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cybercat
January 30th 06, 06:44 AM
"-L." > wrote in message
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>
> cybercat wrote:
> > "Beth" > wrote>
> > >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Uhm...from the look on your cat's face, it's not too happy about
being
> > in the bag. I can't decide if its eyes look sleepy or upset.
> >
> > Beth, the cat's inner eyelid is showing, which nearly always means
> > dehydration and usually some sort of illness. This is the freak who
enjoys
> > watching his cats kill mice etc. that he posts photos of the dead
animals.
> > He's an asshole--and now we know that he is an asshole who does not take
> > care of his cats.
> >
> > To the asshole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is
showing.
>
> This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted. Cats' "inner
> eyelids", called the nictating membrane, also show when they are in a
> half-sleep, drowsy state, or when they have been snoozing and/or are
> content. An apparent nictating membrane is only a sign of illness
> when it shows continually.
>

Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
It is a sign that something is not right.

We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen?

http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg

-L.
January 30th 06, 06:59 AM
Please pardon the intrusion, but cyberdingbat here needs some info on
cats' nictating membranes...


cybercat wrote:
> Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
> It is a sign that something is not right.

Not always. Do a simple search on "nictating membrane" and you will
see I am right. The nictating membrane sometimes shows when the cat is
drowsy and/or content. It is not always a sign of illness.

It *can be* a sign of illness if it remains exposed, however.

>
> We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen?
>
> http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg

Go ahead and ask a vet - they will agree with me. Oh, I see you
x-posted this to alt.vet.med. Good - I hope someone answers the
question.

-L.

cybercat
January 30th 06, 07:56 AM
"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Please pardon the intrusion, but cyberdingbat here needs some info on
> cats' nictating membranes...

An on-topic question about a photo in which a cat's third eyelid is
showing when it should not be is not an intrusion you half-witted,
lard-assed harridan.



>
>
> cybercat wrote:
> > Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
> > It is a sign that something is not right.
>
> Not always. Do a simple search on "nictating membrane" and you will
> see I am right. The nictating membrane sometimes shows when the cat is
> drowsy and/or content. It is not always a sign of illness.
>
> It *can be* a sign of illness if it remains exposed, however.
>

I have never seen it in any of my cats, and the cat in the picture is far
from drowsy or content, he is being suspended in a garbage bag.

But, again, let's let your New Best Friends "Hillary" etc. answer.
*snicker*

-L.
January 30th 06, 09:18 AM
cybercat wrote:
> "-L." > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Please pardon the intrusion, but cyberdingbat here needs some info on
> > cats' nictating membranes...
>
> An on-topic question about a photo in which a cat's third eyelid is
> showing when it should not be is not an intrusion you half-witted,
> lard-assed harridan.

Showing everyone your charm, once again, I see. The cat's nictating
membrane *could* easily be showing as she just was awaken from a nap.

> >
> > cybercat wrote:
> > > Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
> > > It is a sign that something is not right.
> >
> > Not always. Do a simple search on "nictating membrane" and you will
> > see I am right. The nictating membrane sometimes shows when the cat is
> > drowsy and/or content. It is not always a sign of illness.
> >
> > It *can be* a sign of illness if it remains exposed, however.
> >
>
> I have never seen it in any of my cats, and the cat in the picture is far
> from drowsy or content, he is being suspended in a garbage bag.

The cat in the picture is not "suspended" in a bag at all but, in fact,
was *sleeping* on clothing in the bag, according to the OP. Ref:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/msg/23da890dfc0c470b?dmode=source

Furthermore, she looks completely content. :)

If you have never seen your cats' nictating membranes you must not
spend very much time with your cats. When a cat is sleepy or content,
they often will open their eyes and the nictating membrane will be
showing for a little bit. I am sure many other posters here have seen
their cats nictating membranes when their cats are drowsy. My cat
does it when she kneads on soft clothing. She also drools. (But In
your world that MUST be a sign of POISONING! Ack!!! - get her to the
ER quick!!!)

>
> But, again, let's let your New Best Friends "Hillary" etc. answer.
> *snicker*

Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly
and a "sometimes" poster to alt.med.vet. I have no association with
her other than I know she posts there infrequently. You can Google her
and see she is indeed a board-certified vet. There are other vets
around who post there, as well. I am sure one of them can enlighten
you, since you are too pig-headed to put away your biases long enough
to learn something.

BTW, your friend Candace said essentially the same thing I did in a
previous post:

"Yes, cats have a nictating membrane or third eyelid as it is commonly
called.
Some cats have a little of it visible at all times (my experience is
that
round-eyed cats have it less visible than almond-shaped eye cats) and
it is
frequently visible when they have just woken up or are very sleepy.
But if it
remains visible and starts to cover more than just the inside corner of
their
eyes, it is generally an indication that they are ill." Ref:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/6ccf28e811d9c993?dmode=source

But of course, if she had replied to your comment instead of me, this
debate wouldn't be occurring.

-L.
(shaking head)

cybercat
January 30th 06, 04:37 PM
"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>

My furry fat friend's rabid comments aside, it would be good to have the
input of a vet on this.

I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid
regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health problem.

-L.
January 30th 06, 05:24 PM
cybercat wrote:
> "-L." > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
>
> My furry fat friend's rabid comments aside, it would be good to have the
> input of a vet on this.
>
> I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid
> regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health problem.

Now you are changing your story. What did you do - finally Google the
phrase like I told you to do 10 posts ago?

*I*, in fact, am the first one who said if the nictating membrane
*shows continually* it may be a sign of illness. You told the OP that
his cat's nictating membranes were showing and so she was sick and
needed to be seen by a vet. You cannot backpedal now, asshole. You
have been caught doleing out the *wrong* infromation, and now are
trying to squeak out of it. No way - the thread is extremely clear.

Here is the original thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/browse_frm/thread/2e762fa02d62e15b/b3afd125b1bd6039?tvc=1#b3afd125b1bd6039

Here is your original post:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.anecdotes/msg/9b9d96b7b633bed5?dmode=source

This is a direct quote from you:

"Beth, the cat's inner eyelid is showing, which nearly always means
dehydration and usually some sort of illness. This is the freak who
enjoys
watching his cats kill mice etc. that he posts photos of the dead
animals.
He's an asshole--and now we know that he is an asshole who does not
take
care of his cats.

To the asshole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is
showing.
Maybe you could take her to the vet instead of photographing her in
stupid
and potentially dangerous situations. Asshole."

You clearly state "your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is
showing."

My reply to you was this:

"This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted. Cats' "inner
eyelids", called the nictating membrane, also show when they are in a
half-sleep, drowsy state, or when they have been snoozing and/or are
content. An apparent nictating membrane is only a sign of illness
when it shows continually. "

To which you replied:

"Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
It is a sign that something is not right."

We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen?

http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg"

You clearly were supporting the stance that the OP needed to take his
cat to a vet because the inner eyelid was showing and that "it is a
sign that something is not right."

Now you are trying to change your story because you know you were
WRONG. No way, Nancy. No one here is that stupid.

Or are you NOW willing to admit that a cat's nictating membran *can*
be showing when it is in a sleepy, drowsy or content state?

-L.

cybercat
January 30th 06, 05:37 PM
"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
> > "-L." > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> >
> > My furry fat friend's rabid comments aside, it would be good to have the
> > input of a vet on this.
> >
> > I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid
> > regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health
problem.
>
> Now you are changing your story. What did you do - finally Google the
> phrase like I told you to do 10 posts ago?
>
>

Down, my fuzzy little stalker pit bull. I did not read that post. Are you
surprised? Your posts rarely interest me, because you are an asshole.

This is a good question for the vets. They are here to disseminate
information, not to bolster their understandably shaky sense of self
esteem, as you are.

-L.
January 30th 06, 05:50 PM
cybercat wrote:
>
> Down, my fuzzy little stalker pit bull. I did not read that post. Are you
> surprised? Your posts rarely interest me, because you are an asshole.

You are lying because you have responded to every post I have made in
this thread. Or are you saying that you respond eventhough you do not
read the post? If that is the case, then it figures - you very often
go off half-cocked with the wrong information.

>
> This is a good question for the vets. They are here to disseminate
> information, not to bolster their understandably shaky sense of self
> esteem, as you are.

I have no problem with self esteem. What I do have a problem with are
morons like you disseminating incorrect information. Answer the
question, Nancy: Are you NOW willing to admit that a cat's nictating
membran *can* be showing when it is in a sleepy, drowsy or content
state?

-L.

NMR
January 30th 06, 06:07 PM
http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml

Sometimes, however, if your cat is very sleepy, and very happy, they will
sometimes show this membrane.

http://cats.about.com/cs/resources/g/nictating.htm
Nictating Membrane"
Glossary

Definition: Noun. An inner, third eyelid, which serves to protect the eye
from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third eyelid will
partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet immediately,
especially if other symptoms are present. Curiously enough, a very happy,
drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane.



http://cats.about.com/cs/eyesvision/a/cats_eyes.htm

The "Third Eyelid"

Cats have an inner, third eyelid, called a nictating membrane, which serves
to protect the eye from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third
eyelid will partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet
immediately if other symptoms present. Curiously enough, a very happy cat
will also show that nictating membrane.



eye problems in cats

http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/

-L.
January 30th 06, 06:12 PM
NMR wrote:
> http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml
>
> Sometimes, however, if your cat is very sleepy, and very happy, they will
> sometimes show this membrane.
>
> http://cats.about.com/cs/resources/g/nictating.htm
> Nictating Membrane"
> Glossary
>
> Definition: Noun. An inner, third eyelid, which serves to protect the eye
> from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third eyelid will
> partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet immediately,
> especially if other symptoms are present. Curiously enough, a very happy,
> drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane.
>
>
>
> http://cats.about.com/cs/eyesvision/a/cats_eyes.htm
>
> The "Third Eyelid"
>
> Cats have an inner, third eyelid, called a nictating membrane, which serves
> to protect the eye from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third
> eyelid will partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet
> immediately if other symptoms present. Curiously enough, a very happy cat
> will also show that nictating membrane.
>
>
>
> eye problems in cats
>
> http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/

Thank you, Matthew. Maybe she will listen to you, since she sure as
hell won't put her baggage away long enough to learn something from me.

-L.

NMR
January 30th 06, 06:41 PM
"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> NMR wrote:
>> http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml
>>
>> Sometimes, however, if your cat is very sleepy, and very happy, they will
>> sometimes show this membrane.
>>
>> http://cats.about.com/cs/resources/g/nictating.htm
>> Nictating Membrane"
>> Glossary
>>
>> Definition: Noun. An inner, third eyelid, which serves to protect the eye
>> from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third eyelid will
>> partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet immediately,
>> especially if other symptoms are present. Curiously enough, a very happy,
>> drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://cats.about.com/cs/eyesvision/a/cats_eyes.htm
>>
>> The "Third Eyelid"
>>
>> Cats have an inner, third eyelid, called a nictating membrane, which
>> serves
>> to protect the eye from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the
>> third
>> eyelid will partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet
>> immediately if other symptoms present. Curiously enough, a very happy cat
>> will also show that nictating membrane.
>>
>>
>>
>> eye problems in cats
>>
>> http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/
>
> Thank you, Matthew. Maybe she will listen to you, since she sure as
> hell won't put her baggage away long enough to learn something from me.
>
> -L.


I did not post it to prove anyone's point just to stop the bickering

<You know I like it real quiet so quiet that when one of the cat farts we
know who did it>

cybercat
January 30th 06, 06:43 PM
"NMR" > wrote in message
.. .
> http://www.petcat.us/root_copy/questions.shtml
>
> Sometimes, however, if your cat is very sleepy, and very happy, they will
> sometimes show this membrane.
>
> http://cats.about.com/cs/resources/g/nictating.htm
> Nictating Membrane"
> Glossary
>
> Definition: Noun. An inner, third eyelid, which serves to protect the eye
> from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the third eyelid will
> partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet immediately,
> especially if other symptoms are present. Curiously enough, a very happy,
> drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane.
>
>
>
> http://cats.about.com/cs/eyesvision/a/cats_eyes.htm
>
> The "Third Eyelid"
>
> Cats have an inner, third eyelid, called a nictating membrane, which
serves
> to protect the eye from dryness and/or damage. When a cat is sick, the
third
> eyelid will partially close, which is a signal to get him to the vet
> immediately if other symptoms present. Curiously enough, a very happy cat
> will also show that nictating membrane.
>
>
>
> eye problems in cats
>
> http://cats.about.com/od/eyeproblemsandblindness/
>
>

So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared
for
cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. I have, however, seen it in
sick
cats, thin strays, etc. My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going
to the vet.
So what if "sometimes" it is a sign that your cat is "very sleepy or very
happy."
I'd rather err on the safe side. And when I see this is a cat enouraged to
eat
rodents by its asshole owner, who then posts the dead rodent photos in the
group, I am doubly convinced that a visit to the vet is in order.

But then, I am not clipping didy coupins and wearing faux Payless
Birkenstocks to save money. I do not find reasons not to take my
cat to the vet, justifying it by saying that the vets "laugh at" people
who bring them in at every sign of concern, as Lyn does.

NMR
January 30th 06, 07:18 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>

there is nothing wrong with erroring on the safe side if you have a furball
you are parent there is no such thing as being wrong if you think something
is wrong; as long as it is not a hypochondriac ( ??? ) thing. I panicked
before I woke rumble up one time to see his 3 eye lid retract have never
seen it before and have never seen it again since then. I rushed him to the
vet.

I have learned that L and you will never get along but that is between you
2. You both are very outspoken in your own ways.

223rem is extremely outspoken specially when it comes to declawing issue.
And I believe it is a him choose to let people have it when it comes to that
issue. His ( Her ) right to do so it is a free www

Personally 223rem bad thing to let furballs hang out in plastic bags but
that is my opinion and I am not placing my opinion on you just stating my
opinion

And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my children
was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing
ass.

-L.
January 30th 06, 07:27 PM
cybercat wrote:
> So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared
> for
> cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen.

You simply are not very observant.

> I have, however, seen it in
> sick
> cats, thin strays, etc.

That's the point. Nictating membranes in and of themselves are not a
sign of illness. Cats that are obviously sick, lethargic, or ailing,
will *sometimes* have their nictating membranes showing. It is very
easy to spot a sick cat with nic mambranes showing - they are not
alert, responsive and they act sick. A well cat with nic membranes
showing almost always are content or sleepy.

>My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going
> to the vet.

That's because you're an idiot. Common sense when it comes to cat
health and behavior is not your forte. You're also the bimbo who
brings the cat to the vet for every minor scratch or wound.


> So what if "sometimes" it is a sign that your cat is "very sleepy or very
> happy."
> I'd rather err on the safe side. And when I see this is a cat enouraged to
> eat
> rodents by its asshole owner, who then posts the dead rodent photos in the
> group, I am doubly convinced that a visit to the vet is in order.

The cat just woke up, according to the OP. It's highly likely the
cat's nic membranes are showing because it is sleepy.

>
> But then, I am not clipping didy coupins and wearing faux Payless
> Birkenstocks to save money.

Why do you think this is a fault? A fool and his money are soon
parted. Besides, I do not use disposable diapers. As you well know, I
use coth. I have posted about the coupons as I clip those coupons for
my friends who do, which you also know. And while I have purchased
shoes at Payless and see nothing wrong with doing so, the "faux
Birkenstocks" you are referring to are Simple clogs. Simple are far
superior to Birks for a number of reasons, and they certainly are not
cheap. But of course, none of the facts of the truth of what I post
fit into your tiny little world of "make fun of Lyn at all costs". You
claim you "rarely read my posts" yet know the minute details of my
daily life as posted to a.i.parenting. Hummmm...how can that be?
Psssst....Your continuous pugnacious behavior and lack of integrity is
why most people have you killfiled.


>I do not find reasons not to take my
> cat to the vet, justifying it by saying that the vets "laugh at" people
> who bring them in at every sign of concern, as Lyn does.

They do laugh at people like you. They have nicknames for people like
you. When they see your phone number pop up on caller ID at the vet,
they argue with each other about who will take the call because you are
such a pain in the ass and a waste of time. The vets *loathe* people
like you because you waste time that could be better served servicing
cats that are truly sick. You are the hypochondriacs of the vet world.

Educate yourself a little bit and learn something, for a change. Put
your biases on the back burner, shut your mouth and listen.

(I know, it's an impossiblity, but we can always hope.)

-L.

-L.
January 30th 06, 07:31 PM
NMR wrote:
> And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my children
> was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing
> ass.

You will never know they are laughing at you. They will smile in your
face, happily take your money and let you out the side door. They will
laugh at you before and after your visit. If it is bad enough, you
will become a reference point for all other people like you. "Oh, is
this one a "Carter" too?

The point is, you have to have some common sense when it comes to
taking care of your cat. A simple Google search will show you that a
nic membrane is not always a sign of illness. You figured that out
right quick. It's amazing that cyberdolt can't seem to do so.

-L.

cybercat
January 30th 06, 07:32 PM
"NMR" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
>
> there is nothing wrong with erroring on the safe side if you have a
furball
> you are parent there is no such thing as being wrong if you think
something
> is wrong; as long as it is not a hypochondriac ( ??? ) thing. I panicked
> before I woke rumble up one time to see his 3 eye lid retract have never
> seen it before and have never seen it again since then. I rushed him to
the
> vet.
>
> I have learned that L and you will never get along but that is between you
> 2. You both are very outspoken in your own ways.
>
> 223rem is extremely outspoken specially when it comes to declawing issue.
> And I believe it is a him choose to let people have it when it comes to
that
> issue. His ( Her ) right to do so it is a free www
>
> Personally 223rem bad thing to let furballs hang out in plastic bags but
> that is my opinion and I am not placing my opinion on you just stating my
> opinion
>
> And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my
children
> was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing
> ass.
>
>

Thank you, Matthew. I still want a vet's take on this.

-L.
January 30th 06, 07:34 PM
NMR wrote:
> there is nothing wrong with erroring on the safe side if you have a furball
> you are parent there is no such thing as being wrong if you think something
> is wrong; as long as it is not a hypochondriac ( ??? ) thing.

BTW - any person who brings their cat repeatedly to the vet for minor
things is a hypochondriac, plain and simple. You have to have some
common sense. Either that, or they simply are too stupid to own a
cat.

-L.

NMR
January 30th 06, 07:38 PM
"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> NMR wrote:
>> And any vet that would laugh at me coming in to make sure one of my
>> children
>> was ok after I paid the vet bill would be knocked flat on their laughing
>> ass.
>
> You will never know they are laughing at you. They will smile in your
> face, happily take your money and let you out the side door. They will
> laugh at you before and after your visit. If it is bad enough, you
> will become a reference point for all other people like you. "Oh, is
> this one a "Carter" too?
>
I don't have to worry about that my vet has been a family friend for almost
2 decades. And you can tell how the other person is if you know people.
The first sign of as I call it down looking out they go right on their
butts. To many years of dealing with the public has given me this insight
when I met you within about 5 minutes I will know how you are.

NMR
January 30th 06, 07:38 PM
> Thank you, Matthew. I still want a vet's take on this.
>
Nothing wrong with that better safe than sorry hope the furball is ok

-L.
January 31st 06, 02:06 AM
Diane wrote:
>
> I used to see it for a few seconds on Pudge once in a while just as she
> was dozing off, like she was so tired she'd lost control, but it was
> rarely and briefly.

I love the image of "so tired she'd lost control". :) You see it a lot
in kittens when they are sleepy, especially when you try to wake them
up when they don't want to be awakened!
-L.

cybercat
January 31st 06, 04:57 AM
"Diane" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> In article >,
> "NMR" > wrote:
>
> > Curiously enough, a very happy,
> > drowsy, cat will sometimes show that nictating membrane.
>
> Pudge did, but it was briefly before dozing off, and of course the rest
> of her attitude was one of health. If she had shown it any other time or
> for more than a few moments, I'd have taken her in to the veterinarian.
>
>

Thanks for adding your input, Diane.

cybercat
January 31st 06, 04:58 AM
"Diane" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> In article >, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
> > I am not the only one who thinks that when you can see the third eyelid
> > regularly/contstantly that it is a sign that there may be a health
problem.
>
> I used to see it for a few seconds on Pudge once in a while just as she
> was dozing off, like she was so tired she'd lost control, but it was
> rarely and briefly.

It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third
eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in.

-L.
January 31st 06, 06:56 AM
cybercat wrote:
>
> It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third
> eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in.

How many people have to tell you it isn't always a sign of illness
before you will get it through your thick head? Jesus christ you are
an idiot! Its not any different than a sneeze - sneezing is sometimes
a sign of illness and other times not. Are you really that ****ing
stupid about cat health? Don't answer that - obviously it's a
rhetorical question...

And BTW, the vets aren't going to respond, so "eagerly" wait all you
want. Moron.

-L.

cybercat
January 31st 06, 07:46 AM
"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
> >
> > It has always been my understanding that seeing this so-called "third
> > eyelid" is not a good thing. I am eager for the vets to weigh in.
>
> How many people have to tell you it isn't always a sign of illness
> before you will get it through your thick head? Jesus christ you are
> an idiot! Its not any different than a sneeze - sneezing is sometimes
> a sign of illness and other times not. Are you really that ****ing
> stupid about cat health? Don't answer that - obviously it's a
> rhetorical question...
>
> And BTW, the vets aren't going to respond, so "eagerly" wait all you
> want. Moron.
>
> -L.
>

Do you feel better, Lyn? I am so happy to be of service. Just don't
take your misery out on your child.

-L.
January 31st 06, 08:08 AM
cybercat wrote:
> Do you feel better, Lyn? I am so happy to be of service. Just don't
> take your misery out on your child.

Fell better about what? About you being such a moron? Doesn't bother
me - I am just shocked that a pet owner can actually be so stupid.

And don't worry your pretty little head about my, kid, ok? And yes,
that's a warning.

-L.

buglady
January 31st 06, 01:32 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...

.........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more.

buglady
takeout the dog before replying

cybercat
January 31st 06, 02:54 PM
"buglady" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more.
>

That was Lynnie, the ex groomer pinging her. :)

I am so surprised she is not in the loop.

January 31st 06, 04:58 PM
buglady wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more.

Thanks. I had seen her at mkp so thought she still popped in here
sometimes too. I know there are a couple other vets online, but she's
the only one I know by name.
-L.

Hillary Israeli
January 31st 06, 08:46 PM
In om>,
-L. > wrote:

*
*Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly

!!!

:)

Actually I am a VMD.

Regarding the picture at http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg I do not see
anything obviously abnormal, except for the garbage bag around the cat...

-Hillary "known Usenet entity" Israeli
hee hee

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

Hillary Israeli
January 31st 06, 08:48 PM
In >,
cybercat > wrote:

*
*So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared
*for
*cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. I have, however, seen it in
*sick
*cats, thin strays, etc. My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going

That is interesting. I see the third eyelid showing in my own pet cats
when they are lounging around sometimes, and I don't think anything of it.
Obviously if there were other clinical signs of illness, or if the third
eyelid were always visible, that would be something else entirely.

-h.

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

Hillary Israeli
January 31st 06, 08:48 PM
In m>,
> wrote:

*
*buglady wrote:
*> "cybercat" > wrote in message
*> ...
*>
*> ........Hillary's busy with 3 kids and doesn't hang out here any more.
*
*Thanks. I had seen her at mkp so thought she still popped in here
*sometimes too. I know there are a couple other vets online, but she's
*the only one I know by name.

:)

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

-L.
January 31st 06, 08:51 PM
Hillary Israeli wrote:
> In om>,
> -L. > wrote:
>
> *
> *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly
>
> !!!
>
> :)
>
> Actually I am a VMD.
>
> Regarding the picture at http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg I do not see
> anything obviously abnormal, except for the garbage bag around the cat...
>
> -Hillary "known Usenet entity" Israeli
> hee hee

Thank you. Just for clarification, is it not true that the nictating
membranes may show on a cat when it is drowsy, sleepy or content?

-L.

-L.
January 31st 06, 08:59 PM
Hillary Israeli wrote:
> In >,
> cybercat > wrote:
>
> *
> *So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy, well-cared
> *for
> *cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. I have, however, seen it in
> *sick
> *cats, thin strays, etc. My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is going
>
> That is interesting. I see the third eyelid showing in my own pet cats
> when they are lounging around sometimes, and I don't think anything of it.
> Obviously if there were other clinical signs of illness, or if the third
> eyelid were always visible, that would be something else entirely.
>
> -h.
>
> --
> Hillary Israeli, VMD
> Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
> too dark to read." --Groucho Marx


Ok, cyberfreak,
If this isn't enough for you, what is? Let this be a lesson for you
to put away your biases, shut your fat mouth and learn something, for a
change.

-L.

223rem
January 31st 06, 09:03 PM
Hillary Israeli wrote:

> Actually I am a VMD.
>
> Regarding the picture at http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg I do not see
> anything obviously abnormal, except for the garbage bag around the cat...
>
> -Hillary "known Usenet entity" Israeli
> hee hee
>

Thanks--not that the pseudo-concerned oligophren who crossposted this thread
was taken seriously to begin with.

Google likes to sleep in that bag which is full of old clothes. A cat
has sharp claws and teeth, and therefore can easily tear its way out of a
plastic bag in case it gets entangled.

cybercat
January 31st 06, 09:32 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
> In >,
> cybercat > wrote:
>
> *
> *So, how would you interpret this, NMR? I have had three healthy,
well-cared
> *for
> *cats whose "third eyelids" I have never seen. I have, however, seen it in
> *sick
> *cats, thin strays, etc. My interpretation is, if I see it the cat is
going
>
> That is interesting. I see the third eyelid showing in my own pet cats
> when they are lounging around sometimes, and I don't think anything of it.
> Obviously if there were other clinical signs of illness, or if the third
> eyelid were always visible, that would be something else entirely.
>

Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very
likely be a sign that something is wrong.

Hillary Israeli
January 31st 06, 09:36 PM
In . com>,
-L. > wrote:

*Thank you. Just for clarification, is it not true that the nictating
*membranes may show on a cat when it is drowsy, sleepy or content?

Yes.
It can also show under various other circumstances. One of my favorites is
commonly known as "haws," and is a completely benign condition which will,
as my optho lecturer put it, "get better in three months no matter what
your treatment or lack of it may be," hee hee

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
"known Usenet entity"
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

cybercat
January 31st 06, 09:38 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
> In om>,
> -L. > wrote:
>
> *
> *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly
>
> !!!
>
> :)
>
> Actually I am a VMD.
>
> Regarding the picture at http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg I do not see
> anything obviously abnormal, except for the garbage bag around the cat...
>

That kind of bothered me too.

January 31st 06, 10:39 PM
cybercat wrote:
> Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very
> likely be a sign that something is wrong.

No, dumb-as-rocks. She just told you that it WOULD NOT. How freaking
stupid can one person be?!?
-L.

-L.
January 31st 06, 11:01 PM
cybercat wrote:
>
> Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would very
> likely be a sign that something is wrong.

No, dumb-as-rocks. She just told you it WOULD NOT. How daft can you
possibly be?

-L.

josh
January 31st 06, 11:55 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
> In om>,
> -L. > wrote:
>
> *
> *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly
>
> !!!
>
> :)
>
> Actually I am a Pennwe


There, fixed that for you.

-L.
February 1st 06, 01:16 AM
Diane wrote:
> I think that's a fair assumption, because it would be out of the
> ordinary for your particular cats --

No, cat's don't "magicaly" develop their own criteria for illness. The
appearance of the nictating membranes in and of themselves on any cat
is not a sign of illness. If they are accompanied by "clinical signs
of illness", as the good doctor said, or they are "always visible," it
is something to be concerned about.

>I think I mentioned earlier that
> the cat and the context matter. If I saw it in Hodge, I might be
> concerned, because he never gets that relaxed and it'd be out of
> character; I may have seen it when he had the fever a few years ago and
> was really out of it.

You may have just never seen him in a half-sleepy, drowsy state or
really relaxed. The difference is, in a sick cat, it won't be fleeting
- it will continue to show off and on when the cat opens his eyes. The
cat will *look* sick. Did you see the face of the cat in the herpes
thread? There are pictures with and without the nictating membrane
showing. The cat is obviously sick - just look at his face. He is
showing *other signs of clinical illness* - weepy and half-closed eyes.
Sick cats with nic membranes showing will often sit hunched up, be
lethargic, have discharge from the nose, eyes, or mouth, sneeze, etc.
It will never be solely nic membranes showing, on a sick cat.

>
> In Pudge, I saw it once in a while when she was really relaxed, and when
> I knew her to be healthy, and it was briefly, for a few seconds, so it
> didn't bother me.
>
> It's like a physician's assistant who posts online says; diagnoses
> really have to be done in person, by a physician.

Obviously, but for something as simple as a present nictating membrane,
it's really a no-brainer. Cats often show them when they are sleepy or
content.

>
> Speaking of Hodge, he's yowling like a girl in heat. I hate it when that
> happens. Bet the neighbors love it, too. :)

According to cybercat, you better rush him to the vet, then! Howling
is a sign of pain, you know...

-L.

buglady
February 1st 06, 01:27 AM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...

hee hee
>
> Hillary Israeli, VMD
> "known Usenet entity"
> Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth

.........you been in the wine again? ;-)

buglady
take out the dog before replying

cybercat
February 1st 06, 01:39 AM
"buglady" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> hee hee
> >
> > Hillary Israeli, VMD
> > "known Usenet entity"
> > Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
>
> ........you been in the wine again? ;-)
>

It does sound that way. :)

cybercat
February 1st 06, 02:08 AM
"Diane" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> In article >, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would
very
> > likely be a sign that something is wrong.
>
> I think that's a fair assumption, because it would be out of the
> ordinary for your particular cats -- I think I mentioned earlier that
> the cat and the context matter. If I saw it in Hodge, I might be
> concerned, because he never gets that relaxed and it'd be out of
> character; I may have seen it when he had the fever a few years ago and
> was really out of it.
>
> In Pudge, I saw it once in a while when she was really relaxed, and when
> I knew her to be healthy, and it was briefly, for a few seconds, so it
> didn't bother me.
>
> It's like a physician's assistant who posts online says; diagnoses
> really have to be done in person, by a physician.

Yep, that's true. I have always seen the third eyelid in cats that have
obvious
problems--strays and cats that are truly sick. I had mentioned this before
when
commenting on KitKat's baby Jasper, whose third lid shows in most pictures.
He does have some health problems, but I hope I did not worry her
unnecessarily.

>
> Speaking of Hodge, he's yowling like a girl in heat. I hate it when that
> happens. Bet the neighbors love it, too. :)
>

:) Why is he yowling? Mommy not paying enough attention to him?

-L.
February 1st 06, 06:32 AM
cybercat wrote:
> "Diane" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > In article >, "cybercat" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks. I take it since I never seen it in my cats, if I do, it would
> very
> > > likely be a sign that something is wrong.
> >
> > I think that's a fair assumption, because it would be out of the
> > ordinary for your particular cats -- I think I mentioned earlier that
> > the cat and the context matter. If I saw it in Hodge, I might be
> > concerned, because he never gets that relaxed and it'd be out of
> > character; I may have seen it when he had the fever a few years ago and
> > was really out of it.
> >
> > In Pudge, I saw it once in a while when she was really relaxed, and when
> > I knew her to be healthy, and it was briefly, for a few seconds, so it
> > didn't bother me.
> >
> > It's like a physician's assistant who posts online says; diagnoses
> > really have to be done in person, by a physician.
>
> Yep, that's true. I have always seen the third eyelid in cats that have
> obvious
> problems--strays and cats that are truly sick. I had mentioned this before
> when
> commenting on KitKat's baby Jasper, whose third lid shows in most pictures.
> He does have some health problems, but I hope I did not worry her
> unnecessarily.
>
> >
> > Speaking of Hodge, he's yowling like a girl in heat. I hate it when that
> > happens. Bet the neighbors love it, too. :)
> >
>
> :) Why is he yowling? Mommy not paying enough attention to him?

And this is obviously going to be your only response. No "Sorry I was
wrong" no "Sorry, Hillary, for doubting your credentials" No apology to
the OP for telling him his cat is sick and accusing him of neglect
when neither case was true...and OF COURSE no apology to ME for
challenging *everything* I posted which was CORRECT.

Of course not. Your agenda is all too clear.

-L.

Hillary Israeli
February 1st 06, 05:36 PM
In et>,
josh > wrote:

*
*"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
*> In om>,
*> -L. > wrote:
*>
*> *
*> *Hillary Israeli, DVM is a known Usenet entity. She is a DVM in Philly
*>
*> !!!
*>
*> :)
*>
*> Actually I am a Pennwe
*
*
*There, fixed that for you.

/me smacks josh with giant LART

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

Hillary Israeli
February 1st 06, 05:39 PM
In et>,
buglady > wrote:

*
*"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
*
*hee hee
*>
*> Hillary Israeli, VMD
*> "known Usenet entity"
*> Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
*
*........you been in the wine again? ;-)

My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always
get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor,
Please be advised that Downtheroad Hospital has just hired specialist Jim
Johnson, board-eligible in specialty-of-the-week. Please feel free to
refer any specialty cases his way!".... So, he wants to send out a "Dear
Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet
Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :)

I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on
the front.

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

-L.
February 1st 06, 07:07 PM
Hillary Israeli wrote:
> My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always
> get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor,
> Please be advised that Downtheroad Hospital has just hired specialist Jim
> Johnson, board-eligible in specialty-of-the-week. Please feel free to
> refer any specialty cases his way!".... So, he wants to send out a "Dear
> Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet
> Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :)
>
> I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on
> the front.

LOL...glad to be of service. Sorta sounds sci-fi or something, eh?
ST:TNG: Stardate 3482671. Today we found Formerly Unknown Usenet Entity
Hillary Israeli....

-L.

cybercat
February 1st 06, 07:47 PM
"-L." > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Hillary Israeli wrote:
> > My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always
> > get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor,
> > Please be advised that Downtheroad Hospital has just hired specialist
Jim
> > Johnson, board-eligible in specialty-of-the-week. Please feel free to
> > refer any specialty cases his way!".... So, he wants to send out a "Dear
> > Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet
> > Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :)
> >
> > I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on
> > the front.
>
> LOL...glad to be of service.

Jesus. What a buffoon you are. LOL, indeed.

-L.
February 1st 06, 07:54 PM
cybercat wrote:
>
> Jesus. What a buffoon you are. LOL, indeed.

Um, no Dear. This thread has proven, without a doubt, who the
"baffoon" is.

-L.

--
"To the asshole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is
showing."
--Nancy, AKA cybercat,
RPCH+B 1/29/06

buglady
February 1st 06, 09:15 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
> In et>,
"Dear
> Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet
> Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :)
>
> I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on
> the front.

..........Now the Tee I could see!
........but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be
*known*.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

cybercat
February 1st 06, 11:05 PM
"buglady" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In et>,
> "Dear
> > Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet
> > Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :)
> >
> > I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on
> > the front.
>
> .........Now the Tee I could see!
> .......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be
> *known*.

It would be great. We need input from the pros.

February 1st 06, 11:13 PM
cybercat wrote:
> It would be great. We need input from the pros.

Not "we" Dearie - you. Most of us can do our own research, listen to
others' input and have common sense and experience. Obviously you
didn't learn a God-damned thing in this thread.

Besides, a vet wouldn't touch H+B, since you and your screw-crew
arrived.

-L.

Hillary Israeli
February 3rd 06, 12:46 PM
In . net>,
buglady > wrote:

*.........Now the Tee I could see!
*.......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be
**known*.

I do what I can :)
The baby just turned one (!!) so perhaps there is light at the end of the
tunnel... of course, I just added in an extra day at work, so...

Interestingly, I just saw a kitten with severe conjunctivitis. I am pretty
sure he has calicivirus due to the multiple tongue ulcers - but gosh darn
it, I never saw an animal with such an ulcerated tongue from calicivirus
who was still happily eating and drinking like this guy!

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

Christina Websell
February 3rd 06, 05:59 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
> In et>,
> buglady > wrote:
>
> *
> *"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
> ...
> *
> *hee hee
> *>
> *> Hillary Israeli, VMD
> *> "known Usenet entity"
> *> Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
> *
> *........you been in the wine again? ;-)
>
> My boss is considering sending out a press release. You know, we always
> get these mailings from local practices with specialists "Dear Doctor,
> Please be advised that Downtheroad Hospital has just hired specialist Jim
> Johnson, board-eligible in specialty-of-the-week. Please feel free to
> refer any specialty cases his way!".... So, he wants to send out a "Dear
> Doctor, Please be advised that Ourpractice now has available to your pet
> Known Usenet Entity Dr Hillary Israeli!" :)
>
> I'm also considering buying a t-shirt that says "known usenet entity" on
> the front.
>
> --
> Hillary Israeli, VMD
>

It was a wonderful phrase, wasn't it? It made me smile, anyway. I would
*definitely* get a tee shirt printed. "Hillary Israeli, VMD. Known Usenet
Entity"
Wow. You lucky thing! ;-)

Tweed
in England

buglady
February 3rd 06, 11:06 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
...
> In . net>,
> buglady > wrote:
>
> *.........Now the Tee I could see!
> *.......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be
> **known*.
>
> I do what I can :)
> The baby just turned one (!!) so perhaps there is light at the end of the
> tunnel... of course, I just added in an extra day at work, so...

.........geez, I feel for you Hillary! Soon you'll have one more on his/her
feet! Are they all boys?

>but gosh darn
> it, I never saw an animal with such an ulcerated tongue from calicivirus
> who was still happily eating and drinking like this guy!

.........Very weird - must be a critter who is insensitive to pain. Or else
he used to be a dog in a former life - most likely a lab. ;-)

buglady
take out the dog before replying

cool tiger
February 4th 06, 10:39 AM
Cybercat you are right, I wouldn't trust anyone signing their name as 223Rem
( a bullet for hunting small animals).




"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "-L." > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> cybercat wrote:
>> > "Beth" > wrote>
>> > >>>http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Uhm...from the look on your cat's face, it's not too happy about
> being
>> > in the bag. I can't decide if its eyes look sleepy or upset.
>> >
>> > Beth, the cat's inner eyelid is showing, which nearly always means
>> > dehydration and usually some sort of illness. This is the freak who
> enjoys
>> > watching his cats kill mice etc. that he posts photos of the dead
> animals.
>> > He's an asshole--and now we know that he is an asshole who does not
>> > take
>> > care of his cats.
>> >
>> > To the asshole: your cat needs to see a vet. Her inner eyelid is
> showing.
>>
>> This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted. Cats' "inner
>> eyelids", called the nictating membrane, also show when they are in a
>> half-sleep, drowsy state, or when they have been snoozing and/or are
>> content. An apparent nictating membrane is only a sign of illness
>> when it shows continually.
>>
>
> Nonsense. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about.
> It is a sign that something is not right.
>
> We'll leave it to the vets. Ladies and gentlemen?
>
> http://i1.tinypic.com/mkvtiq.jpg
>
>

NMR
February 4th 06, 06:22 PM
"cool tiger" > wrote in message
...
> Cybercat you are right, I wouldn't trust anyone signing their name as
> 223Rem ( a bullet for hunting small animals).
>
You have no knowledge about ammunition do you you are thinking about a 22 a
..223 rem is what the use in M16 you know the weapon the military uses. And
223rem is an ok person who is just outspoken about declawing

cool tiger
February 5th 06, 06:34 AM
look up google 223 rem is a bullet ( 223 Remington) and that's lethal has
nothing to do with declawing
M16 or .22 calibre anyone who names themselves after a bullet I would be
suspicious of them.


"NMR" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "cool tiger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cybercat you are right, I wouldn't trust anyone signing their name as
>> 223Rem ( a bullet for hunting small animals).
>>
> You have no knowledge about ammunition do you you are thinking about a 22
> a .223 rem is what the use in M16 you know the weapon the military uses.
> And 223rem is an ok person who is just outspoken about declawing
>

NMR
February 5th 06, 08:33 AM
NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER
or it will come back and bite you in the rear I always say

Hillary Israeli
February 8th 06, 12:38 PM
In . net>,
buglady > wrote:

*
*"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
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*> In . net>,
*> buglady > wrote:
*>
*> *.........Now the Tee I could see!
*> *.......but you better show up at least once a month so you'll still be
*> **known*.
*>
*> I do what I can :)
*> The baby just turned one (!!) so perhaps there is light at the end of the
*> tunnel... of course, I just added in an extra day at work, so...
*
*........geez, I feel for you Hillary! Soon you'll have one more on his/her
*feet! Are they all boys?

The oldest is a boy, then there are two girls :)

h.

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

buglady
February 8th 06, 10:37 PM
"Hillary Israeli" > wrote in message
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> The oldest is a boy, then there are two girls :)

...........Enough variety to keep anyone happy! I have a friend that just
had her 3rd boy a few months ago. I feel sooooo sorry for her......... ;-)

buglady
take out the dog before replying