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Linc-thra
February 11th 06, 07:34 AM
He is normally an active cat, and with the other cats we have they are kept
moving generally. However, today he laid in the same spot all day. He didn't
even move when I picked him up (which is unusual as he doesn't really like
being picked up). The most he will do is maybe roll over or lift his head. He
hasn't eaten or drank anything I've tried to give him in the last 2 hours
either. When one of the other cats pawed at him, he didn't even react.

I've also noticed that every once in a while he will tremble slightly.

His eyes are clean, no problems there and there doesn't seem to be any
problems with his feces or nose.

Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to the
vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
place to live if it comes down to that.

-Lincthra

February 11th 06, 12:39 PM
Linc-thra wrote:

> Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to the
> vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
> place to live if it comes down to that.
>

This sounds very serious, but the only way to determine anything is to
go to the vet. Something this serious cannot be treated at home.

You do have some options:

Find a vet with payment plans.
Go to your local craiglist and start listing stuff for sale.
Borrow from friends and relatives. Beg if you have to.
Get a payday loan or bank loan.
Work more hours.
Get a second job.
Eat cheap (top ramen, mac & cheese).
Skipp extras (coffee, pop, fast food, etc).


In regard to your cat, you have 3 options:

Get him treated at a vet.
Euthanize him and spare him a slow death.
Let him waste away and wonder what happened.

I don't know what else to tell you. I know what it is like to be broke
and have something come up. You do what you gotta do.

A few years ago, my dog got mange. She's a sheltie and cannot take the
standard (and cheap) treatment. So, I had to do an initial exam, buy a
bottle of special medicine ($60), 6 treatments ($45-55 each), 2
followup tests, and bloodwork ($150) to make sure she didn't have a
serious underlying condition since this type of mange is rare in
healthy adults. It cost me over $600 in 3 months.

I managed to get through all that, but a week before her last
treatment, Maynard got an abcess. $243 due that day. It wiped me out.
Instead of mailing out checks to pay bills, I paid the vet. It messed
up my credit for awhile, and I had to pay late fees and overlimit fees.
I also had to borrow money just to pay for my own food that week. But I
don't regret it for a second. My cats and dogs are worth more to me
than my credit rating or extra fees.

Just this week, when Kira seemed to be putting together some symptoms
that scared me, I went down to the bank and got a payday type loan. I
wanted to make sure that I had enough money to cover any tests that
needed to be done. I was lucky that I didn't have to spend nearly as
much as I expected. But I was ready to.

You will find a way to pay for the care. You will *make* a way.

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but there aren't many options.
Your cat needs medical care right away, assuming he hasn't already
died. He might have been poisened, electricuted, or have a serious
illness. You need to decide how much you love your cat and how far you
are willing to go.

whayface
February 11th 06, 01:38 PM
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:55:13 GMT, "Ryan Robbins" > wrote:

>> Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to
>> the
>> vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
>> place to live if it comes down to that.
>
>You have little choice but to take him to the vet, because no one here is
>qualified to diagnose him, and no reputable vet will offer a diagnosis
>without examining him. Some vets are willing to negotiate a payment
>arrangement. But if you try to save money now, you may end up having to
>spend a whole lot of money later -- and by then it might be too late.
>


It needs to go to the vet!!

I would say that if you can not work something out with vet then maybe there is a family
member that might be willing to help out??

If you really can not afford a pet I would suggest rehoming it with someone that can
afford to care for it the way it should be taken care of.

Do you have human kids?? What would you do if they acted the same way?? Take them to
doctor or leave them lay and ask in the news groups what to do??

I realize sometimes it is hard to come up with funds but remember:

How would you like to be treated if it were you in their place??



My babies
http://members.aol.com/larrystark/

Joe Canuck
February 11th 06, 02:05 PM
Linc-thra wrote:
> He is normally an active cat, and with the other cats we have they are kept
> moving generally. However, today he laid in the same spot all day. He didn't
> even move when I picked him up (which is unusual as he doesn't really like
> being picked up). The most he will do is maybe roll over or lift his head. He
> hasn't eaten or drank anything I've tried to give him in the last 2 hours
> either. When one of the other cats pawed at him, he didn't even react.
>
> I've also noticed that every once in a while he will tremble slightly.
>
> His eyes are clean, no problems there and there doesn't seem to be any
> problems with his feces or nose.

If he isn't moving how do you know there is no problem with his feces?

>
> Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to the
> vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
> place to live if it comes down to that.
>
> -Lincthra

JJ
February 11th 06, 02:16 PM
Animal neglect is repulsive and illegal.

February 11th 06, 02:45 PM
The trembling is probably due to fever - please take the kitty to a vet
now!

PawsForThought
February 11th 06, 02:57 PM
whayface wrote:
> My babies
> http://members.aol.com/larrystark/

Your babies are adorable :)

Joe Canuck
February 11th 06, 03:05 PM
PawsForThought wrote:
> whayface wrote:
>> My babies
>> http://members.aol.com/larrystark/
>
> Your babies are adorable :)
>

Yes, I noticed one of them is wearing glasses. Someone was asking about
that in here a while back.

:-D

Anna via CatKB.com
February 11th 06, 08:38 PM
>He is normally an active cat, and with the other cats we have they are kept
>moving generally. However, today he laid in the same spot all day. He didn't
>even move when I picked him up (which is unusual as he doesn't really like
>being picked up). The most he will do is maybe roll over or lift his head. He
>hasn't eaten or drank anything I've tried to give him in the last 2 hours
>either. When one of the other cats pawed at him, he didn't even react.
>Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to the
>vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
>place to live if it comes down to that.

If you explain to the vet once you get your pet there - don't phone, just go -
that you need to put on payment plan or something like that, I'm sure they
won't turn you away. He could have a blocked bladder for all you know; if he
does and you don't get him to vet, he'll die from the toxins in his blood or
from his bladder bursting. It could be anything; he's obviously suffering!
Please take him to vet *immediately*. If you can't afford the bills then at
least he will be put down humanely, he won't suffer and slowly die an
agonizing death. In fact, this is criminal where I live; our Humane Society
would charge someone if they knew they didn't take a pet that was in pain and
needed medical attention to vet.

Anna

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Anna via CatKB.com
February 11th 06, 08:40 PM
>In regard to your cat, you have 3 options:
>
>Get him treated at a vet.
>Euthanize him and spare him a slow death.
>Let him waste away and wonder what happened.

The last one is *never* an option - it's criminal.

Anna

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February 12th 06, 04:25 AM
Linc-thra wrote:
> He is normally an active cat, and with the other cats we have they are kept
> moving generally. However, today he laid in the same spot all day. He didn't
> even move when I picked him up (which is unusual as he doesn't really like
> being picked up). The most he will do is maybe roll over or lift his head. He
> hasn't eaten or drank anything I've tried to give him in the last 2 hours
> either. When one of the other cats pawed at him, he didn't even react.
>
> I've also noticed that every once in a while he will tremble slightly.
>
> His eyes are clean, no problems there and there doesn't seem to be any
> problems with his feces or nose.
>
> Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to the
> vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
> place to live if it comes down to that.
>
> -Lincthra

You really need to take him to a vet, despite finances. Pay via cc now
& worry about paying it next month, or make a payment program deal with
the vet if s/he is amenable to that option.

He sounds definitely ill, & no one here can tell, esp. via the
internet, what is causing his extreme lethargy. He stands a better
chance if taken in to the vet ASAP (tonight) & being diagnosed &
treated, Vs. waiting because of worrying about the resultant bill.

Cathy

February 12th 06, 07:20 AM
Anna via CatKB.com wrote:
> >In regard to your cat, you have 3 options:
> >
> >Get him treated at a vet.
> >Euthanize him and spare him a slow death.
> >Let him waste away and wonder what happened.
>
> The last one is *never* an option - it's criminal.
>

It isn't one for me, but sadly, it is one for many people, and I think
that includes the original poster. As badly as the cat sounded, I
suspect he may already be dead.

I was hoping they would realize just how bad that option does sound,
when said straight out, and haul ass to the vet.

Even Jasper was in better condition than that the night he died.
Unfortunately, we didn't have a 24 hour vet back then. I was hoping he
would last til morning so that I could be sitting in the parking lot
waiting for the vet to arrive. But he died at 3:06 am. And it wasn't
peaceful. He had been improving and seemed fine when I left for work at
2pm. It doesn't take long for something to happen, and it was obvious
when I got home at 11pm that he was near death. I would give anything
to have been off work that day so that I could see the change before it
was too late.

I don't understand how people can see it, know something is very wrong,
and not do something about it.

PawsForThought
February 12th 06, 07:34 AM
Joe Canuck wrote:
> PawsForThought wrote:
> > whayface wrote:
> >> My babies
> >> http://members.aol.com/larrystark/
> >
> > Your babies are adorable :)
> >
>
> Yes, I noticed one of them is wearing glasses. Someone was asking about
> that in here a while back.
>
> :-D

LMAO!

Judy
February 12th 06, 08:00 AM
"Linc-thra" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> He is normally an active cat, and with the other cats we have they are
> kept
> moving generally. However, today he laid in the same spot all day. He
> didn't
> even move when I picked him up (which is unusual as he doesn't really like
> being picked up). The most he will do is maybe roll over or lift his head.
> He
> hasn't eaten or drank anything I've tried to give him in the last 2 hours
> either. When one of the other cats pawed at him, he didn't even react.
>
> I've also noticed that every once in a while he will tremble slightly.
>
> His eyes are clean, no problems there and there doesn't seem to be any
> problems with his feces or nose.
>
> Any help would be greatly apprechiated as I cannot afford to take him to
> the
> vet, and will have to choose between keeping my cat healthy or keeping my
> place to live if it comes down to that.
>
> -Lincthra

Have to imagine that if you took on a part time job that you could afford to
take care of your cat and wouldn't have to choose between his health and
your place to live.

I have had a second job for 27 years. Dedicated income for the animal lives
I chose to take on.

Anna via CatKB.com
February 12th 06, 11:51 PM
>It isn't one for me, but sadly, it is one for many people, and I think
>that includes the original poster. As badly as the cat sounded, I
>suspect he may already be dead.
>I was hoping they would realize just how bad that option does sound,
>when said straight out, and haul ass to the vet.

Sorry! - I didn't mean that they way it sounded - I didn't think this was
something you would do; I just wanted the person to know it would be very bad
to do this just in case she didn't listen to you, but it came out looking
like I was talking to you. I understand it was to get her/him to get going
to vet. I don't understand why people have time to ask questions on the
Internet when they're pet is doing very badly when it would take just as much
time if not less to pick up the phone and call the vet. Those posts are
upsetting; then they don't come back and let you know if all is okay.

So sorry about your Jasper. They can go so fast, can't they? One minute
their fine, the next they're not. One of mine blocked up one night but he
acted *totally* normal during the day and even ate dinner (apparently they're
not supposed to be hungry when this happens). The way it works here is we
call the vet's # after hours and the Nurse's Registry answers; they page vet
and she/he calls you. We explain problem and they let us know if it's
emergency or not, then meet us at clinic. The only thing I don't like is
they tell you on the phone that it will be a lot more because it is after
hours. That could cause some people to not bring their pet in but maybe they
have to tell you(?) Maybe people have freaked out when they found out later
or refused to pay. They even had to do up an estimate before they started; I
didn't care how much it cost, but again they probably had to to find out
first if the fee would be something I was willing to pay due to the fact that
other customers may have refused to pay afterward.

Anna

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February 13th 06, 08:33 AM
Anna via CatKB.com wrote:

> Sorry! - I didn't mean that they way it sounded - I didn't think this was
> something you would do;

That's okay. I was kinda vague when I wrote it. I meant for that option
to sound offensive, but I didn't actually say it was offensive. So, I
wasn't sure if it came across that I thought it was a valid option.


> to vet. I don't understand why people have time to ask questions on the
> Internet when they're pet is doing very badly when it would take just as much
> time if not less to pick up the phone and call the vet. Those posts are
> upsetting; then they don't come back and let you know if all is okay.

Yes, and most vets have a message with a number to the nearest 24 hour
vet. I realize many small towns do not have 24 hour vets, but calling
one in another city would be better than waiting at the computer.
>
> So sorry about your Jasper. They can go so fast, can't they? One minute
> their fine, the next they're not.

Yes, it was a whirlwind with Jasper. My mom found him by the side of
the road, injured. So, she took him to the local vet. She came home and
told me about this wonderful cat. He had a head injure, yet he was
still purring and buttinghis head into my mom's hands. I was in love
before I saw him. He just sounded like an awesome cat.

A few of my mom's friends helped us pay the vet bill (over $700) so
that we could keep him. We had a sign up at the vet's office, but he
really looked like a stray, severly underweight.

When he came home, he was such a sweetheart. He had to be in pain still
and his balance was messed up. He was blinded in one eye as well as
having a broken jaw, swollen sinues, etc. He was also very gross if you
looked or smelled too much. His fur was still matted with blood in it.
His jaw was wired open, so his food and drool was just hanging off his
mouth. I had some dry heaves while cleaning him, and I could not eat
while sitting with him. But I would sit and read with him on my lap,
and I brushed him a lot to clean up his coat.

His improvement was immense, and things were going great. Then he got
sick, vomiting his food, and having diarhea. He was back at the vet a
couple times the week he died, and he seemed to clear up and was
getting better again.

Unfortunately, I do not know what really killed him. At the time, we
thought that maybe he had a pre-existing illness, or maybe a missed
injury. Or just the change in diet messed up his system, and being so
underweight, he couldn't get through it.

But last year, I made a horrific discovery. You see, our old first aid
book for cats recommends pepto bismal. When his diarhea hit, we used
it. But we didn't know that pepto bismal has changed. It now has an
ingredient that is dangerous to cats. So, it is possible that this is
what killed him, and there is no way to know for sure. It was like
losing him all over again, to realize that I may have caused it.

I chucked that book, and I will never ever give anything that is not
recommended by a vet currently. I don't ever want to make a mistake
like that again.

It's strange. That whole experience with Jasper lasted less than 3
weeks. Yet, he left a huge impression on me. He was the sweetest cat,
very brave (he never backed down from his fears), and he was such a
joy. My mom named him Jasper because it means "hidden treasure". It fit
since a wonderful cat was hidden under the matted fur, drool, and gross
looking injuries. And he really was a treasure.

His greatest legacy to me was showing me that my decisions to euthanize
my cats and dogs when the time is right, is not something that I should
ever doubt or feel guilty about. I had felt guilty about making the
decision with Fiona and Seusy, always wishing they could have died at
home, peacefully, in my arms. With Jasper, I learned that it isn't
always peaceful. He died at home, and in my arms, but it wasn't
peaceful. Fiona and Seusy (and later Maynard) were euthanized. It may
not have been at home, but they were in my arms, and they were
peaceful. Much much better than letting it happen naturally. Those
decisions don't bother me like they used to. Strangely, Jasper's death,
the worst day of my life, gave me peace about the others. That helped
me a lot when Maynard had liver failure last May, and I know it will
help me in the future as I plan to have multiple animals the rest of my
life.


One of mine blocked up one night but he
> acted *totally* normal during the day and even ate dinner (apparently they're
> not supposed to be hungry when this happens). The way it works here is we
> call the vet's # after hours and the Nurse's Registry answers; they page vet
> and she/he calls you. We explain problem and they let us know if it's
> emergency or not, then meet us at clinic.

10 years ago, our vet just gave a number of a 24 hour vet phone
service. I called that once when Kira was messing with her stitches. I
don't know when the 24 hour vets started up. My sister's vet has been
24 hour for at least a year. I took Kira to a 24 hour vet 3 or 4 years
ago. I believe they are actually closed during regular business hours
and open on weekends, holidays, and overnight. When you get there, you
ring the doorbell, and they come down and let you in, They must have an
apartment upstairs for the vet people.


The only thing I don't like is
> they tell you on the phone that it will be a lot more because it is after
> hours. That could cause some people to not bring their pet in but maybe they
> have to tell you(?) Maybe people have freaked out when they found out later
> or refused to pay. They even had to do up an estimate before they started; I
> didn't care how much it cost, but again they probably had to to find out
> first if the fee would be something I was willing to pay due to the fact that
> other customers may have refused to pay afterward.
>

I think they are required to. What bothers me is how some of them
really raise the rates. My sister's vet charges double on Saturdays and
triple on Sundays. I don't know what it is overnight.

The 24 hour vet that I went to is much better in regard to price. They
charge a $25 emergency fee, and then everything else is regular price,
and it's pretty reasonable. So, when I took Kira on Easter Sunday, They
did an exam, gave her a shot since she was dehydrated, and she went
home feeling much better. The massage part of the exam seemed to do the
trick. And it only cost me $82 which was less than I expected. The same
thing at my sister's vet would have cost at least $150.

I suspect hearing that even the medication is double or triple would
probably cause some people to not come in. If that was my only option,
I'd do it. But I would feel pretty cheated paying triple for
medication. I think the emergency fee + standard pricing is much more
fair. I understand paying extra, but I think double and triple on
everything is taking advantage.

Anna via CatKB.com
February 13th 06, 05:52 PM
>having a broken jaw, swollen sinues, etc. He was also very gross if you
>looked or smelled too much. His fur was still matted with blood in it.
>His jaw was wired open, so his food and drool was just hanging off his

Your mom was an angel for stopping; most people would have just driven by him.
And to take him to vet and pay for his recovery was great of all of you.

>But last year, I made a horrific discovery. You see, our old first aid
>book for cats recommends pepto bismal. When his diarhea hit, we used
>it. But we didn't know that pepto bismal has changed. It now has an
>ingredient that is dangerous to cats. So, it is possible that this is
>what killed him, and there is no way to know for sure. It was like
>losing him all over again, to realize that I may have caused it.

Not your fault if that's what happened; you had no way of knowing it had
changed. I tried to use this once a few years ago (don't know when the
formula changed) but my cat freaked out as soon as the syringe of it touched
her mouth and I didn't go ahead with it although a small bit got in her mouth.
I was just lucky that she became hysterical just in case it had changed
formula by then. If she had stayed calm I would have given her much more.

>His greatest legacy to me was showing me that my decisions to euthanize
>my cats and dogs when the time is right, is not something that I should
>ever doubt or feel guilty about. I had felt guilty about making the

Now you have peace of mind about euthanization because of Jasper; he left you
with that.

>fair. I understand paying extra, but I think double and triple on
>everything is taking advantage.

Yup, I'm pretty sure the fee was triple because it was Sunday. I do know the
bill was $700.00 and that was after giving us a deal - they took one day's
stay off the bill. Thank goodness for Visa!

Anna

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February 14th 06, 01:40 AM
Anna via CatKB.com wrote:

> Your mom was an angel for stopping; most people would have just driven by him.
> And to take him to vet and pay for his recovery was great of all of you.
>

She's awesome. And she passed along the animal lover gene :) When she
took him to the vet, she wasn't planning to keep him, but he left such
an impression, that she went back to visit him, and talked about him,
and that was all it took. We couldn't let him go to a stranger, so we
paid the bill and brought him home.


> >But last year, I made a horrific discovery. You see, our old first aid
> >book for cats recommends pepto bismal. When his diarhea hit, we used
> >it. But we didn't know that pepto bismal has changed. It now has an
> >ingredient that is dangerous to cats. So, it is possible that this is
> >what killed him, and there is no way to know for sure. It was like
> >losing him all over again, to realize that I may have caused it.
>
> Not your fault if that's what happened; you had no way of knowing it had
> changed. I tried to use this once a few years ago (don't know when the
> formula changed) but my cat freaked out as soon as the syringe of it touched
> her mouth and I didn't go ahead with it although a small bit got in her mouth.
> I was just lucky that she became hysterical just in case it had changed
> formula by then. If she had stayed calm I would have given her much more.


I know it wasn't my fault. But I still feel bad that this could have
been what killed him, and he'd be alive today if I had done an internet
check before doing it. If that was what killed him, his death could
have been prevented. I was actually about to do it again with Jay Jay
less than a week after I got him. I bought the bottle of pepto and did
an internet check to determine the dosage. I found several posts
mentioning the change in ingredients. I was relieved to catch it before
I did, terrified to learn that I came so close to harming Jay Jay, and
horrified to learn that I might have killed Jasper. I spent the night
crying and took Jay Jay to the vet the next day. They gave me something
that was safe and worked.


> Now you have peace of mind about euthanization because of Jasper; he left you
> with that.

Yes, he really helped me with Maynard. I felt so much better about
letting Maynard go. And went as ideally as possible. Just relaxed.

>
> >fair. I understand paying extra, but I think double and triple on
> >everything is taking advantage.
>
> Yup, I'm pretty sure the fee was triple because it was Sunday. I do know the
> bill was $700.00 and that was after giving us a deal - they took one day's
> stay off the bill. Thank goodness for Visa!
>

Ouch!!!

I understand that Sunday is a premium day, but most other businesses do
not charge extra for Sunday. Imagine paying triple for your groceries
or gas on Sundays. I am so lucky to have found an emergency vet that
only charges $25 premium. I wish they all did something like that.

Ryan Robbins
February 15th 06, 08:22 AM
> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I was actually about to do it again with Jay Jay
> less than a week after I got him. I bought the bottle of pepto and did
> an internet check to determine the dosage.

Why didn't you consult the vet?

I don't understand why people are so carefree about this stuff.

February 15th 06, 10:46 AM
Ryan Robbins wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > I was actually about to do it again with Jay Jay
> > less than a week after I got him. I bought the bottle of pepto and did
> > an internet check to determine the dosage.
>
> Why didn't you consult the vet?
>
> I don't understand why people are so carefree about this stuff.

Did you miss the part about the vet book?

It was in a book written by a vet, and it used to be a common practice
with no problem. Do you call the vet every time you give a dose of
hairball remedy? Do you call your own doctor every time you take an
antacid?

This was something that used to be okay. My mom used it many times over
the years. She got out the book, it said how much to give, and we did
it.

How many people would expect the ingredients to change? The stuff has
worked for years. Why would the company change it? And to change in a
way that would make it dangerous to cats?

It was only when I couldn't find the book that I looked online for the
dosage and I learned about the change in ingredients. Jay Jay went to
the vet the next morning.

I was never carefree about anything. Iwas told he had diarhea and asked
to pick up some pepto. I wanted to check the dosage for a larger cat,
and I learned that my previous knowledge was outdated.

If you have been told to use something with your cat, and a couple
years later, the cat has the same simple problem, do you call the vet
again? Or do you do what you know works?

Anna via CatKB.com
February 15th 06, 03:53 PM
>Why didn't you consult the vet?
>I don't understand why people are so carefree about this stuff.

Because the advice to use Pepto is written in MANY MANY cat care books by
veterinarians! I used it too as stated in my previous post thinking it was
okay due to one of those books. We are not "care free" about stuff - we
tried to help our cats feel better because we CARE about them and thought we
were doing the right thing! How in the world would we know the formula had
changed too become dangerous to cats??!! Yes, we made a mistake; the last
thing we need is someone coming along and making us feel worse about it.

Anna

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Ryan Robbins
February 17th 06, 06:42 AM
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>> > I was actually about to do it again with Jay Jay
>> > less than a week after I got him. I bought the bottle of pepto and did
>> > an internet check to determine the dosage.
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>> Why didn't you consult the vet?
>>
>> I don't understand why people are so carefree about this stuff.
>
> Did you miss the part about the vet book?
>
> It was in a book written by a vet, and it used to be a common practice
> with no problem. Do you call the vet every time you give a dose of
> hairball remedy?

Hairball remedy is made for cats. Over-the-counter medicine for people is
not. I don't care if an over-the-counter medicine for people is recommended
in a book; books aren't inherently accurate.

> How many people would expect the ingredients to change? The stuff has
> worked for years. Why would the company change it? And to change in a
> way that would make it dangerous to cats?

Because it wasn't made for cats.

February 17th 06, 07:18 AM
Ryan Robbins wrote:

>
> Hairball remedy is made for cats. Over-the-counter medicine for people is
> not. I don't care if an over-the-counter medicine for people is recommended
> in a book; books aren't inherently accurate.
>

Did you know that most pet medications are based from people
medications? The last time I got antibiotics for Maynard, it was
bubblegum flavored. And that was handed to me at the vet's office.

Also, two different vets, on 3 different occasions told me to buy over
the counter antacids to give with the antibiotics. When Maynard was
having liver failure, I was told to get Milk Thistle and another people
medication. When my mom's collie had severe arthritis, she was told to
buy generic glucosamine since it is much cheaper than buyer the "pet"
version. My first dog was prescribed half a children's chewable aspiren
back before glucosamine became common. And Neosporin (the kind
*without* pain reliever)
was recommended to my sister when treating an abcess. And just last
week, I was told to give Kira Chlortrimeton (over the counter people
medicine) for allergies.

All of these are people medications, available over the counter, and
recommended by a real vet. Why? Because they know it works, and it is
cheaper than buying the same thing listed as a pet medication.

I'm sure that many vets recommonded pepto bismal back when it was good,
and I suspect a few recommended it even after it changed since it would
have taken a while for vets to realize the ingredients had changed.

You may not believe the books (even when they are written by vets), but
real vets recommend people medications all the time. If you have pets
long enough, you will find this out. And then you won't judge people
for using the things they have been told to use, especially people
medications.

Oh, and most people medications were tested on animals, whether you
agree with it or not, so often, they know the results in animals. Also,
because the approval process is easier, many of them become official
medications in animals first.


> > How many people would expect the ingredients to change? The stuff has
> > worked for years. Why would the company change it? And to change in a
> > way that would make it dangerous to cats?
>
> Because it wasn't made for cats.

You didn't answer the questions. You just repeated why you believe it
should never have been used. So, years ago, when it was fine, you would
rather go to the vet and pay 3-4 times the price for the same
ingredients in a bottle labeled for cats. Good for you. Do you go to
the vet to buy rubbing alcohol with a cat on it, or do you just use the
kind from the grocery store?

Honestly, it sounds like you are very judgemental about something that
was used for years by many cat owners, and recommended for years by
vets.

February 17th 06, 07:30 AM
Have you ever been told by a doctor to do something and had it not work
right?

For example, when I was child, I was prescribed allergy medication.
Later, the same doctor diagnosed with me with asthma. But he never told
me that I should not take certain medications, including the one
previously prescribed, currently available over the counter.

I always had problems with it, but as a child, my parents just thought
I hated taking it. I do have problems swallowing pills, so I have
always avoided pills as much as possible. The medication caused my nose
sinuses to close off. So, it was effective at stopping a runny nose,
but I couldn't breath through my nose, and it felt horrible. I
prefeerred the runny nose.

Only as an adult when I complained to a new doctor, was I told that I
should not be taking that medication. It has a side effect in peopel
with asthma, causing the sinuses to swell.

After that, I discovered a few of my other medications were not
recommended for asthmatics either. Including aspiren. I have trouble
with larger pills, so I tend to stick with chewables unless I have a
really bad headache. Sometime over the years, the chewable aspiren
started making my throat burn. I read the packaging, and the product I
had been using for years said not to use in people with lung problems
such as asthma.

Sometimes, doctors tell us something that isn't always true. They give
us the information in good faith, and they are usually right, so we do
not usually need to double check it ourselves. That is why they went to
medical school, and we pay them. Because *they* know what they are
doing.

If a doctor prescribes something, and you have a bad reaction, do you
blame the person who took it? No. In most cases, it was an individual
reaction to that particular medication, which is safe in general for
most people. And sometimes, you blame he doctor. But I don't see why
you would blame the patient for doing what the doctor ordered.

Anna via CatKB.com
February 17th 06, 06:04 PM
>Hairball remedy is made for cats. Over-the-counter medicine for people is
>not. I don't care if an over-the-counter medicine for people is recommended
>in a book; books aren't inherently accurate.

My cat uses an ointment made for humans for nail bed infections as per
consultation with veterinary dermatologists. He also has had his nails
soaked in Betadine which is made for humans. Many, many treatments for
humans are used on pets with no problems. Let's just hope your cat never
needs any of them or you'll refuse to use them because they weren't made
specifically for animals.

Anna

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T
February 18th 06, 03:47 AM
In article . com>,
says...
> Have you ever been told by a doctor to do something and had it not work
> right?
>
> For example, when I was child, I was prescribed allergy medication.
> Later, the same doctor diagnosed with me with asthma. But he never told
> me that I should not take certain medications, including the one
> previously prescribed, currently available over the counter.
>
> I always had problems with it, but as a child, my parents just thought
> I hated taking it. I do have problems swallowing pills, so I have
> always avoided pills as much as possible. The medication caused my nose
> sinuses to close off. So, it was effective at stopping a runny nose,
> but I couldn't breath through my nose, and it felt horrible. I
> prefeerred the runny nose.
>
> Only as an adult when I complained to a new doctor, was I told that I
> should not be taking that medication. It has a side effect in peopel
> with asthma, causing the sinuses to swell.
>
> After that, I discovered a few of my other medications were not
> recommended for asthmatics either. Including aspiren. I have trouble
> with larger pills, so I tend to stick with chewables unless I have a
> really bad headache. Sometime over the years, the chewable aspiren
> started making my throat burn. I read the packaging, and the product I
> had been using for years said not to use in people with lung problems
> such as asthma.
>
> Sometimes, doctors tell us something that isn't always true. They give
> us the information in good faith, and they are usually right, so we do
> not usually need to double check it ourselves. That is why they went to
> medical school, and we pay them. Because *they* know what they are
> doing.
>
> If a doctor prescribes something, and you have a bad reaction, do you
> blame the person who took it? No. In most cases, it was an individual
> reaction to that particular medication, which is safe in general for
> most people. And sometimes, you blame he doctor. But I don't see why
> you would blame the patient for doing what the doctor ordered.

When you stop and think about the sheer volume of information a doctor
has to know I can pretty much guarantee you'll then lose your confidence
in doctors.

However - a good doctor, and they are few and far between, but a good
doctor knows his/her limitations and how to address said limitations. It
might involve research, or it might involved consulting another trusted
physician.

What ever happened to getting second opinions anyhow?

T
February 18th 06, 03:48 AM
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >Hairball remedy is made for cats. Over-the-counter medicine for people is
> >not. I don't care if an over-the-counter medicine for people is recommended
> >in a book; books aren't inherently accurate.
>
> My cat uses an ointment made for humans for nail bed infections as per
> consultation with veterinary dermatologists. He also has had his nails
> soaked in Betadine which is made for humans. Many, many treatments for
> humans are used on pets with no problems. Let's just hope your cat never
> needs any of them or you'll refuse to use them because they weren't made
> specifically for animals.

Probably because we're all mammalian and share similar organ structures
and functions.