisted them around.
>
> >You also seem to say that taking safety precautions is just too much
trouble.
> How is
> saving another life too much trouble?<
>
> I did not say that taking REASONABLE safety precaution was too much
trouble.
> Driving a car is dangerous. Should I stop driving. Sticking to cat dangers
> though heres one for you. In my home there is a stairway. At the top of
the
> stairs there is this sort of half wall along a hallway that you can look
over
> and see a 14 foot drop that ends at the last few hardwood stairs. The
deceased
> cat and the others often sleep on this wall. On several ocasions they have
> taken the plunge and landed 14 ft below half asleep. Nothing happened to
them
> so far. In your eyes though maybe I should have my entire house torn down
and
> rebuilt with nothing in mind but cat safety.
>
> Somethings wrong somewhere with you. You must be living in some kind of
fantasy
> world. Were you spoiled as a child?
>
> Tom
>

Sherry
July 20th 03, 01:44 AM
tlg064, I told you if you attempted to carry on a conversation with CP on any
level, you'd end up banging your head against a wall. In fact, banging your
head against a wall at this point probably sounds like a pleasant endeavor in
comparison. He either doesn't read anything you write anyway, or is just too
thick-headed to comprehend, but you've probably already figured that out.
Ignore him.

Sherry

Sherry
July 20th 03, 01:44 AM
tlg064, I told you if you attempted to carry on a conversation with CP on any
level, you'd end up banging your head against a wall. In fact, banging your
head against a wall at this point probably sounds like a pleasant endeavor in
comparison. He either doesn't read anything you write anyway, or is just too
thick-headed to comprehend, but you've probably already figured that out.
Ignore him.

Sherry

Outsider
July 20th 03, 01:46 PM
Sandra Loosemore > wrote in
:

> (MacCandace) writes:
>
>> It seems more like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak
>> accident and who can account for every unusual thing that can occur?
>> [...] I think we should just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be
>> thankful that the cat did have some happy times and love in her life
>> prior to her untimely demise.
>
> This is what I think, too, and I'm pretty horrified that people have
> responded so viciously to the OP. It seems like some folks, in their
> sentimental zeal as cat-lovers, have forgotten that there's a human
> being involved, too -- and one who is dealing with the emotional
> trauma of the death of a pet.
>
> -Sandra
>
>


Many many years ago I chastised a poster, who, while parked at a thruway
truck stop, opened the car door and let her (un-crated) cat jump out of the
car and get flattened by a truck. Aside from the fact that it seemed more
like a writing exercise it was clearly an EXPECTED result of the persons
actions [Truck-stop, trucks, loose cat = dead cat] Oddly, I was attacked
for my comments! How things change!

This event (the pool) would have been a lot less predicatable. Tom sounds
to have done and admirable job in taking in this STRAY cat (those who have
done this know you sometimes need to compromise with the cat just to take
care of it). He missed one danger and the cat died. He did NOT minimize
the value of the cat for being a stray. If he did he would NOT HAVE EVEN
POSTED!

So it would be nice if all the perfect folks and all the imperfect folks (I
would be in that group) would start cutting a little slack. It is not
always easy to express or discern complex emotional content in writting so
you may want to assume the better intent rather than the worst when you
read a CAT LOVERS writting.

Andy

Outsider
July 20th 03, 01:46 PM
Sandra Loosemore > wrote in
:

> (MacCandace) writes:
>
>> It seems more like what happened to the OP was kind of a freak
>> accident and who can account for every unusual thing that can occur?
>> [...] I think we should just feel sad for the cat and the OP and be
>> thankful that the cat did have some happy times and love in her life
>> prior to her untimely demise.
>
> This is what I think, too, and I'm pretty horrified that people have
> responded so viciously to the OP. It seems like some folks, in their
> sentimental zeal as cat-lovers, have forgotten that there's a human
> being involved, too -- and one who is dealing with the emotional
> trauma of the death of a pet.
>
> -Sandra
>
>


Many many years ago I chastised a poster, who, while parked at a thruway
truck stop, opened the car door and let her (un-crated) cat jump out of the
car and get flattened by a truck. Aside from the fact that it seemed more
like a writing exercise it was clearly an EXPECTED result of the persons
actions [Truck-stop, trucks, loose cat = dead cat] Oddly, I was attacked
for my comments! How things change!

This event (the pool) would have been a lot less predicatable. Tom sounds
to have done and admirable job in taking in this STRAY cat (those who have
done this know you sometimes need to compromise with the cat just to take
care of it). He missed one danger and the cat died. He did NOT minimize
the value of the cat for being a stray. If he did he would NOT HAVE EVEN
POSTED!

So it would be nice if all the perfect folks and all the imperfect folks (I
would be in that group) would start cutting a little slack. It is not
always easy to express or discern complex emotional content in writting so
you may want to assume the better intent rather than the worst when you
read a CAT LOVERS writting.

Andy

Outsider
July 20th 03, 01:54 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Rona,
>
> I don't think you really have anything apologize for anything here.
>


Why not read this back in a few weeks. Imagine telling someone NOT to have
apologized. Would not RONA be the judge of what RONA should apologize for?
Rona apologized only for her tone not for her content anyway. Pretty even
handed behaviour it would seem.

Andy
very imperfect cat lover

Outsider
July 20th 03, 01:54 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Rona,
>
> I don't think you really have anything apologize for anything here.
>


Why not read this back in a few weeks. Imagine telling someone NOT to have
apologized. Would not RONA be the judge of what RONA should apologize for?
Rona apologized only for her tone not for her content anyway. Pretty even
handed behaviour it would seem.

Andy
very imperfect cat lover

MacCandace
July 21st 03, 12:33 AM
<< It is not
always easy to express or discern complex emotional content in writting so
you may want to assume the better intent rather than the worst when you
read a CAT LOVERS writting.

Andy >>

I would certainly agree with you that the truck stop incident was clearly
within the owner's control and was extremem negligence...very different from
Tom's situation. Tom's was a freak accident. We can't totally protect cats or
people from every possible danger in the world.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

MacCandace
July 21st 03, 12:33 AM
<< It is not
always easy to express or discern complex emotional content in writting so
you may want to assume the better intent rather than the worst when you
read a CAT LOVERS writting.

Andy >>

I would certainly agree with you that the truck stop incident was clearly
within the owner's control and was extremem negligence...very different from
Tom's situation. Tom's was a freak accident. We can't totally protect cats or
people from every possible danger in the world.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Cat Protector
July 21st 03, 09:11 PM
Oh yeah Cathy. Take his side and allow even more lives to be lost. I guess
when it comes to cats I feel that I must do what I can to protect them
despite what anyone else thinks. Yes, I see it only one way. I value their
lives.

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"Cathy Friedmann" > wrote in message
...
> OMG, will you please, for everyone's sanity, just *drop* it already?! You
> are bound & determined - per usual - to see it your own way, no matter
what
> the OP really said.
>
> Cathy
>
> --
> "Staccato signals of constant information..."
> ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
> "Cat Protector" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Yes, you shrugged off the cat's life. I have read every one of your
posts.
> > Perhaps you need to read your posts? BTW, name calling is not called for
> > here. You now reveal again that you knew this could be a problem since
the
> > cat had some limitations. The cat fell in the pool and drowned and once
> > again you say words are being twisted. Nobody edited your posts. Yes you
> > were quoted directly and now you want to play victim by saying I didn't
> > understand your posts and thus make yourself look bigger. I guess when
> faced
> > with the truth and your own words you feel denial is better and thus
makes
> > you feel like did good. You most certainly stated (but for your
> > entertainment we'll use the word inferred) that you felt it was too much
> > trouble to take future precautions. When quotes were needed I certainly
> > provided them when you said you never said this or that. I even quoted
> your
> > posts when you thought you were words were being twisted. Of course you
> > never did answer my question. How many more lives must be lost before
you
> > finally get a pool cover, fence, or any other safety device?
> >
> > Nothing is wrong with me since you asked. I happen to love cats and care
> > enough about them to take the necessary precautions so that they have a
> > healthy, happy and long life. Did you know you could prevent a lot of
> > dangers to your cat by keeping them indoors? I suggested this earlier
but
> > you threw out that idea. I guess there is no point in talking about this
> > with you since you obviously don't want any of our advice. It makes me
> > wonder why you asked for it when you feel you have all the answers? I
hope
> > at some point you will eventually learn.
> >
> > --
> > Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
> > www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek
> >
> > Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
> > www.catgalaxymedia.com
> > "Tlg064" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ok Protector. This will be the last time I respond to you. Its getting
> old
> > and
> > > you need everything spelled out for you
> >
> > >
> > > I have no exuses to make and have not made any. Still saying I
shrugged
> > off the
> > > cats life because it was a stray. See you just dont read well.
Everyone
> > else
> > > here undesrtood what I wrote and that some of the bit about the stray
> was
> > > sarcasm towards you intended to get a point thru your thick skull..
> > >
> > > >You can ignore the signs all you want but to put a swimming pool and
> > money
> > > before another a life is pretty sad.>
> > >
> > > Just to make you happy I'm going outside as soon as I'm thru here with
> you
> > and
> > > dismantle the pool.
> > >
> > > >Your scenario about cats being agile and not falling in a pool like
> dogs
> > do is
> > > pretty irrelevant now given that a cat has now fallen in your pool and
> > drowned<
> > >
> > > Again you dont read well. A cat did fall in the pool - but a partially
> > > handicapped one is what I said. What grade did you make it to in
school.
> I
> > > won't venture a guess.
> > >
> > > >You also stated in your first post that you had a fenced yard but
> > > not around the pool. You seem to changing the scenario a bit. <
> > >
> > > There you go twisting things around again. Nothing has changed. The
yard
> > is
> > > fenced the pool is not. Here is where it might get tricky for you so I
> > will
> > > type this slow for you. I stated that the pool came with a fence but I
> > never
> > > installed it and that it would not be sufficient to keep a pet out..
> > >
> > > >then why is it so hard for you to keep your cat
> > > indoors, get a pool cover or take any of the simple precautions other
> > people <
> > >
> > > First I thouroghly explaind why the cat went outdoors.Second it is
known
> > that a
> > > simple pool cover could be more dangerous to a child or pet. Third -
one
> > of the
> > > suggestions was for a platform for the cat in the pool and thats the
one
> > I'm
> > > going with.
> > >
> > > >Stop playing the victim here and blaming others for your faults.
Nobody
> > > twisted your words. I took those quotes directly from your previous
> > posts.<
> > >
> > > What in the world are you talking about .I am not blaming anyone here
> for
> > > anything. Everyone else undertood my words except you. Either that or
> they
> > were
> > > not to your liking so you twisted them around.
> > >
> > > >You also seem to say that taking safety precautions is just too much
> > trouble.
> > > How is
> > > saving another life too much trouble?<
> > >
> > > I did not say that taking REASONABLE safety precaution was too much
> > trouble.
> > > Driving a car is dangerous. Should I stop driving. Sticking to cat
> dangers
> > > though heres one for you. In my home there is a stairway. At the top
of
> > the
> > > stairs there is this sort of half wall along a hallway that you can
look
> > over
> > > and see a 14 foot drop that ends at the last few hardwood stairs. The
> > deceased
> > > cat and the others often sleep on this wall. On several ocasions they
> have
> > > taken the plunge and landed 14 ft below half asleep. Nothing happened
to
> > them
> > > so far. In your eyes though maybe I should have my entire house torn
> down
> > and
> > > rebuilt with nothing in mind but cat safety.
> > >
> > > Somethings wrong somewhere with you. You must be living in some kind
of
> > fantasy
> > > world. Were you spoiled as a child?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Cat Protector
July 21st 03, 09:11 PM
Oh yeah Cathy. Take his side and allow even more lives to be lost. I guess
when it comes to cats I feel that I must do what I can to protect them
despite what anyone else thinks. Yes, I see it only one way. I value their
lives.

--
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www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Cathy Friedmann" > wrote in message
...
> OMG, will you please, for everyone's sanity, just *drop* it already?! You
> are bound & determined - per usual - to see it your own way, no matter
what
> the OP really said.
>
> Cathy
>
> --
> "Staccato signals of constant information..."
> ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon
>
> "Cat Protector" > wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Yes, you shrugged off the cat's life. I have read every one of your
posts.
> > Perhaps you need to read your posts? BTW, name calling is not called for
> > here. You now reveal again that you knew this could be a problem since
the
> > cat had some limitations. The cat fell in the pool and drowned and once
> > again you say words are being twisted. Nobody edited your posts. Yes you
> > were quoted directly and now you want to play victim by saying I didn't
> > understand your posts and thus make yourself look bigger. I guess when
> faced
> > with the truth and your own words you feel denial is better and thus
makes
> > you feel like did good. You most certainly stated (but for your
> > entertainment we'll use the word inferred) that you felt it was too much
> > trouble to take future precautions. When quotes were needed I certainly
> > provided them when you said you never said this or that. I even quoted
> your
> > posts when you thought you were words were being twisted. Of course you
> > never did answer my question. How many more lives must be lost before
you
> > finally get a pool cover, fence, or any other safety device?
> >
> > Nothing is wrong with me since you asked. I happen to love cats and care
> > enough about them to take the necessary precautions so that they have a
> > healthy, happy and long life. Did you know you could prevent a lot of
> > dangers to your cat by keeping them indoors? I suggested this earlier
but
> > you threw out that idea. I guess there is no point in talking about this
> > with you since you obviously don't want any of our advice. It makes me
> > wonder why you asked for it when you feel you have all the answers? I
hope
> > at some point you will eventually learn.
> >
> > --
> > Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
> > www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek
> >
> > Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
> > www.catgalaxymedia.com
> > "Tlg064" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ok Protector. This will be the last time I respond to you. Its getting
> old
> > and
> > > you need everything spelled out for you
> >
> > >
> > > I have no exuses to make and have not made any. Still saying I
shrugged
> > off the
> > > cats life because it was a stray. See you just dont read well.
Everyone
> > else
> > > here undesrtood what I wrote and that some of the bit about the stray
> was
> > > sarcasm towards you intended to get a point thru your thick skull..
> > >
> > > >You can ignore the signs all you want but to put a swimming pool and
> > money
> > > before another a life is pretty sad.>
> > >
> > > Just to make you happy I'm going outside as soon as I'm thru here with
> you
> > and
> > > dismantle the pool.
> > >
> > > >Your scenario about cats being agile and not falling in a pool like
> dogs
> > do is
> > > pretty irrelevant now given that a cat has now fallen in your pool and
> > drowned<
> > >
> > > Again you dont read well. A cat did fall in the pool - but a partially
> > > handicapped one is what I said. What grade did you make it to in
school.
> I
> > > won't venture a guess.
> > >
> > > >You also stated in your first post that you had a fenced yard but
> > > not around the pool. You seem to changing the scenario a bit. <
> > >
> > > There you go twisting things around again. Nothing has changed. The
yard
> > is
> > > fenced the pool is not. Here is where it might get tricky for you so I
> > will
> > > type this slow for you. I stated that the pool came with a fence but I
> > never
> > > installed it and that it would not be sufficient to keep a pet out..
> > >
> > > >then why is it so hard for you to keep your cat
> > > indoors, get a pool cover or take any of the simple precautions other
> > people <
> > >
> > > First I thouroghly explaind why the cat went outdoors.Second it is
known
> > that a
> > > simple pool cover could be more dangerous to a child or pet. Third -
one
> > of the
> > > suggestions was for a platform for the cat in the pool and thats the
one
> > I'm
> > > going with.
> > >
> > > >Stop playing the victim here and blaming others for your faults.
Nobody
> > > twisted your words. I took those quotes directly from your previous
> > posts.<
> > >
> > > What in the world are you talking about .I am not blaming anyone here
> for
> > > anything. Everyone else undertood my words except you. Either that or
> they
> > were
> > > not to your liking so you twisted them around.
> > >
> > > >You also seem to say that taking safety precautions is just too much
> > trouble.
> > > How is
> > > saving another life too much trouble?<
> > >
> > > I did not say that taking REASONABLE safety precaution was too much
> > trouble.
> > > Driving a car is dangerous. Should I stop driving. Sticking to cat
> dangers
> > > though heres one for you. In my home there is a stairway. At the top
of
> > the
> > > stairs there is this sort of half wall along a hallway that you can
look
> > over
> > > and see a 14 foot drop that ends at the last few hardwood stairs. The
> > deceased
> > > cat and the others often sleep on this wall. On several ocasions they
> have
> > > taken the plunge and landed 14 ft below half asleep. Nothing happened
to
> > them
> > > so far. In your eyes though maybe I should have my entire house torn
> down
> > and
> > > rebuilt with nothing in mind but cat safety.
> > >
> > > Somethings wrong somewhere with you. You must be living in some kind
of
> > fantasy
> > > world. Were you spoiled as a child?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Cat Protector
July 21st 03, 09:23 PM
Well Candace,

I think this incident with the swimming pool is a clear reminder that cats
should be kept indoors and if they have to be outside watched closely or
have them on a leash and harness. I know that amongst the group here these
days that is not a popular idea. I also know plenty here feel I am pretty
agressive when it comes to posting. All I can say is that I love cats and
want to see every one of them get a good and loving home. When tragedies
like this one happen where a cat drowns it boils my blood to know that
despite it all some take a very passive attitude and decide not to learn
from this. Getting a pool cover, putting a fence around the pool or even an
alarm when an object falls in is a great idea. I will not make any excuses
for my posts. I love cats and feel they are worthy of protecting. I guess
with this incident, how many times do lives have to be lost before people
get the message. Here in Arizona for example, the news stations, fire
departments and even members of the community state time and time again to
watch your children around water. But not too many people listen to this
warning and thus we have quite a few drownings. Thus I created a banner ad
to hopefully prevent cats from suffering the same fate. I have put it up on
our site and if any of you want it then feel free to email me. Anyway, I
guess this thread can now be closed as this has become a dead-horse issue.

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Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"MacCandace" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> I would certainly agree with you that the truck stop incident was clearly
> within the owner's control and was extremem negligence...very different
from
> Tom's situation. Tom's was a freak accident. We can't totally protect
cats or
> people from every possible danger in the world.
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
>
> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Cat Protector
July 21st 03, 09:23 PM
Well Candace,

I think this incident with the swimming pool is a clear reminder that cats
should be kept indoors and if they have to be outside watched closely or
have them on a leash and harness. I know that amongst the group here these
days that is not a popular idea. I also know plenty here feel I am pretty
agressive when it comes to posting. All I can say is that I love cats and
want to see every one of them get a good and loving home. When tragedies
like this one happen where a cat drowns it boils my blood to know that
despite it all some take a very passive attitude and decide not to learn
from this. Getting a pool cover, putting a fence around the pool or even an
alarm when an object falls in is a great idea. I will not make any excuses
for my posts. I love cats and feel they are worthy of protecting. I guess
with this incident, how many times do lives have to be lost before people
get the message. Here in Arizona for example, the news stations, fire
departments and even members of the community state time and time again to
watch your children around water. But not too many people listen to this
warning and thus we have quite a few drownings. Thus I created a banner ad
to hopefully prevent cats from suffering the same fate. I have put it up on
our site and if any of you want it then feel free to email me. Anyway, I
guess this thread can now be closed as this has become a dead-horse issue.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"MacCandace" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> I would certainly agree with you that the truck stop incident was clearly
> within the owner's control and was extremem negligence...very different
from
> Tom's situation. Tom's was a freak accident. We can't totally protect
cats or
> people from every possible danger in the world.
>
> Candace
> (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
>
> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Cathy Friedmann
July 21st 03, 09:54 PM
> wrote in message
...
> Cat Protector > wrote:
> > Oh yeah Cathy. Take his side and allow even more lives to be lost. I
guess
> > when it comes to cats I feel that I must do what I can to protect them
> > despite what anyone else thinks. Yes, I see it only one way. I value
their
> > lives.
> >
>
> Cathy probably did more to help other cats in that person's care than you
> did. She was willing to give advice without condeming the person.

Thanks for your vote of confidence, but actually I didn't offer the OP any
advice; I saw it as a freak accident, that could happen to virtually anyone
who has a pool.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon



I find
> people are a lot more likely to listen to advice when it's not given with
> a you suck attitude.
>
> And honestly CP, while this poster isn't willing ot go the lengths you say
> you are willing to go, she/he's still giving pretty good care for her
> cats. She/he may not be along the level that you claim to be, but trust
> me, she/he's at least caring enough to try to get a solution that works
> for her and the cats. Some people won't even do that. Trust me, I've met
> them, I work at a pet store. These are kinds of people you won't see on
> this newsgroup cause frankly, they could care less, it's jsut a cat. They
> wouldn't spend a dime trying to make their pool more safe and if the cat
> dies, ****it, they can just get another one. They probably wouldn't spend
> a time to save the cat from an illness, cheaper to get another one, it's
> just a cat.
>
> You want to spit venom at people, CP.. there are people a lot more
> deserving of it than this lady who at least shows she cares. How about
> spitting venom at the lady who was feeding her GSD (I say was cause I'm
> hoping she gave the dog to some one else) 1 cup of food a day (1/3 the
> amount a dog that size should get). Or the lady putting her cat int he
> shelter cause it peed on her couch once (she wasn't worried about it
> peeing again, I tried to give her suggestions on what it could be and how
> it could be prevented again, she cut me off with a "I don't care").
>
> Alice
>
> --
> The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
> worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
> |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
> /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
> |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Cathy Friedmann
July 21st 03, 09:54 PM
> wrote in message
...
> Cat Protector > wrote:
> > Oh yeah Cathy. Take his side and allow even more lives to be lost. I
guess
> > when it comes to cats I feel that I must do what I can to protect them
> > despite what anyone else thinks. Yes, I see it only one way. I value
their
> > lives.
> >
>
> Cathy probably did more to help other cats in that person's care than you
> did. She was willing to give advice without condeming the person.

Thanks for your vote of confidence, but actually I didn't offer the OP any
advice; I saw it as a freak accident, that could happen to virtually anyone
who has a pool.

Cathy

--
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("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon



I find
> people are a lot more likely to listen to advice when it's not given with
> a you suck attitude.
>
> And honestly CP, while this poster isn't willing ot go the lengths you say
> you are willing to go, she/he's still giving pretty good care for her
> cats. She/he may not be along the level that you claim to be, but trust
> me, she/he's at least caring enough to try to get a solution that works
> for her and the cats. Some people won't even do that. Trust me, I've met
> them, I work at a pet store. These are kinds of people you won't see on
> this newsgroup cause frankly, they could care less, it's jsut a cat. They
> wouldn't spend a dime trying to make their pool more safe and if the cat
> dies, ****it, they can just get another one. They probably wouldn't spend
> a time to save the cat from an illness, cheaper to get another one, it's
> just a cat.
>
> You want to spit venom at people, CP.. there are people a lot more
> deserving of it than this lady who at least shows she cares. How about
> spitting venom at the lady who was feeding her GSD (I say was cause I'm
> hoping she gave the dog to some one else) 1 cup of food a day (1/3 the
> amount a dog that size should get). Or the lady putting her cat int he
> shelter cause it peed on her couch once (she wasn't worried about it
> peeing again, I tried to give her suggestions on what it could be and how
> it could be prevented again, she cut me off with a "I don't care").
>
> Alice
>
> --
> The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
> worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
> |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
> /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
> |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Sherry
July 22nd 03, 03:39 AM
>And honestly CP, while this poster isn't willing ot go the lengths you say
>you are willing to go, she/he's still giving pretty good care for her
>cats.

Give me a break. CP is all talk with no substance. His idea of "rescuing" was
to remove a nice, collared, clean, tame cat from an apartment where she had
been left. Then he bitched for a solid week and begged for donations because he
had to buy plastic bowls and litter. He isn't exactly someone to be taken
seriously.

Sherry

Sherry
July 22nd 03, 03:39 AM
>And honestly CP, while this poster isn't willing ot go the lengths you say
>you are willing to go, she/he's still giving pretty good care for her
>cats.

Give me a break. CP is all talk with no substance. His idea of "rescuing" was
to remove a nice, collared, clean, tame cat from an apartment where she had
been left. Then he bitched for a solid week and begged for donations because he
had to buy plastic bowls and litter. He isn't exactly someone to be taken
seriously.

Sherry

Sherry
July 22nd 03, 03:45 AM
>No I didn't miss it.
>
>You took a sentence out of context.
>
>The cat didn't die due to the extreme medical
>condition he mentioned. Its death was as a result
>of drowning.
>
>I asked about what the vet said and did about
>the condition the cat had before it died.
>
And for what purpose do you need this information? To flame the poster some
more? Sheesh.

Sherry

Sherry
July 22nd 03, 03:45 AM
>No I didn't miss it.
>
>You took a sentence out of context.
>
>The cat didn't die due to the extreme medical
>condition he mentioned. Its death was as a result
>of drowning.
>
>I asked about what the vet said and did about
>the condition the cat had before it died.
>
And for what purpose do you need this information? To flame the poster some
more? Sheesh.

Sherry

Cheryl
July 22nd 03, 01:11 PM
"Sherry " > wrote in message
...
> >No I didn't miss it.
> >
> >You took a sentence out of context.
> >

I left that sentence because it had no purpose asked after the fact other
than to use it to flame the poster more.

> >
> And for what purpose do you need this information? To flame the poster
some
> more? Sheesh.
>
> Sherry

Exactly.

Cheryl
July 22nd 03, 01:11 PM
"Sherry " > wrote in message
...
> >No I didn't miss it.
> >
> >You took a sentence out of context.
> >

I left that sentence because it had no purpose asked after the fact other
than to use it to flame the poster more.

> >
> And for what purpose do you need this information? To flame the poster
some
> more? Sheesh.
>
> Sherry

Exactly.

Cat Protector
July 22nd 03, 06:15 PM
I did offer advice and the OP threw it back in my face. Don't make me the
bad guy here.

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> wrote in message
...

> Cathy probably did more to help other cats in that person's care than you
> did. She was willing to give advice without condeming the person. I find
> people are a lot more likely to listen to advice when it's not given with
> a you suck attitude.
>
> And honestly CP, while this poster isn't willing ot go the lengths you say
> you are willing to go, she/he's still giving pretty good care for her
> cats. She/he may not be along the level that you claim to be, but trust
> me, she/he's at least caring enough to try to get a solution that works
> for her and the cats. Some people won't even do that. Trust me, I've met
> them, I work at a pet store. These are kinds of people you won't see on
> this newsgroup cause frankly, they could care less, it's jsut a cat. They
> wouldn't spend a dime trying to make their pool more safe and if the cat
> dies, ****it, they can just get another one. They probably wouldn't spend
> a time to save the cat from an illness, cheaper to get another one, it's
> just a cat.
>
> You want to spit venom at people, CP.. there are people a lot more
> deserving of it than this lady who at least shows she cares. How about
> spitting venom at the lady who was feeding her GSD (I say was cause I'm
> hoping she gave the dog to some one else) 1 cup of food a day (1/3 the
> amount a dog that size should get). Or the lady putting her cat int he
> shelter cause it peed on her couch once (she wasn't worried about it
> peeing again, I tried to give her suggestions on what it could be and how
> it could be prevented again, she cut me off with a "I don't care").
>
> Alice
>
> --
> The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
> worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
> |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
> /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
> |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Cat Protector
July 22nd 03, 06:15 PM
I did offer advice and the OP threw it back in my face. Don't make me the
bad guy here.

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> wrote in message
...

> Cathy probably did more to help other cats in that person's care than you
> did. She was willing to give advice without condeming the person. I find
> people are a lot more likely to listen to advice when it's not given with
> a you suck attitude.
>
> And honestly CP, while this poster isn't willing ot go the lengths you say
> you are willing to go, she/he's still giving pretty good care for her
> cats. She/he may not be along the level that you claim to be, but trust
> me, she/he's at least caring enough to try to get a solution that works
> for her and the cats. Some people won't even do that. Trust me, I've met
> them, I work at a pet store. These are kinds of people you won't see on
> this newsgroup cause frankly, they could care less, it's jsut a cat. They
> wouldn't spend a dime trying to make their pool more safe and if the cat
> dies, ****it, they can just get another one. They probably wouldn't spend
> a time to save the cat from an illness, cheaper to get another one, it's
> just a cat.
>
> You want to spit venom at people, CP.. there are people a lot more
> deserving of it than this lady who at least shows she cares. How about
> spitting venom at the lady who was feeding her GSD (I say was cause I'm
> hoping she gave the dog to some one else) 1 cup of food a day (1/3 the
> amount a dog that size should get). Or the lady putting her cat int he
> shelter cause it peed on her couch once (she wasn't worried about it
> peeing again, I tried to give her suggestions on what it could be and how
> it could be prevented again, she cut me off with a "I don't care").
>
> Alice
>
> --
> The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
> worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
> |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
> /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
> |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Tlg064
July 22nd 03, 09:10 PM
CatProtector Wrote

>Oh yeah Cathy. Take his side and allow even more lives to be lost. I guess
when it comes to cats I feel that I must do what I can to protect them despite
what anyone else thinks. Yes, I see it only one way. I value their lives.

I think this incident with the swimming pool is a clear reminder that cats
should be kept indoors and if they have to be outside watched closely or
have them on a leash and harness. I know that amongst the group here these days
that is not a popular idea.

I did offer advice and the OP threw it back in my face. Don't make me the bad
guy here. Blah Blah Blah <<<<<<<<<

Will you get over it. I did not throw anything back in anyones face. Not every
situation conforms to your dream land. You just cant take it when someone else
does not see something exactly your way. Then you whine. You make it sound like
your some kind of cat God and only you know whats right for them and only you
know how to treat them right and as for the rest of us we dont have the brains
to take care of a cat and we mistreat them. . You think your going to save the
world or something. Maybe go down in history. Get real. Go F yourself.

When I open my door to come in and my 4 cats race to the door to meet me I know
I must be doing something right.

Tom

Tlg064
July 22nd 03, 09:10 PM
CatProtector Wrote

>Oh yeah Cathy. Take his side and allow even more lives to be lost. I guess
when it comes to cats I feel that I must do what I can to protect them despite
what anyone else thinks. Yes, I see it only one way. I value their lives.

I think this incident with the swimming pool is a clear reminder that cats
should be kept indoors and if they have to be outside watched closely or
have them on a leash and harness. I know that amongst the group here these days
that is not a popular idea.

I did offer advice and the OP threw it back in my face. Don't make me the bad
guy here. Blah Blah Blah <<<<<<<<<

Will you get over it. I did not throw anything back in anyones face. Not every
situation conforms to your dream land. You just cant take it when someone else
does not see something exactly your way. Then you whine. You make it sound like
your some kind of cat God and only you know whats right for them and only you
know how to treat them right and as for the rest of us we dont have the brains
to take care of a cat and we mistreat them. . You think your going to save the
world or something. Maybe go down in history. Get real. Go F yourself.

When I open my door to come in and my 4 cats race to the door to meet me I know
I must be doing something right.

Tom

Liz
July 23rd 03, 07:05 AM
> Cats aren't known for their aquatic abilities.
> More likely to drown, than "swim". That's pretty basic.
> If I had a cat, and a pool, and saw it drinking from the pool,
> I would immediately worry about what would happen should the
> cat fall in.

Cats definitively do not like swimming but they swim wonderfully. I
suppose you've never seen a cat fall in a pool. I've seen it many
times. I've had cats and a pool for 12 years, almost 13. Never had an
incident. The cat falls in and FLIES out. You'd be amazed at how well
they swim and how they simply JUMP out of the water - they are not
clumsy swimmers like dogs. I suspect this cat had some stroke and fell
in, otherwise, even having weak back legs, she would have gotten out
very easily.

Liz
July 23rd 03, 07:05 AM
> Cats aren't known for their aquatic abilities.
> More likely to drown, than "swim". That's pretty basic.
> If I had a cat, and a pool, and saw it drinking from the pool,
> I would immediately worry about what would happen should the
> cat fall in.

Cats definitively do not like swimming but they swim wonderfully. I
suppose you've never seen a cat fall in a pool. I've seen it many
times. I've had cats and a pool for 12 years, almost 13. Never had an
incident. The cat falls in and FLIES out. You'd be amazed at how well
they swim and how they simply JUMP out of the water - they are not
clumsy swimmers like dogs. I suspect this cat had some stroke and fell
in, otherwise, even having weak back legs, she would have gotten out
very easily.

Cat Protector
July 24th 03, 04:24 AM
I see you are still in denial even after I quoted your posts time and time.
I can take it if someone's opinion differs from mine. What I can't take is
when we all offered you great suggestions and you threw it back in some of
our faces and decided against taking future precautions because it was in
your words "too much trouble."

I think what you are trying to do here is basically make me the bad guy now
to take the heat off you. I guess you can't admit that you have real problem
with people giving you advice. You still never answered my question again
though which leads me to believe you are avoiding it. How many lives will it
take before you take the necessary safety precautions? Also, why did you ask
for people's advice or suggestions in the first post if you had no intention
on listening to them?

As for your post about saving the world, I can do my best to save my corner
of it as well as help out cats that need it. I will keep helping cats no
matter what you think. Now, lets see if you can possibly pass up this post
so we can kill thread because the horse is ready to be buried.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> Will you get over it. I did not throw anything back in anyones face. Not
every
> situation conforms to your dream land. You just cant take it when someone
else
> does not see something exactly your way. Then you whine. You make it sound
like
> your some kind of cat God and only you know whats right for them and only
you
> know how to treat them right and as for the rest of us we dont have the
brains
> to take care of a cat and we mistreat them. . You think your going to save
the
> world or something. Maybe go down in history. Get real. Go F yourself.
>
> When I open my door to come in and my 4 cats race to the door to meet me I
know
> I must be doing something right.
>
> Tom

Cat Protector
July 24th 03, 04:24 AM
I see you are still in denial even after I quoted your posts time and time.
I can take it if someone's opinion differs from mine. What I can't take is
when we all offered you great suggestions and you threw it back in some of
our faces and decided against taking future precautions because it was in
your words "too much trouble."

I think what you are trying to do here is basically make me the bad guy now
to take the heat off you. I guess you can't admit that you have real problem
with people giving you advice. You still never answered my question again
though which leads me to believe you are avoiding it. How many lives will it
take before you take the necessary safety precautions? Also, why did you ask
for people's advice or suggestions in the first post if you had no intention
on listening to them?

As for your post about saving the world, I can do my best to save my corner
of it as well as help out cats that need it. I will keep helping cats no
matter what you think. Now, lets see if you can possibly pass up this post
so we can kill thread because the horse is ready to be buried.

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"Tlg064" > wrote in message
...

> Will you get over it. I did not throw anything back in anyones face. Not
every
> situation conforms to your dream land. You just cant take it when someone
else
> does not see something exactly your way. Then you whine. You make it sound
like
> your some kind of cat God and only you know whats right for them and only
you
> know how to treat them right and as for the rest of us we dont have the
brains
> to take care of a cat and we mistreat them. . You think your going to save
the
> world or something. Maybe go down in history. Get real. Go F yourself.
>
> When I open my door to come in and my 4 cats race to the door to meet me I
know
> I must be doing something right.
>
> Tom

k
July 24th 03, 09:19 PM
I made a single post, milder than many.
You've made a half-dozen, merrily flaming
anyone you please, repeatedly in some cases.
Why? Because they don't say exactly what you
want them to say, while their are no restrictions
on what you say, or what language you use.
Rather than take responsibility for your pointless
flaming post, you impotently try to attack yet again.
You should have tired of that game long ago.
You've made it clear you aren't worthwhile. Just
immature and foolish. Go ahead, flex your fingers yet
again, so predictable "Sherry".

(Sherry ) wrote in message >...
> >No I didn't miss it.
> >
> >You took a sentence out of context.
> >
> >The cat didn't die due to the extreme medical
> >condition he mentioned. Its death was as a result
> >of drowning.
> >
> >I asked about what the vet said and did about
> >the condition the cat had before it died.
> >
> And for what purpose do you need this information? To flame the poster some
> more? Sheesh.
>
> Sherry




(k) wrote in message >...
> >>>Someone asked if the cat could jump. Yes, but not well. Enough to jump onto a
> >>>chair or something but thats all. Sometimes it would take 2 tries. Her hind
> >>>legs were getting weak and sometimes going down stairs she would tumble all the
> >>>way down.
>
> Then what did the vet say?
> That is not at all normal for a cat of that age.
>
>
> Most of the suggestions for objects in the pool won't work.
> A cat is in a panic under those circumstances. It would have
> to be a very large, stable, object, which you are unlikely
> to provide, as you referred to some suggestion as "not too much
> trouble, not in the way too much". When/if it happened, the
> cat would have to "happen" onto the object.
>
> The pool should be fenced. For animals, for children.
> People who don't do so find themselves buried in lawsuits
> when the unimagined happens -- a drown kid. A fenced yard
> can definitely be deemed insufficient.
>
>
> Cats aren't known for their aquatic abilities.
> More likely to drown, than "swim". That's pretty basic.
> If I had a cat, and a pool, and saw it drinking from the pool,
> I would immediately worry about what would happen should the
> cat fall in.
>
>
> When you say things like "that's too much trouble" and
> "oh, well, the other cat will just have to take its chances"
> you shouldn't be so surprised when people lean on you a bit.
> They can easily picture the panic that cat felt in the situation
> that led to it's death.
>
> Then there's the calling people "morons", as well as the other
> pointless 4 letter words. Doesn't matter what the situation is, a
> normal well-balanced adult doesn't do that. You didn't use
> reasonable sense in advance of the incident, and you aren't willing
> to do anything about the situation, preferring to just let another
> animal drown if it happens. Rather than take responsibility you've
> gone out on a very juvenile limb trying to justify your position,
> and childishly struck out at others.
>
>
> So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> what medication was prescribed?

k
July 24th 03, 09:19 PM
I made a single post, milder than many.
You've made a half-dozen, merrily flaming
anyone you please, repeatedly in some cases.
Why? Because they don't say exactly what you
want them to say, while their are no restrictions
on what you say, or what language you use.
Rather than take responsibility for your pointless
flaming post, you impotently try to attack yet again.
You should have tired of that game long ago.
You've made it clear you aren't worthwhile. Just
immature and foolish. Go ahead, flex your fingers yet
again, so predictable "Sherry".

(Sherry ) wrote in message >...
> >No I didn't miss it.
> >
> >You took a sentence out of context.
> >
> >The cat didn't die due to the extreme medical
> >condition he mentioned. Its death was as a result
> >of drowning.
> >
> >I asked about what the vet said and did about
> >the condition the cat had before it died.
> >
> And for what purpose do you need this information? To flame the poster some
> more? Sheesh.
>
> Sherry




(k) wrote in message >...
> >>>Someone asked if the cat could jump. Yes, but not well. Enough to jump onto a
> >>>chair or something but thats all. Sometimes it would take 2 tries. Her hind
> >>>legs were getting weak and sometimes going down stairs she would tumble all the
> >>>way down.
>
> Then what did the vet say?
> That is not at all normal for a cat of that age.
>
>
> Most of the suggestions for objects in the pool won't work.
> A cat is in a panic under those circumstances. It would have
> to be a very large, stable, object, which you are unlikely
> to provide, as you referred to some suggestion as "not too much
> trouble, not in the way too much". When/if it happened, the
> cat would have to "happen" onto the object.
>
> The pool should be fenced. For animals, for children.
> People who don't do so find themselves buried in lawsuits
> when the unimagined happens -- a drown kid. A fenced yard
> can definitely be deemed insufficient.
>
>
> Cats aren't known for their aquatic abilities.
> More likely to drown, than "swim". That's pretty basic.
> If I had a cat, and a pool, and saw it drinking from the pool,
> I would immediately worry about what would happen should the
> cat fall in.
>
>
> When you say things like "that's too much trouble" and
> "oh, well, the other cat will just have to take its chances"
> you shouldn't be so surprised when people lean on you a bit.
> They can easily picture the panic that cat felt in the situation
> that led to it's death.
>
> Then there's the calling people "morons", as well as the other
> pointless 4 letter words. Doesn't matter what the situation is, a
> normal well-balanced adult doesn't do that. You didn't use
> reasonable sense in advance of the incident, and you aren't willing
> to do anything about the situation, preferring to just let another
> animal drown if it happens. Rather than take responsibility you've
> gone out on a very juvenile limb trying to justify your position,
> and childishly struck out at others.
>
>
> So, what did the vet say about her condition, what tests did he run,
> what medication was prescribed?

Sherry
July 24th 03, 11:02 PM
>I made a single post, milder than many.
>You've made a half-dozen, merrily flaming
>anyone you please, repeatedly in some cases.
>Why? Because they don't say exactly what you
>want them to say, while their are no restrictions
>on what you say, or what language you use.
>Rather than take responsibility for your pointless
>flaming post, you impotently try to attack yet again.
>You should have tired of that game long ago.
>You've made it clear you aren't worthwhile. Just
>immature and foolish. Go ahead, flex your fingers yet
>again, so predictable "Sherry".

I see. Instead of answering the question, you chose to launch a personal
attack. I'm not flaming, or "impotently" attacking anyone. I am simply
defending someone who is grieving over what was an accident, from you people
who choose to flame-roast her into oblivion. I still don't see the point of
your question, since the cat is dead. Apparently you don't wish to share that.

Sherry

Sherry
July 24th 03, 11:02 PM
>I made a single post, milder than many.
>You've made a half-dozen, merrily flaming
>anyone you please, repeatedly in some cases.
>Why? Because they don't say exactly what you
>want them to say, while their are no restrictions
>on what you say, or what language you use.
>Rather than take responsibility for your pointless
>flaming post, you impotently try to attack yet again.
>You should have tired of that game long ago.
>You've made it clear you aren't worthwhile. Just
>immature and foolish. Go ahead, flex your fingers yet
>again, so predictable "Sherry".

I see. Instead of answering the question, you chose to launch a personal
attack. I'm not flaming, or "impotently" attacking anyone. I am simply
defending someone who is grieving over what was an accident, from you people
who choose to flame-roast her into oblivion. I still don't see the point of
your question, since the cat is dead. Apparently you don't wish to share that.

Sherry

-L.
July 25th 03, 03:41 AM
Arjun Ray > wrote in message >...
> In >,
> (Tlg064) wrote:
> | CatProtector Wrote [his usual insensate babbling]
>
> | Will you get over it.
>
> Trust me, he won't. He can't. He's constitutionally incapable of
> evolving even a single cell of sense between his ears. And so, you
> won't get the last word, because he'll come right back with something
> even more outrageous.
>
> | Get real. Go F yourself.
>
> Please let it go: you will *not* get through to him. Nobody can.
>
> Let me tell you about two incidents. The first one was about a year
> ago, and I was "personally" involved. The second one was earlier.
>
> In the first incident, I posted to the group about a terrible experience
> I had, when I was one of the volunteers helping the ASPCA to clean up a
> collector situation. (It aired as part of episode #214 of the "Animal
> Precinct" show, back in January, BTW.) I wasn't too specific, but I
> posted links to some pictures I had taken. They're here:
>
> http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1063639&uid=514878
>
> Anyway, someone posted that the pictures looked familiar, reminding her
> of an episode she had already seen on Animal Precinct; an understandable
> mistake, given that collector situations are all depressingly similar.
> So I had to clarify that, no, this was actually new, that I had been
> there personally, and that the production crew had said it would air
> some time in the second season.
>
> Well, you'd figure that would settle the matter, no big deal, right? Oh
> no-o-o. Into a thread that was basically over stepped our hero Mr. Cat
> Protector, insisting that the pictures were from that previous episode.
> In other words, he was implying that I was a barefaced liar and that I
> had lifted copyrighted material from the show to boot.
>
> Shame on me, I lost it and gave him the whatfor. My indignant tirade
> had *no* effect whatsoever on our resident village idiot. For the
> obvious reason that nothing can have an effect on him.
>
> The second incident was when someone posted about her desire to adopt
> out her cat. That's a very drastic step to take, and posts like that
> generally don't go down too well in this group. But her circumstances
> were indeed exceptional, and though there was a lot of heat initially,
> just about everyone in the group quickly agreed that finding a new home
> for her cat was the best course of action. You can read the story here:
>
> http://www.ect.org/dj/js-0.html

Wow, what an incedible story. Thanks for posting it, though I'm sorry
it had to be in this context.

-L.

-L.
July 25th 03, 03:41 AM
Arjun Ray > wrote in message >...
> In >,
> (Tlg064) wrote:
> | CatProtector Wrote [his usual insensate babbling]
>
> | Will you get over it.
>
> Trust me, he won't. He can't. He's constitutionally incapable of
> evolving even a single cell of sense between his ears. And so, you
> won't get the last word, because he'll come right back with something
> even more outrageous.
>
> | Get real. Go F yourself.
>
> Please let it go: you will *not* get through to him. Nobody can.
>
> Let me tell you about two incidents. The first one was about a year
> ago, and I was "personally" involved. The second one was earlier.
>
> In the first incident, I posted to the group about a terrible experience
> I had, when I was one of the volunteers helping the ASPCA to clean up a
> collector situation. (It aired as part of episode #214 of the "Animal
> Precinct" show, back in January, BTW.) I wasn't too specific, but I
> posted links to some pictures I had taken. They're here:
>
> http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1063639&uid=514878
>
> Anyway, someone posted that the pictures looked familiar, reminding her
> of an episode she had already seen on Animal Precinct; an understandable
> mistake, given that collector situations are all depressingly similar.
> So I had to clarify that, no, this was actually new, that I had been
> there personally, and that the production crew had said it would air
> some time in the second season.
>
> Well, you'd figure that would settle the matter, no big deal, right? Oh
> no-o-o. Into a thread that was basically over stepped our hero Mr. Cat
> Protector, insisting that the pictures were from that previous episode.
> In other words, he was implying that I was a barefaced liar and that I
> had lifted copyrighted material from the show to boot.
>
> Shame on me, I lost it and gave him the whatfor. My indignant tirade
> had *no* effect whatsoever on our resident village idiot. For the
> obvious reason that nothing can have an effect on him.
>
> The second incident was when someone posted about her desire to adopt
> out her cat. That's a very drastic step to take, and posts like that
> generally don't go down too well in this group. But her circumstances
> were indeed exceptional, and though there was a lot of heat initially,
> just about everyone in the group quickly agreed that finding a new home
> for her cat was the best course of action. You can read the story here:
>
> http://www.ect.org/dj/js-0.html

Wow, what an incedible story. Thanks for posting it, though I'm sorry
it had to be in this context.

-L.