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NMR
December 28th 05, 09:41 PM
Phil or everyone else I got a question for you My furball rumble is
epileptic as you know. He gets a depo shot when he gets what they call the
itches; where he starts to dig and lick his fur off. Is there any natural
product or OTC solution that is safe so I can use for him in between getting
him to the vet for another shot.

FYI he takes 2x 2mg of diazepam everyday



Thanks up front everyone and Phil and Happy holidays to all

cybercat
December 28th 05, 11:11 PM
"NMR" > wrote in message
. ..
> Phil or everyone else I got a question for you My furball rumble is
> epileptic as you know. He gets a depo shot when he gets what they call
the
> itches; where he starts to dig and lick his fur off. Is there any natural
> product or OTC solution that is safe so I can use for him in between
getting
> him to the vet for another shot.
>
> FYI he takes 2x 2mg of diazepam everyday
>
>

Matthew, my cat has the same thing, and the doctor said I can use
antihistamine--specifically the one called Chlortrimeton or its generic--at
the rate of 2 mgs (half a tab) every twelve hours. HOWEVER--she is not on
diazepam so ask your vet about interactions. All she is on is Depo.

Phil P.
December 30th 05, 08:05 AM
"NMR" > wrote in message
. ..
> Phil or everyone else I got a question for you My furball rumble is
> epileptic as you know. He gets a depo shot when he gets what they call
the
> itches; where he starts to dig and lick his fur off. Is there any natural
> product or OTC solution that is safe so I can use for him in between
getting
> him to the vet for another shot.
>
> FYI he takes 2x 2mg of diazepam everyday

I don't know of any 'natural' epileptic drugs, but I would sure get him off
diazepam- quick if not sooner! Diazepam is well know for causing liver
failure in cats. Speak to your vet about phenobarbital- its the first
choice drug for seizure disorders in cats. An omega-3 supplement might help
his skin problems.

Best of luck,

Phil

NMR
December 30th 05, 08:39 AM
Rumble is allergic to Phenobarbital it almost killed him he began to become
lethargic, would not stop digging until he ripped flesh out and would not
eat or move except to go to the bathroom. We have been fighting this
disease for 3 years now he is seizure free for 2 of those 3 years. I get a
full workup every six months specially the liver test to make sure
everything is fine in fact I am waiting for the results to come in. My vet
is up to date for the epilepsy. When rumble became epileptic he went back
to school just to get updated ( he is a family friend ) He has recommended a
oatmeal based product to use I forgot the name but it is so messy and smelly
that the cat runs when I get it out.
What I was asking is when he scratches what natural stuff or OTC product
can I put on where he scratched for open places. I am looking for what is
safe and what others have used. I have used Vaseline before but he licks it
off and I don't want him licking when I am trying to prevent him from
licking more fur off. When he gets his depo shot he stops immediately and
is good from 4 to 8 months so far

Thanks for replying


"Phil P." > wrote in message
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>
> "NMR" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Phil or everyone else I got a question for you My furball rumble is
>> epileptic as you know. He gets a depo shot when he gets what they call
> the
>> itches; where he starts to dig and lick his fur off. Is there any
>> natural
>> product or OTC solution that is safe so I can use for him in between
> getting
>> him to the vet for another shot.
>>
>> FYI he takes 2x 2mg of diazepam everyday
>
> I don't know of any 'natural' epileptic drugs, but I would sure get him
> off
> diazepam- quick if not sooner! Diazepam is well know for causing liver
> failure in cats. Speak to your vet about phenobarbital- its the first
> choice drug for seizure disorders in cats. An omega-3 supplement might
> help
> his skin problems.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Phil
>
>
>

Phil P.
January 1st 06, 02:38 PM
"NMR" > wrote in message
.. .
> Rumble is allergic to Phenobarbital it almost killed him he began to
become
> lethargic, would not stop digging until he ripped flesh out and would not
> eat or move except to go to the bathroom. We have been fighting this
> disease for 3 years now he is seizure free for 2 of those 3 years. I get
a
> full workup every six months specially the liver test to make sure
> everything is fine in fact I am waiting for the results to come in. My
vet
> is up to date for the epilepsy. When rumble became epileptic he went
back
> to school just to get updated ( he is a family friend ) He has recommended
a
> oatmeal based product to use I forgot the name but it is so messy and
smelly
> that the cat runs when I get it out.
> What I was asking is when he scratches what natural stuff or OTC
product
> can I put on where he scratched for open places. I am looking for what
is
> safe and what others have used. I have used Vaseline before but he licks
it
> off and I don't want him licking when I am trying to prevent him from
> licking more fur off. When he gets his depo shot he stops immediately and
> is good from 4 to 8 months so far
>
> Thanks for replying


Topical preps can be a problem especially if the cat can reach the spot with
his tongue or if you have other cats that will lick it off. I can't really
recommend any topical
preps other than CortiCalm Cream (Hydrocortisone 1%). It might work if you
can rub enough of it in without irritating his skin and wipe off any residue
so he doesn't ingest very much. Since its a steroid, you'll want to avoid
ingestion as much as possible. You might also want to try a vitamin
E/omega-3 oil prep such as DVM Derm Caps- both orally and topically. Speak
to your vet about these products.

Have you tried a food elimination trial or Hill's z/d to rule out food
allergy? How about cleaning products? Do you use rug shampoos or floor
cleaners? If you have carpets, you might want to try a carpet sealer- some
cats develop contact allergies to the chemicals in the fibers or backing or
adhesive that holds the fibers to the backing.

Best of luck,

Phil

NMR
January 1st 06, 09:31 PM
I appreciate all that Phil we ruled out an allergy. It is something that
epileptic get where they want to scratch their skin according to the
specialist. I have had him to specialist after specialist even traveled to
the vet training center in where they train Vet in specializing in as I
call it exotic cat diseases. my vet even went back to school to get training
in epilepsy. I am lucky if he does not know the answer he picks up the
phone and calls who does no hesitation. I had him to a couple cat
behaviorist, 2 allergist and all the bells and whistles have been done. He
is the million dollar kitty; the vet bills have been over $10,000 so far

** FOR FYI He fired that vet tech for his rough handling of rumble it was
his second complaint. My vet said if I am complaining he knows something is
wrong**

I have changed every cleaning product in the house. I actually ripped up
all the carpet and went to hardwood and tiled floors for that reason of the
chemicals on the carpet. I had the house professionally decontaminated
everything got pulled out and scrubbed. I am lucky I have the money to
spend to rule out all the possible problems.

All the vet people recommend is that oatmeal based product or home
remedy Vaseline. None recommend any OTC products just for that reason of
steroids or possible poisoning. My vet is doing his best not to have to put
rumble on steroids unless the diazepam starts to affect the liver or
kidneys. I was hoping you or someone had heard of a product that was safe
for if ingested with all the new products coming out. It is hard to keep up

I will ask my vet about "vitamin E/omega-3 oil prep such as DVM Derm Caps"
I know we were giving him a multiple vitamin for a while; I would have to
pull out his chart and look. We stopped it it was not having any real
effect as much as the simple depo shot does. Maybe the simplest solution is
the best. I know when he needs one he starts to scratch hard and becomes
over groomy and away he goes gets the shot and stops for 4 to 8 months so
far. I was looking for something I could put on the wounds in between seeing
he needs to go and getting him into he vet.

I am happy to announce we have no had a seizure in over 2 years now YEAH


Thanks for your responses Phil you are always a great help



Matthew

hillbilly☻downunder
January 1st 06, 11:26 PM
NMR wrote:

> is the million dollar kitty; the vet bills have been over $10,000 so far

are we pussy whipped?
yes we are
are we loving it?
you know we do

NMR
January 1st 06, 11:30 PM
Yes and proud of it
"hillbilly?downunder" > wrote in message
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>
> NMR wrote:
>
>> is the million dollar kitty; the vet bills have been over $10,000 so far
>
> are we pussy whipped?
> yes we are
> are we loving it?
> you know we do
>