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Toni
July 12th 06, 05:23 PM
Loomis is a nine month old neutered male mix, no medical history besides a
very bad URI when he came to us from the shelter four months ago. He eats
canned Felidae/ California Natural/ Wellness/ Merrick, and is usually a vey
active cat. He lives with two other male cats of identical age, no medical
issues, and they normally play very wildly.

Loomis hasn't quite been himself lately- he's quit jumping on the kithen
countter, quit playing with the others, quit being crazy Loomis. He still
eats, drinks, poops and pees, but he's walking very gingerly, like a leg
hurts.
Rather than worry I took him to the feline vet this morning for a check up.

He found nothing really wrong. Loomis seemed tender about his rear legs, and
his temperature was elevated (when I went to go take him in the van BROKE
DOWN in the driveway and I had to call the husband to take us. His truck has
no A/C so it was a hot stressful 30 minute ride), so the elevayed
temperature was probably stress related (?). Loomis wiggled and panted all
the way there, and it was hot and very humid South Florida style.

So the diagnosis was either he had banged himself, or fallen, or damaged
himself playing which is very likely, or he has an infection somewhere. He
gave me Baytril in case it is an infection.

But on the ride home we were talking and I remembered- I had a babysitting
dog here all last week and I had her gated in our bedroom. I saw Loomis jump
over the gate once and his rear claws tended to get stuck in the gate as he
was going over. I remember thinking to myself "boy if he gets a rear foot
stuck on the way over he could really wrench his leg". When I mentioned this
to the husband he said he saw him jump over it once, crash on the way over,
and just fall the rest of the way and land badly- this would have been last
week Thursday or Friday. Her visit is exaxctly when he stopped jumping and
climbing around- very co-incidental!

So I'm fairly sure that's what happened. Why we couldn't have remembered
that before speaking with the vet is beyond me, but I'm pretty sure that's
what happened.

So do I give him the antibiotics or not? I hate to do it unnecessarily, but
if he needs them he needs them.
Vet said if there is a dramatic improvement then it is probably an infection
somewhere and if it is a sports/banging injury then he won't improve as
rapidly.
He saw no real reason to do bloodwork or xrays yet, as there are no concrete
symptoms- just a bit of tenderness in his rear legs, but all cats hate their
rear legs manipulated... yes? No? That, some "laying low", and a Mommy's
sense that he isn't feeling well. Temp 103F after a very hot stressful
trip.

So I'm thinking give him the pills for a couple of days and see if anything
changes??
He is not scheduled for a recheck until this coming Friday, so I should give
them until then?

I just hate unnecessary antibiotic use, but I guess it is the lesser of two
evils? If there really is an infection somewhere we need to get on it.

What would you do?


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cybercat
July 12th 06, 06:04 PM
"Toni" > wrote in message
.. .
> Loomis is a nine month old neutered male mix, no medical history besides a
> very bad URI when he came to us from the shelter four months ago. He eats
> canned Felidae/ California Natural/ Wellness/ Merrick, and is usually a
vey
> active cat. He lives with two other male cats of identical age, no medical
> issues, and they normally play very wildly.
>
> Loomis hasn't quite been himself lately- he's quit jumping on the kithen
> countter, quit playing with the others, quit being crazy Loomis. He still
> eats, drinks, poops and pees, but he's walking very gingerly, like a leg
> hurts.
> Rather than worry I took him to the feline vet this morning for a check
up.
>
> He found nothing really wrong. Loomis seemed tender about his rear legs,
and
> his temperature was elevated (when I went to go take him in the van BROKE
> DOWN in the driveway and I had to call the husband to take us. His truck
has
> no A/C so it was a hot stressful 30 minute ride), so the elevayed
> temperature was probably stress related (?). Loomis wiggled and panted all
> the way there, and it was hot and very humid South Florida style.
>
> So the diagnosis was either he had banged himself, or fallen, or damaged
> himself playing which is very likely, or he has an infection somewhere. He
> gave me Baytril in case it is an infection.
>
> But on the ride home we were talking and I remembered- I had a babysitting
> dog here all last week and I had her gated in our bedroom. I saw Loomis
jump
> over the gate once and his rear claws tended to get stuck in the gate as
he
> was going over. I remember thinking to myself "boy if he gets a rear foot
> stuck on the way over he could really wrench his leg". When I mentioned
this
> to the husband he said he saw him jump over it once, crash on the way
over,
> and just fall the rest of the way and land badly- this would have been
last
> week Thursday or Friday. Her visit is exaxctly when he stopped jumping and
> climbing around- very co-incidental!
>
> So I'm fairly sure that's what happened. Why we couldn't have remembered
> that before speaking with the vet is beyond me, but I'm pretty sure that's
> what happened.
>
> So do I give him the antibiotics or not? I hate to do it unnecessarily,
but
> if he needs them he needs them.
> Vet said if there is a dramatic improvement then it is probably an
infection
> somewhere and if it is a sports/banging injury then he won't improve as
> rapidly.
> He saw no real reason to do bloodwork or xrays yet, as there are no
concrete
> symptoms- just a bit of tenderness in his rear legs, but all cats hate
their
> rear legs manipulated... yes? No? That, some "laying low", and a Mommy's
> sense that he isn't feeling well. Temp 103F after a very hot stressful
> trip.
>
> So I'm thinking give him the pills for a couple of days and see if
anything
> changes??
> He is not scheduled for a recheck until this coming Friday, so I should
give
> them until then?
>
> I just hate unnecessary antibiotic use, but I guess it is the lesser of
two
> evils? If there really is an infection somewhere we need to get on it.
>
> What would you do?
>

My little tabby hurt herself getting used to her new window seat,
and suddenly was walking gingerly on her right rear leg. I freaked
out because everyone knows that cats are stoic about pain, so
showing means they must really hurt.

Took her to the vet, where of course she did not show the symptoms,
then to the emergency care when she limped again that night. Neither
found any sign of structural injury (a break or tear) so they said it
was probably a soft-tissue injury like a sprain. (If you have ever had
one, you know they hurt like hell and take MONTHS to heal.) The
good news is, she was good as new in a week or so. I would not give
the pills unless things seem to worsen. (I made them give me kitty
pain killers more because I could not stand her being in pain than
for her--but I never used them) Let us know how it works out.

Toni
July 12th 06, 07:48 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> Took her to the vet, where of course she did not show the symptoms,
> then to the emergency care when she limped again that night. Neither
> found any sign of structural injury (a break or tear) so they said it
> was probably a soft-tissue injury like a sprain. (If you have ever had
> one, you know they hurt like hell and take MONTHS to heal.) The
> good news is, she was good as new in a week or so. I would not give
> the pills unless things seem to worsen. (I made them give me kitty
> pain killers more because I could not stand her being in pain than
> for her--but I never used them) Let us know how it works out.
>
>

I called him and explained about the remembered incident and asked if I
should still medicate. He said yes- he's not going to be in the office
tomorrow and said to be better safe than sorry. He's a good vet, the best
feline specialist around, but antibiotics just make me nervous, and
sometimes I think they prescribe us "something" so we'll be more able to
"wait and see", you know?

He had his first dose and has been just sleeping ever since, although he did
go get a drink once.

This is just the sort of thing that humbles me so much about owning animals-
if it were anyone elses cat I would be able to tell them what I think they
should do. But when it's one of my own I just lose all objectivity and turn
into a nervous nelly mommy who only knows that her kitty is feeling crummy.
Blah.

I have pain meds around, but the pain is the only thing keeping him from
straining it further, no? If he felt too good I'd be a tad afraid he would
go off on a running/ climbing expedition. I'll watch him- as long as he gets
everywhere he needs to get (litter box, water, food) I think I'll leave it,.
I made him a low sided box so he doesn't have to climb and I'm available to
put him on/off the bed/ sofa/ cat tree as he wants. He will definitely be
spoiled.

Thanks for the reply.


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Toni
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Ann
July 12th 06, 10:01 PM
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:48:31 -0400, Toni wrote: <...>
> I called him and explained about the remembered incident and asked if I
> should still medicate. He said yes- he's not going to be in the office
> tomorrow and said to be better safe than sorry. He's a good vet, the
> best feline specialist around, but antibiotics just make me nervous, and
> sometimes I think they prescribe us "something" so we'll be more able to
> "wait and see", you know?

Agree, I don't like giving antibiotics unless there is a good reason to.
And I assume it's like with humans, once you start, you should give the
full course.

Have you checked his temperature since he has been home and settled down?

Buddy
July 12th 06, 10:13 PM
I wouldn't give him any pain meds - you are correct, he might injure it
more. Maybe you could keep him in a small room with his litter, bed
and food. That way he won't need to do stairs or jump, etc. He's
young. Maybe a couple days of rest will do it.

Ann wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:48:31 -0400, Toni wrote: <...>
> > I called him and explained about the remembered incident and asked if I
> > should still medicate. He said yes- he's not going to be in the office
> > tomorrow and said to be better safe than sorry. He's a good vet, the
> > best feline specialist around, but antibiotics just make me nervous, and
> > sometimes I think they prescribe us "something" so we'll be more able to
> > "wait and see", you know?
>
> Agree, I don't like giving antibiotics unless there is a good reason to.
> And I assume it's like with humans, once you start, you should give the
> full course.
>
> Have you checked his temperature since he has been home and settled down?

Toni
July 13th 06, 12:25 PM
"Ann" > wrote in message
...
>
> Agree, I don't like giving antibiotics unless there is a good reason to.
> And I assume it's like with humans, once you start, you should give the
> full course.
>
> Have you checked his temperature since he has been home and settled down?
>


It's been normal all along- but I am using an "ear temperture" thermometer
that I understand isn't reliable. I can't manage the rectal one by myself as
he is very protective of his bum. He does not feel warm, and I can pretty
well judge by touch alone at this point. I know that doesn't really fly, but
I trust myself.

He actually is much better this morning. I'm still lifting him up and down,
and micromanaging his every move, but I have seen him eat, drink, use the
litter box, scratch on a tree twice, and he is moving around the house now.
Fingers crossed!


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Toni
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Toni
July 13th 06, 12:29 PM
"Buddy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I wouldn't give him any pain meds - you are correct, he might injure it
> more. Maybe you could keep him in a small room with his litter, bed
> and food. That way he won't need to do stairs or jump, etc. He's
> young. Maybe a couple days of rest will do it.
>


No stairs- only three cat trees and he's the top shelf sitter. So I lift him
up and lift him down. I'm lucky that I am available 24/7 this week to serve
his needs.
No, no pain meds. I know that pain is nature's way of limiting movement of
things that shouldn't be moved.

He's behaving much more normally this morning- I'd say at least a 50%
improvement. I'll keep him quiet and limited again today, though.

Thanks!


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Toni
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Bttngl
July 13th 06, 01:36 PM
Hi Toni, I've read your plight with your cat. It's a tough road when
you have to care 24/7 fpr one that is totally dependant for
everything. Sometimes after any accident the body system is weakened
and prone to infection, so maybe that might be one reason the dr wants
you to follow through with such. You hear so much now-a-days about
anti-biotics that you wonder what is right or wrong. Are you able to do
light physical therapy type exercises on your cat to help rebuild him?
Just curious. Is he/she on any type of anti-inflammatory med? It works.
Muscle relaxer? Skelatal relaxer? Hope all works out well, God bless
you...bttngl.

j
Toni wrote:
> "Ann" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Agree, I don't like giving antibiotics unless there is a good reason to.
> > And I assume it's like with humans, once you start, you should give the
> > full course.
> >
> > Have you checked his temperature since he has been home and settled down?
> >
>
>
> It's been normal all along- but I am using an "ear temperture" thermometer
> that I understand isn't reliable. I can't manage the rectal one by myself as
> he is very protective of his bum. He does not feel warm, and I can pretty
> well judge by touch alone at this point. I know that doesn't really fly, but
> I trust myself.
>
> He actually is much better this morning. I'm still lifting him up and down,
> and micromanaging his every move, but I have seen him eat, drink, use the
> litter box, scratch on a tree twice, and he is moving around the house now.
> Fingers crossed!
>
>
> --
> Toni
> http://www.cearbhaill.com/rules.htm

Toni
July 13th 06, 02:19 PM
"Bttngl" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi Toni, I've read your plight with your cat. It's a tough road when
> you have to care 24/7 fpr one that is totally dependant for
> everything.


He's not really a "critcal care" situation- sorry if I gave that impression.
I am lifting him around so he *won't* jump, not because he *can't* jump.


> Sometimes after any accident the body system is weakened
> and prone to infection, so maybe that might be one reason the dr wants
> you to follow through with such. You hear so much now-a-days about
> anti-biotics that you wonder what is right or wrong.


Never thought that a bad sprain could instigate an infection somewhere else?
At any rate he is much improved today so the antibiotics will continue
throught the entire course.


> Are you able to do
> light physical therapy type exercises on your cat to help rebuild him?
> Just curious. Is he/she on any type of anti-inflammatory med? It works.
> Muscle relaxer? Skelatal relaxer?


His veterinarian discussed these things with us, and strongly suggested that
we not use any of them. His pain/discomfort is the only thing (beside me)
that is preventing him from reinjuring the sprain. If it is a sprain.
And I really don't think he's been "down" long enough to require physical
therapy- he 's a nine *month* old cat. I'll wager he'll bounce right back.

Thanks for thinking of him...


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Toni
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Ann
July 14th 06, 12:24 PM
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:25:36 -0400, Toni wrote:
> "Ann"

>> Agree, I don't like giving antibiotics unless there is a good reason
>> to. And I assume it's like with humans, once you start, you should give
>> the full course.
>>
>> Have you checked his temperature since he has been home and settled
>> down?
>
> It's been normal all along- but I am using an "ear temperture"
> thermometer that I understand isn't reliable. I can't manage the rectal
> one by myself as he is very protective of his bum.

Yes, some of them do get quite offended. And the same cat that is
intimidated enough at the vet's not to make a fuss may make a fight of it
at home. <g>

> He does not feel
> warm, and I can pretty well judge by touch alone at this point. I know
> that doesn't really fly, but I trust myself.
>
> He actually is much better this morning. I'm still lifting him up and
> down, and micromanaging his every move, but I have seen him eat, drink,
> use the litter box, scratch on a tree twice, and he is moving around the
> house now. Fingers crossed!