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Smartin
April 8th 07, 10:52 PM
Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
litter that has been reused for months on end...

We have four boxes and use clumping litter with sifting pan liners.
Every week we sift out the clumpy bits, add a generous sprinkle of
deodorizer to the box, and top off with a little fresh litter.

This works great for quite some time, but eventually the deodorizer
makes the litter quite dusty, and I suspect there is an accumulation of
odor I do not detect but the kitties do.

So, it's time to change out all the little boxes! Aside from paying the
rubbish hauler to take away many pounds of smelly litter, is there
anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
Make a pinata for bad kids?

--
Smartin

Joe Canuck
April 9th 07, 12:09 AM
Smartin wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
> litter that has been reused for months on end...
>
> We have four boxes and use clumping litter with sifting pan liners.
> Every week we sift out the clumpy bits, add a generous sprinkle of
> deodorizer to the box, and top off with a little fresh litter.
>
> This works great for quite some time, but eventually the deodorizer
> makes the litter quite dusty, and I suspect there is an accumulation of
> odor I do not detect but the kitties do.
>
> So, it's time to change out all the little boxes! Aside from paying the
> rubbish hauler to take away many pounds of smelly litter, is there
> anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
> Make a pinata for bad kids?
>

Is your litter clay based?

If so, you can simply disperse it in a forested area near your home...
this way the clay returns to nature instead of clogging up a landfill.

Don't make a huge pile of the stuff, but rather spread it about.

Other than that, because it is used and smelly I cannot see another use
for it.

MaryL
April 9th 07, 12:40 AM
"Smartin" > wrote in message
...
> Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
> litter that has been reused for months on end...
>
> We have four boxes and use clumping litter with sifting pan liners. Every
> week we sift out the clumpy bits, add a generous sprinkle of deodorizer to
> the box, and top off with a little fresh litter.
>
> This works great for quite some time, but eventually the deodorizer makes
> the litter quite dusty, and I suspect there is an accumulation of odor I
> do not detect but the kitties do.
>
> So, it's time to change out all the little boxes! Aside from paying the
> rubbish hauler to take away many pounds of smelly litter, is there
> anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
> Make a pinata for bad kids?
>
> --
> Smartin

Do *not* use it in your garden. Vegetables should not be grown in cat
litter, and the litter would serve as an attractant to other cats that would
dig in the soil (which you probably would not like, even in a flower bed).
If you have a field or wooded area, you could spread it lightly over the
area -- but I think your best option would be to simply dispose of it with
your trash.

MaryL

IBen Getiner
April 9th 07, 04:23 AM
On Apr 8, 5:52?pm, Smartin > wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
> litter that has been reused for months on end...
>


Got any enemies...?


IBen Getiner

Moongal
April 9th 07, 12:22 PM
"Smartin" > wrote in message
...
> Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
> litter that has been reused for months on end...
>
> We have four boxes and use clumping litter with sifting pan liners. Every
> week we sift out the clumpy bits, add a generous sprinkle of deodorizer to
> the box, and top off with a little fresh litter.
>
> This works great for quite some time, but eventually the deodorizer makes
> the litter quite dusty, and I suspect there is an accumulation of odor I
> do not detect but the kitties do.
>
> So, it's time to change out all the little boxes! Aside from paying the
> rubbish hauler to take away many pounds of smelly litter, is there
> anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
> Make a pinata for bad kids?
>
> --
> Smartin

Is it expensive to just throw it out? I do it about every 3 months, I put
each box in a large garbage bag (I have 4 large litter boxes), litter and
all - I usually triple bag each one, and just leave it with my regular
trash, but there is no cost for me

MoMo via CatKB.com
April 9th 07, 02:18 PM
Same here. I just throw out my litter every couple of days. I keep a double
lined plastic bag next to litter box which I clean out 3 to 4 times a day and
then every couple of days I just take that out to the trash with my regular
garbage. I go through a 14 lb. box of Fresh Step every other week.

Moongal wrote:
>> Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
>> litter that has been reused for months on end...
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>> anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
>> Make a pinata for bad kids?
>
>Is it expensive to just throw it out? I do it about every 3 months, I put
>each box in a large garbage bag (I have 4 large litter boxes), litter and
>all - I usually triple bag each one, and just leave it with my regular
>trash, but there is no cost for me

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sheelagh
April 9th 07, 02:24 PM
On 9 Apr, 00:40, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:
> "Smartin" > wrote in message
>
> ...
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>
>
> > Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
> > litter that has been reused for months on end...
>
> > We have four boxes and use clumping litter with sifting pan liners. Every
> > week we sift out the clumpy bits, add a generous sprinkle of deodorizer to
> > the box, and top off with a little fresh litter.
>
> > This works great for quite some time, but eventually the deodorizer makes
> > the litter quite dusty, and I suspect there is an accumulation of odor I
> > do not detect but the kitties do.
>
> > So, it's time to change out all the little boxes! Aside from paying the
> > rubbish hauler to take away many pounds of smelly litter, is there
> > anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
> > Make a pinata for bad kids?
>
> > --
> > Smartin
>
> Do *not* use it in your garden. Vegetables should not be grown in cat
> litter, and the litter would serve as an attractant to other cats that would
> dig in the soil (which you probably would not like, even in a flower bed).
> If you have a field or wooded area, you could spread it lightly over the
> area -- but I think your best option would be to simply dispose of it with
> your trash.
>
> MaryL- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Us Uk'ers ( BRITS) have got to think of a solution fairly smartly,
because in the very near future we expect to be charged by kilo of
waste that we dispose of.
In my area there is a pilot scheme starting quite soon, & we are very
concerned about how we are going to get around this exact problem...

As you can imagine, we are very worride about this, because there are
a lot of families who simply can't afford to pay for cat litter to be
disposed of in the conventional way. There are those that would say
that this is all part of being a responsible cat owner, but there are
others who would argue that when they got their pet cat, that this was
never a problem that they anticipated, which is quite true!

Our biggest concern is that People will simply dump it any old where,
because of the expense involved.

How do we get around this problem?
S;o)

Lynne
April 9th 07, 03:19 PM
on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:22:58 GMT, "Moongal" >
wrote:

> Is it expensive to just throw it out? I do it about every 3 months, I
> put each box in a large garbage bag (I have 4 large litter boxes),
> litter and all - I usually triple bag each one, and just leave it with
> my regular trash, but there is no cost for me

The "cost" for disposing of cat litter is the space it takes up in the
landfills. Finding alternate means of disposal is a very good idea for
everyone. Even better, use something that can be recycled, like pine
pellets, newspaper based litter, or wheat based litter, which can be
composted after use.

--
Lynne

Jennifer
April 9th 07, 04:26 PM
On Apr 9, 7:19 am, Lynne > wrote:
> The "cost" for disposing of cat litter is the space it takes up in the
> landfills. Finding alternate means of disposal is a very good idea for
> everyone. Even better, use something that can be recycled, like pine
> pellets, newspaper based litter, or wheat based litter, which can be
> composted after use.

Of course, composting litter is not exactly easy in some areas. A
decent-sized composter, one big enough to handle loads of cat litter,
takes up a pretty decent amount of space. Plus, it takes time for all
that to break down, and when I was doing it, we were generating too
much cat litter for the (large) composter to keep up even with
frequent turning and watering, especially in the winter. After three
months, there was more cat litter than grass clippings, leaves, and
kitchen scraps. Even when the litter looks like it's done composting,
to be safe, you still shouldn't use it on vegetables because you can't
guarantee that the bits of mixed-in feces got hot enough to kill all
the microorganisms.

There is another benefit to using the natural materials litters
though, besides being healthier for your cats and better for the
environment. They are much, much lighter; at least the wheat and pine
ones are. So, if you're getting charged per kilo of waste, you'll
save money by using the lighter material. Note also that some of them
are flushable. I know Swheat Scoop is. So, you're generating less
poundage (kilo-age? ;) just from the stuff you can flush instead of
bag.

--
Jennifer

Lynne
April 9th 07, 04:36 PM
on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:26:15 GMT, "Jennifer" > wrote:

> Of course, composting litter is not exactly easy in some areas. A
> decent-sized composter, one big enough to handle loads of cat litter,
> takes up a pretty decent amount of space. Plus, it takes time for all
> that to break down, and when I was doing it, we were generating too
> much cat litter for the (large) composter to keep up even with
> frequent turning and watering, especially in the winter. After three
> months, there was more cat litter than grass clippings, leaves, and
> kitchen scraps. Even when the litter looks like it's done composting,
> to be safe, you still shouldn't use it on vegetables because you can't
> guarantee that the bits of mixed-in feces got hot enough to kill all
> the microorganisms.

I have no problem using composted pine cat litter in planting beds, but I
*definitely* would not use it on a vegetable garden. I haven't had one
in a while, but am planting one here again this year. I may do a second
compost pile just for the vegetable garden, with no cat litter/sawdust.

With just two cats, I don't have too much sawdust to compost. I also
have a place I can just spread it (on my property), if for some reason I
don't want to compost it all. I wonder if there would be any businesses
interested in having the sawdust for recycling? There's a paper shredder
company here who will shred your documents for free (while you watch for
the untrusting types) and they sell the shredded paper for manufacturing
something-or-other. Win-win.

--
Lynne

Smartin
April 10th 07, 12:10 AM
Smartin wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has creative ideas for what to do with old cat
> litter that has been reused for months on end...
>
> We have four boxes and use clumping litter with sifting pan liners.
> Every week we sift out the clumpy bits, add a generous sprinkle of
> deodorizer to the box, and top off with a little fresh litter.
>
> This works great for quite some time, but eventually the deodorizer
> makes the litter quite dusty, and I suspect there is an accumulation of
> odor I do not detect but the kitties do.
>
> So, it's time to change out all the little boxes! Aside from paying the
> rubbish hauler to take away many pounds of smelly litter, is there
> anything useful I could do with it? Maybe in the compost, or the garden?
> Make a pinata for bad kids?
>

Thank you to all who responded!

--
Smartin

sheelagh
April 10th 07, 01:59 AM
On 9 Apr, 16:36, Lynne > wrote:
> on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:26:15 GMT, "Jennifer" > wrote:
>
> > Of course, composting litter is not exactly easy in some areas. A
> > decent-sized composter, one big enough to handle loads of cat litter,
> > takes up a pretty decent amount of space. Plus, it takes time for all
> > that to break down, and when I was doing it, we were generating too
> > much cat litter for the (large) composter to keep up even with
> > frequent turning and watering, especially in the winter. After three
> > months, there was more cat litter than grass clippings, leaves, and
> > kitchen scraps. Even when the litter looks like it's done composting,
> > to be safe, you still shouldn't use it on vegetables because you can't
> > guarantee that the bits of mixed-in feces got hot enough to kill all
> > the microorganisms.
>
> I have no problem using composted pine cat litter in planting beds, but I
> *definitely* would not use it on a vegetable garden. I haven't had one
> in a while, but am planting one here again this year. I may do a second
> compost pile just for the vegetable garden, with no cat litter/sawdust.
>
> With just two cats, I don't have too much sawdust to compost. I also
> have a place I can just spread it (on my property), if for some reason I
> don't want to compost it all. I wonder if there would be any businesses
> interested in having the sawdust for recycling? There's a paper shredder
> company here who will shred your documents for free (while you watch for
> the untrusting types) and they sell the shredded paper for manufacturing
> something-or-other. Win-win.
>
> --
> Lynne

We have always used a brand called Sofisticat, which is rather like
tiny bits of shingle. I guess the nearest alternative would be a clay
clumping litter, when trying to describe it.
Would it be hard to introduce a new type of cat litter to all 7 of
them?
It was hell on earth trying to get Lucy(fur!!) to accept that we
wanted her to try out the normal litter we used rather than plain soil
which is what she was used to(we did that gradually over a month with
half and half). Ringo was happy to use anything as long as it was a
hooded litter....

The only other time that I tried out a new brand recently, it happened
to be one of the new ones recently that look like white sand (almost),
that was supposed to contain all nasty odours & turn into a gel like
substance, rather like the stuff that is inside babies nappies do -
all we had to do was sift it to take the refuse out. However, I found
that we seemed to use rather a lot of it.....

It was ok, but I found that it was rather expensive when we tried it.
The only thing stopping me using the pine wood based one is because
they didn't seem very keen on it....
But that was a couple of years ago & we have new feline family to try
it out on now
I suppose it is going to cost us a fair amount whichever way you look
@ it, so really I should give the pine one a go if it is
biodegradable??
Any advice on this one?
Thanks,
S;o)

Lynne
April 10th 07, 02:16 AM
on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:59:17 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> The only thing stopping me using the pine wood based one is because
> they didn't seem very keen on it....
> But that was a couple of years ago & we have new feline family to try
> it out on now
> I suppose it is going to cost us a fair amount whichever way you look
> @ it, so really I should give the pine one a go if it is
> biodegradable??
> Any advice on this one?

Yes, you must transition them very, very, VERY slowly. From the Feline
Pine website,

http://www.naturesearth.com/faq.html

"First start with covering the bottom of your litter box with an inch of
our litter. Then cover with 3 inches of your old litter. Do not mix!
Allow your cats to use their box as they normally would. With each litter
box change, increase the amount of Feline PineŽ and decrease the amount
of your old litter until you are using nothing but the pine. After 3 to 4
changes, all cats adjust."

This is exactly how I transitioned Rudy, but he's exceptionally relaxed
about change so take that FWIW. I think that if you go slowly enough,
even slower than recommended above, then all cats really will adjust.
But you need to watch them carefully for any signs of litter box
misbehavior, and you really need to do it in all the boxes at the same
time, which will be quite a chore and perhaps overwhelming.

If you do make the transistion, you also need to keep the sawdust to a
minimum once you are switched over, because it can stay wet and it's got
to be unpleasant for them. I switched to using sifting boxes recently
and it makes using pine pellet litter much, much easier and cleaner. I
just shake the sawdust into the bottom tray and dump it when it gets
full. When the pine pellets get really, really low (like barely any left
in the top part of the box), I wash both parts of the box. It always
smells like pine and not unpleasant at all. Well, except when one of
them has made one of thier ultra stinky poos... I'm really pleased with
this stuff in every way.

It doesn't have to be Feline Pine, by the way. I am using something
called Woody Pet now that is a fraction of the cost of Feline Pine. It
is sold as horse and small animal bedding in 30 lb bags and it looks (and
is) nearly identical. You can probably find something similar at a horse
supply shop in England. It will take quite an effort and commitment on
your part to make the change, though, and with 7 cats, I think even I'd
hesitate!

By the way, when Levi came home at the tender age of 4 weeks, he was
using old fashioned clay litter. So I made the transition as described
above in the upstairs box, but left the downstairs box with all pine.
Rudy continued to poo downstairs and pee upstairs, as always. I really
thought he would prefer the clay and stop using the pine, but I was
wrong. This cat would probably use a litter box I suspended from the
ceiling with springs, though, so he may not be a good data point. :)

--
Lynne

sheelagh
April 10th 07, 02:52 AM
On 10 Apr, 02:16, Lynne > wrote:
> on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:59:17 GMT, "sheelagh"
>
> > wrote:
> > The only thing stopping me using the pine wood based one is because
> > they didn't seem very keen on it....
> > But that was a couple of years ago & we have new feline family to try
> > it out on now
> > I suppose it is going to cost us a fair amount whichever way you look
> > @ it, so really I should give the pine one a go if it is
> > biodegradable??
> > Any advice on this one?
>
> Yes, you must transition them very, very, VERY slowly. From the Feline
> Pine website,
>
> http://www.naturesearth.com/faq.html
>
> "First start with covering the bottom of your litter box with an inch of
> our litter. Then cover with 3 inches of your old litter. Do not mix!
> Allow your cats to use their box as they normally would. With each litter
> box change, increase the amount of Feline PineŽ and decrease the amount
> of your old litter until you are using nothing but the pine. After 3 to 4
> changes, all cats adjust."
>
> This is exactly how I transitioned Rudy, but he's exceptionally relaxed
> about change so take that FWIW. I think that if you go slowly enough,
> even slower than recommended above, then all cats really will adjust.
> But you need to watch them carefully for any signs of litter box
> misbehavior, and you really need to do it in all the boxes at the same
> time, which will be quite a chore and perhaps overwhelming.
>
> If you do make the transistion, you also need to keep the sawdust to a
> minimum once you are switched over, because it can stay wet and it's got
> to be unpleasant for them. I switched to using sifting boxes recently
> and it makes using pine pellet litter much, much easier and cleaner. I
> just shake the sawdust into the bottom tray and dump it when it gets
> full. When the pine pellets get really, really low (like barely any left
> in the top part of the box), I wash both parts of the box. It always
> smells like pine and not unpleasant at all. Well, except when one of
> them has made one of thier ultra stinky poos... I'm really pleased with
> this stuff in every way.
>
> It doesn't have to be Feline Pine, by the way. I am using something
> called Woody Pet now that is a fraction of the cost of Feline Pine. It
> is sold as horse and small animal bedding in 30 lb bags and it looks (and
> is) nearly identical. You can probably find something similar at a horse
> supply shop in England. It will take quite an effort and commitment on
> your part to make the change, though, and with 7 cats, I think even I'd
> hesitate!
>
> By the way, when Levi came home at the tender age of 4 weeks, he was
> using old fashioned clay litter. So I made the transition as described
> above in the upstairs box, but left the downstairs box with all pine.
> Rudy continued to poo downstairs and pee upstairs, as always. I really
> thought he would prefer the clay and stop using the pine, but I was
> wrong. This cat would probably use a litter box I suspended from the
> ceiling with springs, though, so he may not be a good data point. :)
>
> --
> Lynne

Anything is worth a go Lynne. With this new pilot scheme, they will be
charging us by the kg of waste that we put out., so I have got to try
and minimise the amount that goes out in the rubbish(trash.)

I thought we had hit rock bottom when they told us that we would only
get one rubbish collection once a fortnight... but it just goes to
show you how wrong I could be, doesn't it?

It is not so bad in the winter, but come the summer, it is a real
problem over here. Can you imagine not having your waste disposed of
for 6 people and 7 cats too? It is minging by the time they collect
it, & living right next to a public alleyway really doesn't help when
you have a fortnights worth of cat litter out there, even if it is in
a sealed heavy duty bag. It smells dreadful, is full of maggots and
unsightly to boot!! Every single time they come to collect our
rubbish, we have to get a power hose out to disinfect the
bins..YUCKY!!

I am willing to try just about anything, because the cost is
dreadful.
As if that is not bad enough, the water board are considering charging
us for water by consumption too.
I am not against saving the world by doing my bit & recycling. Far
from it.. if I can, I do. It is easy once you get the hang of it...
but the water charge as well as the Refuse charge is going to be
darned expensive!!

I don't expect it to be a doddle, but it has to be done because I
simply don't think I could afford to get rid of the clay clumping type
stuff in the quantities
we are using;o(

I will get some pine sawdust in then and give it a try. I will leave
one of the cat litters normal as they are used to it, then change all
6 of the rest of them with the measures that you suggest & let you
know how it goes..
Thank you for the information, l &ink too BTW, I appreciate it no
end.
S;o)

Lynne
April 10th 07, 03:04 AM
on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:52:41 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> I will get some pine sawdust in then and give it a try. I will leave
> one of the cat litters normal as they are used to it, then change all
> 6 of the rest of them with the measures that you suggest & let you
> know how it goes..


Just to clarify, it's pine pellets when you buy it. When the pellets get
wet, they turn into sawdust, and the sawdust can be composted.

I highly recommend converting ALL the boxes at once (slowly!), otherwise
you may find all the cats using only one box and not adapting at all.

--
Lynne

sheelagh
April 10th 07, 04:47 AM
On 10 Apr, 03:04, Lynne > wrote:
> on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:52:41 GMT, "sheelagh"
>
> > wrote:
> > I will get some pine sawdust in then and give it a try. I will leave
> > one of the cat litters normal as they are used to it, then change all
> > 6 of the rest of them with the measures that you suggest & let you
> > know how it goes..
>
> Just to clarify, it's pine pellets when you buy it. When the pellets get
> wet, they turn into sawdust, and the sawdust can be composted.
>
> I highly recommend converting ALL the boxes at once (slowly!), otherwise
> you may find all the cats using only one box and not adapting at all.
>
> --
> Lynne

>
> Just to clarify, it's pine pellets when you buy it. When the pellets get
> wet, they turn into sawdust, and the sawdust can be composted.
>
> I highly recommend converting ALL the boxes at once (slowly!), otherwise
> you may find all the cats using only one box and not adapting at all.
Thanks for that Lynne.
I must admit that I thought it was a bit strange that I had never seen
it for sale in sawdust form when browsing at the pet shop...

You mean the pellet shaped ones?

I will do all of the litters together than..
Now this will be interesting, lol...
Keep you up to date with how we are doing.
S;o)

Lynne
April 10th 07, 02:36 PM
on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:47:41 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> You mean the pellet shaped ones?

Yep! That's right.

> I will do all of the litters together than..

I think that will be the best way to go about this.

> Now this will be interesting, lol...
> Keep you up to date with how we are doing.

Just go slowly! And do let us know. I hope it works out for you!!

Being forced to reduce your refuse is no fun, but I would actually like to
see that day come here. I'm appalled by what and how much garbage people
throw out.

--
Lynne

sheelagh
April 10th 07, 03:55 PM
On 10 Apr, 14:36, Lynne > wrote:
> on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:47:41 GMT, "sheelagh"
>
> > wrote:
> > You mean the pellet shaped ones?
>
> Yep! That's right.
>
> > I will do all of the litters together than..
>
> I think that will be the best way to go about this.
>
> > Now this will be interesting, lol...
> > Keep you up to date with how we are doing.
>
> Just go slowly! And do let us know. I hope it works out for you!!
>
> Being forced to reduce your refuse is no fun, but I would actually like to
> see that day come here. I'm appalled by what and how much garbage people
> throw out.
>
> --
> Lynne

Bookie & I have just been talking about a similar issue under, Sad
story has reached us here too.
I agree with you.

In the beginning when they handed us a box the size of a small
cardboard box, & told us that we must recycle from now on. I filled
that box in the first day that we got it, which forced me to throw
excess recyclables in with the waste....
A bit pointless, wouldn't you say?

In the end I rang our local authority, & asked them to send out extra
bins for us. When you consider that there were 7 of us here, one poxy
little box was a joke. They ended up sending us to wheelie bins out
which we fill in about 4 days., but they only empty them on rotated
weeks, so it leaves us a whole week & a half to think about where the
hell we are going to store it & how we can leave it out in a clear bag
so that they don't up end it on the garden...
It wouldn't be the first time either.!! Most of the refuse bags that
you can buy over here are all black & they won't take them. clear ones
are around 5 x the price of the black ones.

If they really want us to do our bit, &save the planet, then it
shouldn't be too much to ask for them to give us extra bins in view of
the amount/volume of people living here, should it?

I am happy to try and do anything that we can to preserve what we
have, but Big Brother doesn't make it easy to help them In fact after
posting this, I am going to ring and ask them if they would send us
another 2 out, because that would be about right & we wouldn't have
the problems that we do.

I am most definately doing to try the wood pine passed one out next
time I go shopping this week end. I have a small spare bag in case
everything goes T**''s up...
But I do intend to persevere with it. I hate using the clay clumping
one, but It is my fault that they are used to using it, so I must bare
the consequences of it. By the sound of it, it smells a darned sight
better too, lol...

I will be only too pleased if they do accept it with no problems.
If we hit snags, then I I'll be back to ask advice:o)
Thanks Lynne,
S;o)

Lis
April 10th 07, 09:28 PM
On Apr 10, 10:55 am, "sheelagh" > wrote:
> On 10 Apr, 14:36, Lynne > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:47:41 GMT, "sheelagh"
>
> > > wrote:
> > > You mean the pellet shaped ones?
>
> > Yep! That's right.
>
> > > I will do all of the litters together than..
>
> > I think that will be the best way to go about this.
>
> > > Now this will be interesting, lol...
> > > Keep you up to date with how we are doing.
>
> > Just go slowly! And do let us know. I hope it works out for you!!
>
> > Being forced to reduce your refuse is no fun, but I would actually like to
> > see that day come here. I'm appalled by what and how much garbage people
> > throw out.
>
> > --
> > Lynne
>
> Bookie & I have just been talking about a similar issue under, Sad
> story has reached us here too.
> I agree with you.
>
> In the beginning when they handed us a box the size of a small
> cardboard box, & told us that we must recycle from now on. I filled
> that box in the first day that we got it, which forced me to throw
> excess recyclables in with the waste....
> A bit pointless, wouldn't you say?
>
> In the end I rang our local authority, & asked them to send out extra
> bins for us. When you consider that there were 7 of us here, one poxy
> little box was a joke. They ended up sending us to wheelie bins out
> which we fill in about 4 days., but they only empty them on rotated
> weeks, so it leaves us a whole week & a half to think about where the
> hell we are going to store it & how we can leave it out in a clear bag
> so that they don't up end it on the garden...
> It wouldn't be the first time either.!! Most of the refuse bags that
> you can buy over here are all black & they won't take them. clear ones
> are around 5 x the price of the black ones.
>
> If they really want us to do our bit, &save the planet, then it
> shouldn't be too much to ask for them to give us extra bins in view of
> the amount/volume of people living here, should it?
>
> I am happy to try and do anything that we can to preserve what we
> have, but Big Brother doesn't make it easy to help them In fact after
> posting this, I am going to ring and ask them if they would send us
> another 2 out, because that would be about right & we wouldn't have
> the problems that we do.

Almost twenty years ago, I was living in an, um, economically
depressed medium-sized city in New England, that decided to adopt a
recycling program and charge for the removal of anything that wasn't
recyclable. This is what they did:

They made the rules for what could go in recycling and what couldn't
clear, simple, and easy to understand. They printed those rules in
every language spoken in the city--twenty-seven in all, which included
Slovenian and Vietnamese and Chinese.

They provided two bins per household automatically. If you needed
more, you could request more--or you could use anything you wanted
that more-or-less fit the description. It just had to be clear that
you intended it as a recycling bin. You could even take a regular old
trash bin, and mark it "recycling."

For non-recyclable trash, you had to use city trash bags, which were
day-glo yellow and had the recycling instructions on them. In their
first incarnation, they were $0.50 each and held up to thirty pounds.
Very quickly, elderly residents and handicapped residents complained
that they couldn't fill them more than half-full or they couldn't lift
and maneuver them adequately, so they were effectively being charged
twice as much for the same amount of trash as everyone else. The
city's response, within a month or two, was to make half-size bags
available, at $0.25 each, in addition to the full-size bags. Anyone
could use whichever they found best suited their needs.

In very short order, we had a recycling program that for many years
put to shame the efforts of hoity-toity inner suburbs that looked down
their noses at industrial wastelands like that city and most of the
places I've lived.:)

So, yes, it is possible to do it right, IF the local government
actually cares about making it practical for the residents to
cooperate.

> I am most definately doing to try the wood pine passed one out next
> time I go shopping this week end. I have a small spare bag in case
> everything goes T**''s up...
> But I do intend to persevere with it. I hate using the clay clumping
> one, but It is my fault that they are used to using it, so I must bare
> the consequences of it. By the sound of it, it smells a darned sight
> better too, lol...

It does.

> I will be only too pleased if they do accept it with no problems.
> If we hit snags, then I I'll be back to ask advice:o)
> Thanks Lynne,
> S;o)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's hoping they're in a cooperative mood when you introduce it.:)

Lis

Cheryl
April 10th 07, 11:24 PM
On Tue 10 Apr 2007 09:36:28a, Lynne wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
>:

> Being forced to reduce your refuse is no fun, but I would
> actually like to see that day come here. I'm appalled by what
> and how much garbage people throw out.

You and me both, Lynne. While I have trash pickup 2x per week (no
weight limit) and recycle pickup once a week, I don't have enough
trash for 2 pickups unless I'm on a cleaning binge, and then I try to
use Freecycle for what's still usable. My next door neighbors OTOH
have several bins full of refuge for both weekly pickups EVERY week.
I do have to say that they have a houseful, but not in proportion
with the amount of trash IMO.

--
Cheryl

Lynne
April 11th 07, 01:51 AM
on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:24:41 GMT, Cheryl >
wrote:

> You and me both, Lynne. While I have trash pickup 2x per week (no
> weight limit) and recycle pickup once a week, I don't have enough
> trash for 2 pickups unless I'm on a cleaning binge, and then I try to
> use Freecycle for what's still usable. My next door neighbors OTOH
> have several bins full of refuge for both weekly pickups EVERY week.
> I do have to say that they have a houseful, but not in proportion
> with the amount of trash IMO.

The county where I live negotiated an exclusive garbage pick-up contract
last year. *******s. They completely neglected to include a recycling
option, and now I can't even PAY to have them pick up recycling, like I
used to do. I have to haul it away to a recycling facility, and knowing
how few people actually opted to pay to have recycling hauled away when the
service was available here, I sincerely doubt many people are making the
extra effort.

We only have a once per week pickup, but I have neighbors who fill two 55
gallon monster cans every week AND put out large items to be picked up
along with that. It's mind boggling. And so short sighted.

--
Lynne

sheelagh
April 11th 07, 02:42 PM
On 11 Apr, 01:51, Lynne > wrote:
> on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:24:41 GMT, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
> > You and me both, Lynne. While I have trash pickup 2x per week (no
> > weight limit) and recycle pickup once a week, I don't have enough
> > trash for 2 pickups unless I'm on a cleaning binge, and then I try to
> > use Freecycle for what's still usable. My next door neighbors OTOH
> > have several bins full of refuge for both weekly pickups EVERY week.
> > I do have to say that they have a houseful, but not in proportion
> > with the amount of trash IMO.
>
> The county where I live negotiated an exclusive garbage pick-up contract
> last year. *******s. They completely neglected to include a recycling
> option, and now I can't even PAY to have them pick up recycling, like I
> used to do. I have to haul it away to a recycling facility, and knowing
> how few people actually opted to pay to have recycling hauled away when the
> service was available here, I sincerely doubt many people are making the
> extra effort.
>
> We only have a once per week pickup, but I have neighbors who fill two 55
> gallon monster cans every week AND put out large items to be picked up
> along with that. It's mind boggling. And so short sighted.
>
> --
> Lynne

I can't believe that....!!
<gobsmacked staring @ my screen with dropped jaw>

But I do believe it, because you told me so.....

We are PROSECUTED if we don't recycle properly over here in some
areas. Not all of them, but we certainly do...

Imagine having your trash bags up ended on your garden if they even
suspect that you might have put some cigarette buts in the bottom of
it...?
And they leave it there for your to pick up if you DO!!!

If you don't, they do their best to clear it up & throw it in to the
once a fortnight cart...!!
It is almost inconceivable here. Everything is recycled from packaging
to glass & even old clothes too....And we have a separate compost and
soil bin with weed in and garden refuse that goes once a month...
S;o)

sheelagh
April 11th 07, 02:51 PM
On 10 Apr, 14:36, Lynne > wrote:
> on Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:47:41 GMT, "sheelagh"
>
> > wrote:
> > You mean the pellet shaped ones?
>
> Yep! That's right.
>
> > I will do all of the litters together than..
>
> I think that will be the best way to go about this.
>
> > Now this will be interesting, lol...
> > Keep you up to date with how we are doing.
>
> Just go slowly! And do let us know. I hope it works out for you!!
>
> Being forced to reduce your refuse is no fun, but I would actually like to
> see that day come here. I'm appalled by what and how much garbage people
> throw out.
>
> --
> Lynne
>
> Being forced to reduce your refuse is no fun, but I would actually like to
> see that day come here. I'm appalled by what and how much garbage people
> throw out.

I rang the local county council this morning to ask if we might have
another wheelie bin to help with the volume of recycled rubbish we get
through & they have agreed to send us one more bin out to us in 4
weeks time, & in the meantime, they are willing to send out those
clear bags that I was telling you about. I asked if we might have
another bin as well as the one they were willing to send out, If that
wasn't enough to cope with the volume, & I was told that in the
unlikely event that it wasn't (which it won't be as I put 2 out
already...)... then we could ask for free clear bags from the council
free of charge...

Result, lol:o)
Well worth the phone call....
S;o)

Lynne
April 11th 07, 04:50 PM
on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:42:56 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> I can't believe that....!!
> <gobsmacked staring @ my screen with dropped jaw>
>
> But I do believe it, because you told me so.....

Sadly, it's true, and it ****es me off royally.

> We are PROSECUTED if we don't recycle properly over here in some
> areas. Not all of them, but we certainly do...

You'd be appalled by the amount of garbage this country generates. It's
sickening. Just looking up and down my street on trash pick-up day is
shocking.

--
Lynne

Lynne
April 11th 07, 04:51 PM
on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:51:24 GMT, "sheelagh"
> wrote:

> Well worth the phone call....

It never hurts to ask. I'm glad they are so reasonable!

--
Lynne

cindys
April 11th 07, 05:00 PM
"Jennifer" > wrote in message
oups.com...

snip>
> There is another benefit to using the natural materials litters
> though, besides being healthier for your cats and better for the
> environment. They are much, much lighter; at least the wheat and pine
> ones are. So, if you're getting charged per kilo of waste, you'll
> save money by using the lighter material. Note also that some of them
> are flushable. I know Swheat Scoop is. So, you're generating less
> poundage (kilo-age? ;) just from the stuff you can flush instead of
> bag.
-----------
For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the plumber
nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach the
clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of hundred
dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would never
flush any cat litter again, no matter what the package said.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

sheelagh
April 11th 07, 05:12 PM
On 11 Apr, 17:00, "cindys" > wrote:
> "Jennifer" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> snip>> There is another benefit to using the natural materials litters
> > though, besides being healthier for your cats and better for the
> > environment. They are much, much lighter; at least the wheat and pine
> > ones are. So, if you're getting charged per kilo of waste, you'll
> > save money by using the lighter material. Note also that some of them
> > are flushable. I know Swheat Scoop is. So, you're generating less
> > poundage (kilo-age? ;) just from the stuff you can flush instead of
> > bag.
>
> -----------
> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the plumber
> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach the
> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of hundred
> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would never
> flush any cat litter again, no matter what the package said.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

> -----------
> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the plumber
> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach the
> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of hundred
> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would never
> flush any cat litter again, no matter what the package said.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

Cindy, As I am not familiar with that particular brand name, is that
the sort that looks like sand but is white in colour? It is supposed
to turn urine into a jelly type substance & it is easily cover-able
for the cats & hence less wastage and longer service. It is similar
to the type of stuff that is in babies nappies?

Just as a foot note, How is Alex doing presently?
I hope that things are ok....
I have been thinking about you all day because strangely, I dreamt
about him last night..
S;o)

sheelagh
April 11th 07, 05:43 PM
On 11 Apr, 16:50, Lynne > wrote:
> on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:42:56 GMT, "sheelagh"
>
> > wrote:
> > I can't believe that....!!
> > <gobsmacked staring @ my screen with dropped jaw>
>
> > But I do believe it, because you told me so.....
>
> Sadly, it's true, and it ****es me off royally.
>
> > We are PROSECUTED if we don't recycle properly over here in some
> > areas. Not all of them, but we certainly do...
>
> You'd be appalled by the amount of garbage this country generates. It's
> sickening. Just looking up and down my street on trash pick-up day is
> shocking.
>
> --
> Lynne

I don't think that I would be surprised actually.
I think it is dreadful that we only have our rubbish collected once
every other week. 14 days is a long time to store used cat litter and
other rotting stinking rubbish, especially increasingly in the spring
& the summer of course too. Not so bad with the recycling. we end up
having to get the power washer out to rid ourselves of the maggots &
other nasty bits and pieces too ...YUCKY!!

If I am utterly honest with you, it wasn't that I was a big save the
earth person @ heart when this recycling changeover happened. In fact
I wasn't very much of a recyclers @ heart either.
However, The kids we rightly educated to look after their world @
school & In the end I got so fed up with them ticking me off, that I
tried it their way just to keep them quite to start with.. but then it
became habit & now I pride myself on how much we can actually do to
help ourselves.....

But then it started to become habit & by the time they let us know
that we were going to be a part of a pilot scheme where we would end
up paying per kilo for the rubbish we disposed of, & wasn't too
alarmed, because we had already got used to the idea that it might
come some day. It is just the cat litter that worries me, because it
weighs a huge amount & I *have to* dispose of it as rubbish, because
that is all it is good for, & the only way I can dispose of it....

My main concern presently, is how/ what to use as the best
environmental friendly cat litter filler & the least destructive
product that won't end up costing me the world to pay for disposing of
it.
I can't/ wouldn't consider not using a litter and allowing the cats to
go where they will after the Ringo incident.. so the only option left
is to choose one that is as effective as the one we used to use ( or
as nearly as possible..)

I am delighted that they have agreed to send us out a second bin,
because it really is a problem & I have no wish to pick up an entire
dust bin liner full of recyclables off the front garden simply because
someone put a tiny bit of used kitchen roll in it..
I do see their point, but it honestly was half a sheet of kitchen
roll...A bit too petty... & no fun picking it all up.
A lesson learned the hard way you could say!!
All idea's and criticisms appreciated on this one please?
S;o)

cindys
April 11th 07, 09:45 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On 11 Apr, 17:00, "cindys" > wrote:
>> "Jennifer" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> snip>> There is another benefit to using the natural materials litters
>> > though, besides being healthier for your cats and better for the
>> > environment. They are much, much lighter; at least the wheat and pine
>> > ones are. So, if you're getting charged per kilo of waste, you'll
>> > save money by using the lighter material. Note also that some of them
>> > are flushable. I know Swheat Scoop is. So, you're generating less
>> > poundage (kilo-age? ;) just from the stuff you can flush instead of
>> > bag.
>>
>> -----------
>> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the
>> plumber
>> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach
>> the
>> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of
>> hundred
>> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would
>> never
>> flush any cat litter again, no matter what the package said.
>> Best regards,
>> ---Cindy S.
>
>> -----------
>> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the
>> plumber
>> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach
>> the
>> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of
>> hundred
>> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would
>> never
>> flush any cat litter again, no matter what the package said.
>> Best regards,
>> ---Cindy S.
>
> Cindy, As I am not familiar with that particular brand name, is that
> the sort that looks like sand but is white in colour?

Rather than my trying to describe it, here is a weblink:

http://www.swheatscoop.com/


>It is supposed
> to turn urine into a jelly type substance & it is easily cover-able
> for the cats & hence less wastage and longer service. It is similar
> to the type of stuff that is in babies nappies?

Nothing like that at all.

>
> Just as a foot note, How is Alex doing presently?

He's fine, but he's been urinating copiously. He's been going through
several puppy training pads a day. (He has decided he prefers the puppy
training pads to the downstairs litterbox - he doesn't have a UTI - I've had
him checked). He does use the upstairs litter boxes when he's upstairs,
however. I've been feeding him the Pepcid, Omega-3, and the potassium
supplement. He's fortunately still in the early stages of CRF, so I
anticipate having him for a long, long time. We're having another problem
with Tux, the grouchy, grumpy foster cat whom we decided to keep a number of
weeks back. He's been getting aggressive with Bullwinkle (my other sweet,
gentle senior cat) and attacking him in the litter box. I am thinking of
ordering Feliway, which I never would have heard of except for this
newsgroup. My husband is having a fit and saying we never should have agreed
to adopt Tux. He wants to return him to the rescue group. I want to try
Feliway first and see if that will resolve the issue.

> I hope that things are ok....
> I have been thinking about you all day because strangely, I dreamt
> about him last night..

That is so sweet. When I get to it, my son has agreed to take pictures of
all five of our current cats (plus Molly of blessed memory) and provide a
link.
Thank you for thinking of us.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

sheelagh
April 12th 07, 01:46 PM
On 11 Apr, 21:45, "cindys" > wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11 Apr, 17:00, "cindys" > wrote:
> >> "Jennifer" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> >> snip>> There is another benefit to using the natural materials litters
> >> > though, besides being healthier for your cats and better for the
> >> > environment. They are much, much lighter; at least the wheat and pine
> >> > ones are. So, if you're getting charged per kilo of waste, you'll
> >> > save money by using the lighter material. Note also that some of them
> >> > are flushable. I know Swheat Scoop is. So, you're generating less
> >> > poundage (kilo-age? ;) just from the stuff you can flush instead of
> >> > bag.
>
> >> -----------
> >> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the
> >> plumber
> >> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach
> >> the
> >> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of
> >> hundred
> >> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would
> >> never
> >> flush anycatlitteragain, no matter what the package said.
> >> Best regards,
> >> ---Cindy S.
>
> >> -----------
> >> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the
> >> plumber
> >> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach
> >> the
> >> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of
> >> hundred
> >> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would
> >> never
> >> flush anycatlitteragain, no matter what the package said.
> >> Best regards,
> >> ---Cindy S.
>
> > Cindy, As I am not familiar with that particular brand name, is that
> > the sort that looks like sand but is white in colour?
>
> Rather than my trying to describe it, here is a weblink:
>
> http://www.swheatscoop.com/

Ahhh! Now I understand what you mean.
Thank you very much for the link . It was more helpful than a
description & Visibly descriptive too.

> >It is supposed
> > to turn urine into a jelly type substance & it is easily cover-able
> > for the cats & hence less wastage and longer service. It is similar
> > to the type of stuff that is in babies nappies?
>
> Nothing like that at all.
You gave me the idea to look for the link. I tried it once a few years
ago & found it highly effective, but quite expensive. I have no idea
how Eco friendly it is, but I would recommend it if I thought that it
is ok to use environmentally ( but the name makes me think that it
probably isn't..)
Has anyone else tried this type of litter? I would love to hear other
peoples testimonials about it if they have tried it as well. It weighs
next to nothing & would be easily disposable too

http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11569726/Silica_Gel_Cat_Litter.html

>
>
> > Just as a foot note, How is Alex doing presently?
>
> He's fine, but he's been urinating copiously. He's been going through
> several puppy training pads a day. (He has decided he prefers the puppy
> training pads to the downstairs litter box - he doesn't have a UTI - I've had
> him checked). He does use the upstairs litter boxes when he's upstairs,
> however. I've been feeding him the Pepcid, Omega-3, and the potassium
> supplement. He's fortunately still in the early stages of CRF, so I
> anticipate having him for a long, long time.
Wonderful
It isn't unusual for a cat to decided that he is going to refuse to
use a litter that another cat uses.. perhaps Tuxedo is using the
downstairs one?

>We're having another problem
> with Tux, the grouchy, grumpy fostercatwhom we decided to keep a number of
> weeks back. He's been getting aggressive with Bullwinkle (my other sweet,
> gentle seniorcat) and attacking him in thelitterbox. I am thinking of
> ordering Feliway, which I never would have heard of except for this
> newsgroup. My husband is having a fit and saying we never should have agreed
> to adopt Tux. He wants to return him to the rescue group. I want to try
> Feliway first and see if that will resolve the issue.

Then I think that it would be a good idea to try Feliway at the very
least. It may well resolve the problem. I have never used it
personally, so I can't tell you that it Will work, but the
testimonials that I have read indicate it works effectively.
I very much hope that Tux's animosity towards Alex does calm down
soon. I'm sure it will with time and understanding....

I am new to the Puppy pants thing. Can you describe them to me at all
please?
There is an underlying reason for asking this question...

I was hoping that once the boys here were neutered, that they would
limit the amount of times that they sprayed. Unfortunately, this is
not the case!1;o( In fact they haven't stopped one jot!! I have heard
of stud pants, but wondered if puppy pants would be a good
alternative?

I understand your husband trouble, lol.
I have the same problems..
I can also appreciate how he feels because sometimes it is rough when
you take a kitty in, & it takes time to allow them to adapt. The
problems they can create could be described as similar to sibling
rivalry.. & that also takes patience and time to sort out ( the only
difference is that you can't take them back..)..More "was" the pity
when mine were young & terribly naughty between themselves..it is
different now of course, lol;o)

I tend to sooth him with kind words & promises of decent
meals..usually it works.
But if he is in a real stomp, I try to cope without his assistance,
just until he calms down.; he does & when he has calmed down, he is of
invaluable help & to be perfectly honest, I couldn't manage half the
things that we do, without him.

> > I hope that things are ok....
> > I have been thinking about you all day because strangely, I dreamt
> > about him last night..
>
> That is so sweet. When I get to it, my son has agreed to take pictures of
> all five of our current cats (plus Molly of blessed memory) and provide a
> link.
We look forward to that.
> Thank you for thinking of us.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S
We always think of you..
You have become a household name here....
Purrs for both Molly & Alex with oodles of head butts and leg weaves
of course
& lots of patience for Tux too
S;o)

April 12th 07, 05:26 PM
On 12 Apr, 13:46, "sheelagh" > wrote:
> On 11 Apr, 21:45, "cindys" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > > On 11 Apr, 17:00, "cindys" > wrote:
> > >> "Jennifer" > wrote in message
>
> > oups.com...
>
> > >> snip>> There is another benefit to using the natural materials litters
> > >> > though, besides being healthier for your cats and better for the
> > >> > environment. They are much, much lighter; at least the wheat and pine
> > >> > ones are. So, if you're getting charged per kilo of waste, you'll
> > >> > save money by using the lighter material. Note also that some of them
> > >> > are flushable. I know Swheat Scoop is. So, you're generating less
> > >> > poundage (kilo-age? ;) just from the stuff you can flush instead of
> > >> > bag.
>
> > >> -----------
> > >> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the
> > >> plumber
> > >> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach
> > >> the
> > >> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of
> > >> hundred
> > >> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would
> > >> never
> > >> flush anycatlitteragain, no matter what the package said.
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> ---Cindy S.
>
> > >> -----------
> > >> For the record, Swheat Scoop clogged up my pipes so badly that the
> > >> plumber
> > >> nearly needed to drill through the cement basement floor/walls to reach
> > >> the
> > >> clogs. He was at my house for several hours, and it cost a couple of
> > >> hundred
> > >> dollars. The Swheat Scoop accumulated in the pipes over time. I would
> > >> never
> > >> flush anycatlitteragain, no matter what the package said.
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> ---Cindy S.
>
> > > Cindy, As I am not familiar with that particular brand name, is that
> > > the sort that looks like sand but is white in colour?
>
> > Rather than my trying to describe it, here is a weblink:
>
> >http://www.swheatscoop.com/
>
> Ahhh! Now I understand what you mean.
> Thank you very much for the link . It was more helpful than a
> description & Visibly descriptive too.
>
> > >It is supposed
> > > to turn urine into a jelly type substance & it is easily cover-able
> > > for the cats & hence less wastage and longer service. It is similar
> > > to the type of stuff that is in babies nappies?
>
> > Nothing like that at all.
>
> You gave me the idea to look for the link. I tried it once a few years
> ago & found it highly effective, but quite expensive. I have no idea
> how Eco friendly it is, but I would recommend it if I thought that it
> is ok to use environmentally ( but the name makes me think that it
> probably isn't..)
> Has anyone else tried this type of litter? I would love to hear other
> peoples testimonials about it if they have tried it as well. It weighs
> next to nothing & would be easily disposable too
>
> http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11569726/Silica_Gel_Cat_Litter.html
>
>
>
> > > Just as a foot note, How is Alex doing presently?
>
> > He's fine, but he's been urinating copiously. He's been going through
> > several puppy training pads a day. (He has decided he prefers the puppy
> > training pads to the downstairs litter box - he doesn't have a UTI - I've had
> > him checked). He does use the upstairs litter boxes when he's upstairs,
> > however. I've been feeding him the Pepcid, Omega-3, and the potassium
> > supplement. He's fortunately still in the early stages of CRF, so I
> > anticipate having him for a long, long time.
>
> Wonderful
> It isn't unusual for a cat to decided that he is going to refuse to
> use a litter that another cat uses.. perhaps Tuxedo is using the
> downstairs one?
>
> >We're having another problem
> > with Tux, the grouchy, grumpy fostercatwhom we decided to keep a number of
> > weeks back. He's been getting aggressive with Bullwinkle (my other sweet,
> > gentle seniorcat) and attacking him in thelitterbox. I am thinking of
> > ordering Feliway, which I never would have heard of except for this
> > newsgroup. My husband is having a fit and saying we never should have agreed
> > to adopt Tux. He wants to return him to the rescue group. I want to try
> > Feliway first and see if that will resolve the issue.
>
> Then I think that it would be a good idea to try Feliway at the very
> least. It may well resolve the problem. I have never used it
> personally, so I can't tell you that it Will work, but the
> testimonials that I have read indicate it works effectively.
> I very much hope that Tux's animosity towards Alex does calm down
> soon. I'm sure it will with time and understanding....
>
> I am new to the Puppy pants thing. Can you describe them to me at all
> please?
> There is an underlying reason for asking this question...
>
> I was hoping that once the boys here were neutered, that they would
> limit the amount of times that they sprayed. Unfortunately, this is
> not the case!1;o( In fact they haven't stopped one jot!! I have heard
> of stud pants, but wondered if puppy pants would be a good
> alternative?
>
> I understand your husband trouble, lol.
> I have the same problems..
> I can also appreciate how he feels because sometimes it is rough when
> you take a kitty in, & it takes time to allow them to adapt. The
> problems they can create could be described as similar to sibling
> rivalry.. & that also takes patience and time to sort out ( the only
> difference is that you can't take them back..)..More "was" the pity
> when mine were young & terribly naughty between themselves..it is
> different now of course, lol;o)
>
> I tend to sooth him with kind words & promises of decent
> meals..usually it works.
> But if he is in a real stomp, I try to cope without his assistance,
> just until he calms down.; he does & when he has calmed down, he is of
> invaluable help & to be perfectly honest, I couldn't manage half the
> things that we do, without him.
>
> > > I hope that things are ok....
> > > I have been thinking about you all day because strangely, I dreamt
> > > about him last night..
>
> > That is so sweet. When I get to it, my son has agreed to take pictures of
> > all five of our current cats (plus Molly of blessed memory) and provide a
> > link.
>
> We look forward to that.> Thank you for thinking of us.
> > Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S
>
> We always think of you..
> You have become a household name here....
> Purrs for both Molly & Alex with oodles of head butts and leg weaves
> of course
> & lots of patience for Tux too
> S;o)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I use the stuff you are discussing on the link. It is very effective,
but I am not sure how Eco friendly it would be.
K

cindys
April 13th 07, 05:31 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
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>>
>> > Just as a foot note, How is Alex doing presently?
>>
>> He's fine, but he's been urinating copiously. He's been going through
>> several puppy training pads a day. (He has decided he prefers the puppy
>> training pads to the downstairs litter box - he doesn't have a UTI - I've
>> had
>> him checked). He does use the upstairs litter boxes when he's upstairs,
>> however. I've been feeding him the Pepcid, Omega-3, and the potassium
>> supplement. He's fortunately still in the early stages of CRF, so I
>> anticipate having him for a long, long time.
> Wonderful
> It isn't unusual for a cat to decided that he is going to refuse to
> use a litter that another cat uses.. perhaps Tuxedo is using the
> downstairs one?

Yes, Tux uses the downstairs box, but he uses the upstairs boxes too, and
Alex doesn't mind using those. Also, Alex always uses the litterbox for
poops.

>
> I am new to the Puppy pants thing. Can you describe them to me at all
> please?
> There is an underlying reason for asking this question...

The puppy training pads are disposable, waterproof pads you put on the
floor. In the world of human medicine, they are also known as "chux."

http://www.northshorecare.com/chux1.html

The idea with the puppy is that you housebreak him by training him to "do
his business"on the pad. Then, when he gets acclimated to this, you move the
pad outside, and the puppy will "do his business" on the pad outside.
Finally, you stop using the pad entirely, and the puppy continues to "do his
business" outside because now he associates "doing his business" with going
outside.

In the case of Alex the cat (who has never been outside), he simply decided
that he preferred a particular spot in the hallway outside the kitchen door
rather than the litterbox. It was really tiresome cleaning up the same spot
on the floor multiple times every day. Then, I got the bright idea that
since he was consistently using the same spot, I could put down one of these
puppy training pads. I honestly figured he would change his spot, but I
lucked out, and he didn't. So now, everytime I see the pad is wet, I simply
replace it with a fresh one, and the floor stays clean and dry for the most
part. Sometimes, it's not spot on center, and there is a little spillover,
and I have to clean up the floor anyway, but not too often. The "puppy
training pads" are expensive at the pet supply shop, but I see the "chux"
that I can order online from the website are about half the price. If I
hadn't been looking for a website with an image to show you, I never would
have realized that I could get the chux for a lot less money. Of course,
this doesn't help you with your problem :-(

>
> I was hoping that once the boys here were neutered, that they would
> limit the amount of times that they sprayed. Unfortunately, this is
> not the case!1;o( In fact they haven't stopped one jot!! I have heard
> of stud pants, but wondered if puppy pants would be a good
> alternative?

Unfortunately....
>
> I understand your husband trouble, lol.
> I have the same problems..
> I can also appreciate how he feels because sometimes it is rough when
> you take a kitty in, & it takes time to allow them to adapt.

Tux has actually been with us for around six months. We officially adopted
him only a few weeks ago, but he was our foster cat before that. Overall, he
has calmed down in the six months that we've had him. It's just that every
once in a while he goes after Alex or Bullwinkle, and then we get upset
because these are senior cats. Tux is scared to death of Amanda though. She
has assumed the position of alpha cat since Molly died. She spends most of
her day sleeping or guarding her territory (the master bedroom). She will
allow Alex to come in and take a nap on the bed or let Bullwinkle can come
in for a snack from her personal food dish. She even allows Daisy to enter
and sit on the clothes hamper. But if Tux so much as appears at the door,
Amanda goes crazy and attacks him and chases him away. It's quite a sight.
Especially considering that Amanda is kind of timid and nervous around
people she doesn't know.

>
> I tend to sooth him with kind words & promises of decent
> meals..usually it works.
> But if he is in a real stomp, I try to cope without his assistance,
> just until he calms down.; he does & when he has calmed down, he is of
> invaluable help & to be perfectly honest, I couldn't manage half the
> things that we do, without him.

I know what you mean.
>
>> > I hope that things are ok....
>> > I have been thinking about you all day because strangely, I dreamt
>> > about him last night..
>>
>> That is so sweet. When I get to it, my son has agreed to take pictures of
>> all five of our current cats (plus Molly of blessed memory) and provide a
>> link.
> We look forward to that.
>> Thank you for thinking of us.
>> Best regards,
>> ---Cindy S
> We always think of you..
> You have become a household name here....

I have? But then again, my whole family was very upset about Ringo, and they
were given up to the moment updates as you posted them.

> Purrs for both Molly & Alex with oodles of head butts and leg weaves
> of course
> & lots of patience for Tux too
> S;o)

Thanks so much.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.