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sheelagh
December 25th 06, 06:07 PM
I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
her owner neglected to tell me it came as an added extra free
bonus..!!You have no idea how ungrateful I am towards her..believe
me?!This is irrelevant really, the point is,I have tried all sorts of
diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
difference at all.Since bringing her home, she has gained the sum total
of 250grams in a space of 4months.Other than the lack of weight
gain,she has had good blood results,& no lurgy's found-seems perfectly
happy,but looks like a bag of bones, poor thing.We have a multi cat
household with several varieties of cats including hienz 57's,birmans &
a couple of ragdolls.Compared to even the stray we took in a day or so
ago,she looks neglected at a quick glance.Being a Birman,her natural
build should be quite solid & stocky.But this is not the case with her,
she looks half starved!Has anyone else ever encountered a problem like
this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
S.

addicted
December 25th 06, 08:57 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
...else ever encountered a problem like
> this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
> S.

have you allowed him as much time to gain the weight as it took him to
lose it?

bookie
December 25th 06, 09:12 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
> her owner neglected to tell me it came as an added extra free
> bonus..!!You have no idea how ungrateful I am towards her..believe
> me?!This is irrelevant really, the point is,I have tried all sorts of
> diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
> science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
> protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
> beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
> difference at all.Since bringing her home, she has gained the sum total
> of 250grams in a space of 4months.Other than the lack of weight
> gain,she has had good blood results,& no lurgy's found-seems perfectly
> happy,but looks like a bag of bones, poor thing.We have a multi cat
> household with several varieties of cats including hienz 57's,birmans &
> a couple of ragdolls.Compared to even the stray we took in a day or so
> ago,she looks neglected at a quick glance.Being a Birman,her natural
> build should be quite solid & stocky.But this is not the case with her,
> she looks half starved!Has anyone else ever encountered a problem like
> this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
> S.

jsut an idea and it may not be a good one but...you coudl try giving
her food for very active young cats or maybe kitten food? active cat
type food may have more calories and energy in it and be what she
sneeds to gain weight, i don't know if that is a good idea. Also kitten
food may be more easily digestible than ordinary adult food and may
have more protein etc as it is designed for fast growing little furry
bodies and again this may be just what she needs.

i don't really know but that is what i would probably try. ask at tyour
local cats protection branch for help and advice too, they are alway
having to rehabilitate and feed up emaciated cats then have rescued so
they may know a few tricks. what is your area? you should have a branch
near you.

it is christmas night and there is f*ck all on tv, not even a bond
film, ********

addicted
December 25th 06, 09:18 PM
bookie wrote:

> it is christmas night and there is f*ck all on tv, not even a bond
> film, ********

you kiss your cat with that mouth? HAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHA

IM GLAD THERE'S NOTHING ON YOUR TV
I GOT 300 CHANNELS OF HD BLOCKBUSTERS
IN FACT I HAPPEN TO BE HAVING A BONDATHON, I do it every christmas

right now, we're watching octapussy

bookie
December 25th 06, 09:31 PM
addicted wrote:
> bookie wrote:
>
> > it is christmas night and there is f*ck all on tv, not even a bond
> > film, ********
>
> you kiss your cat with that mouth? HAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHA
>
> IM GLAD THERE'S NOTHING ON YOUR TV
> I GOT 300 CHANNELS OF HD BLOCKBUSTERS
> IN FACT I HAPPEN TO BE HAVING A BONDATHON, I do it every christmas
>
> right now, we're watching octapussy
******** to you then, i have 5 channels, crap on all 5 of them, i could
plug in my freeview box thingy and get some more channels but can't be
bothered with it and it would mean having to unplug some of my
christmas lights to power it up. might have to stick on the jackass
movie dvd my brother gave me today, wonder if it any different from the
jackass movie dvd I already have, soon see.

bah humbug

addicted
December 25th 06, 09:45 PM
bookie wrote:
> addicted wrote:

> jackass movie dvd I already have, soon see.
>
> bah humbug

well, better than nothing, it is funny
i've seen one or all of them I guess.

I seen the one where dude goes into a hardware store and takes a crap
in the display toilet

HE REALLY DID IT TOO, sitting back reading an upside down paper

funny thing was.. he messed up the first time.. he crapped his pants on
the way into the store.. so he had to wait, and go eat, and wait.. lol

sheelagh
December 25th 06, 09:47 PM
>
> IM GLAD THERE'S NOTHING ON YOUR TV
> I GOT 300 CHANNELS OF HD BLOCKBUSTERS
> IN FACT I HAPPEN TO BE HAVING A BONDATHON, I do it every christmas
>
> right now, we're watching octapussy
Barry!You shock me...I thought we wern't going to play this game
anymore?:o(
Be nice *please*?
S.

bookie
December 25th 06, 10:03 PM
addicted wrote:
> bookie wrote:
> > addicted wrote:
>
> > jackass movie dvd I already have, soon see.
> >
> > bah humbug
>
> well, better than nothing, it is funny
> i've seen one or all of them I guess.
>
> I seen the one where dude goes into a hardware store and takes a crap
> in the display toilet
>
> HE REALLY DID IT TOO, sitting back reading an upside down paper
>
> funny thing was.. he messed up the first time.. he crapped his pants on
> the way into the store.. so he had to wait, and go eat, and wait.. lol

that is a particularly good scene, not sure which is my favourite, that
one or the one where one of the guys puts toy car up my back passage
then goes to see a doctor pretending he doesnt' know what is wrong with
him

bookie
December 25th 06, 10:04 PM
addicted wrote:
> bookie wrote:
> > addicted wrote:
>
> > jackass movie dvd I already have, soon see.
> >
> > bah humbug
>
> well, better than nothing, it is funny
> i've seen one or all of them I guess.
>
> I seen the one where dude goes into a hardware store and takes a crap
> in the display toilet
>
> HE REALLY DID IT TOO, sitting back reading an upside down paper
>
> funny thing was.. he messed up the first time.. he crapped his pants on
> the way into the store.. so he had to wait, and go eat, and wait.. lol
did I say my back passage, i meant HIS back passage

sheelagh
December 25th 06, 11:13 PM
>
> jsut an idea and it may not be a good one but...you coudl try giving
> her food for very active young cats or maybe kitten food? active cat
> type food may have more calories and energy in it and be what she
> sneeds to gain weight, i don't know if that is a good idea. Also kitten
> food may be more easily digestible than ordinary adult food and may
> have more protein etc as it is designed for fast growing little furry
> bodies and again this may be just what she needs.
>
> i don't really know but that is what i would probably try. ask at tyour
> local cats protection branch for help and advice too, they are alway
> having to rehabilitate and feed up emaciated cats then have rescued so
> they may know a few tricks. what is your area? you should have a branch
> near you.
>
> it is christmas night and there is f*ck all on tv, not even a bond
> film, ********
Having ripped thier way through every spare penny I had this year in
10minutes flat ,they are now either otherwise occupied,or have other
thoughts on their minds-My thoughts exactly re:T.v-it was either do
that, or engage in intelligent conversation with my teenagelads who
would all rather be somewhere else right now(@ their girlfriends in
other words)..14,15 &17 year old.Being a teacher,need I say more?
Ok,best [email protected] the begining& work my way forwards.I got her in begining
of september,& she lost 500grams from the day I got her home,until mid
October.At that point I went back to the vet & she put her on science
plan.She was on that for just over a month & gained 100grams!When we
got to bag number 2,I questioned whether she thought it was worth it,&
she agreed that we didn't seem to be getting anywhere,so we went for
plan two(below)
,>>the point is,I have tried all sorts of
> > diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
> > science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
> > protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
> > beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
> > difference at all
Plan two was to try kitten food, so we swapped her onto Royal Canin
kitten food as well as a wet 4times a day -diet of one can of
whiskers,alternated daily with one meal being ground beef& oily fish
too.Since mid October until now, she has actually gained a further
150grams, but I would have hoped that she would have gained a bit more
than that given the amount of food that she is actually eating.In point
of fact, she gets more to eat a day than my big males are & they are
packing wieght on,where as she isn't?!!

> i don't really know but that is what i would probably try. ask at your
> local cats protection branch for help and advice too, they are alway
> having to rehabilitate and feed up emaciated cats then have rescued so
> they may know a few tricks. what is your area? you should have a branch
> near you.
I have had a word with them too,& the only other other suggestion that
they had was for me to try her on Cimmi-cat as well to see if that
makes any difference to her.(I live in the cambs area by the
way).Cimmi-Cat is a powder formula milk that they give to lactating
queens and thier kittens to help them maintain their weight whilst
lactating for kittens-so that it takes the pressure off mummy feeding a
large litter.I happened to have about a quarter of a can here from the
last litter we had ,so I have started her on it& she is gulping it down
like it's going out of production?!Only problem is that it is also
giving her the side effect of *the dreaded squitz*!!!So now I don't
know whether to keep giving it to her, or knock it on the head...
I think you are right.I will have to get back to them and ask for
further advice on this one.
It isn't that she won't eat;far from it, she never stops when it is
placed in front of her.It is not worms, because I wormed her just over
3weeks ago on drontal.(unless there are worms that it does not cover
that I'm not aware of?)
I will try & add a link to a photo of her for you to see what you
think.
She is ecver so hairy,so maybe you wouldn't [email protected] first glance, but
under all that big fluffy winter coat, she weighs so little that it
worry's me:(
I do realise that she is still recovering,but the point is that she is
eating such a lot, that you would have thought she would be gaining far
more than she is.
I keep thinking that there is something that I am missing here-the
question is,what?
On a foot note,lol,your right about the digi box-I did it earlier,&
guess what...little britain,sky news or some poxy documentory on binge
eating britain.Brillaint-Bring back Michael Grade,all is forgiven-we
need you to give us a few decent movies again.Thanks for your thoughts
on this one-if anything does come to mind, shout again if you would
please? Thanks:o)
S.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/TiggieTabitha

addicted
December 26th 06, 01:50 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> > right now, we're watching octapussy
> Barry!You shock me...I thought we wern't going to play this game
> anymore?:o(
> Be nice *please*?
> S.

yeah, lol

you're right, that was bad

instead of bookie, it's brokie

AND YOU TOO SHEELAGH

brokie#2

the annual "gift man" got all of your blue money
there's always next year to get even (makes no sense, I just liked the
dynamics of the phrase)

MaryL
December 26th 06, 03:44 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
> her owner neglected to tell me it came as an added extra free
> bonus..!!You have no idea how ungrateful I am towards her..believe
> me?!This is irrelevant really, the point is,I have tried all sorts of
> diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
> science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
> protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
> beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
> difference at all.Since bringing her home, she has gained the sum total
> of 250grams in a space of 4months.Other than the lack of weight
> gain,she has had good blood results,& no lurgy's found-seems perfectly
> happy,but looks like a bag of bones, poor thing.We have a multi cat
> household with several varieties of cats including hienz 57's,birmans &
> a couple of ragdolls.Compared to even the stray we took in a day or so
> ago,she looks neglected at a quick glance.Being a Birman,her natural
> build should be quite solid & stocky.But this is not the case with her,
> she looks half starved!Has anyone else ever encountered a problem like
> this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
> S.
>

First, have you discussed this with your veterinarian? She may have
problems in addition to those caused by ringworm.

Second, Duffy was very thin when I adopted him. He had been in a shelter
for several months, and they said he did not eat well. (Who can blame him?)
I used Innova canned, and he steadily gained weight. Once he reached his
normal weight, I changed to a diet that consists primarily of Wellness
canned plus some Innova Evo canned.

MaryL

December 26th 06, 05:06 AM
MaryL wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
> > her owner neglected to tell me it came as an added extra free
> > bonus..!!You have no idea how ungrateful I am towards her..believe
> > me?!This is irrelevant really, the point is,I have tried all sorts of
> > diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
> > science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
> > protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
> > beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
> > difference at all.Since bringing her home, she has gained the sum total
> > of 250grams in a space of 4months.Other than the lack of weight
> > gain,she has had good blood results,& no lurgy's found-seems perfectly
> > happy,but looks like a bag of bones, poor thing.We have a multi cat
> > household with several varieties of cats including hienz 57's,birmans &
> > a couple of ragdolls.Compared to even the stray we took in a day or so
> > ago,she looks neglected at a quick glance.Being a Birman,her natural
> > build should be quite solid & stocky.But this is not the case with her,
> > she looks half starved!Has anyone else ever encountered a problem like
> > this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
> > S.
> >
>
> First, have you discussed this with your veterinarian? She may have
> problems in addition to those caused by ringworm.
>
> Second, Duffy was very thin when I adopted him. He had been in a shelter
> for several months, and they said he did not eat well. (Who can blame him?)
> I used Innova canned, and he steadily gained weight. Once he reached his
> normal weight, I changed to a diet that consists primarily of Wellness
> canned plus some Innova Evo canned.
>
> MaryL

I agree. If this cat has an appetite, and has been offered all the
things the OP mentioned, something is wrong if she still looks like a
bag of bones after four months. Even Biskit, who was truly a bag of
bones, beefed up quite well after that much time.

Sherry

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 03:48 PM
addicted wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > > right now, we're watching octapussy
> > Barry!You shock me...I thought we wern't going to play this game
> > anymore?:o(
> > Be nice *please*?
> > S.
>
> yeah, lol
>
> you're right, that was bad
>
> instead of bookie, it's brokie
>
> AND YOU TOO SHEELAGH
>
> brokie#2
>
> the annual "gift man" got all of your blue money
> there's always next year to get even (makes no sense, I just liked the
> dynamics of the phrase)
Tee Hee,It's very true too (me!)
S.

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 04:24 PM
MaryL wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
> > her owner neglected to tell me it came as an added extra free
> > bonus..!!You have no idea how ungrateful I am towards her..believe
> > me?!This is irrelevant really, the point is,I have tried all sorts of
> > diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
> > science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
> > protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
> > beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
> > difference at all.Since bringing her home, she has gained the sum total
> > of 250grams in a space of 4months.Other than the lack of weight
> > gain,she has had good blood results,& no lurgy's found-seems perfectly
> > happy,but looks like a bag of bones, poor thing.We have a multi cat
> > household with several varieties of cats including hienz 57's,birmans &
> > a couple of ragdolls.Compared to even the stray we took in a day or so
> > ago,she looks neglected at a quick glance.Being a Birman,her natural
> > build should be quite solid & stocky.But this is not the case with her,
> > she looks half starved!Has anyone else ever encountered a problem like
> > this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
> > S.
> >
>
> First, have you discussed this with your veterinarian? She may have
> problems in addition to those caused by ringworm.

Yes,I got the initial bag of science Plan from her when I took Tiggy to
her about the wieght issue.It was about 2weeks after the ringworm was
diagnosed,so she put it down to that at the time.But In my gutt,I have
a feeling that you could be right.Yesterday after diner was cooked,I
took the rest of the meat off the carcus,then shared it between the
cats.Tiggy wolfed her's down & gthen returned to her bead & went to lie
straight back down again.(when the others started to preen
themselve's,stretched,took some water,used the box ect).

> Second, Duffy was very thin when I adopted him. He had been in a shelter
> for several months, and they said he did not eat well. (Who can blame him?)
> I used Innova canned, and he steadily gained weight. Once he reached his
> normal weight, I changed to a diet that consists primarily of Wellness
> canned plus some Innova Evo canned.
> MaryL

I found out from the Rspca,several weeks after we got her, that she had
been housed in a rabbit run for over 2months.Whether this has any
baring or not,I can not say?It must have had some effect on her,&I am
not sure if this could it have been where she picked up the ringworm?
The two brands of food that you tell me about are unfamiliar to me(we
live in the Uk).I wonder if it might be worth calling the cat
protection league to see what they use in their own shelter?But as you
point out yourself-it might not the be the best place to find out!
She eats pouches of whiskers kitten meat,Royal Canin kitten dry
complete,as well as a protion of minced beef every other day,mixed with
an oily fish(makrel presently).She has conditioning tablets with extra
protien & also any tit bits I happen across,like the turkey
yesterday.The clinic opens again tomorrow,so I think I will give her a
call to see if she can fit Tiggy in to her schedule.Something feels
incorrect.
S.
Ps:If anyone knows of a calorie booster available in the Uk, can you
let me know about it please?

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 04:32 PM
wrote:
> MaryL wrote:
> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> > ps.com...
> > >I have one cat that has just got over a nasty case of ringworm after
> > > her owner neglected to tell me it came as an added extra free
> > > bonus..!!You have no idea how ungrateful I am towards her..believe
> > > me?!This is irrelevant really, the point is,I have tried all sorts of
> > > diets and potions to try & get her to gain a bit more weight-including
> > > science plan,kitten food,wet food,dry food fresh meat for extra
> > > protien...conditioning tablets,protien supplements and even minced
> > > beef mixed with oily fish,but none of them seem to have made any
> > > difference at all.Since bringing her home, she has gained the sum total
> > > of 250grams in a space of 4months.Other than the lack of weight
> > > gain,she has had good blood results,& no lurgy's found-seems perfectly
> > > happy,but looks like a bag of bones, poor thing.We have a multi cat
> > > household with several varieties of cats including hienz 57's,birmans &
> > > a couple of ragdolls.Compared to even the stray we took in a day or so
> > > ago,she looks neglected at a quick glance.Being a Birman,her natural
> > > build should be quite solid & stocky.But this is not the case with her,
> > > she looks half starved!Has anyone else ever encountered a problem like
> > > this before,& if so, how did you deal with it,& make it work for you?
> > > S.
> > >
> >
> > First, have you discussed this with your veterinarian? She may have
> > problems in addition to those caused by ringworm.
> >
> > Second, Duffy was very thin when I adopted him. He had been in a shelter
> > for several months, and they said he did not eat well. (Who can blame him?)
> > I used Innova canned, and he steadily gained weight. Once he reached his
> > normal weight, I changed to a diet that consists primarily of Wellness
> > canned plus some Innova Evo canned.
> >
> > MaryL
>
> I agree. If this cat has an appetite, and has been offered all the
> things the OP mentioned, something is wrong if she still looks like a
> bag of bones after four months. Even Biskit, who was truly a bag of
> bones, beefed up quite well after that much time.
I have to agree that my worst nighmare scenario is that there is indeed
another problem that remains undiagnosed too.I am going to add a link
here so that you can see what I mean about the difference in their
appearnce.(I mean the Birman chunky normal look, and Tiggy's tiny
pettiteframe compared to them)
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/TiggieTabitha
> Sherry

MaryL
December 26th 06, 04:36 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Ps:If anyone knows of a calorie booster available in the Uk, can you
> let me know about it please?
>

Is NutraCal available in the UK? It is often used in the US as a dietary
supplement/calorie booster.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'<
Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e

bookie
December 26th 06, 04:45 PM
> I found out from the Rspca,several weeks after we got her, that she had
> been housed in a rabbit run for over 2months.Whether this has any
> baring or not,I can not say?

eh? i thought that this was the cat you got from a breeder? or is this
another cat? rabbit run? why? is she a cruelty case or something?

sorry can't actually add anythign more about how to feed up a cat, cats
just seem to eneter my house and get instantly obese, probably comes
from having a house of 3 adults all of whom think the others are not
feeding the cat enough
actually what about things like eggs yolks or cheese occasionally?

Lynne
December 26th 06, 05:26 PM
on Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:24:18 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> Yesterday after diner was cooked,I
> took the rest of the meat off the carcus,then shared it between the
> cats.Tiggy wolfed her's down & gthen returned to her bead & went to lie
> straight back down again.(when the others started to preen
> themselve's,stretched,took some water,used the box ect).

Have you checked her for internal parasites? I would suspect tapeworm if
her appetite is hearty and she's losing weight. Tapeworm is easy to spot
if you know what you are looking for (tiny rice-fleck-looking worm segments
around the anus, especially at night or right after she poos), and easy to
treat.

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

MaryL
December 26th 06, 05:51 PM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
...
> on Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:24:18 GMT, "sheelagh"
> > wrote:
>
>> Yesterday after diner was cooked,I
>> took the rest of the meat off the carcus,then shared it between the
>> cats.Tiggy wolfed her's down & gthen returned to her bead & went to lie
>> straight back down again.(when the others started to preen
>> themselve's,stretched,took some water,used the box ect).
>
> Have you checked her for internal parasites? I would suspect tapeworm if
> her appetite is hearty and she's losing weight. Tapeworm is easy to spot
> if you know what you are looking for (tiny rice-fleck-looking worm
> segments
> around the anus, especially at night or right after she poos), and easy to
> treat.
>
> --
> Lynne
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

That is a good suggestion (to search for tapeworm). Even if none are found,
it is a good idea to take a stool sample to the vet for a parasite check.
The sample should be as "fresh" as possible!

Don't buy over-the-counter preparations for parasites. They can be
ineffective and sometimes dangerous. Be sure to get the medication from
your vet.

MaryL

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 07:01 PM
It is the same cat & I did report it Bookie.I got her from a breeder in
Hampshire.She claimed to be getting rid of her cats so that she could
concentrate on the small holding that they had just leased(I would
NEVER Have guessed what would happen following collecting her from what
I saw of the farmhouse though!).But when I found out that poor Tigg's
had ringworm & had obviously had it for sometime too-I decided to try &
contact the other breeder that I met there,buying all *7Bengalis* from
her, to see if she had the same problem that I did too-& guess
what..???OF COURSE She did of course!!At that point, I went straight to
the Rspca,as did the breeder that bought all 7Bengali cats from her as
well,& *we both reported the case to the Rspca.*
It is a cruelty case ,& will be heard in court on the monday 5th feb
07.All animals were removed from the farm in question,& both the
bengali breeder & I have to apprear to testify on Mon 5th Feb 07.(they
would never have removed all of the animals if they thought for one
moment that they wouldn't get a guilty verdict, would they?)
When the Rspca came to visit us, they asked how much we had seen of the
small holding,& several other questions- they Also showed us some of
the photos that they took.It was horrifying..!!!! I have no regrets at
all either!I have never had to do anything like this before,but I am
determind to see it through!
If it was not for the impending court case I would tell you her name
also,if only to name and shame her-but I am restrained by law from
doing so until the case has been heard.(we are all inoccent until
proven guilty & that bollux).I can assure you that I will name her as
soon as the case is over,because I have absolutely no doubt in my mind
that she will be found guilty!!
Apparently all *10*cats(there were another 2that had already been homed
before either the bengali breeder or myself got there)- were being kept
in an large rabbit run.There were some 12 pigs found in the sty,feeding
on one of the pigs that had died from starvation too!!I have no doubt
that this one will hit the press because of the dreadful currcumstances
they were found in.I will tell you more after the case is heard.
> sorry can't actually add anythign more about how to feed up a cat, cats
> just seem to eneter my house and get instantly obese, probably comes
> from having a house of 3 adults all of whom think the others are not
> feeding the cat enough
> actually what about things like eggs yolks or cheese occasionally?
She does have some of both, as well as of the other tit bits we have
left over too.That is exactly why I am so concerned.The problem of
course,is that because she is not actually loosing wieght,but gaining
all be it slightly, I am told not to be overly concerned-the problem
is, that I am!
Her behaiviour is probably the most concerning-she will do anything
that she can to hide from the other cats, or climb beyond their reach.I
think I have myself a real problem here:(
S.

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 07:10 PM
> > Ps:If anyone knows of a calorie booster available in the Uk, can you
> > let me know about it please?

> Is NutraCal available in the UK? It is often used in the US as a dietary
> supplement/calorie booster.
>
> MaryL

I am afraid I am not familiar with that one either-but that does not
mean that it doesn't exist.I am going to have a little mini search on
the Pc, to see what we can get over here.I am certain that some of
these brands must be available, even if it means ordering on-line.I am
sure that some of them must be?!
> Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'<
> Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
> Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
> Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e

I have to say that I have been folowing some of your postings for some
time now & got really interested & involved with the exchange between
Yourself & Bookie too, about the adoption of a blind cat.
Your photos of Duffy & Holly are inspirational,& I have to say that the
I loved all of them,but most of all, the* Kitty Ballet* one made me
howl with laughter...Excellent Photos,please keep them coming?
And thanks for the advice too by the way.
S:o)

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 07:20 PM
Lynne wrote:



> Have you checked her for internal parasites? I would suspect tapeworm if
> her appetite is hearty and she's losing weight. Tapeworm is easy to spot
> if you know what you are looking for (tiny rice-fleck-looking worm segments
> around the anus, especially at night or right after she poos), and easy to
> treat.
>
> --
> Lynne
Actually no,I haven't.I treated her with drontal a few weeks ago, but
to be perfectly honest with you,I am not sure what it covers(which is
terrible really on my part!).I just asked the vet for an all round
wormer that would kill everything stone dead-& that is the one she
suggested.I will have a look in a few mins after I feed the troops-
that is when she normally goes for one(after her super!).I will also
take a sample to take with me tomorrow, to save her asking for one when
we get there<oh boy I am squeamish,out come the rubber gloves,lol!>
Thanks for the idea too.I know that is wrong of me to presumb, but I
did assume that when I asked her for something that knocks everything
stone dead,it would include all sorts & varieties too....
S.

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 07:34 PM
>
> Don't buy over-the-counter preparations for parasites. They can be
> ineffective and sometimes dangerous. Be sure to get the medication from
> your vet.
>
> MaryL
I will Mary.I learnt that lesson the hard way.About 10 years ago, I got
some over the counter product(I think it was Pendings kitten wormer
soloution in a bottle),& gave some to a litter of kittens that one of
our visitors kindly decided to have in our garage.I made absolutely
sure that I followed the instructions to the letter, but about 12hours
later, the kittens started dying,one by one,the whole litter of kittens
died.I called the vet, who took the remaining kitten into clinic,&
after a post mortum,she told me that they had dehydrated & starved to
death because a of a huge worm infestation.
It was a terrible thing to happen & to this day I still feel dreadful
about it & responsible too-but it did serve a as very good lesson to
me-you should never give any internal product to a kitten or cat
without consulting your vet first!!!
I still feel shamed about this story, but if my shame helps any single
person learn from my mistake, then it was worth sharing it with you..
S.

MaryL
December 26th 06, 08:38 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>
> I have to say that I have been folowing some of your postings for some
> time now & got really interested & involved with the exchange between
> Yourself & Bookie too, about the adoption of a blind cat.
> Your photos of Duffy & Holly are inspirational,& I have to say that the
> I loved all of them,but most of all, the* Kitty Ballet* one made me
> howl with laughter...Excellent Photos,please keep them coming?
> And thanks for the advice too by the way.
> S:o)
>

Thanks, Sheelagh. I think I have a camera permanently attached to my right
arm and can never resist taking lots of pics of Holly and Duffy.

MaryL

sheelagh
December 26th 06, 09:17 PM
> >
> >
> > I have to say that I have been folowing some of your postings for some
> > time now & got really interested & involved with the exchange between
> > Yourself & Bookie too, about the adoption of a blind cat.
> > Your photos of Duffy & Holly are inspirational,& I have to say that the
> > I loved all of them,but most of all, the* Kitty Ballet* one made me
> > howl with laughter...Excellent Photos,please keep them coming?
> > And thanks for the advice too by the way.
> > S:o)
> >
>
> Thanks, Sheelagh. I think I have a camera permanently attached to my right
> arm and can never resist taking lots of pics of Holly and Duffy.
>
> MaryL
You are most welcome:o)I can see why as well!
You must have had to put a lot of forethought into getting ready to
bring Duffy home,& Holly also must have had played a very big part in
welcoming him too?
I took a lot of time looking through all of the photos, & it would
appear that the carpet all over the top of your units must have helped
Duffy in finding his way around also?Big B will have a field day on me
for saying this, but I have to all the same-It is such an Inspirational
story that you share here.Duffy & Holly were ever so lucky to find
you.So many people would have walked on by Duffy,rather than even try
to give him the chance that you did.
It has even made me consider the idea as well.But in my circumstances,I
am not sure that it would be appropriate-I have too many lodgers here
to be able to devote the attention that I think that such a speacial
cat would deserve.Nevertheless,I enjoy every single update,& maybe,....
one day a bit further down the line..If I am ever in the right
position,I would most certainly "not just walk on by",now that I have
heard how little your circumstances did have to change to acommadate
Duffy to your home.
It has also given me a huge insight to the possiblities of
rehabilitation,that I would most certainly consider trying too.But that
will be another story later down the line.Well done to you,your family
,Holly & Duffy as well.
I can't wait to hear Bookie's installment's & hopefully a few photos
too-Photos do tend to speak volumes when you see them,don't they?
I also look forward to your's too.Well done to you all!
S:o)

bookie
December 26th 06, 10:43 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> It is the same cat & I did report it Bookie.I got her from a breeder in
> Hampshire.She claimed to be getting rid of her cats so that she could
> concentrate on the small holding that they had just leased(I would
> NEVER Have guessed what would happen following collecting her from what
> I saw of the farmhouse though!).But when I found out that poor Tigg's
> had ringworm & had obviously had it for sometime too-I decided to try &
> contact the other breeder that I met there,buying all *7Bengalis* from
> her, to see if she had the same problem that I did too-& guess
> what..???OF COURSE She did of course!!At that point, I went straight to
> the Rspca,as did the breeder that bought all 7Bengali cats from her as
> well,& *we both reported the case to the Rspca.*
> It is a cruelty case ,& will be heard in court on the monday 5th feb
> 07.All animals were removed from the farm in question,& both the
> bengali breeder & I have to apprear to testify on Mon 5th Feb 07.(they
> would never have removed all of the animals if they thought for one
> moment that they wouldn't get a guilty verdict, would they?)
> When the Rspca came to visit us, they asked how much we had seen of the
> small holding,& several other questions- they Also showed us some of
> the photos that they took.It was horrifying..!!!! I have no regrets at
> all either!I have never had to do anything like this before,but I am
> determind to see it through!
> If it was not for the impending court case I would tell you her name
> also,if only to name and shame her-but I am restrained by law from
> doing so until the case has been heard.(we are all inoccent until
> proven guilty & that bollux).I can assure you that I will name her as
> soon as the case is over,because I have absolutely no doubt in my mind
> that she will be found guilty!!
> Apparently all *10*cats(there were another 2that had already been homed
> before either the bengali breeder or myself got there)- were being kept
> in an large rabbit run.There were some 12 pigs found in the sty,feeding
> on one of the pigs that had died from starvation too!!I have no doubt
> that this one will hit the press because of the dreadful currcumstances
> they were found in.I will tell you more after the case is heard.
> > sorry can't actually add anythign more about how to feed up a cat, cats
> > just seem to eneter my house and get instantly obese, probably comes
> > from having a house of 3 adults all of whom think the others are not
> > feeding the cat enough
> > actually what about things like eggs yolks or cheese occasionally?
> She does have some of both, as well as of the other tit bits we have
> left over too.That is exactly why I am so concerned.The problem of
> course,is that because she is not actually loosing wieght,but gaining
> all be it slightly, I am told not to be overly concerned-the problem
> is, that I am!
> Her behaiviour is probably the most concerning-she will do anything
> that she can to hide from the other cats, or climb beyond their reach.I
> think I have myself a real problem here:(
> S.

where si the case to be heard? where was the small holding? i know you
cannot give oput the woman's name or anything but knowing when and
where the case will be heard will make it easier to follow it.
Sometimes stuff about animal cruelty does not hit the national press
but only features in local press, unless it is huge like the one about
the 100-odd yorkshire terriers found in disgusting conditions in a
puppy farm in sussex after the old dear who ran it died (and her sons
claimed they knew nothing about it, yeah right!!!!)

have no worries about seeing it through and making sure this womans
gets what she deserves, she has no excuses, this is not just a case of
ignorance it is wilful neglect, you are doing to the right thing in
testifying.

Bookie

sheelagh
December 27th 06, 03:42 AM
> where si the case to be heard? where was the small holding? i know you
> cannot give oput the woman's name or anything but knowing when and
> where the case will be heard will make it easier to follow it.
> Sometimes stuff about animal cruelty does not hit the national press
Pity!!!

> but only features in local press, unless it is huge like the one about
> the 100-odd yorkshire terriers found in disgusting conditions in a
> puppy farm in sussex after the old dear who ran it died (and her sons
> claimed they knew nothing about it, yeah right!!!!)
Tell me?!!
The initial hearing is to be held in Hampshire @ a Magistrates
court,where the bench has to decide whether the case can be heard by
them.If they feel that the case/crime is so serious,I believe what they
do is send it on the crown court,which would be far better outcome.
>From what I can understand,If the magistrates court do feel it is
within their duristriction, they can only impose a mamximum penalty of
upto 12months in prison(which as we all know means 1/2 the amount will
be served,& if she has a good behaviour record,perhaps even less & she
will be kicked out with a tag around her ankle;not really a sence at
all is it?..which feels very wrong) & a nice whacking great huge
fine.However,should they decide that the charge is so serious,... what
they do is send it on the the crown court, to be heard at a later date.
This would be far more preferable I understand, because the case will
be heard by a judge & jury too.Also the maximum penalty is far worse,&
she can be banned from ever owning any more animals ever again(after a
lengthy holiday @ her majesty's pleasure in Holloway... hopefully of
course!!).I know that this is what the Rspca are hoping for as well as
the Cps as well.
The excuses are unbelievable & she has already managed to get the 1st
hearing postponed once by pretending to be suicidal & unable to attend
the last schedualed hearing-but she won't be able to play that one any
more than once, because the case will be heard in her absence I am
told.As a result of becoming involved in this case,It has also made me
far more aware of what the Rspca are up against in their daily work &
for what they strive to achieve too.They do some incredible things to
try & ensure that people that don't deserve to animals, are
stopped;they also face some horrific sights as well.I admire thier
stamina~I would just loose it & hang the offender from the nearest tree
I could find?!!

> have no worries about seeing it through and making sure this womans
> gets what she deserves, she has no excuses, this is not just a case of
> ignorance it is wilful neglect, you are doing to the right thing in
> testifying.
I hope so.You wouldn't believe some of the e-mails that I have recieved
concerning what she will do to me If I go ahead and testify what I know
(which to be honest, is hardly anything at all...only the facts as I
have presented them.I bought a cat from a nice spick & span farmhouse,
but then discovered that the cat was riddled with ringworm,& flea's
that where so bad that she had a pink tinge to her coat!)
Initially I was just annoyed.But, the more that I thought about it, I
reasoned that if Tiggs had it,there was a large possibilty that the
other cats were likey to have it as well-It was pure chance that the
other breeder that I met there gave me her card.Otherwise I wouldn't
have known her from Adam & none of this would ever have come to
light.(I wonderd why after a 2.5hour drive all the way down there,she
didn't even offer us a cup of tea,&was most reluctant to even allow us
to use her lavatory-now I know why!!!!!)
*I will* let you know what happens as soon as the case is heard.
It has made me so much more aware of what the Rscpa see,& also have to
deal with as well.It is sickening really(I also hope that none of the
other people due to testify don't drop out or withdraw their satement's
as well- the less people that are willing to come forward,the less
chance they have of ensuring that this never happens again.It's easier
for me,because I don't live anywhere near this individual.But a lot of
the others do,& it might not be quite so easy for their neighbors to
testify against them ,nevertheless, they are the most vital ones that
need to:(
You sound about as tolerant as I am!!!?
S.

December 27th 06, 05:27 AM
sheelagh wrote:
snipped
But when I found out that poor Tigg's
> had ringworm & had obviously had it for sometime too-I decided to try &
> contact the other breeder that I met there,buying all *7Bengalis* from
> her, to see if she had the same problem that I did too-& guess
> what..???OF COURSE She did of course!!At that point, I went straight to
> the Rspca,as did the breeder that bought all 7Bengali cats from her as
> well,& *we both reported the case to the Rspca.*

Just curious, but I have never heard of a "Bengali". I assume it's the
same breed that we call "Bengals"?

> It is a cruelty case ,& will be heard in court on the monday 5th feb
> 07.All animals were removed from the farm in question,& both the
> bengali breeder & I have to apprear to testify on Mon 5th Feb 07.(they
> would never have removed all of the animals if they thought for one
> moment that they wouldn't get a guilty verdict, would they?)

Things probably differ in the UK, but here, the animals are
automatically removed as evidence, until such time the judge makes a
ruling dismissing ownership by the defendant, or the defendant
voluntarily relinquishes the animals. The defendant is required to
reimburse shelters/foster homes for all expenses in their upkeep until
such time and they are no longer legally owned by the defendant.

snipped

The problem of
> course,is that because she is not actually loosing wieght,but gaining
> all be it slightly, I am told not to be overly concerned-the problem
> is, that I am!

Seriously, if this cat is a former kitten-mill cat, I'd take her
immediately for a complete workup. Kitten millers don't spend money on
veterinary care for either the breeding stock *or* the kittens. Your
cat could theoretically be infected with about anything. Has she been
tested for the usual cat diseases? OTOH, some cats just don't gain
weight quickly because they are picky eaters. That could very well be
the case, and she is just normally always going to be a petite kitty.

> Her behaiviour is probably the most concerning-she will do anything
> that she can to hide from the other cats, or climb beyond their reach.I
> think I have myself a real problem here:(

Kitten mill cats just don't make good pets for the public at large.
It's good that you have a lot of experience with cats and don't expect
her to be the perfect pet. It's not unusual for them to be poorly
socialized, or be fear biters, or just plain fearful of everything. We
had such an outpouring of people wanting to adopt from the last puppy
mill we busted, because there was so much media attention. Most people
had good hearts and good intentions, but had no idea what they were
getting into. Not for the beginner or casual pet owner, for sure.

Sherry

bookie
December 27th 06, 06:02 AM
sheelagh wrote:
> I hope so.You wouldn't believe some of the e-mails that I have recieved
> concerning what she will do to me If I go ahead and testify what I know

I hope you have kept all those emails, print them out too, they could
be used in a charge of witness intimidation if they are from people
connected with the woman being tried. OR (info gleaned from my brother
who works for the CPS) you only need 2 instances of such contact, be it
emails, letters whatever from the same person and you can have them for
harrasment and that is a criminal offence not a civil one so you can
take the material that these people have sent you to the fuzz and get
them to deal with it (providing that 2 or more of the emails come form
the same person, sounds they wil be stupid enough to do this if they
are supporting this woman).
how on earth can they justify defending what this woman has done? if
you feel scared or threatened at all go to the police, take print outs
of the emails with you, tell them what is happening, they will take
this kind of thing seriously.

this greedy bitch need stringing up

best fo luck with it all and keeps me posted, Bookie

bookie
December 27th 06, 06:06 AM
> I hope so.You wouldn't believe some of the e-mails that I have recieved
> concerning what she will do to me If I go ahead and testify what I know


hang on, is the woman herself sending you these emails?, then you must
DEFINITELY go to the police, she is trying to interfere with the case,
intimidation of a witness, totally out of order. please say you have
kept the emails on record? they are evidence that she is trying to
intimidate you and you can claim harrassment, this is outrageous.

if you haven't kept them is there any way you can try to prise some
more out of her? if you know what i mean.... easily done you know...

December 27th 06, 07:34 AM
wrote:

> Kitten mill cats just don't make good pets for the public at large.
> It's good that you have a lot of experience with cats and don't expect
> her to be the perfect pet. It's not unusual for them to be poorly
> socialized, or be fear biters, or just plain fearful of everything. We
> had such an outpouring of people wanting to adopt from the last puppy
> mill we busted, because there was so much media attention. Most people
> had good hearts and good intentions, but had no idea what they were
> getting into. Not for the beginner or casual pet owner, for sure.


Isn't that the truth!

Nine years ago, I got a dog from a backyard breeder. I know, don't
support them. But my mom responded to an ad, got out there, and then
felt horrible at the idea of leaving the dog there. So, she brought her
home and gave her to me. She had answered the ad because my sheltie had
died 10 months earlier.

It was obvious that the dog was neglected and unsocialized. After she
got over being scared stiff (literally), we could see which fears were
because it was something new and which were terror from memories. She
was terrified of poeple's feet, falling objects (including kleenex),
anybody but me touching her leash (she freaked at a sheltie club
meeting when somebody else tried to pull her closer with the leash).
She was a disaster and took close to a year to get her to her state of
almost normal. She still has hints of those bad times, but usually
qualifies as the happiest dog on earth.

She did go to a couple sheltie club meetings when I realized she needed
socializing, and the local sheltie rescue lady told me the meetings
were only a couple miles away from where I live. She gave me some
advice on working with her and dealing with her issues.

So, a year later when we were looking for another sheltie, I called the
sheltie rescue, and we took our sheltie and collie to go see the 3
available shelties. None of them clicked with my mom, so we didn't
adopt any, but the rescue lady got to see Jenny in her much improved
condition. So, when she got a call from a guy about a pet mill breeder
dog with issues, she knew we could handle it and gave us first chance.
My mom went and came home with a seriously messed up dog. Not as
freaked as Jenny in terms panicking, but her damage was long term and
harder to fix. The guy that had her got her from the puppy mill, but
worked full time. So, this dog was never housebroken and very anxious
in an open home setting. She would pee and poop all over the house and
chew anything. We had her housebroken in a week, and the chewing
problem was gone in a month. My mom is retired, so she was home most of
the day, and could deal with the issues. One simple fix was to have a
crate in the bedroom at night to give her security and keep her
contained. And a crate in the living room with door removed. She wasn't
locked up, but she could have her security in her crate since that is
what she was used to.

Many of these dogs and cats require serious rehabilitation to get them
to a state of normal. It takes a person who can understand why they do
what they do and how to retrain those behaviors. And they need to have
enough time available to do that. There are lots of great pet homes
that would not be suitable for a rescue animal simply because they are
working full time and can't be there enough for that specific animal.

We have two cats from the shelter. One is very mellow and easy going,
but he has a few quirks. I've had him almost 2 years, and I still see
him relaxing more and becoming more comfortable with the people family.
He attached to me since day one, but still makes the others work hard
to pet him. My mom's shelter cat is extremely quirky. Sometimes, she
approaches with loud purring. Other times, she runs away like she
thinks you will kill her.

They are definitely not the same as adopting kittens and starting them
out young in our homes. But they have brought us great joy and are well
worth it.

sheelagh
December 27th 06, 09:15 AM
> I hope you have kept all those emails, print them out too, they could
> be used in a charge of witness intimidation if they are from people
> connected with the woman being tried. OR (info gleaned from my brother
> who works for the CPS) you only need 2 instances of such contact, be it
> emails, letters whatever from the same person and you can have them for
> harrasment and that is a criminal offence not a civil one so you can
> take the material that these people have sent you to the fuzz and get
> them to deal with it (providing that 2 or more of the emails come form
> the same person, sounds they wil be stupid enough to do this if they
> are supporting this woman).

Gosh!Really?Thanks ever so for enlightening me.I have 4e-mails in
total-2 from the woman herself, & also a couple from someone I have
never heard of before receiving them,(but seems to know a great deal
for someone who has nothing to do with this(I think me not-they do know
her & are involved.They must be,because they refer to this woman going
through hell,that I put her through-now that is a bit rich isn't it?!!)
No fears though.I have all of the e-mails saved to the Pc,& thought it
would be best to back them up by burning them to a disc too.You never
know,my Pc could crash, or I might even receive a nasty virus if
someone were to be so bloody minded~So I thought I'd be doing myself a
favour,& got a copy of them stashed up until such time as I might need
to refer to them.
> how on earth can they justify defending what this woman has done? if
> you feel scared or threatened at all go to the police, take print outs
> of the emails with you, tell them what is happening, they will take
> this kind of thing seriously

I can't say that I do feel threatend,mostly because like yourself,I
come into contact with lots of teenagers(I have 5kids)& to be prefectly
honest,I find them more intimidating than this pathetic excuse of an
imbecile.It tends to make you rather thick skinned,doesn't it?
I can't say that I do feel threatened;I'm a bit too thick skinned to
feel that way inclined.Nevertheless,I will hang on to them until such
time as they are needed, then I will hand them over to the
police-possiblly the next time I go into town,or the local bobby pops
round to see me.He is a personal friend,so I will have no problems
getting them to him.Do you know something?It hadn't even crossed my
mind until now that they were threatening really..I just viewed them as
rather pathetic!!It is rather hard to feel sorry for someone that has
utterly no regard for anything/or one, other than herself.

> how on earth can they justify defending what this woman has done?

It sounds like the person who sent them has a financial baring on this
small holding,& has lost rather a substantial amount of money after the
animals were removed from their care.It asks my why I felt that I had
to go to a higher body,rather than contacting them for reparation,if I
felt"done" by her.
Well the simple answer to that one is..If I had, she would have tried
to pay me off,& the animals would all still be there suffering in the
same way that they were the day I collected her.It was sheer luck that
I was able to contact the Bengal breeder though;sheer good luck I
should say!
I have every intention of getting my money back for the cat anyway, not
to mention expences,& vet bills too!!
Now, If she had been open & honest with me,& told me that she had 8
cats that she could no longer support,were ill, & that she couldn't
afford to take them to the vet,It might have panned out differently-but
she *chose* to whack me for 250 instead & turn a blind eye to her
poor condition,pretending to have no knowledge of what I was talking
about..insisting that there was nothing wrong with the poor thing when
it left her????!
If I am a fool for any reason,it was for paying that amount for a
cat-as you all say, there are millions out there that deserve a
home-but if you look at it from the other side of the coin,it was money
well spent in the end,as she needed rescuing just as much as any other
cat did.Her long pedigree didn't save her from abuse,did it?(& she
doesn't match the carpet either,lol:o)It is blue& she is white and
tabby~ In fact she is an utter pest,You can always tell where she has
been by the trail of white fur she leaves as she moves from one perch
to another...but I wouldn't swap her for all the tea in china.
She might be ever so shy, but she was also so starved of attention,
that you only have to lay a hand on her & the V8engines turn up on full
power & she purr's like a Blissful Garfield.

> this greedy bitch need stringing up

Rest assured,I will make it my lifes mission to ensure that she is!!
> best fo luck with it all and keeps me posted, Bookie

Thank you very much indeed for that,& Also to your brother too,for the
info on the e-mails.I appreciate that one no end-I would never have
thought of that one.
I will keep you well informed.It is just a pity that the laws in the
U.k are not as stringent as they are in the Usa-She would have been
booked(excuse the punn,not intended I assure you),plea bargained &
banged up too by now,eh?Suicidal, my back side!?

Right,I am now off to go and see how the new lodger is doing this
morning-the one that had a collar embedded in her neck-The fat
,swanky~slinky orange chap has already gone out for his morning
stroll,& other moggies are all giving me dead eye presently, the bowl
is out of pussy cat complete-how dare I not fill it before
9am?Scandelous,the neighbors will get to hear about it if I don't do it
right now!
S.

MaryL
December 27th 06, 10:24 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ps.com...





> I hope you have kept all those emails, print them out too, they could
> be used in a charge of witness intimidation if they are from people
> connected with the woman being tried. OR (info gleaned from my brother
> who works for the CPS) you only need 2 instances of such contact, be it
> emails, letters whatever from the same person and you can have them for
> harrasment and that is a criminal offence not a civil one so you can
> take the material that these people have sent you to the fuzz and get
> them to deal with it (providing that 2 or more of the emails come form
> the same person, sounds they wil be stupid enough to do this if they
> are supporting this woman).

Gosh!Really?Thanks ever so for enlightening me.I have 4e-mails in
total-2 from the woman herself, & also a couple from someone I have
never heard of before receiving them,(but seems to know a great deal
for someone who has nothing to do with this(I think me not-they do know
her & are involved.
<snip>
This is *very* serious if the woman herself has contacted you. Depending on
the content of the email, this could be construed as witness intimidation.
I think you should contact one of the prosecutors for the case because this
could provide more leverage for the case. Do not alter the email in any
way -- that is, leave it exactly where it is on your computer and do not
move it to a different folder until you hear whether the prosecutor (or
representative) wants to examine your computer. I doubt that this case
would rise to that level, but the courts often want to see originals and
want to verify the actual chain of evidence. Make a print copy to take to
the prosecutor.

<snip>

I will keep you well informed.It is just a pity that the laws in the
U.k are not as stringent as they are in the Usa-She would have been
booked(excuse the punn,not intended I assure you),plea bargained &
banged up too by now,eh?Suicidal, my back side!?

I wish I could agreen that laws against animal more abuse are more stringent
in the US. Unfortunately, many judges treat animal abuse cases very
lightly. The penalties you described are probably more severe than what
would be meted out here for similar offences (although there are wide
variations because of differing jurisdictions among states and localities).

Thank you for doing all this. Most people would vent and complain about the
treatment you witnessed and possibly demand financial compensation, but very
few actually follow through and work to see that justice is done.

--
MaryL

Right,I am now off to go and see how the new lodger is doing this
morning-the one that had a collar embedded in her neck-The fat
,swanky~slinky orange chap has already gone out for his morning
stroll,& other moggies are all giving me dead eye presently, the bowl
is out of pussy cat complete-how dare I not fill it before
9am?Scandelous,the neighbors will get to hear about it if I don't do it
right now!
S.

S.

bookie
December 27th 06, 11:10 AM
> This is *very* serious if the woman herself has contacted you. Depending on
> the content of the email, this could be construed as witness intimidation.
> I think you should contact one of the prosecutors for the case because this
> could provide more leverage for the case. Do not alter the email in any
> way -- that is, leave it exactly where it is on your computer and do not
> move it to a different folder until you hear whether the prosecutor (or
> representative) wants to examine your computer. I doubt that this case
> would rise to that level, but the courts often want to see originals and
> want to verify the actual chain of evidence. Make a print copy to take to
> the prosecutor.

yes, the woman herself should not be having ANY contact with you
whatsoever, it is not helping her case by her doing this, can't believe
she is being that stupid (no actually I can). take copies ot the police
dealing with the case, take some to the prosecutor as said above (or i
suppose whoever fromthe CPS is dealing with this case) they will be
very interested in this and the fact she is trying to intimidate you

btw CPS stands for Crown Prosecution Service for all our american
friends

and yes, thanks for doing this, many people would turn their backs and
not want the hassle or bother but as I always think "if you are not
part of the solution then you are part of the problem"

Bookie

sheelagh
December 27th 06, 11:11 AM
bookie wrote:
> > I hope so.You wouldn't believe some of the e-mails that I have recieved
> > concerning what she will do to me If I go ahead and testify what I know
>
>
> hang on, is the woman herself sending you these emails?, then you must
> DEFINITELY go to the police, she is trying to interfere with the case,
> intimidation of a witness, totally out of order. please say you have
> kept the emails on record? they are evidence that she is trying to
> intimidate you and you can claim harrassment, this is outrageous.
>
> if you haven't kept them is there any way you can try to prise some
> more out of her? if you know what i mean.... easily done you know...

I have them saved to disc as well as on my e-mail account too.I backed
up a copy of them all just in case someone decided to send me a nasty
virus(4in total 2from her & 2from someone I have never heard of
before!).I will ensure that the local bobby gets a copy of the today
too.I think he and his wife are popping round later this afternoon.I
will hand over the copy of them then.I have 2from her,herself & another
two that are from someone I have never heard of,but I think that who
ever sent them has a financial stake in the small holding by the way it
is phrased.
I am going to have to come off line for a little while.But the moment I
come back on,I will try & update you on where we go from here as soon
as I mange to come back on line again.Brb asap,ok?
S.

sheelagh
December 27th 06, 11:54 AM
..*
>
> Just curious, but I have never heard of a "Bengali". I assume it's the
> same breed that we call "Bengals"?
Yes,I did mean Bengali.I was using local slang language.I apologise



> Things probably differ in the UK, but here, the animals are
> automatically removed as evidence, until such time the judge makes a
> ruling dismissing ownership by the defendant, or the defendant
> voluntarily relinquishes the animals. The defendant is required to
> reimburse shelters/foster homes for all expenses in their upkeep until
> such time and they are no longer legally owned by the defendant.

If only!I think that over here it is a case of having to prove the
guilt of the person causing the neglect.To make matters even worse,I
believe that once the animals arte confiscated, the Rspca has to pay
for the animals upkeep until such time as they are either rehomed or in
the unlikely event, they are returned(they wouldn't take them if they
thought for one moment that they would be!)
I think that the Rspca should adopt the same policy that you have over
there-it would deter a lot more people I am sure of it.It is all to do
with the inocent until proven guilty bit.

> The problem of
> > course,is that because she is not actually loosing wieght,but gaining
> > all be it slightly, I am told not to be overly concerned-the problem
> > is, that I am!
>
> Seriously, if this cat is a former kitten-mill cat, I'd take her
> immediately for a complete workup. Kitten millers don't spend money on
> veterinary care for either the breeding stock *or* the kittens. Your
> cat could theoretically be infected with about anything. Has she been
> tested for the usual cat diseases? OTOH, some cats just don't gain
> weight quickly because they are picky eaters. That could very well be
> the case, and she is just normally always going to be a petite kitty.

You can tell which ones are the kitten farmers over here-but only if
you know what you are looking for(unfortunately most people don't),
they are just looking to buy a kitten & trust in the breeder.If the
advertisment reads"Pedigree but not registerd, then it generally means
that they are neither fully pedigree,unlikely to be brought up in an
inside enviroment,are socialised or even litter trained either.
I have had her tested Leukemia,fhiv & some bloods done for a few other
tests,but like you say, there are so many other things, that it is
entirely possible that there is something that I am not aware of yet.I
am praying that it could be as simple as a case of worms,but who
knows?I have booked her in to the clinic tomorrow @ lunchtime to be
seen again just to be on the safe side.
> > Her behaiviour is probably the most concerning-she will do anything
> > that she can to hide from the other cats, or climb beyond their reach.I
> > think I have myself a real problem here:(
>
> Kitten mill cats just don't make good pets for the public at large.
> It's good that you have a lot of experience with cats and don't expect
> her to be the perfect pet. It's not unusual for them to be poorly
> socialized, or be fear biters, or just plain fearful of everything. We
> had such an outpouring of people wanting to adopt from the last puppy
> mill we busted, because there was so much media attention. Most people
> had good hearts and good intentions, but had no idea what they were
> getting into. Not for the beginner or casual pet owner, for sure.

When I found her advertised on the internet, she was advertised as a
proven fully registered breeding queen of 2.6 years old,& also on the
active breeding register too.I actually looked forward to allowing her
to have a couple of litters,before spaying her & allowing her to
retire.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, when your not looking back over your
own shoulder,isn't It?
I*should have questioned a couple of things,But then again I didn't
know a couple of things until we got home with her.I did ask why she
appeared so small,& I was told that it was because she had recently had
a litter,& was in need of building up again before she had another
litter...But when I got home and looked through all of her
paperwork(which I have a feeling it isn't even worth the paper it was
writen on!!),I noticed that the breeder that I bought her from, was not
the same breeder that bred her-why would anyone sell a cat in their
prime breeding years was the first question?I am currently searching
for the breeder that bred *her*(Tiggs).I intend to find her where ever
she is!??
I checked out her paperwork against the Gccf( the same as your cat
fancy I think?),& they have 8kittens registered to her..but is this the
same cat that was registerd,because her last registerd kitten's were in
may06.I bought her in September,so why was she so skinny after her last
litter?She couldn't have had time to fit another litter in?!!
I have her booked in to the clinic tomorrow & I am going to raise these
questions with my vet.I am sure that she will be able to access
information that I might not be able to!
There is no way that I can allow her to mate with my Birman boy;in fact
I have no intention of breeding from her at all.She is such a shy
cat,timid & hardly able to cope with her own needs-I wouldn't &
couldn't mate her with any cat because I have my doubts about her
abilities as a mother.It would be unfair to the cat & also to the
kittens that she might have too.(not to mention any nasty hidden
diseases that I don't know about yet-hopefully it is just a case of
worms).Either way,I think that I am going to have to get her spayed,
for her own good.I feel it would be the kindest thing to do.I will let
you all know what the vet can find out for me though.
S.

sheelagh
December 27th 06, 12:39 PM
> This is *very* serious if the woman herself has contacted you. Depending on
> the content of the email, this could be construed as witness intimidation.
> I think you should contact one of the prosecutors for the case because this
> could provide more leverage for the case. Do not alter the email in any
> way -- that is, leave it exactly where it is on your computer and do not
> move it to a different folder until you hear whether the prosecutor (or
> representative) wants to examine your computer. I doubt that this case
> would rise to that level, but the courts often want to see originals and
> want to verify the actual chain of evidence. Make a print copy to take to
> the prosecutor.
I won't.It wasn't until Bookie mentioned it that I even thought about
it.I did when I got them a couple of months ago,& just copied them to
disc.I am so glad that she did point it out to me,otherwise I might
have forgoten about it completely!!They are welcome to [email protected] the Pc.I
will be passing on the disc with the record of the e-mails later
today.If it stops anyone going through this ever again,even if it is
only one single person, then it will all have been worth it for me....

> <snip>
>
> I will keep you well informed.It is just a pity that the laws in the
> U.k are not as stringent as they are in the Usa-She would have been
> booked(excuse the punn,not intended I assure you),plea bargained &
> banged up too by now,eh?Suicidal, my back side!?
>
> I wish I could agreen that laws against animal more abuse are more stringent
> in the US. Unfortunately, many judges treat animal abuse cases very
> lightly. The penalties you described are probably more severe than what
> would be meted out here for similar offences (although there are wide
> variations because of differing jurisdictions among states and localities).
> MaryL
> Thank you for doing all this. Most people would vent and complain about the
> treatment you witnessed and possibly demand financial compensation, but very
> few actually follow through and work to see that justice is done.

There is no way I am going to allow this she- troll to get away with
this.It is about the money(partialy-I would be lieing if I told you it
wasn't)...but most of all, it is the sheer blatent bare faced lies that
got to me, & the state of Tiggs a few days after we got her home.I
remember my first posting on here.It was about her.I was asking if
anyone had any idea what it might be, as I had already called the
breeder who told me that it was my central heating, then it was
eczma...I had taken her to the vets(my usual one was away @ the time),&
they told me that it was eczma,but I knew in my gutt that it was
something more sinister even then-& it was confirmed by loads of
you...& I had to go back tell that young locum to stick a woods lamp on
her just to make sure(& to shut me up,lol!!)
I agree with you entirely.I think it was a wicked thing to do!I am not
allowed to talk to the other breeder(Bengal's), but It might be a good
idea for me to mention that If have recieved e-mails from this woman,So
the chances are that she will have been e-mailed too?!!It stands to
reason that they have probably tried her as well,doesn't it?Maybe she
has already told them about hers,otoh,maybe she just ignored it like I
did??
I remember thinking "how pathetic does it get"?
A bit like the story I told you about the kitten wormer~there is no
shame in being honest,as long as you learn from it:o)
S.


> Right,I am now off to go and see how the new lodger is doing this
> morning-the one that had a collar embedded in her neck-The fat
> ,swanky~slinky orange chap has already gone out for his morning
> stroll,& other moggies are all giving me dead eye presently, the bowl
> is out of pussy cat complete-how dare I not fill it before
> 9am?Scandelous,the neighbors will get to hear about it if I don't do it
> right now!
> S.
The little collar girly is doing just fineShe took her antibiotics in
one gulp in the kitty chucks.Unfortunately plenty of hissing & spitting
this morning,so she must be feeling a lot better now.
The Huge Fat Orange chap,Ringo is lolling off the sofa,laid out like a
real life Garfield(his knocking @ the front door,still makes us
laugh:o)
I have got the big fat Lilly-Guttus-Maximus on my lap,Biffy is giving
her calf moon eyes, Tiggs is sitting in the radiator hammock(I got that
one for xmas-see, the kids do think of me?!!),& the ragdollys are
draped all over Paul...perfik as they would say around here!
S.

December 27th 06, 02:58 PM
MaryL wrote:
> Thank you for doing all this. Most people would vent and complain about the
> treatment you witnessed and possibly demand financial compensation, but very
> few actually follow through and work to see that justice is done.
>
> --
> MaryL

It is *so* frustrating. All the states differ so widely re: animal
abuse laws. But when it comes down to it, everything, I mean
*everything* hinges on whether you have a district attorney and judge
who are sympathetic to animal issues.
Most frustrating of all is when the defendant won't relinquish the
animals. That means we have to provide veterinary care, food, board for
as long as it takes for the trial to end and can't adopt them. The
last time we had those 291 animals for nine months. The judge only
required the defendant to reimburse a *fraction* of the cost, at $100
per month.
It doesn't take a mathmetician to figure out that very many more cases
like that, and the shelter would go belly-up. Other states have better
laws on records, to protect the caregivers of the "evidence." I believe
ours is changing soon, if it hasn't already.

Sherry

MaryL
December 27th 06, 03:13 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> I agree with you entirely.I think it was a wicked thing to do!I am not
> allowed to talk to the other breeder(Bengal's), but It might be a good
> idea for me to mention that If have recieved e-mails from this woman,So
> the chances are that she will have been e-mailed too?!!It stands to
> reason that they have probably tried her as well,doesn't it?Maybe she
> has already told them about hers,otoh,maybe she just ignored it like I
> did??

I'm not an attorney, but I would say that you absolutely *should not*
contact the other witness and especially *do not* ask her if she received
similar email. That is the job of the police, and they will (or should)
follow up once you give them your copies. If you do it yourself, you could
damage the case because anything she says could then be seen as "tainted" or
"unduly influenced" by your remarks.

--
MaryL

<snip>
> S.
>

bookie
December 27th 06, 05:38 PM
>
> you absolutely *should not*
> contact the other witness and especially *do not* ask her if she received
> similar email. That is the job of the police,

I agree, that is for the police to do, you don't want to mess the case
up, leave that to this stupid greedy woman who sold you the cat. Just
hand over what you have received already and they should follow it up,
what you have received may be enough by itself anyway.

B

cybercat
December 27th 06, 05:49 PM
"bookie" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
>>
>> you absolutely *should not*
>> contact the other witness and especially *do not* ask her if she received
>> similar email. That is the job of the police,
>
> I agree, that is for the police to do, you don't want to mess the case
> up, leave that to this stupid greedy woman who sold you the cat. Just
> hand over what you have received already and they should follow it up,
> what you have received may be enough by itself anyway.
>

I realize I am being a pain in the ass, but sheelagh, could you please quit
the all-caps thing you do from time to time? I would like to take you out of
my killfile.

addicted
December 28th 06, 12:14 AM
cybercat wrote:

> I realize I am being a pain in the ass, but sheelagh, could you please quit
> the all-caps thing you do from time to time? I would like to take you out of
> my killfile.

gee that's original

cybercat
December 28th 06, 12:36 AM
"addicted" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> I realize I am being a pain in the ass, but sheelagh, could you please
>> quit
>> the all-caps thing you do from time to time? I would like to take you out
>> of
>> my killfile.
>
> gee that's original
>

Did I say it was original?

Is there some reason you think I was trying to be "original?"

It was a simple request.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 01:30 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "addicted" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> I realize I am being a pain in the ass, but sheelagh, could you please
>>> quit
>>> the all-caps thing you do from time to time? I would like to take you
>>> out of
>>> my killfile.
>>
>> gee that's original
>>
>
> Did I say it was original?
>
> Is there some reason you think I was trying to be "original?"
>
> It was a simple request.
>
Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
don't you understand, bigbad?

Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?

(I can answer that for you if you want.) :)

addicted
December 28th 06, 02:18 AM
cybercat wrote:

> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> don't you understand, bigbad?
>
> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
>
> (I can answer that for you if you want.) :)

you replied to bookie dear
maybe sheelagh read it though

heee

NOBODY TOLD YOU TO EAT THE WHOLE DAMN CARTON OF ICE CREAM

cybercat
December 28th 06, 02:28 AM
"addicted" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
>> don't you understand, bigbad?
>>
>> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
>>
>> (I can answer that for you if you want.) :)
>
> you replied to bookie dear
> maybe sheelagh read it though
>
> heee
>
> NOBODY TOLD YOU TO EAT THE WHOLE DAMN CARTON OF ICE CREAM
>

>:

It was a big piece of caramel cake.

Should have just slapped it right on my ass.

Lynne
December 28th 06, 02:30 AM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> don't you understand, bigbad?
>
> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?

I'm with you on the all caps thing.

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

cybercat
December 28th 06, 02:36 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
m...
> on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
>> don't you understand, bigbad?
>>
>> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
>
> I'm with you on the all caps thing.
>
> --

Thank yew sisTAH! :)

addicted
December 28th 06, 02:56 AM
cybercat wrote:

> It was a big piece of caramel cake.
>
> Should have just slapped it right on my ass.

don't forget the chocolate sauce, melted butter, and pineapple topping

yeah, that would be real pretty

MaryL
December 28th 06, 03:13 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
m...
> on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
>> don't you understand, bigbad?
>>
>> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
>
> I'm with you on the all caps thing.
>
> --
> Lynne
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
is consistently used instead of "I."

MaryL

Lynne
December 28th 06, 03:15 AM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:13:01 GMT, "MaryL"
-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:

> Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that
> lack at least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example,
> messages where "i" is consistently used instead of "I."

ditto there! And while we're bitching <G>, long posts with no white space
(paragraph breaks) frustrate me to no end as well.

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

December 28th 06, 03:27 AM
MaryL wrote:
> "Lynne" > wrote in message
> m...
> > on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
> >
> >> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> >> don't you understand, bigbad?
> >>
> >> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
> >
> > I'm with you on the all caps thing.
> >
> > --
> > Lynne
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/
>
> Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
> least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
> is consistently used instead of "I."
>
> MaryL

I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.

Sherry

bookie
December 28th 06, 03:58 AM
wrote:
> MaryL wrote:
> > "Lynne" > wrote in message
> > m...
> > > on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> > >> don't you understand, bigbad?
> > >>
> > >> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
> > >
> > > I'm with you on the all caps thing.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lynne
> > >
> > > http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/
> >
> > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
> > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
> > is consistently used instead of "I."
> >
> > MaryL
>
> I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> Sherry

and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
birth eh?

jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
being so petty.

the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
aren't there?

by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
explain what you mean.

Lynne
December 28th 06, 04:13 AM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:14 GMT, "bookie" >
wrote:

> some of us are more concerned
> with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
> information it is supposed to be conveying to us

The point is that some of what is posted is difficult to read for content.
HTH!

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

MaryL
December 28th 06, 04:15 AM
"bookie" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> MaryL wrote:
>> > "Lynne" > wrote in message
>> > m...
>> > > on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
>> > >> don't you understand, bigbad?
>> > >>
>> > >> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
>> > >
>> > > I'm with you on the all caps thing.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Lynne
>> > >
>> > > http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/
>> >
>> > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack
>> > at
>> > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages
>> > where "i"
>> > is consistently used instead of "I."
>> >
>> > MaryL
>>
>> I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
>> to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
>> to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
>> doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
>> anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
>> inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>>
>> Sherry
>
> and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
> birth eh?
>
> jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
> collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
> spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
> none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
> with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
> information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
> being so petty.
>
> the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
> enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
> i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
> idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
> flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
> aren't there?
>
> by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
> someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
> sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
> explain what you mean.
>

Bookie,

It seems to me that one of the problems is that people who obviously *do*
know how to punctuate and capitalize simply don't bother to do so in their
messages to Usenet. I say "obviously" because I think I can glean that
information from the basic content of many of these messages. We are not
trying to be "grammar police." I would often fail the test, if that were
the case. However, some of the messages are *incredibly* difficult to read.
As a result, I bypass some of them (just as Sherry described). That is
unfortunate because I probably miss some messages that either provide
information that could help me or that ask questions that I could answer.
However, I don't want to spend all my spare time trying to wade through the
tangle of almost-indecipherable passages that are sometimes posted.

MaryL

cybercat
December 28th 06, 04:20 AM
"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:
>>
>
> Bookie,
>
> It seems to me that one of the problems is that people who obviously *do*
> know how to punctuate and capitalize simply don't bother to do so in their
> messages to Usenet. I say "obviously" because I think I can glean that
> information from the basic content of many of these messages. We are not
> trying to be "grammar police." I would often fail the test, if that were
> the case. However, some of the messages are *incredibly* difficult to
> read. As a result, I bypass some of them (just as Sherry described). That
> is unfortunate because I probably miss some messages that either provide
> information that could help me or that ask questions that I could answer.
> However, I don't want to spend all my spare time trying to wade through
> the tangle of almost-indecipherable passages that are sometimes posted.
>

Now doesn't that look better? :)

December 28th 06, 04:22 AM
bookie wrote:
> wrote:
> > MaryL wrote:
> > > "Lynne" > wrote in message
> > > m...
> > > > on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:30:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> > > >> don't you understand, bigbad?
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
> > > >
> > > > I'm with you on the all caps thing.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lynne
> > > >
> > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/
> > >
> > > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
> > > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
> > > is consistently used instead of "I."
> > >
> > > MaryL
> >
> > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
> >
> > Sherry
>
> and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
> birth eh?
>
> jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
> collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
> spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
> none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
> with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
> information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
> being so petty.
>
> the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
> enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
> i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
> idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
> flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
> aren't there?
>
> by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
> someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
> sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
> explain what you mean.

<shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
*know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
that much effort to punch a caps key.

Sherry

cybercat
December 28th 06, 04:23 AM
"bookie" > wrote
>>

>
> jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
> collective rod fall out?

Yours are among the more annoying posts, Bookie. You can post
as you like, but you appear to be illiterate or at the very least,
inconsiderate.

It isn't as bad as using all caps, but it still gets my thong in a knot.

Yes, I know I am a pain in the ass. Happy Christmas! Now you know
you are too!

hahahahaha!

cybercat
December 28th 06, 04:25 AM
> wrote
> <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
> the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
> that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
> really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
> Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
> *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
> that much effort to punch a caps key.
>

Nicely said.



--
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cybercat
December 28th 06, 04:26 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "bookie" > wrote
>>>
>
>>
>> jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
>> collective rod fall out?
>
> Yours are among the more annoying posts, Bookie. You can post
> as you like, but you appear to be illiterate or at the very least,
> inconsiderate.
>
> It isn't as bad as using all caps, but it still gets my thong in a knot.
>
> Yes, I know I am a pain in the ass. Happy Christmas! Now you know
> you are too!
>
> hahahahaha!
>
>

hahahahaha! Posters! I meant POSTERS!!!



--
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Matthew
December 28th 06, 05:03 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "addicted" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>>
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
>>> don't you understand, bigbad?
>>>
>>> Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
>>>
>>> (I can answer that for you if you want.) :)
>>
>> you replied to bookie dear
>> maybe sheelagh read it though
>>
>> heee
>>
>> NOBODY TOLD YOU TO EAT THE WHOLE DAMN CARTON OF ICE CREAM
>>
>
>>:
>
> It was a big piece of caramel cake.
>
> Should have just slapped it right on my ass.

This reminds me of something? What was that old game show? Oh yeah I
remember it " I buy that for a dollar ". Make one hell of a webcam movie
;-)

Matthew
December 28th 06, 05:17 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> > wrote
>> <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
>> the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
>> that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
>> really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
>> Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
>> *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
>> that much effort to punch a caps key.
>>
>
> Nicely said.
>
>

Most of us; as another pointed out, could just care less to waste them time
to worry about dotting the i and crossing every t.

As long as the point is made ;-) Sorry could not resist.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:18 AM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> .. .
>>
>> > wrote
>>> <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
>>> the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
>>> that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
>>> really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
>>> Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
>>> *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
>>> that much effort to punch a caps key.
>>>
>>
>> Nicely said.
>>
>>
>
> Most of us; as another pointed out, could just care less to waste them
> time to worry about dotting the i and crossing every t.
>
> As long as the point is made ;-) Sorry could not resist.
>

I think you mean you could NOT care less. Sorry, could NOT resist.

hahahahahaha!!

When I do Pain in the Ass, I do it right.

Lynne
December 28th 06, 05:22 AM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:18:56 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> When I do Pain in the Ass, I do it right.

I like a gal who holds to her convictions!

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:23 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
m...
> on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:18:56 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> When I do Pain in the Ass, I do it right.
>
> I like a gal who holds to her convictions!
>
> --

SISTAH! :D

Give Levi a kiss for me.

Lynne
December 28th 06, 05:31 AM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:23:17 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> Give Levi a kiss for me.

OK!! He's asleep on my shoulder right now. :)

Funny story. My daughter is very sick with mono (okay, that is not the
funny part). She called to me in her cute little voice a while ago and
when I went in to her room, she was stuck under Rudy, who she was too weak
to lift off of her. So I said, "com'ere Mister Fatty!" and picked him up.
My daughter then said, "he's not fat, he's big boned!" Made me giggle.

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

MaryL
December 28th 06, 05:42 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
...
> on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:23:17 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> Give Levi a kiss for me.
>
> OK!! He's asleep on my shoulder right now. :)
>
> Funny story. My daughter is very sick with mono (okay, that is not the
> funny part). She called to me in her cute little voice a while ago and
> when I went in to her room, she was stuck under Rudy, who she was too weak
> to lift off of her. So I said, "com'ere Mister Fatty!" and picked him up.
> My daughter then said, "he's not fat, he's big boned!" Made me giggle.
>
> --
> Lynne
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

The part about the cat being "big boned" really is funny, but I'm sorry to
hear about your daughter. She must be *very* ill (unless she is very small)
to be too weak to lift a cat. I hope she improves rapidly!

MaryL

Lynne
December 28th 06, 05:46 AM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:42:12 GMT, "MaryL"
-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:

> The part about the cat being "big boned" really is funny, but I'm
> sorry to hear about your daughter. She must be *very* ill (unless she
> is very small) to be too weak to lift a cat. I hope she improves
> rapidly!

Thank you, Mary. This has been really rough on her, especially during the
holiday vacation when she should be playing with her friends. :(

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

December 28th 06, 05:49 AM
Matthew wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > > wrote
> >> <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
> >> the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
> >> that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
> >> really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
> >> Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
> >> *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
> >> that much effort to punch a caps key.
> >>
> >
> > Nicely said.
> >
> >
>
> Most of us; as another pointed out, could just care less to waste them time
> to worry about dotting the i and crossing every t.
>
> As long as the point is made ;-) Sorry could not resist.

Oh, come on Matthew. I thought you were old school. What happened to
"anything worth doing, is worth doing right?" :-)

Sherry

addicted
December 28th 06, 12:50 PM
cybercat wrote:

> Yes, I know I am a pain in the ass. Happy Christmas! Now you know
> you are too!
>
> hahahahaha!

bookie is a tidy little woman who hides her age well
she can probably put on a cap and pass as a bloke (if she wanted to)
she is attracted to males, but would settle for a clean woman

that's not a put down, many ladies would settle for a clean woman
oppossed to a harried "emotional dead-beat" male

bookie
December 28th 06, 01:29 PM
cybercat wrote:
> > wrote
> > <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
> > the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
> > that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
> > really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
> > Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
> > *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
> > that much effort to punch a caps key.
> >
>
> Nicely said.

do you know what time of the morning it is over here when most of us
plucky brits tend to be conversing with you yanks? usually about 3 or
4am, so my ability to self regulate my typing has long since departed,
especially since i am only up and out of bed in order to deal with a
small cat who seesm to want to play 'attack the toes' or chase or
whatever at that time.

christs sake, give us a break

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 01:37 PM
> >
>
> I realize I am being a pain in the ass, but sheelagh, could you please quit
> the all-caps thing you do from time to time? I would like to take you out of
> my killfile
Is caps locking in capital letters?
If so you can put that knife away right now!
S:o)

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 01:46 PM
addicted wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>
> > Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> > don't you understand, bigbad?
> >
> > Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
> >
> > (I can answer that for you if you want.) :)
>
> you replied to bookie dear
> maybe sheelagh read it though
>
I read it!
I am just going through the mail nowq, whilst I wait for someone who is
coming to see the Moggies.
She has never had one before,So I want to see her interact with them
before I agree to let her have one...I have high hopes with this lady.
S.
Ps.I fon't intend to be a pain in the ass,lol

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 01:46 PM
addicted wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>
> > Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> > don't you understand, bigbad?
> >
> > Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
> >
> > (I can answer that for you if you want.) :)
>
> you replied to bookie dear
> maybe sheelagh read it though
>
I read it!
I am just going through the mail nowq, whilst I wait for someone who is
coming to see the Moggies.
She has never had one before,So I want to see her interact with them
before I agree to let her have one...I have high hopes with this lady.
S.
Ps.I don't intend to be a pain in the ass,lol

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 01:46 PM
addicted wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>
> > Also: what part of "I know I am being a pain in the ass"
> > don't you understand, bigbad?
> >
> > Can you help it when something gets on your nerves?
> >
> > (I can answer that for you if you want.) :)
>
> you replied to bookie dear
> maybe sheelagh read it though
>
I read it!
I am just going through the mail nowq, whilst I wait for someone who is
coming to see the Moggies.
She has never had one before,So I want to see her interact with them
before I agree to let her have one...I have high hopes with this lady.
S.
Ps.I don't intend to be a pain in the ass,lol

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 02:44 PM
> > >
> > > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
> > > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
> > > is consistently used instead of "I."
> > >
> > > MaryL
> >
> > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
> >
> > Sherry
>
> and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
> birth eh?
>
> jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
> collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
> spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
> none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
> with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
> information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
> being so petty.
>
> the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
> enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
> i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
> idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
> flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
> aren't there?
>
> by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
> someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
> sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
> explain what you mean.

Right,It would appear that I have spent far too much time off line ,as
I don't appear to be keeping up with my critic's here.
I would like to apologise about the spelling,caps locking,grammar,and
punctuation too.I'm afraid I don't know what Idosycracies are,so I
can't comment on them.
>
> > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.

I also apolgies to you too.
I had better explain the circumstances,then you might appreciate why my
typing is so terrible,not to mention my spelling and all the rest of
the mistakes that I seem to make that **** everyone off.
I taught myself to write and read alongside my children.I was brought
up in Africa in the bowels of a small coutry called Sierra Leone,where
my parent's worked for a mining company.Unfortunately,my parent's
didn't see the nessecity of teaching me to read & write as they didn't
forsee the benenfit's of taking the trouble to.All you see here is
what my own children have taught me.
I used to feel ashamed of the fact,& even went to the extent of
pretending that I could,but now that I am an old grumpy mummy,I see no
point In carrying on this pretense any further.
I would say that I have been reading & writing for some 2years now &It
has opened up an entirely new world to me.Doing things such as writiing
on here would have been a closed book a few short years ago.Being
illiterate Is a terrible handicap & I wouldn't wish it on anyone.As you
can see by your own comment's,people take it for granted that everyone
does know better -but they don't.Being illiterate doesn't mean that you
are stupid or unintelligent-It means that you are Ignorant!And how do I
know this?I looked it up in the dictionary,because I am able to now.
I also am very sorry that I might not be very good at grammer &
punctuation either.To this very day I continue to learn new things on a
daily basis.Take this posting for instance.I have been using a keyboard
for around 6months now,and this is only possible because of my children
teaching me that It doesn't matter how old you are, there are no rules
that bind a person on how old they have to be before learning a new
skill.
When I was much younger, I was too embarresed to admit that I couldn't
read or write.Everyone know's how to read & write,Don't they?
No! We just assume they do,right?This is not a critical comment,but It
might serve you well in the future not to assume that everyone know's
what you do.You have no idea how many times I have to sit here and look
up what some of the words mean that you post here,but you don't see me
moaning that I don't understand what they mean,or the context or the
phrasiology either...not to mention the abbreviations that you use!
I take your comments to heart though & I will strive in the future to
try and not make the same mistake's and to try harder with the
paragraphs too.

>Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > anyting worth reading
But I also took note of your foot note too.

Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.

I will try not to be too long winded in the future & keep my comments
to a minimum.I guess when you learn a new skill, you tend to be proud
of it & overuse it?

And as a footnote,Good for you Bookie.it must drive you round the bend
having to try & not notice others mistake's,especially If you have to
do It every day.It must be difficult?
S.:o)Be Happy!

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 03:05 PM
bookie wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
> > > wrote
> > > <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
> > > the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
> > > that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
> > > really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
> > > Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
> > > *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
> > > that much effort to punch a caps key.
> > >
> >
> > Nicely said.
>
> do you know what time of the morning it is over here when most of us
> plucky brits tend to be conversing with you yanks? usually about 3 or
> 4am, so my ability to self regulate my typing has long since departed,
> especially since i am only up and out of bed in order to deal with a
> small cat who seesm to want to play 'attack the toes' or chase or
> whatever at that time.
>
> christs sake, give us a break

This in point of fact,Is very true indeed.Most of your posting's from
the States are extreemly late @ night over here.We like conversing with
you,which is why we make the effort.
I understand your anoyance at our mistake's, but Is It really that big
a deal to you?

I can certainly tell you that In my case,It Is never done just to get
under your girdle(thong!)
I do however,take your point & will try a lot harder in future.I simply
didn't realise just how much it got up your nose.I was going to say
snout.But then thought about It & realised that you might take offense
to the word.Over hear,It is simply a slang word for nose, but you might
have taken it in It's litteral form & thought I was trying to be
offensive.

We have to think quite a bit before posting actually, in case of that
very reason.If I mean to cause offense, I can assure you that It would
be Incredibally clear....I say this "just in case" I ever do use a word
that you might possibly construe as rude.
S.

MaryL
December 28th 06, 03:17 PM
"bookie" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>> > wrote
>> > <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
>> > the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
>> > that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
>> > really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
>> > Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
>> > *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
>> > that much effort to punch a caps key.
>> >
>>
>> Nicely said.
>
> do you know what time of the morning it is over here when most of us
> plucky brits tend to be conversing with you yanks? usually about 3 or
> 4am, so my ability to self regulate my typing has long since departed,
> especially since i am only up and out of bed in order to deal with a
> small cat who seesm to want to play 'attack the toes' or chase or
> whatever at that time.
>
> christs sake, give us a break
>

Bookie, that really doesn't make any sense. You can respond at any hour of
the day you wish! If you look at the timestamps on my mail, you will see
that I am sometimes up in the middle of the night and sometimes (like now) I
am posting at a more reasonable hour. But I certainly don't stay glued to
the computer monitor so I can respond precisely when a message is posted.
Likewise, I hope you don't *really* think you have to gear your responses to
the clock of another time zone. Yes, I noticed what you said about being up
early to deal with your cat, but you also said that "most" of you are
conversing at 3 or 4 a.m.

Your messages look the same to me regardless of the time they were posted.
We are not asking posters to get out their old English grammar manuals
before sending off a message; just consider your audience and take a
*little* care. I don't want to drag this on forever, especially since this
NG is about cats, but I think you are missing the point -- messages that
ignore all standards of grammar and punctuation are simply *difficult to
read* and will often be ignored. That is the opposite of what someone
posting probably wants.

MaryL

MaryL
December 28th 06, 03:26 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>> > >
>> > > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that
>> > > lack at
>> > > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages
>> > > where "i"
>> > > is consistently used instead of "I."
>> > >
>> > > MaryL
>> >
>> > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
>> > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
>> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
>> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
>> > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
>> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>> >
>> > Sherry
>>
>> and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
>> birth eh?
>>
>> jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
>> collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
>> spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
>> none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
>> with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
>> information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
>> being so petty.
>>
>> the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
>> enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
>> i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
>> idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
>> flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
>> aren't there?
>>
>> by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
>> someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
>> sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
>> explain what you mean.
>
> Right,It would appear that I have spent far too much time off line ,as
> I don't appear to be keeping up with my critic's here.
> I would like to apologise about the spelling,caps locking,grammar,and
> punctuation too.I'm afraid I don't know what Idosycracies are,so I
> can't comment on them.
> >
>> > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
>> > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
>> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
>> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
>> > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
>> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> I also apolgies to you too.
> I had better explain the circumstances,then you might appreciate why my
> typing is so terrible,not to mention my spelling and all the rest of
> the mistakes that I seem to make that **** everyone off.
> I taught myself to write and read alongside my children.I was brought
> up in Africa in the bowels of a small coutry called Sierra Leone,where
> my parent's worked for a mining company.Unfortunately,my parent's
> didn't see the nessecity of teaching me to read & write as they didn't
> forsee the benenfit's of taking the trouble to.All you see here is
> what my own children have taught me.
> I used to feel ashamed of the fact,& even went to the extent of
> pretending that I could,but now that I am an old grumpy mummy,I see no
> point In carrying on this pretense any further.
> I would say that I have been reading & writing for some 2years now &It
> has opened up an entirely new world to me.Doing things such as writiing
> on here would have been a closed book a few short years ago.Being
> illiterate Is a terrible handicap & I wouldn't wish it on anyone.As you
> can see by your own comment's,people take it for granted that everyone
> does know better -but they don't.Being illiterate doesn't mean that you
> are stupid or unintelligent-It means that you are Ignorant!And how do I
> know this?I looked it up in the dictionary,because I am able to now.
> I also am very sorry that I might not be very good at grammer &
> punctuation either.To this very day I continue to learn new things on a
> daily basis.Take this posting for instance.I have been using a keyboard
> for around 6months now,and this is only possible because of my children
> teaching me that It doesn't matter how old you are, there are no rules
> that bind a person on how old they have to be before learning a new
> skill.
> When I was much younger, I was too embarresed to admit that I couldn't
> read or write.Everyone know's how to read & write,Don't they?
> No! We just assume they do,right?This is not a critical comment,but It
> might serve you well in the future not to assume that everyone know's
> what you do.You have no idea how many times I have to sit here and look
> up what some of the words mean that you post here,but you don't see me
> moaning that I don't understand what they mean,or the context or the
> phrasiology either...not to mention the abbreviations that you use!
> I take your comments to heart though & I will strive in the future to
> try and not make the same mistake's and to try harder with the
> paragraphs too.
>
> >Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
>> > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
>> > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
>> > anyting worth reading
> But I also took note of your foot note too.
>
> Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
>> > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> I will try not to be too long winded in the future & keep my comments
> to a minimum.I guess when you learn a new skill, you tend to be proud
> of it & overuse it?
>
> And as a footnote,Good for you Bookie.it must drive you round the bend
> having to try & not notice others mistake's,especially If you have to
> do It every day.It must be difficult?
> S.:o)Be Happy!
>

Sheelagh,

This is actually very well written message and a good explanation of a
problem many people face (and many others are unaware of). My difficulty is
with those who *do* know how to write well but who simply will not be
bothered to perform simple tasks such as using the shift key to capitalize
"I." This is something that I have noticed with computer usage in general.
Oddly, I did not see so much of it when we used typewriters. I have
students who hand in well-written papers (including exams written in class)
but who send completely illiterate-sounding emails when they correspond that
way. It's almost as if some people develop dual personalities, one for the
computer world and one for the rest of the world.

MaryL

December 28th 06, 03:48 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
> > > > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
> > > > is consistently used instead of "I."
> > > >
> > > > MaryL
> > >
> > > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
> > >
> > > Sherry
> >
> > and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
> > birth eh?
> >
> > jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
> > collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
> > spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
> > none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
> > with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
> > information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
> > being so petty.
> >
> > the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
> > enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
> > i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
> > idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
> > flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
> > aren't there?
> >
> > by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
> > someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
> > sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
> > explain what you mean.
>
> Right,It would appear that I have spent far too much time off line ,as
> I don't appear to be keeping up with my critic's here.
> I would like to apologise about the spelling,caps locking,grammar,and
> punctuation too.I'm afraid I don't know what Idosycracies are,so I
> can't comment on them.
> >
> > > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> I also apolgies to you too.
> I had better explain the circumstances,then you might appreciate why my
> typing is so terrible,not to mention my spelling and all the rest of
> the mistakes that I seem to make that **** everyone off.
> I taught myself to write and read alongside my children.I was brought
> up in Africa in the bowels of a small coutry called Sierra Leone,where
> my parent's worked for a mining company.Unfortunately,my parent's
> didn't see the nessecity of teaching me to read & write as they didn't
> forsee the benenfit's of taking the trouble to.All you see here is
> what my own children have taught me.
> I used to feel ashamed of the fact,& even went to the extent of
> pretending that I could,but now that I am an old grumpy mummy,I see no
> point In carrying on this pretense any further.
> I would say that I have been reading & writing for some 2years now &It
> has opened up an entirely new world to me.Doing things such as writiing
> on here would have been a closed book a few short years ago.Being
> illiterate Is a terrible handicap & I wouldn't wish it on anyone.As you
> can see by your own comment's,people take it for granted that everyone
> does know better -but they don't.Being illiterate doesn't mean that you
> are stupid or unintelligent-It means that you are Ignorant!And how do I
> know this?I looked it up in the dictionary,because I am able to now.
> I also am very sorry that I might not be very good at grammer &
> punctuation either.To this very day I continue to learn new things on a
> daily basis.Take this posting for instance.I have been using a keyboard
> for around 6months now,and this is only possible because of my children
> teaching me that It doesn't matter how old you are, there are no rules
> that bind a person on how old they have to be before learning a new
> skill.
> When I was much younger, I was too embarresed to admit that I couldn't
> read or write.Everyone know's how to read & write,Don't they?
> No! We just assume they do,right?This is not a critical comment,but It
> might serve you well in the future not to assume that everyone know's
> what you do.You have no idea how many times I have to sit here and look
> up what some of the words mean that you post here,but you don't see me
> moaning that I don't understand what they mean,or the context or the
> phrasiology either...not to mention the abbreviations that you use!
> I take your comments to heart though & I will strive in the future to
> try and not make the same mistake's and to try harder with the
> paragraphs too.
>
> >Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > > anyting worth reading
> But I also took note of your foot note too.
>
> Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> I will try not to be too long winded in the future & keep my comments
> to a minimum.I guess when you learn a new skill, you tend to be proud
> of it & overuse it?
> > S.:o)Be Happy!

Oh, ffft. I don't mean to be a pain in the ass either. Like I said, I
wasn't talking about spelling errors or typos. I don't mean to
criticize your abilities. It's the people who *do* have the ability,
and are just too lazy to capitalize or punctuate that make me crazy. We
used to have a poster whose entire posts looked like a giant run-on
sentence. It drove me nuts.
I worked print media my entire life. I would probably be a walking,
talking spelling flamer if I didn't rein myself in. LOL Don't take it
personally. :-)

Sherry

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 04:08 PM
bookie wrote:
> > I hope so.You wouldn't believe some of the e-mails that I have recieved
> > concerning what she will do to me If I go ahead and testify what I know
>
>
> hang on, is the woman herself sending you these emails?, then you must
> DEFINITELY go to the police, she is trying to interfere with the case,
> intimidation of a witness, totally out of order. please say you have
> kept the emails on record? they are evidence that she is trying to
> intimidate you and you can claim harrassment, this is outrageous.
>
> if you haven't kept them is there any way you can try to prise some
> more out of her? if you know what i mean.... easily done you know...

I hope that I can finalise this subject for the moment at least.
I have not contacted the other breeder who also got clobbered with an
entire cattery full of cat's with Ringworm,even though I was sorely
tempted.The only call I ever made was the intial one ,to enquire
whether she had encountered the same problem as I had.Our last
converstation was when she actually called me, to tell me that her her
whole cattery was infected & riddled with ringworm & she suggested that
It might be an Idea for us both to approach the Rspca regarding our
concern.This is exactly what we both did.

I believe that she also called the Gccf, to report a breeder in breach
of their rules.What happened as a consequence,I have no idea.(For our
American Friends,I believe that It is the equal to your Cat Fancy?)

Rest assured though, that I will most certainly not contact her further
at all ,until after it goes to court.As soon as this has happened,I
will let you all know .& also what the judge felt must happen from
there on too.I most certainly hope that It will go to Crown Court where
she will be heard by judge & Jury & sentenced by them,rather than a
majistrate's court, where the maximum penalty would be 12months in
prison.I also sincerely hope that she does not Plea Guilty either.This
would actually be in her best interest I believe.
Being heard in a majistrate's court, she would I assume get the maximum
penalty,which would be the entire 12months.

And Finally,
I have handed over the Disc contanting the e-mails that I received,to
the police who are dealing with it right now.I had to drive down into
town this morning ,which is why I have not been on line to enlighten my
critics as to why my postings are so random.The terrible
punctuation,spelling,and also my grammer ect too.
Personally,It doesn't bother me...Well, not anymore.I had to learn the
hard way & I am now actually proud of my acomplishment..now.

You were right Bookie, they do want my Pc so that they can establish
that they did in fact come from her,as well as the other two e-mails
that I emtioned to you..They have said that collect it in the next
7days or so, and also that It will be a seperate charge to the
impending hearing too.They need it to ensure that they were in fact
sent by her,& also by the third party too.This means computer sharing
between all 6 of us here.Great fun!Never mind,It is all in a good
cause.:o)
S.

Matthew
December 28th 06, 04:16 PM
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Matthew wrote:
>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >
>> > > wrote
>> >> <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
>> >> the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a
>> >> post
>> >> that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
>> >> really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
>> >> Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
>> >> *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
>> >> that much effort to punch a caps key.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Nicely said.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Most of us; as another pointed out, could just care less to waste them
>> time
>> to worry about dotting the i and crossing every t.
>>
>> As long as the point is made ;-) Sorry could not resist.
>
> Oh, come on Matthew. I thought you were old school. What happened to
> "anything worth doing, is worth doing right?" :-)
>
> Sherry
>

What is her name and I will show her how it is done old school he hehe

MaryL
December 28th 06, 04:33 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> bookie wrote:
>> > I hope so.You wouldn't believe some of the e-mails that I have recieved
>> > concerning what she will do to me If I go ahead and testify what I know
>>
>>
>> hang on, is the woman herself sending you these emails?, then you must
>> DEFINITELY go to the police, she is trying to interfere with the case,
>> intimidation of a witness, totally out of order. please say you have
>> kept the emails on record? they are evidence that she is trying to
>> intimidate you and you can claim harrassment, this is outrageous.
>>
>> if you haven't kept them is there any way you can try to prise some
>> more out of her? if you know what i mean.... easily done you know...
>
> I hope that I can finalise this subject for the moment at least.
> I have not contacted the other breeder who also got clobbered with an
> entire cattery full of cat's with Ringworm,even though I was sorely
> tempted.The only call I ever made was the intial one ,to enquire
> whether she had encountered the same problem as I had.Our last
> converstation was when she actually called me, to tell me that her her
> whole cattery was infected & riddled with ringworm & she suggested that
> It might be an Idea for us both to approach the Rspca regarding our
> concern.This is exactly what we both did.
>
> I believe that she also called the Gccf, to report a breeder in breach
> of their rules.What happened as a consequence,I have no idea.(For our
> American Friends,I believe that It is the equal to your Cat Fancy?)
>
> Rest assured though, that I will most certainly not contact her further
> at all ,until after it goes to court.As soon as this has happened,I
> will let you all know .& also what the judge felt must happen from
> there on too.I most certainly hope that It will go to Crown Court where
> she will be heard by judge & Jury & sentenced by them,rather than a
> majistrate's court, where the maximum penalty would be 12months in
> prison.I also sincerely hope that she does not Plea Guilty either.This
> would actually be in her best interest I believe.
> Being heard in a majistrate's court, she would I assume get the maximum
> penalty,which would be the entire 12months.
>
> And Finally,
> I have handed over the Disc contanting the e-mails that I received,to
> the police who are dealing with it right now.I had to drive down into
> town this morning ,which is why I have not been on line to enlighten my
> critics as to why my postings are so random.The terrible
> punctuation,spelling,and also my grammer ect too.
> Personally,It doesn't bother me...Well, not anymore.I had to learn the
> hard way & I am now actually proud of my acomplishment..now.
>
> You were right Bookie, they do want my Pc so that they can establish
> that they did in fact come from her,as well as the other two e-mails
> that I emtioned to you..They have said that collect it in the next
> 7days or so, and also that It will be a seperate charge to the
> impending hearing too.They need it to ensure that they were in fact
> sent by her,& also by the third party too.This means computer sharing
> between all 6 of us here.Great fun!Never mind,It is all in a good
> cause.:o)
> S.
>

Excellent! Thank you very much for the update.

MaryL

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 05:01 PM
> Oh, ffft. I don't mean to be a pain in the ass either. Like I said, I
> wasn't talking about spelling errors or typos. I don't mean to
> criticize your abilities. It's the people who *do* have the ability,
> and are just too lazy to capitalize or punctuate that make me crazy. We
> used to have a poster whose entire posts looked like a giant run-on
> sentence. It drove me nuts.
> I worked print media my entire life. I would probably be a walking,
> talking spelling flamer if I didn't rein myself in. LOL Don't take it
> personally. :-)
>
> Sherry
None taken at all:o)
I just thought It might help explain the reason why my postings might
be a bit random & imperfect.
I spent *years* hiding the fact, but one day my eldest daughter asked
me If I wanted to learn,& I think It was the question I had been
waiting for.She sat me down & started me off,& I have never looked back
since.Being a mother of 5children, didn't help matters @ that time
either.

Since then,I have never looked back.It opened a whole new world to me &
I love it.It is my ambition to one day take my Gcse's(I don't know what
you call it in the states-the exams that kids take in year 11 of
education?),then possibly a few A level's...& If I still have enough go
in me..To go on to do a degree in something.

The main thing that I have learnt,Is that you are never too old to
learn anything.
If any good has come from It, it is the fact that all of my kids have
done ever so well at school & all Intend to go to university as well.I
have one there already,& another one off next fall.The rest have at
least another year or two to go before they all go too.

Anyway, It is a good thing when people take you to task now and
again-It serves to remind you that there Is still plenty to learn;Or
you can never learn enough.
S.

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 05:22 PM
> Sheelagh,
>
> This is actually very well written message and a good explanation of a
> problem many people face (and many others are unaware of). My difficulty is
> with those who *do* know how to write well but who simply will not be
> bothered to perform simple tasks such as using the shift key to capitalize
> "I." This is something that I have noticed with computer usage in general.
> Oddly, I did not see so much of it when we used typewriters. I have
> students who hand in well-written papers (including exams written in class)
> but who send completely illiterate-sounding emails when they correspond that
> way. It's almost as if some people develop dual personalities, one for the
> computer world and one for the rest of the world.
>
> MaryL
Thank you!.I appreciate that comment.
I have to agree with you too regarding the computer age bit.One of my
son's, now 15, can present *anything* on a computer or a type
writer..but ask him to hand In a hand written document,& you will
receive an illegible piece of work.It Is a shame that kids are not
*forced* to write all of thier work at school.

In our Region of the Uk, The Government In thier Infinate
wisdom,decided to do a Pilot Sheme,called a challenge Group- where all
of the more intelligent kids,were issued with a lap top to use for all
of thier work.As a consequence of this, the kids never got any further
than year 6 In the Junior School with regard to writing free hand.
It Is a terrible shame, because now, they actaully have become
litterlay a real challenge for thier tutors, who need to ensure that
all of these children are actually ready to take all of thier exam's
this coming summer!
OT:Remember telling me about a particular nutricious food called
NutriCal?I have been searching for It on the Pc, but I can't find It
because I don't know who manufactures It-Do you know by any chance who
It Is?
S.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:46 PM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
...
> on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:42:12 GMT, "MaryL"
> -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:
>
>> The part about the cat being "big boned" really is funny, but I'm
>> sorry to hear about your daughter. She must be *very* ill (unless she
>> is very small) to be too weak to lift a cat. I hope she improves
>> rapidly!
>
> Thank you, Mary. This has been really rough on her, especially during the
> holiday vacation when she should be playing with her friends. :(
>

Hope she gets better soon.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:47 PM
"bookie" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>> > wrote
>> > <shrug> The occasional typo or spelling error doesn't bother me. It's
>> > the failure to capitalize, or punctuate, deliberately throughout a post
>> > that make it difficult to read. I'm not telling you how to post, I
>> > really don't care. You may have some very interesting things to say.
>> > Why screw it up with your presentation? Particularly since you seem to
>> > *know* how to write. You just don't want to. Cripes. It doesn't take
>> > that much effort to punch a caps key.
>> >
>>
>> Nicely said.
>
> do you know what time of the morning it is over here when most of us
> plucky brits tend to be conversing with you yanks? usually about 3 or
> 4am, so my ability to self regulate my typing has long since departed,
> especially since i am only up and out of bed in order to deal with a
> small cat who seesm to want to play 'attack the toes' or chase or
> whatever at that time.
>
> christs sake, give us a break
>

Would it kill you to use your ****ing caps key? You would have had to
use it TWICE above.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:49 PM
"addicted" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> Yes, I know I am a pain in the ass. Happy Christmas! Now you know
>> you are too!
>>
>> hahahahaha!
>
> bookie is a tidy little woman who hides her age well
> she can probably put on a cap and pass as a bloke (if she wanted to)
> she is attracted to males, but would settle for a clean woman
>
> that's not a put down, many ladies would settle for a clean woman
> oppossed to a harried "emotional dead-beat" male
>

Gotta love those make fantasies. Bet Bookie has a big strapping
good-looking piece of manhood over there.

Meanwhile, Bookie has a soul she just can't find her blinking
CAPS key. It was Sheelagh I was talking to originally, anyway.

I get to be a pain in the ass typing lamer sometimes if I want.

It's a free freaking freaknet.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:55 PM
"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
...
>
Sheelagh said:
>>
>> Right,It would appear that I have spent far too much time off line ,as
>> I don't appear to be keeping up with my critic's here.
>> I would like to apologise about the spelling,caps locking,grammar,and
>> punctuation too.I'm afraid I don't know what Idosycracies are,so I
>> can't comment on them.
>> >

Spaces after commas.

SPACES AFTER COMMAS.

cybercat
December 28th 06, 05:59 PM
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>

>> I will try not to be too long winded in the future & keep my comments
>> to a minimum.I guess when you learn a new skill, you tend to be proud
>> of it & overuse it?
>> > S.:o)Be Happy!
>
> Oh, ffft. I don't mean to be a pain in the ass either. Like I said, I
> wasn't talking about spelling errors or typos. I don't mean to
> criticize your abilities. It's the people who *do* have the ability,
> and are just too lazy to capitalize or punctuate that make me crazy. We
> used to have a poster whose entire posts looked like a giant run-on
> sentence. It drove me nuts.
> I worked print media my entire life. I would probably be a walking,
> talking spelling flamer if I didn't rein myself in. LOL Don't take it
> personally. :-)


I like longwinded. I also liked hearing Sheelagh's story. Sorry, Sheelagh,
if I was too bitchy. I'm pmsing, and I write for a living, meaning I am
stuck
on this miserable computer much more than I want to be, and rely upon
Usenet and other things for entertainment.

I like the content of your posts. I like longwinded. You should be proud
that you taught yourself and your children to read and write. I know you
know about capitalization. Lots of people are too lazy to hit their caps
key. Now just put some spaces after your punctuation and you're in
bidness.

Or, tell me to go **** myself.

I have told people this who picked on my posts.

In any case, none of my comments was meant to be taken personally.

I am sorry for any personal offense taken.

addicted
December 28th 06, 09:53 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> apologise

you mean apologize dear

>about the spelling,caps locking,grammar

you mean, grammer dear

<snip.. woo>

oh don't let nobody bother you, they're just initiating another cat
lover
if they didn't give 2 focks about you, they wouldn't even mention your
post

I TOLD YOU TO TURN THE CAP LOCK OFF, YOU WOULND'T TAKE A HINT!

now you pay the price

Lynne
December 28th 06, 09:59 PM
on Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:46:15 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> Hope she gets better soon.

Thank you. We spent the afternoon at the doctor. Another blood test and
big crocodile tears... She lost 2 lbs in 6 days, and she only weighs 64
lbs at age 11 (almost 12). I'm going nuts!

Thanks for the well wishes. She currently has 2 of 3 animals laying with
her. Naturally, Levi is on me. :)

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 10:25 PM
>
> I like longwinded. I also liked hearing Sheelagh's story. Sorry, Sheelagh,
> if I was too bitchy. I'm pmsing, and I write for a living, meaning I am
> stuck
> on this miserable computer much more than I want to be, and rely upon
> Usenet and other things for entertainment.
>
> I like the content of your posts. I like longwinded. You should be proud
> that you taught yourself and your children to read and write. I know you
> know about capitalization. Lots of people are too lazy to hit their caps
> key. Now just put some spaces after your punctuation and you're in
> bidness.
>
> Or, tell me to go **** myself.
>
> I have told people this who picked on my posts.
>
> In any case, none of my comments was meant to be taken personally.
>
> I am sorry for any personal offense taken.
Lol,
Absolutlely none taken at all.I am proud of myself now.It might have
taken me most of my life to ignore, but I am glad that I took the plung
now-Life Is far more Interseting & even more laugh's than there used to
be before I could.

Actually,It was the eldest one that taught me how to read & write.She
Is at University now.All I needed was that first push, the rest was
quite easy once I got going.Once she left for University,I had to go to
evening classes.Now, that was the daunting bit-Once I had been going a
couple of weeks,It got easier,because all of us were In the same boat &
had the same problem's. If anything,I regret that I didn't try sooner!

I can understand why It ****es you off so much though If you are faced
with It every day:o)
It took me a while to understand exactly what you meant by caps
lock(Duhhhh!)
I thought that you meant that I was writing everything In capital
letters.That Is why It has taken me so long to take the Hint!!

All I have to do now,Is work out what all everyone's abbreviation
stands for, then I will be able to see the whole picture.I have been
refering to something called urban dictionary on the net,but not all of
the abbreviations that I see on here are In there.Now that does make
life difficult,lol...I can remember seeing Ping once,& It didn't matter
where I looked, It wasn't there...I have found It now.It's just like
learning a completely new language all over,Isn't It?
Now put that kilfile away, you hear me?(ROFLOL :o)Hee, hee
S.

22brix
December 28th 06, 10:35 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> OT:Remember telling me about a particular nutricious food called
> NutriCal?I have been searching for It on the Pc, but I can't find It
> because I don't know who manufactures It-Do you know by any chance who
> It Is?
> S.
>

Hi Sheelagh,

If you type in Nutri-Cal, you'll find a number of places that sell it
on-line. It's not a food as such, it's a supplement that you give the kitty
to add more calories. My vet sells it and I've also seen it in pet food
stores (as well as on-line). Good luck!

Bonnie

Cheryl
December 28th 06, 10:37 PM
On Thu 28 Dec 2006 05:25:49p, sheelagh wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
ups.com>:

> I can understand why It ****es you off so much though If you are
> faced with It every day:o)
> It took me a while to understand exactly what you meant by caps
> lock(Duhhhh!)
> I thought that you meant that I was writing everything In
> capital letters.That Is why It has taken me so long to take the
> Hint!!

While everyone is educating you on how to write, I'd like to point
out that you don't have to capitalize every word that begins with
"i". I know some of the emphasis has been on capitalizing I. LOL

Good luck, and happy writings! :))

--
Cheryl

sheelagh
December 28th 06, 10:41 PM
addicted wrote:

> sheelagh wrote:
> > apologise
>
> you mean apologize dear
>
> >about the spelling,caps locking,grammar
>
> you mean, grammer dear
>
> <snip.. woo>
>
> oh don't let nobody bother you, they're just initiating another cat
> lover
> if they didn't give 2 focks about you, they wouldn't even mention your
> post
>
> I TOLD YOU TO TURN THE CAP LOCK OFF, YOU WOULND'T TAKE A HINT!
>
> now you pay the price
ROFLOL-Now,There has never a truer word spoken...You did warn me, & I
didn't understand what you were trying to tell me.I guess that leads to
the question.Am I deaf, stupid, or simply Ignorant.I think I will go
for Ignorant on this one.It makes me feel better about myself.
I think we spell a few words differently to you over there?This Is not
to say that you are wrong In this case, because you could be right.I
know that we spell grey like that,& you spell It gray?I think apologies
*might* be the same?I know that realise Is though<sheelagh brimms with
pride lol>You are spot on with grammar thought!!

Oh well you live and learn & I sure have learnt a lot today
Nice to see you on line again... & when can we expect a few photo's of
the girlies too PLEASE????????????????????????

I GOT MY BUTT KICKED GOOD & PROPER!I earned It this time.
Got to let my son on the Pc for a little while, but be back on after
him.
S.

milk bone
December 28th 06, 10:57 PM
cybercat wrote:

> Spaces after commas.
>
> SPACES AFTER COMMAS.

BOOKIE IS A SKOOL TEACHER

lmao

cyber, since you know so much about posting, why not demonstrate a good
post for the gals! WHATCHASAY?

cybercat
December 28th 06, 10:58 PM
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu 28 Dec 2006 05:25:49p, sheelagh wrote in
> rec.pets.cats.health+behav
> ups.com>:
>
>> I can understand why It ****es you off so much though If you are
>> faced with It every day:o)
>> It took me a while to understand exactly what you meant by caps
>> lock(Duhhhh!)
>> I thought that you meant that I was writing everything In
>> capital letters.That Is why It has taken me so long to take the
>> Hint!!
>
> While everyone is educating you on how to write, I'd like to point
> out that you don't have to capitalize every word that begins with
> "i". I know some of the emphasis has been on capitalizing I. LOL
>
> Good luck, and happy writings! :))
>
Bless Sheelagh's heart. She is officially out of my killfile.

Thank you, Sheelagh, for humoring me. I do like to read your
posts, even when I am being a pain in the ass. ;)

milk bone
December 28th 06, 11:01 PM
sheelagh wrote:

> Is caps locking in capital letters?

you really didn't know?

but. look.. don't fall for it.. soon as you "get with the program",
they are going to change up on you and post ugly posts... bad gramer
and ivery thang

CAP AWAY DEAR, STAY ONE STEP AHEAD OF THEM

IT ANNOYS THEM BECAUSE THEY COME HERE TO UNWIND AND IT LOOKS LIKE IM
YELLING WHEN IM NOT

USE CAPITAL LETTERS SPARINGLY

damn, i never knew it bothered people.. this gives me an idea, maaaa
haaa haa

tony blair, tony blair

listen, are you eligible to run for queen of england? heee

are you?

Im glad your tax dollars bought 2500 F-35 Lightening II warcrafts from
our us based f-35 supplier :p

bookie
December 28th 06, 11:07 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Same here. Ironically, it is also difficult to read messages that lack at
> > > > least a modicum of correct capitalization -- for example, messages where "i"
> > > > is consistently used instead of "I."
> > > >
> > > > MaryL
> > >
> > > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
> > >
> > > Sherry
> >
> > and anyone who can't spell 'anything' should have been strangled at
> > birth eh?
> >
> > jesus ladies, will you lot just unclench your buttocks and let the
> > collective rod fall out? I could spend all day ripping apart the
> > spelling and grammar of other people's postings but I don't because (a)
> > none of us are perfect are we? and (b) some of us are more concerned
> > with reading the actual content of a posting and the important
> > information it is supposed to be conveying to us so I see no point it
> > being so petty.
> >
> > the amount of crap grammar and punctuation I see here would normally be
> > enough to make me weep if i saw it in one of my pupils books, but when
> > i come on here I am off-duty so to speak and so I let the
> > idiosyncracies of other people's typing (or lack of typing in my case)
> > flow over me. There really are more importnat things to worry about
> > aren't there?
> >
> > by the way, small question; how is it 'inconsiderate of the reader' if
> > someone writing a posting does not know how to construct a proper
> > sentence? if you read the above that is exactly what you put, so please
> > explain what you mean.
>
> Right,It would appear that I have spent far too much time off line ,as
> I don't appear to be keeping up with my critic's here.
> I would like to apologise about the spelling,caps locking,grammar,and
> punctuation too.I'm afraid I don't know what Idosycracies are,so I
> can't comment on them.
> >
> > > I agree. Any post without capitalization, or punctuation, take effort
> > > to read for content. Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > > anyting worth reading. Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> I also apolgies to you too.
> I had better explain the circumstances,then you might appreciate why my
> typing is so terrible,not to mention my spelling and all the rest of
> the mistakes that I seem to make that **** everyone off.
> I taught myself to write and read alongside my children.I was brought
> up in Africa in the bowels of a small coutry called Sierra Leone,where
> my parent's worked for a mining company.Unfortunately,my parent's
> didn't see the nessecity of teaching me to read & write as they didn't
> forsee the benenfit's of taking the trouble to.All you see here is
> what my own children have taught me.
> I used to feel ashamed of the fact,& even went to the extent of
> pretending that I could,but now that I am an old grumpy mummy,I see no
> point In carrying on this pretense any further.
> I would say that I have been reading & writing for some 2years now &It
> has opened up an entirely new world to me.Doing things such as writiing
> on here would have been a closed book a few short years ago.Being
> illiterate Is a terrible handicap & I wouldn't wish it on anyone.As you
> can see by your own comment's,people take it for granted that everyone
> does know better -but they don't.Being illiterate doesn't mean that you
> are stupid or unintelligent-It means that you are Ignorant!And how do I
> know this?I looked it up in the dictionary,because I am able to now.
> I also am very sorry that I might not be very good at grammer &
> punctuation either.To this very day I continue to learn new things on a
> daily basis.Take this posting for instance.I have been using a keyboard
> for around 6months now,and this is only possible because of my children
> teaching me that It doesn't matter how old you are, there are no rules
> that bind a person on how old they have to be before learning a new
> skill.
> When I was much younger, I was too embarresed to admit that I couldn't
> read or write.Everyone know's how to read & write,Don't they?
> No! We just assume they do,right?This is not a critical comment,but It
> might serve you well in the future not to assume that everyone know's
> what you do.You have no idea how many times I have to sit here and look
> up what some of the words mean that you post here,but you don't see me
> moaning that I don't understand what they mean,or the context or the
> phrasiology either...not to mention the abbreviations that you use!
> I take your comments to heart though & I will strive in the future to
> try and not make the same mistake's and to try harder with the
> paragraphs too.
>
> >Unless it's a poster I'm familiar with, I do tend
> > > to skip over them entirely. I figure anyone who doesn't bother, or
> > > doesn't *know* how to construct a sentence probably isn't saying
> > > anyting worth reading
> But I also took note of your foot note too.
>
> Wrong assumption, probably; but it *is*
> > > inconsiderate of the reader, IMO.
>
> I will try not to be too long winded in the future & keep my comments
> to a minimum.I guess when you learn a new skill, you tend to be proud
> of it & overuse it?
>
> And as a footnote,Good for you Bookie.it must drive you round the bend
> having to try & not notice others mistake's,especially If you have to
> do It every day.It must be difficult?
> S.:o)Be Happy!

yeah so **** off you yankee ******s! this woman was not even able to
read or write not so long ago so why can't you uptight bunch just give
her a bloody break! I could easily have ripped apart most of the above
mosts from pretty much all of you for various crimes against SPAG
(Spelling, Punctuation And Grammar by the way, now part of what I have
to look out for when marking work and go towards the grade i award) but
quite frankly I can't be arsed because i am not that petty and it is
not my place to do so here.

i make the effort to read all posts in a thread I am interested in
regardless of how annoying i find the writer's style, lack of
structure, grammar, ability to spell etc etc etc, it is something
called tolerance, do none of you have any? If someone chooses not to
read my posts because they have decided to take exception to my writing
style then i just view it as their loss, they lose out on reading my
wonderful insights into feline health and behaviour, sod 'em

Anyway my caps key doesn't work very well and i have better things to
spend my money on right now than new keyboard

milk bone
December 28th 06, 11:08 PM
sheelagh wrote:

> > now you pay the price
> ROFLOL-Now,

HEY HOW YOU DOING?

<when i talk my mouth covers my face>

HEY HOW YOU DOING? WAH WAH WAH

<bending over talking with my buttcheeks>

HEY!

HOW MUCH DID CHRISTMAS COST?

bookie
December 28th 06, 11:26 PM
sheelagh wrote:

>
> You were right Bookie, they do want my Pc so that they can establish
> that they did in fact come from her,as well as the other two e-mails
> that I emtioned to you..They have said that collect it in the next
> 7days or so, and also that It will be a seperate charge to the
> impending hearing too.They need it to ensure that they were in fact
> sent by her,& also by the third party too.This means computer sharing
> between all 6 of us here.Great fun!Never mind,It is all in a good
> cause.:o)
> S.

I didn't think they would take your PC away, just take away the disc
with them on, or the print outs, particularly if you are using a
hotmail account (which can usually be accessed anywhere), sorry about
that. Still it is all for a good reason and it is great that they are
going to act on her contact with you and her threats, how can i say
this without being smug but "I told you so!!" Many people do very
stupid things when they feel under threat and they also think they can
get away with all sorts too because in most cases they DO get away with
it as the people they are threatening (like yourself) do not realise
that what they are up to is illegal or whatever, hence it all goes
unreported. Or those who are threatened actually believe what the
person making the threats has said and backs down, without realising
you can get police protection sometimes if you are really going to be
in danger.

it may be a separate charge and be tried separately but it will be
taken into account when the initial case for animla cruelty comes up. I
hope they throw the bloody book at her.

still, it could be worse; she could be posting to a newsgroup and
typing without proper use of her caps key, a hanging offence if ever i
heard of one.

B

MaryL
December 28th 06, 11:35 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ps.com...
>

> OT:Remember telling me about a particular nutricious food called
> NutriCal?I have been searching for It on the Pc, but I can't find It
> because I don't know who manufactures It-Do you know by any chance who
> It Is?
> S.
>

It is produced by EVSCO. Here are a couple of links (but you will find many
others if you type "NutriCal" or "Nutri-Cal" -- without the quotation
marks -- in the address bar).
http://www.bullwrinkle.com/index.html?ShoppingPages/nutrical_nutri-cal.htm~indexmain
http://www.biovets.com/nutrical_4_25_2046_prd1.htm
Nutri-Cal is a high calorie food supplement. It is also available in many
veterinary clinics in the US, so you may want to ask your vet about it.

MaryL

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 01:23 AM
> Sheelagh said:
> >>
> >> Right,It would appear that I have spent far too much time off line ,as
> >> I don't appear to be keeping up with my critic's here.
> >> I would like to apologise about the spelling,caps locking,grammar,and
> >> punctuation too.I'm afraid I don't know what Idosycracies are,so I
> >> can't comment on them.
> >> >
>
> Spaces after commas.
>
> SPACES AFTER COMMAS.
Ok, Ok, I hear you.......Space after Commas.If you notice anything
else, please feel free to tell me!!
S:o)

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 02:02 AM
> >
>
> > OT:Remember telling me about a particular nutricious food called
> > NutriCal?I have been searching for It on the Pc, but I can't find It
> > because I don't know who manufactures It-Do you know by any chance who
> > It Is?
> > S.

>
> It is produced by EVSCO. Here are a couple of links (but you will find many
> others if you type "NutriCal" or "Nutri-Cal" -- without the quotation
> marks -- in the address bar).
> http://www.bullwrinkle.com/index.html?ShoppingPages/nutrical_nutri-cal.htm~indexmain
> http://www.biovets.com/nutrical_4_25_2046_prd1.htm
> Nutri-Cal is a high calorie food supplement. It is also available in many
> veterinary clinics in the US, so you may want to ask your vet about it.
>
> MaryL

Thanks for that one to both Bonnie and your self too.I have also
ordered some frontline as well as the NutriCal because, even with the
shipping international fee, It is far cheaper to buy from where you
live than It Is In the Uk. To buy just the Frontline would have cost me
the equivilant of around $130.I can't find the NutriCal anywhere In the
Uk so I ordered It whilst I was on site.It has got to be worth a go.

I also took Tiggs to the vet today with her sample for the vet to
analyse, &It would seem that she has tapeworm...Yuk!!Now I have to
treat all of the Moggies for It which Is also going to cost me another
pretty penny I would assume. I didn't bother asking how much;I will
find out how much all too soon when she bill's me tomorrow:( I suppose
It's my own fault for not spotting It sooner.Thanks for the advice,If I
hadn't got It this might have gone on a while longer & she would have
eaten me out of house and home as well. Funny how none of the other
cats seem to be showing any symptoms though?At least we got to the the
bottom of the problem that the posting was originally all about :o)
S.

Lynne
December 29th 06, 02:10 AM
on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:02:10 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> I also took Tiggs to the vet today with her sample for the vet to
> analyse, &It would seem that she has tapeworm...Yuk!!Now I have to
> treat all of the Moggies for It which Is also going to cost me another
> pretty penny I would assume

I'm glad you got her diagnosed! I don't think you need to treat all the
other cats, too, though. Tapeworm is not transmitted between cats like
other parasites can be. Tapeworm larvae are ingested when cats eat fleas.
This doesn't mean your other cats don't have it, but I would look for
symptoms before treating each and every one of them. Check for tiny flecks
of rice looking segments around their anuses, or in very fresh stool (as in
just came out fresh).

Of course talk to your vet for the definitive course of action.

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

MaryL
December 29th 06, 02:16 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>> >
>>
>> > OT:Remember telling me about a particular nutricious food called
>> > NutriCal?I have been searching for It on the Pc, but I can't find It
>> > because I don't know who manufactures It-Do you know by any chance who
>> > It Is?
>> > S.
>
>>
>> It is produced by EVSCO. Here are a couple of links (but you will find
>> many
>> others if you type "NutriCal" or "Nutri-Cal" -- without the quotation
>> marks -- in the address bar).
>> http://www.bullwrinkle.com/index.html?ShoppingPages/nutrical_nutri-cal.htm~indexmain
>> http://www.biovets.com/nutrical_4_25_2046_prd1.htm
>> Nutri-Cal is a high calorie food supplement. It is also available in
>> many
>> veterinary clinics in the US, so you may want to ask your vet about it.
>>
>> MaryL
>
> Thanks for that one to both Bonnie and your self too.I have also
> ordered some frontline as well as the NutriCal because, even with the
> shipping international fee, It is far cheaper to buy from where you
> live than It Is In the Uk. To buy just the Frontline would have cost me
> the equivilant of around $130.I can't find the NutriCal anywhere In the
> Uk so I ordered It whilst I was on site.It has got to be worth a go.
>
> I also took Tiggs to the vet today with her sample for the vet to
> analyse, &It would seem that she has tapeworm...Yuk!!Now I have to
> treat all of the Moggies for It which Is also going to cost me another
> pretty penny I would assume. I didn't bother asking how much;I will
> find out how much all too soon when she bill's me tomorrow:( I suppose
> It's my own fault for not spotting It sooner.Thanks for the advice,If I
> hadn't got It this might have gone on a while longer & she would have
> eaten me out of house and home as well. Funny how none of the other
> cats seem to be showing any symptoms though?At least we got to the the
> bottom of the problem that the posting was originally all about :o)
> S.
>

This is actually very good news because it is easy to treat for tapeworm.
Think how much worse it would have been if you had learned that Tiggs had
some kind of incurable disease! Also, I know that you already picked up
worm medication from your vet. It really is not unusual to have to treat
more than once. Still more good news...at leat in the US, the medication is
not expensive.

You might want to look for other signs of fleas. That is how tapeworms are
transmitted. Of course, you already said that you have ordered Frontline.
That is good defense!

MaryL

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 02:16 AM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > > now you pay the price
> > ROFLOL-Now,

Not quite so much-But then again I was laughing at myself this time,
rather than you for a change :o)
> HEY HOW YOU DOING?

Not too bad presently.Hold on though,I haven't read them all yet, I
might find one or two that might get up my snout..

> <when i talk my mouth covers my face>

> HEY HOW YOU DOING? WAH WAH WAH

Much better now that I have sent all of my jamming sons upstairs with
thier electric guitars, bass's & thier friend who brought his bloody
drum kit round with him too.Jesus wept, I can't hear myself think
even!!Next time they decide to have a session, someone else can have
them over at thier house Instead....

> <bending over talking with my buttcheeks>
Figures, Lol :o)

> HEY!
Yup?

> HOW MUCH DID CHRISTMAS COST?

I dare not add It all up..It might frighten me too much.No, Lets change
that one to I *know* It will frighten me too much...
S.

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 02:27 AM
Lynne wrote:
> on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:02:10 GMT, "sheelagh"
> > wrote:
>
> > I also took Tiggs to the vet today with her sample for the vet to
> > analyse, &It would seem that she has tapeworm...Yuk!!Now I have to
> > treat all of the Moggies for It which Is also going to cost me another
> > pretty penny I would assume
>
> I'm glad you got her diagnosed! I don't think you need to treat all the
> other cats, too, though. Tapeworm is not transmitted between cats like
> other parasites can be. Tapeworm larvae are ingested when cats eat fleas.
> This doesn't mean your other cats don't have it, but I would look for
> symptoms before treating each and every one of them. Check for tiny flecks
> of rice looking segments around their anuses, or in very fresh stool (as in
> just came out fresh).
>
> Of course talk to your vet for the definitive course of action.
>
> --
> Lynne
Oh boy, I hate this tape worm bit...I am a bit squeamish about
riffeling through thier fresh left overs, but It needs doing, so I
will.
Actually, It was the vet that told me that I needed to treat them all
as a job lot?
Tiggs did have a few fleas when we brought her home, so I am assuming
that Is where she picked up the tapeworm too?

It Is entirely possible that all of the rest of the cats might have
got a few fleas from Ringo, because he was riddled with them when he
sauntered into the house & made himself at home.I did treat them all
around the end of November, all at the same time.Whilst I was going
through Biffy earlier though, I did happen to notice that he had a
couple of uninvited guest on him. Maybe she Is right, Perhaps It would
be easier to do them all?
S.

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 02:38 AM
> This is actually very good news because it is easy to treat for tapeworm.
> Think how much worse it would have been if you had learned that Tiggs had
> some kind of incurable disease! Also, I know that you already picked up
> worm medication from your vet. It really is not unusual to have to treat
> more than once. Still more good news...at leat in the US, the medication is
> not expensive.
>
> You might want to look for other signs of fleas. That is how tapeworms are
> transmitted. Of course, you already said that you have ordered Frontline.
> That is good defense!
>
> MaryL
Yes, It Is far better news than I thought It possibly might be, so you
are right there.I had visions and horrible thoughts like you said,
something totally untreatable, which really would have broken my heart.
I was dreading bad news about her. Tiggs Is a very unassming cat, but
she has made me fall head over heels In love with her despite me having
to go and find her for cuddles.
She Is still a very frightened puss cat & won't come down off some of
her perches, until I go & find her, then bring her into the living room
to sit on my lap. She will stay there and allow me to pet her, but them
moment I stand up again, she Is off looking for another perch off the
ground where she can observe, but not be included by the other cats,
who are far more extrovert than she Is.
I can only hope that this behaviour will Improve given time?
S.

22brix
December 29th 06, 02:55 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I also took Tiggs to the vet today with her sample for the vet to
> analyse, &It would seem that she has tapeworm...Yuk!!Now I have to
> treat all of the Moggies for It which Is also going to cost me another
> pretty penny I would assume. I didn't bother asking how much;I will
> find out how much all too soon when she bill's me tomorrow:( I suppose
> It's my own fault for not spotting It sooner.Thanks for the advice,If I
> hadn't got It this might have gone on a while longer & she would have
> eaten me out of house and home as well. Funny how none of the other
> cats seem to be showing any symptoms though?At least we got to the the
> bottom of the problem that the posting was originally all about :o)
> S.
>

So glad you got a diagnosis and a "good" one at that! People have used
tapeworms as diet aids (yuk!) in the past. Just the thought affects the
appetite! It's very treatable and doesn't always cause a lot of symptoms.
If one of your cats brought in fleas it's a good bet all your cats have been
exposed. As MaryL said in another post it's not very expensive in the
US--hopefully that's the case in the UK as well. Maybe ask for a volume
discount!! It can't hurt!

Good luck--you're a great cat mom.

Bonnie

Lynne
December 29th 06, 02:58 AM
on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:27:16 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> Oh boy, I hate this tape worm bit...I am a bit squeamish about
> riffeling through thier fresh left overs, but It needs doing, so I
> will.
> Actually, It was the vet that told me that I needed to treat them all
> as a job lot?
> Tiggs did have a few fleas when we brought her home, so I am assuming
> that Is where she picked up the tapeworm too?
>
> It Is entirely possible that all of the rest of the cats might have
> got a few fleas from Ringo, because he was riddled with them when he
> sauntered into the house & made himself at home.I did treat them all
> around the end of November, all at the same time.Whilst I was going
> through Biffy earlier though, I did happen to notice that he had a
> couple of uninvited guest on him. Maybe she Is right, Perhaps It would
> be easier to do them all?

The tapeworm sections are generally easily viewable on the ends of the
poo or stuck to the anus. OTOH, if your vet recommended treating them
all, please follow her advice. Also, I believe you need to repeat the
treatment in a month, but again please check with your vet.

If I was a cat in the UK, I'd want to one of yours. :)

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

December 29th 06, 03:29 AM
Lynne wrote:
> on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 02:02:10 GMT, "sheelagh"
> > wrote:
>
> > I also took Tiggs to the vet today with her sample for the vet to
> > analyse, &It would seem that she has tapeworm...Yuk!!Now I have to
> > treat all of the Moggies for It which Is also going to cost me another
> > pretty penny I would assume
>
> I'm glad you got her diagnosed! I don't think you need to treat all the
> other cats, too, though. Tapeworm is not transmitted between cats like
> other parasites can be. Tapeworm larvae are ingested when cats eat fleas.
> This doesn't mean your other cats don't have it, but I would look for
> symptoms before treating each and every one of them. Check for tiny flecks
> of rice looking segments around their anuses, or in very fresh stool (as in
> just came out fresh).
>
> Of course talk to your vet for the definitive course of action.
>
> --
> Lynne

Lynn, it was always my understanding that tapeworms usually do pass to
the other cats in the household--from cats using a common litterbox,
getting larvae or segments or whatever on their paws, then ingesting
them when grooming. Is that true, do you know? Can the tapeworm be
passed to another cat by ingesting segments?

Sherry

Lynne
December 29th 06, 03:41 AM
on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 03:29:17 GMT, wrote:

> Lynn, it was always my understanding that tapeworms usually do pass to
> the other cats in the household--from cats using a common litterbox,
> getting larvae or segments or whatever on their paws, then ingesting
> them when grooming. Is that true, do you know? Can the tapeworm be
> passed to another cat by ingesting segments?

Tapeworm eggs need a host in order to become infective larvae. Hosts for
cats are fleas and can also be small animals such as rats or mice. The cat
would have to eat the intestines of these animals in order to contract
tapeworm.

Each segment of a tapeworm can lay eggs wherever they drop (such as in the
home). Then the flea larvae or rodents eat these eggs and once the cat
eats the flea (or whatever), the cycle begins again. So while there is no
direct cat to cat transmission, certainly having one cat with tapeworm
increases the risk to other animals in the home--especially if fleas or
rodents are also present to act as hosts.

--
Lynne

http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 03:47 AM
>
> yeah so **** off you yankee ******s! this woman was not even able to
> read or write not so long ago so why can't you uptight bunch just give
> her a bloody break! I could easily have ripped apart most of the above
> mosts from pretty much all of you for various crimes against SPAG
> (Spelling, Punctuation And Grammar by the way, now part of what I have
> to look out for when marking work and go towards the grade i award) but
> quite frankly I can't be arsed because i am not that petty and it is
> not my place to do so here.

Oh Bookie,...I think you have to be English to appreciate how funny
that bit of post sounded.There Is nothing like a bloody good wind up to
set someone off, Is there?You sound so similar to how how my mind works
that It Is almost comical..I had such a good giggle at this one, that
not even tena lady would have helped out;always ultra thick might have
( For the benefit of our American friends, I am reffering to a brand of
sanitary towel that helps out with incontinent women*for that always
fresh feeling)*, lol.The stiff upper lip definately comes into this one
I might add too...& just for the knowing, Yes I did make It to the Loo
In time not to wet myself over the hilarity of It all,Lmao :o)
Thanks for standing up for me though, I certainly appreciatted the
sentiment there( & the intolerance too).There Is nothing on earth like
an English lady to tell It how It Is If someone does happen to set you
off!!

We are all guilty of It occasionally.I can remember a time quite
recently when I got my own knickers In a twist when big bad B set me
off one day..Boy Oh Boy did I rant that day, & he didn't deserve It
really...I was In such a stomp @ the time that It just fell out of my
mouth-Or should I say my fingers?In fact, now that I look back at It, I
can remember thinking that I couldn't understnad a bloody word that B
was talking about, which was another bloody good reason that I had such
a vent session...So It would be a bit hypocritical of me to say that I
am not guilty of exactly the same intolerance now, wouldn't It?
Mind you, I have to point out, that you American ladies can give as
good as you get too, when you put your minds to it.I think that we are
all guilty of It at one time or another- I know that I certainly am!!

> i make the effort to read all posts in a thread I am interested in
> regardless of how annoying i find the writer's style, lack of
> structure, grammar, ability to spell etc etc etc, it is something
> called tolerance, do none of you have any? If someone chooses not to
> read my posts because they have decided to take exception to my writing
> style then i just view it as their loss, they lose out on reading my
> wonderful insights into feline health and behaviour, sod 'em

I think that we all get carried away now and again, but the *your
loss*, Is not lost on me either In this instance.I am far too
nosey,Interseted & opinionated to miss out on anything, so I do tend to
at least try & make head or tail out of what everyone posts, If I am
honest about It. I also laughed at this bit too. It Is nice to have
someone to share your triumphs with, So when you hear someone
critisising your style of expression, It Is a bit of a kill~Joy, Isn't
It? I used to hate having to admit that I couldn't write, but now I see
It as a triumph...So *everyone's* posting's are of Interesting to me,
& I am hardly In any position to crow about other peoples failing's
with regard to Spag...even spag Is a new one to me,lol!!When I read
what you posted, the word **** came to mind.Over here It Is another
term for Idiot, but after looking that one up too, I see that It
actually means a pregnant fish-Funny how the english languge can be
miss interpritated, Isn't It?

> Anyway my caps key doesn't work very well and i have better things to
> spend my money on right now than new keyboard.

I know that this Is not the point, but If you try Asda, you can get one
there for under a 5er.I think this one was 4.98.Now that I have
shelled out on one, I suppose I had better put It to good use,eh?I know
that no one Intended any offense at all, & none was taken
either.Something gets up everyones snout now and again, so now that I
know I was driving everyone up the wall, I don't mind using It
properly.It Is all good practise too :o)
S.

milk bone
December 29th 06, 04:03 AM
bookie wrote:
> still, it could be worse; she could be posting to a newsgroup and
> typing without proper use of her caps key, a hanging offence if ever i
> heard of one.
>
> B

the damn nerve of somebody to say something about sheelaghs caps
lol

are you shocked? are you surprised?

what did you think this place was? buger king? have it your way? lmao

you think you no somebody then boom! they turn on you

you come to find out, you didn't know jack schitt, (that's my
attorney)
Jack ****t.

bookie is a mans name

milk bone
December 29th 06, 04:09 AM
sheelagh wrote:
<playing with bookie>

have another cup of coffe and another slice of pie?

and didn't you just save a cat?
uh?

yes you did, I don't remember anyone bitching about how to cut the
collar loose
now did we?

i dont remember anyone bitching about how dull the scissors were

what a pity

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 04:38 AM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > Is caps locking in capital letters?

> you really didn't know?

I *really didn't know*...I think It Is called Ignorance Barry.It Isn't
catching,Honestly,lol

> but. look.. don't fall for it.. soon as you "get with the program",
> they are going to change up on you and post ugly posts... bad gramer
> and ivery thang

I know, I know...I am bound to do something offensive without even
trying.I have a certain flair for It,lol!!

> CAP AWAY DEAR, STAY ONE STEP AHEAD OF THEM

Tee Hee:o)

> IT ANNOYS THEM BECAUSE THEY COME HERE TO UNWIND AND IT LOOKS LIKE IM
> YELLING WHEN IM NOT

I even know that one now too, Cybercat told me about It

> USE CAPITAL LETTERS SPARINGLY

I will try to remember that one In the future too

> damn, i never knew it bothered people.. this gives me an idea, maaaa
> haaa haa

Resist, Resist, I know what Is coming, I can feel It In my
water's....Don't be naughty again..You will only get told off for It. I
know that you love that too, but you must try as hard as I am;If I have
to, then so do you too...

> tony blair, tony blair

Tosser!!If you think that I am stupid, you should meet him.He Is the
only Prick that I know without a sharp point.But If you think about It,
he doesn't care what happens next..he has made his fortune & has no
Intention of standing again for Prime minister, so he doesn't care
about the foul- up's that he has left for the next poor Idiot that puts
the thinking cap on, does he? I can't believe he took us into Iraq on
this axis of eivil thing.Our pensioner's can't afford to put their
fires on this winter because he can't afford to give them a pay rise..&
why? All because he has sent half of the army out there to fight a war
to play with the toys he bought from you.Gas prices have tripled, but
the pensioners who have worked all of their lives to ensure that he has
the money to go and play war don't get anything out of the deal...It
doesn't seem all that fair to me.Nevertheless,If a plane had been
ploughed into the side of the houses of parliament, possibly we would
feel differently about It too!!

> listen, are you eligible to run for queen of england? heee

Nah, I believe that one Is a herditory job...& I wouldn't want the
resposibility either.I would be sure to foul It up, I assure you...My
mouth Is too big!! Anyway, she Is doing a brilliant job of It
already.For an 80 year old woman, I think she Is doing fine, she
doesn't need my help.
> are you?

No way!!!

Anyway, When Is your Mr Bush going to recognise that there *Is* this
teeny weeny little Issue of a thing that the rest of the entire known
world know about, called Global Bloody warming??????When the damed Poor
Polar Bear's come calling at his tiny pad of a place In texas?How many
Limosines(I know I can't spell It, no need to point It out
thanks-another bloody good reason that I would be no good as a
queen-Anyway, I don't have the right accent either.), does Mr Bush have
exactly?all those gas guzzeling cars, what a bloody waste.He should be
made to drive his own ford escort, I think.

> Im glad your tax dollars bought 2500 F-35 Lightening II warcrafts from
> our us based f-35 supplier :p
Yes, I bet you are...If It were up to me,I would send them back so that
Mr Blair could afford to buy our troops bloody body armour,Instead of
us keep having to send poor young lads home in boxes.I don't know If
you get Sky news, or If you even watch It?If you do, then you will be
aware that recently, there was an Inquest into the reason why that
keeps happening..They had to hand It over to other troops who didn't
have any, & as a consequence, they got killed by roadside ambush...Tell
you what, even better..Why don't we just send him for a tour of duty
instead and make him share his too.Now that would suit me fine!!I would
however, like to note, that the only reason I am pleased for you, Is
because of the jobs It might have created for your unemployed.Tell me
something, doesn't It make you all sick too?
Look at what you did? You set me off on angry mode, but that was why
you asked, wasn't It?<sheelagh smiles to herself in amusement>
It Is my turn now.When can we see the kitty's PLEASE?
S.:o)

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 04:58 AM
bookie wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> >
> > You were right Bookie, they do want my Pc so that they can establish
> > that they did in fact come from her,as well as the other two e-mails
> > that I emtioned to you..They have said that collect it in the next
> > 7days or so, and also that It will be a seperate charge to the
> > impending hearing too.They need it to ensure that they were in fact
> > sent by her,& also by the third party too.This means computer sharing
> > between all 6 of us here.Great fun!Never mind,It is all in a good
> > cause.:o)
> > S.
>
> I didn't think they would take your PC away, just take away the disc
> with them on, or the print outs, particularly if you are using a
> hotmail account (which can usually be accessed anywhere), sorry about
> that. Still it is all for a good reason and it is great that they are
> going to act on her contact with you and her threats, how can i say
> this without being smug but "I told you so!!" Many people do very
> stupid things when they feel under threat and they also think they can
> get away with all sorts too because in most cases they DO get away with
> it as the people they are threatening (like yourself) do not realise
> that what they are up to is illegal or whatever, hence it all goes
> unreported. Or those who are threatened actually believe what the
> person making the threats has said and backs down, without realising
> you can get police protection sometimes if you are really going to be
> in danger.
>
> it may be a separate charge and be tried separately but it will be
> taken into account when the initial case for animla cruelty comes up. I
> hope they throw the bloody book at her.
>
> still, it could be worse; she could be posting to a newsgroup and
> typing without proper use of her caps key, a hanging offence if ever i
> heard of one.
>
> B
It would be a huge mercy If they don't.I wonder what he meant then,
when he said that they would come out In the next 7days to ensure that
they did In fact arrive at this Pc?I am using hotmail, so maybe you are
more right than I understand.I have to say that I am not at all good
with this Pc malarky. I have only just worked out that It does more
than cost me money for the kids to hog It all day, which Is why I end
up using It at night!

You have every right to be smug too. I have to be honest, her threats
are rather like water off a ducks back, but If It is taken In to
account with this court hearing, then all the better.I can't wait for
her to roasted like a big fat chestnut, she deserves It for treating
people like Idiots, but worse, treating the poor cats with no more
Interest than a passing fancy & a thought on how to capitalise on the
money that she made when selling them knowingly to be sick & In great
need of care and attention. I could forgive all of the rest of It, but
not that one.Silly cow-She deserves It!!She was probably too thick to
realise that her e-mails might just have a consequence when she sent
them.As for the coercion, Well...It must be a very missguided soul.****
comes to mind!
S.:o)

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 05:17 AM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
> <playing with bookie>
Now now, don't be naughty,You are too clever to think I will fall for
this one,arn't you?

> have another cup of coffe and another slice of pie?

Please tell me that It is not Crow Pie on the menu again?
Anyway,leave Bookie alone, she Is only doing the same as you or I do,
expressing her opinion.I happen to like It personaly, & I even like
yours too.Once I got past the I am going to bait you bit, I figured
that you wern't that bad after all.Don't forget that you probably don't
see the funny side to her wit which Is quite hiarious when you get In
to It...like the other night when *we*, were discussing Jack Ass...well
you both were, I was just watching the game at the time....

> and didn't you just save a cat?
> uh?
Not today.I haven't had any cause to, which Is actually just as well
because the Inn Is full tonight to brimming now that we have Lucy(fur)
In the spare cat run-The one that had a collar growing into her
throat..I like her, but she keeps telling me that It certainly Isn't
mutual...It Is a real pity actually.I think once spayed, I am going to
have to let her loose again after she recovers.I don't know what else I
can do....

> yes you did, I don't remember anyone bitching about how to cut the
> collar loose
> now did we?
Are you refering to Lucy(fur)?I am loosing the will to live here.It Is
nearly 05.15 here & I have been up all night nattering.I need to go &
get a bit of shut eye, before I nose butt the keyboard again
> i dont remember anyone bitching about how dull the scissors were

I am definately lost here????????

> what a pity
What Is a pity B?
G'night mate, I have to go and inspect the inside of my eye-lids for a
while.Catch up with you later mate...keep smiling, cuddeling the
kittens, then get the camera out & show us all your kitty's
,Please????????????????????????????
S.

MaryL
December 29th 06, 07:04 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...

>
> yeah so **** off you yankee ******s! this woman was not even able to
> read or write not so long ago so why can't you uptight bunch just give
> her a bloody break! I could easily have ripped apart most of the above
> mosts from pretty much all of you for various crimes against SPAG
> (Spelling, Punctuation And Grammar by the way, now part of what I have
> to look out for when marking work and go towards the grade i award) but
> quite frankly I can't be arsed because i am not that petty and it is
> not my place to do so here.

Oh Bookie,...I think you have to be English to appreciate how funny
that bit of post sounded.There Is nothing like a bloody good wind up to
set someone off, Is there?You sound so similar to how how my mind works
that It Is almost comical..I had such a good giggle at this one, that
not even tena lady would have helped out;always ultra thick might have
( For the benefit of our American friends, I am reffering to a brand of
sanitary towel that helps out with incontinent women*for that always
fresh feeling)*, lol.The stiff upper lip definately comes into this one
I might add too...& just for the knowing, Yes I did make It to the Loo
In time not to wet myself over the hilarity of It all,Lmao :o)
Thanks for standing up for me though, I certainly appreciatted the
sentiment there( & the intolerance too).There Is nothing on earth like
an English lady to tell It how It Is If someone does happen to set you
off!!

We are all guilty of It occasionally.I can remember a time quite
recently when I got my own knickers In a twist when big bad B set me
off one day..Boy Oh Boy did I rant that day, & he didn't deserve It
really...I was In such a stomp @ the time that It just fell out of my
mouth-Or should I say my fingers?In fact, now that I look back at It, I
can remember thinking that I couldn't understnad a bloody word that B
was talking about, which was another bloody good reason that I had such
a vent session...So It would be a bit hypocritical of me to say that I
am not guilty of exactly the same intolerance now, wouldn't It?
Mind you, I have to point out, that you American ladies can give as
good as you get too, when you put your minds to it.I think that we are
all guilty of It at one time or another- I know that I certainly am!!

> i make the effort to read all posts in a thread I am interested in
> regardless of how annoying i find the writer's style, lack of
> structure, grammar, ability to spell etc etc etc, it is something
> called tolerance, do none of you have any? If someone chooses not to
> read my posts because they have decided to take exception to my writing
> style then i just view it as their loss, they lose out on reading my
> wonderful insights into feline health and behaviour, sod 'em

I think that we all get carried away now and again, but the *your
loss*, Is not lost on me either In this instance.I am far too
nosey,Interseted & opinionated to miss out on anything, so I do tend to
at least try & make head or tail out of what everyone posts, If I am
honest about It. I also laughed at this bit too. It Is nice to have
someone to share your triumphs with, So when you hear someone
critisising your style of expression, It Is a bit of a kill~Joy, Isn't
It? I used to hate having to admit that I couldn't write, but now I see
It as a triumph...So *everyone's* posting's are of Interesting to me,
& I am hardly In any position to crow about other peoples failing's
with regard to Spag...even spag Is a new one to me,lol!!When I read
what you posted, the word **** came to mind.Over here It Is another
term for Idiot, but after looking that one up too, I see that It
actually means a pregnant fish-Funny how the english languge can be
miss interpritated, Isn't It?

> Anyway my caps key doesn't work very well and i have better things to
> spend my money on right now than new keyboard.

I know that this Is not the point, but If you try Asda, you can get one
there for under a 5er.I think this one was 4.98.Now that I have
shelled out on one, I suppose I had better put It to good use,eh?I know
that no one Intended any offense at all, & none was taken
either.Something gets up everyones snout now and again, so now that I
know I was driving everyone up the wall, I don't mind using It
properly.It Is all good practise too :o)
S.

Hi Sheelagh. I'm afraid I was one of the guilty parties in the "grammar
police" episodes, and I'm also afraid I may have misled you when I mentioned
capitalizing "I." It usually only needs to be capitalized when you are
referring to yourself or when it is the first word in the sentence, not
every time you use a word that begins with "i."

I promise to completely drop the subject now because this isn't a newsgroup
devoted to spelling and punctuation. However, I want to tell you that I
have *huge* respect for what you have done in educating yourself. There are
not very many people who are able to accomplish what you have.

MaryL

milk bone
December 29th 06, 08:45 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> I am definately lost here????????
>
> > what a pity
> What Is a pity B?

that everbody can't be as sweet as me

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 01:47 PM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > I am definately lost here????????
> >
> > > what a pity
> > What Is a pity B?
>
> that everbody can't be as sweet as me
ROFLOL!!!

sheelagh
December 29th 06, 02:07 PM
> Hi Sheelagh. I'm afraid I was one of the guilty parties in the "grammar
> police" episodes, and I'm also afraid I may have misled you when I mentioned
> capitalizing "I." It usually only needs to be capitalized when you are
> referring to yourself or when it is the first word in the sentence, not
> every time you use a word that begins with "i."
>
> I promise to completely drop the subject now because this isn't a newsgroup
> devoted to spelling and punctuation. However, I want to tell you that I
> have *huge* respect for what you have done in educating yourself. There are
> not very many people who are able to accomplish what you have.
>
> MaryL

Thank you very much Mary. I am really proud now that I have managed to
get there, so to speak.The first year was an utter nightmare & I got so
frustrated with myself.I think having a fairly good vocabulary helped
in some ways, & when you are a little bit older reasoning Is a little
bit easier once you get an idea of what each letter looks like & alds o
sounds like too- you can reason out how most words are
spelt.OTOH,English is a bit of an expetion to the rule sort of
language.For instance the word, there..can mean so many things yet
sounds the same & spelt in several ways for each meaning.It was a huge
challenge, & I am still learning as you can see.I didn't mind anyone
pointing my mistake's out-As the expression goes, Practise makes
perefect, & I am still far off perfect :o)

Please don't feel bad about It at all. It is not your fault-In fact the
only reason that I mentioned It was so that everyone understood that I
wasn't trying to get up people's nose's with the unintentional
mistakes.They were actually genuinely made in ignorance...

Yor right, Cats are far more interesting than my spelling is,lol!!

Thanks ever so much for the link by the way.I ordered a few things from
that site that were cheaper by far, even with shipping costs, than we
can get here presently In the Uk.Bonus:o)
S.

bookie
December 29th 06, 02:35 PM
> with regard to Spag...even spag Is a new one to me

SPAG is some sad acronym that the powers that be in education have come
up with to describe spelling etc, just another thing that poor teachers
have to know about, along with national curriculum levels, SATS scores,
predicted levels, and all sorts of other tedious bureaucracy, which is
why i am getting out of teaching (that and the constant bullying from
senior management, lack of support from parents and abusive pupils).
they come up with new stuff all the time
>
> I know that this Is not the point, but If you try Asda, you can get one
> there for under a 5er.I think this one was 4.98.Now that I have
> shelled out on one, I suppose I had better put It to good use,eh?I know
> that no one Intended any offense at all, & none was taken
> either.Something gets up everyones snout now and again, so now that I
> know I was driving everyone up the wall, I don't mind using It
> properly.It Is all good practise too :o)
> S.
I got some cartridges for my printer there once, cheaper than normal
lexmark ones but ran out in no time at all. I will ahve a look this
arvo, have to go and see what bargains i can find in the knocked down
christmas chocolate shelves. ta anyway

cybercat
December 29th 06, 05:39 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> milk bone wrote:
>> sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> > I am definately lost here????????
>> >
>> > > what a pity
>> > What Is a pity B?
>>
>> that everbody can't be as sweet as me
> ROFLOL!!!
>

You're getting the picture now, aren't you, Sheelagh? :)

It's the old "double-edged sword."

Milkbone cuts both ways.

When he is sweet, he is very, very sweet.

And when he is not ... well, you know.

cybercat
December 29th 06, 05:41 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>
>> Hi Sheelagh. I'm afraid I was one of the guilty parties in the "grammar
>> police" episodes, and I'm also afraid I may have misled you when I
>> mentioned
>> capitalizing "I." It usually only needs to be capitalized when you are
>> referring to yourself or when it is the first word in the sentence, not
>> every time you use a word that begins with "i."
>>
>> I promise to completely drop the subject now because this isn't a
>> newsgroup
>> devoted to spelling and punctuation. However, I want to tell you that I
>> have *huge* respect for what you have done in educating yourself. There
>> are
>> not very many people who are able to accomplish what you have.
>>
>> MaryL
>
> Thank you very much Mary. I am really proud now that I have managed to
> get there, so to speak.The first year was an utter nightmare & I got so
> frustrated with myself.I think having a fairly good vocabulary helped
> in some ways, & when you are a little bit older reasoning Is a little
> bit easier once you get an idea of what each letter looks like & alds o
> sounds like too- you can reason out how most words are
> spelt.OTOH,English is a bit of an expetion to the rule sort of
> language.For instance the word, there..can mean so many things yet
> sounds the same & spelt in several ways for each meaning.It was a huge
> challenge, & I am still learning as you can see.I didn't mind anyone
> pointing my mistake's out-As the expression goes, Practise makes
> perefect, & I am still far off perfect :o)
>
> Please don't feel bad about It at all. It is not your fault-In fact the
> only reason that I mentioned It was so that everyone understood that I
> wasn't trying to get up people's nose's with the unintentional
> mistakes.They were actually genuinely made in ignorance...
>
> Yor right, Cats are far more interesting than my spelling is,lol!!
>
> Thanks ever so much for the link by the way.I ordered a few things from
> that site that were cheaper by far, even with shipping costs, than we
> can get here presently In the Uk.Bonus:o)
> S.
>

Meanwhile, for what it is worth, your intelligence shines right through
in this post, instead of being disguised from us pain-in-the-ass types
by some missing caps and spaces. :) *ducking and running*

bookie
December 29th 06, 08:19 PM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
> <playing with bookie>
>
> have another cup of coffe and another slice of pie?
>
actually I will have a nice cup of tea, milk no sugar, and some
biscuits if you have any, nice ones mind, not rich tea or anythign with
coconut.

> and didn't you just save a cat?

in this case the cats have been saved already, thank god, and now it is
tiem to go get the bitch who they were saved from. Anything I have
talking about with sheelagh about this cruelty is not really about
saving any more buy more about ensuring that the twisted cruel bitch
who mistreated her animals gets what she deserves, ie a good kicking in
the courts courtesy of Her Majesty's justice system (first time for
everything eh?), and also i do enjoy catching people out like that,
finding loopholes in things, getting one over on people like this
horrible woman by turning their own actions back on themselves, always
fun.

anyway, who wouldn't want to see this evil creature put away for a long
time? it may not turn back time and stop poor tiggs getting ringworm or
being kept in a rabbit hutch but if she does get a hefty sentence and
fine it may just make other like-minded scum think twice about the
conditions they keep their animals in. There are several reason for the
sentences courts dish out but the main ones are punishment for
wrongdoing and to act as a deterrant to others to commit the same
crime, can't remember what the others are but can't be bothered to go
downstairs to look them up in any of my books on criminal psychology.

anyway, stop procrastinating and show us some pictures of the kittens.

bookie

milk bone
December 29th 06, 11:48 PM
bookie wrote:

> actually I will have a nice cup of tea, milk no sugar, and some
> biscuits if you have any, nice ones mind, not rich tea or anythign with
> coconut.

all I have is some earl grey, I also have a fresh lemon
you tellin milk bone that you want a biscuit?
just kidding, I like crackers and strawberry jam

> anyway, stop procrastinating and show us some pictures of the kittens.

almost ready, lol

they follow dey mamma around alot (on the blanket)

I want to share them so bad, I don't mind, I love it
thing is.. im installing new floors (those peel and stick tiles)
remember me bleeding on here about ripping out the ****ing carpets?
I did that.
i swept, now im running these tiles! I love'm MY FLOORS LOOK LIKE GREEN
MARBLE

deep down, i know these kittens are fixing to run over me
they won't catch me with my pants down... Im going to be ready for them

bookie
December 30th 06, 02:04 AM
milk bone wrote:
> bookie wrote:
>
> > actually I will have a nice cup of tea, milk no sugar, and some
> > biscuits if you have any, nice ones mind, not rich tea or anythign with
> > coconut.
>
> all I have is some earl grey, I also have a fresh lemon
> you tellin milk bone that you want a biscuit?
> just kidding, I like crackers and strawberry jam
>
you simply cannot have milk in Earl Grey tea, only a slice of lemon at
most, so I will pass on that thank you all the same. I was on a
training camp in Italy this easter and when I asked at the hotel bar
for a cup of tea the abomination in a cup I received at this request
made me weep. I had to show the chap behind the bar how to make a
decent cup of tea, he didn't seem to realise you would put milk in it,
frightening. normally when I go away like that I take my own kettle,
mugs, tea bags or loose, teapot, camping stove, etc etc, but I was
informed (in error) that we were going to be staying in a decent hotel
with all modern conveniences which to me includes tea making facilities
in the rooms and/or a barman who knows how to make a proper cup of
Rosie Lee but there was neither in evidence. I am not being caught out
again.

> > anyway, stop procrastinating and show us some pictures of the kittens.
>
> almost ready, lol
>
> they follow dey mamma around alot (on the blanket)
>
> I want to share them so bad, I don't mind, I love it
> thing is.. im installing new floors (those peel and stick tiles)
> remember me bleeding on here about ripping out the ****ing carpets?
> I did that.
> i swept, now im running these tiles! I love'm MY FLOORS LOOK LIKE GREEN
> MARBLE
>
> deep down, i know these kittens are fixing to run over me
> they won't catch me with my pants down... Im going to be ready for them

well you can't keep them all you know, only one and then you have to
get him/her 'done'.

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 03:04 AM
bookie wrote:

> milk bone wrote:
> > bookie wrote:
> >
> > > actually I will have a nice cup of tea, milk no sugar, and some
> > > biscuits if you have any, nice ones mind, not rich tea or anythign with
> > > coconut.

They are my favourite

> > all I have is some earl grey, I also have a fresh lemon
> > you tellin milk bone that you want a biscuit?
> > just kidding, I like crackers and strawberry jam

Ever tried cold yorkshire pudding with jam on it before?You have no
idea what you are missing, If not?

> you simply cannot have milk in Earl Grey tea, only a slice of lemon at
> most, so I will pass on that thank you all the same. I was on a
> training camp in Italy this easter and when I asked at the hotel bar
> for a cup of tea the abomination in a cup I received at this request
> made me weep. I had to show the chap behind the bar how to make a
> decent cup of tea, he didn't seem to realise you would put milk in it,
> frightening. normally when I go away like that I take my own kettle,
> mugs, tea bags or loose, teapot, camping stove, etc etc, but I was
> informed (in error) that we were going to be staying in a decent hotel
> with all modern conveniences which to me includes tea making facilities
> in the rooms and/or a barman who knows how to make a proper cup of
> Rosie Lee but there was neither in evidence. I am not being caught out
> again.

Bloody foreigners,lol-Don't they realise we brits cant function without
our daily fix?
Last time I popped over to see my uncle In Spain, that was the veryone
thing that he asked me to bring (other than kippers,marmite & galaxy
chocy bar's)
One desires one fix at least 6times a day, or one can't function( well
this one can't anyway,lol)
> > anyway, stop procrastinating and show us some pictures of the kittens.
> >
> > almost ready, lol
> >
> > they follow dey mamma around alot (on the blanket)

Time to get that high sided box from wallmart B.Mummy can just in, but
kitty's can't get bloody lost or hide under the kitchen cabinates.Just
as well that floor is going down, as you will need to kneel on it to,
look for them very shortly,lol:o)
> >
> > I want to share them so bad, I don't mind, I love it
> > thing is.. im installing new floors (those peel and stick tiles)
> > remember me bleeding on here about ripping out the ****ing carpets?
> > I did that.
> > i swept, now im running these tiles! I love'm MY FLOORS LOOK LIKE GREEN
> > MARBLE

Very nice Indeed B.I can't wait to see that too,so get round to the
neighbor's and ask If you can borrow his $1,000 camera for 1/2 hour..I
can assure you that he will offer to do them for you, so It is an all
win situation here.We get to see your new flooring, your lovely
kittens, including Gracie I might add- & you get out of having to catch
the little blighter on camera, & he gets to do all of the hard work
too.You know what they say about working with kids animals and
camera's, don't you?
> >
> > deep down, i know these kittens are fixing to run over me
> > they won't catch me with my pants down... Im going to be ready for them
yeah,lol?!!!
> well you can't keep them all you know, only one and then you have to
> get him/her 'done'.

Looks like you are going to get to keep that tabby one then?And, Bookie
is right, you will have to go up and see the human society.I am
ceertain that they will help out with that little problem.I have just
got the cat protection league to help out with Lucy(furr!)..the little
one that I had to trap to treat for athat dreadful collar growing into
It's neck .She Is being snipped tomorrow for half price.Excellent!
OT:<just watching Bbc news 24,I can't quite believe they are going to
to hang old sadam-capital punishnment doesn't happen over here, so It
is quite shocking!>
Reply to bookie in a min.
S.

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 03:26 AM
> > and didn't you just save a cat?
>
> in this case the cats have been saved already, thank god, and now it is
> tiem to go get the bitch who they were saved from. Anything I have
> talking about with sheelagh about this cruelty is not really about
> saving any more buy more about ensuring that the twisted cruel bitch
> who mistreated her animals gets what she deserves, ie a good kicking in
> the courts courtesy of Her Majesty's justice system (first time for
> everything eh?), and also i do enjoy catching people out like that,
> finding loopholes in things, getting one over on people like this
> horrible woman by turning their own actions back on themselves, always
> fun.
>
> anyway, who wouldn't want to see this evil creature put away for a long
> time? it may not turn back time and stop poor tiggs getting ringworm or
> being kept in a rabbit hutch but if she does get a hefty sentence and
> fine it may just make other like-minded scum think twice about the
> conditions they keep their animals in. There are several reason for the
> sentences courts dish out but the main ones are punishment for
> wrongdoing and to act as a deterrant to others to commit the same
> crime, can't remember what the others are but can't be bothered to go
> downstairs to look them up in any of my books on criminal psychology.
>
> anyway, stop procrastinating and show us some pictures of the kittens.

Impatient is my second name(Overly opinionated Gob-Off Is my first
one,lol!!)
> bookie

Hear, Hear.

There Is a lot to be said for older punishments-I think that a year in
the stocks would have served very well indeed, with a sign around her
neck proclaiming her as an animal abuser.I can assure you, she would
have got the stick she deserves for this one!!

The *only* downside to It is that the tax payer will have to foot the
bill for keeping her incaserated.Very much a double sided knife
really.I do want to see her pay for her uncaring ,despicable actions,
but... Otoh,I hate the thought that we have to pay to punish her.No win
stituation, but It will be good to know that she is not going to get
away with this oneI share your sentiments too Bookie.
S.

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 03:36 AM
cybercat wrote:

> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > milk bone wrote:
> >> sheelagh wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am definately lost here????????
> >> >
> >> > > what a pity
> >> > What Is a pity B?
> >>
> >> that everbody can't be as sweet as me
> > ROFLOL!!!
> >
>
> You're getting the picture now, aren't you, Sheelagh? :)

Oh, Yes Cyber,I see exactly what you mean :o)
>
> It's the old "double-edged sword."
>
> Milkbone cuts both ways.

I have made It a policy now to make sure that I *don't* allow myself to
be baited ...he really did have me going for a while back there.Now
that I know he is a pussy cat In disguise, I like him far more.....

> When he is sweet, he is very, very sweet.

He can be utterly chaarming.....

> And when he is not ... well, you know.

He can by like one of my son's who's lost his ball over the neighbors
fence, & sulks all the time-The diference Is that I can turn my Pc off,
but the son really is a pain in the crack of My butt?!!!He is my
favourite pussy cat right now,lol:o)
I still WANA SEE THE KITTENS THOUGH?

milk bone
December 30th 06, 10:59 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> Hear, Hear.
>
> There Is a lot to be said for older punishments-I think that a year in
> the stocks would have served very well indeed, with a sign around her
> neck proclaiming her as an animal abuser.I can assure you, she would
> have got the stick she deserves for this one!!
>
> The *only* downside to It is that the tax payer will have to foot the
> bill for keeping her incaserated.Very much a double sided knife
> really.I do want to see her pay for her uncaring ,despicable actions,
> but... Otoh,I hate the thought that we have to pay to punish her.No win
> stituation, but It will be good to know that she is not going to get
> away with this oneI share your sentiments too Bookie.
> S.

spelling is fun, i can't spell worth a hoot and my time is to valueable
to use a 3rd party spell checker... so long as it's edible right!? I
can just see you spelling incarserated
lol

I like you and bookie
---

remember
when you can't find something to fight about in here... just goto
grading posts
spell checking, that sort of thing

milk bone
December 30th 06, 11:11 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> I still WANA SEE THE KITTENS THOUGH?

http://picasaweb.google.com/bigbadbarry/Solarsystem/photo#5014274312484492882

http://tinyurl.com/ybegag

there is one kitten, he's probably close to being the smallest
he came over to me twice on his own.. i brought him over to the pc and
used a web cam

milk bone
December 30th 06, 11:17 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> Hear, Hear.
>
> There Is a lot to be said for older punishments-I think that a year in
> the stocks would have served very well indeed, with a sign around her
> neck proclaiming her as an animal abuser.I can assure you, she would
> have got the stick she deserves for this one!!

you should probably wash your house now, lmao

is your house clean? is it?

mine was not! but it's almost clean now. getting ready for the kittens
-

how many kids do you have?

if I come there, are there many private public payphones? heee

double your money back!

....walking down some alley with a 25Lb sledge hammer

how do you explain that to a bobby

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 05:50 PM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > Hear, Hear.
> >
> > There Is a lot to be said for older punishments-I think that a year in
> > the stocks would have served very well indeed, with a sign around her
> > neck proclaiming her as an animal abuser.I can assure you, she would
> > have got the stick she deserves for this one!!
>
> you should probably wash your house now, lmao
Probably,but....

You must be kidding?That is one of me least favourite pass time's.It is
done on a *need to be done* basis only...&I also refuse to clean for 6
anymore too.Everyone has to muck in these days!!I did until the kids
got double figures in age, then I had to show them how to do things
like*How to put your own socks in the washing machine, then they stand
half a chance of being* washed*...under the bed does nor work for me,I
am afraid.....Nor does behind the bathroom floor either.You would be
amazed at how quicky they pick it up when you do everyone else's except
their's.......

> is your house clean? is it?

Only when I absolutely have to...how about you,is it clean, is it
clean???

> mine was not! but it's almost clean now. getting ready for the kittens
Good!!I find that my cats are funny about these things...It has to be
up to a certain standard, or they tell me off you know...they meiow &
mieow until I get on my poor *old* hands and knee's with a wet bloody
cloth to pick all of their hair off of the mat in the centre of the
foor.The hoover won't touch them,I am well fed up with the damned
thing...what was the point in buying one If I have to do It on my four
paws, I ask you?

> how many kids do you have?
5of my own,& also 2step ones too.Kt 21 a couple of weeks [email protected]
doing health managment-she wantds to be a social worker..,Luke @college
doing a music degree,17, Ross,16in a weeks time &wants to be a sound
recording engineer,Jack 13 & a pain in the arse;but a loveable pain in
the arse...then Tily, 10, who thinks she is J-lo

> if I come there, are there many private public payphones? heee

LOADS OF THEM LOL.
> double your money back!

I hate to disappoint you B, but most of them take phone cards, & the
ones that don't, have normally either been unloaded by chav's,or
alreafy unloaded by some loathsome individual(now I want you to look
this word up in the dictionary as It was only addded recently -try the
oxford consise-If I spelt that one right,lol)They are dreadful I assure
you.I am also sure that Bookie might have a few words to say on this
one teaching brats!!

> ...walking down some alley with a 25Lb sledge hammer

Your more likely to have better luck with an atm point over
here....Most people have mobile's here instead.I think you call them
cell phones...
I won't suggest charity boxes, because that Is stooping far too low

> how do you explain that to a bobby

With great difficulty at night.If they couldn't get you on any other
charge, I am sure that carrying an offensive weapon of mass
destruction might suffice,lol-Mass destruction is a new one that we
imported from you.I guess that you could *try*,"I was on my way to
work".But I have a feeing that one wouldn't go too far either!
S:o)

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 06:01 PM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > Hear, Hear.
> >
> > There Is a lot to be said for older punishments-I think that a year in
> > the stocks would have served very well indeed, with a sign around her
> > neck proclaiming her as an animal abuser.I can assure you, she would
> > have got the stick she deserves for this one!!
> >
> > The *only* downside to It is that the tax payer will have to foot the
> > bill for keeping her incaserated.Very much a double sided knife
> > really.I do want to see her pay for her uncaring ,despicable actions,
> > but... Otoh,I hate the thought that we have to pay to punish her.No win
> > stituation, but It will be good to know that she is not going to get
> > away with this oneI share your sentiments too Bookie.
> > S.
>
> spelling is fun, i can't spell worth a hoot and my time is to valueable
> to use a 3rd party spell checker... so long as it's edible right!? I
> can just see you spelling incarserated
> lol

Spelling is the bain of my life...when reading I can see other people's
mistake's, but never my own..why Is that? (eledgible?-too?-& most
probably incasterated too?casterated nearly fell out...lol:o)

> I like you and bookie

You have no idea how happy this makes me ;o)
I knew you would, It is because we are classic examples of an English
Lady-ROFLOL!!!

> remember
> when you can't find something to fight about in here... just goto
> grading posts
> spell checking, that sort of thing

I am not so sure about that one...It would be a bit like the pot
calling the kettle black, wouldn't It?I can't spell either, so that
would gove*everyone* a chance to shoot me down in flames (I think that
this might also be an all exclusive english expresion too-It means, I
am hardly in any possition to call anyone else for the same thing I
fail on too:o)
S.
Ps:howz my babyz today then?Especially Gracie, she loves me you know!!

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 06:16 PM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > I still WANA SEE THE KITTENS THOUGH?
>

>
> there is one kitten, he's probably close to being the smallest
> he came over to me twice on his own.. i brought him over to the pc and
> used a web cam

AWWHHHHHHH,BABY!
Nice to meet you Goliath, the pleasure Is entirely mine;o)
Is this one the chap that you might keep to ensure that your ladies
stay in line?
If you do,(which I wouldn't blame you), you *must* have him
knackerd...inbreeding gets kind of very ugly indeed...No,I am not
telling you off, I am merely pointing out the obvious
<sheelagh's cold heart is melting here...he is lovely, isn't he?>
S.

cybercat
December 30th 06, 06:20 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote
>> remember
>> when you can't find something to fight about in here... just goto
>> grading posts
>> spell checking, that sort of thing
>
> I am not so sure about that one...It would be a bit like the pot
> calling the kettle black, wouldn't It?I can't spell either

No, no, Sheelagh, Barry is referring to me, taking a shot at me
for bringing up the caps/etc. issues, even though I SAID I knew
I was being a pain in the ass, but that it just annoyed me and I had
to say it.

You recall now, what Barry was doing to me when you first showed
up?

Berating me for sending him cat food, telling me I am an alcoholic
who keeps a dirty house, etc. etc. etc.

The cycle of abuse is about to start again, only this time I don't give
a ****.

About you: I hope you saw where I apologized if you took any of the
stuff about posting style personally. That is not how I meant it.

I was essentially expressing annoyance because I WANTED to read
your posts and those of others who did not capitalize etc. but could not
without getting annoyed due to the ignored conventions.

cybercat
December 30th 06, 06:23 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> milk bone wrote:
>> sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> > I still WANA SEE THE KITTENS THOUGH?
>>
>
>>
>> there is one kitten, he's probably close to being the smallest
>> he came over to me twice on his own.. i brought him over to the pc and
>> used a web cam
>
> AWWHHHHHHH,BABY!
> Nice to meet you Goliath, the pleasure Is entirely mine;o)
> Is this one the chap that you might keep to ensure that your ladies
> stay in line?
> If you do,(which I wouldn't blame you), you *must* have him
> knackerd...inbreeding gets kind of very ugly indeed...No,I am not
> telling you off, I am merely pointing out the obvious
> <sheelagh's cold heart is melting here...he is lovely, isn't he?>
> S.
>

sheelagh
December 30th 06, 07:25 PM
cybercat wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote
> >> remember
> >> when you can't find something to fight about in here... just goto
> >> grading posts
> >> spell checking, that sort of thing
> >
> > I am not so sure about that one...It would be a bit like the pot
> > calling the kettle black, wouldn't It?I can't spell either
>
> No, no, Sheelagh, Barry is referring to me, taking a shot at me
> for bringing up the caps/etc. issues, even though I SAID I knew
> I was being a pain in the ass, but that it just annoyed me and I had
> to say it.
Ahhhh...now the the light is dawning....

> You recall now, what Barry was doing to me when you first showed
> up?

I do.I got very annoyed indeed, then opened my huge mouth & let rip.

I know better than to make the same mistake again.

> Berating me for sending him cat food, telling me I am an alcoholic
> who keeps a dirty house, etc. etc. etc.

Looking back, I now realise that all I did was fan the flames,where
there was no call...

> The cycle of abuse is about to start again, only this time I don't give
> a ****.

I very much hope that this is not the case.I did not enjoy It at all.
I prefer It when everyone everyone has a laugh with one another, & also
when we exchange stories of importance,& share information with each
other.

> About you: I hope you saw where I apologized if you took any of the
> stuff about posting style personally. That is not how I meant it.

I did read it.I took no offense at all.In instances such as the one you
mention, It would be silly to take offense.If you had not told me, I
would never have known It was an issue,would I?
In anycase, had you not mentioned it & shown me the correct way of
expressing myself-I wouldn't know how to correct it now.

> I was essentially expressing annoyance because I WANTED to read
> your posts and those of others who did not capitalize etc. but could not
> without getting annoyed due to the ignored conventions.

I understand that now.But at the time-Because I didn't understand what
you were trying to convey when you said"caps-Locking",I wasn't able to
correct It.I did understand about the capital letter's,but not the
grammar.
Thanks though
S:o)

bookie
December 30th 06, 09:27 PM
> spelling is fun, i can't spell worth a hoot and my time is to valueable

I can spell, i just type too fast in order to keep with my train of
thought and then I just cant' bothered to go back and correct all the
mistakes I have made. usually the letters are all there, just in the
wrong order, and yes my time is also far too valuable to waste on spell
checkers, i can check my own spelling, if i could be bothered that
is....

goliath is going to be a little heart breaker isn;t he? well actually
he is already, what a cutie!!??!!!!

cybercat
December 30th 06, 10:09 PM
"bookie" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
>> spelling is fun, i can't spell worth a hoot and my time is to valueable
>
> I can spell, i just type too fast in order to keep with my train of
> thought and then I just cant' bothered to go back and correct all the
> mistakes I have made. usually the letters are all there, just in the
> wrong order, and yes my time is also far too valuable to waste on spell
> checkers, i can check my own spelling, if i could be bothered that
> is....
>
> goliath is going to be a little heart breaker isn;t he? well actually
> he is already, what a cutie!!??!!!!
>

Yes. I like this name, too. He could be called "Go-go" for short!

bookie
December 30th 06, 11:15 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> Spelling is the bain

bane

of my life...when reading I can see other people's
> mistake's, but never my own..why Is that? (eledgible?
illegible

-too?-& most
> probably incasterated too?casterated nearly fell out...lol:o)
>
incarcerated

> > I like you and bookie
>
> You have no idea how happy this makes me ;o)
> I knew you would, It is because we are classic examples of an English
> Lady-ROFLOL!!!
>
I wouldn't call myself a lady, and I only tend to be called 'madam' if
I am being asked to 'stop making a scene' at the same time.

I have stopped drinking pints though when i go out and now only drink
shorts and spirits, does this count towards my gentrification? as in my
conversion to a laaaaay-dy? Am actually enjoying a nice galss of wine
at present, french unfortunately, didn't buy the bottle myself, only
buy new world wines myself, i find french stuff overpriced for what it
is. And I hate the french too, so I do not want to be contributing to
propping up their economy.

by the way i have decided what to get my housemate for his somewhat
belated xmas and birthday present combined (birthday was onthe 21st
december); sponsorship of a cat in a rescue shelter in cyprus! he will
get a certificate telling him he is sponsoring the cat for 1 year and
an A4 colour photo of the cat i chose for him. He actually wanted an
umbrella but i think this is much better dont' you? i am also going to
sponsor a kitty for myself, the one I have chosen is grey, old and has
one eye, perfect.

Bookie

sheelagh
December 31st 06, 01:15 AM
bookie wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
> > Spelling is the bain
>
> bane
Oops

> of my life...when reading I can see other people's
> > mistake's, but never my own..why Is that? (eledgible?
> illegible

Oh dear!

> -too?-& most
> > probably incasterated too?casterated nearly fell out...lol:o)

> incarcerated

Oh **** It all then,lol!!
> > > I like you and bookie
> >
> > You have no idea how happy this makes me ;o)
> > I knew you would, It is because we are classic examples of an English
> > Lady-ROFLOL!!!

> I wouldn't call myself a lady, and I only tend to be called 'madam' if
> I am being asked to 'stop making a scene' at the same time.

No, I agree. But I can..As I don't know you personally, I am entitled
to assume that you are , until advised to the contrary(I know, you
don't have to tell me-I had to do that one phoneticaly)

> I have stopped drinking pints though when i go out and now only drink
> shorts and spirits, does this count towards my gentrification?> conversion to a laaaaay-dy?

No!

I haven't got quite that far yet.I still embarrass my family by
ordering a pint of best bitter when they are brave enough to take me
out for a quick one(not silly comments please-Its how we refer to going
out for a quick drink)

Am actually enjoying a nice galss of wine
> at present, french unfortunately, didn't buy the bottle myself, only
> buy new world wines myself, i find french stuff overpriced for what it
> is. And I hate the french too, so I do not want to be contributing to
> propping up their economy.

Well expressed, & I agree with the sentiment too.

However, In my case It has more to do with the fact that my pallet
Informs me that all wines tase the same....LIKE VINIGAR!!I am simply
not destined to be a wine drinker.Even the bottles of plonk that I am
presented with at xmas, eventually get chucked in to the casserole that
I call cock au vin, or when I am really trying hard to impress, I call
it,braised steak a la sheelagh :o)
Aboslutely no class at all really when you consider it.

> by the way i have decided what to get my housemate for his somewhat
> belated xmas and birthday present combined (birthday was onthe 21st
> december); sponsorship of a cat in a rescue shelter in cyprus! he will
> get a certificate telling him he is sponsoring the cat for 1 year and
> an A4 colour photo of the cat i chose for him. He actually wanted an
> umbrella but i think this is much better dont' you? i am also going to
> sponsor a kitty for myself, the one I have chosen is grey, old and has
> one eye, perfect.

Superb Idea.That Is more or less the same as I did for my mum, but the
cat was in wiltshire.Slightly more local.Spiffing!!I did think about
sponsering a child, but after the experience of living in Africa,I knew
It would be a waste of money.The last time I was out there, the peace
core were moaning themselve's silly about the fact that all of the hard
earned donations were being spent on the prime minister's latest palace
& new helicopter pad.
I must also add that she thought that the cat thingy was a waste of
money too-she hates cats.I feel for her, but It made me feel better
.....I think she would have felt happier If I had given her a marks &
Sparks voucher for new underwear(she tells me that you can *never have
enough*)
HARD CHEESE!
> Bookie

sheelagh
December 31st 06, 01:28 AM
SOD THE SPELLING TONIGHT,I'm having a Baileys.Surely you don't expect
me to drink and type correctly....Do you?
>
> goliath is going to be a little heart breaker isn;t he? well actually
> he is already, what a cutie!!??!!!!

I think so too.I hope B like's It.It suits him.

As he told me a couple of days ago, he is a little tabby right down to
the bone-I won't ask how her knows.It Is imaterial really..just an
expression of thought and sentiment I think.

Goliath just seemed very apt @ the time, &Go Go Isn't too embarresing
to hang out of the window and shout, so hopefully he might like that
one.

Has anyone got any better idea's?



I never realised there were so many sickos out there!!

Now, you must excuse me.I have a Bunny's throat to cut metephoricaly
speaking.
Roof Rabbit, my backside.....

I never realised there were so many sickos out there!!
S.

bookie
December 31st 06, 02:34 AM
> However, In my case It has more to do with the fact that my pallet

should be 'palate' if you mean your tastebuds

> Informs me that all wines tase the same....LIKE VINIGAR!!I

vinegar

> I call cock au vin,

coq, french for what you have written above, unless of course you are
actually serving someone's severed penis in a wine sauce a la lorena
bobbit (tempting for most of the chaps I have been out with in the
past)
>
> > by the way i have decided what to get my housemate for his somewhat
> > belated xmas and birthday present combined (birthday was onthe 21st
> > december); sponsorship of a cat in a rescue shelter in cyprus! he will
> > get a certificate telling him he is sponsoring the cat for 1 year and
> > an A4 colour photo of the cat i chose for him. He actually wanted an
> > umbrella but i think this is much better dont' you? i am also going to
> > sponsor a kitty for myself, the one I have chosen is grey, old and has
> > one eye, perfect.
>
> Superb Idea.That Is more or less the same as I did for my mum, but the
> cat was in wiltshire.Slightly more local.Spiffing!!I did think about
> sponsering a child, but after the experience of living in Africa,I knew
> It would be a waste of money.The last time I was out there, the peace
> core were moaning themselve's silly about the fact that all of the hard
> earned donations were being spent on the prime minister's latest palace
> & new helicopter pad.


most of those charities waste a lot of their money on admin and paying
people a lot of money to work for them to be 'professional
fundraisers', happens more inthe bigger charites i find and only a
small percentage actually goes to the individuals in need. A small
rescue centre run by volunteers with no paid staff and a small income
from donations will ensure that pretty much 100% of the money raised
goes to the needy animals (or people, whatever it is for) so i would
rather donate to them. Also in places like cyprus, spain etc the people
view cats as vermin and rarely bother to pay for vet care for them when
they are ill, certainly they are unlikely to bother to get them spayed
or neutered so you have a huge unwanted kitten population, very sad.

I may have the wrong idea entirely but when i am asked to donate money
to causes in african countries i often wonder how much of my money will
be 'redirected' into buying guns or whatever, I just doubt that it will
actually get to the people in need. maybe I am wrong about that, I am
sure someone will correct me

bookie

sheelagh
December 31st 06, 04:14 AM
bookie wrote:
> > However, In my case It has more to do with the fact that my pallet
>
> should be 'palate' if you mean your tastebuds
>
> > Informs me that all wines tase the same....LIKE VINIGAR!!I
>
> vinegar
>
> > I call cock au vin,
>
> coq, french for what you have written above, unless of course you are
> actually serving someone's severed penis in a wine sauce a la lorena
> bobbit (tempting for most of the chaps I have been out with in the
> past)

TEE HEE,LOL...Now that would be intersting, wouldn't It?
Unfortunately, you are right though, I was talking about the cluck
variety, not the male human type......(only unfortunate because some of
them are so deserving).

Not all at all!Some of them are actually quite nice.Like me, you must
have met the odd house trained one that was considerate?I have one
right now.He Is called Paul & he does more than any other man I have
ever met before now.He does children, cooking, hoovering, & also
gardening.Cat training him took slightly longer, but he Is now litter
trained & cat friendly too.Arn't I fortunate?

Does this give you an insight to what shopping used to be like for me a
few short years ago?


> > > by the way i have decided what to get my housemate for his somewhat
> > > belated xmas and birthday present combined (birthday was onthe 21st
> > > december); sponsorship of a cat in a rescue shelter in cyprus! he will
> > > get a certificate telling him he is sponsoring the cat for 1 year and
> > > an A4 colour photo of the cat i chose for him. He actually wanted an
> > > umbrella but i think this is much better dont' you? i am also going to
> > > sponsor a kitty for myself, the one I have chosen is grey, old and has
> > > one eye, perfect.
> >
> > Superb Idea.That Is more or less the same as I did for my mum, but the
> > cat was in wiltshire.Slightly more local.Spiffing!!I did think about
> > sponsering a child, but after the experience of living in Africa,I knew
> > It would be a waste of money.The last time I was out there, the peace
> > core were moaning themselve's silly about the fact that all of the hard
> > earned donations were being spent on the prime minister's latest palace
> > & new helicopter pad.
>
>
> most of those charities waste a lot of their money on admin and paying
> people a lot of money to work for them to be 'professional
> fundraisers', happens more inthe bigger charites i find and only a
> small percentage actually goes to the individuals in need. A small
> rescue centre run by volunteers with no paid staff and a small income
> from donations will ensure that pretty much 100% of the money raised
> goes to the needy animals (or people, whatever it is for) so i would
> rather donate to them. Also in places like cyprus, spain etc the people
> view cats as vermin and rarely bother to pay for vet care for them when
> they are ill, certainly they are unlikely to bother to get them spayed
> or neutered so you have a huge unwanted kitten population, very sad.


> I may have the wrong idea entirely but when i am asked to donate money
> to causes in african countries i often wonder how much of my money will
> be 'redirected' into buying guns or whatever, I just doubt that it will
> actually get to the people in need. maybe I am wrong about that, I am
> sure someone will correct me

I agree with you there.Sad though It is,I have seen It happen so many
times, that I wouldn't contribute a single penny towards them.I would
rather hand over the cash to the family personaly, or maybe some of the
missions run by the nun's.Speaking of guns, you aew 100% correct there.
In the place that my parents worked(sieromco, Mokanji) In Sierra
Leone,There was a Mission very close by, where they ran a clinic for
the sick & treated the locals for free.I knew all 3 nun's that ran it
,& they killed every single one of them, even though all they ever did
was to strive to help them.I felt sick when I heard about it....
S.

milk bone
December 31st 06, 04:16 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> I won't suggest charity boxes, because that Is stooping far too low

lmao

milk bone
December 31st 06, 04:23 AM
cybercat wrote:
> No, no, Sheelagh, Barry is referring to me,

it's not what you know, it's what you can prove cyber
you can't prove that it was about you

taking a shot at you? ! IMEW KEEK YUR ISS
>taking a shot at me
> for bringing up the caps/etc. issues, even though I SAID I knew
> I was being a pain in the ass, but that it just annoyed me and I had
> to say it.
>
> You recall now, what Barry was doing to me when you first showed
> up?
>
> Berating me for sending him cat food, telling me I am an alcoholic
> who keeps a dirty house, etc. etc. etc.
>
> The cycle of abuse is about to start again, only this time I don't give
> a ****.

ah, that's awful, a simple exchange about group hypocrisy
and you get ugly

> About you: I hope you saw where I apologized if you took any of the
> stuff about posting style personally. That is not how I meant it.

I believe "PAIN IN THE ASS" was the term?

cybercat
December 31st 06, 04:31 AM
"milk bone" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>> No, no, Sheelagh, Barry is referring to me,
>
> it's not what you know, it's what you can prove cyber
> you can't prove that it was about you
>
> taking a shot at you? ! IMEW KEEK YUR ISS
>>taking a shot at me
>> for bringing up the caps/etc. issues, even though I SAID I knew
>> I was being a pain in the ass, but that it just annoyed me and I had
>> to say it.
>>
>> You recall now, what Barry was doing to me when you first showed
>> up?
>>
>> Berating me for sending him cat food, telling me I am an alcoholic
>> who keeps a dirty house, etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> The cycle of abuse is about to start again, only this time I don't give
>> a ****.
>
> ah, that's awful, a simple exchange about group hypocrisy
> and you get ugly
>
>> About you: I hope you saw where I apologized if you took any of the
>> stuff about posting style personally. That is not how I meant it.
>
> I believe "PAIN IN THE ASS" was the term?
>

As you well know, the only difference between an asshole and a pain in the
ass is ONE HEMMORRHOID.

You're already mad at me so what the hey.

hahahaha

*kiss*

milk bone
December 31st 06, 04:34 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> I never realised there were so many sickos out there!!
>
> Now, you must excuse me.I have a Bunny's throat to cut metephoricaly
> speaking.
> Roof Rabbit, my backside.....
>
> I never realised there were so many sickos out there!!
> S.

exactly how many baileys are we talking?

yes sickos everywhere
don't let it bother you, blah
i got something for the sickos

shoot silhouette of sledge hammer>

that's true that kids only pick up their stuff
their so busy, so much to see and places to go
things to do man

cats and kids layed out everywhere, calls for a baileys

don't laugh, i've made a break-through discovery!.. trash is a major
deal
if you remove everything you intend to toss out.. then the battle is
almost over
trash trash trash IM AMAZED

Is a lot of trash a sign of spending?
sorta like alot of ****tying is indicitive of eating

im having a ghetto esspresso

sheelagh
December 31st 06, 04:42 AM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > I won't suggest charity boxes, because that Is stooping far too low
>
> lmao
Glad to see your around again mate~I have missed you today,lol.

I have just been having a personal word with *our* friend Bunny, or
Miximitosis, or was It roof ******?I forget...lol!!

I was just having a quiet chat with cyber about my attrocious spelling
grammar ect, & this individual decided to climb up my snout..
Cyber was kind enough to tell me all about him, so I explained in palin
simple language what I thought of him when he sent me a wonderful
picture of a caps lock!!

(****,DICK4BRAINS,RETARD & SIMPLE PLAIN **** HEAD!!)
I had to impart the fact that I am illiterate, not a bloody retard like
him.
I am so sorry for telling you off the other day.This a public apology
for not allowing you to decapitate him on the spot.I should have you
know!

Anyway, as you must have seen, I have been asking for nice names for
your buddy & my suggestion Is Goliath...wodja fink then?Brilliant, or
just plain genious,lol?
He is gorgeousPukka!!Thanks for sharing the pic with us too
S.

sheelagh
December 31st 06, 05:12 AM
milk bone wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > I never realised there were so many sickos out there!!

You learn something new every single day here don't you?

> > Now, you must excuse me.I have a Bunny's throat to cut metephoricaly
> > speaking.
> > Roof Rabbit, my backside.....

Job done!!No messing here...
It is not a question of who killed Roger Rabbit here.It Is more a case
of stuffed mixi bunny up the bum.**** I am mad with him now.How dare he
show me what a caps lock is.You never know, he might start stalking me
too.Now that would be funny

> > I never realised there were so many sickos out there!!
> > S.
>
> exactly how many baileys are we talking?

2,no..not pints, 2sherry glasses.I don't drink very often, so If I had
any more than that, I wouldn't have been able to frame the Mixi thingy
>
> yes sickos everywhere
> don't let it bother you, blah
> i got something for the sickos
>
> shoot silhouette of sledge hammer>

I knew you would find a good use for it in the end lol:o)

> that's true that kids only pick up their stuff
> their so busy, so much to see and places to go
> things to do man
Yes, they use that excuse quite often, but It doesn't wash with me
anymore.I am one of those mean moma's.I*make* them clear up.What good
will they be to themselves If they leave home but don't know how to use
the washing mchine?In my book, that would make me a bad mother.Surely,
my role in life Is to prepare them for the big bad world out there?

> cats and kids layed out everywhere, calls for a baileys

I could have tried, but It wouldn't have worked.Your right about the
kids & cats though. It gets kind of crowded in here at times.Housework
done.I can't let it go to past one day, otherwise I would be living in
a tip & I hate untidy. Despite hating cleaning,It is a nessacery
evil.Done and dusted for another day...

Have you heard about Lucy(furr)?

>
> don't laugh, i've made a break-through discovery!.. trash is a major
> deal
> if you remove everything you intend to toss out.. then the battle is
> almost over
> trash trash trash IM AMAZED>


At what?

> Is a lot of trash a sign of spending?

Still debating that one...jury is still out

Now this Is a very intersting subject & one that Is very close to my
heart.
I hear that we are going to be taxed on the recycling that we
generate.I
Personaly, I think that this is wrong.
1:How is that encouraging me to recycle?
2:Why should I be charged for what a manufacturer chooses to package a
product in?
3:Possibly, because the presentation of a product Is all to do with
consumerism.

> im having a ghetto esspresso

Forgive my ignorance, what is that then?
Personaly, I am back to a cup of rosy lea...
Good to see ya!
S:o)
S.

milk bone
December 31st 06, 05:57 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> I was just having a quiet chat with cyber about my attrocious spelling
> grammar ect, & this individual decided to climb up my snout..

can I see the picture?


> I am so sorry for telling you off the other day.

i mess around alot I can be a big hypocrite just to **** somebody off
i probably had it coming

>This a public apology
> for not allowing you to decapitate him on the spot.I should have you
> know!

not exactly someone you'd want to own

> He is gorgeousPukka!!Thanks for sharing the pic with us too
> S.

no prob

Im tiling the bedroom right now, 1/2 finished
Jupiter is helping, she moved all the kittens back into the box spring
(the other end)

they are real comfortable

bookie
December 31st 06, 03:59 PM
> I agree with you there.Sad though It is,I have seen It happen so many
> times, that I wouldn't contribute a single penny towards them.I would
> rather hand over the cash to the family personaly, or maybe some of the
> missions run by the nun's.Speaking of guns, you aew 100% correct there.
> In the place that my parents worked(sieromco, Mokanji) In Sierra
> Leone,There was a Mission very close by, where they ran a clinic for
> the sick & treated the locals for free.I knew all 3 nun's that ran it
> ,& they killed every single one of them, even though all they ever did
> was to strive to help them.I felt sick when I heard about it....
> S.

that is why i woudl not give towards any charities like the big ones,
alot of the money is wasted, and i rarely give money to street beggars,
i woudl rather give them actual food or clothing or something, if they
have a dog on a string i go get some dog food from the nearest shop and
give them that too, otherwise it might go on booze and the dog never
sees any of it.

my money always goes to animal charities or environmental charities, i
prefer to help clean up the damage man has done instead of helping
create more. Also I hate to sound anti-human but there are a hell of a
lot fo people in the world already, but too few tigers, elephants,
rhinos etc so to me it is obvious who needs saving now.

going to go pick up 54 now, how exciting! biggest win i ahve had,
only ever won a tenner or so before
bookie

January 2nd 07, 10:30 AM
sheelagh wrote:

> This in point of fact,Is very true indeed.Most of your posting's from
> the States are extreemly late @ night over here.We like conversing with
> you,which is why we make the effort.

You can still chat during your normal time frame. No need to post our
hours. I'm in the states, and I usually don't post during "our" hours
either since I am a severe night owl. By the time I get home from work,
there are lots of posts and emails for me to read.

On my cat email list, the first people to respond to me are from
England and Asutralia since they happen to be awake when I am sending
out my emails. But there are only a few on the list, so it is pretty
quiet at that time of day/night.

>

> I do however,take your point & will try a lot harder in future.I simply
> didn't realise just how much it got up your nose.I was going to say
> snout.But then thought about It & realised that you might take offense
> to the word.

Don't worry about it. I'm on a Harry Potter group, and the group is
probably 40% from the US, 40% for the UK, and about 20% everywhere
else. We have a great time learning different vocabulary. Granted, that
group is more mixed than many groups. But I think it is a great benefit
of the group to learn more about other cultures and vocabulary and not
just what we are used to. So, please, use your normal slang. If we
don't understand it, we can always ask (and learn).

sheelagh
January 2nd 07, 12:43 PM
wrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
>
> > This in point of fact,Is very true indeed.Most of your posting's from
> > the States are extreemly late @ night over here.We like conversing with
> > you,which is why we make the effort.
>
> You can still chat during your normal time frame. No need to post our
> hours. I'm in the states, and I usually don't post during "our" hours
> either since I am a severe night owl. By the time I get home from work,
> there are lots of posts and emails for me to read.

I know that we can, but I think that a lot of us over here think
slightly differently., in as far as we treat posting rather like an
instant mail service rather than a posting~I can't speak for everyone,
but In my case It is certainly nice to hear a reply to some questions
in the same session.
> On my cat email list, the first people to respond to me are from
> England and Asutralia since they happen to be awake when I am sending
> out my emails. But there are only a few on the list, so it is pretty
> quiet at that time of day/night.
It is nice to walk through the door and get mail of the "non manilla
type", doesn't It lol?
> > I do however,take your point & will try a lot harder in future.I simply
> > didn't realise just how much it got up your nose.I was going to say
> > snout.But then thought about It & realised that you might take offense
> > to the word.

I think we Brit's are slightly more aware that Usa Is now just a
country, It is als a continent too, so we are far more aware of time
difference I supose?Without actually pinning someone down & asking
where they live,(which I think that we consider as quite rude).You have
eastern time & western time too, don't you?

> Don't worry about it. I'm on a Harry Potter group, and the group is
> probably 40% from the US, 40% for the UK, and about 20% everywhere
> else. We have a great time learning different vocabulary. Granted, that
> group is more mixed than many groups. But I think it is a great benefit
> of the group to learn more about other cultures and vocabulary and not
> just what we are used to. So, please, use your normal slang. If we
> don't understand it, we can always ask (and learn).

Your right, I probably do worry far too much, but I think that In my
case It is because I am so aware that I haven't been litterate for all
that long.I can understand that some people do find It quite hard to
make head and tail about what I write though.I wouldn't go as far as
saying that people are too intolerarant of the way I write because It
wouldn't be true.I also don't mind when people point out spelling or
grammatical errors in my postings,It helps me to be more aware of what
I am doing wrong.As they say, practise makes perfect.As long as the
critisim is constructive, its fine.I find the abreviations the hardest
though......
On accents,I have to say that If I did write in our local dialect, you
probably wouldnt understand a word of what I was trying to convey,lol!!
However I do take your point though.I find other languages interesting
too

Interesting to hear that you are part of the Harry Potter group too.I
have never been in a reading post room before...I think that I might
find that quite interesting too.I have never read those books
personaly, but my daughter Kt loved them.I read a lot of fantasy
titles.I started with the Hobbit, then moved on to lord of the Rings, &
once I had finished them,I went on to Robert Jordan,Ian Irvine & George
R,Matrin.I trhough that they were brilliiant,lol!!
S.

milk bone
January 2nd 07, 12:59 PM
sheelagh wrote:

> I know that we can, but I think that a lot of us over here think
> slightly differently., in as far as we treat posting rather like an
> instant mail service rather than a posting~

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=health+and+behavior+sheelagh&spell=1

same link as

http://tinyurl.com/ygkosr

MaryL
January 2nd 07, 01:22 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> wrote:
>> sheelagh wrote:
<snip>
> I know that we can, but I think that a lot of us over here think
> slightly differently., in as far as we treat posting rather like an
> instant mail service rather than a posting~I can't speak for everyone,
> but In my case It is certainly nice to hear a reply to some questions
> in the same session.

I don't think that is practical as long as we have a diverse, international
group -- and I think that very diversity is a big benefit on a newsgroup.

>
> I think we Brit's are slightly more aware that Usa Is now just a
> country, It is als a continent too, so we are far more aware of time
> difference I supose?Without actually pinning someone down & asking
> where they live,(which I think that we consider as quite rude).You have
> eastern time & western time too, don't you?
>
Actually, the USA is a country and not a continent. That statement forgets
about Canada and Mexico.

--
MaryL
>
> S.
>

Matthew
January 2nd 07, 04:08 PM
You are about as bad as I am
I am retired so hours make no difference to me. I responded when I can.
Like last night I had to go met someone at the airport and I was chatting
out here just before that got home did some more chatting now back this
morning getting ready to go back to the airport


> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> sheelagh wrote:
>
>> This in point of fact,Is very true indeed.Most of your posting's from
>> the States are extreemly late @ night over here.We like conversing with
>> you,which is why we make the effort.
>
> You can still chat during your normal time frame. No need to post our
> hours. I'm in the states, and I usually don't post during "our" hours
> either since I am a severe night owl. By the time I get home from work,
> there are lots of posts and emails for me to read.
>
> On my cat email list, the first people to respond to me are from
> England and Asutralia since they happen to be awake when I am sending
> out my emails. But there are only a few on the list, so it is pretty
> quiet at that time of day/night.
>
>>
>
>> I do however,take your point & will try a lot harder in future.I simply
>> didn't realise just how much it got up your nose.I was going to say
>> snout.But then thought about It & realised that you might take offense
>> to the word.
>
> Don't worry about it. I'm on a Harry Potter group, and the group is
> probably 40% from the US, 40% for the UK, and about 20% everywhere
> else. We have a great time learning different vocabulary. Granted, that
> group is more mixed than many groups. But I think it is a great benefit
> of the group to learn more about other cultures and vocabulary and not
> just what we are used to. So, please, use your normal slang. If we
> don't understand it, we can always ask (and learn).
>

cybercat
January 2nd 07, 04:44 PM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
> You are about as bad as I am
> I am retired so hours make no difference to me.

I love keeping my own hours.

Matthew
January 2nd 07, 09:21 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Matthew" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You are about as bad as I am
>> I am retired so hours make no difference to me.
>
> I love keeping my own hours.
>

HELL YEAH THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT ;-)

cybercat
January 2nd 07, 09:34 PM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Matthew" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> You are about as bad as I am
>>> I am retired so hours make no difference to me.
>>
>> I love keeping my own hours.
>>
>
> HELL YEAH THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT ;-)
>

The only thing is? My inlaws, and sometimes my husband, tend to treat me
like a housewife. (When in fact my home-based business pays at least half of
our bills, including the mortgage.) They drop by, my MIL for a long time
expected me to take her shopping all day any day of the week, my husband
still arranged for cable guys and contractors to come without even thinking
about the fact that I might actually be working.

I guess he thinks I pull the money out of my ass. WHILE cooking for and
cleaning after his.

BUT I LOVE MY LIFE I GET TO KEEP MY OWN HOURS.

lol

January 2nd 07, 10:23 PM
sheelagh wrote:
> wrote:

> I think we Brit's are slightly more aware that Usa Is now just a
> country, It is als a continent too, so we are far more aware of time
> difference I supose?Without actually pinning someone down & asking
> where they live,(which I think that we consider as quite rude).You have
> eastern time & western time too, don't you?

We have several time zones. I am in Pacific Time since I am in
Washington State on the West Coast. There is also Mountain, Central,
and Eastern.

I'm a severe night owl, so I usually go to bed around 5 or 6 am. So, if
I do get to chatting with somebody in real time, it is usually a
morning person on the east coast, or somebody on the other side of the
world :)

sheelagh
January 3rd 07, 02:39 AM
>
> > I think we Brit's are slightly more aware that Usa Is now just a
> > country, It is als a continent too, so we are far more aware of time
> > difference I supose?Without actually pinning someone down & asking
> > where they live,(which I think that we consider as quite rude).You have
> > eastern time & western time too, don't you?
>
> We have several time zones. I am in Pacific Time since I am in
> Washington State on the West Coast. There is also Mountain, Central,
> and Eastern.

I knew I shouldn't have asked that one ,lol...Now I am utterly
confused.
Mind you, That doesn't take too much doing these days, as you might
have noticed:o)

> I'm a severe night owl, so I usually go to bed around 5 or 6 am. So, if
> I do get to chatting with somebody in real time, it is usually a
> morning person on the east coast, or somebody on the other side of the
> world :)
Same here.I was going to moan abnout being tiered earlier...then
thought the better of it.
There was no point as they would have landed on me like a pack of
grizzelies and told me that was all my own fault..so I just stiffled
the yawns and tried not to moan too much whilst waiting for the
Pc..(too much).
I am just as bad too...
S;o)

sheelagh
January 3rd 07, 02:45 AM
Matthew wrote:
> You are about as bad as I am
> I am retired so hours make no difference to me. I responded when I can.
> Like last night I had to go met someone at the airport and I was chatting
> out here just before that got home did some more chatting now back this
> morning getting ready to go back to the airport

48 hours & still goingfstrong(ish).I wish I was retired sometimes,It
sounds so attractive.Mind you, I bet that when I do get there, I will
no doubt moan about empty nest syndrome lol.

> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > sheelagh wrote:
> >
> >> This in point of fact,Is very true indeed.Most of your posting's from
> >> the States are extreemly late @ night over here.We like conversing with
> >> you,which is why we make the effort.
> >
> > You can still chat during your normal time frame. No need to post our
> > hours. I'm in the states, and I usually don't post during "our" hours
> > either since I am a severe night owl. By the time I get home from work,
> > there are lots of posts and emails for me to read.
> >
> > On my cat email list, the first people to respond to me are from
> > England and Asutralia since they happen to be awake when I am sending
> > out my emails. But there are only a few on the list, so it is pretty
> > quiet at that time of day/night.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I do however,take your point & will try a lot harder in future.I simply
> >> didn't realise just how much it got up your nose.I was going to say
> >> snout.But then thought about It & realised that you might take offense
> >> to the word.
> >
> > Don't worry about it. I'm on a Harry Potter group, and the group is
> > probably 40% from the US, 40% for the UK, and about 20% everywhere
> > else. We have a great time learning different vocabulary. Granted, that
> > group is more mixed than many groups. But I think it is a great benefit
> > of the group to learn more about other cultures and vocabulary and not
> > just what we are used to. So, please, use your normal slang. If we
> > don't understand it, we can always ask (and learn).

Ask away, I would be only to pleased to help out on that one.It Is so
easy to forget yourself & out it comes.

I usually notice all of the mistakes, after I press the post button, by
which time It is a bit tooooooo late,lol
S:o)

sheelagh
January 3rd 07, 02:46 AM
Matthew wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Matthew" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> You are about as bad as I am
> >> I am retired so hours make no difference to me.
> >
> > I love keeping my own hours.

> HELL YEAH THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT ;-)
<Green With envy lol>
S:o)

sheelagh
January 3rd 07, 03:01 AM
cybercat wrote:
> "Matthew" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "cybercat" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Matthew" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> You are about as bad as I am
> >>> I am retired so hours make no difference to me.
> >>
> >> I love keeping my own hours.
> >>
> >
> > HELL YEAH THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT ;-)
> >
>
> The only thing is? My inlaws, and sometimes my husband, tend to treat me
> like a housewife. (When in fact my home-based business pays at least half of
> our bills, including the mortgage.) They drop by, my MIL for a long time
> expected me to take her shopping all day any day of the week, my husband
> still arranged for cable guys and contractors to come without even thinking
> about the fact that I might actually be working.

Now this Is one that I can relate to ~I live in the same village as my
mother in law as well as my own mother, both of whom think I have
nothing better to do than, taken them shopping, down to the
hairdressers, the kids nust cook for themselves,the washing magically
appears in the the airing cuppboard, the hoover is on automatic pilot,
& the washer loads it's self, then walks out to them line to dry, in
between ironing it's self,... our cats can open tins, the litters self
dispose & clearing up after & just*happens*.The washing up jumps in the
sink & dry's it's self, the cats walk themselve's alongside grooming at
the same time, & in between carting the bins our front, they walk back
in the garden too(we wont mention the grass that cuts it's self ,then
Paul, who Is disabled manges everything he needs doing himself...that
Is why we built the downstairs extension~ so It can function on
automsatic too.I can remember my mum telling me about this wonderful
product just came out on the market, & when I asked what It was, she
had the blooming cheek to say, "it's called Elbow Grease,lol"
>
> I guess he thinks I pull the money out of my ass. WHILE cooking for and
> cleaning after his.
>
> BUT I LOVE MY LIFE I GET TO KEEP MY OWN HOURS.
I sure as hell get them though...between 3am & 5am...why am I moaning
lol??!!!
S;o)

rachel polanskis
January 5th 07, 06:34 AM
In article m>,
"sheelagh" > wrote:

Supplement their regular diet with chicken fat, skin and wings and
necks. They will put on weight but you can't feed them that
forever!


rachel