PDA

View Full Version : SO Angry!


Kalyahna
March 18th 04, 12:40 AM
Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a functioning
kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the fluorescent
thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice something
exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and my
absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open the
window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward the
window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open any
windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat out
of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall, under
the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my work
schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that he
did, in fact, leave the window open.

What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I know I
should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help people
contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches of
snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to work,
and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're okay
and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was enough to
find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the cabinets,
much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to squeeze
through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I have
those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you use
the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or rotate
them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to pummel
the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.

MarAzul
March 18th 04, 03:47 AM
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message
...
> Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a
functioning
> kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
> confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the
fluorescent
> thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice
something
> exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds.

First of all.. my heart goes out to you. I'm sure before the anger set in
you were in a state of panic for your cats.

Second.... even if nothing else happens from it, I would *definatly* report
it. Even if you didn't have cats that kind of irresponibility is disgusting.
(as Mary said.. what if you had been robbed??) I don't care what the problem
is, or if I'd have to take a half day at work, I never let anyone in my
apartment without myself or my husband being home. Paranoid? Sure.. But not
only do we have cats in the house, we have guns. It's been my experience
that something always goes wrong if you're not there.

Mar
-------------------------------------
"Did you find the gun?"
"Yeah.. it was in Buffy's underwear drawer. She has nice things."
"Show me."
"Well, I didnt take 'em but there were thongs and regular underpants..."
"Show me then gun!"

-Andrew and The First
-Buffy the Vampire Slayer

MarAzul
March 18th 04, 03:47 AM
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message
...
> Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a
functioning
> kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
> confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the
fluorescent
> thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice
something
> exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds.

First of all.. my heart goes out to you. I'm sure before the anger set in
you were in a state of panic for your cats.

Second.... even if nothing else happens from it, I would *definatly* report
it. Even if you didn't have cats that kind of irresponibility is disgusting.
(as Mary said.. what if you had been robbed??) I don't care what the problem
is, or if I'd have to take a half day at work, I never let anyone in my
apartment without myself or my husband being home. Paranoid? Sure.. But not
only do we have cats in the house, we have guns. It's been my experience
that something always goes wrong if you're not there.

Mar
-------------------------------------
"Did you find the gun?"
"Yeah.. it was in Buffy's underwear drawer. She has nice things."
"Show me."
"Well, I didnt take 'em but there were thongs and regular underpants..."
"Show me then gun!"

-Andrew and The First
-Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Tracy
March 18th 04, 07:50 AM
Probably a good ideal to collar and tag (and microchip) the cats.

Tracy
March 18th 04, 07:50 AM
Probably a good ideal to collar and tag (and microchip) the cats.

IBen Getiner
March 18th 04, 09:50 AM
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message >...
> Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a functioning
> kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
> confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the fluorescent
> thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice something
> exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
> could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
> first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and my
> absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open the
> window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
> relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward the
> window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
> maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
> the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open any
> windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat out
> of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
> runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
> opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
> then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall, under
> the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
> off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
> manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my work
> schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
> if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that he
> did, in fact, leave the window open.
>
> What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I know I
> should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help people
> contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
> trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
> neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches of
> snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to work,
> and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're okay
> and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
> respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was enough to
> find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
> latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
> cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the cabinets,
> much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to squeeze
> through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I have
> those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you use
> the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or rotate
> them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
> slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to pummel
> the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.


If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
authorities come and take them away from you.

IBen Getiner
March 18th 04, 09:50 AM
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message >...
> Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a functioning
> kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
> confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the fluorescent
> thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice something
> exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
> could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
> first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and my
> absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open the
> window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
> relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward the
> window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
> maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
> the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open any
> windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat out
> of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
> runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
> opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
> then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall, under
> the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
> off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
> manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my work
> schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
> if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that he
> did, in fact, leave the window open.
>
> What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I know I
> should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help people
> contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
> trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
> neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches of
> snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to work,
> and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're okay
> and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
> respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was enough to
> find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
> latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
> cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the cabinets,
> much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to squeeze
> through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I have
> those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you use
> the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or rotate
> them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
> slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to pummel
> the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.


If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
authorities come and take them away from you.

Kalyahna
March 18th 04, 03:21 PM
"Tracy" > wrote in message
om...
> Probably a good ideal to collar and tag (and microchip) the cats.

I can do that for MY cats, but I can't do that for the fosters that I have
90% of the time. The shelter offers microchipping now and then for outside
animals, but it's still a point of discussion whether or not it should for
adopted animals (it's not, currently). And I tend to take the cats that
desperately need socialization - so chances are they won't have the courage
to leap out any windows, but if something should scare them so that they do?
Chances are I won't find them before they're picked up as a stray (again) or
killed by a car or a roaming dog or whatnot.

It won't hurt to ask the foster coordinator, though, if it's alright to have
them collared and tagged with shelter info, at the least.

Kalyahna
March 18th 04, 03:21 PM
"Tracy" > wrote in message
om...
> Probably a good ideal to collar and tag (and microchip) the cats.

I can do that for MY cats, but I can't do that for the fosters that I have
90% of the time. The shelter offers microchipping now and then for outside
animals, but it's still a point of discussion whether or not it should for
adopted animals (it's not, currently). And I tend to take the cats that
desperately need socialization - so chances are they won't have the courage
to leap out any windows, but if something should scare them so that they do?
Chances are I won't find them before they're picked up as a stray (again) or
killed by a car or a roaming dog or whatnot.

It won't hurt to ask the foster coordinator, though, if it's alright to have
them collared and tagged with shelter info, at the least.

kilikini
March 18th 04, 03:26 PM
"IBen Getiner" > moronically said:

(snip)

> If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> authorities come and take them away from you.

I can't believe that you just said that! The OP didn't leave the window
open, the repairmen did. She frantically found all of the kitties. Why was
she negligent? What did *she* do wrong besides let those imbeciles into her
apartment, but sometimes you don't have a choice.

Why is Usenet all about arguing with other people? I've been on Usenet for
about 7 years now and have met some wonderful people, have shared some
excellent ideas and advice, but it's getting a little petty. (I'm sure
there will be plenty of flaming going on telling me to just get out.)
Lighten up!

kilikini

kilikini
March 18th 04, 03:26 PM
"IBen Getiner" > moronically said:

(snip)

> If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> authorities come and take them away from you.

I can't believe that you just said that! The OP didn't leave the window
open, the repairmen did. She frantically found all of the kitties. Why was
she negligent? What did *she* do wrong besides let those imbeciles into her
apartment, but sometimes you don't have a choice.

Why is Usenet all about arguing with other people? I've been on Usenet for
about 7 years now and have met some wonderful people, have shared some
excellent ideas and advice, but it's getting a little petty. (I'm sure
there will be plenty of flaming going on telling me to just get out.)
Lighten up!

kilikini

MaryL
March 18th 04, 03:37 PM
"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
>
> "IBen Getiner" > moronically said:
>
> (snip)
>
> > If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> > pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> > authorities come and take them away from you.
>
> I can't believe that you just said that! The OP didn't leave the window
> open, the repairmen did. She frantically found all of the kitties. Why
was
> she negligent? What did *she* do wrong besides let those imbeciles into
her
> apartment, but sometimes you don't have a choice.
>
> Why is Usenet all about arguing with other people? I've been on Usenet
for
> about 7 years now and have met some wonderful people, have shared some
> excellent ideas and advice, but it's getting a little petty. (I'm sure
> there will be plenty of flaming going on telling me to just get out.)
> Lighten up!
>
> kilikini
>
>

No, I don't think anyone is going to flame you and tell you to get out
(except possibly for a troll ...which sometimes happens). The person you
just responded to occasionally provides some useful information, but if you
will check back on some of his previous messages, I think you will find that
he gets his pleasure out of posting deliberately provacative (and
nonsensical) messages.

MaryL

MaryL
March 18th 04, 03:37 PM
"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
>
> "IBen Getiner" > moronically said:
>
> (snip)
>
> > If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> > pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> > authorities come and take them away from you.
>
> I can't believe that you just said that! The OP didn't leave the window
> open, the repairmen did. She frantically found all of the kitties. Why
was
> she negligent? What did *she* do wrong besides let those imbeciles into
her
> apartment, but sometimes you don't have a choice.
>
> Why is Usenet all about arguing with other people? I've been on Usenet
for
> about 7 years now and have met some wonderful people, have shared some
> excellent ideas and advice, but it's getting a little petty. (I'm sure
> there will be plenty of flaming going on telling me to just get out.)
> Lighten up!
>
> kilikini
>
>

No, I don't think anyone is going to flame you and tell you to get out
(except possibly for a troll ...which sometimes happens). The person you
just responded to occasionally provides some useful information, but if you
will check back on some of his previous messages, I think you will find that
he gets his pleasure out of posting deliberately provacative (and
nonsensical) messages.

MaryL

Cat Protector
March 18th 04, 03:41 PM
This sounds like burglery. Did you even call the police to have them come
out an investigate? They could have taken fingerprints and thus caught
whoever did this.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message
...
> Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a
functioning
> kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
> confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the
fluorescent
> thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice
something
> exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
> could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
> first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and
my
> absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open
the
> window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
> relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward
the
> window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
> maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
> the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open
any
> windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat
out
> of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
> runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
> opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
> then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall,
under
> the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
> off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
> manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my
work
> schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
> if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that
he
> did, in fact, leave the window open.
>
> What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I know
I
> should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help people
> contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
> trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
> neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches
of
> snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to work,
> and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're okay
> and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
> respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was enough
to
> find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
> latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
> cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the cabinets,
> much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to
squeeze
> through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I
have
> those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you use
> the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or
rotate
> them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
> slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to
pummel
> the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.
>
>

Cat Protector
March 18th 04, 03:41 PM
This sounds like burglery. Did you even call the police to have them come
out an investigate? They could have taken fingerprints and thus caught
whoever did this.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message
...
> Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a
functioning
> kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
> confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the
fluorescent
> thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice
something
> exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
> could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
> first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and
my
> absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open
the
> window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
> relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward
the
> window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
> maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
> the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open
any
> windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat
out
> of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
> runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
> opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
> then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall,
under
> the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
> off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
> manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my
work
> schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
> if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that
he
> did, in fact, leave the window open.
>
> What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I know
I
> should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help people
> contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
> trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
> neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches
of
> snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to work,
> and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're okay
> and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
> respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was enough
to
> find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
> latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
> cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the cabinets,
> much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to
squeeze
> through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I
have
> those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you use
> the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or
rotate
> them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
> slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to
pummel
> the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.
>
>

whayface
March 18th 04, 05:31 PM
Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to enter the place!!
Very simple.


>Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a functioning
>kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
>confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the fluorescent
>thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice something
>exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
>could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
>first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and my
>absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open the
>window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
>relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward the
>window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
>maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
>the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open any
>windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat out
>of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
>runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
>opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
>then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall, under
>the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
>off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
>manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my work
>schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
>if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that he
>did, in fact, leave the window open.

whayface
March 18th 04, 05:31 PM
Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to enter the place!!
Very simple.


>Okay. So I get home from work today, looking forward to having a functioning
>kitchen light for the first time in a couple of months. I was a little
>confused because it was a ceiling fan, not a replacement of the fluorescent
>thing that had been up there. And then I looked around and notice something
>exceedingly odd. My window was open. WIDE open. So were the blinds. And I
>could only see the one cat, sitting on the bed, watching me. What's the
>first thing I do? Tear around the apartment hunting for my other two, and my
>absolutely petrified foster cat. None of them to be found. I flung open the
>window and yelled 'here kitty kitty kitty' several times, and to my great
>relief, my orange tabby Pandora pops up and meows at me, running toward the
>window. By this time, I had called my landlord because I had requested
>maintenance on the light. The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
>the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't open any
>windows. At that point, I'm outside digging my shaved-a-week-ago new cat out
>of one of those odd gutters built into the ground to keep the earth and
>runoff away from the basement windows. I told the woman my cats don't have
>opposable thumbs, so getting the window open is impossible for them, and
>then hung up on her. I found the foster cat smashed against the wall, under
>the bed, too afraid to move. Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
>off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the complex
>manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office hours and my work
>schedule, that's the first day I have off that they're open). I don't know
>if I want the stupid ******* fired or reprimanded, or just to admit that he
>did, in fact, leave the window open.

MaryL
March 18th 04, 05:40 PM
"whayface" > wrote in message
...
>
> Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to
enter the place!!
> Very simple.
>
>

Not always so simple. When I was renting, I worked and *every* onwe of my
friends also worked. I had no relatives closer than 1300 miles away. There
were some people who lived in the apartment buildings who did not work --
but I did not know them well enough to give them access to my apartment. I
don't have that problem any more because I own my home. Ironically, now I
have a number of friends that I would trust in my home; but please don't be
so quick to assume that it's "simple." It may be in the OP's case, but not
necessarily. We don't know the circumstances.

MaryL

MaryL
March 18th 04, 05:40 PM
"whayface" > wrote in message
...
>
> Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to
enter the place!!
> Very simple.
>
>

Not always so simple. When I was renting, I worked and *every* onwe of my
friends also worked. I had no relatives closer than 1300 miles away. There
were some people who lived in the apartment buildings who did not work --
but I did not know them well enough to give them access to my apartment. I
don't have that problem any more because I own my home. Ironically, now I
have a number of friends that I would trust in my home; but please don't be
so quick to assume that it's "simple." It may be in the OP's case, but not
necessarily. We don't know the circumstances.

MaryL

Tracy
March 18th 04, 06:12 PM
I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
UNCOLLARED. The little cat was smart enough to cling screaming to the
stairway, and we followed the noise and brought it into our apartment
before someone else shooed it away into the night. It lived in our
spare room for three days (where our kitten made goo-goo eyes at it
through the glass door LOL) till she finally came home and saw our
sign and came to get him in tears. If the cat had not been found or
found by someone less patient than us,
it wouldn't have gone well for the cat as there is no space in any
Chicago no-kill shelters AT ALL. With a collar, we would have known
the cat belonged to her and could have left a message on her machine.
It's just the sensible thing to do.

Tracy
March 18th 04, 06:12 PM
I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
UNCOLLARED. The little cat was smart enough to cling screaming to the
stairway, and we followed the noise and brought it into our apartment
before someone else shooed it away into the night. It lived in our
spare room for three days (where our kitten made goo-goo eyes at it
through the glass door LOL) till she finally came home and saw our
sign and came to get him in tears. If the cat had not been found or
found by someone less patient than us,
it wouldn't have gone well for the cat as there is no space in any
Chicago no-kill shelters AT ALL. With a collar, we would have known
the cat belonged to her and could have left a message on her machine.
It's just the sensible thing to do.

Kristine Kochanski
March 18th 04, 06:17 PM
On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:

>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>UNCOLLARED.

I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.

Kristine Kochanski
March 18th 04, 06:17 PM
On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:

>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>UNCOLLARED.

I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.

m. L. Briggs
March 18th 04, 07:49 PM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:17:41 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:

>On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>
>>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>>UNCOLLARED.
>
>I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.

I'm with you on that one. Theyshould have arranged for a caretaker to
come in and feed the cat and scoop the litter. What were they
thinking of (assuming they are able to think at all?)

m. L. Briggs
March 18th 04, 07:49 PM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:17:41 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:

>On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>
>>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>>UNCOLLARED.
>
>I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.

I'm with you on that one. Theyshould have arranged for a caretaker to
come in and feed the cat and scoop the litter. What were they
thinking of (assuming they are able to think at all?)

Kristine Kochanski
March 18th 04, 08:52 PM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:49:05 -0700, m. L. Briggs >
wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:17:41 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:
>
>>On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>>
>>>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>>>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>>>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>>>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>>>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>>>UNCOLLARED.
>>
>>I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>>cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.
>
>I'm with you on that one. Theyshould have arranged for a caretaker to
>come in and feed the cat and scoop the litter. What were they
>thinking of (assuming they are able to think at all?)

Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.

Kristine Kochanski
March 18th 04, 08:52 PM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:49:05 -0700, m. L. Briggs >
wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:17:41 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:
>
>>On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>>
>>>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>>>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>>>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>>>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>>>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>>>UNCOLLARED.
>>
>>I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>>cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.
>
>I'm with you on that one. Theyshould have arranged for a caretaker to
>come in and feed the cat and scoop the litter. What were they
>thinking of (assuming they are able to think at all?)

Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.

Tracy
March 19th 04, 12:06 AM
Kristine Kochanski > wrote in message >...

> I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
> cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.

The point is that the cat was almost a dead little thing because he
DIDN'T have a collar on.

Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
unusual. Me, I would pay for a cat sitter. But this was on the South
Side of Chicago years ago, and people are not particulary well off in
that neighborhood. They were clearly attached to each other and the
kitty was healthy and happy (by day 3 -she was making googly eyes back
at my kitten through the glass)...

Tracy
March 19th 04, 12:06 AM
Kristine Kochanski > wrote in message >...

> I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
> cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.

The point is that the cat was almost a dead little thing because he
DIDN'T have a collar on.

Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
unusual. Me, I would pay for a cat sitter. But this was on the South
Side of Chicago years ago, and people are not particulary well off in
that neighborhood. They were clearly attached to each other and the
kitty was healthy and happy (by day 3 -she was making googly eyes back
at my kitten through the glass)...

Cheryl
March 19th 04, 12:10 AM
"Kalyahna" > dumped this in
on 17 Mar 2004:

> Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
> off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the
> complex manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office
> hours and my work schedule, that's the first day I have off that
> they're open). I don't know if I want the stupid ******* fired or
> reprimanded, or just to admit that he did, in fact, leave the window
> open.
>

<snip>

I'm glad everyone was ok and accounted for. I understand your anger over
this; I used to rent, and maintenance people seemed to let themselves in,
come and go as they pleased and it infuriated me, too. One time one of
them even let himself in while I was home but back in the bedroom and if
he knocked, I didn't hear him. He walked in on me changing my clothes.
That was it. I insisted to the front office that they not let them in
like that or I'd press charges.

--
Cheryl


I am a very happy person. It's just that I have no patients for
stupidity.
- IBen Getiner

Cheryl
March 19th 04, 12:10 AM
"Kalyahna" > dumped this in
on 17 Mar 2004:

> Everybody's alright, though I'm still ****ed
> off about it, and wondering how far I take this. I'll talk to the
> complex manager on Monday (I don't have any choice, between office
> hours and my work schedule, that's the first day I have off that
> they're open). I don't know if I want the stupid ******* fired or
> reprimanded, or just to admit that he did, in fact, leave the window
> open.
>

<snip>

I'm glad everyone was ok and accounted for. I understand your anger over
this; I used to rent, and maintenance people seemed to let themselves in,
come and go as they pleased and it infuriated me, too. One time one of
them even let himself in while I was home but back in the bedroom and if
he knocked, I didn't hear him. He walked in on me changing my clothes.
That was it. I insisted to the front office that they not let them in
like that or I'd press charges.

--
Cheryl


I am a very happy person. It's just that I have no patients for
stupidity.
- IBen Getiner

m. L. Briggs
March 19th 04, 12:55 AM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:52:05 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:49:05 -0700, m. L. Briggs >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:17:41 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>>>>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>>>>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>>>>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>>>>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>>>>UNCOLLARED.
>>>
>>>I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>>>cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.
>>
>>I'm with you on that one. Theyshould have arranged for a caretaker to
>>come in and feed the cat and scoop the litter. What were they
>>thinking of (assuming they are able to think at all?)
>
>Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
>company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
>they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
>greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
>coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
>Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.

I have always made it a point to tell them "I'll be back". Princess
(RB) would be waiting at the door for me. TuTu usually sleeps in her
cuddle bed until I return. If I forget to tell her when I leave, she
usually is waiting at the door.

m. L. Briggs
March 19th 04, 12:55 AM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:52:05 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:49:05 -0700, m. L. Briggs >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:17:41 +0000, Kristine Kochanski
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 18 Mar 2004 10:12:42 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm really glad the cats are OK and sorry for your mental anguish, but
>>>>really, again, get something positive out of the situation and collar
>>>>and tag the cats. Stuff happens. When we lived in an apartment in
>>>>Chicago, one of my neighbors had her indoor cat (young, about a year)
>>>>slip out the door unnoticed when she went away for the weekend
>>>>UNCOLLARED.
>>>
>>>I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>>>cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.
>>
>>I'm with you on that one. Theyshould have arranged for a caretaker to
>>come in and feed the cat and scoop the litter. What were they
>>thinking of (assuming they are able to think at all?)
>
>Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
>company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
>they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
>greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
>coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
>Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.

I have always made it a point to tell them "I'll be back". Princess
(RB) would be waiting at the door for me. TuTu usually sleeps in her
cuddle bed until I return. If I forget to tell her when I leave, she
usually is waiting at the door.

Penelope Baker
March 19th 04, 12:59 AM
I am SO thankful your kitties were OK. I can't imagine what I would have
done in your shoes, but it would NOT have been pretty!

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

Penelope Baker
March 19th 04, 12:59 AM
I am SO thankful your kitties were OK. I can't imagine what I would have
done in your shoes, but it would NOT have been pretty!

--
Peace,
Pen
--
Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats!
http://www.pawbreakers.com

Steve G
March 19th 04, 01:02 AM
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message >...
> "Tracy" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Probably a good ideal to collar and tag (and microchip) the cats.
>
> I can do that for MY cats, but I can't do that for the fosters that I have
> 90% of the time.

Why not?

Steve.

Steve G
March 19th 04, 01:02 AM
"Kalyahna" > wrote in message >...
> "Tracy" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Probably a good ideal to collar and tag (and microchip) the cats.
>
> I can do that for MY cats, but I can't do that for the fosters that I have
> 90% of the time.

Why not?

Steve.

JoJo
March 19th 04, 01:12 AM
> > I can do that for MY cats, but I can't do that for the fosters that I
have
> > 90% of the time.
>
> Why not?
>
Because she has no ownership rights to the cats, they belong to the shelter
she fosters for. Up to shelter if they want to microchip. If it's not a
no-kill and they euthanize, it would be a waste of money for them to
microchip an animal that doesn't get adopted (sad but true). Small shelters
may not have money to microchip. I foster for a no-kill, they microchip the
day they get fixed.

JoJo
March 19th 04, 01:12 AM
> > I can do that for MY cats, but I can't do that for the fosters that I
have
> > 90% of the time.
>
> Why not?
>
Because she has no ownership rights to the cats, they belong to the shelter
she fosters for. Up to shelter if they want to microchip. If it's not a
no-kill and they euthanize, it would be a waste of money for them to
microchip an animal that doesn't get adopted (sad but true). Small shelters
may not have money to microchip. I foster for a no-kill, they microchip the
day they get fixed.

Cat Protector
March 19th 04, 04:21 AM
How is a cat considered an it? Shouldn't the cat be considered a he or a
she? As for them having no concept on whether or not you're coming back, I
think they very much know when you are coming back. I tell mine all the time
that I am coming back when I am leaving.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message

> Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
> company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
> they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
> greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
> coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
> Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.

Cat Protector
March 19th 04, 04:21 AM
How is a cat considered an it? Shouldn't the cat be considered a he or a
she? As for them having no concept on whether or not you're coming back, I
think they very much know when you are coming back. I tell mine all the time
that I am coming back when I am leaving.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message

> Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
> company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
> they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
> greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
> coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
> Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.

Mary
March 19th 04, 04:24 AM
"Laura R." > wrote in
message .. .
> circa Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:40:38 -0600, in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Kalyahna ) said,
> > The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
> > the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't
open any
> > windows.
> >
> At which point, I'd ask her how the management company plans to
> address the apparent problem of my magically self-opening windows,
> then.
>

Heh. Excellent point. The sleazeballs are trying to cover their
*sses by making the tenant feel she is suspected of leaving
the windows open. And why the hell would she? I rented for
such a long time, but I hope never again.

Mary
March 19th 04, 04:24 AM
"Laura R." > wrote in
message .. .
> circa Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:40:38 -0600, in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Kalyahna ) said,
> > The receptionist calls back to tell me that both
> > the maintenance man and the maintenance manager insist THEY didn't
open any
> > windows.
> >
> At which point, I'd ask her how the management company plans to
> address the apparent problem of my magically self-opening windows,
> then.
>

Heh. Excellent point. The sleazeballs are trying to cover their
*sses by making the tenant feel she is suspected of leaving
the windows open. And why the hell would she? I rented for
such a long time, but I hope never again.

IBen Getiner
March 19th 04, 05:36 AM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> This sounds like burglery. Did you even call the police to have them come
> out an investigate? They could have taken fingerprints and thus caught
> whoever did this.
>
> --


The warped judges would just let them go and they'd come right back
and do it again, most likely. And since when did you become Elliot
Ness? You sound more than a little guilty to me. Had some experience
with sheriff detectives, have you..?

P.S. Been to SF to get married yet?


IBen G.

IBen Getiner
March 19th 04, 05:36 AM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> This sounds like burglery. Did you even call the police to have them come
> out an investigate? They could have taken fingerprints and thus caught
> whoever did this.
>
> --


The warped judges would just let them go and they'd come right back
and do it again, most likely. And since when did you become Elliot
Ness? You sound more than a little guilty to me. Had some experience
with sheriff detectives, have you..?

P.S. Been to SF to get married yet?


IBen G.

IBen Getiner
March 19th 04, 05:38 AM
"kilikini" > wrote in message >...
> "IBen Getiner" > moronically said:
>
> (snip)
>
> > If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> > pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> > authorities come and take them away from you.
>
> I can't believe that you just said that! The OP didn't leave the window
> open, the repairmen did. She frantically found all of the kitties. Why was
> she negligent? What did *she* do wrong besides let those imbeciles into her
> apartment, but sometimes you don't have a choice.
>
> Why is Usenet all about arguing with other people? I've been on Usenet for
> about 7 years now and have met some wonderful people, have shared some
> excellent ideas and advice, but it's getting a little petty. (I'm sure
> there will be plenty of flaming going on telling me to just get out.)
> Lighten up!
>
> kilikini


It's true and you know it, KK.


IBen G.

IBen Getiner
March 19th 04, 05:38 AM
"kilikini" > wrote in message >...
> "IBen Getiner" > moronically said:
>
> (snip)
>
> > If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> > pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> > authorities come and take them away from you.
>
> I can't believe that you just said that! The OP didn't leave the window
> open, the repairmen did. She frantically found all of the kitties. Why was
> she negligent? What did *she* do wrong besides let those imbeciles into her
> apartment, but sometimes you don't have a choice.
>
> Why is Usenet all about arguing with other people? I've been on Usenet for
> about 7 years now and have met some wonderful people, have shared some
> excellent ideas and advice, but it's getting a little petty. (I'm sure
> there will be plenty of flaming going on telling me to just get out.)
> Lighten up!
>
> kilikini


It's true and you know it, KK.


IBen G.

Hailey
March 19th 04, 08:33 AM
> > What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I
know I
> > should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help
people
> > contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
> > trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
> > neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches
of
> > snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to
work,
> > and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're
okay
> > and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
> > respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was
enough to
> > find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
> > latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
> > cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the
cabinets,
> > much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to
squeeze
> > through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I
have
> > those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you
use
> > the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or
rotate
> > them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
> > slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to
pummel
> > the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.
>
>
> If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> authorities come and take them away from you.


Did you even read her post, you moron?? Unbelievable! you, not her post.

Hailey
March 19th 04, 08:33 AM
> > What makes me so angry is that I work for a humane society... yes, I
know I
> > should have them all collared and tagged, but collars and tags help
people
> > contact the owner, they don't prevent the cat from getting into all the
> > trouble they can get into when allowed outside in an admittedly bad
> > neighborhood... so I'm aware of all these risks... but there were inches
of
> > snow on the ground this morning! It was below freezing on my way to
work,
> > and not much better than that on my way home. I'm so grateful they're
okay
> > and they were smart enough not to go far and they were smart enough to
> > respond when I called (all Peaches did was meow loudly, but it was
enough to
> > find her)... but I'm SO furious that they lied! I mean, the window has a
> > latch that you have to lift and hold while you're opening the window. My
> > cats, smart as they are, don't tend to cooperate to get into the
cabinets,
> > much less open a friggin' window. Any cat that wants out is going to
squeeze
> > through the smallest space, not open it three feet wide first. Plus, I
have
> > those lovely venetian blinds that only open or close or rotate if you
use
> > the hangy-turny thing to do so, and my cats can't open the blinds or
rotate
> > them the opposite direction of the way -I- always turn them (so that the
> > slits of light don't reflect on the computer screen). AUGH! I want to
pummel
> > the man into a leaking mass of bloody goo.
>
>
> If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> authorities come and take them away from you.


Did you even read her post, you moron?? Unbelievable! you, not her post.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 10:10 AM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:21:47 -0700, "Cat Protector"
> wrote:

>How is a cat considered an it? Shouldn't the cat be considered a he or a
>she?

The 'it' was the cat in the anecdote, as it was referred to as 'it' I
have no concept of its sexuality/sex/gender.

> As for them having no concept on whether or not you're coming back, I
>think they very much know when you are coming back. I tell mine all the time
>that I am coming back when I am leaving.

Er, yes, and they understand English do they? And can think in human
spatial terms?? You only have to look at a cat hiding behind behind
something - it thinks cos you can't see it, it can't see you! I tell
my cats I'm going out, and sometimes they're sitting at the door when
I come back. Then again, they spend hours sitting staring at the door
when I'm *in* so that's not a very good gauge of their understanding.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 10:10 AM
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:21:47 -0700, "Cat Protector"
> wrote:

>How is a cat considered an it? Shouldn't the cat be considered a he or a
>she?

The 'it' was the cat in the anecdote, as it was referred to as 'it' I
have no concept of its sexuality/sex/gender.

> As for them having no concept on whether or not you're coming back, I
>think they very much know when you are coming back. I tell mine all the time
>that I am coming back when I am leaving.

Er, yes, and they understand English do they? And can think in human
spatial terms?? You only have to look at a cat hiding behind behind
something - it thinks cos you can't see it, it can't see you! I tell
my cats I'm going out, and sometimes they're sitting at the door when
I come back. Then again, they spend hours sitting staring at the door
when I'm *in* so that's not a very good gauge of their understanding.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 10:11 AM
On 18 Mar 2004 16:06:53 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:

>Kristine Kochanski > wrote in message >...
>
>> I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>> cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.
>
>The point is that the cat was almost a dead little thing because he
>DIDN'T have a collar on.
>
>Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>unusual.

It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
don't have 'em.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 10:11 AM
On 18 Mar 2004 16:06:53 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:

>Kristine Kochanski > wrote in message >...
>
>> I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and left a
>> cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil thing.
>
>The point is that the cat was almost a dead little thing because he
>DIDN'T have a collar on.
>
>Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>unusual.

It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
don't have 'em.

Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
March 19th 04, 11:04 AM
Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
> >Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
> >unusual.
>
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.

Please don't turn this into another indoor/outdoor debate. Your opinion
is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make opposite opinions
invalid, especially not when they're backed up with evidence.
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
March 19th 04, 11:04 AM
Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
> >Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
> >unusual.
>
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.

Please don't turn this into another indoor/outdoor debate. Your opinion
is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make opposite opinions
invalid, especially not when they're backed up with evidence.
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

nimue
March 19th 04, 11:45 AM
IBen Getiner wrote:
snip
>
>
> If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> authorities come and take them away from you.

Um, would those be the same people in the white coats who have so often come
to collect you? Trust me -- they don't want her. You are the one who needs
to fear the authorities.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 19th 04, 11:45 AM
IBen Getiner wrote:
snip
>
>
> If you continue to demonstrate this kind of negligence regarding your
> pets, there are people here who will see to it that the proper
> authorities come and take them away from you.

Um, would those be the same people in the white coats who have so often come
to collect you? Trust me -- they don't want her. You are the one who needs
to fear the authorities.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 19th 04, 11:49 AM
Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2004 16:06:53 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>
>> Kristine Kochanski > wrote in message
>> >...
>>
>>> I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and
>>> left a cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil
>>> thing.
>>
>> The point is that the cat was almost a dead little thing because he
>> DIDN'T have a collar on.
>>
>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>> unusual.
>
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.

Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend? If you
leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem is. Maybe
I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this many times, as
have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital, but she has
left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if the cat is
healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 19th 04, 11:49 AM
Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2004 16:06:53 -0800, (Tracy) wrote:
>
>> Kristine Kochanski > wrote in message
>> >...
>>
>>> I'd be more concerned someone went away for a whole weekend and
>>> left a cat alone. I wouldn't have given her the cat back! Poor lil
>>> thing.
>>
>> The point is that the cat was almost a dead little thing because he
>> DIDN'T have a collar on.
>>
>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>> unusual.
>
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.

Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend? If you
leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem is. Maybe
I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this many times, as
have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital, but she has
left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if the cat is
healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 12:02 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> wrote:

>Kristine Kochanski wrote:
>>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>>> unusual.
>>
>> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
>> don't have 'em.
>
>Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend?

Absolutely.

> If you
>leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem is. Maybe
>I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this many times, as
>have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital, but she has
>left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if the cat is
>healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?

The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you like
to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?! Would
you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
enough food and water? I don't think so.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 12:02 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> wrote:

>Kristine Kochanski wrote:
>>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>>> unusual.
>>
>> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
>> don't have 'em.
>
>Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend?

Absolutely.

> If you
>leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem is. Maybe
>I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this many times, as
>have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital, but she has
>left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if the cat is
>healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?

The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you like
to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?! Would
you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
enough food and water? I don't think so.

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
March 19th 04, 01:01 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> > wrote:
>
> >Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> >>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
> >>> unusual.
> >>
> >> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> >> don't have 'em.
> >
> >Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend?
>
> Absolutely.
>
> > If you
> >leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem is.
Maybe
> >I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this many times,
as
> >have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital, but she
has
> >left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if the cat
is
> >healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?
>
> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you like
> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?! Would
> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
> enough food and water? I don't think so.

Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child spayed or
neutered? Would you have a young child tattoed and microchipped should s/he
become lost? Should I not even be leaving my cat home unattended while I go
to work for the day? I certainly wouldn't leave a child alone in that
situation so according to your analogy, I shouldn't leave my cat during the
day, either. I would send a child to school--should I send my cat to
school, too?

The child/cat analogy is one of the silliest ones to use when trying to make
a point. Fact is, cats and humans are very different. Cats are far more
self-sufficient than young children and far more independent. And not all
cats need company and stimulation. Some prefer very much to be left alone
as much as possible.

That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for two
days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet asap.
If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?

rona (happy Kitty has a vacation home)

--
***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!***

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
March 19th 04, 01:01 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> > wrote:
>
> >Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> >>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
> >>> unusual.
> >>
> >> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> >> don't have 'em.
> >
> >Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend?
>
> Absolutely.
>
> > If you
> >leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem is.
Maybe
> >I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this many times,
as
> >have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital, but she
has
> >left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if the cat
is
> >healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?
>
> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you like
> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?! Would
> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
> enough food and water? I don't think so.

Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child spayed or
neutered? Would you have a young child tattoed and microchipped should s/he
become lost? Should I not even be leaving my cat home unattended while I go
to work for the day? I certainly wouldn't leave a child alone in that
situation so according to your analogy, I shouldn't leave my cat during the
day, either. I would send a child to school--should I send my cat to
school, too?

The child/cat analogy is one of the silliest ones to use when trying to make
a point. Fact is, cats and humans are very different. Cats are far more
self-sufficient than young children and far more independent. And not all
cats need company and stimulation. Some prefer very much to be left alone
as much as possible.

That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for two
days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet asap.
If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?

rona (happy Kitty has a vacation home)

--
***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!***

Cat Protector
March 19th 04, 01:53 PM
Well if you have two cats then what is wrong with leaving the cats alone for
a couple of days as long as they have plenty of food and water? Of course
with me when I have gone away for a weekend I still have a family member
come over to check on my cats.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.
>

Cat Protector
March 19th 04, 01:53 PM
Well if you have two cats then what is wrong with leaving the cats alone for
a couple of days as long as they have plenty of food and water? Of course
with me when I have gone away for a weekend I still have a family member
come over to check on my cats.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.
>

Cat Protector
March 19th 04, 02:00 PM
I believe they do. My cats when I go away are right there to greet me when I
get home. Unlike yours they will not stare at the door when I am home. Of
course cats spend some time on the astral plane so maybe your cats are
watching the door for visitors.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...

> Er, yes, and they understand English do they? And can think in human
> spatial terms?? You only have to look at a cat hiding behind behind
> something - it thinks cos you can't see it, it can't see you! I tell
> my cats I'm going out, and sometimes they're sitting at the door when
> I come back. Then again, they spend hours sitting staring at the door
> when I'm *in* so that's not a very good gauge of their understanding.

Cat Protector
March 19th 04, 02:00 PM
I believe they do. My cats when I go away are right there to greet me when I
get home. Unlike yours they will not stare at the door when I am home. Of
course cats spend some time on the astral plane so maybe your cats are
watching the door for visitors.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...

> Er, yes, and they understand English do they? And can think in human
> spatial terms?? You only have to look at a cat hiding behind behind
> something - it thinks cos you can't see it, it can't see you! I tell
> my cats I'm going out, and sometimes they're sitting at the door when
> I come back. Then again, they spend hours sitting staring at the door
> when I'm *in* so that's not a very good gauge of their understanding.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 02:10 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:04:26 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
> wrote:

>Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
>> >Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>> >unusual.
>>
>> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
>> don't have 'em.
>
>Please don't turn this into another indoor/outdoor debate. Your opinion
>is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make opposite opinions
>invalid, especially not when they're backed up with evidence.

Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly I
wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
owner and I'm entitled to express it.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 02:10 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:04:26 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
> wrote:

>Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
>> >Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>> >unusual.
>>
>> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
>> don't have 'em.
>
>Please don't turn this into another indoor/outdoor debate. Your opinion
>is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make opposite opinions
>invalid, especially not when they're backed up with evidence.

Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly I
wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
owner and I'm entitled to express it.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 02:23 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> wrote:

>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
>> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you like
>> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?! Would
>> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
>> enough food and water? I don't think so.
>
>Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child spayed or
>neutered?

If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look after
its offspring, yes.

>Would you have a young child tattoed and microchipped should s/he
>become lost?

Um.. some people already do have their children chipped and it'll
probably become more widespread in coming years if paranoia escalates
at current level.

> Should I not even be leaving my cat home unattended while I go
>to work for the day?

Sorry, I just happen to believe a cat should not be locked in a house
alone all day and night. I've deliberately chosen a career where I can
work from home because my cats' welfare is important to me. I like to
be able to keep an eye on them, feed them, play with them when it
suits them. If I had other priorities I'd have to reconsider whether
cats were the right pet for me. Obviously it depends on the individual
cat - like you say some like solidarity, but on the whole I think it's
better to have at least 2 for feline companionship.

Going off on a tangent slightly, but yes, cats can look after
themselves to a degree, single dogs though, I believe, really should
not be shut in a room all day while the family go out to work. Yes,
millions of people do it, but that doesn't make it right. Then they
wonder why the dog howls and destroys the furnishings... jeez, it's
not rocket science.

> I certainly wouldn't leave a child alone in that
>situation so according to your analogy, I shouldn't leave my cat during the
>day, either. I would send a child to school--should I send my cat to
>school, too?

I'd love to send my cats to a cat-school! ;-)

>The child/cat analogy is one of the silliest ones to use when trying to make
>a point. Fact is, cats and humans are very different.

Indeed. Cats are not humans, so you can't say 'mummy won't be back til
5pm so behave now' and expect them to go 'ok, I'll just sit here and
sleep for 8 hours til you come back'.

>That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for two
>days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
>With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet asap.
>If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?

Exactly.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 02:23 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> wrote:

>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
>> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you like
>> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?! Would
>> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
>> enough food and water? I don't think so.
>
>Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child spayed or
>neutered?

If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look after
its offspring, yes.

>Would you have a young child tattoed and microchipped should s/he
>become lost?

Um.. some people already do have their children chipped and it'll
probably become more widespread in coming years if paranoia escalates
at current level.

> Should I not even be leaving my cat home unattended while I go
>to work for the day?

Sorry, I just happen to believe a cat should not be locked in a house
alone all day and night. I've deliberately chosen a career where I can
work from home because my cats' welfare is important to me. I like to
be able to keep an eye on them, feed them, play with them when it
suits them. If I had other priorities I'd have to reconsider whether
cats were the right pet for me. Obviously it depends on the individual
cat - like you say some like solidarity, but on the whole I think it's
better to have at least 2 for feline companionship.

Going off on a tangent slightly, but yes, cats can look after
themselves to a degree, single dogs though, I believe, really should
not be shut in a room all day while the family go out to work. Yes,
millions of people do it, but that doesn't make it right. Then they
wonder why the dog howls and destroys the furnishings... jeez, it's
not rocket science.

> I certainly wouldn't leave a child alone in that
>situation so according to your analogy, I shouldn't leave my cat during the
>day, either. I would send a child to school--should I send my cat to
>school, too?

I'd love to send my cats to a cat-school! ;-)

>The child/cat analogy is one of the silliest ones to use when trying to make
>a point. Fact is, cats and humans are very different.

Indeed. Cats are not humans, so you can't say 'mummy won't be back til
5pm so behave now' and expect them to go 'ok, I'll just sit here and
sleep for 8 hours til you come back'.

>That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for two
>days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
>With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet asap.
>If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?

Exactly.

kilikini
March 19th 04, 02:36 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> > wrote:
>

(snip)

> Obviously it depends on the individual
> cat - like you say some like solidarity, but on the whole I think it's
> better to have at least 2 for feline companionship.

Unless they're like my cats who hate each other. I thought, yeah, take on
two, they'll be pals. Was I WRONG.

> Going off on a tangent slightly, but yes, cats can look after
> themselves to a degree, single dogs though, I believe, really should
> not be shut in a room all day while the family go out to work. Yes,
> millions of people do it, but that doesn't make it right. Then they
> wonder why the dog howls and destroys the furnishings... jeez, it's
> not rocket science.
>

Dogs definitely need way more attention than cats do. Being a dog and a cat
owner, my dog is way more demanding of my time.

(snip)

> >That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for
two
> >days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
> >With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet
asap.
> >If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?
>
> Exactly.

I've gone inter-island for a weekend and left my cats with two huge bowls of
food and water. Had to leave the doggy at my friend's house tho. I came
home, the cats were fine, just a little ****ed that I left. In the 8 years
I've had them, I've only done this *1* time. Things were fine. My
doggy-sitter did have a key to the house and went to check on the cats at
least once during my absence so I wasn't that worried.

kili

kilikini
March 19th 04, 02:36 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> > wrote:
>

(snip)

> Obviously it depends on the individual
> cat - like you say some like solidarity, but on the whole I think it's
> better to have at least 2 for feline companionship.

Unless they're like my cats who hate each other. I thought, yeah, take on
two, they'll be pals. Was I WRONG.

> Going off on a tangent slightly, but yes, cats can look after
> themselves to a degree, single dogs though, I believe, really should
> not be shut in a room all day while the family go out to work. Yes,
> millions of people do it, but that doesn't make it right. Then they
> wonder why the dog howls and destroys the furnishings... jeez, it's
> not rocket science.
>

Dogs definitely need way more attention than cats do. Being a dog and a cat
owner, my dog is way more demanding of my time.

(snip)

> >That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for
two
> >days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
> >With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet
asap.
> >If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?
>
> Exactly.

I've gone inter-island for a weekend and left my cats with two huge bowls of
food and water. Had to leave the doggy at my friend's house tho. I came
home, the cats were fine, just a little ****ed that I left. In the 8 years
I've had them, I've only done this *1* time. Things were fine. My
doggy-sitter did have a key to the house and went to check on the cats at
least once during my absence so I wasn't that worried.

kili

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 02:45 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:36:04 GMT, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> Obviously it depends on the individual
>> cat - like you say some like solidarity, but on the whole I think it's
>> better to have at least 2 for feline companionship.
>
>Unless they're like my cats who hate each other. I thought, yeah, take on
>two, they'll be pals. Was I WRONG.

Heheh, been down that road... Best to take on 2 littermates, though
even that can be a disaster, especially if they're both males ;-)

>> >That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for
>two
>> >days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
>> >With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet
>asap.
>> >If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>I've gone inter-island for a weekend and left my cats with two huge bowls of
>food and water. Had to leave the doggy at my friend's house tho. I came
>home, the cats were fine, just a little ****ed that I left.

Yeah, they do get ****ed at you. Once, when I had one cat (she was
very antisocial and refused companions), I thought it would be ok to
put her in a cattery for the weekend when I had to go away. Shelter
looked lovely to me... But when I came back she was SO annoyed at me
and made me feel guilty all week! I still feel guilty about it now and
it was 10 years ago! I always get someone I trust to catsit for me
now, the guilt was too much!

My aunt always had someone come to feed the cat and let it out when
she went off for her fortnight's holiday - so the person would come
twice a day and let the cat in or out and feed it... so the cat was
either in or out for 12 hours of the day with no access to the other
enviroment. I found that absolutely appaling - but 'cats can look
after themselves'... Like I say, some things other pet owners do very
much upset me, but then, some things people do in general just annoy
me ;-)

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 02:45 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:36:04 GMT, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> Obviously it depends on the individual
>> cat - like you say some like solidarity, but on the whole I think it's
>> better to have at least 2 for feline companionship.
>
>Unless they're like my cats who hate each other. I thought, yeah, take on
>two, they'll be pals. Was I WRONG.

Heheh, been down that road... Best to take on 2 littermates, though
even that can be a disaster, especially if they're both males ;-)

>> >That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone for
>two
>> >days would be because she might become sick or injured during that time.
>> >With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the vet
>asap.
>> >If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>I've gone inter-island for a weekend and left my cats with two huge bowls of
>food and water. Had to leave the doggy at my friend's house tho. I came
>home, the cats were fine, just a little ****ed that I left.

Yeah, they do get ****ed at you. Once, when I had one cat (she was
very antisocial and refused companions), I thought it would be ok to
put her in a cattery for the weekend when I had to go away. Shelter
looked lovely to me... But when I came back she was SO annoyed at me
and made me feel guilty all week! I still feel guilty about it now and
it was 10 years ago! I always get someone I trust to catsit for me
now, the guilt was too much!

My aunt always had someone come to feed the cat and let it out when
she went off for her fortnight's holiday - so the person would come
twice a day and let the cat in or out and feed it... so the cat was
either in or out for 12 hours of the day with no access to the other
enviroment. I found that absolutely appaling - but 'cats can look
after themselves'... Like I say, some things other pet owners do very
much upset me, but then, some things people do in general just annoy
me ;-)

MaryL
March 19th 04, 02:48 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> How is a cat considered an it? Shouldn't the cat be considered a he or a
> she? As for them having no concept on whether or not you're coming back, I
> think they very much know when you are coming back. I tell mine all the
time
> that I am coming back when I am leaving.
>
> --
> Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
> www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek
>
> Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
> www.catgalaxymedia.com
> "Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
>
> > Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
> > company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
> > they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
> > greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
> > coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
> > Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.
>
>

My cats *always* greet me at the door when I arrive home, but they *never*
sit watching the door when I am home. My parents used to spend part of the
winter with me (both of my parents after their retirement and prior to my
father's death; then my mother lived with me for 5 years but is now
incapacitated and in a nursing home). They swore that my cats (Holly and
her prececessor, Amber) could somehow hear the sound of my car even before I
pulled into the driveway because they would come running at full speed from
wherever they were. A couple of minutes later, I would find Holly or Amber
(I adopted Holly after Amber died) waiting at the door for me. I had a
flexible time schedule, so this wasn't based on "estimated time of arrival,"
but they also were not sitting around all day waiting by the door. Now
Holly and Duffy do the same thing, and I find the two of them together
waiting to greet me. I don't know how they do it, but it's a truly
endearing quality.

MaryL

MaryL
March 19th 04, 02:48 PM
"Cat Protector" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> How is a cat considered an it? Shouldn't the cat be considered a he or a
> she? As for them having no concept on whether or not you're coming back, I
> think they very much know when you are coming back. I tell mine all the
time
> that I am coming back when I am leaving.
>
> --
> Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
> www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek
>
> Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
> www.catgalaxymedia.com
> "Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
>
> > Not just its basic needs, but its emotional needs too. Cats need
> > company and stimulation. I've got three cats but if I'm upstairs and
> > they think I'm out I can usually hear one crying and it'll come to
> > greet me when I appear. Cats and dogs have no concept that you're
> > coming back, when they can't see you you've gone out of their world.
> > Two days or more is way, way too long for a cat to be alone.
>
>

My cats *always* greet me at the door when I arrive home, but they *never*
sit watching the door when I am home. My parents used to spend part of the
winter with me (both of my parents after their retirement and prior to my
father's death; then my mother lived with me for 5 years but is now
incapacitated and in a nursing home). They swore that my cats (Holly and
her prececessor, Amber) could somehow hear the sound of my car even before I
pulled into the driveway because they would come running at full speed from
wherever they were. A couple of minutes later, I would find Holly or Amber
(I adopted Holly after Amber died) waiting at the door for me. I had a
flexible time schedule, so this wasn't based on "estimated time of arrival,"
but they also were not sitting around all day waiting by the door. Now
Holly and Duffy do the same thing, and I find the two of them together
waiting to greet me. I don't know how they do it, but it's a truly
endearing quality.

MaryL

Tracy
March 19th 04, 05:55 PM
>
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.

Well, there you go. We're appalled by different things. I'm appalled
by people who don't bother to tag and collar their indoor pets in the
assumption that they will never, by any combination of circumstances,
slip out of the house. And I really hope the OP takes this opportunity
to remedy the problem. It strikes me as a bit more fruitful than
ranting at a landlord on Usenet. You owe it to your cats to give them
every possibility of being returned to you should you be separated.

Tracy
March 19th 04, 05:55 PM
>
> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after 'em,
> don't have 'em.

Well, there you go. We're appalled by different things. I'm appalled
by people who don't bother to tag and collar their indoor pets in the
assumption that they will never, by any combination of circumstances,
slip out of the house. And I really hope the OP takes this opportunity
to remedy the problem. It strikes me as a bit more fruitful than
ranting at a landlord on Usenet. You owe it to your cats to give them
every possibility of being returned to you should you be separated.

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:12 PM
"Diane L. Schirf" > wrote

> I have a great apartment and a wonderful building manager. No
complaints.
>

Hey, I loved one of my apartments much more than my current house!
But when it came time to buy I could never afford a place as old and
cool as it was. I'm not knocking renting--there are advantages, such
as the fact that you have someone else to be responsible for repairs
and to PAY for them. What I meant was that I feel much more
secure now that nobody has the right to come into my house
and do as they please when I am not at home. And, I like the
fact that in paying a mortgage, my money doesn't just
"disappear."

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:12 PM
"Diane L. Schirf" > wrote

> I have a great apartment and a wonderful building manager. No
complaints.
>

Hey, I loved one of my apartments much more than my current house!
But when it came time to buy I could never afford a place as old and
cool as it was. I'm not knocking renting--there are advantages, such
as the fact that you have someone else to be responsible for repairs
and to PAY for them. What I meant was that I feel much more
secure now that nobody has the right to come into my house
and do as they please when I am not at home. And, I like the
fact that in paying a mortgage, my money doesn't just
"disappear."

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:16 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> > wrote:
>
> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
like
> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?!
Would
> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
> enough food and water? I don't think so.

What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
in on them twice a day?

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:16 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> > wrote:
>
> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
like
> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?!
Would
> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
> enough food and water? I don't think so.

What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
in on them twice a day?

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:17 PM
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...
> "Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> > >>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not
that
> > >>> unusual.
> > >>
> > >> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look
after 'em,
> > >> don't have 'em.
> > >
> > >Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend?
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> > > If you
> > >leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem
is.
> Maybe
> > >I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this
many times,
> as
> > >have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital,
but she
> has
> > >left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if
the cat
> is
> > >healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?
> >
> > The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
like
> > to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?!
Would
> > you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
> > enough food and water? I don't think so.
>
> Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child
spayed or
> neutered? Would you have a young child tattoed and microchipped
should s/he
> become lost? Should I not even be leaving my cat home unattended
while I go
> to work for the day? I certainly wouldn't leave a child alone in
that
> situation so according to your analogy, I shouldn't leave my cat
during the
> day, either. I would send a child to school--should I send my cat
to
> school, too?
>
> The child/cat analogy is one of the silliest ones to use when trying
to make
> a point. Fact is, cats and humans are very different. Cats are far
more
> self-sufficient than young children and far more independent. And
not all
> cats need company and stimulation. Some prefer very much to be left
alone
> as much as possible.
>
> That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone
for two
> days would be because she might become sick or injured during that
time.
> With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the
vet asap.
> If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?
>
> rona (happy Kitty has a vacation home)
>

Nicely argued. You could be a great lawyer.

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:17 PM
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message
...
> "Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> > >>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not
that
> > >>> unusual.
> > >>
> > >> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look
after 'em,
> > >> don't have 'em.
> > >
> > >Really? You think it's wrong to leave a cat alone for a weekend?
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> > > If you
> > >leave them plenty of food and water I don't see what the problem
is.
> Maybe
> > >I will get flamed here, but I really don't. I have done this
many times,
> as
> > >have my friends. One of my friends works at an animal hospital,
but she
> has
> > >left her cats alone for the weekend, too. Why not? I mean, if
the cat
> is
> > >healthy and not pregnant and doing fine, what's the big deal?
> >
> > The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
like
> > to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?!
Would
> > you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
> > enough food and water? I don't think so.
>
> Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child
spayed or
> neutered? Would you have a young child tattoed and microchipped
should s/he
> become lost? Should I not even be leaving my cat home unattended
while I go
> to work for the day? I certainly wouldn't leave a child alone in
that
> situation so according to your analogy, I shouldn't leave my cat
during the
> day, either. I would send a child to school--should I send my cat
to
> school, too?
>
> The child/cat analogy is one of the silliest ones to use when trying
to make
> a point. Fact is, cats and humans are very different. Cats are far
more
> self-sufficient than young children and far more independent. And
not all
> cats need company and stimulation. Some prefer very much to be left
alone
> as much as possible.
>
> That being said, the *only* reason I would never leave my cat alone
for two
> days would be because she might become sick or injured during that
time.
> With some illnesses or injuries, it is crucial to get a cat to the
vet asap.
> If she were home alone, who would bring her to the vet?
>
> rona (happy Kitty has a vacation home)
>

Nicely argued. You could be a great lawyer.

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:18 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> > wrote:
>
> >Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child
spayed or
> >neutered?
>
> If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look
after
> its offspring, yes.

Nazi.

:-)

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:18 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> > wrote:
>
> >Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child
spayed or
> >neutered?
>
> If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look
after
> its offspring, yes.

Nazi.

:-)

Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
March 19th 04, 06:19 PM
Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
> Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
> homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
> things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
> and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly I
> wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
> owner and I'm entitled to express it.

OK, fair enough - and yes, you are; I just wanted to head off any
Bobbing at the pass. ;)

In fact, I might be faced with that situation myself soon - I'm between
jobs, and I may well be in a situation where I'm away from the house 5
days a week. Obviously, should that happen, I need to find my cats
some nice new slaves... *sniffle* so I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
March 19th 04, 06:19 PM
Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
> Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
> homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
> things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
> and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly I
> wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
> owner and I'm entitled to express it.

OK, fair enough - and yes, you are; I just wanted to head off any
Bobbing at the pass. ;)

In fact, I might be faced with that situation myself soon - I'm between
jobs, and I may well be in a situation where I'm away from the house 5
days a week. Obviously, should that happen, I need to find my cats
some nice new slaves... *sniffle* so I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:22 PM
"Tracy" > wrote in message
om...
>
> Well, there you go. We're appalled by different things. I'm appalled
> by people who don't bother to tag and collar their indoor pets in
the
> assumption that they will never, by any combination of
circumstances,
> slip out of the house.

This really is a good point. Much as I love my cats I had not thought
of this. It's as though my mind stops at the worst possible outcome,
that
they might get hit on the busy street first thing. Both have collars,
but I
will have some tags made with their names and my contact info this
weekend and attach them.

Mary
March 19th 04, 06:22 PM
"Tracy" > wrote in message
om...
>
> Well, there you go. We're appalled by different things. I'm appalled
> by people who don't bother to tag and collar their indoor pets in
the
> assumption that they will never, by any combination of
circumstances,
> slip out of the house.

This really is a good point. Much as I love my cats I had not thought
of this. It's as though my mind stops at the worst possible outcome,
that
they might get hit on the busy street first thing. Both have collars,
but I
will have some tags made with their names and my contact info this
weekend and attach them.

March 19th 04, 06:27 PM
In article >,
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote:

> would you have a young child spayed or
> neutered?

Chuckle. I know some kids who would have benefitted from this.

March 19th 04, 06:27 PM
In article >,
"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote:

> would you have a young child spayed or
> neutered?

Chuckle. I know some kids who would have benefitted from this.

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 06:57 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:16:09 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
>like
>> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?!
>Would
>> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
>> enough food and water? I don't think so.
>
>What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
>in on them twice a day?

I would say that's fine (again, only my opinion!) . Having companions,
feline, canine or otherwise, and some human intervention to check up
on them is fine - leaving a solitary cat alone in a house for 24-48
hours isn't fine. What stimulation do they have? Nothing to chase,
nothing to snuggle up with, nothing to distract them. What a boring
existance that would be :-(

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 06:57 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:16:09 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
>like
>> to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play with?!
>Would
>> you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was healthy and
>> enough food and water? I don't think so.
>
>What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
>in on them twice a day?

I would say that's fine (again, only my opinion!) . Having companions,
feline, canine or otherwise, and some human intervention to check up
on them is fine - leaving a solitary cat alone in a house for 24-48
hours isn't fine. What stimulation do they have? Nothing to chase,
nothing to snuggle up with, nothing to distract them. What a boring
existance that would be :-(

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 07:01 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:19 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child
>spayed or
>> >neutered?
>>
>> If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look
>after
>> its offspring, yes.
>
>Nazi.
>
>:-)

*s******* ;-)

Don't want to get into a whole heavy philosophical debate, but we
construct our society and our knowledge and understanding of it. Who
knows, if Hitler had won the war it may well be perfectly normal and
natural to have vast sections of our society sterilised now, if they
weren't deemed 'fit' to produce genetically superior offspring. Scary
thought.

Hilter liked cats, I believe. And he was a vegetarian. So you can't
believe the stereotypes ;-)

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 07:01 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:19 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young child
>spayed or
>> >neutered?
>>
>> If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look
>after
>> its offspring, yes.
>
>Nazi.
>
>:-)

*s******* ;-)

Don't want to get into a whole heavy philosophical debate, but we
construct our society and our knowledge and understanding of it. Who
knows, if Hitler had won the war it may well be perfectly normal and
natural to have vast sections of our society sterilised now, if they
weren't deemed 'fit' to produce genetically superior offspring. Scary
thought.

Hilter liked cats, I believe. And he was a vegetarian. So you can't
believe the stereotypes ;-)

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 07:08 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:19:07 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
> wrote:

>Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
>> Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
>> homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
>> things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
>> and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly I
>> wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
>> owner and I'm entitled to express it.
>
>OK, fair enough - and yes, you are; I just wanted to head off any
>Bobbing at the pass. ;)
>
>In fact, I might be faced with that situation myself soon - I'm between
>jobs, and I may well be in a situation where I'm away from the house 5
>days a week. Obviously, should that happen, I need to find my cats
>some nice new slaves... *sniffle* so I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.

:-((( I'll have them!!!

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 07:08 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:19:07 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
> wrote:

>Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
>> Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
>> homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
>> things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
>> and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly I
>> wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
>> owner and I'm entitled to express it.
>
>OK, fair enough - and yes, you are; I just wanted to head off any
>Bobbing at the pass. ;)
>
>In fact, I might be faced with that situation myself soon - I'm between
>jobs, and I may well be in a situation where I'm away from the house 5
>days a week. Obviously, should that happen, I need to find my cats
>some nice new slaves... *sniffle* so I'm hoping it doesn't come to that.

:-((( I'll have them!!!

Mary
March 19th 04, 07:45 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote:
> >
> >What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
> >in on them twice a day?
>
> I would say that's fine (again, only my opinion!) . Having
companions,
> feline, canine or otherwise, and some human intervention to check up
> on them is fine - leaving a solitary cat alone in a house for 24-48
> hours isn't fine. What stimulation do they have? Nothing to chase,
> nothing to snuggle up with, nothing to distract them. What a boring
> existance that would be :-(

Well, and I think about, what if they swallow a string or get caught
in something and choke? I'll never forget the time Gnarly stuck her
head in one of those small tissue boxes. :) Yes, it was hilarious, and
as soon as my husband got a load of her stumbling around, I removed
it. If she had done this over a long weekend, she would have been
a wreck at the end of it, and dehydrated too.

Mary
March 19th 04, 07:45 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote:
> >
> >What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
> >in on them twice a day?
>
> I would say that's fine (again, only my opinion!) . Having
companions,
> feline, canine or otherwise, and some human intervention to check up
> on them is fine - leaving a solitary cat alone in a house for 24-48
> hours isn't fine. What stimulation do they have? Nothing to chase,
> nothing to snuggle up with, nothing to distract them. What a boring
> existance that would be :-(

Well, and I think about, what if they swallow a string or get caught
in something and choke? I'll never forget the time Gnarly stuck her
head in one of those small tissue boxes. :) Yes, it was hilarious, and
as soon as my husband got a load of her stumbling around, I removed
it. If she had done this over a long weekend, she would have been
a wreck at the end of it, and dehydrated too.

Mary
March 19th 04, 07:46 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:19 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young
child
> >spayed or
> >> >neutered?
> >>
> >> If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look
> >after
> >> its offspring, yes.
> >
> >Nazi.
> >
> >:-)
>
> *s******* ;-)
>
> Don't want to get into a whole heavy philosophical debate, but we
> construct our society and our knowledge and understanding of it. Who
> knows, if Hitler had won the war it may well be perfectly normal and
> natural to have vast sections of our society sterilised now, if they
> weren't deemed 'fit' to produce genetically superior offspring.
Scary
> thought.
>
> Hilter liked cats, I believe. And he was a vegetarian. So you can't
> believe the stereotypes ;-)

Oooo, now you are in real trouble. We love our stereotypes of
the bad guys. I appreciate that you know how to take me, btw. :)

Mary
March 19th 04, 07:46 PM
"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:19 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:01:10 -0600, "Rona Yuthasastrakosol"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Using that analogy (cat and child)...would you have a young
child
> >spayed or
> >> >neutered?
> >>
> >> If it was going to go out and shag at random with nobody to look
> >after
> >> its offspring, yes.
> >
> >Nazi.
> >
> >:-)
>
> *s******* ;-)
>
> Don't want to get into a whole heavy philosophical debate, but we
> construct our society and our knowledge and understanding of it. Who
> knows, if Hitler had won the war it may well be perfectly normal and
> natural to have vast sections of our society sterilised now, if they
> weren't deemed 'fit' to produce genetically superior offspring.
Scary
> thought.
>
> Hilter liked cats, I believe. And he was a vegetarian. So you can't
> believe the stereotypes ;-)

Oooo, now you are in real trouble. We love our stereotypes of
the bad guys. I appreciate that you know how to take me, btw. :)

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 08:01 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:46:22 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:19 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>> >Nazi.
>> >
>> >:-)
>>
>> *s******* ;-)
>>
>> Hilter liked cats, I believe. And he was a vegetarian. So you can't
>> believe the stereotypes ;-)
>
>Oooo, now you are in real trouble. We love our stereotypes of
>the bad guys. I appreciate that you know how to take me, btw. :)

It was the smiley at the end that gave it away ;-) If you'd said
'NAZI!' with no smiley I'd guess you meant it! Good old emoticons -
change the whole tone of a sentence with a few well-placed punctuation
marks!

Kristine Kochanski
March 19th 04, 08:01 PM
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:46:22 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>
>"Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:18:19 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:

>> >Nazi.
>> >
>> >:-)
>>
>> *s******* ;-)
>>
>> Hilter liked cats, I believe. And he was a vegetarian. So you can't
>> believe the stereotypes ;-)
>
>Oooo, now you are in real trouble. We love our stereotypes of
>the bad guys. I appreciate that you know how to take me, btw. :)

It was the smiley at the end that gave it away ;-) If you'd said
'NAZI!' with no smiley I'd guess you meant it! Good old emoticons -
change the whole tone of a sentence with a few well-placed punctuation
marks!

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
March 19th 04, 09:08 PM
> wrote in message
...
>
> Chuckle. I know some kids who would have benefitted from this.

I know some adults who still would :-(. I know I'm going to get flamed for
this, but for a certain segment of the population, I would be in favour of
some sort of mandatory birth control (though I'm not sure I would go so far
as sterilization because I always have hope that people will change).

rona


--
***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!***

Rona Yuthasastrakosol
March 19th 04, 09:08 PM
> wrote in message
...
>
> Chuckle. I know some kids who would have benefitted from this.

I know some adults who still would :-(. I know I'm going to get flamed for
this, but for a certain segment of the population, I would be in favour of
some sort of mandatory birth control (though I'm not sure I would go so far
as sterilization because I always have hope that people will change).

rona


--
***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!***

March 19th 04, 10:09 PM
In article >,
"Mary" > wrote:

> What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
> in on them twice a day?

Or, you could just leave the television on for them. Video catnip,
anyone?

March 19th 04, 10:09 PM
In article >,
"Mary" > wrote:

> What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
> in on them twice a day?

Or, you could just leave the television on for them. Video catnip,
anyone?

Tracy
March 19th 04, 10:33 PM
"Mary" > wrote in message >...
>
> This really is a good point. Much as I love my cats I had not thought
> of this. It's as though my mind stops at the worst possible outcome,
> that
> they might get hit on the busy street first thing. Both have collars,
> but I
> will have some tags made with their names and my contact info this
> weekend and attach them.

Yeah! That makes me happy! I didn't really mean to start a debate
about leaving cats alone for the weekend. What I meant to point out is
that stuff does happen, even to owners with the best of intentions,
and it's so much better for a lousy $15 per cat or less, to make it
easy for neighbors, vets, shelters and animal control to do the right
thing and get that kitty back home before something bad happens to it
:>

Tracy
March 19th 04, 10:33 PM
"Mary" > wrote in message >...
>
> This really is a good point. Much as I love my cats I had not thought
> of this. It's as though my mind stops at the worst possible outcome,
> that
> they might get hit on the busy street first thing. Both have collars,
> but I
> will have some tags made with their names and my contact info this
> weekend and attach them.

Yeah! That makes me happy! I didn't really mean to start a debate
about leaving cats alone for the weekend. What I meant to point out is
that stuff does happen, even to owners with the best of intentions,
and it's so much better for a lousy $15 per cat or less, to make it
easy for neighbors, vets, shelters and animal control to do the right
thing and get that kitty back home before something bad happens to it
:>

Mary
March 19th 04, 11:03 PM
"Tracy" > wrote:
>
>... stuff does happen, even to owners with the best of intentions,
> and it's so much better for a lousy $15 per cat or less, to make it
> easy for neighbors, vets, shelters and animal control to do the
right
> thing and get that kitty back home before something bad happens to
it
> :>

Yes indeed. That's what I love about this group, sharing
ideas with others who love cats as much as I do. The
old "two heads are better than one" thing is true.

Mary
March 19th 04, 11:03 PM
"Tracy" > wrote:
>
>... stuff does happen, even to owners with the best of intentions,
> and it's so much better for a lousy $15 per cat or less, to make it
> easy for neighbors, vets, shelters and animal control to do the
right
> thing and get that kitty back home before something bad happens to
it
> :>

Yes indeed. That's what I love about this group, sharing
ideas with others who love cats as much as I do. The
old "two heads are better than one" thing is true.

Kalyahna
March 20th 04, 02:50 AM
"whayface" > wrote in message
...
>
> Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to
enter the place!!
> Very simple.

Not so simple. My family is three hours away, and the only people I know
well enough in town to ask to check in on my cats are my co-workers, and the
vast majority of them work the same days and schedules that I do, or have
other jobs, or school.

Kalyahna
March 20th 04, 02:50 AM
"whayface" > wrote in message
...
>
> Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to
enter the place!!
> Very simple.

Not so simple. My family is three hours away, and the only people I know
well enough in town to ask to check in on my cats are my co-workers, and the
vast majority of them work the same days and schedules that I do, or have
other jobs, or school.

nimue
March 20th 04, 01:46 PM
Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:04:26 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
> > wrote:
>
>> Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
>>>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>>>> unusual.
>>>
>>> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after
>>> 'em, don't have 'em.
>>
>> Please don't turn this into another indoor/outdoor debate. Your
>> opinion is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make opposite
>> opinions invalid, especially not when they're backed up with
>> evidence.
>
> Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
> homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
> things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
> and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly

Wait a minute. Who said anything about leaving your cats regularly? It's
not often I get to go away for a weekend. On the rare occasions that I do,
I have left my cats alone with plenty of food and water. When I come home,
they are fine, and usually in the same places I left them (each has its own
place -- the boycat is on the chair by the window and the girl is on her cat
pedestal by the window).

>I
> wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
> owner and I'm entitled to express it.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 20th 04, 01:46 PM
Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:04:26 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
> > wrote:
>
>> Quoth Kristine Kochanski:
>>>> Single people do leave cats alone for two nights. It's not that
>>>> unusual.
>>>
>>> It's not unusual but it's very wrong IMO. If you can't look after
>>> 'em, don't have 'em.
>>
>> Please don't turn this into another indoor/outdoor debate. Your
>> opinion is a perfectly valid opinion, but it doesn't make opposite
>> opinions invalid, especially not when they're backed up with
>> evidence.
>
> Of course it's just my opinion, I don't go around removing cats from
> homes that are treated in a way I find abhorrent! I find lots of
> things other cat owners do quite unbearable but I have my own beliefs
> and I have to live by them - and if I had to leave my cats regularly

Wait a minute. Who said anything about leaving your cats regularly? It's
not often I get to go away for a weekend. On the rare occasions that I do,
I have left my cats alone with plenty of food and water. When I come home,
they are fine, and usually in the same places I left them (each has its own
place -- the boycat is on the chair by the window and the girl is on her cat
pedestal by the window).

>I
> wouldn't have them, it's as simple as that. That's my opinion as a cat
> owner and I'm entitled to express it.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 20th 04, 01:52 PM
Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:16:09 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
>>> like to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play
>>> with?! Would you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was
>>> healthy and enough food and water? I don't think so.
>>
>> What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
>> in on them twice a day?
>
> I would say that's fine (again, only my opinion!) . Having companions,
> feline, canine or otherwise, and some human intervention to check up
> on them is fine - leaving a solitary cat alone in a house for 24-48
> hours isn't fine. What stimulation do they have? Nothing to chase,
> nothing to snuggle up with, nothing to distract them. What a boring
> existance that would be :-(

Nothing to chase? That's exactly what my cats chase sometimes -- nothing!
One or the other will go wildly tearing around the place after -- nothing!
If they want to play, they play. A piece of paper, a pen, or some nothing
and they are off. As for snuggling, my girlcat thinks my stuffed animal on
my bed is real. She snuggles with that in a way she will not snuggle with
us and the boycat -- a big snuggler -- snuggles up with pillows, humans,
blankets, whatever.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 20th 04, 01:52 PM
Kristine Kochanski wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:16:09 GMT, "Mary" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Kristine Kochanski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:49:25 GMT, "nimue"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The big deal is cats need company and stimulation. How would you
>>> like to be trapped in a house all weekend with nobody to play
>>> with?! Would you leave a child alone all weekend so long as it was
>>> healthy and enough food and water? I don't think so.
>>
>> What about if the cat has kitty companions and someone looking
>> in on them twice a day?
>
> I would say that's fine (again, only my opinion!) . Having companions,
> feline, canine or otherwise, and some human intervention to check up
> on them is fine - leaving a solitary cat alone in a house for 24-48
> hours isn't fine. What stimulation do they have? Nothing to chase,
> nothing to snuggle up with, nothing to distract them. What a boring
> existance that would be :-(

Nothing to chase? That's exactly what my cats chase sometimes -- nothing!
One or the other will go wildly tearing around the place after -- nothing!
If they want to play, they play. A piece of paper, a pen, or some nothing
and they are off. As for snuggling, my girlcat thinks my stuffed animal on
my bed is real. She snuggles with that in a way she will not snuggle with
us and the boycat -- a big snuggler -- snuggles up with pillows, humans,
blankets, whatever.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 20th 04, 01:55 PM
Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Chuckle. I know some kids who would have benefitted from this.
>
> I know some adults who still would :-(. I know I'm going to get
> flamed for this, but for a certain segment of the population, I would
> be in favour of some sort of mandatory birth control (though I'm not
> sure I would go so far as sterilization because I always have hope
> that people will change).
>

I won't flame you. I wish we could sterilize certain people, I really do.
I would love to fix men and women who had abused and/or abandoned children.
There is an organization that will provide long-term birth control to
hopeless addicts who request it. I believe it will also sterilize them for
free if they request it. I can't remember what it's called -- anyone know?

> rona

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

nimue
March 20th 04, 01:55 PM
Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Chuckle. I know some kids who would have benefitted from this.
>
> I know some adults who still would :-(. I know I'm going to get
> flamed for this, but for a certain segment of the population, I would
> be in favour of some sort of mandatory birth control (though I'm not
> sure I would go so far as sterilization because I always have hope
> that people will change).
>

I won't flame you. I wish we could sterilize certain people, I really do.
I would love to fix men and women who had abused and/or abandoned children.
There is an organization that will provide long-term birth control to
hopeless addicts who request it. I believe it will also sterilize them for
free if they request it. I can't remember what it's called -- anyone know?

> rona

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

Do not taunt happy fun ball.
SNL

M.C. Mullen
March 20th 04, 03:07 PM
"Kalyahna" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
| "whayface" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to
| enter the place!!
| > Very simple.
|
| Not so simple. My family is three hours away, and the only people I know
| well enough in town to ask to check in on my cats are my co-workers, and
the
| vast majority of them work the same days and schedules that I do, or have
| other jobs, or school.


I have absolutely *no* problem leaving dear cats alone for a weekend as long
as they have enough food and water.
If I go away for a longer period (which does not happen very often), then I
'employ' someone like other cat people in the area and vice versa.
With the dog it's different: 6 hours is the absolute maximum, otherwise I
can luckily give her to my mother or a friend or even the shelter.

Carola

M.C. Mullen
March 20th 04, 03:07 PM
"Kalyahna" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
| "whayface" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| > Get someone to stay at your place when repair people or anyone has to
| enter the place!!
| > Very simple.
|
| Not so simple. My family is three hours away, and the only people I know
| well enough in town to ask to check in on my cats are my co-workers, and
the
| vast majority of them work the same days and schedules that I do, or have
| other jobs, or school.


I have absolutely *no* problem leaving dear cats alone for a weekend as long
as they have enough food and water.
If I go away for a longer period (which does not happen very often), then I
'employ' someone like other cat people in the area and vice versa.
With the dog it's different: 6 hours is the absolute maximum, otherwise I
can luckily give her to my mother or a friend or even the shelter.

Carola