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rumble
May 23rd 06, 03:08 AM
does anyone know of any funding resources or organizations that help
low income people
get medical treatment for their pets?

i'm aware of aaha and the pet fund.org, but i wouldn't qualify for aaha
(because the specialist hospital i have my cat in isn't on their
"approved" list") and i'm not sure the pet fund would be able to help
me in time.

thanks

cybercat
May 23rd 06, 03:11 AM
"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> does anyone know of any funding resources or organizations that help
> low income people
> get medical treatment for their pets?
>
> i'm aware of aaha and the pet fund.org, but i wouldn't qualify for aaha
> (because the specialist hospital i have my cat in isn't on their
> "approved" list") and i'm not sure the pet fund would be able to help
> me in time.

What is going on with your cat?



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rumble
May 23rd 06, 04:02 AM
long story... (aren't the all?)

1 month ago i took her in for her shots and because her ear allergies
were bothering her again so i wanted the vet to look at them.

they gave me otomax which i applied in very small doese (which seemed
to work most of the time).

after i stopped a week later i noticed her head tremoring for a minute
or so when she was in bed with me, then it calmed down. i went to work
the next day and when i got home at 6pm i saw it happning again, so i
called the vet at 6:10 and asked them what time they closed.

they said 6pm, so i asked if i could bring her in. they said they
stopped intakes at 6, and i said i only lived 10 mins from there, but
they still wouldn't do it, soi called the next vet that i knew would be
open (40 miles away) and asked if i could bring her in. they said if i
could get there by 7:15 they could see her. so i drove about 80-90 mph
to get there in time, and i had my regular vet fax her records down
there.

according to the 2nd vet she had lost over 1/4 pound in a week (from
the other vet's fax) and said just looking at her (she had stopped
eating her dry food a month or so ago) and hadn't had a bm in a few
days now. she suspected (without doing any tests) that it could be
hyperthyroidism because of her weight loss, a heart murmur she heard,
and she was shaking a little (she always shook at the vet's - she's a
nervous cat..) and also said possible kidney failure.

i was devastated to hear all that. she was always skinny, and i just
thought she was being finicky about her food.

i asked her how long she might live if i got her treatment right away
and she told me 6 months.

i was crushed. she asked me if i wanted her to do blood tests and i
said no, that i would schedule them with my vet the next day (which i
did). she also upped the dosage on the otomax to 3-4 drops 2x day in
each ear (of which i only did 2 drops instead of my usual 1 drop in
each ear which i continued for 2 days then stopped because of side
effect warnings and other warnings from people on this list.-- i.e. why
they increased the dosage in a cat that may have vestibular problems
because of the shaking and possible kidney problems??)

made an appt. for 2pm. got there, and they wouldn't admit me because
the LOST/COULDN"T FIND HER RECORDS that they faxed to vet #2 the night
before.
(i told them why don;t you call them up and have them faxed back??!!)

waited 30 mins while they got that together and finally got into a room
and did the blood and urine tests and waited another 30 mins. she came
back smiling and said everything was in the normal range, but there was
something in the urine they wanted to check in a week.

they waived the office charges because of the fauxpas but charged me
$132 for the tests.

i showed the tests to phil (here online) and he had noticed that they
wrote that the sample was "extremely hemolyzed" (due do poor sample
handling?) and so this means that the tests coudn't be considered
accurate. he also told me to ask them why her white blood cell count
was so low (low/normal range...)

at this point i decided to get a second opinion and more tests done
(since i couldn't put any faith in these.)

so i got her home again and she seemed to perk up for a couple of days.
(i managed to get her an appointment with an internist for
monday/today..)

but i had noticed that now she hadn't had a bm in 4 days and was not
eating as much. so i tried to make another appointment the next day
and they said couldn't give me one till next week.
i kept an eye on her and noticed she tried to go but couldn't and
jumped out of her box and layed on the floor and moaned a little bit
(not seemingly in pain, more like that she was bugged..)

i called my regular vet again the next day and told them that she
hadn't had a bm in 5 days now, and they gave me an appointment for
1:45pm.

i got there at 20 mins of, got in the room AND WAITED 45 MINS before
someone showed up.
a tech stuck their head in the door and asked if the dr. had come
though here. i said no, then 5 mins later she came back in and said
they "didn't know which room i was in/couldn't find me/looked for me in
the parking lot, etc."

wow... how feeble an excuse can people make??

the vet came in, i explained i wasn;t happy with the blood tests, she
got indignant, i said i was really concerned about her not having a bm,
she took an xray and felt her bowels and said that it didn't feel hard
and to just double up on the laxatone (that i had been giving her for a
few days) and water down her wet food. she said that she had faith in
the tests and that i shouldn't worry, but thought that she might have
the very beginnings of kidney disease and left the room.

i asked the vet tech if they could waive the office charge for the exam
and all they would do is knock $10 off for the urine sample.

got the cat home again (did i mention i'm ready to kill someone yet??)
and took her in today to the internist.

the first thing she did (and what was more striking to her than the
rest of the stuff going on) was that she said the cat didn't seem to
know where her feet were (she demonstrated this to me..)
and suggested a neruological workup along with a battery of tests that
she wanted to do just to get a clear picture of what was going on.
(this is what i wanted..)

she gave me an estimate between $1600 - $1900 just for their tests
(including bowel evacuation/enema treatment, etc.) just to try to get
to the bottom of this problem.

needles to say i was shattered. i had just spent about $400 on the cat
(the bulk of my mortgage money for may...)

i was already sobbing after she left the room after she told me about
hre not kknowing where her feet were, knowing that neurological stuff
was expensive and i had no idea that the cat was perhaps this bad off.
it just spelled doom for her..


so $1600 - $1900 just for tests, not including a visit/recommendation
to neurologist, not including any "treatment" or procedures... and all
without knowing any prognosis.

is it worth doing all this testing only to uncover some hideous
incurable disease or problem that can't be treated or even with
treatment is only going to yeild a few more months of life.

the thing is . i don't know anything yet.
can't even venture there, but i'm doing what i can.
i still need to know.

just the office exam was $150 for this place, and they are keeping her
overnight to try to evacuate her bowels. (first time we've been apart
for 16 years..)

i can't stand it.

i'm on food stamps, fuel assistance, elec. assistance, etc. and i've
got my own medical problems i'm dealing with (persistant ocular
migranes that they can't figure out, etc.) and of course, i have no
medical insurance.

i've done everything for this cat. even quite a job and stayed home
with her when she got run over 11 years ago and nursed her back to
health and even saved her leg that they all told me was going to have
to be removed.

i'm so attached to her it isn't funny.




(did i stop talking yet??)

i don't know what else to say, except i'm exhausted and have a headache
from sobbing all day.



thanks for asking though...


rb

rumble
May 23rd 06, 05:20 AM
i feel like i've been given an ultimatum.

since i can't afford the fancy testing to get to the bottom of this
my choices seem to be:

-taking her home and watching her get sicker and waste away until she
dies
-and/or make a decision to put her down when it gets to be too
painful/difficult for her.

obviously letting go is difficult. i've always said that i didn't care
if she was "just a head in a box..." i'd do anything to keep her going.


they wanted to keep her overnight.
they called later and said they got some of it out, and they are going
to keep working on it.

wanted me to think over what they told me about the tests and try to
think about what i could do
what i wanted to do, etc.

of course i want to get to the bottom and get a REAL diagnosis, but
will that only uncover a negative prognosis, or X # of months/(weeks?)
to live with expensive treatment, or what?
i don't know.

i'm tapped at this point.

no. i don't like the vets i've seen for various reasons, but i'm in a
rural area and have to take whatever i can do for her in the heat of
the moment picking the lesser of the 2 evils type of thing.

i trust these (new) guys, even though they may be a little over the top
with the testing suggestions and prices.

wish i could find some middle ground somewhere but i can't start going
from vet to vet to vet at this point to find one that can give me some
good answers so i can make some good decisions.

i'm in new hampshire.

BulletProof
May 23rd 06, 05:33 AM
rumble wrote:

> i'm in new hampshire.

New Hampshire Spaying & Altering Service
8 Hutchins Street
Concord, NH 03301
603-224-1361 before 2 pm

New Hampshire Dept of Agriculture
APC Program
State House Annex
33 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
603-271-3697

Maybe these people could give you some solid leads and probably some
sound advice.

All my best

cybercat
May 23rd 06, 05:37 AM
"rumble" > wrote
>
> the first thing she did (and what was more striking to her than the
> rest of the stuff going on) was that she said the cat didn't seem to
> know where her feet were (she demonstrated this to me..)
> and suggested a neruological workup along with a battery of tests that
> she wanted to do just to get a clear picture of what was going on.
> (this is what i wanted..)
>
> she gave me an estimate between $1600 - $1900 just for their tests
> (including bowel evacuation/enema treatment, etc.) just to try to get
> to the bottom of this problem.
>
> needles to say i was shattered. i had just spent about $400 on the cat
> (the bulk of my mortgage money for may...)
>
[..]
>
> i don't know what else to say, except i'm exhausted and have a headache
> from sobbing all day.
>

I am so sorry you have had to go through this.

Where are you?

It seems to me that you might benefit from taking a day and
trying to get yourself grounded and really think clearly.

None of your vets sound like anyone I would go back to.

Can you opt for just having the enema done, for starters?



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cybercat
May 23rd 06, 06:47 AM
"rumble" > wrote:>
> wanted me to think over what they told me about the tests and try to
> think about what i could do
> what i wanted to do, etc.
>

I would have them to the enema and take her home and do some
more research. She is in no immediate danger, that you know of, is
she?
> of course i want to get to the bottom and get a REAL diagnosis, but
> will that only uncover a negative prognosis, or X # of months/(weeks?)
> to live with expensive treatment, or what?
> i don't know.
>
> i'm tapped at this point.
>
> no. i don't like the vets i've seen for various reasons, but i'm in a
> rural area and have to take whatever i can do for her in the heat of
> the moment picking the lesser of the 2 evils type of thing.
>
> i trust these (new) guys, even though they may be a little over the top
> with the testing suggestions and prices.
>
> wish i could find some middle ground somewhere but i can't start going
> from vet to vet to vet at this point to find one that can give me some
> good answers so i can make some good decisions.
>
> i'm in new hampshire.
>



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Buddy
May 23rd 06, 12:58 PM
Why don't you first rule out hyperthyroidism and kidney failure/disease
and go from there? These tests should be that expensive and you can
treat these problems more easily. Also give your cat something to keep
it from getting constipated - Temptations hairball treats work well.

BulletProof
May 23rd 06, 01:07 PM
rumble wrote:

> wish i could find some middle ground somewhere but i can't start going
> from vet to vet to vet at this point to find one that can give me some
> good answers so i can make some good decisions.
>
> i'm in new hampshire.


can't you just go buy an enema and give her a squirt?

Im real sorry bout your cat, but you can't afford testing and testing
is not going to add anything to your cats life, it may uncover
something, but we already know the problem, she is getting old. I know
that sounds mean, but it's just true.

I would just keep her at home, keep her bones warm...

Let nature have it's course.

and YOU driving 90 mph, you know if you had hit someone and killed
them, you'd get involuntary manslaughter... you'd goto a federal prison
for a while. Not to mention the sorrow you would live with for the rest
of your life. you coulda lost everything you've been working for.

and neither would I spend mortgage money on my pet.
I bet you have worked your tail off to have a home.

I dare you to give your house to the vet specialist!
has nothing to do with wether or not a cat is worth the cost
of course they are, but that's not expendable income you have.

If you don't have a house than niether does your pet.

take her outside where it's warm, or set her over in the bath tub and
give her a cat size enema... what about 8 ounces? plus your already
giving her x-lax right?

and I would be careful about the laxitives, they dehyrdate

At this point I would be looking for a specific natural food that will
shoot through her
like a shoney's breakfast bar food... whew

but if she's impacted, it's not really going to shoot through her, I
bet the meds have compounded her natural problem.

what about some castor oil
something that will really grease her pipes
==================================
then twist up a joint and shotgun her a big hit...
==================================

:p~

when she wakes up, she will eat the refridgerator door off then as a
result she will spray crap all over the wall around the litter box,
she's going to need a bath afterwards wash that nasty ass

I would also donate the dry food to the birds

rumble
May 23rd 06, 04:06 PM
hi buddy..

it's hard to know which way to go.

my plan is to get more stringent /better blood work done.

however, it "may" be that this possible neurological problem is causing
the constipation, making her bowels not work (i don't know/can't say,
but that was offered as a possible cause).

she might have a brain tumor causing her not to know where her feet are
and affecting other parts of her nervous system, etc.

so where do i start?
blood work or neuro workup (which could probably be prohibitively
expensive.)
would the blood work reveal anything cancerous? .... i don't know...

where do i put the little money i have where it will do the most
good/give me the most answers?

i guess if they can rule out hyperthyroidism and kidney failure, then
that would be 2 things i wouldn't have to worry about.

thanks

rumble
May 23rd 06, 04:24 PM
i hear everything you're saying.

i had been giving her laxatone for almost a week with no results.

they kept her over night and have managed to get some of it out.

they said not to worry abut the charges on this part of it, so i'm
getting the impression they are waiving those charges.

i'm supposed to pick her up today (first time i've been without her in
16 years...)

yes, that still possibly leaves a bigger problem maybe to deal with, if
it's some kind of neurological problem causing things to shut down in
her body.

i still need some answers. i can't just take her home and watch her
die/suffer, etc.
i need to do whatever i can and take it from there.

cybercat
May 23rd 06, 06:48 PM
"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> i hear everything you're saying.
>
> i had been giving her laxatone for almost a week with no results.
>
> they kept her over night and have managed to get some of it out.
>
> they said not to worry abut the charges on this part of it, so i'm
> getting the impression they are waiving those charges.
>
> i'm supposed to pick her up today (first time i've been without her in
> 16 years...)
>
> yes, that still possibly leaves a bigger problem maybe to deal with, if
> it's some kind of neurological problem causing things to shut down in
> her body.
>
> i still need some answers. i can't just take her home and watch her
> die/suffer, etc.
> i need to do whatever i can and take it from there.
>

Rumble, I think what some of us are saying is that you can--and should--
take it one step at a time. That will make it easier on you emotionally,
mentally and financially. It isn't a matter of "find $1600 or let her die,"
I really don't think it is.

It seems the big problem right now, e.g. the only life-threatening
problem may be the constipation/impaction. The vets ought to be
able to tell you if that is resolved now or not.

If she has a brain tumor or some sort of neurological problem
that results in her having lost the ability to have a bowel movement,
I wonder if there is even anything they can do about that, and at
her age, if you would even want to put her through that. But
for now, perhaps you could just bring her home, continue your
research, and talk to others who may have had cats with these
symptoms. I know New Hampshire is pretty sparsely populated,
but is there by chance a vet school there? If so, you might get
information there about programs that might allow you to get
discounted tests or other help for your cat.

We have a great one here:

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/

Here is the page for potential clients:

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/contents/toc.php?vth

And here is a contact page for the various specialties:

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/vth/vthspecialtyservices.htm

This is a teaching hospital, and people come from all over
to bring their animals there. I am not suggesting you come to
North Carolina, but I thought maybe you could call or email
them and they might be able to help you with information.

Last but not least, and this is hard to say: be aware that part
of our job in loving these creatures is to use our resources to
spare them suffering. It is never easy to let go of someone you
love, regardless of species. Before you okay any tests, I would
ask questions like, "what are the possible diagnoses that these
tests will help you make, and what is the prognosis for each?"
We once listened to a doctor and had an expensive and invasive
surgery done for a loved one only to find out there was no way
she would live more than 9 months in the best scenario, and that
9 months would be filled with indignity and pain. Nobody thought
to ask about what the future might hold for her. It was after the
operation that I thought to ask, "what is the prognosis," and then,
after being told the surgery was "a success" we were all told that
regardless, the tumor would grow back and she would die. So,
she was going to die anyway. By putting her through that surgery,
all we did was give her a great opportunity to suffer for nine more
months and lose all her dignity and then die anyway. Mercifully,
she died from complications of that surgery, peacefully and
painlessly, after we all had a chance to see her and let her know
how much we loved her.

The doctors did not do anything wrong--we just did not ask
enough questions. I learned from that.



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rumble
May 23rd 06, 07:29 PM
yep. i know/have thought about all this stuff.

there's a school in boston, but that's kind of far for me too, and like
you said
i don't want to put her through anything that's not going to
significantly extend her life
or not ease any suffering.

i'm supposed to pick her up today. they got some of it out last night
and
were going to try to see if anything else came out this morning.

i want to get some "good" blood work done on her to have a baseline to
work from.

if it suggests something like cancer or a tumor there's not much i can
do.

i did find a neurologist in maine about an hour and a half from here,
and they do have some kind of fund or discount/sliding scale thing for
people like me. the initial exam is $119. i'd be willing to do that,
but they said an mri would be $1600-$1900 too. can't do that...

i need to know "something" besides "she's sick"..

that's the only way i can come up with a plan.

i don't want to take her home and watch her get worse and worse then
let her die without knowing
if there was some alternate viable way to stave this off so that she is
reasonably comfortable.

so i guess my plan is get her home, see how stable she is, maybe give
her a break from running around to all the vets for a few days (she
gets terrified seeing vets), get some better bloodwork done, try to get
a prognosis/diagnosis from that, then if not, try to talk to the
neurologist to see if his office exam suggests a prognosis without
getting into expensive testing.

i want some kind of idea to know how quickly debillitated she will or
could get.

just these past 2 weeks i've noticed a change for the worse, but i try
to think optimistically -
maybe she was losing weight/interest in eating because of the
constipation/not absorbing enough nutrients from eating so little and
that made her lose weight and get a little weak... maybe the fecal
matter was pushing on a nerve that impeded her foot movement and
nerves, etc.

i don't know.... but maybe, Maybe, MAYBE...

i certainly don't want to try to second guess anything with blind faith
and hope (or let her suffer needlessly..)

like you said - one day at a time..



thanks

rumble
May 24th 06, 04:18 AM
UPDATE (in case anyone is interested):

picked her up at 5pm from the vet

they think they got most of the fecal matter out of her
she didn't eat anything while she was there.

they also accidentally TORE HER ARM OPEN pulling out the saline
catheter
and had to shave it and suture it. (do i/we really NEED all this sh*t?)

they also gave me some amoxicillan to give her for a week.

they said they really can't give me a prognosis and that the
neurological problem seemed to be the predominant/most urgent to get
looked at because of the "deficit" in her feet and said i should get it
looked at asap.

i called the neurologist's office. they want $119 for an exam,
$1500-$1900 for an mri
(more than it costs for people mri's?) but they have a fund as well as
a sliding scale fee.
(qualification dependent on first exam.)

so i want to at least get some better blood tests done to see if that
can indicate
cancer, etc., then go for the neuro first exam and see what he thinks.

that will probably be about as much as i can do.

at least that should give me somewhat of an idea.


she wasn't interested in eating when i got home but drank some tuna
fish juice
and peed a little bit. has been resting ever since.

BulletProof
May 24th 06, 09:34 PM
rumble wrote:
> UPDATE (in case anyone is interested):


why don't you just come out and ask for the money
this bunch can't take a hint

how much do you need?

exactly how many crack rocks would you like to purchase?

ain't nobody on the welfare making a 400.00 house payment

you're full of ****!

you don't even own a ****ing cat!

you ****ed up in your tale, but Im not going to tell you where you
messed up!

AAAAAAAAAAAHAAA!

BUSTED

no money for you

(and I got a **** load of it)

cybercat
May 24th 06, 09:44 PM
"BulletProof" > wrote:
>
> no money for you
>
> (and I got a **** load of it)
>

oo daddy

purr

purr

purr



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Matthew aka NMR
May 24th 06, 09:51 PM
Rumble this is a funny turn of a events that is my cat's name long story
already posted in the other cat and here many of times

my cat is epileptic and yes that is about the cost of a mri
it cost almost 10,000 to make a full evaluation of my furball problem and to
make a course of action it resulted because of rumble being allergic to
Phenobarbital. So I feel you on the cost of saving an animal to me it is
worth every penny I have ever made and worth every penny even if I go into
the poor house

"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> UPDATE (in case anyone is interested):
>
> picked her up at 5pm from the vet
>
> they think they got most of the fecal matter out of her
> she didn't eat anything while she was there.
>
> they also accidentally TORE HER ARM OPEN pulling out the saline
> catheter
> and had to shave it and suture it. (do i/we really NEED all this sh*t?)
>
> they also gave me some amoxicillan to give her for a week.
>
> they said they really can't give me a prognosis and that the
> neurological problem seemed to be the predominant/most urgent to get
> looked at because of the "deficit" in her feet and said i should get it
> looked at asap.
>
> i called the neurologist's office. they want $119 for an exam,
> $1500-$1900 for an mri
> (more than it costs for people mri's?) but they have a fund as well as
> a sliding scale fee.
> (qualification dependent on first exam.)
>
> so i want to at least get some better blood tests done to see if that
> can indicate
> cancer, etc., then go for the neuro first exam and see what he thinks.
>
> that will probably be about as much as i can do.
>
> at least that should give me somewhat of an idea.
>
>
> she wasn't interested in eating when i got home but drank some tuna
> fish juice
> and peed a little bit. has been resting ever since.
>

cybercat
May 24th 06, 10:21 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "BulletProof" > wrote:
> >
> > no money for you
> >
> > (and I got a **** load of it)
> >
>
> oo daddy
>
> purr
>
> purr
>
> purr
>
>

is that a full money clip in your pocket or are
you just

glad

to

seeeeeeee

me?



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BulletProof
May 24th 06, 10:26 PM
cybercat wrote:

> is that a full money clip in your pocket or are
> you just
>
> glad
>
> to
>
> seeeeeeee
>
> me?

my american express plotnum is in my back pocket

Matthew aka NMR
May 24th 06, 10:59 PM
"BulletProof" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Matthew aka NMR wrote:
>> So I feel you on the cost of saving an animal to me it is
>> worth every penny I have ever made and worth every penny even if I go
>> into
>> the poor house
>
> my cat needs a titty reduction Matt waaaa waaaaa, just hit my paypal, I
> appreciate it.
>
> OH! it's only $1,500.00 per nipple
> and $150.00 more, If I opt for them to give her pain medicine, Ill let
> you decide that part.
>
> Doctor says she's got to have it done. you know I couldn't afford to
> get her spayed and now she dun went and got knocked up again... doctor
> says no more babies sucking on them titties.
>
> Thanks Matt!
>
> What a guy, Matt, a cats best friend.
>
Sure it for not you I could also get you a prince john too

BulletProof
May 24th 06, 11:06 PM
Matthew aka NMR wrote:

> Sure it for not you I could also get you a prince john too

If you're going to send me $1,500 x 8 teats... (how many do they have?)
that's $12,000.00 plus $150.00 for pain medsin if you so choose

and if it helps you dream at night, then sure, it can be for me

<backflip>

THE CAT MATT! :o


poor little pussy, her breasts are engorged :(
maybe I should try to milk her?

cybercat
May 25th 06, 01:58 AM
"BulletProof" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
> > is that a full money clip in your pocket or are
> > you just
> >
> > glad
> >
> > to
> >
> > seeeeeeee
> >
> > me?
>
> my american express plotnum is in my back pocket
>

I'm not done with your front pocket yet. :



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Matthew aka NMR
May 25th 06, 03:18 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "BulletProof" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>> > is that a full money clip in your pocket or are
>> > you just
>> >
>> > glad
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> > seeeeeeee
>> >
>> > me?
>>
>> my american express plotnum is in my back pocket
>>
>
> I'm not done with your front pocket yet. :
>
Damn Barry I would start charging her for playing in your pockets

cybercat
May 25th 06, 04:28 AM
"Matthew aka NMR" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "BulletProof" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >>
> >> cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >> > is that a full money clip in your pocket or are
> >> > you just
> >> >
> >> > glad
> >> >
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> > seeeeeeee
> >> >
> >> > me?
> >>
> >> my american express plotnum is in my back pocket
> >>
> >
> > I'm not done with your front pocket yet. :
> >
> Damn Barry I would start charging her for playing in your pockets
>

You have such a dirty mind!



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BulletProof
May 25th 06, 01:59 PM
cybercat wrote:

> You have such a dirty mind!

LOL

yes! he does have a dirty mind


-
anyway, thank you for getting my car keys out
my hands were covered in grease from fixing the motor

so, you wanna blow some money hey

let's start with Paris and work our way down to that little boot shaped
country

we can lay on our backs and look at the sistine chapel ceiling
we can visit the pope
we can go sweeeeming at castiglion della pescaia beach, where I will
fatten you up with all kinds of good food and rest. I wants to fatten
you up. get them little cheeks nice and rosie... get you laughing all
the time

after a couple weeks of getting plumped up, I want to tour the amazon
river
(Im not saying we have to, but just think about it, that's all Im
saying)

cybercat
May 26th 06, 01:55 AM
"BulletProof" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> let's start with Paris and work our way down to that little boot shaped
> country

Yeth! yethyeth!

>
> we can lay on our backs and look at the sistine chapel ceiling
> we can visit the pope
> we can go sweeeeming at castiglion della pescaia beach

Ha! That's Castle of Fishes! (Unless I am losing my Italian too.)

, where I will
> fatten you up with all kinds of good food and rest. I wants to fatten
> you up. get them little cheeks nice and rosie... get you laughing all
> the time

*sigh* That would be soooo nice.

>
> after a couple weeks of getting plumped up, I want to tour the amazon
> river
> (Im not saying we have to, but just think about it, that's all Im
> saying)
>

ohhh nooooo. We don't do sun and skeeters and alligators!



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Candace
May 26th 06, 04:00 AM
BulletProof wrote:
> rumble wrote:
> > UPDATE (in case anyone is interested):
>
>
> why don't you just come out and ask for the money
> this bunch can't take a hint
>
> how much do you need?
>
> exactly how many crack rocks would you like to purchase?
>
> ain't nobody on the welfare making a 400.00 house payment
>
> you're full of ****!
>
> you don't even own a ****ing cat!
>
> you ****ed up in your tale, but Im not going to tell you where you
> messed up!

Well, I don't feel like going back and seeing where you might think
he/she ****ed up on his/her story but it was ringing true to me. They
didn't say their mortgage payment was $400, they said that $400 was a
majority of it.

Anyway, it sounded right to me and I was hoping to hear more about what
happened to the cat but we probably won't now. I didn't think they
were asking for $$ either; just for help finding a better deal, like
they said.

Sometimes when people are really upset, they might make an error in how
they state something, which could be construed as messing their story
up. I think it was true and I feel bad for the cat and the OP.

Candace

Charlie Wilkes
May 26th 06, 07:24 AM
On 25 May 2006 20:00:37 -0700, "Candace" > wrote:

>BulletProof wrote:
>> rumble wrote:
>> > UPDATE (in case anyone is interested):
>>
>>
>> why don't you just come out and ask for the money
>> this bunch can't take a hint
>>
>> how much do you need?
>>
>> exactly how many crack rocks would you like to purchase?
>>
>> ain't nobody on the welfare making a 400.00 house payment
>>
>> you're full of ****!
>>
>> you don't even own a ****ing cat!
>>
>> you ****ed up in your tale, but Im not going to tell you where you
>> messed up!
>
>Well, I don't feel like going back and seeing where you might think
>he/she ****ed up on his/her story but it was ringing true to me. They
>didn't say their mortgage payment was $400, they said that $400 was a
>majority of it.
>
>Anyway, it sounded right to me and I was hoping to hear more about what
>happened to the cat but we probably won't now. I didn't think they
>were asking for $$ either; just for help finding a better deal, like
>they said.
>
>Sometimes when people are really upset, they might make an error in how
>they state something, which could be construed as messing their story
>up. I think it was true and I feel bad for the cat and the OP.
>
>Candace

Hmmm. I've been following this, and I can't tell. The story holds
together internally, but only as far as it goes, which isn't far
enough to draw firm conclusions. I don't think it's fair to call the
OP a liar based on what has been posted here. I do think it's fair to
surmise that she is prone to toward dire conclusions and eager to
blame the cold, cruel world. I wouldn't want to get involved in her
saga and risk being viewed as a responsible party. I've been there
and done that.

Charlie

BulletProof
May 26th 06, 09:08 AM
Candace wrote:
>
> Anyway, it sounded right to me and I was hoping to hear more about what
> happened to the cat but we probably won't now. I didn't think they
> were asking for $$ either; just for help finding a better deal, like
> they said.

well of course you may be right, but several things led me to my
conclusion

<peeling the cellophane off of my cheese and crackers snack, spreading
most of the cheese on the first cracker, licking the red plastic stick>

Rumble had the cat for 15 years but acts surprised as in (do i/we
really need this ****)

next, I just can't see someone who has had a cat for 15 years and would
be willing to risk life and limb as in driving 90 mph (to get to a vet
before they close when she had other options) still giving the backed
up senior cat more dry food? besides, welfare people don't have cars
that can go 90 mph. just a simple schematic.

a lie designed to give caring people a sense of urgency

oh God! oh God! help me help me!
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hhhhh
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

and I could see the drama mounting, as in... near ripped the cats leg
off with a needle?
nah! she copped that story horror story from somewhere else on the net.

<unraveling the plastic ring from the lid on my lil brown jug of
chocolate milk>

and Rumbles contribution (other than smoking crack) was driving 90 mph?
am I supposed to be impressed with that sort of endangerment? if she
gave a rip about the invisible cat... the cat is invisible, because she
gives no background on her cat, she gives no name, no colors, no real
clues that she loves the cat... she's forcing an old cat to eat dry
hard cat food.. that's real care! then comes the little heart warmer
mamma drank a little tuna juice... LOL... oh pwease!

<slamming the whole 2 pints of chocolate milk, licking my lips>

she acted totally oblivious to what was going on... after 15 years? I
say or really!?

<cutting my eyes at you, slowly pulling a long fresh Marlboro out of
half smoked pack...tapping the butt of the cigarette on my zippo...>

AND she sent me an email instead of replying on the group here, she
sent me an email in re: to my first reply to her. just seemed odd, not
like Rumbles and me have any history that she felt comfortable enough
to send me an email. this spoke of experience although it would appear
she has no experience WITH ANYTHING

<you hear the zippo top flip open, the textured wisk of the flint wheel
under the thumb, you see the cigarette tip turn cherry red... and at
last the fool takes a hard sobering draw, almost like medicine, (it
makes you want to learn to smoke) a big smoke ring floats in between
us>

mhmmm, I"ve seen this sort of behavior before it is... typical.

is not like I was the only wandering if the story was legitimate, I
hope I'm wrong

Trish
May 27th 06, 12:29 AM
"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> does anyone know of any funding resources or organizations that help
> low income people
> get medical treatment for their pets?
>
> i'm aware of aaha and the pet fund.org, but i wouldn't qualify for
aaha
> (because the specialist hospital i have my cat in isn't on their
> "approved" list") and i'm not sure the pet fund would be able to help
> me in time.
>
> thanks
>

Did either vet say if she was dehydrated? There must be a vet in your
area that will allow a payment plan and charge less for the services.
Also, did you discuss with either vet about getting the tests done over
time, such as two weeks apart or whichever time period you can
financially handle (I'm sure they wouldn't offer the option upfront but
some do have it).

I'm very sorry to hear about your cat, but one thing I have learned, the
vets who have in the past pushed tests, etc. as if I would be a bad
owner or negligent for not doing them were the worst vets I ever visited
and a second trip was never needed. I was able to tell them quite well
exactly what I thought of them on the first visit.

I wish you and your cat the best of luck. I'm wondering about not
knowing where her feet is, could she be experiencing renal failure (I
saw you had mentioned it) and is this a sign of lethargy and
dehydration. When my cat begins to get dehydrated (he has renal
failure) three things happen, 1. he tends to stumble and cannot walk
correctly exactly as if he forgot how to walk, 2. he becomes blocked in
his bowels, 3. poor balance and his head droops. I'm thankful he has
not experienced this in a long time. however, its something for you to
ask about.

Did the vet do the proper blood workup, meaning a senior blood test
rather than a regular blood workup?

purrs for your cat and hugs for you, keep posting and asking and
discussing, there are many years of experience here.

Please take good care of yourself and your kittie.

cybercat
May 27th 06, 05:00 PM
"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> mon - evacuated bowels. they think they got most of it out.
>
> tues. eating a little more (slightly watered down wet food & drinking
> tunafish juice)
> but still exhausted/tramatized by the ordeal at the vets.
> low energy, but it seems to pick up at night a little.
>
> no apprent distress.
>
> wed. eating a little more (no bm since mon.)
> played with her a bit. she liked it. purring.
>
> thurs. very tiny bm. didn't strain or cry.
> still eating, doesn't seem to be drinking much water.
> (still peeing at least once a day)
>
> fri. still eating. still seems a little down. no distress.
>
> sat. slept all day. didn't eat much (never seems to during the day.)
> peed, but still no bm. no apparent distress.
>
> has an appt. wed. w/neurologist (soonest they could take me)
> hopefully they can do more stringent blood testing, however i might
> take her to the
> vet monday if she still hasn't had a bm.
>
> currenty walking around, rubbing her head on my legs at times.
> when i talk to her she'll rub her chin on a cardboard box as she walks
> by.
>
> no distress, no vomiting, straining, crying, etc. but no ball of
> energy/still not herself.
> seems a little lethargic, but i don't know how much or if i can
> attribute that to the trauma of going to all the vets and the enemas,
> etc.
>
> a couple of friends sent me some money to help with the testing and
> exam on wed.
>
> maybe that will buy me an indication of what's going on with her.
> at least that's what i'm hoping.
>
> if not, then i'll have to see if i can get to the next level somehow
> (whatever that may be..)
>
> i certaily have no intention of putting her down without having some
> idea of what's going on.
> and.. i don't want to see her suffer either.
>
> but if it's a treatment that i can manage with medication or something
> and it's not going to put her through hell, then that would be great.
>
>
> thanks for asking.
>

It sounds like she is doing better. She had a bm on her own. Have you seen
any sign of neurological problems?



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rumble
May 28th 06, 01:00 AM
dear everybody..

i'm posting my reply to the group here because:
- i might have accidentally selected "reply to author (bulletproof)
when i sent it

or

- the moderators might have censored it because of the "strong
language".

so for anyone that cares, here it is again..

thanks to all those that were genuinely concerned and offered useful
suggestions.

ray b.

---------------------------------------
dear F*CKING bulletproof

i don't know who you are, but i don't see how you can extrapolate parts
of my story and turn them into lies and malign someone (me) the way
you've done without getting the facts straight.

i stopped responding to this when you and the other idiot turned this
into your own personal chatroom, joking it up and totally getting away
from the thread about this subject.

if i were a moderator i would have kicked both of you out.

this is like that game where someone tells a story to one person, and
that person tells it to another, and by the time it gets to the last
person the whole story has changed.


right from your very first "cavlier" post you proved yourself to be a
jerk, and you don't even sound like someone that should own a cat (or
any other animal.)

suggesting i "blow pot in my cat's face", "buy her an enama and give
her a squirt", "keep her warm and let nature take it's course (/die)",
misreading that i was giving my cat "exlax" then warning me that i
"shouldn't give her too many laxative because they dehydrate" - (i was
giving her LAXATONE, big difference...)

apparently you can't read something without misintepreting it.

re: my "invisible cat" - she's a 16 yr/2mo old domestic short hair tort
that i got from the spca.
(do you want to see her papers?)

according to you she "doesn't exist" because i "gave no backround on
the cat"?

re: 90 mph - - ON THE HIGHWAY at times. YES. i wanted to get my cat
some help
(and yes, my car CAN go that fast safely) and they were the next
closest vet i could get to that was still open. my next choice was the
emergency vet 40 miles away. THAT was my only other option. what other
options did i have, pray tell, oh wise and wonderous cat healer? blow
some pot in her face? (who's the crack head here?)

re: welfare: no, i'm not on welfare. being low income (foodstamps and
fuel assistance)
doesn't mean someone is on welfare.

i spent the bulk of my may's mortgage money in the past 4 weeks trying
to get some help for my
(as you say "invisible") cat.

re:dry food. - no, i wasn't feeding her dry food. only wet food (and
putting water in that to keep her hydrated.)

re: "you could see the drama mounting as in "near ripped the cats leg
off with a needle?
nah! she copped that story horror story from somewhere else on the
net."

hey sherlock.. you wan to to see a picture? you ****ing moron.

(oh, btw - i'm a GUY..) how & where did you deduce that i was a woman?
yeah. your REAL ****ing bright aren't you?


re: "a lie designed to give caring people a sense of urgency"

and, YOU are the "caring people", with all your off the cuff idiotic
home made recipies and hippie drug cures and sensitivity (let nature
take it's course and let the cat suffer and die?)

re: acting oblivious after 15 years."..

listen up magnum pi - i quit a job once and stayed home with the cat
when she got run over 11 years ago, after 3 vets i went to told me that
they were going to have to cut her leg off.

i stayed home and did a LOT of physical therapy with her and managed to
save the leg.
how ****ing DARE you say i'm not aware/tuned into the needs of my cat.


re:
> AND she sent me an email instead of replying on the group here, she
> sent me an email in re: to my first reply to her. just seemed odd, not
> like Rumbles and me have any history that she felt comfortable enough
> to send me an email. this spoke of experience although it would appear
> she has no experience WITH ANYTHING

i sent you a "personal" reply. so what? i've sent others a personal
reply too.
is there something wrong with that?
is that some kind of "alert" for you?

i made the mistake of thinking you were sincere.

and (if i follow your "logic" here) because i sent you a "personal
preply" you think that "speaks of experience"?

what an odd conclusion. meaningless.

then you SLANDER me saying i have "no experience with anything"?
i'm 53 years old. i have experience with a lot of things, and i can
certainly spot an idiot when i see one.

what's all this extraneous, meaningless diarrhea about?:

> <peeling the cellophane off of my cheese and crackers snack, spreading
> most of the cheese on the first cracker, licking the red plastic stick>

and

> <unraveling the plastic ring from the lid on my lil brown jug of chocolate milk>

and

> <cutting my eyes at you, slowly pulling a long fresh Marlboro out of
> half smoked pack...tapping the butt of the cigarette on my zippo...>

hmmm, yeah... that's real interesting and funny stuff.
you trying to show everyone how "cool" you are?
do you you fancy yourself some kind of writer or something? (because
you're not..)

you're just trying to impress people here about something.
what, i don't know, because all you've done is misquote me, and twist
everything i've said into your own personal "conclusions" which are all
wrong.

how embarassing for you.


and... re:
> is not like I was the only wandering if the story was legitimate, I hope I'm wrong


this is really bad sentence construction d00d (not to mention
misspelling "wondering".)
hey. that's ok. i've got a cure for that:

go eat a bunch of brillo pads, cigarette butts and exlax, and wash it
down with some of that chocolate milk of yours (and DON'T call me in
the morning.)

as a matter of fact, DON'T EVEN BOTHER RESPONDING TO THIS.

i swear to god, if i ever met you in person i'd twist your ****ing head
off and put it on a pike in front of my house.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
for anyone else that's interested, here's an update.

i got her home from the vet monday night.
she's pretty traumatized and exhausted from the ordeal so far.
(she doesn't do vets very well. lots of anxiety...)

been mostly sleeping, and eating a bit more (wet food only.)

i made an appointment with a vet neurologist for wednesday morning
(dr. alan pothoff in maine at the animal neurological clinic in case
anyoe wants to check up on me...)

they have some kind of fund for "low income people" as well as a
sliding scale fee, which i'm sure i can qualify for.

so far all it's going to be (all i think i can afford) is an office
exam and further (more accurate) blood tests. no way i can afford the
$1500 - $1900 quote i got for an mri.

i'm hoping that the good dr. can draw some kind of diagnosis without
having to do an mri which i can't possibly afford.

she had a tiny bowel movement lst night (hardly anything), didn't
strain, but hasn't still produced a good movement yet. i was told she
may not because they think they cleaned her out pretty good and had
fasted for a day or so because of the last exam (and wouldn't eat
during her overnight stay at the vet's.)

i also have to go back next week to have the sutures removed
(bullet"head" take note...)

that's about all i can say for now, except i'm still searching for and
have contacted a few organizations about financial help for pets. a lot
of them don't give money for diagnostic exams, they want a diagnosis
first and the animal has to have a better than 6 month prognisis (etc.)
before they would consider giving any money out.

oh yeah. her name is Kippie.


ray b







BulletProof wrote:
> Candace wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, it sounded right to me and I was hoping to hear more about what
> > happened to the cat but we probably won't now. I didn't think they
> > were asking for $$ either; just for help finding a better deal, like
> > they said.
>
> well of course you may be right, but several things led me to my
> conclusion
>
> <peeling the cellophane off of my cheese and crackers snack, spreading
> most of the cheese on the first cracker, licking the red plastic stick>
>
> Rumble had the cat for 15 years but acts surprised as in (do i/we
> really need this ****)
>
> next, I just can't see someone who has had a cat for 15 years and would
> be willing to risk life and limb as in driving 90 mph (to get to a vet
> before they close when she had other options) still giving the backed
> up senior cat more dry food? besides, welfare people don't have cars
> that can go 90 mph. just a simple schematic.
>
> a lie designed to give caring people a sense of urgency
>
> oh God! oh God! help me help me!
> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hhhhh
> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
>
> and I could see the drama mounting, as in... near ripped the cats leg
> off with a needle?
> nah! she copped that story horror story from somewhere else on the net.
>
> <unraveling the plastic ring from the lid on my lil brown jug of
> chocolate milk>
>
> and Rumbles contribution (other than smoking crack) was driving 90 mph?
> am I supposed to be impressed with that sort of endangerment? if she
> gave a rip about the invisible cat... the cat is invisible, because she
> gives no background on her cat, she gives no name, no colors, no real
> clues that she loves the cat... she's forcing an old cat to eat dry
> hard cat food.. that's real care! then comes the little heart warmer
> mamma drank a little tuna juice... LOL... oh pwease!
>
> <slamming the whole 2 pints of chocolate milk, licking my lips>
>
> she acted totally oblivious to what was going on... after 15 years? I
> say or really!?
>
> <cutting my eyes at you, slowly pulling a long fresh Marlboro out of
> half smoked pack...tapping the butt of the cigarette on my zippo...>
>
> AND she sent me an email instead of replying on the group here, she
> sent me an email in re: to my first reply to her. just seemed odd, not
> like Rumbles and me have any history that she felt comfortable enough
> to send me an email. this spoke of experience although it would appear
> she has no experience WITH ANYTHING
>
> <you hear the zippo top flip open, the textured wisk of the flint wheel
> under the thumb, you see the cigarette tip turn cherry red... and at
> last the fool takes a hard sobering draw, almost like medicine, (it
> makes you want to learn to smoke) a big smoke ring floats in between
> us>
>
> mhmmm, I"ve seen this sort of behavior before it is... typical.
>
> is not like I was the only wandering if the story was legitimate, I
> hope I'm wrong

cybercat
May 28th 06, 01:09 AM
"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> dear everybody..
>
>
> thanks to all those that were genuinely concerned and offered useful
> suggestions.
>
> ray b.
>

Okay, great. Now how about your cat? How is your CAT?



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rumble
May 28th 06, 03:34 AM
mon - evacuated bowels. they think they got most of it out.

tues. eating a little more (slightly watered down wet food & drinking
tunafish juice)
but still exhausted/tramatized by the ordeal at the vets.
low energy, but it seems to pick up at night a little.

no apprent distress.

wed. eating a little more (no bm since mon.)
played with her a bit. she liked it. purring.

thurs. very tiny bm. didn't strain or cry.
still eating, doesn't seem to be drinking much water.
(still peeing at least once a day)

fri. still eating. still seems a little down. no distress.

sat. slept all day. didn't eat much (never seems to during the day.)
peed, but still no bm. no apparent distress.

has an appt. wed. w/neurologist (soonest they could take me)
hopefully they can do more stringent blood testing, however i might
take her to the
vet monday if she still hasn't had a bm.

currenty walking around, rubbing her head on my legs at times.
when i talk to her she'll rub her chin on a cardboard box as she walks
by.

no distress, no vomiting, straining, crying, etc. but no ball of
energy/still not herself.
seems a little lethargic, but i don't know how much or if i can
attribute that to the trauma of going to all the vets and the enemas,
etc.

a couple of friends sent me some money to help with the testing and
exam on wed.

maybe that will buy me an indication of what's going on with her.
at least that's what i'm hoping.

if not, then i'll have to see if i can get to the next level somehow
(whatever that may be..)

i certaily have no intention of putting her down without having some
idea of what's going on.
and.. i don't want to see her suffer either.

but if it's a treatment that i can manage with medication or something
and it's not going to put her through hell, then that would be great.


thanks for asking.

cybercat
May 28th 06, 04:48 AM
"rumble" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> mon - evacuated bowels. they think they got most of it out.
>
> tues. eating a little more (slightly watered down wet food & drinking
> tunafish juice)
> but still exhausted/tramatized by the ordeal at the vets.
> low energy, but it seems to pick up at night a little.
>
> no apprent distress.
>
> wed. eating a little more (no bm since mon.)
> played with her a bit. she liked it. purring.
>
> thurs. very tiny bm. didn't strain or cry.
> still eating, doesn't seem to be drinking much water.
> (still peeing at least once a day)
>
> fri. still eating. still seems a little down. no distress.
>
> sat. slept all day. didn't eat much (never seems to during the day.)
> peed, but still no bm. no apparent distress.
>
> has an appt. wed. w/neurologist (soonest they could take me)
> hopefully they can do more stringent blood testing, however i might
> take her to the
> vet monday if she still hasn't had a bm.
>
> currenty walking around, rubbing her head on my legs at times.
> when i talk to her she'll rub her chin on a cardboard box as she walks
> by.
>
> no distress, no vomiting, straining, crying, etc. but no ball of
> energy/still not herself.
> seems a little lethargic, but i don't know how much or if i can
> attribute that to the trauma of going to all the vets and the enemas,
> etc.
>
> a couple of friends sent me some money to help with the testing and
> exam on wed.
>
> maybe that will buy me an indication of what's going on with her.
> at least that's what i'm hoping.
>
> if not, then i'll have to see if i can get to the next level somehow
> (whatever that may be..)
>
> i certaily have no intention of putting her down without having some
> idea of what's going on.
> and.. i don't want to see her suffer either.
>
> but if it's a treatment that i can manage with medication or something
> and it's not going to put her through hell, then that would be great.
>
>
> thanks for asking.
>

You mention no sign at all of neurological problems. If she is
walking around, she certainly knows where her feet are, etc.
It just sounds like she was constipated and impacted. She has
had a bowel movement on her own, she walks around, eats,
purrs, I just don't see why anyone would think she is seriously
ill. ??



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BulletProof
May 28th 06, 05:22 AM
rumble SUCKED the crack pipe and wrote:
> dear everybody..
> i stopped responding to this when you and the other idiot turned this
> into your own personal chatroom, joking it up and totally getting away
> from the thread about this subject.

who Cybercat an idiot?
and you thought to put my head on a pike?

You think lunacy fosters charity?

Joe Canuck
May 28th 06, 05:32 AM
BulletProof wrote:
> rumble SUCKED the crack pipe and wrote:
>> dear everybody..
>> i stopped responding to this when you and the other idiot turned this
>> into your own personal chatroom, joking it up and totally getting away
>> from the thread about this subject.
>
> who Cybercat an idiot?
> and you thought to put my head on a pike?
>
> You think lunacy fosters charity?
>

Yes, it does... so here is a charitable tip: Get lost.

BulletProof
May 28th 06, 05:54 AM
Joe Canuck wrote:

> Yes, it does... so here is a charitable tip: Get lost.

sometimes it's not what you can prove Joe, it's what you know.


SUCKER!

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii heeeeeeeeeeelp meeeeeeeeee

heeeeeeeeeeelp meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

squeezin down the road at 90 mph, cat's ass drawed up tight in the
curves
rreeeeoooowww

I told you already, welfare recipients don't have cars that go 90 mph

she wishes that ol un-insured pay-go car would go the speed limit
ol bitch of a car smokin and bawlin down the road...


JOE she embellished the lie


NEXT!!

You can't hustle me!
is why I will be your president one day, I'm just waiting for my hair
to turn white

ill be up there saying

I'm in charge! I'm the man!

do yourself a favor and vote for bigbad
do me a favor and pay as you leave please

Charlie Wilkes
May 28th 06, 08:29 AM
On 27 May 2006 17:00:56 -0700, "rumble" > wrote:
>
>i swear to god, if i ever met you in person i'd twist your ****ing head
>off and put it on a pike in front of my house.

HORK! If nothing else, this statement demonstrates that you have
found your peer group on Usenet.

>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>for anyone else that's interested, here's an update.
>
>i got her home from the vet monday night.
>she's pretty traumatized and exhausted from the ordeal so far.
>(she doesn't do vets very well. lots of anxiety...)
>
>been mostly sleeping, and eating a bit more (wet food only.)
>
>i made an appointment with a vet neurologist for wednesday morning
>(dr. alan pothoff in maine at the animal neurological clinic in case
>anyoe wants to check up on me...)
>
>they have some kind of fund for "low income people" as well as a
>sliding scale fee, which i'm sure i can qualify for.
>
>so far all it's going to be (all i think i can afford) is an office
>exam and further (more accurate) blood tests. no way i can afford the
>$1500 - $1900 quote i got for an mri.
>
>i'm hoping that the good dr. can draw some kind of diagnosis without
>having to do an mri which i can't possibly afford.
>
>she had a tiny bowel movement lst night (hardly anything), didn't
>strain, but hasn't still produced a good movement yet. i was told she
>may not because they think they cleaned her out pretty good and had
>fasted for a day or so because of the last exam (and wouldn't eat
>during her overnight stay at the vet's.)

Good.

>
>i also have to go back next week to have the sutures removed
>(bullet"head" take note...)
>
>that's about all i can say for now, except i'm still searching for and
>have contacted a few organizations about financial help for pets. a lot
>of them don't give money for diagnostic exams, they want a diagnosis
>first and the animal has to have a better than 6 month prognisis (etc.)
>before they would consider giving any money out.
>
>oh yeah. her name is Kippie.

I think your cat is getting pretty old, Ray. Even if you popped for a
neurological workup, there might not be a whole lot they can do.

It's a tough deal, though. You have my sympathy and best wishes.

Charlie

Trish
May 29th 06, 01:29 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> You mention no sign at all of neurological problems. If she is
> walking around, she certainly knows where her feet are, etc.
> It just sounds like she was constipated and impacted. She has
> had a bowel movement on her own, she walks around, eats,
> purrs, I just don't see why anyone would think she is seriously
> ill. ??
>
>
>

I agree with you, I believe it was the bowel blockage that caused the
cat "to not know where her feet was". Hey, I have an image in my head
now of a human not having a bowel movement for 5 or 6 days and just how
they'd be walking. Not a very comfy image.

Buddy
May 29th 06, 11:02 AM
I also agree. Most likely just a blockage. I never did understand the
"not knowing where her feet were". How can she walk if she doesn't
know that? I think I would leave well enough alone at this point and
try to get her regulated - wet food and hairball treats.

cybercat
May 29th 06, 05:33 PM
"Buddy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I also agree. Most likely just a blockage. I never did understand the
> "not knowing where her feet were". How can she walk if she doesn't
> know that? I think I would leave well enough alone at this point and
> try to get her regulated - wet food and hairball treats.
>

Rumble has said that there is a slight tremor in her head at times,
perhaps that caused his concern. However, I think he over-reacted
somewhat, as did the vet who suggested that $1,600 in tests were
needed before they even got the cat unblocked. After she is regular
for a while, he can see how it goes.



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rumble
May 29th 06, 08:33 PM
just to keep the facts in line and story straight and follow my logic:


the cat was unblocked last monday.

appetite seemed to be increasing/getting better (mostly at night) since
then.

had a tiny bm thurs nite (not even worth mentioning.) didn't strain or
cry...

had a good bm yesterday.
tried several times at first (no distress) then finally happened.
(had another very tiny one after that..)

she has started to drink water again (not excessively) and drinks
tunafish juice (which i'm reluctant to give her because of the
saltiness and phospher content but want to give her at least some
nourishment till more tests/exams can be done.)

but, now doesn't seem to be very interested in food no matter what i
put down.
only licking the moisture off it or taking a few bites.
(could it be stomach upset because of the amoxicillan they gave me?) -
don't know...

she's also been a little lethargic, but it's been hot and humid here
for a couple of days now.
(another reason for low appetite? - - i don't know...)

i'm still seeing little head tremors, body and head ticks, slight
ataxia.
this warrants/suggests a trip to the neurologist to me.

i don't want to second guess things i don't know about or read into her
symptoms, hoping that blind faith and hope will get her through this,
etc.

the clinic i took her to is the best in the area, expensive yes, but
i'm hoping that i/they can do
minimal testing (sans an mri, ultrasounds, etc.) that would at least
point to a diagnosis/prognosis
so i can at least know what to do, be it a reasonable/manageable
treatment, knowing how much time she might have or knowing when to let
go, knowing what to look out for, etc.
i don't want to see her suffer if i can help it. that's why i'm doing
all of this.

i've been to 3 different vets and have conflicting opinions, however
the 3rd vet said that the most remarkable thing about her (above and
beyond the constipation and weight loss) was the neuro problem she saw.

i can't trust the first blood test because the sample was hemolyzed
(even though it showed things in the "normal" range, but had a couple
of suspicious levels in the "low-normal" range.)

there was an indication of the very slight beginnings of kidney
problems that may be in the very early stages. (what i was told by the
previous vet...)

from what i understand and read about cat's bodies they can be very
sick and not show many signs for a long time until it's too late to do
anything about it.