Update on the cat. He seems to be doing better on the Baytril and has
not had any inappropriate elimination. There are two more days of
Baytril left and I am planning on taking him to a different vet
afterwards and see if he can get a clean bill of health and to make
sure that there will not be another relapse. The one observation I have
made is that he has become extremely clingy and basically wants to sit
on me whenever I am home --> he is very agressive about it. Overall he
is more active and has started to fight with the other cat again.
On Jan 12, 9:56 am, "Cat Slave" >
> <<I wouldn't keep him on Baytril too long- it can cause blindness- even
> at the > new, reduced dose of 5 mg/kg/day. Are you feeding him a canned
> diet? It will help flush small crystalline particles from the bladder
> before they accrete into crystals. A canned diet will also dillute
> noxious substances in the urine and decrease bladder contact ime with
> Thanks for the info on the Baytril. I was not aware of the side effect
> on vision. He has 4 more days to go until this course is completed. I
> would be hesitant to stop the antibiotics early since that seems to be
> one of the contributors to many resistant bacteria strains we are
> seeing today. When he was young he got very ill after having been
> neutered and lost his sense of smell and almost died since he refused
> to eat. That was in 2002. It seems my old post from back then is still
> Anyway, ever since that close encounter with death the cat has never
> ever touched wet food. He would probably starve before touching
> anything wet. He does like the cat milk stuff they sell at the grocery
> store though --> would that work for flushing him. He does eat live
> "wet food" since whatever bugs and critters he catches he eats and he
> has caught unfortunate animals on the balcony a few times that got
> consumed. So theoretically......
> The Baytril seems to work to some degree and he has not urinated around
> the house since yesterday morning. Would you expect that even if gets
> better that he will get worse again when he gets off the Baytril?
> On Jan 12, 12:26 am, "Phil P." > wrote:
> > "Cat Slave" > wrote in oglegroups.com...
> > > Hi Phil,
> > > Yes, a urine analysis was completed.A routine urinalysis usually doesn't include bacterial culture or crystal
> > analysis unless you request them.
> > I never saw any result sheet that
> > > would indicate the details of what type of actual crystal etc were
> > > involved but when talking to the vet I was told that the can had a
> > > urinary tract infection and a fairly high PH level. He also mentioned
> > > something about traces of blood in the urine and crystals.Blood and pH could have been determined by dipstick (urinalysis reagent
> > strips)- and not necessarily by a complete urinalysis. And cursory
> > microscopic examination of the crystals gives only a tentative indication of
> > their composition. I'd want a definitive identification of the crystals
> > before I'd select a diet.
> > After the
> > > initial start of the treatment the cat seemed to get better. As I
> > > mentioned he is on his second round of Baytril and tomorrow will be his
> > > third day. He seems a little better tonight and has not had any
> > > inapproriate elimination since I got home about three hours ago. The
> > > nervous impulse behaviour that you described seems to fit his behaviour
> > > this morning perfectly he was peeing every five minutes in various
> > > places.Sure sounds like interstitial cystitis. A cat can't produce a full bladder
> > of urine that quickly.
> > I will see if I can find out from the vet what kind of crystals
> > > were found in his urine. Until then I will continue with Baytril and
> > > Torbutrol.I wouldn't keep him on Baytril too long- it can cause blindness- even at the
> > new, reduced dose of 5 mg/kg/day. Are you feeding him a canned diet? It
> > will help flush small crystalline particles from the bladder before they
> > accrete into crystals. A canned diet will also dillute noxious substances in
> > the urine and decrease bladder contact time with urine.
> > Best of luck,
> > Phil
> > > On Jan 11, 7:44 pm, "Phil P." > wrote:
> > > > "Cat Slave" > wrote inmessagenews:[email protected]
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > My male cat (about 5 years old, indoor only, 2 cats in the house) has
> > > > > been having a persistent urinary tract infection for about 3 weeks. He
> > > > > was initially diagnosed around Xmas and was taken to the vet who took
> > a
> > > > > urin sample and diagnosed him with UTI/crystalls.Did your vet actuallyanalyze the urine and examine the urine sediment and
> > > > culture the urine or did he just assume your cat had UTI based on
> > > > symptoms?-- that is very important. Contrary to popular belief, most
> > cats
> > > > with bacterial UTIs don't have any symptoms at all. Also, UTIs are
> > rather
> > > > uncommon (<5%) in cats as young as yours- partly because of the high
> > > > osmolality of feline urine- and partly because of the acidity.
> > > > The symptoms that your cat has been displaying are symptomatic of Feline
> > > > Interstitial Cystitis- which is basically inflammation of the bladder.
> > He's
> > > > probably associating the pain that he feels when he pees with the litter
> > > > box. That's probably why he's urinating all over the place. The
> > inflammation
> > > > can be can be caused by crystals irritating and cutting the bladder
> > > > epithelium or by a defect in the glycosaminoglycan (GAG) layer that
> > coats
> > > > the bladder epithelium-- either or can permit urine to penetrate the
> > > > urothelium and induce inflammation. In cats, inflammation in the
> > bladder
> > > > and/or urethra causes a nervous sensation that mimics the feeling of a
> > full
> > > > bladder. The nervous impulses that control the urge to pee are
> > recurrently
> > > > stimulated so that the urge to pee is constant whether his bladder is
> > full
> > > > or empty.
> > > > Did your vet analyze the crystals? or did automatically assume they're
> > > > struvite? Years ago struvite would have been a good guess. But since
> > the
> > > > advent of acidified, magnesium-restricted "urinary tract health" diets
> > > > calcium oxalate crystals are just as- if not more common than struvite.
> > > > Definitive identification of the crystals is absolutely imperative!
> > Feeding
> > > > an urine-alkalinizing diet to a cat with struvite crystalluria can be
> > > > *disastrous*-- and could lead quickly to struvite urolithiasis and
> > complete
> > > > obstruction of the lower urinary tract. A urinary tract obstruction
> > produces
> > > > a pathophysiologic state equivalent to oliguric acute renal failure and
> > > > death if not relieved within 24-36 hours. So, make sure you know which
> > type
> > > > of crystals your cat has before choosing a diet. In either case a
> > canned
> > > > diet is best.
> > > > Another reason for analyzing the crystals (especially the core) is to
> > > > determine if they were caused by bacteria. Certain urease-producing
> > bacteria
> > > > (especially staphylococci and sometimes proteus) can produce
> > > > "infection-induced struvite".
> > > > On the outside chance your cat does have a persistent UTI, its
> > imperative
> > > > your vet clears it up ASAP. If he can't, find a vet who can. Persistent
> > > > UTIs can lead to pyelonephritis with progressive renal scarring and
> > eventual
> > > > renal failure.
> > > > Let me know about the urinalysis and crystal determination. I might be
> > able
> > > > to give you some useful information.
> > > > Best of luck,
> > > > Phil- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -