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chatnoir
April 24th 07, 02:14 PM
On Apr 23, 7:02 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 23 Apr, 02:41, chatnoir > wrote:
>
> > On Apr 22, 6:01 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
>
> > > On 23 Apr, 00:12, "cindys" > wrote:
>
> > > > "Lynne" > wrote in message
>
> > > m...> on Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:37:15 GMT, sheelagh >
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >> She is *Gutted*..
>
> > > > > Oh my god. I am horrified. I don't know what else to say. Sheelagh, I'm
> > > > > so sorry.
>
> > > > > I need to throw up.
>
> > > > -----------
> > > > I just also posted that I needed to throw up and that there was nothing more
> > > > to say. Actually, there is something more thing to say: For anyone who was
> > > > previously defending the law that allows juveniles to get off with a warning
> > > > and emerge with a clean record.....The fact that these animals who killed
> > > > Jack and the other cats also shot at *people,* including an18-month-old
> > > > toddler says it all. I hope these *youths* are prosecuted to the full extent
> > > > of the law, and they are put away for a long, long time, but the unfortunate
> > > > fact is that I am convinced that people such as these will remain a danger
> > > > to society for the rest of their lives, no matter how they are punished.
> > > > Psychopaths always start out hurting and killing animals. There is something
> > > > totally terrifying about someone who is so devoid of emotion, sympathy,
> > > > morals etc that he can cold-bloodedly kill a dozen cats and shoot an air
> > > > rifle at a toddler, who also could have been killed. And the fact that it
> > > > wasn't just one *youth* but several *youths* acting together is also
> > > > terrifying. In the USA, if they had killed a person, the charge would have
> > > > been first-degree murder, and in the USA, a juvenile who commits murder is
> > > > prosecuted as an adult.
>
> > > > Someone told me this past week that Charlie Manson, a 1960s psychopath who
> > > > managed to brainwash a bunch of people into murdering 11 other people and
> > > > gutting them and writing things on the walls of their homes with their own
> > > > blood (and in one case cutting an unborn child out of pregnant woman's
> > > > belly), who has been in prison for years, gets 25,000 pieces of fan mail
> > > > every year...I think that's terrifying.
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > ---Cindy S.
> > > > Someone told me this past week that Charlie Manson, a 1960s psychopath who
> > > > managed to brainwash a bunch of people into murdering 11 other people and
> > > > gutting them and writing things on the walls of their homes with their own
> > > > blood (and in one case cutting an unborn child out of pregnant woman's
> > > > belly), who has been in prison for years, gets 25,000 pieces of fan mail
> > > > every year...I think that's terrifying.
>
> > > OMG, Really..?
>
> > > That is dreadful. It is beyond my comprehension as to why we as tax
> > > payers should have to pay to keep cretins like this alive. The
> > > disgusting thought of killing an unborn child is worse than any other
> > > crime that I can think of. Horrific in fact...Bring back Hanging, or
> > > if we are too yellow bellied for that in the UK, the lethal injection
> > > will do just fine....
>
> > > When Ringo was shot, I felt anger that I didn't know was within
> > > me..But that is nothing compared to what I feel today. as Bookie said,
> > > I was hoping against hope that he was in some one's garden shed, or
> > > even stolen.. But to be there when the police arrived to impart the
> > > news that they thought they had found Jack & that they needed someone
> > > to identify him then to take in the fact that they were aiming a
> > > weapon @ an 18 month old child, pushed me past anger & sent me into a
> > > rage I have ***never***experienced before....
>
> > > Shooting @ a child HAS to be taken seriously. It **IS** ATTEMPED
> > > MURDER. I really can't tale it all in right now. It feels like I am
> > > hovering above myself watching it all unfold. I think the ultimate
> > > question has to be **WHY** did they do it???
> > > I would imagine that I feel the same way @ this very moment as you all
> > > must have felt when you all heard about this Cho geyser. They are
> > > beyond feeling is my only thought....
>
> > > Right now, they really do disgust me. I am in constant touch with
> > > Mummy ( Michelle) & will keep you all up to date with this as it
> > > unfolds. I will push her every inch of the way, & be there for her
> > > when she needs me too. this will not go unpunished, I assure you of
> > > that.. Our poor darling cat Jack. We will stand up and be counted for
> > > this crime..
> > > S.
>
> > Wow I guess this is a serious problem!:
>
> >http://www.gun-control-network.org/A004.htm
>
> > excerpt:
>
> > 2. CAMPAIGNS - AIRGUNS
>
> > There has been a large rise in the number of airguns used in crime
> > over the past ten years. The figure for 1990 was 5,380 weapons
> > whereas by 1999/00 it had risen to 10,103.
>
> > GCN's submission to the Home Affairs Committee (HAC) highlighted the
> > extent of the damage that airguns can cause to people, animals and
> > property by preparing a list of incidents derived from two sources,
> > reports from a national newspaper during the last five years and
> > information given by MPs during debates and committee sessions (see
> > list below).
>
> > Lethality & registration:
>
> > GCN was disappointed at the Government's response to the HAC report.
> > Although all airguns are not going to be licensed, we hope that the
> > definition of a 'lethal weapon' will be such as to require the
> > certification of a large number of airguns that are not currently
> > within the licensing system.
>
> > Airgun incidents - examples from the press & MPs:
>
> > Daily Telegraph
>
> > 7 August 1998 Airgun boy cleared of intent over a shot girl. A 16
> > year old teenager shot a 12 year old girl, Jasmine Proverbs, in the
> > head while showing off a new 195 rifle fitted with telescopic sights
> > and silencer. A bit of the pellet is still lodged in her brain. He
> > had also shot Jasmine's brother in the leg the previous day.
>
> > 11 November 1998 Air rifle attack on pupils. Four children and a
> > dinner lady were hit by pellets fired from an air rifle at a
> > playground of a Primary School. A 16 year old was arrested.
>
> > 16 January 1999 Teenager shot in 'war game'. Richard Bryant, 13, was
> > critically injured when a pellet fired from an airgun lodged in is
> > skull. Four boys aged 11 to 14 were involved. A 14 year old was
> > arrested.
>
> > 13 July 1999 George Atkinson, 13, was fatally wounded after being hit
> > by an airgun pellet in the garden of his aunt's house.
>
> > Derby Evening Telegraph
>
> > 28 August 2001 Cygnets shot in the head. Two young swans have been
> > left with serious head injuries after being shot.... An RSPCA Inspector
> > said 'Two people appear to have gone and deliberately used these swans
> > as target practice with no regard to the suffering they must have gone
> > through.'
>
> > Ripley & Heanor News
>
> > 20 September 2001 Teenager is shot in airgun incident. 15 year old
> > Darren Harrison underwent emergency surgery on his stomach after being
> > shot while walking along a public footpath. Surgeons were unable to
> > remove the airgun pellet which wounded him. The police found evidence
> > of target practice taking place on the path which runs between a wood
> > and open fields.
>
> > The Middlesbrough Gazette
>
> > May 2001 Child killed. A Teeside child was killed on 3rd May 2001 by
> > another child using its father's air rifle, prosecution pending.
>
> > Examples given by MPs
>
> > Mr Doug Henderson (Newcastle upon Tyne N). Standing Committee E. 21st
> > November 1996. A 65 year old Aberdeenshire man died instantly after a
> > pellet fired by a 17 year old taking pot-shots with his new airgun hit
> > him after he stepped into the line of fire.
>
> > Mr Gordon Prentice (Pendle) Standing Committee E. 21st November 1996.
> > Residents on Leigh's biggest housing estate have had enough of teenage
> > troublemakers who use waste bins for airgun practice even though young
> > children are playing there.
>
> > Dr Nick Palmer MP (Broxtowe) 21st January 1998. Reported that the Cat
> > Protection League has estimated that every year 10,000 cats are killed
> > or maimed.
>
> > Jeff Ennis (Barnsley, East and Mexborough). Air Guns (Safety) 23rd
> > June 1999. Adam Yoxall, aged 10, was hit in the eye by an airgun
> > pellet while playing in a local wood. He lost the sight in is left
> > eye
>
> > A 12 year old boy was left in agony after being shot in the back by a
> > sniper
>
> >http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/...Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes CN, It has certainly struck me very close to home I assure you;o(
> Also, thank you very much indeed for taking the time to research &
> also for providing link that you did, for us. It got me thinking & I
> set to work to see if there was an updated version of that link & I
> found it. I will add a link into this post shortly. I also looked it
> up in brader terms & I found a few other links too. I am going to post
> them because they are very relevant to the group, but more so those
> that live in the UK.
> However, I am going to see if I can find anything that would be of
> help to you all over the other side of the pond. Having said that, I
> don't believe that you have such a big as we do with this problem as
> we do, for 2 reasons.
>
> 1) Most of you seem to keep you cats as indoor only pets, so that
> knocks 50% of the problem right on the head...
>
> 2) Your kids or adults don't need to use imitation style guns or even
> air rifles, because you have access to the real thing. If someone has
> a trigger happy mind, they can do the job properly & ensure that they
> do shoot to kill. Here, they have to settle for second best. No one
> with the sort of mentality I have just spoken about, would get a gun
> licence here. The police would reject the request immediately. I don't
> believe for one moment that he hasn't already met the wrong side of
> the law @ 35 years old.. do you?
>
> I am inclined to agree with both Cindy & Bookie's theory on the
> subject..
> It does start @ an early age & simply gets progressively worse, until
> they are either stopped, or taken aside and put in jail, or a mental
> institution.....
>
> I am desperate to make sure that this one doesn't fall to the way side
> @ all. I encouraged her to ring our local paper, email her Memeber of
> Parliament( after all that is what he is there for...to take our
> causes to parliament & present them!!)
> Please don't anyone of you take this as an insult because I certainly
> don't mean it to come across as one!!
>
> Michelle has also called the Rspca, The Cat Protection League, her vet
> & Wood Green Animal Shelter to alert them that there is a serious
> threat to cats in her area & also to inform them that if they get any
> shot cats in, that she believes she knows why and where the threat
> lies too.
>
> Here is an updated version of the brilliant link you so kindly
> provided for us:
>
> http://www.gun-control-network.org/INS0606.htm
>
> This is another one showing the terrible injuries that occur when
> idiotic psychotic maniacs get new * **TOYS***http://www.parkvets.com/petsandvets-airgun.html
>
> And this one is about parliament & the updating of the gun laws too
> (if I remember rightly - I did this earlier, saved it, then had to
> hand over the PC to the kids for homework time).
>
> Thank you for presenting the facts and the idea too
> sheelagh

They actually are doing this months incidents also!:

http://www.gun-control-network.org/IN0407.htm