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Barry
April 18th 07, 01:07 PM
If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.

Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO

cornmeal.

I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...

I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
they just let them lay there.
Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 02:00 PM
"Barry" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> cornmeal.
>
> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> they just let them lay there.
> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.

Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of taurine.

Hugs,

CatNipped

sheelagh
April 18th 07, 02:31 PM
On 18 Apr, 13:07, Barry > wrote:
> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> cornmeal.
>
> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> they just let them lay there.
> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.

Mine get fed meat scraps of the plates, but they do turn their noses
up at anything else they are offered. In fact one of them (Belle),
won't eat anything expect the odd bite or two of wet cat food..Her
main diet is dried Pets @ Home complete..
Who's cat turns away fresh chicken...?
Belle is the only cat I have ever been owned by that won't even try
it!!?
S;o)

sheelagh
April 18th 07, 03:03 PM
On 18 Apr, 13:07, Barry > wrote:
> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> cornmeal.
>
> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> they just let them lay there.
> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.

I feed our cats meat left over from meals.. they turn their noses up
at the rest of it. In fact I have one cat who won't go near cooked
meat at all, Belle...she will tolerate a few bites of kitty chunks now
and again, but that is it....
She eats Pets @ Home dry complete, & nothing else... if she gets the
choice
S;o)

cybercat
April 18th 07, 03:56 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote in message
...
> "Barry" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>>
>> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>>
>> cornmeal.
>>
>> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
>> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>>
>> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
>> they just let them lay there.
>> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of
> taurine.
>

He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.

Lis
April 18th 07, 05:30 PM
On Apr 18, 8:07 am, Barry > wrote:
> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> cornmeal.
>
> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> they just let them lay there.
> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.

Cats, unlike humans and dogs, are obligate carnivores. They're more
different from us than any other domestic animal. A cat fed a healthy-
for-humans (healthy-for-dogs) diet would first go blind and then die--
lack of taurine, most notably but not exclusively. A certain amount
of roughage aids digestion of the meat, but they don't get nutrition
directly from the vegetable matter. You're not "feeding" your cats
table scrap vegetables; you're OFFERING this garbage to them, and
they're sensibly refusing it.

Lis

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 05:38 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Barry" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>>>
>>> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>>>
>>> cornmeal.
>>>
>>> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
>>> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>>>
>>> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
>>> they just let them lay there.
>>> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>>
>> Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of
>> taurine.
>>
>
> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.

Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with cats
reads this.

Hugs,

CatNipped

cybercat
April 18th 07, 05:45 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.
>
> Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with
> cats reads this.
>

I wasn't criticizing you, CN. When Barry puts a stupid question out there,
of course you have to answer it. Just the fact that he raised it might mean
to some people that there's nothing wrong with feeding their cats what
they eat--onions and all, no taurine and all. Despite the fact that there is
an entire industry built upon the fact that cats have different nutritional
needs.

body sweat
April 18th 07, 06:12 PM
On Apr 18, 12:38 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "CatNipped" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Barry" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> >>> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> >>> cornmeal.
>
> >>> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> >>> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> >>> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> >>> they just let them lay there.
> >>> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> >> Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of
> >> taurine.
>
> > He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.
>
> Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with cats
> reads this.
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

Thank you CN, nooo, I didn't know that about taurine.

Well, for real.. it's not that often, but if they like peas.. that's
ok ain't it?
We talking table scraps.

Then.. ever time I cook ribs and stuff they get the big bones to
woller.

body sweat
April 18th 07, 06:15 PM
On Apr 18, 12:30 pm, Lis > wrote:
> On Apr 18, 8:07 am, Barry > wrote:
>
> > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> > Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> > cornmeal.
>
> > I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> > prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> > I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> > they just let them lay there.
> > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> Cats, unlike humans and dogs, are obligate carnivores. They're more
> different from us than any other domestic animal. A cat fed a healthy-
> for-humans (healthy-for-dogs) diet would first go blind and then die--
> lack of taurine, most notably but not exclusively. A certain amount
> of roughage aids digestion of the meat, but they don't get nutrition
> directly from the vegetable matter. You're not "feeding" your cats
> table scrap vegetables; you're OFFERING this garbage to them, and
> they're sensibly refusing it.
>
> Lis

you're ignorant.

So far, Sheelagh and CatNipped are the only ones who post with a
"normal" non-judgmental reply.

What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess

mlbriggs
April 18th 07, 06:17 PM
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:23 -0400, cybercat wrote:

>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.
>>
>> Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with
>> cats reads this.
>>
>
> I wasn't criticizing you, CN. When Barry puts a stupid question out there,
> of course you have to answer it. Just the fact that he raised it might mean
> to some people that there's nothing wrong with feeding their cats what
> they eat--onions and all, no taurine and all. Despite the fact that there is
> an entire industry built upon the fact that cats have different nutritional
> needs.


Here's what I do. When I see a post from "Barely" I kill fill it.

body sweat
April 18th 07, 06:25 PM
On Apr 18, 1:17 pm, mlbriggs > wrote:

> Here's what I do. When I see a post from "Barely" I kill fill it.

back-stabber

cybercat
April 18th 07, 06:30 PM
"body sweat" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 18, 12:30 pm, Lis > wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 8:07 am, Barry > wrote:
>>
>> > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>>
>> > Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>>
>> > cornmeal.
>>
>> > I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
>> > prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>>
>> > I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
>> > they just let them lay there.
>> > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>>
>> Cats, unlike humans and dogs, are obligate carnivores. They're more
>> different from us than any other domestic animal. A cat fed a healthy-
>> for-humans (healthy-for-dogs) diet would first go blind and then die--
>> lack of taurine, most notably but not exclusively. A certain amount
>> of roughage aids digestion of the meat, but they don't get nutrition
>> directly from the vegetable matter. You're not "feeding" your cats
>> table scrap vegetables; you're OFFERING this garbage to them, and
>> they're sensibly refusing it.
>>
>> Lis
>
> you're ignorant.
>
> So far, Sheelagh and CatNipped are the only ones who post with a
> "normal" non-judgmental reply.
>
> What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess
>

Let me guess. She needs to get laid or has PMS or hates men, because she
thinks you're an idiot.

Oh yes, that has to be it.

Sherry
April 18th 07, 06:51 PM
On Apr 18, 12:12 pm, body sweat > wrote:>
> Well, for real.. it's not that often, but if they like peas.. that's
> ok ain't it?
> We talking table scraps.
>
> Then.. ever time I cook ribs and stuff they get the big bones to
> woller.- Hide quoted text -

Barry, I don't think bits of table food, as long as it's not highly
seasoned or has onion, actually
hurts the cat. I had a cat who adored canteloupe and he always got a
couple of bites. But the problem
that comes in is, if they get to liking it too much, they'll refuse
their own food, because they
figure you'll cave in and give them table food.

Sherry

body sweat
April 18th 07, 06:55 PM
On Apr 18, 10:56 am, "cybercat" > wrote:

> That's what really makes me ill.

Then my work is done here.

body sweat
April 18th 07, 06:56 PM
On Apr 18, 1:17 pm, mlbriggs > wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:23 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
> > "CatNipped" > wrote
> >>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.
>
> >> Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with
> >> cats reads this.
>
> > I wasn't criticizing you, CN. When Barry puts a stupid question out there,
> > of course you have to answer it. Just the fact that he raised it might mean
> > to some people that there's nothing wrong with feeding their cats what
> > they eat--onions and all, no taurine and all. Despite the fact that there is
> > an entire industry built upon the fact that cats have different nutritional
> > needs.
>
> Here's what I do. When I see a post from "Barely" I kill fill it.

you forgot the part where you talk my head of first briggs

YES! you did. Needed a mufu then didn't you

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 08:10 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>>> He knows this. That's what really makes me ill.
>>
>> Yeah, I know, but it's worth repeating in case someone unfamiliar with
>> cats reads this.
>>
>
> I wasn't criticizing you, CN. When Barry puts a stupid question out there,
> of course you have to answer it. Just the fact that he raised it might
> mean
> to some people that there's nothing wrong with feeding their cats what
> they eat--onions and all, no taurine and all. Despite the fact that there
> is
> an entire industry built upon the fact that cats have different
> nutritional
> needs.

True, not every cat owner is an ailurophile (not even most). Some people
just start feeding a homeless stray and have no idea of how to take care of
the little fellow. Sometimes it takes years, several unwanted litters, or
something going wrong before they even think to take their cat to the vet.
TV commercials make it seem like Meow Mix is the epitome of feline cuisine,
so they don't question that either and often figure they can cut down on the
expense of food by supplementing their cat's diet with table scraps.

When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup about
cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not a lot of
bull**** (that's one reason I never did get too heavily into rpch+b -
there's a lot of bull**** to wade through here, and the posters who have the
most time on their hands and post incessantly and voluminously are,
unfortunately, often the worse offenders).

I don't want to discourage those novice cat owners or fault them just for
being "typical" cat owners and not devoting their lives to their cats (as
some of us do - mea culpa). And unlike some who have expressed differing
opinions about this here in the past, I happen to think a "casual" cat slave
is better for a cat than no cat slave at all.

I just thought to do my part to give out some good information to those
"casual" cat slaves who stuck their toe in the pool here! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

cybercat
April 18th 07, 09:44 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
> When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup
> about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not a
> lot of bull**** (that's one reason I never did get too heavily into
> rpch+b - there's a lot of bull**** to wade through here, and the posters
> who have the most time on their hands and post incessantly and
> voluminously are, unfortunately, often the worse offenders).

8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha!

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 09:52 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>> When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup
>> about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not
>> a lot of bull**** (that's one reason I never did get too heavily into
>> rpch+b - there's a lot of bull**** to wade through here, and the posters
>> who have the most time on their hands and post incessantly and
>> voluminously are, unfortunately, often the worse offenders).
>
> 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha!

Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less bull**** -
in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise ration" on
UseNet is appallling! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 09:53 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote in message
...
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "CatNipped" > wrote
>>> When they do get interested enough to start subscribing to a newsgroup
>>> about cats, they really need to be given straight up information and not
>>> a lot of bull**** (that's one reason I never did get too heavily into
>>> rpch+b - there's a lot of bull**** to wade through here, and the posters
>>> who have the most time on their hands and post incessantly and
>>> voluminously are, unfortunately, often the worse offenders).
>>
>> 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha!
>
> Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less bull**** -
> in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise ration" on

^^^^

Um, ratio. I'm sure I've just added to it!!! LOL

Hugs,

CatNipped

> UseNet is appallling! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
>

cybercat
April 18th 07, 09:56 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
>>
>> 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha!
>
> Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less bull**** -
> in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise ration" on
> UseNet is appallling! ;>
>

You know I love you, Lori. Regarding noise, I just recently began using
killfiles for that reason. But I try not to wave it around like a hard
little
pecker and announce it every time I use it, MU haha!

About "noise"--I think it just boils down to what gets on your nerves.

Off-topic posts can be fun if you like who is doing them or the offtopic
topic. Or on-topic posts can be really annoying due to what the person
has to say, or the way they say it.

I used to say that killfiles are for pussies. Now I say, "maybe, but if it's
okay for a pussy it's okay for me." :)

cybercat
April 18th 07, 09:57 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
>
> Um, ratio. I'm sure I've just added to it!!! LOL
>

Well, it's happy noise.

CN, you seem a little defensive.I'm one of the good guys,
remember?

:

Lis
April 18th 07, 10:04 PM
On Apr 18, 1:15 pm, body sweat > wrote:
> On Apr 18, 12:30 pm, Lis > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 8:07 am, Barry > wrote:
>
> > > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> > > Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> > > cornmeal.
>
> > > I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> > > prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> > > I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> > > they just let them lay there.
> > > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> > Cats, unlike humans and dogs, are obligate carnivores. They're more
> > different from us than any other domestic animal. A cat fed a healthy-
> > for-humans (healthy-for-dogs) diet would first go blind and then die--
> > lack of taurine, most notably but not exclusively. A certain amount
> > of roughage aids digestion of the meat, but they don't get nutrition
> > directly from the vegetable matter. You're not "feeding" your cats
> > table scrap vegetables; you're OFFERING this garbage to them, and
> > they're sensibly refusing it.
>
> > Lis
>
> you're ignorant.
>
> So far, Sheelagh and CatNipped are the only ones who post with a
> "normal" non-judgmental reply.
>
> What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess- Hide quoted text -

I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to
prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats;
leftover veggies that the human decides to give to the cat, and which
it refuses on the sensible grounds that from a cat's view point
they're not food, are garbage. This is true regardless of the good
intentions of the human. And if the cat does eat them, it's junk food,
not good nutrition. Again, regardless of the intentions or knowledge
level of the human.

Lis

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 10:10 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>>
>> Um, ratio. I'm sure I've just added to it!!! LOL
>>
>
> Well, it's happy noise.
>
> CN, you seem a little defensive.I'm one of the good guys,
> remember?

No, not defensive - it's probably just the "bane of e-communications" that
it's hard to judge intent when you don't have inflection, body language,
etc. I was just trying to be funny and failing! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

body sweat
April 18th 07, 10:14 PM
On Apr 18, 5:04 pm, Lis > wrote:
> On Apr 18, 1:15 pm, body sweat > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 12:30 pm, Lis > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 18, 8:07 am, Barry > wrote:
>
> > > > If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> > > > Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> > > > cornmeal.
>
> > > > I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> > > > prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> > > > I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> > > > they just let them lay there.
> > > > Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> > > Cats, unlike humans and dogs, are obligate carnivores. They're more
> > > different from us than any other domestic animal. A cat fed a healthy-
> > > for-humans (healthy-for-dogs) diet would first go blind and then die--
> > > lack of taurine, most notably but not exclusively. A certain amount
> > > of roughage aids digestion of the meat, but they don't get nutrition
> > > directly from the vegetable matter. You're not "feeding" your cats
> > > table scrap vegetables; you're OFFERING this garbage to them, and
> > > they're sensibly refusing it.
>
> > > Lis
>
> > you're ignorant.
>
> > So far, Sheelagh and CatNipped are the only ones who post with a
> > "normal" non-judgmental reply.
>
> > What's wrong Lis? or do I even need to guess- Hide quoted text -
>
> I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to
> prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats;
> leftover veggies that the human decides to give to the cat, and which
> it refuses on the sensible grounds that from a cat's view point
> they're not food, are garbage. This is true regardless of the good
> intentions of the human. And if the cat does eat them, it's junk food,
> not good nutrition. Again, regardless of the intentions or knowledge
> level of the human.
>
> Lis

I really don't have time to teach you how to be objective.

Support your claims if you believe it that much...

Im telling on you! Lot's of people here feed veggies to dey cats...
im telling!

CatNipped
April 18th 07, 10:16 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>>>
>>> 8D This from a reformed anecdolt! hahahahaha!
>>
>> Oh I never *ONCE* claimed that any other newsgroup has any less
>> bull**** - in fact I'm quite sure they *ALL* do! The "signal to noise
>> ration" on UseNet is appallling! ;>
>>
>
> You know I love you, Lori. Regarding noise, I just recently began using
> killfiles for that reason. But I try not to wave it around like a hard
> little
> pecker and announce it every time I use it, MU haha!

ROTFLMAO! I know exactly what you mean - like poking a person
cybernetically saying "so there, I got you. haha. I took my ball and went
home and I'm not going to play with you anymore!".

> About "noise"--I think it just boils down to what gets on your nerves.

Exactly - I have a great deal of patience with genuinely interesting, but
off-topic discussions, but very little patience for pure nonsense unendingly
spewed seemingly just to validate a rather inane and valueless existence!

> Off-topic posts can be fun if you like who is doing them or the offtopic
> topic. Or on-topic posts can be really annoying due to what the person
> has to say, or the way they say it.

True.

> I used to say that killfiles are for pussies. Now I say, "maybe, but if
> it's
> okay for a pussy it's okay for me." :)

Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand
knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

cybercat
April 18th 07, 10:40 PM
"Lis" > wrote
> I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to
> prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats;
> leftover veggies that the human decides to give to the cat, and which
> it refuses on the sensible grounds that from a cat's view point
> they're not food, are garbage. This is true regardless of the good
> intentions of the human. And if the cat does eat them, it's junk food,
> not good nutrition. Again, regardless of the intentions or knowledge
> level of the human.
>

Barry is an ass. He's been reading this group for years, has seen
discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.

body sweat
April 18th 07, 10:41 PM
On Apr 18, 5:16 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:

> Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand
> knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;>

I know the TYPE!

You POPPED the Parker Bro's "Trouble" game through the Christmas
paper...

I know the type

cybercat
April 18th 07, 10:48 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote in message
...
> "Barry" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>>
>> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>>
>> cornmeal.
>>
>> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
>> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>>
>> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
>> they just let them lay there.
>> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> Cats fed on a "human" diet would go blind and then die for lack of
> taurine.
>

He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in
the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention.

cybercat
April 18th 07, 10:50 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
> Exactly - I have a great deal of patience with genuinely interesting, but
> off-topic discussions, but very little patience for pure nonsense
> unendingly spewed seemingly just to validate a rather inane and valueless
> existence!
>

Oh I see you've met Barry!

cybercat
April 18th 07, 10:51 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
> Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand
> knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;>
>

This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this?
You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they
know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really
killfile them.

body sweat
April 18th 07, 11:08 PM
On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:

> Barry is an ass.

Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop.

> He's been reading this group for years, has seen
> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.

my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove

pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type.

Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE
you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it.
May as well hold on to something.

cybercat
April 18th 07, 11:10 PM
"body sweat" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> Barry is an ass.
>
> Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop.
>
>> He's been reading this group for years, has seen
>> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
>> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
>> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.
>
> my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove
>
> pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type.
>
> Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE
> you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it.
> May as well hold on to something.
>

Yes, I remember when you asked me for something to "cling
to." I have always been a sucker for strays that followed me
home. To a point.

cybercat
April 18th 07, 11:11 PM
"body sweat" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> Barry is an ass.
>
> Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop.
>
>> He's been reading this group for years, has seen
>> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
>> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
>> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.
>
> my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove
>
> pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type.
>
> Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE
> you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it.
> May as well hold on to something.

You meant passive aggressive. And I'm not mad at you any more,
I just don't like you. It was a long run, you got a bit out of it. Let it
go.

cybercat
April 19th 07, 12:33 AM
"ode de sweat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this?
>> You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they
>> know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really
>> killfile them.
>>
>
> then there's the part where google only allows 10 posts per day
>

You know you should use a real newsreader, Barry. Did you try Gravity?

ode de sweat
April 19th 07, 12:34 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...

> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this?
> You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they
> know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really
> killfile them.
>

then there's the part where google only allows 10 posts per day

ode de sweat
April 19th 07, 12:35 AM
"Sherry" > wrote in message
ups.com...

> Barry, I don't think bits of table food, as long as it's not highly
> seasoned or has onion, actually
> hurts the cat. I had a cat who adored canteloupe and he always got a
> couple of bites. But the problem
> that comes in is, if they get to liking it too much, they'll refuse
> their own food, because they
> figure you'll cave in and give them table food.
>
> Sherry
>

so it's not garbage <sniff sniff>

I love my cats

Lynne
April 19th 07, 03:17 AM
on Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:51:48 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this?
> You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they
> know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really
> killfile them.

If I can't see it, it's not there! Unless some mofo quotes it...

--
Lynne


"We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And sad enough to know
We must laugh again"

~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech

body sweat
April 19th 07, 03:37 AM
On Apr 18, 7:33 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:

> You know you should use a real newsreader, Barry. Did you try Gravity?

I did, but it didn't do well negotiating the network.
They still back in the UUCP age, the NNTP is far superior.

The difference is, one is stored on a hard drive, the latter is live
and inter-active.
it's a thrilling and exciting time for networking.

Besides, I need these checks google keeps sending me.. it's not a
helluva lot, but plenty to help them work out the bugs.. the perks are
good too.. drives my click based album sales.

You like the little stars they put on their page? post rating stars? I
did that.
You like the new feature where you can reply to 10 posts at the same
time and scroll to the orig text? it was based on my idea... I was
just wanting a blitz.

Now the NNTP would be of greater interest to you, so you might
consider updating your software (if they are even going to work on it
one day)...
as... you get far superior header information, this will help you with
your quirky practice of sticking your nose up the ass of peoples post.
laugh out loud.

Gravity is ok for 4th graders.

Lis
April 19th 07, 04:35 AM
On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Lis" > wrote
>
> > I've reread what I wrote several times now, and see nothing in it to
> > prompt your response. Veggies are nutritionally useless for cats;
> > leftover veggies that the human decides to give to the cat, and which
> > it refuses on the sensible grounds that from a cat's view point
> > they're not food, are garbage. This is true regardless of the good
> > intentions of the human. And if the cat does eat them, it's junk food,
> > not good nutrition. Again, regardless of the intentions or knowledge
> > level of the human.
>
> Barry is an ass. He's been reading this group for years, has seen
> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.

Oh, is THAT what it's supposed to be. Wow. A little off the mark, I'd
have to say.

Lis

body sweat
April 19th 07, 04:41 AM
On Apr 18, 6:10 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "body sweat" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
> >> Barry is an ass.
>
> > Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop.
>
> >> He's been reading this group for years, has seen
> >> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
> >> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
> >> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.
>
> > my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove
>
> > pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type.
>
> > Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE
> > you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it.
> > May as well hold on to something.
>
> Yes, I remember when you asked me for something to "cling
> to." I have always been a sucker for strays that followed me
> home. To a point.

nope, never asked you for that, I said, I wanted something I could
cleave to

you are cruel and you know it, just let it go

body sweat
April 19th 07, 04:49 AM
On Apr 18, 11:35 pm, Lis > wrote:

> Oh, is THAT what it's supposed to be. Wow. A little off the mark, I'd
> have to say.
>
> Lis

Sooo what do you say Lis, true or false...

if we can live on it so can cats...

my cats eat canned food all day everday... I call myself being
provocative

that was the orig question... why you spooned up to cyberag is
becoming quite obvious

try to have some fun here

Matthew
April 19th 07, 04:50 AM
"body sweat" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> Barry is an ass.
>
> Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop.
>
>> He's been reading this group for years, has seen
>> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
>> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
>> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.
>
> my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove
>

I think I am going to be sick. That was one mental oicture I could have
lived without



> pulease! you wish I was this opprobrious type.
>
> Im watcha call passive passive passive passive OBSESSIVE
> you get 4 chances with me.. on the fifth... you asked for it.
> May as well hold on to something.
>
>
>

thug gangsta bookie fan
April 19th 07, 06:04 AM
On Apr 18, 5:48 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:

> But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention.

any expense to validate your ranting

everybody sees through you

Lori did a beautiful job avoiding your pit. And that's not speaking
for her! That's just my opinion.

Lori should engage herself in some sort of arbitration services,
something where she has to put her spin on it. She does not over
simplify a matter, that's good because it could possibly make a
listener feel... dumb.

she has a very eloquent yet street straight way of putting things that
does not offend. She does it with grace, I'm sure it's just her way,
but it is very close to art to me.

I am extremely interested in how people understand me or not.
I go to lengths.. if I feel I am being misunderstood, I am fast to add
something to clear it up... I don't care who it is or what it is
about..

teeny misunderstandings can cost a person a tremendous amount, I don't
under-estimate the power of being understood.

I personally didn't see her as being slightly defensive.. not at all.

Just shooting straight I guess.

Did you want her to flame me some? is that it?
couldn't quite get her to hate me eh? She's not like that.
Well she agreed that she felt I knew about taurine... but she also saw
an opportunity to educate new cat slaves. and.. on the whim that I
actually did not know about taurine, she showed her common sense by
extending the benefit of the doubt...

it's not like I said.. let's feed a cat bacon at every meal, or
something obviously bad for them, and what I have read... you and most
here are waaay off target if you really wanna spoil your cat. If you
really wanna spoil them, make their own food! I would If i knew how or
had time and money etc...

So.. you're caught in gile. She's not interested in ganging up on
anybody.
Maybe you're typical barry bashing bull**** is why she was skirting
your tail.
YOU on the other hand seemed a little disappointed in her response.
I bet she hasn't thought any more about today, and I bet she don't
read this if ever! till a week from now.

I feel sorry for you.

You sitting there with no nose, whining outcha mouth about it
you got two holes on the front of your skull where your nose used to
be.

You did a dirty ****y thing to me, You goddamn ****ing know it

**** you
and your nasty ****ing attitude

Lori is above it

but! Lori also knows you are a bit touched.. and for wiw, she will
preserve the side of you that can be very congenial and helpful and
funny etc.

ode de sweat
April 19th 07, 06:46 AM
On Apr 18, 5:48 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:

> He seems stupid

Well I'm hating what I said already.

I just hate it.

I have to clear the record about you

You are, extremely giving and kind and loving and witty and funny and
helpful and nurturing.

I know for a fact that you have totally misunderstood me on enough occasions
to cause some breakdown between us... you made a federal case when I know in
my heart what I meant, yet.. I could never explain myself in a way that was
understandable. I blame me? ok.. fine.. but... there's nothing wrong with a
tad of faith, and taking me at face value either.

All told, the resounding words that fall on my mind like leafs is children.
We have behaved like children. I admit. She hit me first. He hit me first.

I do love you, I care about you...

brb.. wants to post this now

ode de sweat
April 19th 07, 06:51 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
> He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in
> the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention.

I don't have a problem with you at all...

I can't really think of anything that turns me off.

While I hate what I've said, I am not ashamed, I should be... but I'm not...
but it is a shame!

because... I would not have anger if there was not love.

You just don't realize some things.

I realize you feel you do, but I can assure you, you don't.
You think you do. I know that.

I can look at you squarely, evenly, sensibly.

What I can't understand is how you do not see the sacrifice on my part, what
things have cost me.

Yet you seem content to rip me.

It could be the most heartfelt thing I have ever dredged out of my heart,
and you would throw a hot cup of coffee on it.
This only speaks to me about your experiences.

I don't think you have it out for men, I just think you're angry.

brb, I wanna post this

ode de sweat
April 19th 07, 08:16 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...

> He seems stupid

When it comes down to it... no matter how you phrase it... no matter how YOU
phrase it

You don't understand what I'm up to, or just how I intend to get there...
well.. Ill tell it..;.

I hate a 9 - 5 job. I've been my own employer for going on 12 years now.
I've done ok.. nothing to totally glow about.. but.. where I come from? I've
done something.

I'm a nobody. Nothing.
I'm just nothing.

You brought "us" into the group here.

Hell with it, that's fine.. we just home folk here.

I apologize for coming off so hard, but let's be honest, you are writing
checks that your character does not cover.
(that's tween you and me.. but.. it comes off redneck and insincere totally)

You talk like you've paved your own way, yet.. everybody knows Mark brings
home the bread and butter.
and YOU.. You've been exceptional with your self motivation and working for
yourself etc...
I've always applauded your work and genius.

I love your independence and handle your business mentality

let me make this even shorter.

I can't work like I got good pussy at home and you are a million miles
away..
yet.. be here for you, and keep a roof over my own head, Im a fool Im an
idiot! but I can't do it!

I don't emotionally and responsively... re-act that way.

Was I ever depending on you? hell no!

Did you ever come through? that's between you and me. as it should be.

You talk about all this "**** you money" you hope to get.

I think you found a nice little oppurtunity to vent some serious hurt and
anger.
I am bigger than all of that. Yet, I am wise enough to know... I do not want
anymore of it.

Lemme say this real quick, There is no slams or f'u's at the end of this
letter.
There is no punch line. I won't lead you up to a harsh and unkind word like
I just did....

I am convinced that I don't know you.

Part of the reason, and maybe someone can shed some light on this.. part of
the reason I love you, is because you love me.
I don't know if that's valid or not... maybe that's not healthy, I don't
know. but it's the facts.

You talk like you own me, yet... you are so.... submissive in private.

I told you.. Im passive passive passive passive agressive

proof? BAM this letter!

you have picked on me for days now.

I've got my complaints but I don't trust you no more.

I am willing to trust you... it's hard in letters and words to see if you're
being straight...
but I am willing to trust you. You've committed a crime of the heart with
me.

I'm a sap when it comes to love.

I married the first woman I ever knew.
I married the second woman who showed an interest in me.
I see this as... insecure on my part.

I had a woman who I thought loved me and I trusted defraud me...
my response to that was... hell with it.. Ill throw it on a wall before I
give her anymore.
and so it went.. I left her.

How dare someone break the oneness because of a petit disagreement.
Yet.. you run back in and have some when SHE says so.. and you're a pussy!
You get no more respect. Hell with some physical pleasure. I have suffered
enough
that it's really no big deal for me to abstain. Make me go one mile, I'll
give you two.

You remove respect from a relationship and there's nothing left.

and like Iben said.. some people only learn through bad experiences...
actually? he was spot on.
And that's been me. From one nasty mistake to another.. my crime personally
has been...
not applying myself to what I am supposed to be doing and why is that?
Because I craved and desperately needed some love. You would think if I am
so close to God and all that I would have some love.
I love people, but I know all about me and to love and respect myself.. does
not and has never come easy..

I don't compare myself to other men.. that's a mistake. I judge myself by
the weight of my heart.

You may be dripping with potential.. but it galls my ass to see you beneath
a burden un-neccisarily.
You assume! that you know better than me... and you wanna soothesay all
through my life..
but you are not willing to listen.

but see... it's all good until I cross your comfort or security zone.

You have ZERO NOTHING AT ALL TO LOSE

You can just hang up the phone, turn the computer off, wipe your mouth, flip
your channels, get that check from Mark.

I don't despise anything you have set yourself to. Marriage, school,
pursuits... none of it.
I pride myself on being secure enough to have no need for reassurance when
it comes to love.
That's the kind of love I need. Maybe it's not that way mutually, I don't
know.

You don't know what costs I have paid. You just don't.

yet.. you can be smug with me.

That's a pity for both of us in the end.. and...
well.. as I say, you've really committed no crime, other than breaking my
trust.

I know what you're thinking, but you don't know me... you think you do.

Sure, you know what I look like and do, but.. far as on the inside?
we never got that far.

You probably don't care to know me at this point. I can deal with that.

My heart tells me, I do not want you to feel subtracted from.
I had hoped to put something into your life.

I am quick, like Charlie to be turned off by things that remind me of the
women I have known and that be 3

I don't do coke, never done crack, I like a joint from time to time, and
even less, I like a cold beer.

Creatively speaking, the how many 1,000's upon 1,000's? these which I as an
adult... was a part of...
because I was crazy about you... they do not always lend themselves to my
creativity.. yet..
that is how I will win the world!

I don't have a passion for the world, but I think it's reasonable to get on
satelitte and speak to the tv viewing world at some point.
and what do we want but peace. and an end to suffering.

I do not despise or see adversity as bad... all the good this world has ever
known has come by way of.. blood, suffering, toil..
personal sacrifice.. I am no exception, somebody at some point will have to
pay the price..

I am angry because you want a house, I am angry that you worry about a bill
that's not due for 3 more days, I am angry that you get happy!
When a bill is paid.. as if 30 days is a forever away.. I say.. be happy
everyday.

But thing is! If good loving was at home, those things are built in, I know
because I've had good loving, and have seen how I operate first hand under
those circumstances.. and those little guaranteed 50 hours a week plus full
bennies... come in real handy with good loving at home. Good fine meals
before fun-time...
make it even better!

but by myself... I don't feel that way! I am ****ed! I am furios! My soul
man is pacing up and down and to and fro, and nothing quenches but to... do.
and live it! to persue it!

I don't want anything from you. I feel what I owe you is general kindness
and encouragement... I keep waiting for you to snap and come together.. in a
way that my mind and heart can interpret.. but I have gotten what I've paid
for.

I can say the most elaborate meaningful thing to you, and feel a swelling
love in my bowels for you, and you're reply historically has been ripping
and devisive.

It became a numbing agent to my heart and mind and soul.

The Lord hears me say this Nancy.. I tell you no lie.. I would open emails
and flinch! as I read through them.. waiting on the burr, the "but"...

I am certain, I have misunderstood you at times in this same way. This is a
mistake that could or probably should be cleared up.. believe me now...
I never meant to be anything less than a gentlemen and... a good man towards
you, a good friend.

You got a complaint? I say oh really? have I lied to you?
Did I trick you? did I compel you in your way? no

but I regret every foul word I spoke in anger.
I can never remove them.. but maybe cause them to fade with goodness..
and yeah! I have met my match when it comes to shocking truths.

You know enough about me to love me.

I will never tell you... how I would have responded to any action.
ya just don't know.

Why should I go all out and lay my heart out... I send words of kindness..
or I forget to dot an i, then out of the blue, I'm a mufu.
an asshole...

naaaahhh, I never bout that! I have been an ass.. who doesn't know that..
but I think my admittance of being human, and my speed to apologize.. show
the truth.

you know what. My heart is tender. I'm not hard! I can be with some
things... I guess...
like a begger getting beer money.. I can say no. I offer to buy food.. but
not beer.

I was never given over to myself, to my affections and lusts and passions,
never! I'm sure you have not either.. but I take a lot of pride in that.
When all of my peers were sexing and drugging it up, I was fast at the
piano.. anything but defile myself with the lusts in my body.
drugs or sex or foul music or whatever! Im clean! on the inside and in my
conscience except when it comes to us.

You are married.

Maybe this was just a thing we both did not intend to get swept and caught
up in...

but Nancy, you can believe that... if I spoke a hard word...99 perc of
that... was probably a huge misunderstanding.
put the rest on my humanity and then.. if there's room.. forgive me..
knowing! that all of us offend.

If anyone can refrain from offending in words then they are perfect. It is
no easy task to bridle the tongue or pen.
but... I hope to make it easy by being sincere and apologizing.

You have been wonderful to me. All those words you thought I took for
granted? H E L L N O!
I kept every one safe in my heart. Each new word you spoke to me... made my
heart glow all the more.
I was just never quite sure where to put some words you gave me, lol.. ooops
not in there!

and I am plauged with this shell! this creature of clay, this poor pitiful
excuse for a man.
won't take a job, swears God will provide everything!

but you know ... before you and me met.. money flowed to me like water....
The more I got the more I gave away...

I knew.. if I loved you, it would cost me everything and it has.

I got so low in my business, I actually took to scaveging road-side heaps..
for semi-precious metals.

It's all good.. I've learned this! I know me. I knew I would end up
impoverished if I loved with all my heart.
but I did not care, and that! is where I need healing, I need help. I know
the way.. I am walking it now.
I can't think about you. I can't have you. I can't. We can! but there is a
way to go about it, and we are waaay past the time that action would have
been honorable.
but.. it stung my heart 2 and 3 and 4 years later Nancy.

And you flaunted your position, you flayed me with it.

ftr... I am huge jokester.. I got you sooo many times...

do I fault you? nooooo I don't.

but.. if all this love is real between us or if it was real, then the
actions were not adding up.

I think our hearts grew weary of longing, of wanting and needing to touch.
Then there's the part where you get so angry you lose control and do dirty
things to me.. even before I had a chance to reply.

For example. I pull myself up by the bootstraps.. go out and kill a nice
contract... for money...
and.. since I'm gone all day... you thought I was being childish...
so... I get home.. and start to read your mails..

I want to put this in a way that is not telling.. but you remember how
quickly things would detioriate in my absence.
it could happen inside of hours. lol

you know it's true!

For all the mean childish things I've said, I apologize. I didn't think
about it, it was just a reflex..most of it was childish.

I always felt that if I could see you, then you would see.. that I am not
out for me. I mean.. my actions and gentleness could speak for me.

I don't want your rotten ass now! You done went to far!

well.. I can forgive for sure! I already have.
for what? you probably don't even know.

See.. what messed me up was certain.. supernatural things that happened
between us.

like.. the evening I wrote you a fun letter and accused you of being off on
ebay buying a purple monkey and a green elephant...
and you damn sure was! how the hell! so I just figured we was supposed to do
something good together.. but maybe not romantic love...

It was bigger than me.. the whole thing...

then there was the time when our security codes on the back of our CC's THEY
MATCHED!

we had the same security code, yet our cards were issued in different years
and by different logos.


what up? was all that a trick? have you tricked me?

I believed you in everything till you told me you lied...

I always prided myself in believing that there was good people left in the
world. Good honest people, just good poeple.
You proved to me that my hopes! were not in vain! Not because of some gift I
said.,. noooo.. please pay your bills or don't do this or that
cat food was small, we know that. I was always overwhelmed at your
generosity.. yet.. I was willing to be here for you... behind it.
not because of it.. but.. I saw your gifts as YOUR way of saying thank you
for something, I wasn't always sure.

I actually felt deserving of any gifts.. sometimes because of a hurt (im
just being honest).. or sometimes I accepted something on credit.
meaning.. I am good for it, as I knew I was interested enough in you, to
accept it.. acceptance in and of itself was a message built into the
recieving.

but we went down hill baby, me and you both took a hit on the business
side... somebody had to pen and reply to 1000,'s and 1,000's and 1,000's of
emails.

I felt I knew you up to a certain point, and I was convinced that you had
stopped moving towards me, and you had hoped I could be content with the
love you gave... it wasn't the love.. I grew to despise your complacency, as
it pertained to us.

I hated that we had platued.. yet. you grew accusing and angry that I too
had stopped. but I only stopped because you had.
I had to be true to my own heart. It wasn't fair of you to expect me to open
more.. if you won't.

yeah! you had confirmed my belief that there were good people in the world
that were like... God's pawns! your love spoke more to me than anything.
your proprietary gifts were tokens of an aching heart.. cause that's how I
took it. I never coveted anything from you...

I have and had all I needed when we met.. I saw your existence as being a
bit hectic and well earned! I didn't want money. or things.

We have behaved like children, and like children we should say ****it all
and let the past be the past... I have done you no harm.

Regardless of how things are... in spite of your humanity or weakness... I
still believe there are good people in the world.
why? because I am good. I can be a total ass... but when I do wrong.. wheter
someone taught me or not.. I can feel when I've
done something wrong, and then.. I can't wait to apologize.

I love when someone comes back to me and says sorry, I do the same thing.
I can't tell the times I've gone plenty out of my way and time to undo
something, or at least try..
yet at the time of the offense.. I felt zero guilt... but if I get down the
road.. and something is on my heart..
I have to go back and try apologize... 99/100 times.. I am lucky and get
forgiven, maybe because of sincerity?
maybe because of extending choice? I don't know.. but I am lucky.

and.. given the misunderstandings, I can't say I fully understand your anger
or any right to feel hurt...
but... if you say so.. then.. that's what it is to you... maybe I could
explain, maybe I can't.. I don't know.

See.. you have been true in many ways.. remember the little part about.. you
wanting me to open more.. yet I feel you have stopped...
I at least feel you have been fair with your expectations about wheter or
not I would leave you standing or... put my arms around you.

It's not about ego, or anything. You know.. what it's about is.. you are a
good woman, and you are doing the right thing

if me being a muther****er helps you leave me alone.. then... ill just
quit...

I can walk away.. I may not wan to.. but who can argue with what is right.

I cared about you Nancy, we worked through many misunderstandings...
seems to me.. this time.. you are just avoiding an ass whipping.. at all
costs

seems to me you don't wanna own up to things...
seems to me you love me

cats are YUMMY
April 19th 07, 08:28 AM
On Apr 19, 3:16 am, "ode de sweat" > wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > He seems stupid
>
> When it comes down to it... no matter how you phrase it... no matter how YOU
> phrase it
>
> You don't understand what I'm up to, or just how I intend to get there...
> well.. Ill tell it..;.
>
> I hate a 9 - 5 job. I've been my own employer for going on 12 years now.
> I've done ok.. nothing to totally glow about.. but.. where I come from? I've
> done something.
>
> I'm a nobody. Nothing.
> I'm just nothing.
>
> You brought "us" into the group here.
>
> Hell with it, that's fine.. we just home folk here.
>
> I apologize for coming off so hard, but let's be honest, you are writing
> checks that your character does not cover.
> (that's tween you and me.. but.. it comes off redneck and insincere totally)
>
> You talk like you've paved your own way, yet.. everybody knows Mark brings
> home the bread and butter.
> and YOU.. You've been exceptional with your self motivation and working for
> yourself etc...
> I've always applauded your work and genius.
>
> I love your independence and handle your business mentality
>
> let me make this even shorter.
>
> I can't work like I got good pussy at home and you are a million miles
> away..
> yet.. be here for you, and keep a roof over my own head, Im a fool Im an
> idiot! but I can't do it!
>
> I don't emotionally and responsively... re-act that way.
>
> Was I ever depending on you? hell no!
>
> Did you ever come through? that's between you and me. as it should be.
>
> You talk about all this "**** you money" you hope to get.
>
> I think you found a nice little oppurtunity to vent some serious hurt and
> anger.
> I am bigger than all of that. Yet, I am wise enough to know... I do not want
> anymore of it.
>
> Lemme say this real quick, There is no slams or f'u's at the end of this
> letter.
> There is no punch line. I won't lead you up to a harsh and unkind word like
> I just did....
>
> I am convinced that I don't know you.
>
> Part of the reason, and maybe someone can shed some light on this.. part of
> the reason I love you, is because you love me.
> I don't know if that's valid or not... maybe that's not healthy, I don't
> know. but it's the facts.
>
> You talk like you own me, yet... you are so.... submissive in private.
>
> I told you.. Im passive passive passive passive agressive
>
> proof? BAM this letter!
>
> you have picked on me for days now.
>
> I've got my complaints but I don't trust you no more.
>
> I am willing to trust you... it's hard in letters and words to see if you're
> being straight...
> but I am willing to trust you. You've committed a crime of the heart with
> me.
>
> I'm a sap when it comes to love.
>
> I married the first woman I ever knew.
> I married the second woman who showed an interest in me.
> I see this as... insecure on my part.
>
> I had a woman who I thought loved me and I trusted defraud me...
> my response to that was... hell with it.. Ill throw it on a wall before I
> give her anymore.
> and so it went.. I left her.
>
> How dare someone break the oneness because of a petit disagreement.
> Yet.. you run back in and have some when SHE says so.. and you're a pussy!
> You get no more respect. Hell with some physical pleasure. I have suffered
> enough
> that it's really no big deal for me to abstain. Make me go one mile, I'll
> give you two.
>
> You remove respect from a relationship and there's nothing left.
>
> and like Iben said.. some people only learn through bad experiences...
> actually? he was spot on.
> And that's been me. From one nasty mistake to another.. my crime personally
> has been...
> not applying myself to what I am supposed to be doing and why is that?
> Because I craved and desperately needed some love. You would think if I am
> so close to God and all that I would have some love.
> I love people, but I know all about me and to love and respect myself.. does
> not and has never come easy..
>
> I don't compare myself to other men.. that's a mistake. I judge myself by
> the weight of my heart.
>
> You may be dripping with potential.. but it galls my ass to see you beneath
> a burden un-neccisarily.
> You assume! that you know better than me... and you wanna soothesay all
> through my life..
> but you are not willing to listen.
>
> but see... it's all good until I cross your comfort or security zone.
>
> You have ZERO NOTHING AT ALL TO LOSE
>
> You can just hang up the phone, turn the computer off, wipe your mouth, flip
> your channels, get that check from Mark.
>
> I don't despise anything you have set yourself to. Marriage, school,
> pursuits... none of it.
> I pride myself on being secure enough to have no need for reassurance when
> it comes to love.
> That's the kind of love I need. Maybe it's not that way mutually, I don't
> know.
>
> You don't know what costs I have paid. You just don't.
>
> yet.. you can be smug with me.
>
> That's a pity for both of us in the end.. and...
> well.. as I say, you've really committed no crime, other than breaking my
> trust.
>
> I know what you're thinking, but you don't know me... you think you do.
>
> Sure, you know what I look like and do, but.. far as on the inside?
> we never got that far.
>
> You probably don't care to know me at this point. I can deal with that.
>
> My heart tells me, I do not want you to feel subtracted from.
> I had hoped to put something into your life.
>
> I am quick, like Charlie to be turned off by things that remind me of the
> women I have known and that be 3
>
> I don't do coke, never done crack, I like a joint from time to time, and
> even less, I like a cold beer.
>
> Creatively speaking, the how many 1,000's upon 1,000's? these which I as an
> adult... was a part of...
> because I was crazy about you... they do not always lend themselves to my
> creativity.. yet..
> that is how I will win the world!
>
> I don't have a passion for the world, but I think it's reasonable to get on
> satelitte and speak to the tv viewing world at some point.
> and what do we want but peace. and an end to suffering.
>
> I do not despise or see adversity as bad... all the good this world has ever
> known has come by way of.. blood, suffering, toil..
> personal sacrifice.. I am no exception, somebody at some point will have to
> pay the price..
>
> I am angry because you want a house, I am angry that you worry about a bill
> that's not due for 3 more days, I am angry that you get happy!
> When a bill is paid.. as if 30 days is a forever away.. I say.. be happy
> everyday.
>
> But thing is! If good loving was at home, those things are built in, I know
> because I've had good loving, and have seen how I operate first hand under
> those circumstances.. and those little guaranteed 50 hours a week plus full
> bennies... come in real handy with good loving at home. Good fine meals
> before fun-time...
> make it even better!
>
> but by myself... I don't feel that way! I am ****ed! I am furios! My soul
> man is pacing up and down and to and fro, and nothing quenches but to... do.
> and live it! to persue it!
>
> I don't want anything from you. I feel what I owe you is general kindness
> and encouragement... I keep waiting for you to snap and come together.. in a
> way that my mind and heart can interpret.. but I have gotten what I've paid
> for.
>
> I can say the most elaborate meaningful thing to you, and feel a swelling
> love in my bowels for you, and you're reply historically has been ripping
> and devisive.
>
> It became a numbing agent to my heart and mind and soul.
>
> The Lord hears me say this Nancy.. I tell you no lie.. I would open emails
> and flinch! as I read through them.. waiting on the burr, the "but"...
>
> I am certain, I have misunderstood you at times in this same way. This is a
> mistake that could or probably should be cleared up.. believe me now...
> I never meant to be anything less than a gentlemen and... a good man towards
> you, a good friend.
>
> You got a complaint? I say oh really? have I lied to you?
> Did I trick you? did I compel you in your way? no
>
> but I regret every foul word I spoke in anger.
> I can never remove them.. but maybe cause them to fade with goodness..
> and yeah! I have met my match when it comes to shocking truths.
>
> You know enough about me to love me.
>
> I will never tell you... how I would have responded to any action.
> ya just don't know.
>
> Why should I go all out and lay my heart out... I send words of kindness..
> or I forget to dot an i, then out of the blue, I'm a mufu.
> an asshole...
>
> naaaahhh, I never bout that! I have been an ass.. who doesn't know that..
> but I think my admittance of being human, and my speed to apologize.. show
> the truth.
>
> you know what. My heart is tender. I'm not hard! I can be with some
> things... I guess...
> like a begger getting beer money.. I can say no. I offer to buy food.. but
> not beer.
>
> I was never given over to myself, to my affections and lusts and passions,
> never! I'm sure you have not either.. but I take a lot of pride in that.
> When all of my peers were sexing and drugging it up, I was fast at the
> piano.. anything but defile myself with the lusts in my body.
> drugs or sex or foul music or whatever! Im clean! on the inside and in my
> conscience except when it comes to us.
>
> You are married.
>
> Maybe this was just a thing we both did not intend to get swept and caught
> up in...
>
> but Nancy, you can believe that... if I spoke a hard word...99 perc of
> that... was probably a huge misunderstanding.
> put the rest on my humanity and then.. if there's room.. forgive me..
> knowing! that all of us offend.
>
> If anyone can refrain from offending in words then they are perfect. It is
> no easy task to bridle the tongue or pen.
> but... I hope to make it easy by being sincere and apologizing.
>
> You have been wonderful to me. All those words you thought I took for
> granted? H E L L N O!
> I kept every one safe in my heart. Each new word you spoke to me... made my
> heart glow all the more.
> I was just never quite sure where to put some words you gave me, lol.. ooops
> not in there!
>
> and I am plauged with this shell! this creature of clay, this poor pitiful
> excuse for a man.
> won't take a job, swears God will provide everything!
>
> but you know ... before you and me met.. money flowed to me like water....
> The more I got the more I gave away...
>
> I knew.. if I loved you, it would cost me everything and it has.
>
> I got so low in my business, I actually took to scaveging road-side heaps..
> for semi-precious metals.
>
> It's all good.. I've learned this! I know me. I knew I would end up
> impoverished if I loved with all my heart.
> but I did not care, and that! is where I need healing, I need help. I know
> the way.. I am walking it now.
> I can't think about you. I can't have you. I can't. We can! but there is a
> way to go about it, and we are waaay past the time that action would have
> been honorable.
> but.. it stung my heart 2 and 3 and 4 years later Nancy.
>
> And you flaunted your position, you flayed me with it.
>
> ftr... I am huge jokester.. I got you sooo many times...
>
> do I fault you? nooooo I don't.
>
> but.. if all this love is real between us or if it was real, then the
> actions were not adding up.
>
> I think our hearts grew weary of longing, of wanting and needing to touch.
> Then there's the part where you get so angry you lose control and do dirty
> things to me.. even before I had a chance to reply.
>
> For example. I pull myself up by the bootstraps.. go out and kill a nice
> contract... for money...
> and.. since I'm gone all day... you thought I was being childish...
> so... I get home.. and start to read your mails..
>
> I want to put this in a way that is not telling.. but you remember how
> quickly things would detioriate in my absence.
> it could happen inside of hours. lol
>
> you know it's true!
>
> For all the mean childish things I've said, I apologize. I didn't think
> about it, it was just a reflex..most of it was childish.
>
> I always felt that if I could see you, then you would see.. that I am not
> out for me. I mean.. my actions and gentleness could speak for me.
>
> I don't want your rotten ass now! You done went to far!
>
> well.. I can forgive for sure! I already have.
> for what? you probably don't even know.
>
> See.. what messed me up was certain.. supernatural things that happened
> between us.
>
> like.. the evening I wrote you a fun letter and accused you of being off on
> ebay buying a purple monkey and a green elephant...
> and you damn sure was! how the hell! so I just figured we was supposed to do
> something good together.. but maybe not romantic love...
>
> It was bigger than me.. the whole thing...
>
> then there was the time when our security codes on the back of our CC's THEY
> MATCHED!
>
> we had the same security code, yet our cards were issued in different years
> and by different logos.
>
> what up? was all that a trick? have you tricked me?
>
> I believed you in everything till you told me you lied...
>
> I always prided myself in believing that there was good people left in the
> world. Good honest people, just good poeple.
> You proved to me that my hopes! were not in vain! Not because of some gift I
> said.,. noooo.. please pay your bills or don't do this or that
> cat food was small, we know that. I was always overwhelmed at your
> generosity.. yet.. I was willing to be here for you... behind it.
> not because of it.. but.. I saw your gifts as YOUR way of saying thank you
> for something, I wasn't always sure.
>
> I actually felt deserving of any gifts.. sometimes because of a hurt (im
> just being honest).. or sometimes I accepted something on credit.
> meaning.. I am good for it, as I knew I was interested enough in you, to
> accept it.. acceptance in and of itself was a message built into the
> recieving.
>
> but we went down hill baby, me and you both took a hit on the business
> side... somebody had to pen and reply to 1000,'s and 1,000's and 1,000's of
> emails.
>
> I felt I knew you up to a certain point, and I was convinced that you had
> stopped moving towards me, and you had hoped I could be content with the
> love you gave... it wasn't the love.. I grew to despise your complacency, as
> it pertained to us.
>
> I hated that we had platued.. yet. you grew accusing and angry that I too
> had stopped. but I only stopped because you had.
> I had to be true to my own heart. It wasn't fair of you to expect me to open
> more.. if you won't.
>
> yeah! you had confirmed my belief that there were good people in the world
> that were like... God's pawns! your love spoke more to me than anything.
> your proprietary gifts were tokens of an aching heart.. cause that's how I
> took it. I never coveted anything from you...
>
> I have and had all I needed when we met.. I saw your existence as being a
> bit hectic and well earned! I didn't want money. or things.
>
> We have behaved like children, and like children we should say ****it all
> and let the past be the past... I have done you no harm.
>
> Regardless of how things are... in spite of your humanity or weakness... I
> still believe there are good people in the world.
> why? because I am good. I can be a total ass... but when I do wrong.. wheter
> someone taught me or not.. I can feel when I've
> done something wrong, and then.. I can't wait to apologize.
>
> I love when someone comes back to me and says sorry, I do the same thing.
> I can't tell the times I've gone plenty out of my way and time to undo
> something, or at least try..
> yet at the time of the offense.. I felt zero guilt... but if I get down the
> road.. and something is on my heart..
> I have to go back and try apologize... 99/100 times.. I am lucky and get
> forgiven, maybe because of sincerity?
> maybe because of extending choice? I don't know.. but I am lucky.
>
> and.. given the misunderstandings, I can't say I fully understand your anger
> or any right to feel hurt...
> but... if you say so.. then.. that's what it is to you... maybe I could
> explain, maybe I can't.. I don't know.
>
> See.. you have been true in many ways.. remember the little part about.. you
> wanting me to open more.. yet I feel you have stopped...
> I at least feel you have been fair with your expectations about wheter or
> not I would leave you standing or... put my arms around you.
>
> It's not about ego, or anything. You know.. what it's about is.. you are a
> good woman, and you are doing the right thing
>
> if me being a muther****er helps you leave me alone.. then... ill just
> quit...
>
> I can walk away.. I may not wan to.. but who can argue with what is right.
>
> I cared about you Nancy, we worked through many misunderstandings...
> seems to me.. this time.. you are just avoiding an ass whipping.. at all
> costs
>
> seems to me you don't wanna own up to things...
> seems to me you love me

ROTFLMAO!!!

What a little BITCH you are! Jesus Christ, you'd almost *have* to
engage in fallacious Internet trysts, wouldn't you? Nearly every woman
I know would blast your damaged psyche into confetti in about a week!
This ng is a RIOT! All your little online fantasy worlds are friggin'
HILARIOUS!!

thug gangsta bookie fan
April 19th 07, 08:37 AM
On Apr 19, 3:28 am, cats are YUMMY > wrote:

> Nearly every woman
> I know would blast your damaged psyche into confetti in about a week!

can it ABBOT (able bodied adult) before I cut your disability off.
I knew your dad...is only reason you get sympathy from me.

CatNipped
April 19th 07, 01:44 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>> Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't stand
>> knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;>
>>
>
> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this?
> You'll never see the really good ones changing emails, because they
> know that a great percentage of people are too curious to really
> killfile them.

Yep. It's just a good thing that I learned early in life to laugh at myself
and most everything else. Trolls don't upset me - at worst they bore me!!!
;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

cybercat
April 19th 07, 06:26 PM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
>
> "body sweat" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On Apr 18, 5:40 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>
>>> Barry is an ass.
>>
>> Lick. no SUCK ok.. I stop.
>>
>>> He's been reading this group for years, has seen
>>> discussions of why cats need taurine so that they will not go blind,
>>> etc. He just wants a reaction so that then he can give you a reaction
>>> and so on. It's supposed to be sexy.
>>
>> my butt cheeks are sexy.. you're abushove
>>
>
> I think I am going to be sick. That was one mental oicture I could have
> lived without
>

Then his work here is done.

cybercat
April 19th 07, 06:41 PM
"thug gangsta bookie fan" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Apr 18, 5:48 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention.
>
> any expense to validate your ranting
>
> everybody sees through you
>
> Lori did a beautiful job avoiding your pit. And that's not speaking
> for her! That's just my opinion.
>
> Lori should engage herself in some sort of arbitration services,
> something where she has to put her spin on it. She does not over
> simplify a matter, that's good because it could possibly make a
> listener feel... dumb.
>
> she has a very eloquent yet street straight way of putting things that
> does not offend. She does it with grace, I'm sure it's just her way,
> but it is very close to art to me.
>
> I am extremely interested in how people understand me or not.
> I go to lengths.. if I feel I am being misunderstood, I am fast to add
> something to clear it up... I don't care who it is or what it is
> about..
>
> teeny misunderstandings can cost a person a tremendous amount, I don't
> under-estimate the power of being understood.
>
> I personally didn't see her as being slightly defensive.. not at all.
>
> Just shooting straight I guess.
>
> Did you want her to flame me some? is that it?
> couldn't quite get her to hate me eh? She's not like that.
> Well she agreed that she felt I knew about taurine... but she also saw
> an opportunity to educate new cat slaves. and.. on the whim that I
> actually did not know about taurine, she showed her common sense by
> extending the benefit of the doubt...
>
> it's not like I said.. let's feed a cat bacon at every meal, or
> something obviously bad for them, and what I have read... you and most
> here are waaay off target if you really wanna spoil your cat. If you
> really wanna spoil them, make their own food! I would If i knew how or
> had time and money etc...
>
> So.. you're caught in gile. She's not interested in ganging up on
> anybody.
> Maybe you're typical barry bashing bull**** is why she was skirting
> your tail.
> YOU on the other hand seemed a little disappointed in her response.
> I bet she hasn't thought any more about today, and I bet she don't
> read this if ever! till a week from now.
>
> I feel sorry for you.
>
> You sitting there with no nose, whining outcha mouth about it
> you got two holes on the front of your skull where your nose used to
> be.
>
> You did a dirty ****y thing to me, You goddamn ****ing know it
>
> **** you
> and your nasty ****ing attitude
>
> Lori is above it
>
> but! Lori also knows you are a bit touched.. and for wiw, she will
> preserve the side of you that can be very congenial and helpful and
> funny etc.
>
>

Wow. I don't think I ever before understood how much you overestimate
your importance in my life.

Very sobering stuff, and very sad for you.

You just get on my nerves, Barry. And you're an asshole, an abusive
asshole who would be a manipulator if you had the skills to do it.
Period. I don't want anyone to hate you. I don't think anyone thinks
you are important enough to hate. Now stop talking to me, you make
me sick. Whatever "dirty thing" you think I did to you, that's just Mama
talking. Turn the tables, put the person you were brutal to on the
defensive.
You can't stop, but I sure can stop listening. You were wrong, about
EVERYTHING. I was looking for friendship from you. I never wanted
your dick. And all I asked was that you be fair and straightforward, but
you couldn't. Or wouldn't. The gifts and money I gave you, the help in so
many ways--were just things I do for my friends. But you were so sure I
wanted that dick, you come from such a garbage background where
"nobody rides for free" that you figured you could get more and more
out of me and also get your rocks off being verbally abusive. You were
wrong. As far as doing you dirty--all I really could do was stop sending
cat food and money and ... etc. (If you want to keep this up, I will be
telling your business, how you really live, right here. I warned you to keep
it out of freak net, and I am warning you again.). That is all I could have
done, Barry. Now **** off. We are not friends. You are a sick boy in
a man's sick body. Keep screwing with me and you will find out, since
you have not yet figured it out, that I can indeed do much more than just
withdraw my help. You did this, now live with it. Unlike you, I do not
overestimate my importance to you. Go dangle that dick somewhere
where you can get something out of it. While you still have some hair
left.

cybercat
April 19th 07, 06:44 PM
"ode de sweat" > wrote in message
...
> On Apr 18, 5:48 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> He seems stupid
>
> Well I'm hating what I said already.
>
> I just hate it.
>
> I have to clear the record about you
>
> You are, extremely giving and kind and loving and witty and funny and
> helpful and nurturing.
>
> I know for a fact that you have totally misunderstood me on enough
> occasions
> to cause some breakdown between us... you made a federal case when I know
> in
> my heart what I meant, yet.. I could never explain myself in a way that
> was
> understandable. I blame me? ok.. fine.. but... there's nothing wrong with
> a
> tad of faith, and taking me at face value either.
>
> All told, the resounding words that fall on my mind like leafs is
> children.
> We have behaved like children. I admit. She hit me first. He hit me first.
>
> I do love you, I care about you...
>
> brb.. wants to post this now
>
Blow it out your hairy ass. I'm off this merrygoround. You learned ABUSE at
the hands of your sick mother, and until you accept it and get help you will
do this to everyone who is kind to you. Until fewer and fewer people are
kind to you. Until you find yourself with NOBODY to turn to. You're just
about there now.
STOP talking to me, Barry. I have told you the same thing for three years,
and you continue to refuse to face it, and I am finished. I cannot undo what
your mother did. And I did try. Unconditional love, man. There was not a
thing I wanted in return but respect. And you bet I warrant respect. Now let
it go before I decide to smash you like a bug.

cybercat
April 19th 07, 06:46 PM
"ode de sweat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>> He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in
>> the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention.
>
> I don't have a problem with you at all...

Shut the hell up. I have nineteen ****ing email boxes that work, do you
really have to put the whole group through this bull****?

Jesus, what an attention whore.

Email me. And I will refuse to answer you. Then go **** off.

cybercat
April 19th 07, 07:00 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote
>
> Yep. It's just a good thing that I learned early in life to laugh at
> myself and most everything else. Trolls don't upset me - at worst they
> bore me!!!

At best they make you laugh!

CatNipped
April 19th 07, 08:10 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote
>>
>> Yep. It's just a good thing that I learned early in life to laugh at
>> myself and most everything else. Trolls don't upset me - at worst they
>> bore me!!!
>
> At best they make you laugh!

YUP! However, most of the trolls who haunt "easy targets" like pet
newsgroups are rank amateurs. To see some really good trolling you need to
go to alt.slack or its equivalent.

Hugs,

CatNipped

thug gangsta bookie fan
April 19th 07, 08:36 PM
On Apr 19, 1:46 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "ode de sweat" > wrote in ...
>
>
>
> > "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> He seems stupid, and indeed he is not, in the end, the sharpest knife in
> >> the drawer. But honestly, Lori, he knows this. Anything for attention.
>
> > I don't have a problem with you at all...
>
> Shut the hell up. I have nineteen ****ing email boxes that work, do you
> really have to put the whole group through this bull****?
>
> Jesus, what an attention whore.
>
> Email me. And I will refuse to answer you. Then go **** off.

Iiii think it's time for me to get out and get a job.

honeymoon is over

cats are YUMMY
April 19th 07, 08:37 PM
On Apr 19, 1:41 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> Wow. I don't think I ever before understood how much you overestimate
> your importance in my life.
>
> Very sobering stuff, and very sad for you.
>
> You just get on my nerves, Barry. And you're an asshole, an abusive
> asshole who would be a manipulator if you had the skills to do it.
> Period. I don't want anyone to hate you. I don't think anyone thinks
> you are important enough to hate. Now stop talking to me, you make
> me sick. Whatever "dirty thing" you think I did to you, that's just Mama
> talking. Turn the tables, put the person you were brutal to on the
> defensive.
> You can't stop, but I sure can stop listening. You were wrong, about
> EVERYTHING. I was looking for friendship from you. I never wanted
> your dick. And all I asked was that you be fair and straightforward, but
> you couldn't. Or wouldn't. The gifts and money I gave you, the help in so
> many ways--were just things I do for my friends. But you were so sure I
> wanted that dick, you come from such a garbage background where
> "nobody rides for free" that you figured you could get more and more
> out of me and also get your rocks off being verbally abusive. You were
> wrong. As far as doing you dirty--all I really could do was stop sending
> cat food and money and ... etc. (If you want to keep this up, I will be
> telling your business, how you really live, right here. I warned you to keep
> it out of freak net, and I am warning you again.). That is all I could have
> done, Barry. Now **** off. We are not friends. You are a sick boy in
> a man's sick body. Keep screwing with me and you will find out, since
> you have not yet figured it out, that I can indeed do much more than just
> withdraw my help. You did this, now live with it. Unlike you, I do not
> overestimate my importance to you. Go dangle that dick somewhere
> where you can get something out of it. While you still have some hair
> left.

D'OH!!!

Stay down, man. Take the count. Wait for the paramedics.

cybercat
April 19th 07, 08:59 PM
"thug gangsta bookie fan" > wrote
>> Email me. And I will refuse to answer you. Then go **** off.
>
> Iiii think it's time for me to get out and get a job.
>
> honeymoon is over
>

Then let the friendship begin. .

We need to stop fighting in public.

Charlie Wilkes
April 19th 07, 10:04 PM
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:51:48 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "CatNipped" > wrote
>> Yeah but I'm such an obsessive-compulsive little thing that I can't
>> stand knowing something is being written "behind my back"!!! ;>
>>
>>
> This is funny! And did you know that most good trolls know this? You'll
> never see the really good ones changing emails, because they know that a
> great percentage of people are too curious to really killfile them.

That's a good observation. Killfiles are a reflection of emotional
weakness... when people say "PLONK," what they are really saying is "I
don't have enough self-control to avoid reading and responding to your
posts, so I'm gonna delegate that task to my computer." That's why
trolls regard the "public plonking" as a mark of success. Even if the
plonker is sincere, and actually sets their filters, there's always the
follow up...

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes
April 19th 07, 10:08 PM
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:37:14 -0700, body sweat wrote:
>
> Now the NNTP would be of greater interest to you, so you might consider
> updating your software (if they are even going to work on it one day)...
> as... you get far superior header information, this will help you with
> your quirky practice of sticking your nose up the ass of peoples post.
> laugh out loud.
>
> Gravity is ok for 4th graders.

??? Gravity is an nntp news client. What kind of header information is
missing?

Charlie

thug gangsta bookie fan
April 20th 07, 02:40 PM
On Apr 19, 5:04 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
public plonking" as a mark of success. Even if the
> plonker is sincere, and actually sets their filters, there's always the
> follow up...
>
> Charlie

Nobody knows the plonkings I've seen

April 20th 07, 02:50 PM
On 20 Apr, 14:40, thug gangsta bookie fan > wrote:
> On Apr 19, 5:04 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
> public plonking" as a mark of success. Even if the
>
> > plonker is sincere, and actually sets their filters, there's always the
> > follow up...
>
> > Charlie
>
> Nobody knows the plonkings I've seen

Forgive a newbie, but what is a Troll a killfile and a plonk?
K.

April 20th 07, 02:57 PM
On 18 Apr, 13:07, Barry > wrote:
> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> cornmeal.
>
> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> they just let them lay there.
> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.

I feed our cats on fresh meat that we make up ourselves. I don't feed
them vegetables because of the taurine factor, but I do allow them
grass to nibble at because it does wonders for hairballs.
K.

cybercat
April 20th 07, 05:59 PM
> wrote in message
ups.com...
> On 18 Apr, 13:07, Barry > wrote:
>> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>>
>> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>>
>> cornmeal.
>>
>> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
>> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>>
>> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
>> they just let them lay there.
>> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> I feed our cats on fresh meat that we make up ourselves. I don't feed
> them vegetables because of the taurine factor, but I do allow them
> grass to nibble at because it does wonders for hairballs.
> K.
>

How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go blind
without it.

April 20th 07, 08:09 PM
On 20 Apr, 17:59, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 18 Apr, 13:07, Barry > wrote:
> >> If we can eat it and live on it, cats can eat it and live on it.
>
> >> Meghan feeds her cats veggies.. WE ALL DO
>
> >> cornmeal.
>
> >> I think the real picture here is... cats won't eat squash because they
> >> prefer the turkey giblets in gravy...
>
> >> I am starting to feed my cats table scrap veggies... I have to admit,
> >> they just let them lay there.
> >> Jupiter will pick up a few pieces and toss them up... but.. no go.
>
> > I feed our cats on fresh meat that we make up ourselves. I don't feed
> > them vegetables because of the taurine factor, but I do allow them
> > grass to nibble at because it does wonders for hairballs.
> > K.
>
> How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go blind
> without it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I have only recently started to feed our crew home made meals. I took
Binky to the vet recently just before moving here to have his annual
MOT with the rest of the cats just before we moved. Whilst there, we
were told that it was possible that Binky was in the early stages of
dilated cardiomyopathy, & that he recommended that after a echo we
might consider changing his diet to a fresh one & add taurine to it to
ensure that he was getting the amount that he required, because he
clearly wasn't getting the amounts that he needed because he had a
deficiency & his poor appetite was no doubt contributing to his
condition. Our vet did tell us that it would also help to insure that
Binky doesn't develop FCDR too.

After we had an echo done to confirm the diagnosis, I was a little
skeptical about trying this method, but thought that anything was
worth a try. I started by getting a recipe off the Internet which
consisted mainly of chicken, with giblets and all internal organs, and
rice & carrots & beans too. However it didn't take long to discover
that it was the beans that were making Binky ill, so we cut them out
altogether and supplemented with rice instead, as well as vitamins A
&E (d alpha only). In addition to this Binky is also on Atenolol for
the cardiomyopathy. If anyone has any thoughts on the vegetable
debate, I would be interested to hear them? Thanks in advance.

So far we are doing quite well & he has a marked improvement in
energy & health generally. I say this because we took him back quite
recently to see if the results of the second echo were about the same
so there has been no degeneration since the initial ones. Add that to
the marked improvement in his energy levels, I believe that it must be
doing him some good.

I got my first bottle of taurine tablets from my vet, but after that
we had to start looking for a supplier that could send them to us on a
regular basis. They are not particularly cheap, but I can get a bottle
of 100 250mg tablets, & I have order them over the Internet because
they are not an easy thing to find in the UK. I give each of the cats
half a tablet each which they are happy to eat & I am not forced into
either crumbling them or having to shove them down each cat's throat.
This way I know that each cat is getting their daily dose for certain.

A bottle of tablets costs us around 8, which is quite expensive, but
I feel it is well worth it for the benefits we see in Binky's health
soft deep pile silky soft coat. In fact all of the cats coats have
improved since introducing the fresh diet. My only worry is that by
not feeding the veg that we should do, that I might be creating a
problem further down the line. I have asked advise about this issue,
but everyone I have discussed it with seems to feel that I shouldn't
rock the boat when there is no need to.

I also supplement the pregnant queens that are brought to us. In their
case, I feed them a whole tablet a day because generally when they are
brought in, they are in a poor state of health, & our vet assures us
that it is essential that they get supplements of taurine to help the
growing foetuses. It has worked so far with remarkable results with
most queens in fairly good health by the time that they have their
litters & it does seem to help the lactating queen too. Of course ,it
also depends on which stage of pregnancy the queen is when they are
brought to us. On the whole we do have quite a high success rate with
kitten mortality which is pleasing from our point of view & makes it
all worthwhile.

I feed the queens on whiskers kitten food for the added calories & I
leave Iams kitten kibbles out all day for grazing during the day &
night. In general the queens seem to prefer wet canned meat, so we
stick to that unless there is a reason to feed them fresh diets
instead.

I have 2 weeks to go until this present queen is due her kittens in
our vets educated guess, so we are currently setting up a nursery for
her away from the other cats in the indoor pen with access to the
courtyard. Having kittens is nice, but finding the right homes for
them is extremely time consuming, but well worth the effort when you
do find the right ones. I had another queen brought to us last night,
but I have managed to place her with another volunteer. Spring and
summer are always the busiest months of the year.
K.

Charlie Wilkes
April 20th 07, 09:25 PM
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:59:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go
> blind without it.

I read up on taurine yesterday. It is common in all kinds of meat, but
mostly destroyed by cooking. Here is a web page that discusses taurine
and cats and provides a table showing the taurine content of various
meats:

http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm

What puzzles me is the recommendation that dry foods contain 1200mg/kg of
taurine and wet foods 2500mg/kg. Why does dry food only need to contain
half as much as wet food?

Also, these amounts of taurine are quite a bit higher than what is
naturally found in meat, even uncooked meat, according to the table on
the same page.

Taurine supplements are available from vitamin outlets in a wide variety
of formulations.

It would be helpful if someone could ping up a vet to shed more light on
the subject of taurine... obviously there are factors in how it is
metabolized that go beyond the dosage level, and these should be
understood by anyone who attempts to produce home-made cat food with a
taurine supplement.

Charlie

cybercat
April 21st 07, 12:23 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:59:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
>> How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go
>> blind without it.
>
> I read up on taurine yesterday. It is common in all kinds of meat, but
> mostly destroyed by cooking. Here is a web page that discusses taurine
> and cats and provides a table showing the taurine content of various
> meats:
>
> http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm
>

Charlie, this is really helpful, thank you. I don't know how I missed the
fact
that taurine is in most meats when raw. I feel sure Lauren and others have
talked about this.

April 21st 07, 12:28 AM
On 20 Apr, 21:25, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:59:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:
> > How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go
> > blind without it.
>
> I read up on taurine yesterday. It is common in all kinds of meat, but
> mostly destroyed by cooking. Here is a web page that discusses taurine
> and cats and provides a table showing the taurine content of various
> meats:
>
> http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm
>
> What puzzles me is the recommendation that dry foods contain 1200mg/kg of
> taurine and wet foods 2500mg/kg. Why does dry food only need to contain
> half as much as wet food?
>
> Also, these amounts of taurine are quite a bit higher than what is
> naturally found in meat, even uncooked meat, according to the table on
> the same page.
>
> Taurine supplements are available from vitamin outlets in a wide variety
> of formulations.
>
> It would be helpful if someone could ping up a vet to shed more light on
> the subject of taurine... obviously there are factors in how it is
> metabolized that go beyond the dosage level, and these should be
> understood by anyone who attempts to produce home-made cat food with a
> taurine supplement.
>
> Charlie

Gosh! Now you have me worride. Are you saying that in fact its
possible that be feeding them on home produced food even with the
supplements, that it is entirely possible that I might adversely
affecting Binky's cardiomyopathy? Because by cooking the chicken, even
though we are giving him taurine in tablet form it might be
compromised by the fact that I cook the chicken?

I was led to believe that by cooking the rice & the veg with it
originally, that I was preserving the good from the stock & bones &
that through eating the entire compound that he was getting the
benefit of everything. If I go by the information that you kindly
provided in the link, It makes alarming reading.

When I first broached this subject with my vet & a few other cat
friends, I was asked if I might like to encourage Binky to become a
working cat. When I asked why this would be good for him, It was
explained that through eating prey such as mice, rodents and other
suchlike prey that a cat would normally eat in the wild - they get a
very high taurine diet. The reasoning was that live prey has very high
levels of taurine in their brains. I laughed when I heard this. But if
what you explain is correct, they were not joking at all.

Sadly, hunting is It is out of the question. Binky is far too old
pampered & fat to do this anymore. He is 8 now, Charlie is 5 & Petal
is 3. I have no idea how old Rory is, but my vet aged him at about 4
going by his size & the state of his teeth.

When I cook the chicken I add the rice to the stock so that it absorbs
the stock & the natural nutrients from the bones too. Generally I give
the giblets to the cats in raw state, simply through habit;I have
always allowed them to eat them raw as a treat.
I don't know who I could contact at this time of night in England.
Mind you, I did skim this subject lightly in a different thread, where
I was informed that there is a vet group on Usenet. Can you tell me
how I might locate this group please?

I will bring this subject up with my vet in the morning & explain what
you have told us. I hope that he might be able to come up with some
answers that might shed more light on this. If I find out anymore
about this subject I will let you know about it- I would be most
grateful if anyone else would do the same too please?
Thankyou.

K.

buglady
April 21st 07, 12:32 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:59:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
> > How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go
> > blind without it.

.........it's in eyeballs and brains. Buy them a mouse (but not one that has
been eating dog food!) It is also in meat, they just don't list it. Heart
is especially rich in taurine. Heat ties it up and makes it unavailable.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

cybercat
April 21st 07, 12:32 AM
> wrote

>I have only recently started to feed our crew home made meals. I took
>Binky to the vet recently just before moving here to have his annual
>MOT with the rest of the cats just before we moved. Whilst there, we
>were told that it was possible that Binky was in the early stages of
>dilated cardiomyopathy, & that he recommended that after a echo we
>might consider changing his diet to a fresh one & add taurine to it to
>ensure that he was getting the amount that he required, because he
>clearly wasn't getting the amounts that he needed because he had a
>deficiency & his poor appetite was no doubt contributing to his
>condition. Our vet did tell us that it would also help to insure that
>Binky doesn't develop FCDR too.


You have a wonderful vet!

[...]
> So far we are doing quite well & he has a marked improvement in
>energy & health generally. I say this because we took him back quite
>recently to see if the results of the second echo were about the same
>so there has been no degeneration since the initial ones. Add that to
>the marked improvement in his energy levels, I believe that it must be
>doing him some good.

That is great. Did you find that he likes the raw food as much? Did
he like it at first, or did it take some time to get used to?

[...]

>I have 2 weeks to go until this present queen is due her kittens in
>our vets educated guess, so we are currently setting up a nursery for
>her away from the other cats in the indoor pen with access to the
>courtyard. Having kittens is nice, but finding the right homes for
>them is extremely time consuming, but well worth the effort when you
>do find the right ones. I had another queen brought to us last night,
>but I have managed to place her with another volunteer. Spring and
>summer are always the busiest months of the year.

Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both?

Lynne
April 21st 07, 12:52 AM
on Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:32:09 GMT, "buglady" >
wrote:

> ........it's in eyeballs and brains. Buy them a mouse (but not one
> that has been eating dog food!) It is also in meat, they just don't
> list it. Heart is especially rich in taurine. Heat ties it up and
> makes it unavailable.

I briefly toyed with the idea of raising mice to let the cats "hunt" and
eat. Then I remembered how stinky my daughter's hamster cage gets after
just a few days...

--
Lynne


"We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And sad enough to know
We must laugh again"

~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech

Charlie Wilkes
April 21st 07, 12:58 AM
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:28:17 -0700, kittycarer wrote:

> On 20 Apr, 21:25, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:59:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>> > How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go
>> > blind without it.
>>
>> I read up on taurine yesterday. It is common in all kinds of meat, but
>> mostly destroyed by cooking. Here is a web page that discusses taurine
>> and cats and provides a table showing the taurine content of various
>> meats:
>>
>> http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm
>>
>> What puzzles me is the recommendation that dry foods contain 1200mg/kg
>> of taurine and wet foods 2500mg/kg. Why does dry food only need to
>> contain half as much as wet food?
>>
>> Also, these amounts of taurine are quite a bit higher than what is
>> naturally found in meat, even uncooked meat, according to the table on
>> the same page.
>>
>> Taurine supplements are available from vitamin outlets in a wide
>> variety of formulations.
>>
>> It would be helpful if someone could ping up a vet to shed more light
>> on the subject of taurine... obviously there are factors in how it is
>> metabolized that go beyond the dosage level, and these should be
>> understood by anyone who attempts to produce home-made cat food with a
>> taurine supplement.
>>
>> Charlie
>
> Gosh! Now you have me worride. Are you saying that in fact its possible
> that be feeding them on home produced food even with the supplements,
> that it is entirely possible that I might adversely affecting Binky's
> cardiomyopathy? Because by cooking the chicken, even though we are
> giving him taurine in tablet form it might be compromised by the fact
> that I cook the chicken?

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm looking at this one particular web
page and pointing out that it raises certain questions, which probably
can only be answered by someone with training in organic chemistry.

>
.. Mind you, I did skim this
> subject lightly in a different thread, where I was informed that there
> is a vet group on Usenet. Can you tell me how I might locate this group
> please?

I am cross-posting to alt.med veterinary in the hope that someone there
will be able to advise on home-made catfood and how to make sure it has
enough taurine.

Charlie

buglady
April 21st 07, 01:41 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
m...
> I briefly toyed with the idea of raising mice to let the cats "hunt" and
> eat. Then I remembered how stinky my daughter's hamster cage gets after
> just a few days...

........I bought some baby chicks once. I kept them in the bathtub. When I
wanted to take a shower I'd scoop them up and put them in a cat carrier.
Cheep..cheep ......cheep. They were only supposed to be there a few days.
I took them outside once to run around in the grass and when one of my cats
started hunting I couldn't stand it. One of my dogs really liked them. I'd
let her in the bathroom and she'd hang her head over the tub and watch.
Gosh they're cute. Cheep cheep cheep.... Every once in a while she still
looks in the tub. .I ended up dispatching them all myself and putting them
in the freezer. Never again. They've got lizards to eat if they want
moving meat. Besides at this point I couldn't stand one more thing to take
care of - not even a sourdough starter.

But if anyone really wants some frozen mice, forget Rodent Pro and go for
strictly grain fed mice (no rat chow or dog food) at www.miceonice.com
He's got rats too. Don't get the pinkies - not enough calcium in their
bones. Go for the fuzzies. I had a brief day dream about getting the dogs
on rats....toss some mice out to the cats......fling a rat in the dog's
bowls. Guy who owns the company is a nut! He moved to FL a few yrs ago and
toyed briefly with getting a big limo and putting giant mouse ears on it
with his miceonice logo and a sign that said You're Next MIckey! and driving
around Orlando! My cats wouldn't eat RodentPRo mice, but they liked the
Miceonice.

I wonder if anyone's lost mice or snakes with this thing?

buglady
take out the dog before replying

buglady
April 21st 07, 01:46 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm looking at this one particular web
> page and pointing out that it raises certain questions, which probably
> can only be answered by someone with training in organic chemistry.

What web page? Christine's? You don't need training in organic chemistry
to feed cats. Christine's webpage is good, but sometimes she gets peculiar
ideas. Keep reading. Richard Pitcairn has Optional next to taurine in his
cat recipes. I've prepared food for my animals for a number of years - 8-10
don't remember now. One cat lived to 20.5 yrs. If she wa that deficient in
anything she wouldn't have made it that far.
>
> I am cross-posting to alt.med veterinary in the hope that someone there
> will be able to advise on home-made catfood and how to make sure it has
> enough taurine.

.......Look, the big deal they make out of taurine is because in the 70s cats
went blind and got heart failure - because they cooked the food. Kibble's
cooked at an extremely high temperature also so they have to supplement.

buglady
'take out the dog before replying

Lynne
April 21st 07, 01:52 AM
on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:41:19 GMT, "buglady" >
wrote:

> But if anyone really wants some frozen mice, forget Rodent Pro and go
> for strictly grain fed mice (no rat chow or dog food) at
> www.miceonice.com He's got rats too. Don't get the pinkies - not
> enough calcium in their bones. Go for the fuzzies. I had a brief day
> dream about getting the dogs on rats....toss some mice out to the
> cats......fling a rat in the dog's bowls. Guy who owns the company is
> a nut! He moved to FL a few yrs ago and toyed briefly with getting a
> big limo and putting giant mouse ears on it with his miceonice logo
> and a sign that said You're Next MIckey! and driving around Orlando!
> My cats wouldn't eat RodentPRo mice, but they liked the Miceonice.
>
> I wonder if anyone's lost mice or snakes with this thing?

OH ****! My snake gets fuzzies from Rodent Pro. I haven't ordered mice
in many months, and now I know who not to get them from.

I'm so glad you posted this.

I never thought of thawing them out for the the other beasts. Hmmmmm...

--
Lynne


"We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And sad enough to know
We must laugh again"

~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech

April 21st 07, 01:58 AM
On 21 Apr, 00:32, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > wrote

>I have only recently started to feed our crew home made meals. I
took
>Binky to the vet recently just before moving here to have his annual
>MOT with the rest of the cats just before we moved. Whilst there, we
>were told that it was possible that Binky was in the early stages of
>dilated cardiomyopathy, & that he recommended that after a echo we
>might consider changing his diet to a fresh one & add taurine to it
to
>ensure that he was getting the amount that he required, because he
>clearly wasn't getting the amounts that he needed because he had a
>deficiency & his poor appetite was no doubt contributing to his
>condition. Our vet did tell us that it would also help to insure
that
>Binky doesn't develop FCDR too.
>
> You have a wonderful vet!
>
[...] I am ever so sorry if this post turns out randomly. I am trying
to answer it in the same manner that you ask the questions, and I have
noticed other people seem to post- otherwise I forget what you ask &
ramble on about something irrelevant instead. Please bare with me?

We do. In fact I make a 40 mile round trip to go to him rather than
change to the nearest one just 6 miles away. He has looked after us
really well over the years, with our cats and the visitors as well. He
always finds time to talk you through anything that you are concerned
about & will even ring you if he is busy when you call. Best of all,
he comes out to visit us for the sheer hell of it if he happens to be
in the area & he also gives us discount for the volume of work we take
to him. The only downside is that he is one of two partners in his
practise, so if we have any specialised problems, he has to refer us
to another vet friend or specialist.
nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best.

>
> So far we are doing quite well & he has a marked improvement in
>energy & health generally. I say this because we took him back quite
>recently to see if the results of the second echo were about the
same
>so there has been no degeneration since the initial ones. Add that
to
>the marked improvement in his energy levels, I believe that it must
be
>doing him some good.
> That is great. Did you find that he likes the raw food as much? Did
> he like it at first, or did it take some time to get used to?
>
> [...]
Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets
and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am
loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food
though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than
good.

On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post
now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his
younger days, we were lucky if we could get him to eat anything we
bought him in both tins or packets either in the way of pet foods. He
used to drag both pheasants and rabbits home & would drag them all the
way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content.
But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now.

I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new
diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the
others now regarding what we feed them. I am worride that my well
meant intentions are doing poor Charlie, Petal, Rory, no good at all.
Mind you, none of them are finicky eaters & petal still does hunt. She
doesn't like it if anyone goes near her hard earned kill though. Binky
has tried several times to his regret. As far as I am concerned the
only downside to them all eating raw or kills as the horrendous farts
that we have to endure!!
I think you might call it Gas? LOL!

>I have 2 weeks to go until this present queen is due her kittens in
>our vets educated guess, so we are currently setting up a nursery
for
>her away from the other cats in the indoor pen with access to the
>courtyard. Having kittens is nice, but finding the right homes for
>them is extremely time consuming, but well worth the effort when you
>do find the right ones. I had another queen brought to us last
night,
>but I have managed to place her with another volunteer. Spring and
>summer are always the busiest months of the year.

> Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both?

We help out with the Cat Protection League. I am my area coordinator
for them, & we do also take in local strays. I have been asked if I
would consider taking on more work for the CPL, but I don't feel able
to currently. If I did, I would end up with no time to renovate this
old cottage which was the whole reason of moving here. Perhaps when we
finish this cottage I might consider doing a bit more for them or the
local community. It has always been my dream to open a cattery, but
that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of
those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though.

For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look
of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got
caught good and proper!
It is such a shame that people don't think about the consequence of
not spaying them. It doesn't cost that much to do and this family have
given up their faithful cat all because the dog might eat the kittens.
You should hear some of the excuses that we get. They range from
ridiculous to outrageous! I shall wait and see what we have, then I
suppose I had better consider new homes for them, and take her down to
Roger as soon as it is reasonably possible to do so.

Once she recovers, then we must think about homing her too. She is a
sweet young thing- A ginger and white female. I doubt we will have any
trouble homing this because she has impeccable manners, she is highly
clean and she is a little darling and loves laps and nuzzles.

I am going to have to ring Roger in the morning to ask him if I would
be better off rethinking the diet business. I think someone else
posted about what meat is best to use, so I am going to try and find
that post again to see if I might get some advice from them. Since
starting to read the posts here in the last month or so my brain feels
like a sponge. It is soaking up so much new information, that
sometimes it overfills and I begin to worry. There is so much to know
isn't there?
K.

buglady
April 21st 07, 02:08 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
m...
> OH ****! My snake gets fuzzies from Rodent Pro. I haven't ordered mice
> in many months, and now I know who not to get them from.
>
> I'm so glad you posted this.
>
> I never thought of thawing them out for the the other beasts. Hmmmmm...

Rodent Pro IS cheaper, but the cat who would come running at the sound of
the freezer bag opening just wasn't interested. The mice were meant as
maybe 2 meals a week at the most. Too expensive.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

Lynne
April 21st 07, 02:24 AM
on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:08:28 GMT, "buglady" >
wrote:

> Rodent Pro IS cheaper, but the cat who would come running at the sound
> of the freezer bag opening just wasn't interested. The mice were
> meant as maybe 2 meals a week at the most. Too expensive.

My snake breeder recommended Rodent Pro and I never looked anywhere
else. Until your post I never gave a second thought to what the mice
might be eating! I don't care about price difference when quality and
safety are at issue.

I like that Mice On Ice offers the option of 5 packs. Even though it's
about 10 cents more per mouse, it would save me from having to chuck
some when freezer burn sets in with the 25 packs. I only feed my snake
once a week so 25 mice should last a loooong time but I always end up
chucking a bunch. I'm going to see if the Rudy and Levi might like some
mice to eat. Roxy, too, for that matter. I'll be really surprised if
they eat them. We may just have a mess on our hands but I'm game to try
(in the bathroom, hehe).

--
Lynne


"We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And sad enough to know
We must laugh again"

~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech

April 21st 07, 02:25 AM
On 21 Apr, 00:58, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:28:17 -0700, kittycarer wrote:
> > On 20 Apr, 21:25, Charlie Wilkes >
> > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:59:37 -0400, cybercat wrote:
> >> > How do they get taurine? It is not in human-type meat. They will go
> >> > blind without it.
>
> >> I read up on taurine yesterday. It is common in all kinds of meat, but
> >> mostly destroyed by cooking. Here is a web page that discusses taurine
> >> and cats and provides a table showing the taurine content of various
> >> meats:
>
> >>http://www.serve.com/BatonRouge/taurine_chmr.htm
>
> >> What puzzles me is the recommendation that dry foods contain 1200mg/kg
> >> of taurine and wet foods 2500mg/kg. Why does dry food only need to
> >> contain half as much as wet food?
>
> >> Also, these amounts of taurine are quite a bit higher than what is
> >> naturally found in meat, even uncooked meat, according to the table on
> >> the same page.
>
> >> Taurine supplements are available from vitamin outlets in a wide
> >> variety of formulations.
>
> >> It would be helpful if someone could ping up a vet to shed more light
> >> on the subject of taurine... obviously there are factors in how it is
> >> metabolized that go beyond the dosage level, and these should be
> >> understood by anyone who attempts to produce home-made cat food with a
> >> taurine supplement.
>
> >> Charlie
>
> > Gosh! Now you have me worride. Are you saying that in fact its possible
> > that be feeding them on home produced food even with the supplements,
> > that it is entirely possible that I might adversely affecting Binky's
> > cardiomyopathy? Because by cooking the chicken, even though we are
> > giving him taurine in tablet form it might be compromised by the fact
> > that I cook the chicken?
>
> No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm looking at this one particular web
> page and pointing out that it raises certain questions, which probably
> can only be answered by someone with training in organic chemistry.
>
>
>
> . Mind you, I did skim this
>
> > subject lightly in a different thread, where I was informed that there
> > is a vet group on Usenet. Can you tell me how I might locate this group
> > please?
>
> I am cross-posting to alt.med veterinary in the hope that someone there
> will be able to advise on home-made cat food and how to make sure it has
> enough taurine.
>
> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you very much. I appreciate that a lot. It's a little late over
here & I think that my own grey matter is a little too tired to go
wondering around Usenet looking for vets right now.

I don't think it would be very difficult to get mine to eat raw meat
at all on reflection. They do like the very fresh variety if possible,
but OTOH, I am sure I wouldn't get too many complaints about next to
best fresh if they were faced with the proposition.
If you hear anything of interest I would be most grateful if you would
let me know?
Thanks in anticipation.
K

Barry
April 21st 07, 04:19 AM
On Apr 20, 8:41 pm, "buglady" > wrote:

> I wonder if anyone's lost mice or snakes with this thing?
>
> buglady
> take out the dog before replying

fo real!

that's all fine till you can't find them.

then something moving on your leg wakes you up.

sssssssssssss

cybercat
April 21st 07, 02:15 PM
> wrote
>>
>> You have a wonderful vet!
>>
> We do. In fact I make a 40 mile round trip to go to him rather than
> change to the nearest one just 6 miles away. He has looked after us
> really well over the years, with our cats and the visitors as well. He
> always finds time to talk you through anything that you are concerned
> about & will even ring you if he is busy when you call. Best of all,
> he comes out to visit us for the sheer hell of it if he happens to be
> in the area & he also gives us discount for the volume of work we take
> to him. The only downside is that he is one of two partners in his
> practise, so if we have any specialised problems, he has to refer us
> to another vet friend or specialist.
> nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best.
>

That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural
area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it
is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming
areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality
than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind
of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality.
I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different
specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be
"psychologists for humans" too.

>> [...]
> Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets
> and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am
> loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food
> though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than
> good.

But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem,
right?

>
> On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post
> now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his
> younger days, we were lucky if we could get him to eat anything we
> bought him in both tins or packets either in the way of pet foods. He
> used to drag both pheasants and rabbits home & would drag them all the
> way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content.
> But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now.
>

Pheasants!! Is he a big boy?

> I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new
> diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the
> others now regarding what we feed them. I am worride that my well
> meant intentions are doing poor Charlie, Petal, Rory, no good at all.
> Mind you, none of them are finicky eaters & petal still does hunt. She
> doesn't like it if anyone goes near her hard earned kill though. Binky
> has tried several times to his regret. As far as I am concerned the
> only downside to them all eating raw or kills as the horrendous farts
> that we have to endure!!
> I think you might call it Gas? LOL!

hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No,
not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats
will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind,
and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and
killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice,
as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing
is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post
about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know
you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious
thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can
of food.


>> Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both?
>
> We help out with the Cat Protection League. I am my area coordinator
> for them, & we do also take in local strays. I have been asked if I
> would consider taking on more work for the CPL, but I don't feel able
> to currently. If I did, I would end up with no time to renovate this
> old cottage which was the whole reason of moving here. Perhaps when we
> finish this cottage I might consider doing a bit more for them or the
> local community. It has always been my dream to open a cattery, but
> that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of
> those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though.
>

What you're doing now is wonderful. Have you posted any photos of
the cottage? I'd love to see it, and your cats.

> For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look
> of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got
> caught good and proper!

PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always
adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where
I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and
wind up with a house full.






--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

April 21st 07, 10:04 PM
On 21 Apr, 14:15, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
>
>
> >> You have a wonderful vet!
>
> > We do. In fact I make a 40 mile round trip to go to him rather than
> > change to the nearest one just 6 miles away. He has looked after us
> > really well over the years, with our cats and the visitors as well. He
> > always finds time to talk you through anything that you are concerned
> > about & will even ring you if he is busy when you call. Best of all,
> > he comes out to visit us for the sheer hell of it if he happens to be
> > in the area & he also gives us discount for the volume of work we take
> > to him. The only downside is that he is one of two partners in his
> > practise, so if we have any specialised problems, he has to refer us
> > to another vet friend or specialist.
> > nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best.
>
> That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural
> area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it
> is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming
> areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality
> than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind
> of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality.
> I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different
> specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be
> "psychologists for humans" too.
>
> >> [...]
> > Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets
> > and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am
> > loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food
> > though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than
> > good.
>
> But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem,
> right?
>
>
>
> > On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post
> > now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his
> > younger days, we were lucky if we could get him to eat anything we
> > bought him in both tins or packets either in the way of pet foods. He
> > used to drag both pheasants and rabbits home & would drag them all the
> > way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content.
> > But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now.
>
> Pheasants!! Is he a big boy?
>
> > I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new
> > diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the
> > others now regarding what we feed them. I am worride that my well
> > meant intentions are doing poor Charlie, Petal, Rory, no good at all.
> > Mind you, none of them are finicky eaters & petal still does hunt. She
> > doesn't like it if anyone goes near her hard earned kill though. Binky
> > has tried several times to his regret. As far as I am concerned the
> > only downside to them all eating raw or kills as the horrendous farts
> > that we have to endure!!
> > I think you might call it Gas? LOL!
>
> hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No,
> not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats
> will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind,
> and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and
> killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice,
> as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing
> is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post
> about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know
> you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious
> thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can
> of food.
>
> >> Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both?
>
> > We help out with the Cat Protection League. I am my area coordinator
> > for them, & we do also take in local strays. I have been asked if I
> > would consider taking on more work for the CPL, but I don't feel able
> > to currently. If I did, I would end up with no time to renovate this
> > old cottage which was the whole reason of moving here. Perhaps when we
> > finish this cottage I might consider doing a bit more for them or the
> > local community. It has always been my dream to open a cattery, but
> > that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of
> > those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though.
>
> What you're doing now is wonderful. Have you posted any photos of
> the cottage? I'd love to see it, and your cats.
>
> > For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look
> > of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got
> > caught good and proper!
>
> PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always
> adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where
> I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and
> wind up with a house full.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

>
> PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always
> adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where
> I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and
> wind up with a house full.

I will do, I promise.

We have just been so busy recently that I simply haven't had the time
to get round to doing it. Bookie suggested Piccasa I think it was.
I will have a search later & see what we can come up with.
I might as well do a few of the cat family, the house project & the
kittens too.

There, all done in one go!
K.

April 21st 07, 10:42 PM
On 21 Apr, 14:15, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > wrote
>
>
>
> >> You have a wonderful vet!
>
> > We do. In fact I make a 40 mile round trip to go to him rather than
> > change to the nearest one just 6 miles away. He has looked after us
> > really well over the years, with our cats and the visitors as well. He
> > always finds time to talk you through anything that you are concerned
> > about & will even ring you if he is busy when you call. Best of all,
> > he comes out to visit us for the sheer hell of it if he happens to be
> > in the area & he also gives us discount for the volume of work we take
> > to him. The only downside is that he is one of two partners in his
> > practise, so if we have any specialised problems, he has to refer us
> > to another vet friend or specialist.
> > nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best.
>
> That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural
> area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it
> is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming
> areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality
> than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind
> of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality.
> I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different
> specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be
> "psychologists for humans" too.
>
> >> [...]
> > Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets
> > and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am
> > loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food
> > though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than
> > good.
>
> But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem,
> right?
>
>
>
> > On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post
> > now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his
> > younger days, we were lucky if we could get him to eat anything we
> > bought him in both tins or packets either in the way of pet foods. He
> > used to drag both pheasants and rabbits home & would drag them all the
> > way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content.
> > But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now.
>
> Pheasants!! Is he a big boy?
>
> > I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new
> > diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the
> > others now regarding what we feed them. I am worride that my well
> > meant intentions are doing poor Charlie, Petal, Rory, no good at all.
> > Mind you, none of them are finicky eaters & petal still does hunt. She
> > doesn't like it if anyone goes near her hard earned kill though. Binky
> > has tried several times to his regret. As far as I am concerned the
> > only downside to them all eating raw or kills as the horrendous farts
> > that we have to endure!!
> > I think you might call it Gas? LOL!
>
> hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No,
> not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats
> will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind,
> and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and
> killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice,
> as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing
> is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post
> about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know
> you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious
> thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can
> of food.
>
> >> Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both?
>
> > We help out with the Cat Protection League. I am my area coordinator
> > for them, & we do also take in local strays. I have been asked if I
> > would consider taking on more work for the CPL, but I don't feel able
> > to currently. If I did, I would end up with no time to renovate this
> > old cottage which was the whole reason of moving here. Perhaps when we
> > finish this cottage I might consider doing a bit more for them or the
> > local community. It has always been my dream to open a cattery, but
> > that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of
> > those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though.
>
> What you're doing now is wonderful. Have you posted any photos of
> the cottage? I'd love to see it, and your cats.
>
> > For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look
> > of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got
> > caught good and proper!
>
> PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always
> adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where
> I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and
> wind up with a house full.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

> >> You have a wonderful vet!

We do. He is more of a friend than just our vet. He pops round if he
is in the area for any reason if only to sample the menu & the Cider,
LOL.

> That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural
> area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it
> is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming
> areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality
> than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind
> of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality.
> I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different
> specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be
> "psychologists for humans" too.

I think that I would have to agree with you here. Roger tells me that
the green eared Lilly bellied students that they send to time for
their years hands on work are complete nincompoops.. The back end of a
cow has no bearing or relation to a cats rectal examination at all. I
believe it takes him six months to deprogram them so that they can tel
the difference between them. He has a great deal of patience mind you.
If anyone can teach them the difference, then he can.

I'm not sure that I would fall into his cat/owner psychologist, but I
am more than certain that there are owners who do need the reassurance
that they should be seeking elsewhere. Ridiculous when you think about
it, but then again. I suppose that some owners are near hysterical
when they walk into his waiting room expecting to jump the Que because
poor Tiddles has constipation.

> hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No,
> not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats
> will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind,
> and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and
> killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice,
> as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing
> is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post
> about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know
> you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious
> thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can
> of food.

I'm afraid that when ours were a bit younger, if it moved, the they
used to eat anything that either ran or flew. In fact I had a game
keeper at the backdoor several years ago warning me that If Binky kept
hunting for pheasants with the regularity that he was , that we would
be required to buy shooting rights to then land because he was
depleting the stock at an alarming rate, whilst Petal was went nest
hunting. Very naughty really, so we had to tell him off for the
pheasants, & praise him for the hares and rabbits instead. I'm not
sure that he understood all that well, but we moved quite soon after
that. I am certain that both the gamekeeper & the land owner were
quite relieved to see us departing.

> Pheasants!! Is he a big boy?

Binky is a very Big Cat as you will see when I eventually manage to
get some photos on here for you.

> But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem,
> right?

Oh yes!

I spoke to Roger this morning & he told me not to worry. the
supplements that Binky is getting are perfectly adequate for his
needs. I feel much better about the fresh food idea again. He did
recommend that we try giving him a bit more raw to nibble on. It helps
his teeth too apparently.

I am off right now to see which photo posting service would be best
for us.
Catch up with you later.

K.

cybercat
April 22nd 07, 12:26 AM
> wrote
>
> I will do, I promise.
>
> We have just been so busy recently that I simply haven't had the time
> to get round to doing it. Bookie suggested Piccasa I think it was.
> I will have a search later & see what we can come up with.
> I might as well do a few of the cat family, the house project & the
> kittens too.
>

I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two
girlycats. :)

Lynne
April 22nd 07, 12:53 AM
on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:26:31 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:

> I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two
> girlycats. :)

It's not that hard. You don't even need to install Google's Picassa
software--you can just upload directly from the web site. So get on it!!

Please.

--
Lynne


"We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And sad enough to know
We must laugh again"

~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech

cybercat
April 22nd 07, 12:55 AM
"Lynne" > wrote in message
m...
> on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:26:31 GMT, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>> I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two
>> girlycats. :)
>
> It's not that hard. You don't even need to install Google's Picassa
> software--you can just upload directly from the web site. So get on it!!
>
> Please.
>
haha! I have a little Yahoo site, I have just been slack in getting the
pictures on . I will soon.

sheelagh
April 22nd 07, 01:45 AM
On 21 Apr, 22:42, wrote:
> On 21 Apr, 14:15, "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote
>
> > >> You have a wonderful vet!
>
> > > We do. In fact I make a 40 mile round trip to go to him rather than
> > > change to the nearest one just 6 miles away. He has looked after us
> > > really well over the years, with our cats and the visitors as well. He
> > > always finds time to talk you through anything that you are concerned
> > > about & will even ring you if he is busy when you call. Best of all,
> > > he comes out to visit us for the sheer hell of it if he happens to be
> > > in the area & he also gives us discount for the volume of work we take
> > > to him. The only downside is that he is one of two partners in his
> > > practise, so if we have any specialised problems, he has to refer us
> > > to another vet friend or specialist.
> > > nothing is perfect, but I consider him to be better than second best.
>
> > That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural
> > area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it
> > is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming
> > areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality
> > than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind
> > of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality.
> > I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different
> > specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be
> > "psychologists for humans" too.
>
> > >> [...]
> > > Only part of his diet is raw. He gets chicken raw including giblets
> > > and skins & some raw chicken.. Charlie has just pointed out that I am
> > > loosing most of the nutrients by cooking the vast majority of his food
> > > though. I am now stressing like mad that I am doing him more harm than
> > > good.
>
> > But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem,
> > right?
>
> > > On reflection, I am not so worride as I was when I first read his post
> > > now, because Binky would be happy to eat the whole lot raw. In his
> > > younger days, we were lucky if we could get him to eat anything we
> > > bought him in both tins or packets either in the way of pet foods. He
> > > used to drag both pheasants and rabbits home & would drag them all the
> > > way to his tree house (an old hollow tree!) and feast to his content.
> > > But he is older now and unable to hunt in the way he used to, now.
>
> > Pheasants!! Is he a big boy?
>
> > > I don't think it is going to be a problem to get him to eat his new
> > > diet raw at all. I will have to reconsider how we go forward for the
> > > others now regarding what we feed them. I am worride that my well
> > > meant intentions are doing poor Charlie, Petal, Rory, no good at all.
> > > Mind you, none of them are finicky eaters & petal still does hunt. She
> > > doesn't like it if anyone goes near her hard earned kill though. Binky
> > > has tried several times to his regret. As far as I am concerned the
> > > only downside to them all eating raw or kills as the horrendous farts
> > > that we have to endure!!
> > > I think you might call it Gas? LOL!
>
> > hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No,
> > not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats
> > will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind,
> > and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and
> > killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice,
> > as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing
> > is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post
> > about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know
> > you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious
> > thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can
> > of food.
>
> > >> Do you run a shelter, or foster, or both?
>
> > > We help out with the Cat Protection League. I am my area coordinator
> > > for them, & we do also take in local strays. I have been asked if I
> > > would consider taking on more work for the CPL, but I don't feel able
> > > to currently. If I did, I would end up with no time to renovate this
> > > old cottage which was the whole reason of moving here. Perhaps when we
> > > finish this cottage I might consider doing a bit more for them or the
> > > local community. It has always been my dream to open a cattery, but
> > > that is rather like pie in the sky right now. It is one of
> > > those,"maybe one day dreams". I would love to though.
>
> > What you're doing now is wonderful. Have you posted any photos of
> > the cottage? I'd love to see it, and your cats.
>
> > > For the here and now however, we have only the one queen. By the look
> > > of her it looks like we are due around 5-7 kittens. This girl got
> > > caught good and proper!
>
> > PICTURES! Pleeeease? for those of us who love kittens but always
> > adopt adults? I love kittens. One day I hope to get to the point where
> > I can foster moms and kittens. Right now I would get too attached and
> > wind up with a house full.
>
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
> > >> You have a wonderful vet!
>
> We do. He is more of a friend than just our vet. He pops round if he
> is in the area for any reason if only to sample the menu & the Cider,
> LOL.
>
> > That is quite an endorsement--the drive alone. Are you in a rural
> > area? I've heard some people in rural areas (US and UK) say it
> > is hard to find good "small animal" vets. Perhaps because in farming
> > areas there are more large animal vets with a totally different mentality
> > than that which is helpful when dealing with companion animals. Kind
> > of a "oh, your cat is broken? Well then, why not replace it?" mentality.
> > I had a friend in vet school who said they were two very different
> > specialties--that they taught them that small animal vets had to be
> > "psychologists for humans" too.
>
> I think that I would have to agree with you here. Roger tells me that
> the green eared Lilly bellied students that they send to time for
> their years hands on work are complete nincompoops.. The back end of a
> cow has no bearing or relation to a cats rectal examination at all. I
> believe it takes him six months to deprogram them so that they can tel
> the difference between them. He has a great deal of patience mind you.
> If anyone can teach them the difference, then he can.
>
> I'm not sure that I would fall into his cat/owner psychologist, but I
> am more than certain that there are owners who do need the reassurance
> that they should be seeking elsewhere. Ridiculous when you think about
> it, but then again. I suppose that some owners are near hysterical
> when they walk into his waiting room expecting to jump the Que because
> poor Tiddles has constipation.
>
> > hahahaha! This is hilarious. How different things are in the UK. No,
> > not farts, which is what we call them too ... :) I mean that my cats
> > will not eat most people food, including cooked meat of any kind,
> > and would not even go near raw meat. They even caught and
> > killed two mice in the house, and there was not a mark on the mice,
> > as if they would never have considered them food. The other thing
> > is, how safe you feel letting them roam. From the way you post
> > about cats and the obvious good care you give yours, I know
> > you must feel it is very safe. I would love that. As it is, it is hilarious
> > thinking about my cats taking down anything more lively than a can
> > of food.
>
> I'm afraid that when ours were a bit younger, if it moved, the they
> used to eat anything that either ran or flew. In fact I had a game
> keeper at the backdoor several years ago warning me that If Binky kept
> hunting for pheasants with the regularity that he was , that we would
> be required to buy shooting rights to then land because he was
> depleting the stock at an alarming rate, whilst Petal was went nest
> hunting. Very naughty really, so we had to tell him off for the
> pheasants, & praise him for the hares and rabbits instead. I'm not
> sure that he understood all that well, but we moved quite soon after
> that. I am certain that both the gamekeeper & the land owner were
> quite relieved to see us departing.
>
> > Pheasants!! Is he a big boy?
>
> Binky is a very Big Cat as you will see when I eventually manage to
> get some photos on here for you.
>
> > But you give him taurine supplements, so that should not be a problem,
> > right?
>
> Oh yes!
>
> I spoke to Roger this morning & he told me not to worry. the
> supplements that Binky is getting are perfectly adequate for his
> needs. I feel much better about the fresh food idea again. He did
> recommend that we try giving him a bit more raw to nibble on. It helps
> his teeth too apparently.
>
> I am off right now to see which photo posting service would be best
> for us.
> Catch up with you later.
>
> K.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Photos would be wonderful if possible please?
I can't wait to see him. I have a Birman boy too.

His name is Biffy & he is a blue point big bad boy. He is a softy
really, but he likes to pose and posture as though he rules the roost.
In reality, it's Lilly the seal point Birman & Belle the blue point
Ragdoll that lay the laws & keep the boys in line. we just allow him
to "think" he is the lord of the manor because it makes him feel
important & useful like most male puss cats....

We have other feline family too, including Ringo superstar, who Lynne
named for us. Now he is a big fat ginger playboy who loves to think he
is a super star, then we also have Lucy(fur!), & she is an all black
solid female who moved in with us @ Xmas. she is a quite little girl
who was near feral when we trapped her, in order to get a nasty collar
that was embedded into her neck. You couldn't tell that she is the
same cat as she was when we trapped now though... She is a lazy kid
loving bed sprawler. Last but by no means least there is Tazy the seal
point Raggy. He is the quiet boy who has a wonderful knack of allowing
you to believe that you invited him to sprawl all over you in bed
every night...

In my next life, I wish to become a cat if this how hard a cats life
is
S;o)

Lynne
April 22nd 07, 02:00 AM
on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:45:24 GMT, sheelagh >
wrote:

> In my next life, I wish to become a cat if this how hard a cats life
> is

If all cat owners were as wonderful as you, that would be a lovely idea.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of cats don't have it so good. :(

--
Lynne


"We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And sad enough to know
We must laugh again"

~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech

Charlie Wilkes
April 22nd 07, 02:10 AM
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:55:59 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Lynne" > wrote in message
> m...
>> on Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:26:31 GMT, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't wait. I will get my photo site up too, no kittens but my two
>>> girlycats. :)
>>
>> It's not that hard. You don't even need to install Google's Picassa
>> software--you can just upload directly from the web site. So get on
>> it!!
>>
>> Please.
>>
> haha! I have a little Yahoo site, I have just been slack in getting the
> pictures on . I will soon.

Another option, which few people seem to use, is simply to set up a
geocities (or other free web hosting service) page and post the pictures
sequentially in a simple html layout.

Here is a simple html page that you can cut and paste for this purpose:

<html>
<title>Pictures of my cat(s)</title>
<body bgcolor=blue text=white>
<H1>Pictures of my cat(s)</H1><hr>
<center>
<img src="picture1.jpg"><br>
<bold>caption 1</bold><br>
</center>
<hr><p>
<center>
<img src="picture2.jpg"><br>
<bold>caption 2</bold><br>
</center>
<hr><p>
<center>
<img src="picture3.jpg"><br>
<bold>caption 3</bold><br>
</center>
<hr><p>
<! -- CUT & PASTE HERE TO ADD MORE PIX -- >
<center>
<img src="picture4.jpg"><br>
<bold>caption 4</bold><br>
</center>
<hr><p>
<! -- CUT & PASTE HERE -- >
</body>
</html>

Paste into a text editor, change the title, heading, pictures and
captions as you see fit, save it as index.htm, and upload it to your new
site along with the pictures you have chosen.

I suggest this only because I find these dedicated upload sites to be
clunky, hard to navigate, etc... a good deal for those like Bookie who
have uploaded dozens of pix, but not the best way to showcase half a
dozen pix.

But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the
pictures and enjoy them thoroughly.

Charlie

cybercat
April 22nd 07, 02:18 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
> But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the
> pictures and enjoy them thoroughly.
>

Thanks Charlie, I saved this! I am interested in learning simple html.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Charlie Wilkes
April 22nd 07, 02:48 AM
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:18:19 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
>> But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the
>> pictures and enjoy them thoroughly.
>>
>>
> Thanks Charlie, I saved this! I am interested in learning simple html.

The basics can be learned in a couple of hours... enough so you can
design a simple web site. From there it can get as complicated as you
want, but that's not necessary for the average person who is sharing
photos etc.

I have been putting up geocities pages for years, and for the most part I
have always used a simple text editor (notepad.exe) to compose them. I
have picked up tips, like how to add background images and corny midi
files, by viewing the source code on other people's web pages, which is
something most browsers allow you to do, if you can find it in the drop-
down menus.

Charlie

Emma Wallace
April 22nd 07, 03:26 AM
On Apr 20, 10:50 am, wrote:
> On 20 Apr, 14:40, thug gangsta bookie fan > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 19, 5:04 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
> > wrote:
> > public plonking" as a mark of success. Even if the
>
> > > plonker is sincere, and actually sets their filters, there's always the
> > > follow up...
>
> > > Charlie
>
> > Nobody knows the plonkings I've seen
>
> Forgive a newbie, but what is a Troll a killfile and a plonk?
> K.


A troll is someone who ****es people off, a killfile is part of a
newsreader(a program that accesses newsgroups, many people use it
instead of google groups) that blocks all messages from the people on
the list, and plonk is the action of adding someone to a killfile.

sheelagh
April 22nd 07, 03:49 AM
On 22 Apr, 02:48, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:18:19 -0400, cybercat wrote:
> > "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
> >> But, of course, whatever anyone does is fine. I always look at all the
> >> pictures and enjoy them thoroughly.
>
> > Thanks Charlie, I saved this! I am interested in learning simple html.
>
> The basics can be learned in a couple of hours... enough so you can
> design a simple web site. From there it can get as complicated as you
> want, but that's not necessary for the average person who is sharing
> photos etc.
>
> I have been putting up geocities pages for years, and for the most part I
> have always used a simple text editor (notepad.exe) to compose them. I
> have picked up tips, like how to add background images and corny midi
> files, by viewing the source code on other people's web pages, which is
> something most browsers allow you to do, if you can find it in the drop-
> down menus.
>
> Charlie

Charlie, I have "never" seen a picture of your cat (Mr Tweakers?).
Would you mind sharing one with us please?

S;o)

Charlie Wilkes
April 22nd 07, 09:31 AM
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:49:01 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

>
> Charlie, I have "never" seen a picture of your cat (Mr Tweakers?). Would
> you mind sharing one with us please?
>
Of course! Here are a few... www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/tweaker.htm

Charlie

Barry
April 22nd 07, 02:06 PM
On Apr 22, 4:31 am, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:

> Of course! Here are a few...www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/tweaker.htm
>
> Charlie

cool looking hide-out there, nice camera

sheelagh
April 22nd 07, 04:36 PM
On 22 Apr, 09:31, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:49:01 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> > Charlie, I have "never" seen a picture of your cat (Mr Tweakers?). Would
> > you mind sharing one with us please?
>
> Of course! Here are a few...www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/tweaker.htm
>
> Charlie

Ever since you posted about Tweakers flying problems, I have been
trying to visualise what he looked like. I have no idea why I didn't
ask you sooner than now really...

He looks like a cat of the world (rather than man..) & wise as a cat
needs to be. I love the fact that he likes his dogs & he certainly
looks like he knows how to handle them, lol ;o)
Thank you for sharing them. He looks wonderful..
S;o)

sheelagh
April 22nd 07, 04:39 PM
On 22 Apr, 14:06, Barry > wrote:
> On Apr 22, 4:31 am, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
> > Of course! Here are a few...www.geocities.com/wilkes_charlie/tweaker.htm
>
> > Charlie
>
> cool looking hide-out there, nice camera

I think hide outs should be mandatory for all cat owner's. We need the
solitude and time out to bond with our cat families.

A good camera is an added bonus of course. (mine isn't working ;o(
S;o)