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LC
October 15th 06, 02:57 AM
Was there Really a Holocaust?


The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy which any
nation has ever been able to use to gain support for wars, expansion and
foreign-aid: This has made Israel the world's sixth strongest military
power. The gravest threat to all this wealth and influence is the growing
doubt over the question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
actually took place.



Numbers of Victims Don't Add Up

The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish
population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the
American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February
22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to
15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in
Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? (See Note 1).

Following the rise of Hitler there were no more than 4 million Jews at
most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power.
Yet on June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some
3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money.
The International Red Cross had already reported in 1946 that of registered
Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died, and their audit to
December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees
in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.

It is interesting to note that in the Jews' real "bible", The Talmud, it
is claimed that 800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrian's
era. Yet there is no historical evidence to support this claim either. The
Jewish-owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article by the well known
Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly stated that Soviet Russia had
supplied the figure of 4 million Jews having been put to death "in the gas
chambers of Auschwitz." Thus it was the Judaeo-Communists and the Jews who
initially originated these figures which today are accepted as "gospel
truth". It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died in the
huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered exaggerated, still Time
Magazine reports that of this figure 20,000 died of typhus during the single
month of March, 1945! If nearly half died of this plague in just one month
at the end of the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
"extermination camp". (See Note 2).

Himmler - "Reduce Deaths at all Costs"

Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on
December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be
reduced at all costs" (Reitlinger, "The Final Solution"). The camps had been
hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that spread by fleas and body lice.
Stomach pain, high fever, emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of
the camps were factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's order on
January 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates"
(Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523).

On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic Administration Office
of the camps issued a letter stating that persons with tuberculosis were
being sent to the camps resulting in the "shockingly high mortality figures"
(Nuremberg Documents). Later, on September 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show
that the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in
June 1943.

The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for
mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch
was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a
policy of "extermination?"

After the War, with suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim, a
committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with communist
leaders in Warsaw. There they established the "Committee for the
Investigation of War Crimes and War Criminals". It was after this meeting
that the announcement was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.

The Problems of Mass Gassing

In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all
concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace. Some 15 years
later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed
only in camps located in Soviet held Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los
Angeles Holocaust Center states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April
1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The
pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross, English Intelligence
and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and Oster (who collaborated with the
British) either did not know or did not believe in rumors of gassings.

This brings up the following questions:


1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for
the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas
chamber or gassed victims.
2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war
criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being
involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever
come forward who saw a single person gassed - AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE
BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!
3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who
died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.
4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp
inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was
always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red
Cross document No. 9925, June 1946).
Forced Confessions of Gassings

Rudolf Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. When
captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to mass gassings using
Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about as reliable as any forced by
Stalin from victims tortured before taking the stand to confess during the
Moscow show trials of 1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess
signed it. Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign - he
died in his cell. Hoess' statement read, "half an hour after having released
the gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines. They
began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and smoking."

Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no gassing?
Zyklon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state Zyklon-B adheres to
surface clothing and skin. They say that only after a 24 hour period,
wearing a gas mask with the strongest filter, could any bodies be removed
without killing such workers.

If we believe the Hoess confession that the workers ran into the gas
chamber "eating and smoking" - without gas masks - only minutes after the
gassing - ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!

Gas Stories not Possible

The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial of Adolph
Eichmann" states on pages 375 and 385 that Zyclon-B crystals were introduced
from the ceilings of the gas chambers and "became immediately gaseous." The
American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of no chemical process
whereby HCN (Zyklon-B) may be made to become instantly gaseous upon exposure
to air." (See Note 3).

Claims of William Shirer

Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake shower
outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The truth is that
Zyklon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to the ceiling so that
anyone throwing themselves to the floor would be saved. Shirer also quotes
the Soviet written confession signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We
knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone
were actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly thus
there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that Zyklon-B was used to
delouse inmates' clothing of lice and fleas which carry typhus.

The Problem of the Crematoriums

At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At the hospital
in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In the Lubin camp there were
only 6. THAT'S ALL! In these three camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed
to have been exterminated and their bodies cremated. Furthermore, these
cremation ovens were very small with only 18' doors and required from 4 to 6
hours to burn each body using a large amount of coal. Cremation was used in
the camps for those who passed away in order to prevent epidemics. No large
supplies of coal were ever stored at the camps for cremations. A VERY
INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of William L. Shirer's
book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke
Company, which built the crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote
that millions of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add the following
footnote on page 972 of the German edition: "The Didler-Werke have raised
objection to the name of their firm appearing in the chapter concerning the
extermination camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a
statement of August 1961 established that the measurements are those which
are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design intended for
small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass burning." WHY IS THIS
DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???

On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would leave 15,000
tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created over the short 2 1/2
year period the holocaust supposedly took place would have been very
difficult to dispose of. No one has ever come forward to report seeing such
huge piles of tons of ashes. It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened
the Auschwitz camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to another camp
for gassings and then later went into oblivion!" (See Zimunism).

What Experts say about the Holocaust

Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40 books, many of
which are standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal, 1967. "It has
been demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those
camps." Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author wrote: "I was at
Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there." Paul Rassiner, historian and
anti-Nazi activist, who served a prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora
camps stated in 1962. "The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic
lie - the most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time." Prof. Robert
Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at the University of Lyon.
France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The holocaust lie, which is largely of
Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible,
whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."

Why the Holocaust Campaign

Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the press, on TV-News
or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is the long range design for
this constant attempt to fill Germans and indeed all Christians with a
feeling of guilt over a holocaust which never occurred?

Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not until after
the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There was a time when
anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in national campaigns. The
holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-Semitism among upper-level statesmen and
publicists."

S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The holocaust
instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty and spreads the
demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the destruction of the natural
racial elite among a people. This transfers effective political control to
the lowest elements who will cowtow to the Jews."

Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of the holocaust
on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling of collective
indebtedness to the Jews."

Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible because
anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is condemned as being
"anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust victims. The Jews hold an
unnatural violent hatred for the German people. Jews seek to turn all other
peoples of the world against the Germans and keep that nation divided for
all time to come. That is why no peace treaty has been signed as yet with
Germany and why they still live under Allied military occupation laws.

A Question of Fund-raising

The Wall Street Journal quotes a Jewish professional fund-raising
consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main theme of Jewish
fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for 38 years. When they don't use
the holocaust the money collection sharply drops off. Thus the more the
Press, TV and Hollywood promotes the holocaust the more money the United
Jewish Appeal and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people (Note
4).

Holocaust Silences Opposition

Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust stories over
and over again they can instill a guilt complex within all Gentiles. This
effectively silences most critics of Zionist political goals.

Bad judgment on the part of the ADL? Or merely one more instance of the
ADL's showing its true colors. You be the judge (The Ugly Truth About the
ADL, E.I.R., p. 103-119).



http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/

VelvetVellocet
October 15th 06, 03:11 AM
Why do you care, or feel guilty?
It happened like 70 years ago.

Let's not repeat it!


LC wrote:
> Was there Really a Holocaust?
>
>
> The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy which any
> nation has ever been able to use to gain support for wars, expansion and
> foreign-aid: This has made Israel the world's sixth strongest military
> power. The gravest threat to all this wealth and influence is the growing
> doubt over the question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
> actually took place.
>
>
>
> Numbers of Victims Don't Add Up
>
> The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish
> population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the
> American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February
> 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to
> 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in
> Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
> years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? (See Note 1).
>
> Following the rise of Hitler there were no more than 4 million Jews at
> most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power.
> Yet on June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some
> 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money.
> The International Red Cross had already reported in 1946 that of registered
> Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died, and their audit to
> December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees
> in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.
>
> It is interesting to note that in the Jews' real "bible", The Talmud, it
> is claimed that 800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrian's
> era. Yet there is no historical evidence to support this claim either. The
> Jewish-owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article by the well known
> Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly stated that Soviet Russia had
> supplied the figure of 4 million Jews having been put to death "in the gas
> chambers of Auschwitz." Thus it was the Judaeo-Communists and the Jews who
> initially originated these figures which today are accepted as "gospel
> truth". It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died in the
> huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered exaggerated, still Time
> Magazine reports that of this figure 20,000 died of typhus during the single
> month of March, 1945! If nearly half died of this plague in just one month
> at the end of the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
> "extermination camp". (See Note 2).
>
> Himmler - "Reduce Deaths at all Costs"
>
> Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on
> December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be
> reduced at all costs" (Reitlinger, "The Final Solution"). The camps had been
> hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that spread by fleas and body lice.
> Stomach pain, high fever, emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of
> the camps were factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
> Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's order on
> January 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates"
> (Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523).
>
> On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic Administration Office
> of the camps issued a letter stating that persons with tuberculosis were
> being sent to the camps resulting in the "shockingly high mortality figures"
> (Nuremberg Documents). Later, on September 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show
> that the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in
> June 1943.
>
> The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for
> mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch
> was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a
> policy of "extermination?"
>
> After the War, with suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim, a
> committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with communist
> leaders in Warsaw. There they established the "Committee for the
> Investigation of War Crimes and War Criminals". It was after this meeting
> that the announcement was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>
> The Problems of Mass Gassing
>
> In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all
> concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace. Some 15 years
> later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed
> only in camps located in Soviet held Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los
> Angeles Holocaust Center states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April
> 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The
> pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross, English Intelligence
> and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and Oster (who collaborated with the
> British) either did not know or did not believe in rumors of gassings.
>
> This brings up the following questions:
>
>
> 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for
> the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas
> chamber or gassed victims.
> 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war
> criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being
> involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever
> come forward who saw a single person gassed - AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE
> BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!
> 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who
> died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.
> 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp
> inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was
> always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red
> Cross document No. 9925, June 1946).
> Forced Confessions of Gassings
>
> Rudolf Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. When
> captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to mass gassings using
> Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about as reliable as any forced by
> Stalin from victims tortured before taking the stand to confess during the
> Moscow show trials of 1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess
> signed it. Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign - he
> died in his cell. Hoess' statement read, "half an hour after having released
> the gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines. They
> began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and smoking."
>
> Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no gassing?
> Zyklon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state Zyklon-B adheres to
> surface clothing and skin. They say that only after a 24 hour period,
> wearing a gas mask with the strongest filter, could any bodies be removed
> without killing such workers.
>
> If we believe the Hoess confession that the workers ran into the gas
> chamber "eating and smoking" - without gas masks - only minutes after the
> gassing - ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>
> Gas Stories not Possible
>
> The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial of Adolph
> Eichmann" states on pages 375 and 385 that Zyclon-B crystals were introduced
> from the ceilings of the gas chambers and "became immediately gaseous." The
> American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of no chemical process
> whereby HCN (Zyklon-B) may be made to become instantly gaseous upon exposure
> to air." (See Note 3).
>
> Claims of William Shirer
>
> Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake shower
> outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The truth is that
> Zyklon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to the ceiling so that
> anyone throwing themselves to the floor would be saved. Shirer also quotes
> the Soviet written confession signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We
> knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone
> were actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly thus
> there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that Zyklon-B was used to
> delouse inmates' clothing of lice and fleas which carry typhus.
>
> The Problem of the Crematoriums
>
> At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At the hospital
> in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In the Lubin camp there were
> only 6. THAT'S ALL! In these three camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed
> to have been exterminated and their bodies cremated. Furthermore, these
> cremation ovens were very small with only 18' doors and required from 4 to 6
> hours to burn each body using a large amount of coal. Cremation was used in
> the camps for those who passed away in order to prevent epidemics. No large
> supplies of coal were ever stored at the camps for cremations. A VERY
> INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of William L. Shirer's
> book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke
> Company, which built the crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote
> that millions of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
> In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add the following
> footnote on page 972 of the German edition: "The Didler-Werke have raised
> objection to the name of their firm appearing in the chapter concerning the
> extermination camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a
> statement of August 1961 established that the measurements are those which
> are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design intended for
> small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass burning." WHY IS THIS
> DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>
> On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would leave 15,000
> tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created over the short 2 1/2
> year period the holocaust supposedly took place would have been very
> difficult to dispose of. No one has ever come forward to report seeing such
> huge piles of tons of ashes. It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened
> the Auschwitz camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
> could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to another camp
> for gassings and then later went into oblivion!" (See Zimunism).
>
> What Experts say about the Holocaust
>
> Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40 books, many of
> which are standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal, 1967. "It has
> been demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those
> camps." Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author wrote: "I was at
> Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there." Paul Rassiner, historian and
> anti-Nazi activist, who served a prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora
> camps stated in 1962. "The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic
> lie - the most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time." Prof. Robert
> Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at the University of Lyon.
> France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The holocaust lie, which is largely of
> Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible,
> whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>
> Why the Holocaust Campaign
>
> Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the press, on TV-News
> or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is the long range design for
> this constant attempt to fill Germans and indeed all Christians with a
> feeling of guilt over a holocaust which never occurred?
>
> Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not until after
> the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There was a time when
> anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in national campaigns. The
> holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-Semitism among upper-level statesmen and
> publicists."
>
> S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The holocaust
> instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty and spreads the
> demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the destruction of the natural
> racial elite among a people. This transfers effective political control to
> the lowest elements who will cowtow to the Jews."
>
> Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of the holocaust
> on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling of collective
> indebtedness to the Jews."
>
> Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible because
> anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is condemned as being
> "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust victims. The Jews hold an
> unnatural violent hatred for the German people. Jews seek to turn all other
> peoples of the world against the Germans and keep that nation divided for
> all time to come. That is why no peace treaty has been signed as yet with
> Germany and why they still live under Allied military occupation laws.
>
> A Question of Fund-raising
>
> The Wall Street Journal quotes a Jewish professional fund-raising
> consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main theme of Jewish
> fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for 38 years. When they don't use
> the holocaust the money collection sharply drops off. Thus the more the
> Press, TV and Hollywood promotes the holocaust the more money the United
> Jewish Appeal and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people (Note
> 4).
>
> Holocaust Silences Opposition
>
> Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust stories over
> and over again they can instill a guilt complex within all Gentiles. This
> effectively silences most critics of Zionist political goals.
>
> Bad judgment on the part of the ADL? Or merely one more instance of the
> ADL's showing its true colors. You be the judge (The Ugly Truth About the
> ADL, E.I.R., p. 103-119).
>
>
>
> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/

VelvetVellocet
October 15th 06, 03:13 AM
By the way.

It's history, you weren't alive apparently to experience it. But are
feeling guilt over it.
I fail to see what this issue has to do with CATS!

But I believe a lot of orphaned cats died because their owners were
carted away to the death camps.

I'm going to Austria and will visit Mauthausen in November.

I'll give you my input after the trip.


VelvetVellocet wrote:
> Why do you care, or feel guilty?
> It happened like 70 years ago.
>
> Let's not repeat it!
>
>
> LC wrote:
> > Was there Really a Holocaust?
> >
> >
> > The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy which any
> > nation has ever been able to use to gain support for wars, expansion and
> > foreign-aid: This has made Israel the world's sixth strongest military
> > power. The gravest threat to all this wealth and influence is the growing
> > doubt over the question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
> > actually took place.
> >
> >
> >
> > Numbers of Victims Don't Add Up
> >
> > The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish
> > population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the
> > American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February
> > 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to
> > 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in
> > Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
> > years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? (See Note 1).
> >
> > Following the rise of Hitler there were no more than 4 million Jews at
> > most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power.
> > Yet on June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some
> > 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money.
> > The International Red Cross had already reported in 1946 that of registered
> > Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died, and their audit to
> > December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees
> > in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.
> >
> > It is interesting to note that in the Jews' real "bible", The Talmud, it
> > is claimed that 800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrian's
> > era. Yet there is no historical evidence to support this claim either. The
> > Jewish-owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article by the well known
> > Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly stated that Soviet Russia had
> > supplied the figure of 4 million Jews having been put to death "in the gas
> > chambers of Auschwitz." Thus it was the Judaeo-Communists and the Jews who
> > initially originated these figures which today are accepted as "gospel
> > truth". It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died in the
> > huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered exaggerated, still Time
> > Magazine reports that of this figure 20,000 died of typhus during the single
> > month of March, 1945! If nearly half died of this plague in just one month
> > at the end of the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
> > "extermination camp". (See Note 2).
> >
> > Himmler - "Reduce Deaths at all Costs"
> >
> > Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on
> > December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be
> > reduced at all costs" (Reitlinger, "The Final Solution"). The camps had been
> > hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that spread by fleas and body lice.
> > Stomach pain, high fever, emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of
> > the camps were factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
> > Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's order on
> > January 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates"
> > (Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523).
> >
> > On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic Administration Office
> > of the camps issued a letter stating that persons with tuberculosis were
> > being sent to the camps resulting in the "shockingly high mortality figures"
> > (Nuremberg Documents). Later, on September 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show
> > that the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in
> > June 1943.
> >
> > The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for
> > mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch
> > was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a
> > policy of "extermination?"
> >
> > After the War, with suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim, a
> > committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with communist
> > leaders in Warsaw. There they established the "Committee for the
> > Investigation of War Crimes and War Criminals". It was after this meeting
> > that the announcement was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
> >
> > The Problems of Mass Gassing
> >
> > In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all
> > concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace. Some 15 years
> > later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed
> > only in camps located in Soviet held Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los
> > Angeles Holocaust Center states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April
> > 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The
> > pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross, English Intelligence
> > and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and Oster (who collaborated with the
> > British) either did not know or did not believe in rumors of gassings.
> >
> > This brings up the following questions:
> >
> >
> > 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for
> > the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas
> > chamber or gassed victims.
> > 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war
> > criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being
> > involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever
> > come forward who saw a single person gassed - AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE
> > BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!
> > 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who
> > died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.
> > 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp
> > inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was
> > always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red
> > Cross document No. 9925, June 1946).
> > Forced Confessions of Gassings
> >
> > Rudolf Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. When
> > captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to mass gassings using
> > Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about as reliable as any forced by
> > Stalin from victims tortured before taking the stand to confess during the
> > Moscow show trials of 1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess
> > signed it. Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign - he
> > died in his cell. Hoess' statement read, "half an hour after having released
> > the gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines. They
> > began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and smoking."
> >
> > Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no gassing?
> > Zyklon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state Zyklon-B adheres to
> > surface clothing and skin. They say that only after a 24 hour period,
> > wearing a gas mask with the strongest filter, could any bodies be removed
> > without killing such workers.
> >
> > If we believe the Hoess confession that the workers ran into the gas
> > chamber "eating and smoking" - without gas masks - only minutes after the
> > gassing - ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
> >
> > Gas Stories not Possible
> >
> > The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial of Adolph
> > Eichmann" states on pages 375 and 385 that Zyclon-B crystals were introduced
> > from the ceilings of the gas chambers and "became immediately gaseous." The
> > American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of no chemical process
> > whereby HCN (Zyklon-B) may be made to become instantly gaseous upon exposure
> > to air." (See Note 3).
> >
> > Claims of William Shirer
> >
> > Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake shower
> > outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The truth is that
> > Zyklon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to the ceiling so that
> > anyone throwing themselves to the floor would be saved. Shirer also quotes
> > the Soviet written confession signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We
> > knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone
> > were actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly thus
> > there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that Zyklon-B was used to
> > delouse inmates' clothing of lice and fleas which carry typhus.
> >
> > The Problem of the Crematoriums
> >
> > At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At the hospital
> > in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In the Lubin camp there were
> > only 6. THAT'S ALL! In these three camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed
> > to have been exterminated and their bodies cremated. Furthermore, these
> > cremation ovens were very small with only 18' doors and required from 4 to 6
> > hours to burn each body using a large amount of coal. Cremation was used in
> > the camps for those who passed away in order to prevent epidemics. No large
> > supplies of coal were ever stored at the camps for cremations. A VERY
> > INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of William L. Shirer's
> > book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke
> > Company, which built the crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote
> > that millions of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
> > In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add the following
> > footnote on page 972 of the German edition: "The Didler-Werke have raised
> > objection to the name of their firm appearing in the chapter concerning the
> > extermination camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a
> > statement of August 1961 established that the measurements are those which
> > are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design intended for
> > small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass burning." WHY IS THIS
> > DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
> >
> > On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would leave 15,000
> > tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created over the short 2 1/2
> > year period the holocaust supposedly took place would have been very
> > difficult to dispose of. No one has ever come forward to report seeing such
> > huge piles of tons of ashes. It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened
> > the Auschwitz camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
> > could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to another camp
> > for gassings and then later went into oblivion!" (See Zimunism).
> >
> > What Experts say about the Holocaust
> >
> > Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40 books, many of
> > which are standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal, 1967. "It has
> > been demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those
> > camps." Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author wrote: "I was at
> > Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there." Paul Rassiner, historian and
> > anti-Nazi activist, who served a prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora
> > camps stated in 1962. "The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic
> > lie - the most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time." Prof. Robert
> > Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at the University of Lyon.
> > France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The holocaust lie, which is largely of
> > Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible,
> > whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
> >
> > Why the Holocaust Campaign
> >
> > Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the press, on TV-News
> > or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is the long range design for
> > this constant attempt to fill Germans and indeed all Christians with a
> > feeling of guilt over a holocaust which never occurred?
> >
> > Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not until after
> > the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There was a time when
> > anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in national campaigns. The
> > holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-Semitism among upper-level statesmen and
> > publicists."
> >
> > S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The holocaust
> > instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty and spreads the
> > demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the destruction of the natural
> > racial elite among a people. This transfers effective political control to
> > the lowest elements who will cowtow to the Jews."
> >
> > Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of the holocaust
> > on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling of collective
> > indebtedness to the Jews."
> >
> > Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible because
> > anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is condemned as being
> > "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust victims. The Jews hold an
> > unnatural violent hatred for the German people. Jews seek to turn all other
> > peoples of the world against the Germans and keep that nation divided for
> > all time to come. That is why no peace treaty has been signed as yet with
> > Germany and why they still live under Allied military occupation laws.
> >
> > A Question of Fund-raising
> >
> > The Wall Street Journal quotes a Jewish professional fund-raising
> > consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main theme of Jewish
> > fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for 38 years. When they don't use
> > the holocaust the money collection sharply drops off. Thus the more the
> > Press, TV and Hollywood promotes the holocaust the more money the United
> > Jewish Appeal and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people (Note
> > 4).
> >
> > Holocaust Silences Opposition
> >
> > Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust stories over
> > and over again they can instill a guilt complex within all Gentiles. This
> > effectively silences most critics of Zionist political goals.
> >
> > Bad judgment on the part of the ADL? Or merely one more instance of the
> > ADL's showing its true colors. You be the judge (The Ugly Truth About the
> > ADL, E.I.R., p. 103-119).
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/

kitkat via CatKB.com
October 17th 06, 02:13 PM
are you serious?

ummm - yes the holocaust happened.

I bet you're also one of those people that thinks evolution is a scam too.

But I'll tell you what DIDN'T happen - there were no WMDs found before we
invaded Iraq.

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