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jennd via CatKB.com
February 21st 07, 03:19 PM
Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a
way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy
road when he was small enough to fit curled up in my hand. That was 9 or 10
years ago. He was fairly healthy for several years, then had some foul-
smelling diarrhea that persisted. Our vet treated him with metronidazole,
then panacur, albon, amoxicillin, and steroids (over two or three years).
They have drawn blood and found no abnormalities-several times. They have
done fecal smears and floats and send-outs. One time a single Giardia cast
was found, nothing else on the other tests.

We have 3 indoor-only cats, but Lucky has slipped out a time or two and
chewed on grass outside the front door. The other two are healthy and on the
chunky side. They all eat dry food, with occasional treats of canned. None
of them are picky and the food is available at all times, two self-refilling
feeders with two watering bottles, each set in a different room in case one
of them is feeling shy.

Poor Lucky vomits 2-3 times per week, usually partly digested food. His
stool is still foul-smelling liquid, and he does have occasional accidents
before he gets to the litter box (there are 4 of those around the house). He
weighs only about 7 pounds and looks so skinny, but acts fairly normal except
for sometimes crying after bouts of diarrhea. We have tried multiple
holistic and natural things such as pumpkin, rice, mashed potatoes, meat-
chicken, turkey, beef (kinda hard for us, as we are vegetarians, but we know
he loves it), and even beef and turkey-only baby food. He's been on many of
the Science diets and is currently eating Avoderm. We have added probiotics,
used Bene-bac, Benefiber or Acacia powder to try to add bulk. We're
currently giving him Gastrigen capsules, a Chinese herbal med from Thorne
Vetrinary.

Our vet has been so kind, but has no idea what to do for him, and has
recently offered another round of metronidazole and amox together or to refer
us to a larger city for scoping (which we would rather not put him through,
especially because she doesn't think they would find anything, but possible
IBS-which we are trying to treat him for). She has ruled out hyperthyroidism,
pancreatitis, lymphoma, flv and fiv. He does have a heart murmur. He was
only vaccinated when we first got him, as hubby took him to get looked over
right away when he found him.

If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we are
willing to try almost anything.

Thank you!
JennD

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cybercat
February 21st 07, 05:28 PM
"jennd via CatKB.com" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we
> are
> willing to try almost anything.
>
>

Jenn, if the vet has addressed all of the medical issues, all I can think
of is changing his food. Keep trying until you find something that
firms up his stools. It could be an allergic reaction, or just an
intolerance issue.

Kudos to you for caring enough about your cat to come to the
newsgroup to ask this question AFTER you've already cared
enough to take him to the vet repeatedly.

The real test of love is when you put your money where your
heart is. I hope you figure it out.

mlbriggs
February 21st 07, 06:29 PM
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:20 +0000, jennd via CatKB.com wrote:

> Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a
> way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy
> road when he was small enough to fit curled up in my hand. That was 9 or 10
> years ago. He was fairly healthy for several years, then had some foul-
> smelling diarrhea that persisted. Our vet treated him with metronidazole,
> then panacur, albon, amoxicillin, and steroids (over two or three years).
> They have drawn blood and found no abnormalities-several times. They have
> done fecal smears and floats and send-outs. One time a single Giardia cast
> was found, nothing else on the other tests.
>
> We have 3 indoor-only cats, but Lucky has slipped out a time or two and
> chewed on grass outside the front door. The other two are healthy and on the
> chunky side. They all eat dry food, with occasional treats of canned. None
> of them are picky and the food is available at all times, two self-refilling
> feeders with two watering bottles, each set in a different room in case one
> of them is feeling shy.
>
> Poor Lucky vomits 2-3 times per week, usually partly digested food. His
> stool is still foul-smelling liquid, and he does have occasional accidents
> before he gets to the litter box (there are 4 of those around the house). He
> weighs only about 7 pounds and looks so skinny, but acts fairly normal except
> for sometimes crying after bouts of diarrhea. We have tried multiple
> holistic and natural things such as pumpkin, rice, mashed potatoes, meat-
> chicken, turkey, beef (kinda hard for us, as we are vegetarians, but we know
> he loves it), and even beef and turkey-only baby food. He's been on many of
> the Science diets and is currently eating Avoderm. We have added probiotics,
> used Bene-bac, Benefiber or Acacia powder to try to add bulk. We're
> currently giving him Gastrigen capsules, a Chinese herbal med from Thorne
> Vetrinary.
>
> Our vet has been so kind, but has no idea what to do for him, and has
> recently offered another round of metronidazole and amox together or to refer
> us to a larger city for scoping (which we would rather not put him through,
> especially because she doesn't think they would find anything, but possible
> IBS-which we are trying to treat him for). She has ruled out hyperthyroidism,
> pancreatitis, lymphoma, flv and fiv. He does have a heart murmur. He was
> only vaccinated when we first got him, as hubby took him to get looked over
> right away when he found him.
>
> If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we are
> willing to try almost anything.
>
> Thank you!
> JennD


First of all, I am not an expert on cat diets. However, it seems to me
that there have been too many diet changes. Medicines can cause
intestinal upsets and food changes can too. Why not try giving her just
one food that she will accept and not make any change for a while to see
how that goes? Best wishes. MLB

dgk
February 21st 07, 07:00 PM
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:20 GMT, "jennd via CatKB.com" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a
>way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy
>road when he was small enough to fit curled up in my hand. That was 9 or 10
>years ago. He was fairly healthy for several years, then had some foul-
>smelling diarrhea that persisted. Our vet treated him with metronidazole,
>then panacur, albon, amoxicillin, and steroids (over two or three years).
>They have drawn blood and found no abnormalities-several times. They have
>done fecal smears and floats and send-outs. One time a single Giardia cast
>was found, nothing else on the other tests.
>...

Sure sounds like ibd(s). There is a whole Yahoo group that deals with
this: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/

cybercat
February 21st 07, 07:13 PM
"mlbriggs" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:20 +0000, jennd via CatKB.com wrote:
>
>>
>> before he gets to the litter box (there are 4 of those around the house).
>> He
>> weighs only about 7 pounds and looks so skinny, but acts fairly normal
>> except
>> for sometimes crying after bouts of diarrhea. We have tried multiple
>> holistic and natural things such as pumpkin, rice, mashed potatoes, meat-
>> chicken, turkey, beef (kinda hard for us, as we are vegetarians, but we
>> know
>> he loves it), and even beef and turkey-only baby food. He's been on many
>> of
>> the Science diets and is currently eating Avoderm. We have added
>> probiotics,
>> used Bene-bac, Benefiber or Acacia powder to try to add bulk. We're
>> currently giving him Gastrigen capsules, a Chinese herbal med from Thorne
>> Vetrinary.
>
>
> First of all, I am not an expert on cat diets. However, it seems to me
> that there have been too many diet changes. Medicines can cause
> intestinal upsets and food changes can too. Why not try giving her just
> one food that she will accept and not make any change for a while to see
> how that goes? Best wishes. MLB
>
All I see above is Science Diet and Avo Derm, both full of grain--and
some homemade food that is not designed for cats.

He might do better on a canned food that has little or no grain. Grain
is the thing most allergic cats are allergic to.

jennd via CatKB.com
February 21st 07, 07:21 PM
cybercat wrote:
>> If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we
>> are
>> willing to try almost anything.
>
>Jenn, if the vet has addressed all of the medical issues, all I can think
>of is changing his food. Keep trying until you find something that
>firms up his stools. It could be an allergic reaction, or just an
>intolerance issue.
>
>Kudos to you for caring enough about your cat to come to the
>newsgroup to ask this question AFTER you've already cared
>enough to take him to the vet repeatedly.
>
>The real test of love is when you put your money where your
>heart is. I hope you figure it out.


Thanks, Cybercat! We do continue to do gradual diet changes. I think we're
going to try some raw organic beef, though the thought of it makes me a
little queasy. Thank you for the kudos- we truly do love our little
furbabies and suffer greatly when they do!
God bless,
JennD

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cybercat
February 21st 07, 07:21 PM
"cybercat" > wrote
> All I see above is Science Diet and Avo Derm, both full of grain--and
> some homemade food that is not designed for cats.
>
> He might do better on a canned food that has little or no grain. Grain
> is the thing most allergic cats are allergic to.
>
Slight correction: Avoderm dry is full of grains, like all dry food.
Avoderm Select Cuts Chicken is a wonderful canned food that
has no grain at all.

To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your
cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has
a grain allergy. Hard as it may be, if you keep the dry away
from him, and feed him canned food only that has as its first
ingredients real beef, chicken, lamb, etc., and no grains added,
you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some
varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine.

I have a cat with terrible allergies, just what my vet calls "all
over itchiness" that makes her miserable. Changing her to
canned that has no grain made all the difference. It may
be the same with your cat, but his reaction is gastrointestinal
distress instead of itching. It's worth a try! And easier than
trying to make the meat on your own. (The canned food
has taurine and other things your cat needs, that homemade
"people food" may not have.) Good luck!

jennd via CatKB.com
February 21st 07, 07:22 PM
mlbriggs wrote:
>> Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a
>> way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy
>[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>> Thank you!
>> JennD
>
>First of all, I am not an expert on cat diets. However, it seems to me
>that there have been too many diet changes. Medicines can cause
>intestinal upsets and food changes can too. Why not try giving her just
>one food that she will accept and not make any change for a while to see
>how that goes? Best wishes. MLB

Thanks, MLB! These diet changes have been gradual and over the period of the
past 4 years or so. We do keep on one type for at least 6-8 weeks before
giving up on it. He will eat almost anything, so it is not as frustrating as
it could be to switch. Will keep searching.
God bless,
Jenn D

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jennd via CatKB.com
February 21st 07, 07:27 PM
dgk wrote:
>>Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a
>>way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy
>[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>was found, nothing else on the other tests.
>>...
>
>Sure sounds like ibd(s). There is a whole Yahoo group that deals with
>this: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD/

Hi, DGK! Thanks for the direction. I may need to join that group. We have
tried IBD-friendly foods and haven't seen success, but there may be some out
there that we haven't heard of.
God bless,
JennD

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Rene S.
February 21st 07, 07:32 PM
On Feb 21, 1:21 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote> All I see above is Science Diet and Avo Derm, both full of grain--and
> > some homemade food that is not designed for cats.
>
> > He might do better on a canned food that has little or no grain. Grain
> > is the thing most allergic cats are allergic to.
>
> Slight correction: Avoderm dry is full of grains, like all dry food.
> Avoderm Select Cuts Chicken is a wonderful canned food that
> has no grain at all.
>
> To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your
> cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has
> a grain allergy. Hard as it may be, if you keep the dry away
> from him, and feed him canned food only that has as its first
> ingredients real beef, chicken, lamb, etc., and no grains added,
> you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some
> varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine.

I agree with this. Wellness (canned) is another excellent brand that
has no grains.

jennd via CatKB.com
February 21st 07, 07:34 PM
>To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your
>cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has
>a grain allergy. Hard as it may be, if you keep the dry away
>from him, and feed him canned food only that has as its first
>ingredients real beef, chicken, lamb, etc., and no grains added,
>you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some
>varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine.
>
>I have a cat with terrible allergies, just what my vet calls "all
>over itchiness" that makes her miserable. Changing her to
>canned that has no grain made all the difference. It may
>be the same with your cat, but his reaction is gastrointestinal
>distress instead of itching. It's worth a try! And easier than
>trying to make the meat on your own. (The canned food
>has taurine and other things your cat needs, that homemade
>"people food" may not have.) Good luck!


Thanks again, Cybercat! In the past, canned food has caused explosive
diarrhea, but it was not an exclusive diet. We will have to talk to the
other two kitties or probably isolate Lucky, but it is worth a try to keep
the dry away from him altogether. I do appreciate everyone's input. This
has been a warm welcome!
JD

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Lynne
February 21st 07, 07:50 PM
on Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:21:33 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> To the OP, you may be vegetarians, but as you realize, your
> cat is an obligate carnivore. I would bet you anything he has
> a grain allergy. Hard as it may be, if you keep the dry away
> from him, and feed him canned food only that has as its first
> ingredients real beef, chicken, lamb, etc., and no grains added,
> you may see an improvement. Avoderm canned or even some
> varieties of Fancy Feast will do fine.

That was my first thought. Canned food with no grains is really the best
option to at least try. If he won't accept wet food, try Felidae Chicken
and Rice dry and try to gradually accustom him to wet food.

http://www.canidae.com/cats/chicken_and_rice/dry.html

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Rhonda
February 22nd 07, 12:15 AM
Hi there,

Poor kitty! Sounds like he has been through a lot. That's good that
you're still trying everything to help him.

I would try to isolate foods first too. We had a cat with suspected food
allergies and pancreatitus flare-ups (throwing up and yellowish diarrhea
- sorry, I should have warned you.) We had him on IVD brand canned diet,
an allergy food. Those foods have no grain and have one novel protein,
like duck or venison, and one starch, like peas. The idea is to give
them a limited ingredient food that has things that are different enough
that they are safe for cats who have allergies to cat food. I would
really suggest trying that. Don't let him sneak the other cat's food
either or that would ruin any changes you're trying to accomplish.

If that doesn't help, I'd ask for a referral to an internist vet. They
are specialists and are normally good at pinpointing problems. You do
need a referral though to make an appt.

Good luck!

Rhonda

jennd via CatKB.com wrote:
> Hi, all! I'm new here. Just found the site yesterday while trying to find a
> way to help my kitty, Lucky. My husband found him in the middle of a busy
> road when he was small enough to fit curled up in my hand. That was 9 or 10
> years ago. He was fairly healthy for several years, then had some foul-
> smelling diarrhea that persisted. Our vet treated him with metronidazole,
> then panacur, albon, amoxicillin, and steroids (over two or three years).
> They have drawn blood and found no abnormalities-several times. They have
> done fecal smears and floats and send-outs. One time a single Giardia cast
> was found, nothing else on the other tests.
>
> We have 3 indoor-only cats, but Lucky has slipped out a time or two and
> chewed on grass outside the front door. The other two are healthy and on the
> chunky side. They all eat dry food, with occasional treats of canned. None
> of them are picky and the food is available at all times, two self-refilling
> feeders with two watering bottles, each set in a different room in case one
> of them is feeling shy.
>
> Poor Lucky vomits 2-3 times per week, usually partly digested food. His
> stool is still foul-smelling liquid, and he does have occasional accidents
> before he gets to the litter box (there are 4 of those around the house). He
> weighs only about 7 pounds and looks so skinny, but acts fairly normal except
> for sometimes crying after bouts of diarrhea. We have tried multiple
> holistic and natural things such as pumpkin, rice, mashed potatoes, meat-
> chicken, turkey, beef (kinda hard for us, as we are vegetarians, but we know
> he loves it), and even beef and turkey-only baby food. He's been on many of
> the Science diets and is currently eating Avoderm. We have added probiotics,
> used Bene-bac, Benefiber or Acacia powder to try to add bulk. We're
> currently giving him Gastrigen capsules, a Chinese herbal med from Thorne
> Vetrinary.
>
> Our vet has been so kind, but has no idea what to do for him, and has
> recently offered another round of metronidazole and amox together or to refer
> us to a larger city for scoping (which we would rather not put him through,
> especially because she doesn't think they would find anything, but possible
> IBS-which we are trying to treat him for). She has ruled out hyperthyroidism,
> pancreatitis, lymphoma, flv and fiv. He does have a heart murmur. He was
> only vaccinated when we first got him, as hubby took him to get looked over
> right away when he found him.
>
> If anyone is still reading, bless you! If anyone has any suggestions, we are
> willing to try almost anything.
>
> Thank you!
> JennD
>