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NEMESIS1IM
January 7th 04, 08:36 AM
Hello-

If you haven't heard about Hartz flea and tick drops, you need to check out the
facts on the links below. Do this for the well being of your pets and to help
other pets.

As most of you are aware there is a petition concerning this grave injustice
being perpetrated by Hartz Mountain Company on the cat and dog loving consumers
and their animals. The petition may be found at this URL
Hartz Dangerous for Pets Petition
http://www.petitiononline.com/hartz/petition.html
HartzVictims.
http://hartzvictims.org/
Against Hartz
http://www.geocities.com/againsthartz/

Thank you!
Regards,

http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/feralfelines/

Bob Brenchley.
January 7th 04, 10:33 AM
On 07 Jan 2004 07:36:36 GMT, (NEMESIS1IM) wrote:

>Hello-
>
>If you haven't heard about Hartz flea and tick drops, you need to check out the
>facts on the links below. Do this for the well being of your pets and to help
>other pets.
>
>As most of you are aware there is a petition concerning this grave injustice
>being perpetrated by Hartz Mountain Company on the cat and dog loving consumers
>and their animals. The petition may be found at this URL

Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.

The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
widely used.

So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
care and responsibility they show.

Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
sensible person who reads the instructions.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

Bob Brenchley.
January 7th 04, 10:33 AM
On 07 Jan 2004 07:36:36 GMT, (NEMESIS1IM) wrote:

>Hello-
>
>If you haven't heard about Hartz flea and tick drops, you need to check out the
>facts on the links below. Do this for the well being of your pets and to help
>other pets.
>
>As most of you are aware there is a petition concerning this grave injustice
>being perpetrated by Hartz Mountain Company on the cat and dog loving consumers
>and their animals. The petition may be found at this URL

Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.

The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
widely used.

So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
care and responsibility they show.

Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
sensible person who reads the instructions.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

Bricklen
January 10th 04, 05:12 AM
Bob Brenchley. wrote:
> Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.
>
> The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
> preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
> widely used.
>
> So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
> being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
> followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
> the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
> in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
> else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
> care and responsibility they show.
>
> Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
> sensible person who reads the instructions.
>

I beg to differ. My wife are both sensible and literate, and read the
instructions carefully on our Hartz flea medicine. We applied LESS than the
prescribed dosage to our four cats, who were all suffering from fleas. (This was
about two months ago, and was purchased from WalMart I believe).

Less than two hours later one of the cats suddenly started convulsing right in
front of us, and he was asleep right before that. We rushed him to the vet,
which was 10 mins away. By the time we arrived his eyes had rolled back in his
head had bit through his tongue, and was shaking violently. The vet gave him
some shots to calm his muscle spasms down so he could relax.

Preliminary tests were conducted, but the results would not be available for at
least a couple of days (it was a Saturday). Jasper's condition was deteriorating
rapidly, and the vet had to keep upping the dosage to try to keep him calm,
although now his eyes were bulging out of his head.

We were faced with a difficult choice: spend at least $600 (on top of the $250
for the current vet bill that we were incurring) or have him put down. The vet
felt that she should not venture an opinion without having analyzed the results
from the test first, so I made the awful decision myself. We had him put down.

We arrived home later that night with heavy hearts to discover that another of
our cats had disappeared, which was odd for her. So next day I went searching
for her.
She was under our sundeck, dead, and looking a lot like Jasper did before we put
him down.

That's two cats dead, and one other who moped around the house for a couple of
days, before regaining her usual spring. Our fourth cat was fine.

Coincidence? Maybe.


I only write this in response to your posting about the FACTS. I never did hear
back about the blood test (if it was ever completed, which I doubt as we didn't
pay for it). Hopefully others will notice signs of distress in their cats if
they use that Hartz product, before it's too late for their pet, too.


Sincerely,

Bricklen

Bricklen
January 10th 04, 05:12 AM
Bob Brenchley. wrote:
> Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.
>
> The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
> preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
> widely used.
>
> So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
> being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
> followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
> the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
> in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
> else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
> care and responsibility they show.
>
> Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
> sensible person who reads the instructions.
>

I beg to differ. My wife are both sensible and literate, and read the
instructions carefully on our Hartz flea medicine. We applied LESS than the
prescribed dosage to our four cats, who were all suffering from fleas. (This was
about two months ago, and was purchased from WalMart I believe).

Less than two hours later one of the cats suddenly started convulsing right in
front of us, and he was asleep right before that. We rushed him to the vet,
which was 10 mins away. By the time we arrived his eyes had rolled back in his
head had bit through his tongue, and was shaking violently. The vet gave him
some shots to calm his muscle spasms down so he could relax.

Preliminary tests were conducted, but the results would not be available for at
least a couple of days (it was a Saturday). Jasper's condition was deteriorating
rapidly, and the vet had to keep upping the dosage to try to keep him calm,
although now his eyes were bulging out of his head.

We were faced with a difficult choice: spend at least $600 (on top of the $250
for the current vet bill that we were incurring) or have him put down. The vet
felt that she should not venture an opinion without having analyzed the results
from the test first, so I made the awful decision myself. We had him put down.

We arrived home later that night with heavy hearts to discover that another of
our cats had disappeared, which was odd for her. So next day I went searching
for her.
She was under our sundeck, dead, and looking a lot like Jasper did before we put
him down.

That's two cats dead, and one other who moped around the house for a couple of
days, before regaining her usual spring. Our fourth cat was fine.

Coincidence? Maybe.


I only write this in response to your posting about the FACTS. I never did hear
back about the blood test (if it was ever completed, which I doubt as we didn't
pay for it). Hopefully others will notice signs of distress in their cats if
they use that Hartz product, before it's too late for their pet, too.


Sincerely,

Bricklen

Bob Brenchley.
January 10th 04, 12:28 PM
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:12:28 GMT, Bricklen >
wrote:

>Bob Brenchley. wrote:
> > Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.
>>
>> The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
>> preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
>> widely used.
>>
>> So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
>> being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
>> followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
>> the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
>> in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
>> else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
>> care and responsibility they show.
>>
>> Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
>> sensible person who reads the instructions.
>>
>
>I beg to differ. My wife are both sensible and literate, and read the
>instructions carefully on our Hartz flea medicine. We applied LESS than the
>prescribed dosage to our four cats, who were all suffering from fleas. (This was
>about two months ago, and was purchased from WalMart I believe).
>
>Less than two hours later one of the cats suddenly started convulsing right in
>front of us, and he was asleep right before that. We rushed him to the vet,
>which was 10 mins away. By the time we arrived his eyes had rolled back in his
>head had bit through his tongue, and was shaking violently. The vet gave him
>some shots to calm his muscle spasms down so he could relax.
>
>Preliminary tests were conducted, but the results would not be available for at
>least a couple of days (it was a Saturday). Jasper's condition was deteriorating
>rapidly, and the vet had to keep upping the dosage to try to keep him calm,
>although now his eyes were bulging out of his head.
>
>We were faced with a difficult choice: spend at least $600 (on top of the $250
>for the current vet bill that we were incurring) or have him put down. The vet
>felt that she should not venture an opinion without having analyzed the results
>from the test first, so I made the awful decision myself. We had him put down.
>
>We arrived home later that night with heavy hearts to discover that another of
>our cats had disappeared, which was odd for her. So next day I went searching
>for her.
>She was under our sundeck, dead, and looking a lot like Jasper did before we put
>him down.
>
>That's two cats dead, and one other who moped around the house for a couple of
>days, before regaining her usual spring. Our fourth cat was fine.
>
>Coincidence? Maybe.
>
>
>I only write this in response to your posting about the FACTS. I never did hear
>back about the blood test (if it was ever completed, which I doubt as we didn't
>pay for it). Hopefully others will notice signs of distress in their cats if
>they use that Hartz product, before it's too late for their pet, too.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bricklen


As I said, Hartz products are perfectly safe if their instructions are
followed. Cats, any cats, can have allergic reactions to anything -
I've nearly lost a cat before with Advantage (generally considered the
safest of the anti-flea products).

The problem here is that you failed to follow the golden rule of all
medicines administered for the first time - watch, watch and keep
watching.

Why your vet was unable to do anything for your cat is totally beyond
me - insecticide poisoning is common enough that he should have had
more than enough experience to have saved your cat.

So. What were the results of the test? What was the verdict of the
autopsy on both cats? After several years of seeing claims like yours
there is still not one credible scientific case for Hartz to answer -
something which I consider very telling.

--
Bob.

In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, "Let there be
Light." And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better.

Bob Brenchley.
January 10th 04, 12:28 PM
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:12:28 GMT, Bricklen >
wrote:

>Bob Brenchley. wrote:
> > Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.
>>
>> The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
>> preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
>> widely used.
>>
>> So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
>> being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
>> followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
>> the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
>> in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
>> else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
>> care and responsibility they show.
>>
>> Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
>> sensible person who reads the instructions.
>>
>
>I beg to differ. My wife are both sensible and literate, and read the
>instructions carefully on our Hartz flea medicine. We applied LESS than the
>prescribed dosage to our four cats, who were all suffering from fleas. (This was
>about two months ago, and was purchased from WalMart I believe).
>
>Less than two hours later one of the cats suddenly started convulsing right in
>front of us, and he was asleep right before that. We rushed him to the vet,
>which was 10 mins away. By the time we arrived his eyes had rolled back in his
>head had bit through his tongue, and was shaking violently. The vet gave him
>some shots to calm his muscle spasms down so he could relax.
>
>Preliminary tests were conducted, but the results would not be available for at
>least a couple of days (it was a Saturday). Jasper's condition was deteriorating
>rapidly, and the vet had to keep upping the dosage to try to keep him calm,
>although now his eyes were bulging out of his head.
>
>We were faced with a difficult choice: spend at least $600 (on top of the $250
>for the current vet bill that we were incurring) or have him put down. The vet
>felt that she should not venture an opinion without having analyzed the results
>from the test first, so I made the awful decision myself. We had him put down.
>
>We arrived home later that night with heavy hearts to discover that another of
>our cats had disappeared, which was odd for her. So next day I went searching
>for her.
>She was under our sundeck, dead, and looking a lot like Jasper did before we put
>him down.
>
>That's two cats dead, and one other who moped around the house for a couple of
>days, before regaining her usual spring. Our fourth cat was fine.
>
>Coincidence? Maybe.
>
>
>I only write this in response to your posting about the FACTS. I never did hear
>back about the blood test (if it was ever completed, which I doubt as we didn't
>pay for it). Hopefully others will notice signs of distress in their cats if
>they use that Hartz product, before it's too late for their pet, too.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bricklen


As I said, Hartz products are perfectly safe if their instructions are
followed. Cats, any cats, can have allergic reactions to anything -
I've nearly lost a cat before with Advantage (generally considered the
safest of the anti-flea products).

The problem here is that you failed to follow the golden rule of all
medicines administered for the first time - watch, watch and keep
watching.

Why your vet was unable to do anything for your cat is totally beyond
me - insecticide poisoning is common enough that he should have had
more than enough experience to have saved your cat.

So. What were the results of the test? What was the verdict of the
autopsy on both cats? After several years of seeing claims like yours
there is still not one credible scientific case for Hartz to answer -
something which I consider very telling.

--
Bob.

In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, "Let there be
Light." And there was still nothing, but you could see a bit better.

m. L. Briggs
January 10th 04, 11:10 PM
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:12:28 GMT, Bricklen >
wrote:

>Bob Brenchley. wrote:
> > Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.
>>
>> The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
>> preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
>> widely used.
>>
>> So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
>> being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
>> followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
>> the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
>> in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
>> else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
>> care and responsibility they show.
>>
>> Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
>> sensible person who reads the instructions.
>>
>
>I beg to differ. My wife are both sensible and literate, and read the
>instructions carefully on our Hartz flea medicine. We applied LESS than the
>prescribed dosage to our four cats, who were all suffering from fleas. (This was
>about two months ago, and was purchased from WalMart I believe).
>
>Less than two hours later one of the cats suddenly started convulsing right in
>front of us, and he was asleep right before that. We rushed him to the vet,
>which was 10 mins away. By the time we arrived his eyes had rolled back in his
>head had bit through his tongue, and was shaking violently. The vet gave him
>some shots to calm his muscle spasms down so he could relax.
>
>Preliminary tests were conducted, but the results would not be available for at
>least a couple of days (it was a Saturday). Jasper's condition was deteriorating
>rapidly, and the vet had to keep upping the dosage to try to keep him calm,
>although now his eyes were bulging out of his head.
>
>We were faced with a difficult choice: spend at least $600 (on top of the $250
>for the current vet bill that we were incurring) or have him put down. The vet
>felt that she should not venture an opinion without having analyzed the results
>from the test first, so I made the awful decision myself. We had him put down.
>
>We arrived home later that night with heavy hearts to discover that another of
>our cats had disappeared, which was odd for her. So next day I went searching
>for her.
>She was under our sundeck, dead, and looking a lot like Jasper did before we put
>him down.
>
>That's two cats dead, and one other who moped around the house for a couple of
>days, before regaining her usual spring. Our fourth cat was fine.
>
>Coincidence? Maybe.
>
>
>I only write this in response to your posting about the FACTS. I never did hear
>back about the blood test (if it was ever completed, which I doubt as we didn't
>pay for it). Hopefully others will notice signs of distress in their cats if
>they use that Hartz product, before it's too late for their pet, too.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bricklen
Did you notify Hartz? If not, do so. Make it certified or
registered mail.

m. L. Briggs
January 10th 04, 11:10 PM
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 04:12:28 GMT, Bricklen >
wrote:

>Bob Brenchley. wrote:
> > Yes - I really think you SHOULD check out the FACTS.
>>
>> The facts are that Hartz produce a wide range of flea/tick
>> preparations, all of which have been widely tested and even more
>> widely used.
>>
>> So far there is not one single scientifically proven case of a pet
>> being harmed by their products when their instructions have been
>> followed. Last year, due to the illiteracy of so many pet owners in
>> the USA, Hartz did a voluntary recall of a lot of anti-flea products
>> in order to repackage them with even clearer instructions. If nothing
>> else, that recall, done at Hartz's own expense, shows the level of
>> care and responsibility they show.
>>
>> Are their products dangerous to our cats - NO, not if used by a
>> sensible person who reads the instructions.
>>
>
>I beg to differ. My wife are both sensible and literate, and read the
>instructions carefully on our Hartz flea medicine. We applied LESS than the
>prescribed dosage to our four cats, who were all suffering from fleas. (This was
>about two months ago, and was purchased from WalMart I believe).
>
>Less than two hours later one of the cats suddenly started convulsing right in
>front of us, and he was asleep right before that. We rushed him to the vet,
>which was 10 mins away. By the time we arrived his eyes had rolled back in his
>head had bit through his tongue, and was shaking violently. The vet gave him
>some shots to calm his muscle spasms down so he could relax.
>
>Preliminary tests were conducted, but the results would not be available for at
>least a couple of days (it was a Saturday). Jasper's condition was deteriorating
>rapidly, and the vet had to keep upping the dosage to try to keep him calm,
>although now his eyes were bulging out of his head.
>
>We were faced with a difficult choice: spend at least $600 (on top of the $250
>for the current vet bill that we were incurring) or have him put down. The vet
>felt that she should not venture an opinion without having analyzed the results
>from the test first, so I made the awful decision myself. We had him put down.
>
>We arrived home later that night with heavy hearts to discover that another of
>our cats had disappeared, which was odd for her. So next day I went searching
>for her.
>She was under our sundeck, dead, and looking a lot like Jasper did before we put
>him down.
>
>That's two cats dead, and one other who moped around the house for a couple of
>days, before regaining her usual spring. Our fourth cat was fine.
>
>Coincidence? Maybe.
>
>
>I only write this in response to your posting about the FACTS. I never did hear
>back about the blood test (if it was ever completed, which I doubt as we didn't
>pay for it). Hopefully others will notice signs of distress in their cats if
>they use that Hartz product, before it's too late for their pet, too.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Bricklen
Did you notify Hartz? If not, do so. Make it certified or
registered mail.

Bricklen
January 10th 04, 11:44 PM
m. L. Briggs wrote:
> Did you notify Hartz? If not, do so. Make it certified or
> registered mail.
We contacted Hartz a couple of weeks later and they requested the toxicology
reports and some other stuff. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, we had no
physical evidence (apart from our dead cats), to back up our claim.

I did however come across this site, and this story in particular, that is
virtually identical to our experience:
http://www.hartzvictims.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49

Bricklen
January 10th 04, 11:44 PM
m. L. Briggs wrote:
> Did you notify Hartz? If not, do so. Make it certified or
> registered mail.
We contacted Hartz a couple of weeks later and they requested the toxicology
reports and some other stuff. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, we had no
physical evidence (apart from our dead cats), to back up our claim.

I did however come across this site, and this story in particular, that is
virtually identical to our experience:
http://www.hartzvictims.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49

Bob Brenchley.
January 11th 04, 12:19 AM
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:44:41 GMT, Bricklen >
wrote:

>m. L. Briggs wrote:
>> Did you notify Hartz? If not, do so. Make it certified or
>> registered mail.
>We contacted Hartz a couple of weeks later and they requested the toxicology
>reports and some other stuff. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, we had no
>physical evidence (apart from our dead cats), to back up our claim.
>
>I did however come across this site, and this story in particular, that is
>virtually identical to our experience:
>http://www.hartzvictims.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49

As I said, there do seem to be a number of people who can't follow
simple instructions.

--
Bob.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why you appear bright until
we hear you talk.

Bob Brenchley.
January 11th 04, 12:19 AM
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:44:41 GMT, Bricklen >
wrote:

>m. L. Briggs wrote:
>> Did you notify Hartz? If not, do so. Make it certified or
>> registered mail.
>We contacted Hartz a couple of weeks later and they requested the toxicology
>reports and some other stuff. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, we had no
>physical evidence (apart from our dead cats), to back up our claim.
>
>I did however come across this site, and this story in particular, that is
>virtually identical to our experience:
>http://www.hartzvictims.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49

As I said, there do seem to be a number of people who can't follow
simple instructions.

--
Bob.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why you appear bright until
we hear you talk.

---MIKE---
January 11th 04, 02:05 PM
It is becoming obvious that Bob has a financial interest in Hartz
products. How much of their stock do you own Bob?


-MIKE

---MIKE---
January 11th 04, 02:05 PM
It is becoming obvious that Bob has a financial interest in Hartz
products. How much of their stock do you own Bob?


-MIKE

Bob Brenchley.
January 11th 04, 05:37 PM
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:05:17 -0500 (EST),
(---MIKE---) wrote:

>It is becoming obvious that Bob has a financial interest in Hartz
>products. How much of their stock do you own Bob?
>
>
None whatsoever.

What I do have an interest in is the truth. And the truth is that
Hartz anti-flea products are save if used as directed.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

Bob Brenchley.
January 11th 04, 05:37 PM
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:05:17 -0500 (EST),
(---MIKE---) wrote:

>It is becoming obvious that Bob has a financial interest in Hartz
>products. How much of their stock do you own Bob?
>
>
None whatsoever.

What I do have an interest in is the truth. And the truth is that
Hartz anti-flea products are save if used as directed.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.