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June 25th 07, 03:09 PM
Well yesterday (6/24/07) I met up with a breeder and got a 12 week
female Scottish Fold. We're keeping her in our bedroom (which is
plenty cozy, has everything she needs), but she doesn't want to leave
under the bed unless she has to. When she's under there all she does
is meow and meow and meow; she kept me up most of the night with it.

She isn't eating much (i put the food in front of her twice and she
ate a couple of bites but that's it), but when she does eat she makes
the cutest meow sound while she chews the food. It's adoable.

Anyway...
I know she isn't fixed and she might be in heat (but this young?),
because when I was playing with her and scratching her, she was
perking her bum up and making me scratch her there and she loved it.
She meows out the window every chance she gets; but it's mostly her
just sitting under the bed and meowing non-stop for hours that worries
me. Maybe she misses her family? Maybe she's calling for a mate?

We have a male domestic shorthair mix (neutered) who we've had for a
few more days and we gave him run of the apartment until we get this
new kitten checked out but they don't seem to acknowledge each other
yet (we're keeping the bedroom door closed).

She actually had some green gunk on her nose this morning, maybe she's
getting a kitty cold? She has a vet appointment for tomorrow but I
wanted to see what anyone thought I could do in the meantime to make
her more comfortable. Thanks!

bookie
June 25th 07, 06:52 PM
On 25 Jun, 15:09, "
> wrote:
> Well yesterday (6/24/07) I met up with a breeder and got a 12 week
> female Scottish Fold. We're keeping her in our bedroom (which is
> plenty cozy, has everything she needs), but she doesn't want to leave
> under the bed unless she has to. When she's under there all she does
> is meow and meow and meow; she kept me up most of the night with it.
>
> She isn't eating much (i put the food in front of her twice and she
> ate a couple of bites but that's it), but when she does eat she makes
> the cutest meow sound while she chews the food. It's adoable.
>
> Anyway...
> I know she isn't fixed and she might be in heat (but this young?),
> because when I was playing with her and scratching her, she was
> perking her bum up and making me scratch her there and she loved it.
> She meows out the window every chance she gets; but it's mostly her
> just sitting under the bed and meowing non-stop for hours that worries
> me. Maybe she misses her family? Maybe she's calling for a mate?
>
> We have a male domestic shorthair mix (neutered) who we've had for a
> few more days and we gave him run of the apartment until we get this
> new kitten checked out but they don't seem to acknowledge each other
> yet (we're keeping the bedroom door closed).
>
> She actually had some green gunk on her nose this morning, maybe she's
> getting a kitty cold? She has a vet appointment for tomorrow but I
> wanted to see what anyone thought I could do in the meantime to make
> her more comfortable. Thanks!

she si probably missing her mum and her littermates and is generally
rather stressed and a bit scared by asll the new styuff around her.
let her come out from under the bed in her own time, just make sure
she has plenty of fresh food and water availabl under there for
herself in the meatime, she will come out eventually. I dontl thin
kshe is in heat, not that young, she is just missing her mum and
siblings terribly, as any young animals who has just been taken from
her family would be (wouldn't you?).

shame you could not get 2 kittens from the same litter together? would
this be possible? are there any more kittens left? getting 2 together
from the same litter means they keep each company give each other
comfort when they are in a new place and will play together too
(kittens left on their own can get bored without any playmates). see
fi you can get one of her brother or sisters too, that may be a help..

dontl worry about her staying under the bed, she is scared, our last
new arrival, terri 7-year old tortie, spend about 3 days squashed
under the kitchen sink units and we had to slide plates of food and
stuff under their for her. gods knows how she got in there but she
felt safe there for a while and only came out at night to use the tray
and check out her surroundings. It si about 4 months now since she
came here and she has chilled out immensely and has her own favourite
sofa spot, windowsill, cushion, and bed, althouhg she still runs under
the tv whenever anyone knocks onthe frontdoor. she wil never be a
lapcat beacsue of the way she was treated before but thats cool, as
long as she is healthy and relatively happy.

when i was a kid we got a 1 year old cat who had been kicked about the
previous owner and she was PETRIFIED of everything. spent abot 2 weeks
lying under my bed crying, again with plates of food and bowls of
water pushed under there for her. she eventually came round and was
such a cutie for the next 19 years.

in the meantime you can be stockpiling lots of lovely toys for wwhen
she does pluck up the courage to come out of her own choice, ping pong
balls, ribbons, things on sticks, dangly things, cardboards boxes to
investigate and jump into and out of, toilet roll inners to hide tasty
treats in. keepign her amused and playign will help her to forget her
siblings and enjoy her new home, but please dont; force her to come
out too soon.

poor little lamb, any photos?
bookie

June 25th 07, 07:40 PM
Hey thanks for the response!
I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
adorable!

June 25th 07, 07:43 PM
On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
> wrote:
> Hey thanks for the response!
> I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> adorable!

oops, forgot to include the link!
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp?_rh=39nwh31cahbzhgshndazaa7p4&foneblog=1182796156567

bookie
June 25th 07, 11:55 PM
On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > wrote:
> > Hey thanks for the response!
> > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > adorable!
>
> oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...

are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly
upright and pointy and not particularly folded over at all

June 26th 07, 12:29 AM
On Jun 25, 6:55 pm, bookie > wrote:
> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > > wrote:
> > > Hey thanks for the response!
> > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > > adorable!
>
> > oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly
> upright and pointy and not particularly folded over at all

She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together
due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed,
others straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has
the same adorable face, though.

Charlie Wilkes
June 26th 07, 06:54 AM
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:29:31 +0000, wrote:

> On Jun 25, 6:55 pm, bookie > wrote:
>> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > Hey thanks for the response!
>> > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when
>> > > she's left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other
>> > > kittens around her since her birth so being alone is very new to
>> > > her. She only eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show
>> > > this video that I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor
>> > > quality (requires QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes
>> > > when she eats! it's adorable!
>>
>> > oops, forgot to include the
>> > link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/
f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>>
>> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly upright
>> and pointy and not particularly folded over at all
>
> She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together
> due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed, others
> straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has the same
> adorable face, though.

Interesting. It's none of my business, but I'm curious why you bought
this particular type of cat rather than getting a free cat at a shelter.

Charlie

sheelagh
June 26th 07, 01:20 PM
On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > wrote:
> > Hey thanks for the response!
> > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > adorable!
>
> oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...

The noise she is making is usually associated with an experience of
having to fight for her food. A *lot* of the kittens that we foster
make a similar noise to the one that your Kitty displays. Perhaps it
is possible that she is the runt of the litter and had to fight for
her food, or that someone has teased her in the past by taking her
food away from her??

Same as Bookie, I wouldn't be too concerned about her not wanting to
come out just yet. I have also had a Ragdoll adult who displayed the
same behavior when we first got him. It took a couple of weeks for him
to decide that we could be trusted. All he ever came out for was to
use the cat litter in the same room as him, & eat and drink too.

The very fact that she trust you enough to come out & eat in your
presence, is enough for the first couple of weeks. However, if it
continues for more than 3weeks or so, it might be worth taking her to
see a vet who might be able to give you advice regarding this matter.
Remember, she is only a small baby & this is the first time that she
has ever left home and is probably lonely and frightened.

I have a feeling that the best solution to this problem, might be to
get another kitten from a rescue centre perhaps if this is
possible? :o)

It would solve her loneliness and you would be giving a kitty/ cat the
one thing they don't have @ a shelter, which is a Future.
Unfortunately, so many are killed every where & all they require is
love, injections and feeding, & they will repay you a thousand
fold....
( And this advice is coming from an ex breeder of Birmans and Ragdolls
by the way!!)

She looks lovely by the way. I hope that she brings you love and Joy,
& It would be really nice if you kept in touch with us to let us know
how she is doing please?
Many thanx,
Sheelagh

June 26th 07, 01:26 PM
On Jun 26, 8:20 am, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > > wrote:
> > > Hey thanks for the response!
> > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > > adorable!
>
> > oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
> The noise she is making is usually associated with an experience of
> having to fight for her food. A *lot* of the kittens that we foster
> make a similar noise to the one that your Kitty displays. Perhaps it
> is possible that she is the runt of the litter and had to fight for
> her food, or that someone has teased her in the past by taking her
> food away from her??
>
> Same as Bookie, I wouldn't be too concerned about her not wanting to
> come out just yet. I have also had a Ragdoll adult who displayed the
> same behavior when we first got him. It took a couple of weeks for him
> to decide that we could be trusted. All he ever came out for was to
> use the cat litter in the same room as him, & eat and drink too.
>
> The very fact that she trust you enough to come out & eat in your
> presence, is enough for the first couple of weeks. However, if it
> continues for more than 3weeks or so, it might be worth taking her to
> see a vet who might be able to give you advice regarding this matter.
> Remember, she is only a small baby & this is the first time that she
> has ever left home and is probably lonely and frightened.
>
> I have a feeling that the best solution to this problem, might be to
> get another kitten from a rescue centre perhaps if this is
> possible? :o)
>
> It would solve her loneliness and you would be giving a kitty/ cat the
> one thing they don't have @ a shelter, which is a Future.
> Unfortunately, so many are killed every where & all they require is
> love, injections and feeding, & they will repay you a thousand
> fold....
> ( And this advice is coming from an ex breeder of Birmans and Ragdolls
> by the way!!)
>
> She looks lovely by the way. I hope that she brings you love and Joy,
> & It would be really nice if you kept in touch with us to let us know
> how she is doing please?
> Many thanx,
> Sheelagh

Thanks for the kind response :)
Oh that's good to hear about the eating thing, i had a feeling it was
something like that.

Well we actually have another kitten (8 week old male, Beowulf), and
we introduced them yesterday. I honestly can't tell if they're play
fighting or not some of the time. They don't seem to hate each other,
but they don't exactly get close. Even knowing she has a mate she can
hang out with, she's still crying under the bed for attention. Though
Beowulf is a very feisty guy; he loves to wrestle. I can't say she
hates it because she starts the quarrels some of the time! No claws
and no hard biting as far as I can tell.
I've noticed in the past few days that she is just VERY used to having
something or someone nearby at all times. So now that I'm not talking
to her as i write this, she's crying away under the bed again. I
really hope that goes away over time.
She has been eating, wet and dry food. Using the bathroom regularly,
etc. So everything seems good in that respect.

again, thanks for the reply. I have a vet appointment for today to
have her checked out.

sheelagh
June 26th 07, 01:27 PM
On 26 Jun, 06:54, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:29:31 +0000, wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 6:55 pm, bookie > wrote:
> >> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > Hey thanks for the response!
> >> > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when
> >> > > she's left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other
> >> > > kittens around her since her birth so being alone is very new to
> >> > > her. She only eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show
> >> > > this video that I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor
> >> > > quality (requires QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes
> >> > > when she eats! it's adorable!
>
> >> > oops, forgot to include the
> >> > link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/
>
> f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
>
>
> >> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly upright
> >> and pointy and not particularly folded over at all
>
> > She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together
> > due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed, others
> > straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has the same
> > adorable face, though.
>
> Interesting. It's none of my business, but I'm curious why you bought
> this particular type of cat rather than getting a free cat at a shelter.
>
> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states
Charlie?

The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here,
even from a rescue centre, they still charge around 50-60 ($100-120)!
Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To
meet these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people
would gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat...

Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going
for free, from private families who simply want to home their litters
of kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm,
sure this must be possible in the states too?

Sheelagh

sheelagh
June 26th 07, 02:58 PM
On 26 Jun, 13:26, "
> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 8:20 am, sheelagh > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Hey thanks for the response!
> > > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > > > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > > > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > > > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > > > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > > > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > > > adorable!
>
> > > oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
> > The noise she is making is usually associated with an experience of
> > having to fight for her food. A *lot* of the kittens that we foster
> > make a similar noise to the one that your Kitty displays. Perhaps it
> > is possible that she is the runt of the litter and had to fight for
> > her food, or that someone has teased her in the past by taking her
> > food away from her??
>
> > Same as Bookie, I wouldn't be too concerned about her not wanting to
> > come out just yet. I have also had a Ragdoll adult who displayed the
> > same behavior when we first got him. It took a couple of weeks for him
> > to decide that we could be trusted. All he ever came out for was to
> > use the cat litter in the same room as him, & eat and drink too.
>
> > The very fact that she trust you enough to come out & eat in your
> > presence, is enough for the first couple of weeks. However, if it
> > continues for more than 3weeks or so, it might be worth taking her to
> > see a vet who might be able to give you advice regarding this matter.
> > Remember, she is only a small baby & this is the first time that she
> > has ever left home and is probably lonely and frightened.
>
> > I have a feeling that the best solution to this problem, might be to
> > get another kitten from a rescue centre perhaps if this is
> > possible? :o)
>
> > It would solve her loneliness and you would be giving a kitty/ cat the
> > one thing they don't have @ a shelter, which is a Future.
> > Unfortunately, so many are killed every where & all they require is
> > love, injections and feeding, & they will repay you a thousand
> > fold....
> > ( And this advice is coming from an ex breeder of Birmans and Ragdolls
> > by the way!!)
>
> > She looks lovely by the way. I hope that she brings you love and Joy,
> > & It would be really nice if you kept in touch with us to let us know
> > how she is doing please?
> > Many thanx,
> > Sheelagh
>
> Thanks for the kind response :)
> Oh that's good to hear about the eating thing, i had a feeling it was
> something like that.
>
> Well we actually have another kitten (8 week old male, Beowulf), and
> we introduced them yesterday. I honestly can't tell if they're play
> fighting or not some of the time. They don't seem to hate each other,
> but they don't exactly get close. Even knowing she has a mate she can
> hang out with, she's still crying under the bed for attention. Though
> Beowulf is a very feisty guy; he loves to wrestle. I can't say she
> hates it because she starts the quarrels some of the time! No claws
> and no hard biting as far as I can tell.
> I've noticed in the past few days that she is just VERY used to having
> something or someone nearby at all times. So now that I'm not talking
> to her as i write this, she's crying away under the bed again. I
> really hope that goes away over time.
> She has been eating, wet and dry food. Using the bathroom regularly,
> etc. So everything seems good in that respect.
>
> again, thanks for the reply. I have a vet appointment for today to
> have her checked out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



> Well we actually have another kitten (8 week old male, Beowulf), and
> we introduced them yesterday. I honestly can't tell if they're play
> fighting or not some of the time. They don't seem to hate each other,
> but they don't exactly get close. Even knowing she has a mate she can
> hang out with, she's still crying under the bed for attention. Though
> Beowulf is a very feisty guy; he loves to wrestle. I can't say she
> hates it because she starts the quarrels some of the time! No claws
> and no hard biting as far as I can tell.

If I were you, I would try to limit the amount of time that they spend
together in the first few weeks, simply because it gives them the
chance to get to know one another without the hissing & spitting.( If
they are?)

It also gives them the opportunity to see that they will get your
attention when they need it too. With kittens, mock fighting is
something they do naturally with their siblings in their litter. They
do this to prepare themselves for when they get older, to defend
themselves, & to learn Cat-Behaviour. You might see it displayed like
this:

When they curl up whilst rough & tumbling, it means they are
submitting, when they puff themselves up & their little tails go puffy-
fluffy too, this is a show of making themselves look bigger than they
actually are, &is trying to be dominant.. All of this is learnt when
they are with their litter mates, so it is simply a question of
recognising if your scottish fold feels threatened, and if she does,
then you need to take one of them away from the other. (separate them
for a short while)

Below are a few links for you to look at, so that you might better
understand what your kitty is trying to tell you, or wants from you. I
hope that they are of some benefit to you

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/behavior.html

http://www.fabcats.org/behaviour_kitten.html

http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-solve-cat-behavior-problems1.htm

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00025.htm

> I've noticed in the past few days that she is just VERY used to having
> something or someone nearby at all times. So now that I'm not talking
> to her as i write this, she's crying away under the bed again. I
> really hope that goes away over time.
> She has been eating, wet and dry food. Using the bathroom regularly,
> etc. So everything seems good in that respect.

You are most probably right. Any idea how many kittens there were in
her litter?
It is quite possible that she is used to having quite a bit of
attention, & without it, she is asking you for it. Gentle persuasion
to come out from under the bed when Beowulf is not around. The more
only time that she get with you, the more that she will trust you, &
your judgment when he is around her...

See if you can pursued her to sit with you, on your lap for a while, &
speak to her quietly and gently. The quicker you build that trust, the
easier she will find it to cope without you there. She will know that
you are in the background, but not have such a need for your full
attention.
It does sound rather like a dependency problem than a behavioural
problem. If her eating, litter training & every other aspect is going
fine, then I don't think it will be a BIG Problem.

Of course, don't forget that Beowulf will need the same type of
attention, just make sure that they get equal share of your one to
one time, as & when you can...


> again, thanks for the reply. I have a vet appointment for today to

You are most welcome. Good luck @ the vets, & Keep us updated when you
have the time to?
Thanx,
Sheelagh

cybercat
June 26th 07, 03:44 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>
> Interesting. It's none of my business, but I'm curious why you bought
> this particular type of cat rather than getting a free cat at a shelter.

Because Scottish Folds are COOL, you know, like an unusual and
expensive CAR or something, and people will think he is really
SOMETHING for paying all that money just for a CAT, you know?
I mean, if he can spend money like that on a CAT, he must really
be rolling in it. A SHELTER CAT? *Snort* Anybody can have one
of those.

Plus, he got a bargain one. Something about they're so disgustingly
inbred you have to pay a whole lot for the REALLY GOOD
little freak cats.

Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.

cindys
June 26th 07, 04:27 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...
snip

>Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states?

No. The charge is anywhere from $50 to $100 to cover the cost of exam,
vaccinations, and spay/neuter if the cat is more than a few months old,
which is really a bargain when you think of it. At my vet, all of this would
probably run well over $200 for a male and around $300 for a female.

>The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here,
even from a rescue centre, they still charge around 50-60 ($100-120)!
Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To
meet these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people
would gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat...

>Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going
for free, from private families who simply want to home their litters
of kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm,
sure this must be possible in the states too?

Yes. "Free" kittens are never really free. In our vet's office, one of the
local shelters is advertising a special where if you adopt one of their
kitties ($90), you can adopt a second one "free." My husband and I chuckled
over that one (that particular day's bill was *only* $87 dollars for the
exam and the subcu fluids for Alex. The previous week's bill was also over
$80 for the "mini-blood panel" and the special food). The adoption fee is
the least of the expenses of a good cat slave.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

bookie
June 26th 07, 05:44 PM
On 26 Jun, 13:26, "
> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 8:20 am, sheelagh > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Hey thanks for the response!
> > > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > > > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > > > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > > > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > > > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > > > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > > > adorable!
>
> > > oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
> > The noise she is making is usually associated with an experience of
> > having to fight for her food. A *lot* of the kittens that we foster
> > make a similar noise to the one that your Kitty displays. Perhaps it
> > is possible that she is the runt of the litter and had to fight for
> > her food, or that someone has teased her in the past by taking her
> > food away from her??
>
> > Same as Bookie, I wouldn't be too concerned about her not wanting to
> > come out just yet. I have also had a Ragdoll adult who displayed the
> > same behavior when we first got him. It took a couple of weeks for him
> > to decide that we could be trusted. All he ever came out for was to
> > use the cat litter in the same room as him, & eat and drink too.
>
> > The very fact that she trust you enough to come out & eat in your
> > presence, is enough for the first couple of weeks. However, if it
> > continues for more than 3weeks or so, it might be worth taking her to
> > see a vet who might be able to give you advice regarding this matter.
> > Remember, she is only a small baby & this is the first time that she
> > has ever left home and is probably lonely and frightened.
>
> > I have a feeling that the best solution to this problem, might be to
> > get another kitten from a rescue centre perhaps if this is
> > possible? :o)
>
> > It would solve her loneliness and you would be giving a kitty/ cat the
> > one thing they don't have @ a shelter, which is a Future.
> > Unfortunately, so many are killed every where & all they require is
> > love, injections and feeding, & they will repay you a thousand
> > fold....
> > ( And this advice is coming from an ex breeder of Birmans and Ragdolls
> > by the way!!)
>
> > She looks lovely by the way. I hope that she brings you love and Joy,
> > & It would be really nice if you kept in touch with us to let us know
> > how she is doing please?
> > Many thanx,
> > Sheelagh
>
> Thanks for the kind response :)
> Oh that's good to hear about the eating thing, i had a feeling it was
> something like that.
>
> Well we actually have another kitten (8 week old male, Beowulf), and
> we introduced them yesterday. I honestly can't tell if they're play
> fighting or not some of the time. They don't seem to hate each other,
> but they don't exactly get close. Even knowing she has a mate she can
> hang out with, she's still crying under the bed for attention. Though
> Beowulf is a very feisty guy; he loves to wrestle. I can't say she
> hates it because she starts the quarrels some of the time! No claws
> and no hard biting as far as I can tell.
> I've noticed in the past few days that she is just VERY used to having
> something or someone nearby at all times. So now that I'm not talking
> to her as i write this, she's crying away under the bed again. I
> really hope that goes away over time.
> She has been eating, wet and dry food. Using the bathroom regularly,
> etc. So everything seems good in that respect.
>
> again, thanks for the reply. I have a vet appointment for today to
> have her checked out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

poor little mite, she is probably very scared and unhappy, is there
really no chance you can get one of her litter mates too? beowulf may
be a bit too dominant for her and too boisterous.
what about using a feliway diffuser to calm the astmosphere for her,
you can get these easily from the vets, ask when you take her there.
i feel so sad for this poor little angel, she must miss her mum so bad

:-(
bookie

Lis
June 26th 07, 06:13 PM
On Jun 26, 8:27 am, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 26 Jun, 06:54, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:29:31 +0000, wrote:
> > > On Jun 25, 6:55 pm, bookie > wrote:
> > >> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > Hey thanks for the response!
> > >> > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when
> > >> > > she's left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other
> > >> > > kittens around her since her birth so being alone is very new to
> > >> > > her. She only eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show
> > >> > > this video that I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor
> > >> > > quality (requires QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes
> > >> > > when she eats! it's adorable!
>
> > >> > oops, forgot to include the
> > >> > link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/
>
> > f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
> > >> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly upright
> > >> and pointy and not particularly folded over at all
>
> > > She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together
> > > due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed, others
> > > straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has the same
> > > adorable face, though.
>
> > Interesting. It's none of my business, but I'm curious why you bought
> > this particular type of cat rather than getting a free cat at a shelter.
>
> > Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states
> Charlie?

No, they don't.

> The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here,
> even from a rescue centre, they still charge around 50-60 ($100-120)!
> Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To
> meet these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people
> would gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat...

It's about the same here. Costs vary somewhat, depending on what part
of the country, but that sounds about normal.

> Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going
> for free, from private families who simply want to home their litters
> of kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm,
> sure this must be possible in the states too?

Depends on the part of the country. There are big regional variations
in how likely people are to spay and neuter their pets, and of course
because of different conditions we're generally less likey than you in
the UK to let our cats outside.

Lis

sheelagh
June 26th 07, 07:17 PM
On 26 Jun, 16:27, "cindys" > wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
> snip
>
> >Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states?
>
> No. The charge is anywhere from $50 to $100 to cover the cost of exam,
> vaccinations, and spay/neuter if the cat is more than a few months old,
> which is really a bargain when you think of it. At my vet, all of this would
> probably run well over $200 for a male and around $300 for a female.
>
> >The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here,
>
> even from a rescue centre, they still charge around 50-60 ($100-120)!
> Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To
> meet these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people
> would gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat...
>
> >Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going
>
> for free, from private families who simply want to home their litters
> of kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm,
> sure this must be possible in the states too?
>
> Yes. "Free" kittens are never really free. In our vet's office, one of the
> local shelters is advertising a special where if you adopt one of their
> kitties ($90), you can adopt a second one "free." My husband and I chuckled
> over that one (that particular day's bill was *only* $87 dollars for the
> exam and the subcu fluids for Alex. The previous week's bill was also over
> $80 for the "mini-blood panel" and the special food). The adoption fee is
> the least of the expenses of a good cat slave.
> Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

< titter, he he >
You are right of course!
If I could get my cats to get all that work done for that price, I
would snatch their hands of too;o)

Cat -Slaving is a very expensive occupational hazard.
The purchase price is nothing other than a true bargain.. it's the
work that follows it that flattens you, isn't it?

When Ringo was shot, & Lilly got pyometra within a couple of months of
each other, my poor bank manger was having 40 fits & needed heart
tablets to cope with the stress of it all. I can't say that I enjoyed
it very much myself either. Or my poor cats come to that....

( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
me sick to think about it!)

It is just nice to hear that Beowulf has got the same chance that
little Scottie fold has too. I forgot to ask what her name was, sorry
for that afairjudgement- what is her name?

I'm sure that with love, some feliway, time & attention, they will
grow to tolerate each other, & perhaps become even close given these
attributes as they grow up together. Some kitties just take a bit
longer to adapt than others do..
S;o)

Charlie Wilkes
June 26th 07, 09:15 PM
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 05:27:15 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

> On 26 Jun, 06:54, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:29:31 +0000, wrote:
>> > On Jun 25, 6:55 pm, bookie > wrote:
>>
>> >> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly
>> >> upright and pointy and not particularly folded over at all
>>
>> > She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together
>> > due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed,
>> > others straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has
>> > the same adorable face, though.
>>
>> Interesting. It's none of my business, but I'm curious why you bought
>> this particular type of cat rather than getting a free cat at a
>> shelter.
>>
>
> Do shelters allow you to pick a kitten for free in the states Charlie?
>
> The reason I ask you this, is because to adopt a cat/ kitty over here,
> even from a rescue centre, they still charge around 50-60 ($100-120)!
> Mind you, that is with injections and spayed too if old enough. To meet
> these costs, I think they have to charge, & 99'999% of people would
> gladly pay it, to have a ready taken care of kitty or cat...

The American system is no different. The cat itself is free, but the
person who adopts it must pay the cost of spay/neuter and vaccinations.

>
> Having said that, there are lots of kittens in the classifieds going for
> free, from private families who simply want to home their litters of
> kittens because they never bothered getting their cat spayed. I'm, sure
> this must be possible in the states too?
>
Of course. I scraped my cat off a road in the middle of the night, and
he turned out to be a very valuable animal.

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes
June 26th 07, 10:06 PM
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:44:03 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.

I'm not trolling. I'm simply curious about why someone would buy a
"Scottish Fold" kitten that lacks the very trait from which the breed
gets its name.

Charlie

cindys
June 26th 07, 11:02 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:44:03 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
>> Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.
>
> I'm not trolling. I'm simply curious about why someone would buy a
> "Scottish Fold" kitten that lacks the very trait from which the breed
> gets its name.
-----
The Scottish Fold kitties have a reputation for being incredibly sweet and
loving.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

cybercat
June 26th 07, 11:41 PM
"cindys" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:44:03 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.
>>
>> I'm not trolling. I'm simply curious about why someone would buy a
>> "Scottish Fold" kitten that lacks the very trait from which the breed
>> gets its name.
> -----
> The Scottish Fold kitties have a reputation for being incredibly sweet and
> loving.

So does my little rescue tabby.

cybercat
June 26th 07, 11:45 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:44:03 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
>> Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.
>
> I'm not trolling. I'm simply curious about why someone would buy a
> "Scottish Fold" kitten that lacks the very trait from which the breed
> gets its name.
>

Social status. At least he can SAY it's a Scottish Fold. Poor little
deformed creature.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

bookie
June 27th 07, 01:46 AM
>
> ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
> yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
> to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
> find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
> me sick to think about it!)
>
i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
interest etc to pay it back.

you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
hell i really do

bookie

ps i also wonder why the OP felt the need to buy a pedigree puss when
there are loads of rescue kitties out there who also need homes badly.

cindys
June 27th 07, 02:00 AM
"bookie" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> >
snip
>
> you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
> fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> hell i really do

Me too.

>
> ps i also wonder why the OP felt the need to buy a pedigree puss when
> there are loads of rescue kitties out there who also need homes badly.

He bought the pedigreed kitty but he simultaneously adopted the shelter
kitty Beowulf. So, he did provide a home for one shelter kitty.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

sheelagh
June 27th 07, 07:08 AM
On 27 Jun, 01:46, bookie > wrote:
> > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
> > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
> > to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
> > find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
> > me sick to think about it!)
>
> i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> interest etc to pay it back.
>
> you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
> fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> hell i really do








> i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> interest etc to pay it back.u should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody

If only!!

> fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> hell i really do

I don't Bookie. I hate them with passion, but I hate myself even more
for allowing them to get to him.....
& you and I both, hope they rot in hell!

It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
<Glum>
However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
to be learnt

sheelagh
June 27th 07, 07:13 AM
On 26 Jun, 22:06, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:44:03 -0400, cybercat wrote:
> > Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.

> I'm not trolling. I'm simply curious about why someone would buy a
> "Scottish Fold" kitten that lacks the very trait from which the breed
> gets its name.
>
> Charlie







On 26 Jun, 22:06, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:44:03 -0400, cybercat wrote:
> > Nice trolling, Charlie. You reeled me right in.

> I'm not trolling. I'm simply curious about why someone would buy a
> "Scottish Fold" kitten that lacks the very trait from which the breed
> gets its name.
>
> Charlie


> Of course. I scraped my cat off a road in the middle of the night, and
> he turned out to be a very valuable animal.


No, of course your not.
We can see that....
S;o)

Charlie Wilkes
June 27th 07, 08:26 AM
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> <Glum>
> However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> to be learnt

What lesson did you learn?

Charlie

bookie
June 27th 07, 01:06 PM
On 27 Jun, 07:08, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 01:46, bookie > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
> > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
> > > to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
> > > find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
> > > me sick to think about it!)
>
> > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > interest etc to pay it back.
>
> > you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
> > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > hell i really do
> > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > interest etc to pay it back.u should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
>
> If only!!
>
> > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > hell i really do
>
> I don't Bookie. I hate them with passion, but I hate myself even more
> for allowing them to get to him.....
> & you and I both, hope they rot in hell!
>
> It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> <Glum>
> However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> to be learnt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

why shoudl you have to learn a lesson? that youi should not be able to
enjoy your own freedom with your cats in your own neighbourhood? the
only lesson that coudl be learnt from this is that you cannot leave
anything to the british justice system which is crap, these nasty kids
should have been slapped with some more than just their parents having
to foot the bill, especially considering previous behaviour.

did you go to the local pres abotut them? you should have done you
know, you shoudl have named and shamed them and their cretinous
parents who obviously are nto fit to bring up kids.

sheelagh
June 27th 07, 01:43 PM
On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> > <Glum>
> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> > to be learnt
>
> What lesson did you learn?
>
> Charlie

That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
S;o)

sheelagh
June 27th 07, 01:48 PM
On 27 Jun, 13:06, bookie > wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 07:08, sheelagh > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Jun, 01:46, bookie > wrote:
>
> > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
> > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
> > > > to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
> > > > find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
> > > > me sick to think about it!)
>
> > > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > > interest etc to pay it back.
>
> > > you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
> > > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > > hell i really do
> > > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > > interest etc to pay it back.u should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
>
> > If only!!
>
> > > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > > hell i really do
>
> > I don't Bookie. I hate them with passion, but I hate myself even more
> > for allowing them to get to him.....
> > & you and I both, hope they rot in hell!
>
> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> > <Glum>
> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> > to be learnt- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> why shoudl you have to learn a lesson? that youi should not be able to
> enjoy your own freedom with your cats in your own neighbourhood? the
> only lesson that coudl be learnt from this is that you cannot leave
> anything to the british justice system which is crap, these nasty kids
> should have been slapped with some more than just their parents having
> to foot the bill, especially considering previous behaviour.
>
> did you go to the local pres abotut them? you should have done you
> know, you shoudl have named and shamed them and their cretinous
> parents who obviously are nto fit to bring up kids.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I had no need to Bookie. The family that lost Wizard went to them and
reported the incident & their utter outrage. They came here to confirm
that this in fact did happen to Ringo. & as far as humiliation goes,
there was no need to do anything there either. The family is held in
contempt by most of the village now. They don't forget things like
that around here in a hurry. My guess is that they move in the next 6
months, judging by the for sale sign outside
<BIG Grin>
S;o)

sheelagh
June 27th 07, 02:19 PM
On 27 Jun, 13:43, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> > > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> > > <Glum>
> > > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> > > to be learnt
>
> > What lesson did you learn?
>
> > Charlie
>
> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
> S;o)

I forgot to add
In the UK...
Sorry!
S;o)

June 27th 07, 02:25 PM
Well, this thread got crazy pretty fast :)

Yes, it's true, we did adopt from a shelter at the same time that I
just had to get my hands on a Fold. I had seen pictures of them, even
without the folded ears, and thought they were very special. I've just
never been a big fan of the literally hundreds of thousands of
domestic shorthair mixes out there; they're just cats to me but this
one his unique. Her name is Rofl (pronounced Roffle) and here's a
picture of her: http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo24/9b/0b/bf6ad55e6ea5.jpeg?_rh=6guluqgrpaiaeimewf0c4icg3

Rofl and Beowulf have made remarkable progress, I can definitely tell
that they're only play fighting and Rofl's cry fits have decreased 10-
fold. She is still very skittish about us humans though. If I'm
sitting there, just watching her be a kitten (and doing something
cute, obviously), and I move a single muscle, she'll run for cover as
fast as her little legs will take her! This makes it difficult to be
affectionate with her. I do chase her around occasionally and manage
to get her to let me pick her up, but when I sit there with her,
stroking her kindly and sing songs to her, she spasms every few
minutes, trying to get out of my clutches. I feel like I don't want to
hold her in place but at the same time I feel like it's the only way
I'm going to get her used to being held and petted.
I do suppose she is still just a kitten, and would rather be off
running around or helping Beowulf take down Grendel (the swinging cat
toy). I just would like to know what should be done in that situation,
because it truly feels like if I just let her run off and come to me
in her own time, it will take her a long time to ever come to either
of us (I live with my girlfriend btw); like weeks. She would much
rather be relaxing under the bed than being stroked in my lap.

FYI - the adoption fees at the MSPCA totalled to about $120 for
Beowulf, plus the supplies packages they have (food, scratching post,
etc.). I got Rofl on the cheap for about $150, so it essentially cost
the same for both of them, really.

June 27th 07, 02:30 PM
oops. That link didn't work

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/afairjudgement/Rofl.jpg

Charlie Wilkes
June 28th 07, 01:22 AM
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:43:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
>> > <Glum>
>> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable
>> > lesson to be learnt
>>
>> What lesson did you learn?
>>
>> Charlie
>
> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
> S;o)

Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
outside, or do you keep him indoors now?

Charlie

Barry
June 28th 07, 01:27 AM
On Jun 27, 8:22 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:

> Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
> outside, or do you keep him indoors now?


dang'd ol emotional black mail

bookie
June 28th 07, 01:34 AM
On 27 Jun, 13:48, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 13:06, bookie > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Jun, 07:08, sheelagh > wrote:
>
> > > On 27 Jun, 01:46, bookie > wrote:
>
> > > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
> > > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
> > > > > to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
> > > > > find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
> > > > > me sick to think about it!)
>
> > > > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > > > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > > > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > > > interest etc to pay it back.
>
> > > > you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
> > > > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > > > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > > > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > > > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > > > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > > > hell i really do
> > > > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > > > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > > > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > > > interest etc to pay it back.u should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
>
> > > If only!!
>
> > > > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > > > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > > > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > > > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > > > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > > > hell i really do
>
> > > I don't Bookie. I hate them with passion, but I hate myself even more
> > > for allowing them to get to him.....
> > > & you and I both, hope they rot in hell!
>
> > > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> > > <Glum>
> > > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> > > to be learnt- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > why shoudl you have to learn a lesson? that youi should not be able to
> > enjoy your own freedom with your cats in your own neighbourhood? the
> > only lesson that coudl be learnt from this is that you cannot leave
> > anything to the british justice system which is crap, these nasty kids
> > should have been slapped with some more than just their parents having
> > to foot the bill, especially considering previous behaviour.
>
> > did you go to the local pres abotut them? you should have done you
> > know, you shoudl have named and shamed them and their cretinous
> > parents who obviously are nto fit to bring up kids.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I had no need to Bookie. The family that lost Wizard went to them and
> reported the incident & their utter outrage. They came here to confirm
> that this in fact did happen to Ringo. & as far as humiliation goes,
> there was no need to do anything there either. The family is held in
> contempt by most of the village now. They don't forget things like
> that around here in a hurry. My guess is that they move in the next 6
> months, judging by the for sale sign outside
> <BIG Grin>
> S;o)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

good, and i hope that their horrible children continue to ensure they
get hounded out of every place they try to settle in, that will teach
them to not bother bringing up their disgusting spawn properly. A good
slap when they were younger would have sorted those kids out and
taught them what is right and what is wrong from an early age by
simople use of conditioning and negative reinforcement (ie you do
something bad you get a slap, you dont do anything bad you dont get a
slap, simple really, so simple I am sure even those retards coudl
learn it).

I bet they did the old 'reasoning with the kids' crap when the kids
were very little and far too young to be reasoned with? very young
kids just need to know the boundaries of what is acceptable and what
is not, they cannot work it out for themselves when they are 2 or 3
years old as they have no 'theory of mind' at that age and their whole
world revolves around their own pleasure and enjoyment. Very small
kids don't give a thought about anyone else or their feelings, they
have not developed cognitively enough to be able to do that yet, they
are very egocentric. By failing to do this with their kids at a young
age these people have basically failed their kids as they now have no
notion of how to behave decently in modern society or how to function
properly around other people either.

tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them
out of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the
neck for the kids?

i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.

cindys
June 28th 07, 03:00 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:43:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>>
>>> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
>>> > <Glum>
>>> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable
>>> > lesson to be learnt
>>>
>>> What lesson did you learn?
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>
>> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
>> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
>> S;o)
>
> Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
> outside, or do you keep him indoors now?
-------
IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe outdoor
enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing weblinks to
different designs and discussing and getting people's opinions on what type
of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and security for her cats. And
she provided weblinks to photos of the enclosure when it was finished.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

Charlie Wilkes
June 28th 07, 06:22 AM
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:00:46 -0400, cindys wrote:

> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:43:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>
>>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
>>>> > <Glum>
>>>> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable
>>>> > lesson to be learnt
>>>>
>>>> What lesson did you learn?
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
>>> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
>>> S;o)
>>
>> Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
>> outside, or do you keep him indoors now?
> -------
> IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe
> outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing
> weblinks to different designs and discussing and getting people's
> opinions on what type of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and
> security for her cats. And she provided weblinks to photos of the
> enclosure when it was finished. Best regards,
> ---Cindy S.

Yes. Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten about that.

I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's
cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England.

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes
June 28th 07, 07:11 AM
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out
> of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for
> the kids?
>
> i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.

Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality test,
consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while wearing
blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a way of
learning more about yourself.

Charlie

Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-
June 28th 07, 07:14 AM
On Jun 28, 2:11 am, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out
> > of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for
> > the kids?
>
> > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.
>
> Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality test,
> consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while wearing
> blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a way of
> learning more about yourself.
>
> Charlie

bookie would make a good neo-con robot in the States

Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-don
June 28th 07, 07:16 AM
On Jun 28, 2:14 am, Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-
schlitter-crass- > wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2:11 am, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> > > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> > > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out
> > > of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for
> > > the kids?
>
> > > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.
>
> > Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality test,
> > consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while wearing
> > blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a way of
> > learning more about yourself.
>
> > Charlie
>
> bookie would make a good neo-con robot in the States

just right of Attila the Hun

cybercat
June 28th 07, 02:05 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:00:46 -0400, cindys wrote:
>
>> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:43:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
>>>>> > <Glum>
>>>>> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable
>>>>> > lesson to be learnt
>>>>>
>>>>> What lesson did you learn?
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
>>>> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
>>>> S;o)
>>>
>>> Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
>>> outside, or do you keep him indoors now?
>> -------
>> IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe
>> outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing
>> weblinks to different designs and discussing and getting people's
>> opinions on what type of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and
>> security for her cats. And she provided weblinks to photos of the
>> enclosure when it was finished. Best regards,
>> ---Cindy S.
>
> Yes. Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten about that.
>
> I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's
> cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England.
>

But they must be fwee.

sheelagh
June 28th 07, 02:28 PM
On 28 Jun, 03:00, "cindys" > wrote:
> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:43:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >>> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> >>> > <Glum>
> >>> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable
> >>> > lesson to be learnt
>
> >>> What lesson did you learn?
>
> >>> Charlie
>
> >> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
> >> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
> >> S;o)
>
> > Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
> > outside, or do you keep him indoors now?
>
> -------
> IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe outdoor
> enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing weblinks to
> different designs and discussing and getting people's opinions on what type
> of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and security for her cats. And
> she provided weblinks to photos of the enclosure when it was finished.
> Best regards,


> ---Cindy S.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This is true.

I had to do it for peace of mind for all of my cats.
Not just the pedigree cats. After all, it was the Ginger Tabby that
was shot, rather than the pedigree ones, which actually suprised
me....
Sheelagh

sheelagh
June 28th 07, 03:43 PM
On 28 Jun, 06:22, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:00:46 -0400, cindys wrote:
> > "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:43:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >>> On 27 Jun, 08:26, Charlie Wilkes >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:08:46 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >>>> > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> >>>> > <Glum>
> >>>> > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable
> >>>> > lesson to be learnt
>
> >>>> What lesson did you learn?
>
> >>>> Charlie
>
> >>> That humans are by far the worst predators when it comes to cat abuse.
> >>> Very Droll Charlie, very drll ;o)
> >>> S;o)
>
> >> Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run around
> >> outside, or do you keep him indoors now?
> > -------

On 28 Jun, 03:00, "cindys" > wrote:
> > IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe
> > outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing
> > weblinks to different designs and discussing and getting people's
> > opinions on what type of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and
> > security for her cats. And she provided weblinks to photos of the
> > enclosure when it was finished. Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.
>
> Yes. Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten about that.
>
> I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's
> cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England.
>
> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On 28 Jun, 03:00, "cindys" > wrote:
> > IIRC, Sheelagh went through an awful lot of trouble to build a safe
> > outdoor enclosure. She spent a lot of time on this group providing
> > weblinks to different designs and discussing and getting people's
> > opinions on what type of enclosure would provide the most pleasure and
> > security for her cats. And she provided weblinks to photos of the
> > enclosure when it was finished. Best regards,
> > ---Cindy S.

> Yes. Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten about that.

> Droll? I am merely being straightforward. Does Ringo still run
around
> outside, or do you keep him indoors now?

When I made that comment, I thought you were already aware that we had
built a cat run. It was a terribly painful lesson to learn from Both
Ringo's & our point's of view too. This incident is something that had
*never* happened to any of our cats prior to that incident, so there
was no reason to feel there was any threat to them..

Hence our reason for allowing the adoptive cats to roam in the near
vicinity of our house. Obviously, since Ringo was shot, things have
changed. they had to. I couldn't run the risk of that happening again
to our feline family....

> I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's
> cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England.

Charlie, I think you want me to say this:

It pains me to say this, but increasingly, people are feeling so
threatened by other people/ kids, with regard to their cats, that
they are choosing to ensure that their pets are safe by enclosing them
within our borders of our property.

There are still very few reasons to think that there is any general
threat towards our cats in as far as predators, ( other animals,
rabies, & most of the general threats in the USA that lead most of you
to conclude that indoor life for cats is the best option for them.) I
have already tried explained how abnormal other Brits think it is when
you try to explain why. I can only akin it to telling a Nomad in the
Sahara that he should take better care of his camels in a stable in
case someone or thing might hurt them, or they are being
irresponsible!

If I could explain in words how odd *other people* think it is to do
that over here, I would try to.

You will note that *I* no longer see it as a safe option, unless I
happen to be with my cats on reins. They are allowed our in my garden
via a tunnel into a cat pen which takes up about half of my garden,
because I feel dreadful about taking away their liberty. Maybe others
wouldn't, but I felt the need to give them as much freedom as I could
without putting them @ risk...

However, there is a growing trend of people who are unwilling to take
that chance, & I happen to be one of them. There are not that many of
us that feel this way over in the UK though. It makes me angry that I
should have to go to these lengths, but it is much better than finding
one of feline family dead. The threat is still relatively almost
negligible.. But negligible is too great a threat to me
personally....

I felt it was necessary & best for me & my cat's.

Nevertheless, I would never dream of imposing my point of view on
other cat slaves over here, because I do understand how minuscule that
threat is, & It would be wrong of me to make them feel bad about what
they feel is best for their cat.

> I guess the moral of the story is that it's not a good idea to let one's
> cats roam the neighborhood, even in Merry Old England.

I have read a couple of comments in this thread that have been
designed & engineered to make "some" Brits rise to the bait.

I see no reason to though.
Why would I?
I have no arguement over this issue....

What you say is actually increasingly true, & also very sad
considering that cats have been allowed freedom for centuries, &
there is no Rabies threat & almost no wildlife threat to them
either. I am sure we will all adapt in time- It's just terribly sad to
have to go to these lengths for fear of our main threat which is
almost entirely, Humans..

Wouldn't you feel the same way if this was the case for you too?
Sheelagh

sheelagh
June 28th 07, 04:33 PM
On 28 Jun, 01:34, bookie > wrote:
> On 27 Jun, 13:48, sheelagh > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Jun, 13:06, bookie > wrote:
>
> > > On 27 Jun, 07:08, sheelagh > wrote:
>
> > > > On 27 Jun, 01:46, bookie > wrote:
>
> > > > > > ( I have just received the last payment from the boy's parent's,
> > > > > > yesterday- About time too!!...I'm just glad I don't have to even speak
> > > > > > to them anymore. I feel no sorrow for them @ all- after all, I had to
> > > > > > find the money to pay it before they even admitted liability. It makes
> > > > > > me sick to think about it!)
>
> > > > > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > > > > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > > > > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > > > > interest etc to pay it back.
>
> > > > > you should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
> > > > > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > > > > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > > > > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > > > > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > > > > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > > > > hell i really do
> > > > > i hope they had to pay interest on that too since you will have lost
> > > > > interest form your money not being inthe bank or even more so if you
> > > > > had to take out a loan to pay the vet and therefore incurred fees and
> > > > > interest etc to pay it back.u should never feel sorry for these people, it is their own bloody
>
> > > > If only!!
>
> > > > > fault they have not boethered to educate their nasty offspring
> > > > > properly and therefore they now have to pay the price for this,
> > > > > literally, just wish the bill was much higher. I don't think any
> > > > > punishment for those horrible vicious little *******s will veer really
> > > > > be enough for what they did to poor ringo, i hope those kids rot in
> > > > > hell i really do
>
> > > > I don't Bookie. I hate them with passion, but I hate myself even more
> > > > for allowing them to get to him.....
> > > > & you and I both, hope they rot in hell!
>
> > > > It taught me a very expensive lesson, & Ringo a very painful one...
> > > > <Glum>
> > > > However, I am grateful to be able to say that it was a valuable lesson
> > > > to be learnt- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > why shoudl you have to learn a lesson? that youi should not be able to
> > > enjoy your own freedom with your cats in your own neighbourhood? the
> > > only lesson that coudl be learnt from this is that you cannot leave
> > > anything to the british justice system which is crap, these nasty kids
> > > should have been slapped with some more than just their parents having
> > > to foot the bill, especially considering previous behaviour.
>
> > > did you go to the local pres abotut them? you should have done you
> > > know, you shoudl have named and shamed them and their cretinous
> > > parents who obviously are nto fit to bring up kids.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I had no need to Bookie. The family that lost Wizard went to them and
> > reported the incident & their utter outrage. They came here to confirm
> > that this in fact did happen to Ringo. & as far as humiliation goes,
> > there was no need to do anything there either. The family is held in
> > contempt by most of the village now. They don't forget things like
> > that around here in a hurry. My guess is that they move in the next 6
> > months, judging by the for sale sign outside
> > <BIG Grin>
> > S;o)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> good, and i hope that their horrible children continue to ensure they
> get hounded out of every place they try to settle in, that will teach
> them to not bother bringing up their disgusting spawn properly. A good
> slap when they were younger would have sorted those kids out and
> taught them what is right and what is wrong from an early age by
> simople use of conditioning and negative reinforcement (ie you do
> something bad you get a slap, you dont do anything bad you dont get a
> slap, simple really, so simple I am sure even those retards coudl
> learn it).
>
> I bet they did the old 'reasoning with the kids' crap when the kids
> were very little and far too young to be reasoned with? very young
> kids just need to know the boundaries of what is acceptable and what
> is not, they cannot work it out for themselves when they are 2 or 3
> years old as they have no 'theory of mind' at that age and their whole
> world revolves around their own pleasure and enjoyment. Very small
> kids don't give a thought about anyone else or their feelings, they
> have not developed cognitively enough to be able to do that yet, they
> are very egocentric. By failing to do this with their kids at a young
> age these people have basically failed their kids as they now have no
> notion of how to behave decently in modern society or how to function
> properly around other people either.
>
> tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them
> out of town in the old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the
> neck for the kids?
>
> i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't think we need to. My kids tell me that the boys have paid
quite dearly for what they have done already, hence the decision to
move, & asap. It would seem as the price of the house has gone down in
price twice in two months already!!

Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one.
Stick them in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you
can buy rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.

It gives us all ( the whole Village), a chance to express our feelings
in a none violent way, but humiliates them & it is something that
they would never forget to the end of their days as well.

You know how cruel kids can be when it pleases them, & In this
instance I think it might possibly be far more effective than the
burning tyre method, (however tempting it feels;o)

These lads really have paid dearly for what they did. They became
known as the cat-Bashers, Have no friends anymore & very few people
have time to speak to the Family in general. I think that is why they
decided to move & try & have make a new start. Much as I hate what
they did to our Ringo, &, I do find it hard to find forgiveness...I
have to be honest when I tell you that the whole family paid for what
thier boys did to him. When you live in a small village, life is like
that.

Had Ringo not made it through that incident, I might feel differently,
as do Wizard's Family (who now have Paddy, the Bi-colour, Paddy, we
had), But Ringo is ok now, & they did pay for it in money and kind,
believe me?!!

I can't forgive them, but I can move on, simply because I have to.
The worst part was loosing faith in humanity, & having to take some of
the cats liberty away from them. It broke my heart to have to do that,
but I couldn't go through that again, so I felt I had no choice.
It's sad really, isn't it?
Sheelagh

June 28th 07, 06:04 PM
Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats.
Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere.

sheelagh
June 28th 07, 07:03 PM
On 28 Jun, 18:04, "
> wrote:
> Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats.
> Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere.

Your right.
This is neither the time nor the place to debate this issue.
< Smile & chilling down fast, Lol>

I offer my apologies for allowing this issue spill over into your
post.
I would like to hope that others do too!

How did you get on @ the vets when you took Rofl & Beowulf the other
day.
I hope that it went well & that you had a possitive outcome, with good
suggestions as to how to cope with Rofl's timidness?

It would be interesting to hear what their advice was?
Thank you,
sheelagh

cindys
June 28th 07, 07:15 PM
> wrote in message
ps.com...
> Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats.
> Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere.
-------
Usenet groups are public, and threads do tend to go off on tangents. The
incident with Ringo's being shot was a really huge deal, and a major topic
for conversation on this group for several weeks. The group (as a whole) had
many strong feelings then and continues to have strong feelings now about
what happened to Ringo. If you want a private conversation, then use e-mail,
but otherwise, you can't tell people on a public newsgroup to take a
conversation "elsewhere" particularly when the conversation is totally
on-topic (of cat health and behavior).
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

June 28th 07, 07:17 PM
Meanwhile.......
things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens.

See, Beowulf is the excited, exploratory kind of tomcat, who will jump
on anything, play with you whenever you want, let you touch/pet/hold
him. Newly named Rofl (the scottish fold), is still as skittish as
ever. She's been getting up, running around, having a blast with
Beowulf; but it seems Beowulf is adopting her sense to run away
whenever we go to touch him in any way.
If you get too close to her, she'll immediately high-tail it for the
bedroom down the hall and hang out under the very hard to access
platform bed, until much later (usually a matter of hours), whereas
Beowulf will just run from you until you give up, he won't even hide.

I am tempted to keep them blocked off from the bedroom where it seems
their safe haven is, if only to limit the number of hiding spaces they
have to get away from us whenever they want.
Beowulf I'm not too concerned about, he'll be fine...he's too
adventurous and affectionate to not be. But Rofl...I have to chase her
around sometimes to get her to let me pick her up and pet her for a
while. She still struggles while being pet; I even had her in my lap
for a good 30 minutes straight the other night, she tried to get away
probably once a minute, every minute, for 30 minutes. Does this mean
she isn't a lapcat or am I expecting too much, considering we've only
had them 4 days?

She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She
will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with
it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone
wants to be physical with her.
She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's
progress.

CheeseFace via CatKB.com
June 28th 07, 09:12 PM
One of my cat books says scottish folds' ears don't actually fold until
they're at least a month old & sometimes only one ear folds - talk about cute!


wrote:
>> On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>> are you sure she is a scottish fold? her ears seem to be fairly
>> upright and pointy and not particularly folded over at all
>
>She's definitely a fold, but you can't breed two folded ears together
>due to health defects; so some of them end up coming out pointed,
>others straigfht. The pointed ones are...more affordable. Still has
>the same adorable face, though.

--
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http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-health/200706/1

Lis
June 28th 07, 09:19 PM
On Jun 28, 1:04 pm, "
> wrote:
> Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats.
> Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere.

Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has
no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction
of it. The conversation goes where it goes.

Lis

June 28th 07, 09:40 PM
> Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has
> no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction
> of it. The conversation goes where it goes.
>
> Lis

That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums
particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct.
When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic
disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut
down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell
and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens.

Matthew
June 28th 07, 09:56 PM
> wrote in message
ps.com...
>> Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has
>> no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction
>> of it. The conversation goes where it goes.
>>
>> Lis
>
> That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums
> particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct.
> When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic
> disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut
> down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell
> and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens.
>

Unfortunately this happens quite a bit sometimes. Being a unmoderated
forum this happens all you can do is go with the flow, jump in or get off
the beach. Some times it is time to break out the popcorn

Charlie Wilkes
June 28th 07, 09:58 PM
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:17:14 -0700, wrote:
>
> She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She
> will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with
> it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone wants
> to be physical with her.

I would leave her alone and let her hide wherever she feels most
comfortable. You are reinforcing her aversion to contact.

Some cats do not like to be held or touched, and you have to find other
ways to relate to them.

Charlie

cindys
June 28th 07, 10:52 PM
> wrote in message
ps.com...
>> Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has
>> no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction
>> of it. The conversation goes where it goes.
>>
>> Lis
>
> That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums
> particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct.

But this isn't one of those fora and has no such codes of conduct.

> When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic
> disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut
> down.

And that's the difference between a forum or a moderated group and an
unmoderated group (such as this one). There is no moderator on an
unmoderated group to shut a thread down if the topic disappears or turns
into something else. That's why people form moderated groups, but this
particular group is not moderated.

>These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell
> and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens.

I don't know who are "these people" but Bookie's comments were regarding the
idiots who shot Sheelagh's cat, Ringo, and were not directed at you or your
kittens. Above, Lis was simply explaining to you how Usenet works (as I
did). No one is getting angry with you as far as I can tell.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

Charlie Wilkes
June 29th 07, 12:02 AM
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:43:40 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> There are still very few reasons to think that there is any general
> threat towards our cats in as far as predators, ( other animals, rabies,
> & most of the general threats in the USA that lead most of you to
> conclude that indoor life for cats is the best option for them.) I have
> already tried explained how abnormal other Brits think it is when you
> try to explain why. I can only akin it to telling a Nomad in the Sahara
> that he should take better care of his camels in a stable in case
> someone or thing might hurt them, or they are being irresponsible!

The U.K. is a backwards culture in many respects and this is a good
example. The hazards facing outdoor cats are numerous and not confined
to malicious teenagers. There is also the risk of traffic, storm drains,
hollow walls, and other environmental hazards. You cannot tell me these
things are not a factor in the U.K. One of your storm drains killed a
full-grown man the other day... how much better would a cat fare?

In parts of Asia, most people still smoke cigarettes and they think the
health risks are overstated. Eventually they will wise up, and
eventually the Brits will wise up about the dangers facing their outdoor
cats. You have already wised up yourself, so you are ahead of the
national average.

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes
June 29th 07, 12:13 AM
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them in
> the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy rotten
> eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.

Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty criminals
were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the king
intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to Australia.

Charlie

bookie
June 29th 07, 12:14 AM
On 28 Jun, 19:17, "
> wrote:
> Meanwhile.......
> things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens.
>
> See, Beowulf is the excited, exploratory kind of tomcat, who will jump
> on anything, play with you whenever you want, let you touch/pet/hold
> him. Newly named Rofl (the scottish fold), is still as skittish as
> ever. She's been getting up, running around, having a blast with
> Beowulf; but it seems Beowulf is adopting her sense to run away
> whenever we go to touch him in any way.
> If you get too close to her, she'll immediately high-tail it for the
> bedroom down the hall and hang out under the very hard to access
> platform bed, until much later (usually a matter of hours), whereas
> Beowulf will just run from you until you give up, he won't even hide.
>
> I am tempted to keep them blocked off from the bedroom where it seems
> their safe haven is, if only to limit the number of hiding spaces they
> have to get away from us whenever they want.
> Beowulf I'm not too concerned about, he'll be fine...he's too
> adventurous and affectionate to not be. But Rofl...I have to chase her
> around sometimes to get her to let me pick her up and pet her for a
> while. She still struggles while being pet; I even had her in my lap
> for a good 30 minutes straight the other night, she tried to get away
> probably once a minute, every minute, for 30 minutes. Does this mean
> she isn't a lapcat or am I expecting too much, considering we've only
> had them 4 days?
>
> She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She
> will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with
> it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone
> wants to be physical with her.
> She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's
> progress.

please do not close off her safe area, she needs that, she wil come
round in time, but she will only do so if she knows she has somewhere
she can still escape to if she suddenyl feels threatened.
think bowlby's attachment theory and about the securely attached
child; such a child will go exploring because they know there is a
place where they can return to easily and get security and protection
(ie the mother or care giver), they are happy to go and roam and make
new friends because they knwo they still ahve the 'secure base' there
which they can retuirn to at anytime, this is what your scottish fold
needs and that is why you cannot close off the bedroom to her

bookie
June 29th 07, 12:16 AM
On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out
> > of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for
> > the kids?
>
> > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.
>
> Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality test,
> consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while wearing
> blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a way of
> learning more about yourself.
>
> Charlie
i know myself very well thank you, and i know i do not need to resort
to nasty sly little comments such as this one form you to feel good
about myself

what a knobcheese

bookie
June 29th 07, 12:23 AM
On 28 Jun, 21:40, "
> wrote:
> > Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has
> > no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction
> > of it. The conversation goes where it goes.
>
> > Lis
>
> That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums
> particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct.
> When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic
> disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut
> down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell
> and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens.

maybe if you read about the incident sheelagh is referring to re-ringo
et al it may be of help, ir what happened the treatment he had etc,
considering how easily available guns are inthe US it may be well
worth your while reading about it

bookie
and dont; force the scottish fold to sit on your lap if she doesn;t
want to, I don't force either of mine to, dontl; think any of my cats
have ever been real lap cats and quite frankly i couldnt care less,
that is not what i got them for. i got them to give them a home and to
spoil them rotten, not so that they woudl do my bidding and sit on my
lap at my command.
just let the poor little mite be for a while, stop scaring her too and
grabbing her, give her some space and time. get down to her level,
physically i mean, get down on the floor and just spend time lying
next to her on the floor talking to her, just do this a few times
without attempting to touch her or pick her up, show her that you are
no threat to her and that you are nice to be with, give her some tasty
cat treats whilst you're at it, then go away and leave her, then go
back an just sit with her.
give a few days then try to stroke her, build it up slowly and allow
her to come out of her shell and see that you are no threat, don't
force her into having contact with you or that will just scare her
more and destroy any relationship.

anymore pictures of her?

Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-don
June 29th 07, 05:17 AM
On Jun 28, 7:16 pm, bookie > wrote:
> On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> > > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> > > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them out
> > > of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the neck for
> > > the kids?
>
> > > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.
>
> > Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality test,
> > consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while wearing
> > blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a way of
> > learning more about yourself.
>
> > Charlie
>
> i know myself very well thank you, and i know i do not need to resort
> to nasty sly little comments such as this one form you to feel good
> about myself
>
> what a knobcheese

Wow. What a frustrated bint you are.
Go service yourself and have a kip.

Charlie Wilkes
June 29th 07, 09:28 AM
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:16:34 -0700, bookie wrote:

> On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>>
>> > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
>> > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them
>> > out of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the
>> > neck for the kids?
>>
>> > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.
>>
>> Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality
>> test, consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while
>> wearing blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a
>> way of learning more about yourself.
>>
>> Charlie
> i know myself very well thank you, and i know i do not need to resort to
> nasty sly little comments such as this one form you to feel good about
> myself

What do you expect? I've been reading your posts for several months.
You are intelligent and much of what you write is good common sense.
But, at the same time, it's hard not to notice that violent/morbid
fantasies are a recurring theme with you, one that goes well beyond what
I would consider normal. It piques my curiosity the same way a car
accident might.

Here are some pictures that show what happens when someone has a burning
tire put around their neck:

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos11.asp

Is this something you'd like to bring into your life?

Charlie

sheelagh
June 29th 07, 02:47 PM
On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them in
> > the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy rotten
> > eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty criminals
> were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the king
> intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to Australia.
>
> Charlie


> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty criminals
> were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the king
> intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to Australia.

Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
protest before Charlie?
It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
not.

I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
( who has a pretty tight immigration laws I might add!! In fact, if
you have a criminal record, you can pretty well write off the
intention of migrating there...)

FYI I was *trying* to make light of a situation that I can assure you
was not in the least funny. Inside I feel a boiling anger. However, I
am intelligent enough to realise that whatever I feel has no baring in
relation to reality. It's happend, I have learnt the hard way from the
situation, I have done what I feel is right for my cats.

If you feel this is the wrong thing to do, I would like to hear your
reasons why?

Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
out in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
necks is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
should deal with the situation, then just say So.
Personally, I understand Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something
like that myself & wouldn't either.

If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said, you are
determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
agree with!
( all be they small issues)

Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
If I had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
your motive behind your comments?
Sheelagh

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 03:30 PM
> wrote in message
ps.com...
> Meanwhile.......
> things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens.
>
> See, Beowulf is the excited, exploratory kind of tomcat, who will jump
> on anything, play with you whenever you want, let you touch/pet/hold
> him. Newly named Rofl (the scottish fold), is still as skittish as
> ever. She's been getting up, running around, having a blast with
> Beowulf; but it seems Beowulf is adopting her sense to run away
> whenever we go to touch him in any way.
> If you get too close to her, she'll immediately high-tail it for the
> bedroom down the hall and hang out under the very hard to access
> platform bed, until much later (usually a matter of hours), whereas
> Beowulf will just run from you until you give up, he won't even hide.
>
> I am tempted to keep them blocked off from the bedroom where it seems
> their safe haven is, if only to limit the number of hiding spaces they
> have to get away from us whenever they want.
> Beowulf I'm not too concerned about, he'll be fine...he's too
> adventurous and affectionate to not be. But Rofl...I have to chase her
> around sometimes to get her to let me pick her up and pet her for a
> while. She still struggles while being pet; I even had her in my lap
> for a good 30 minutes straight the other night, she tried to get away
> probably once a minute, every minute, for 30 minutes. Does this mean
> she isn't a lapcat or am I expecting too much, considering we've only
> had them 4 days?
>
> She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She
> will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with
> it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone
> wants to be physical with her.
> She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's
> progress.

You'll never, ever, ever get a cat to come to you if you forcibly restrain
her. Cats are notoriously independent and form an aversion to people who
try to bend them to their will. And it you take away their hiding place
they will only become more and more skittish and afraid - they need that
save haven in order to feel confident enough to explore (which, at first) is
usally done at night while you're sleeping). Perversly, the best way to get
a cat to come to you is to totally ignore them (that's actually correct
etiquette in cat body language - just watch how two cats interact, how they
turn their faces away from each other). 4 days is nowhere near long enough
for a cat's introduction to a new home. It usually takes upwards of two
weeks, but should always go at the cat's pace, not yours.

HTH, HAND

Hugs,

CatNipped

June 29th 07, 03:46 PM
On Jun 29, 10:30 am, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
>
>
> > Meanwhile.......
> > things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens.
>
> > See, Beowulf is the excited, exploratory kind of tomcat, who will jump
> > on anything, play with you whenever you want, let you touch/pet/hold
> > him. Newly named Rofl (the scottish fold), is still as skittish as
> > ever. She's been getting up, running around, having a blast with
> > Beowulf; but it seems Beowulf is adopting her sense to run away
> > whenever we go to touch him in any way.
> > If you get too close to her, she'll immediately high-tail it for the
> > bedroom down the hall and hang out under the very hard to access
> > platform bed, until much later (usually a matter of hours), whereas
> > Beowulf will just run from you until you give up, he won't even hide.
>
> > I am tempted to keep them blocked off from the bedroom where it seems
> > their safe haven is, if only to limit the number of hiding spaces they
> > have to get away from us whenever they want.
> > Beowulf I'm not too concerned about, he'll be fine...he's too
> > adventurous and affectionate to not be. But Rofl...I have to chase her
> > around sometimes to get her to let me pick her up and pet her for a
> > while. She still struggles while being pet; I even had her in my lap
> > for a good 30 minutes straight the other night, she tried to get away
> > probably once a minute, every minute, for 30 minutes. Does this mean
> > she isn't a lapcat or am I expecting too much, considering we've only
> > had them 4 days?
>
> > She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She
> > will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with
> > it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone
> > wants to be physical with her.
> > She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's
> > progress.
>
> You'll never, ever, ever get a cat to come to you if you forcibly restrain
> her. Cats are notoriously independent and form an aversion to people who
> try to bend them to their will. And it you take away their hiding place
> they will only become more and more skittish and afraid - they need that
> save haven in order to feel confident enough to explore (which, at first) is
> usally done at night while you're sleeping). Perversly, the best way to get
> a cat to come to you is to totally ignore them (that's actually correct
> etiquette in cat body language - just watch how two cats interact, how they
> turn their faces away from each other). 4 days is nowhere near long enough
> for a cat's introduction to a new home. It usually takes upwards of two
> weeks, but should always go at the cat's pace, not yours.
>
> HTH, HAND
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

Finally, some helpful words. Thank you. I've been doing just that,
even before you mentioned it. Sometimes I can be really impatient and
I wasn't sure what would be considered acceptable with kittens in this
respect. I've never had a kitten before, so mind me. I'm just going to
continue ignoring her and hope that she comes around.
Thanks again.
I hope the rest of you can settle your tension in a healthy fashion;
it's pretty sick what you guys are getting into with this
conversation. With such complete disregard for any other people (and
concerned people such as myself). You shouldn't even be on the
internet. Go outside and argue with a fire hydrant, it'll probably be
more willing to deal with your BS than anyone on the internet will.

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 04:07 PM
> wrote in message
oups.com...

<snip>

> I wasn't sure what would be considered acceptable with kittens in this
> respect. I've never had a kitten before, so mind me. I'm just going to
> continue ignoring her and hope that she comes around.

If it is a very young kitten, 6 - 10 weeks old, that's a different story -
they need to be handled a lot at that age to get them used to people. But
after that you need to take a totally different approach as I outlined in my
last post.

Also, what may help to acclimate her is to use a wand-type, feathered "cat
teaser" to play with her (a plastic stick with a long piece of leather
attached to that and a group of feathers attached to the end of the
leather). The feathers will be distant enough from you so that she doesn't
feel threatened, but the more she plays close to you, the more comfortable
she will be with you. What I usually do with new cats is shove the wand of
the toy in my waistband and just walk around the house with the feather
dragging behind me. When the cat looks at you, you are facing away from her
and are non threatening, but they can't seem to resist that dragging
feather.

<snip>

Hugs,

CatNipped

Lis
June 29th 07, 05:24 PM
On Jun 28, 4:40 pm, "
> wrote:
> > Usenet doesn't work like that, and the persons who starts a thread has
> > no special rights or powers when it comes to controlling the direction
> > of it. The conversation goes where it goes.
>
> > Lis
>
> That's fine but if any of you have ever posted online anywhere (forums
> particularly), one should be very familiar with the codes of conduct.
> When a thread is started of a particular topic and the topic
> disappears or turns into something else entirely, the thread is shut
> down. These people, and you, are becoming angry as far as I can tell
> and alls I need is some help with my freaking kittens.

This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup--not a web forum such as you
may be more familiar with. Topic drift happens all the time, and it's
especially likely when there's an existing community of regular
posters, and an emotionally charged event that has affected the
regulars recently.

And, really, it's not all that productive to _demand_ helpful
responses. Human beings, you may have noticed, can be almost as
perverse and stubborn as cats.

Lis

Charlie Wilkes
June 29th 07, 08:10 PM
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

> On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them
>> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy
>> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
>> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
>> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
>> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
>> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the
>> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
>> Australia.
>
> Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> protest before Charlie?

I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
will grant you.

> It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> not.
>
> I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?

No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.

>
> Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out
> in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
> is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
> deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> wouldn't either.

But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
right?

>
> If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,

No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,
i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.

>you are
> determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> agree with!
> ( all be they small issues)
>
> Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I
> had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> motive behind your comments?

See above.

Charlie

sheelagh
June 29th 07, 08:15 PM
On 28 Jun, 19:03, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 28 Jun, 18:04, "
>
> > wrote:
> > Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats.
> > Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere.
>
> Your right.
> This is neither the time nor the place to debate this issue.
> < Smile & chilling down fast, Lol>
>
> I offer my apologies for allowing this issue spill over into your
> post.
> I would like to hope that others do too!
>
> How did you get on @ the vets when you took Rofl & Beowulf the other
> day.
> I hope that it went well & that you had a possitive outcome, with good
> suggestions as to how to cope with Rofl's timidness?
>
> It would be interesting to hear what their advice was?
> Thank you,
> sheelagh
On 26 Jun, 13:26, "
> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 8:20 am, sheelagh > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 25 Jun, 19:43, "
>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Jun 25, 2:40 pm, "
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Hey thanks for the response!
> > > > I think you're right. She actually only seems to cry a lot when she's
> > > > left alone in the room. I think she's had people and other kittens
> > > > around her since her birth so being alone is very new to her. She only
> > > > eats when someone's in the room too. I wanted to show this video that
> > > > I took this morning of her eating. mind the poor quality (requires
> > > > QuickTime), but listen to the noise she makes when she eats! it's
> > > > adorable!
>
> > > oops, forgot to include the link!http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo22/90/f1/05ad02355cde.3gp...
>
> > The noise she is making is usually associated with an experience of
> > having to fight for her food. A *lot* of the kittens that we foster
> > make a similar noise to the one that your Kitty displays. Perhaps it
> > is possible that she is the runt of the litter and had to fight for
> > her food, or that someone has teased her in the past by taking her
> > food away from her??
>
> > Same as Bookie, I wouldn't be too concerned about her not wanting to
> > come out just yet. I have also had a Ragdoll adult who displayed the
> > same behavior when we first got him. It took a couple of weeks for him
> > to decide that we could be trusted. All he ever came out for was to
> > use the cat litter in the same room as him, & eat and drink too.
>
> > The very fact that she trust you enough to come out & eat in your
> > presence, is enough for the first couple of weeks. However, if it
> > continues for more than 3weeks or so, it might be worth taking her to
> > see a vet who might be able to give you advice regarding this matter.
> > Remember, she is only a small baby & this is the first time that she
> > has ever left home and is probably lonely and frightened.
>
> > I have a feeling that the best solution to this problem, might be to
> > get another kitten from a rescue centre perhaps if this is
> > possible? :o)
>
> > It would solve her loneliness and you would be giving a kitty/ cat the
> > one thing they don't have @ a shelter, which is a Future.
> > Unfortunately, so many are killed every where & all they require is
> > love, injections and feeding, & they will repay you a thousand
> > fold....
> > ( And this advice is coming from an ex breeder of Birmans and Ragdolls
> > by the way!!)
>
> > She looks lovely by the way. I hope that she brings you love and Joy,
> > & It would be really nice if you kept in touch with us to let us know
> > how she is doing please?
> > Many thanx,
> > Sheelagh
>
> Thanks for the kind response :)
> Oh that's good to hear about the eating thing, i had a feeling it was
> something like that.


On 29 Jun, 15:46, "
> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 10:30 am, "CatNipped" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> > > Meanwhile.......
> > > things have kinda taken a turn for the worse with the kittens.
>
> > > See, Beowulf is the excited, exploratory kind of tomcat, who will jump
> > > on anything, play with you whenever you want, let you touch/pet/hold
> > > him. Newly named Rofl (the scottish fold), is still as skittish as
> > > ever. She's been getting up, running around, having a blast with
> > > Beowulf; but it seems Beowulf is adopting her sense to run away
> > > whenever we go to touch him in any way.
> > > If you get too close to her, she'll immediately high-tail it for the
> > > bedroom down the hall and hang out under the very hard to access
> > > platform bed, until much later (usually a matter of hours), whereas
> > > Beowulf will just run from you until you give up, he won't even hide.
>
> > > I am tempted to keep them blocked off from the bedroom where it seems
> > > their safe haven is, if only to limit the number of hiding spaces they
> > > have to get away from us whenever they want.
> > > Beowulf I'm not too concerned about, he'll be fine...he's too
> > > adventurous and affectionate to not be. But Rofl...I have to chase her
> > > around sometimes to get her to let me pick her up and pet her for a
> > > while. She still struggles while being pet; I even had her in my lap
> > > for a good 30 minutes straight the other night, she tried to get away
> > > probably once a minute, every minute, for 30 minutes. Does this mean
> > > she isn't a lapcat or am I expecting too much, considering we've only
> > > had them 4 days?
>
> > > She just basically doesn't want to be touched, held, or pet...yet. She
> > > will immediately bolt for a safe spot so she doesn't have to deal with
> > > it. I can't in good conscience let her run away every time someone
> > > wants to be physical with her.
> > > She doesn't whine or cry any more when we're not around, so that's
> > > progress.
>
> > You'll never, ever, ever get a cat to come to you if you forcibly restrain
> > her. Cats are notoriously independent and form an aversion to people who
> > try to bend them to their will. And it you take away their hiding place
> > they will only become more and more skittish and afraid - they need that
> > save haven in order to feel confident enough to explore (which, at first) is
> > usally done at night while you're sleeping). Perversly, the best way to get
> > a cat to come to you is to totally ignore them (that's actually correct
> > etiquette in cat body language - just watch how two cats interact, how they
> > turn their faces away from each other). 4 days is nowhere near long enough
> > for a cat's introduction to a new home. It usually takes upwards of two
> > weeks, but should always go at the cat's pace, not yours.
>
> > HTH, HAND
>
> > Hugs,
>
> > CatNipped
>
> Finally, some helpful words. Thank you. I've been doing just that,
> even before you mentioned it. Sometimes I can be really impatient and
> I wasn't sure what would be considered acceptable with kittens in this
> respect. I've never had a kitten before, so mind me. I'm just going to
> continue ignoring her and hope that she comes around.
> Thanks again.
> I hope the rest of you can settle your tension in a healthy fashion;
> it's pretty sick what you guys are getting into with this
> conversation. With such complete disregard for any other people (and
> concerned people such as myself). You shouldn't even be on the
> internet. Go outside and argue with a fire hydrant, it'll probably be
> more willing to deal with your BS than anyone on the internet will.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I will definately bare that in mind for the future.

On 28 Jun, 19:03, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 28 Jun, 18:04, "
>
> > wrote:
> > Wow, wtf are you guys talking about? I thought this was about my cats.
> > Chill out, take this conversation elsewhere.
>
> Your right.
> This is neither the time nor the place to debate this issue.
> < Smile & chilling down fast, Lol>
>
> I offer my apologies for allowing this issue spill over into your
> post.
> I would like to hope that others do too!

I am genuinely sorry that you feel this way as you have already
seen....

I will definately bare that in mind for the future.

I very much hope that Rofl & Beowulf will sort out their differences

Cat Nipped has provided excellent advice, & I hope that you heed it
because it will work. You have only to think of it from a cat's point
of view to see that she is spot on. If this is your 1st cat, then you
did the right thing by coming to the place where you will get the good
advice that you need.

I wish you all the best with your new slave drivers & look forward to
more instalments on the life and times of Rofl & Beowulf
Sheelagh

Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-don
June 29th 07, 09:09 PM
On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.

**definitely**
**bear**

Don't you have a spellchecker?

sheelagh
June 29th 07, 09:16 PM
On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
> > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them
> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy
> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the
> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
> >> Australia.
>
> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> > protest before Charlie?
>
> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
> will grant you.
>
> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> > not.
>
> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
>
>
> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out
> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> > wouldn't either.
>
> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
> right?
>
>
>
> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,
> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>
> >you are
> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> > agree with!
> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I
> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> > motive behind your comments?
>
> See above.
>
> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

<SIGH>

> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> > protest before Charlie?
>
> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
> will grant you.

Thank you!
You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.


I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
here, on you.


I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
*my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..

I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
still have Ringo.

Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
simply isn't how I would deal with it.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!

You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
happen?

Of course it wouldn't!!

Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?

> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> > not.
You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread

> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>
> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out
> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> > wouldn't either.
>
> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
> right?
No, you said "right"?

It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
I hate confrontation.
I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
for.
Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
dearly wish to calm down?
Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?

<because that is how I felt @ the time>


If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
in particular.
>
>
> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,

I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
reason..
What would you think?
Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
position...

( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
your ridicule)

> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
Why say this?
How uncalled for is that?
Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
I think not.

*Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
such?

I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
judgment & a reasonable character.
What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?

Have you never made a mistake?

I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
I do for you, or them?

How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.

> >you are
> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> > agree with!
> > ( all be they small issues)

Perhaps I am wrong?
Please tell me that I am not?

> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I
> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> > motive behind your comments?

I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
humour?
> See above.

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 09:32 PM
"Johann
Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"
> wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
>> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>
> **definitely**
> **bear**
>
> Don't you have a spellchecker?

ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police!

Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 09:34 PM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them
>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy
>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>>
>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the
>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
>> >> Australia.
>>
>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
>> > protest before Charlie?
>>
>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
>> will grant you.
>>
>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
>> > not.
>>
>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>
>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
>> > out
>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>> > wouldn't either.
>>
>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
>> right?
>>
>>
>>
>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>
>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,
>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>>
>> >you are
>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>> > agree with!
>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>
>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If
>> > I
>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
>> > motive behind your comments?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> <SIGH>
>
>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
>> > protest before Charlie?
>>
>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
>> will grant you.
>
> Thank you!
> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>
>
> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
> here, on you.
>
>
> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..

The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't resist!
;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
> still have Ringo.
>
> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>
> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>
> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
> happen?
>
> Of course it wouldn't!!
>
> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>
>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
>> > not.
> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>
>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>
>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>
> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>>
>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
>> > out
>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>> > wouldn't either.
>>
>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
>> right?
> No, you said "right"?
>
> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
> I hate confrontation.
> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
> for.
> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
> dearly wish to calm down?
> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>
> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>
>
> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
> in particular.
>>
>>
>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>
>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,
>
> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> reason..
> What would you think?
> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
> position...
>
> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
> your ridicule)
>
>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
> Why say this?
> How uncalled for is that?
> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
> I think not.
>
> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
> such?
>
> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
> judgment & a reasonable character.
> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>
> Have you never made a mistake?
>
> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
> I do for you, or them?
>
> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>
>> >you are
>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>> > agree with!
>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> Perhaps I am wrong?
> Please tell me that I am not?
>
>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If
>> > I
>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
> humour?
>> See above.
>

Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-don
June 29th 07, 09:34 PM
On Jun 29, 4:32 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "Johann
> > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>
> > **definitely**
> > **bear**
>
> > Don't you have a spellchecker?
>
> ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police!
>
> Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

Did anyone ask *you* anything?
Sit the **** down and shut up until I tell you to speak.

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 09:39 PM
"Johann
Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"
> wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jun 29, 4:32 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "Johann
> >
> wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>
> > **definitely**
> > **bear**
>
> > Don't you have a spellchecker?
>
> ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police!
>
> Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

Did anyone ask *you* anything?
Sit the **** down and shut up until I tell you to speak.

========================================

ROTFLMAO! Go enroll in "Trolling 101" and while you're there teach your
grandma to suck eggs! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 09:42 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote in message
...
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>>
>>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them
>>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy
>>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>>>
>>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
>>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
>>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
>>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the
>>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
>>> >> Australia.
>>>
>>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
>>> > protest before Charlie?
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
>>> will grant you.
>>>
>>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
>>> > not.
>>>
>>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>>
>>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
>>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
>>> > out
>>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
>>> > necks
>>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
>>> > should
>>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>>> > wouldn't either.
>>>
>>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
>>> right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>>
>>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>>> respond,
>>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>>>
>>> >you are
>>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
>>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
>>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>>> > agree with!
>>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>>
>>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If
>>> > I
>>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
>>> > motive behind your comments?
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> <SIGH>
>>
>>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
>>> > protest before Charlie?
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
>>> will grant you.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>>
>>
>> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
>> here, on you.
>>
>>
>> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
>> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
>> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
>> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
>> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>
> The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't
> resist! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someone's typo when you make your own!
Let's try this again...

They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I
love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
>>
>> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
>> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
>> still have Ringo.
>>
>> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
>> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
>> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
>> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>>
>> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>>
>> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
>> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
>> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
>> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
>> happen?
>>
>> Of course it wouldn't!!
>>
>> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>>
>>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
>>> > not.
>> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>>
>>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>>
>>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
>>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>>
>> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>>>
>>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
>>> > out
>>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
>>> > necks
>>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
>>> > should
>>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>>> > wouldn't either.
>>>
>>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
>>> right?
>> No, you said "right"?
>>
>> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
>> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
>> I hate confrontation.
>> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
>> for.
>> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
>> dearly wish to calm down?
>> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>>
>> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>>
>>
>> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
>> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
>> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
>> in particular.
>>>
>>>
>>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>>
>>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>>> respond,
>>
>> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
>> reason..
>> What would you think?
>> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
>> position...
>>
>> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
>> your ridicule)
>>
>>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>> Why say this?
>> How uncalled for is that?
>> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
>> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
>> I think not.
>>
>> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
>> such?
>>
>> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
>> judgment & a reasonable character.
>> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>>
>> Have you never made a mistake?
>>
>> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
>> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
>> I do for you, or them?
>>
>> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
>> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
>> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>>
>>> >you are
>>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
>>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
>>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>>> > agree with!
>>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>
>> Perhaps I am wrong?
>> Please tell me that I am not?
>>
>>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If
>>> > I
>>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
>>> > motive behind your comments?
>>
>> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
>> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
>> humour?
>>> See above.
>>
>
>

Matthew
June 29th 07, 09:48 PM
"CatNipped" > wrote in message
...
> "Johann
> Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> On Jun 29, 4:32 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:
>> "Johann
>> >
>> wrote in message
>>
>> ps.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
>> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>>
>> > **definitely**
>> > **bear**
>>
>> > Don't you have a spellchecker?
>>
>> ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police!
>>
>> Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;>
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> CatNipped
>
> Did anyone ask *you* anything?
> Sit the **** down and shut up until I tell you to speak.
>
> ========================================
>
> ROTFLMAO! Go enroll in "Trolling 101" and while you're there teach your
> grandma to suck eggs! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
>


Hell Yeah!1 there is the Catnip I love ;-) Go get him girl

CatNipped[_2_]
June 29th 07, 10:00 PM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Johann
>> Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> On Jun 29, 4:32 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:
>>> "Johann
>>> >
>>> wrote in message
>>>
>>> ps.com...
>>>
>>> > On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
>>> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>>> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>>>
>>> > **definitely**
>>> > **bear**
>>>
>>> > Don't you have a spellchecker?
>>>
>>> ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police!
>>>
>>> Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;>
>>>
>>> Hugs,
>>>
>>> CatNipped
>>
>> Did anyone ask *you* anything?
>> Sit the **** down and shut up until I tell you to speak.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>> ROTFLMAO! Go enroll in "Trolling 101" and while you're there teach your
>> grandma to suck eggs! ;>
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> CatNipped
>>
>
>
> Hell Yeah!1 there is the Catnip I love ;-) Go get him girl

LOL, it has been a while, hasn't it? I guess life has finally let up on me
enough lately for me to get back into the swing of things (and I'm ready to
take a swing at un-droll trollers again)! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

Matthew
June 29th 07, 10:19 PM
"CatNipped" >

That troll has been around for a little while. I kill filed it and a few
others awhile ago when I saw how they were acting. Now sometimes I think I
want to troll hunt again. I realize how boring they become and how lame
their comments end up being. There has not been a good troll in a
long time. They end being like an remake of an old Simpson episode when
they were on the In living color show.

First sign of a boring troll or an anal retentive [email protected]@hole is that they
point out grammar mistakes.

bookie
June 29th 07, 10:20 PM
On 29 Jun, 09:28, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:16:34 -0700, bookie wrote:
> > On 28 Jun, 07:11, Charlie Wilkes >
> > wrote:
> >> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:39 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> >> > tell me when they are actually in the process of moving out of their
> >> > house and I will happily come round and throw eggs at them, run them
> >> > out of town inthe old-fashioned way, maybe a burning tyre round the
> >> > neck for the kids?
>
> >> > i still hope they burn in hell, even if they are moving out.
>
> >> Hmmmm. Have you ever heard of the MMPI, Bookie? Its a personality
> >> test, consisting of several hundred true/false items, often taken while
> >> wearing blue pajamas and paper slippers. You might look into it, as a
> >> way of learning more about yourself.
>
> >> Charlie
> > i know myself very well thank you, and i know i do not need to resort to
> > nasty sly little comments such as this one form you to feel good about
> > myself
>
> What do you expect? I've been reading your posts for several months.
> You are intelligent and much of what you write is good common sense.
> But, at the same time, it's hard not to notice that violent/morbid
> fantasies are a recurring theme with you, one that goes well beyond what
> I would consider normal. It piques my curiosity the same way a car
> accident might.
>
> Here are some pictures that show what happens when someone has a burning
> tire put around their neck:
>
> http://www.africancrisis.org/photos11.asp
>
> Is this something you'd like to bring into your life?
>
> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

not mine but maybe someone else then maybe they would not continue to
harm innocent little kitties

bookie
June 29th 07, 10:26 PM
On 29 Jun, 22:00, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "Matthew" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "CatNipped" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Johann
> >> Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger*-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-hor*owitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-"
> >> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >> On Jun 29, 4:32 pm, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> >>> "Johann
> >>> >
> >>> wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> >>> > On Jun 29, 3:15 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
> >>> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
> >>> >> I will definately bare that in mind for the future.
>
> >>> > **definitely**
> >>> > **bear**
>
> >>> > Don't you have a spellchecker?
>
> >>> ALERT, ALERT ! Spell-check police!
>
> >>> Pointing out typos, the weapon of choice for the lamer flamer! ;>
>
> >>> Hugs,
>
> >>> CatNipped
>
> >> Did anyone ask *you* anything?
> >> Sit the **** down and shut up until I tell you to speak.
>
> >> ========================================
>
> >> ROTFLMAO! Go enroll in "Trolling 101" and while you're there teach your
> >> grandma to suck eggs! ;>
>
> >> Hugs,
>
> >> CatNipped
>
> > Hell Yeah!1 there is the Catnip I love ;-) Go get him girl
>
> LOL, it has been a while, hasn't it? I guess life has finally let up on me
> enough lately for me to get back into the swing of things (and I'm ready to
> take a swing at un-droll trollers again)! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ignore him, he hasn't actually bothered to give any decent advice to
this OP, unlike most other people, so he ain't worth worrying about,
he is just a little ****

bookie
June 29th 07, 10:34 PM
On 29 Jun, 21:16, sheelagh > wrote:
> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
> > > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> > >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them
> > >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy
> > >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
> > >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> > >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> > >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
> > >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the
> > >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
> > >> Australia.
>
> > > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> > > protest before Charlie?
>
> > I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> > violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
> > will grant you.
>
> > > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> > > not.
>
> > > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> > > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> > > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> > No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
> > the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> > > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out
> > > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
> > > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
> > > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> > > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> > > wouldn't either.
>
> > But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
> > right?
>
> > > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> > No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,
> > i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>
> > >you are
> > > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> > > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> > > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> > > agree with!
> > > ( all be they small issues)
>
> > > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I
> > > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> > > motive behind your comments?
>
> > See above.
>
> > Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> <SIGH>
>
> > > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> > > protest before Charlie?
>
> > I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> > violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
> > will grant you.
>
> Thank you!
> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>
> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
> here, on you.
>
> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>
> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
> still have Ringo.
>
> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>
> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>
> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
> happen?
>
> Of course it wouldn't!!
>
> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>
> > > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> > > not.
>
> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>
> > > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> > > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> > > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> > No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
> > the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>
> > > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point out
> > > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples necks
> > > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I should
> > > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> > > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> > > wouldn't either.
>
> > But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
> > right?
>
> No, you said "right"?
>
> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
> I hate confrontation.
> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
> for.
> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
> dearly wish to calm down?
> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>
> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>
> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
> in particular.
>
>
>
> > > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> > No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will respond,
>
> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> reason..
> What would you think?
> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
> position...
>
> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
> your ridicule)
>
> > i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>
> Why say this?
> How uncalled for is that?
> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
> I think not.
>
> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
> such?
>
> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
> judgment & a reasonable character.
> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>
> Have you never made a mistake?
>
> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
> I do for you, or them?
>
> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>
> > >you are
> > > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> > > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> > > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> > > agree with!
> > > ( all be they small issues)
>
> Perhaps I am wrong?
> Please tell me that I am not?
>
> > > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If I
> > > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> > > motive behind your comments?
>
> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
> humour?
>
>
>
> > See above.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i couldn't be bothered to read all of this but bits I did read which
caught my eye were the commenst about sheelagh feeling as though she
was to blame for what happened to ringo and I can assure her that she
is not to blame at all, how could she be? I know you will feel guilt
and anger at what happened and if you feel anger towards the nasty
vicious kids who did it then that is nothing to feel ashamed of or
apologise for either, it is natural to feel such anger after a loved
one has been hurt so badly. I would think it unnatural if you did not
feel any anger towards those kids or pleasure that the family are
having such a hard time of it now, to em it is completely
understandable.

as for anything I say about what i woudl like to do to those kids htne
that is my business, and anything charlie have you never heard of the
cathartic effect?

Charlie Wilkes
June 29th 07, 10:34 PM
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:16:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>>
>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>> respond,
>
> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> reason..

Sheelagh, I don't want to ruin your day and I'm sorry if I have done so.
My point is that your dialog with Bookie is ridiculous, and I hold myself
free to comment accordingly.

At the same time, I understand why you feel caught in the middle, because
Bookie is the one whose comments are so far over the top that I have to
wonder if she isn't a bit psychotic. Your responses, as you suggest, are
aimed at humoring her while also steering the dialog back toward
something more aligned with reality. I can see all that. But I can also
see that this problem will recur because neither you nor Bookie is likely
to change stripes.

As for how you have handled the situation with Ringo, I can only
applaud. Clearly you have done your utmost to provide him with a
pleasant and healthy environment that includes secure access to the
outdoors. I have no doubt that any cat would be lucky to find itself in
your care, particularly now that you have learned the importance of not
allowing your cats to roam the neighborhood unsupervised.

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes
June 29th 07, 10:51 PM
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:34:22 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> as for anything I say about what i woudl like to do to those kids htne
> that is my business, and anything charlie have you never heard of the
> cathartic effect?

Sure, but catharsis involves an unburdening, and that's not what is
happening here, is it? Each time you revisit Ringo's misfortune, your
tone becomes angrier and your fantasies more violent.

Charlie

sheelagh
June 30th 07, 01:53 AM
On 29 Jun, 21:42, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick them
> >>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can buy
> >>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
> >>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> >>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> >>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
> >>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if the
> >>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
> >>> >> Australia.
>
> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>
> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
> >>> will grant you.
>
> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> >>> > not.
>
> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
> >>> > out
> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
> >>> > necks
> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
> >>> > should
> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> >>> > wouldn't either.
>
> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
> >>> right?
>
> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >>> respond,
> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
>
> >>> >you are
> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> >>> > agree with!
> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If
> >>> > I
> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> >>> See above.
>
> >>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> <SIGH>
>
> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means of
> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>
> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that I
> >>> will grant you.
>
> >> Thank you!
> >> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>
> >> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
> >> here, on you.
>
> >> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
> >> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
> >> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
> >> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
> >> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>
> > The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't
> > resist! ;>
>
> > Hugs,
>
> > CatNipped
>
> ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someones typo when you make your own!
> Let's try this again...
>
> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I
> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
>
>
>
>
>
> >> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
> >> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
> >> still have Ringo.
>
> >> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
> >> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
> >> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
> >> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>
> >> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>
> >> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
> >> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
> >> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
> >> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
> >> happen?
>
> >> Of course it wouldn't!!
>
> >> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>
> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would appear
> >>> > not.
> >> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>
> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary with
> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> >> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>
> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you* point
> >>> > out
> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
> >>> > necks
> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
> >>> > should
> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> >>> > wouldn't either.
>
> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten eggs,
> >>> right?
> >> No, you said "right"?
>
> >> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
> >> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
> >> I hate confrontation.
> >> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
> >> for.
> >> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
> >> dearly wish to calm down?
> >> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>
> >> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>
> >> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
> >> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
> >> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
> >> in particular.
>
> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >>> respond,
>
> >> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> >> reason..
> >> What would you think?
> >> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
> >> position...
>
> >> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
> >> your ridicule)
>
> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic buffoon.
> >> Why say this?
> >> How uncalled for is that?
> >> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
> >> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
> >> I think not.
>
> >> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
> >> such?
>
> >> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
> >> judgment & a reasonable character.
> >> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>
> >> Have you never made a mistake?
>
> >> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
> >> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
> >> I do for you, or them?
>
> >> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
> >> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
> >> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>
> >>> >you are
> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your derogatory
> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided becoming
> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> >>> > agree with!
> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> >> Perhaps I am wrong?
> >> Please tell me that I am not?
>
> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over. If
> >>> > I
> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain your
> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> >> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
> >> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
> >> humour?
> >>> See above.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -







> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now>
>You know I
> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.

No reason @ all to duck n dive.. ROFLMAO

<VERY WIDE GRIN & GIGGLE TOO>

I'm simply delighted to see / hear you laughing again.

You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have
been through recently, it is like music to my ears.....

I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell
checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to
pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't
imagine why, can you? LOL;o)

I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As
Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes
me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..?

<splitting my sides laughing>

Have all of the fun you want, & go for it girl .
I'm more than certain that you will have the time of your life with
this one..

Enjoy my dear,
sheelagh

Matthew
June 30th 07, 02:06 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On 29 Jun, 21:42, "CatNipped" > wrote:
>> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>> ps.com...
>> >> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick
>> >>> >> > them
>> >>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can
>> >>> >> > buy
>> >>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>>
>> >>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
>> >>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
>> >>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
>> >>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
>> >>> >> Australia.
>>
>> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>>
>> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
>> >>> I
>> >>> will grant you.
>>
>> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
>> >>> > appear
>> >>> > not.
>>
>> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>
>> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
>> >>> with
>> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>
>> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
>> >>> > point
>> >>> > out
>> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
>> >>> > necks
>> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
>> >>> > should
>> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>> >>> > wouldn't either.
>>
>> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
>> >>> eggs,
>> >>> right?
>>
>> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>
>> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>> >>> respond,
>> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
>> >>> buffoon.
>>
>> >>> >you are
>> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
>> >>> > derogatory
>> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
>> >>> > becoming
>> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>> >>> > agree with!
>> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>
>> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > I
>> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>>
>> >>> See above.
>>
>> >>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> <SIGH>
>>
>> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>>
>> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
>> >>> I
>> >>> will grant you.
>>
>> >> Thank you!
>> >> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>>
>> >> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
>> >> here, on you.
>>
>> >> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
>> >> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
>> >> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
>> >> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
>> >> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>>
>> > The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't
>> > resist! ;>
>>
>> > Hugs,
>>
>> > CatNipped
>>
>> ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someones typo when you make your own!
>> Let's try this again...
>>
>> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I
>> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> CatNipped
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
>> >> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
>> >> still have Ringo.
>>
>> >> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
>> >> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
>> >> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
>> >> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>>
>> >> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>>
>> >> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
>> >> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
>> >> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
>> >> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
>> >> happen?
>>
>> >> Of course it wouldn't!!
>>
>> >> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>>
>> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
>> >>> > appear
>> >>> > not.
>> >> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>>
>> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>
>> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
>> >>> with
>> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>
>> >> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>>
>> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
>> >>> > point
>> >>> > out
>> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
>> >>> > necks
>> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
>> >>> > should
>> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>> >>> > wouldn't either.
>>
>> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
>> >>> eggs,
>> >>> right?
>> >> No, you said "right"?
>>
>> >> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
>> >> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
>> >> I hate confrontation.
>> >> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
>> >> for.
>> >> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
>> >> dearly wish to calm down?
>> >> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>>
>> >> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>>
>> >> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
>> >> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
>> >> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
>> >> in particular.
>>
>> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>
>> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>> >>> respond,
>>
>> >> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
>> >> reason..
>> >> What would you think?
>> >> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
>> >> position...
>>
>> >> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
>> >> your ridicule)
>>
>> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
>> >>> buffoon.
>> >> Why say this?
>> >> How uncalled for is that?
>> >> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
>> >> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
>> >> I think not.
>>
>> >> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
>> >> such?
>>
>> >> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
>> >> judgment & a reasonable character.
>> >> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>>
>> >> Have you never made a mistake?
>>
>> >> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
>> >> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
>> >> I do for you, or them?
>>
>> >> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
>> >> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
>> >> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>>
>> >>> >you are
>> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
>> >>> > derogatory
>> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
>> >>> > becoming
>> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>> >>> > agree with!
>> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>
>> >> Perhaps I am wrong?
>> >> Please tell me that I am not?
>>
>> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > I
>> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>>
>> >> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
>> >> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
>> >> humour?
>> >>> See above.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now>
>>You know I
>> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> No reason @ all to duck n dive.. ROFLMAO
>
> <VERY WIDE GRIN & GIGGLE TOO>
>
> I'm simply delighted to see / hear you laughing again.
>
> You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have
> been through recently, it is like music to my ears.....
>
> I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell
> checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to
> pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't
> imagine why, can you? LOL;o)
>
> I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As
> Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes
> me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..?


Ok Ok make and old man blush why don't you ;-)

<evil grin red faced>






> <splitting my sides laughing>
>
> Have all of the fun you want, & go for it girl .
> I'm more than certain that you will have the time of your life with
> this one..
>
> Enjoy my dear,
> sheelagh
>
>
>

cybercat
June 30th 07, 02:12 AM
"Matthew" > wrote
>
> Ok Ok make and old man blush why don't you ;-)
>
> <evil grin red faced>
>
Matthew, my darling, if ever one should snip it is when following
up the British Windbags.

:

sheelagh
June 30th 07, 02:49 AM
On 29 Jun, 22:34, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:16:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> > On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> > wrote:
>
> >> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >> respond,
>
> > I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> > reason..
>
> Sheelagh, I don't want to ruin your day and I'm sorry if I have done so.
> My point is that your dialog with Bookie is ridiculous, and I hold myself
> free to comment accordingly.
>
> At the same time, I understand why you feel caught in the middle, because
> Bookie is the one whose comments are so far over the top that I have to
> wonder if she isn't a bit psychotic. Your responses, as you suggest, are
> aimed at humoring her while also steering the dialog back toward
> something more aligned with reality. I can see all that. But I can also
> see that this problem will recur because neither you nor Bookie is likely
> to change stripes.
>
> As for how you have handled the situation with Ringo, I can only
> applaud. Clearly you have done your utmost to provide him with a
> pleasant and healthy environment that includes secure access to the
> outdoors. I have no doubt that any cat would be lucky to find itself in
> your care, particularly now that you have learned the importance of not
> allowing your cats to roam the neighborhood unsupervised.
>
> Charlie

> Sheelagh, I don't want to ruin your day and I'm sorry if I have done so.
> My point is that your dialog with Bookie is ridiculous, and I hold myself
> free to comment accordingly.
True.

That is OK. I never **bear/ bare** grudges or take bad feeling on
board, ever....
I see little gain in that @ all.

I'm Damned if I can remember the name of the character of the Wise old
Monkey in the Lion King. I'm sure someone will. After Banging Simba on
the head with a bloody good wallop, Simba asked why he did that?
To quote him, he said: It doesn't matter now, it is in the past, what
you need to do now is consider were & what you do from now....An
excellent quote & one that I have never forgotten because I feel it is
true....

> At the same time, I understand why you feel caught in the middle, because
> Bookie is the one whose comments are so far over the top that I have to
> wonder if she isn't a bit psychotic. Your responses, as you suggest, are
> aimed at humoring her while also steering the dialog back toward
> something more aligned with reality. I can see all that. But I can also
> see that this problem will recur because neither you nor Bookie is likely
> to change stripes.

(stripes?)
I don't condone violence....
I would hate for this situation to continue, truely.

This will continue to be open to debate for sometime no doubt.
I completely understand her outrage Charlie. What happened wasn't
normal behaviour from a young man. I have 3 sons, who all have
differing views on life, but not one of them can even begin to
understand why they chose to use Ringo as target practise.

I took on board every comment you made Charlie, & I agree with you.
The only reason it pained me to agree with you to start with, is
because life seemed perfect for our cats before this happened to
Ringo. It was a life changing experience & one I still feel guilt
over. Possibly with time, I will get used to this way of life. I guess
It takes time to adjust?

I took away their liberty, & it is that alone that I feel guilty
about. The cats don't seem to mind, so I would imagine I will get used
to it sooner than I envisage?

Each boy has their own way of dealing with it, & out of three of them,
only one is still intent on dishing out a good slap in the ear hole-
This one is Ross, who also happens to be the pacifist of the 3 of them
in general terms. But, then again, he is also the one boy who bonded
immeditately with Ringo & found him on his side in the meadow.

I have to ask myself. Is it wrong for him to feel this way?

Probably!

And I wouldn't encourage him, because ultimately, he will get into
trouble with the police for laying hands on him.( which also feels
wrong!)

After all, when you come down to it, he is only stooping to their
level, it won't achieve anything, other than to unload a bit of
retained anger, stress & emotion.
It won't reverse what happened, yet @ the same time, I would be lying
to you if I told you that I would be outraged @ his behaviour if he
did choose to give him a good ear pulling. In fact, I would actually
feel sympathetic/empathetic.

Does this make me a bad person too?
This is the million dollar question, isn't it?

> As for how you have handled the situation with Ringo, I can only
> applaud. Clearly you have done your utmost to provide him with a
> pleasant and healthy environment that includes secure access to the
> outdoors. I have no doubt that any cat would be lucky to find itself in
> your care, particularly now that you have learned the importance of not
> allowing your cats to roam the neighborhood unsupervised.

Thank you for that. I have done my best to make sure that all of the
cats can enjoy my garden as much as we do. I take them to the meadow
in pairs, where they can get burlap's in their fur, roll in the dust
& weeds, & generally make themselves look more like army cats in
combat colours, than feline family...
( I am certain they do it on purpose just for the grooming following
it)

Again, I still feel ****ed off that they can't follow me there like
they used to, but that is history now. I can't deal with the *what ifs
anymore. it's done; it's over. They have runs for when I can't be
around, & they have access to indoors when they wish to come in. It's
the best I can do & they *seem happy* with the idea as far as I can
tell. ( we have had no escapee's to contend with thus far)
Through dreadful experience, I am forced to agree with you. They are
as safe as I can make life for them.

The only thing that I am struggling with, is interpreting the law
regarding someone shooting them in my garden from a surrounding house.
I can't be certain if this is legal, or illegal. I am trying to
research it now. As you know, I am not that brill when it comes to
doing searches as yet, & I am still seeking the answer. If they can,
what a chilling thought that would be?!!!
Sheelagh

CatNipped
June 30th 07, 02:51 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On 29 Jun, 21:42, "CatNipped" > wrote:
>> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>> ps.com...
>> >> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick
>> >>> >> > them
>> >>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can
>> >>> >> > buy
>> >>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>>
>> >>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
>> >>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
>> >>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
>> >>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
>> >>> >> Australia.
>>
>> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>>
>> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
>> >>> I
>> >>> will grant you.
>>
>> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
>> >>> > appear
>> >>> > not.
>>
>> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>
>> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
>> >>> with
>> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>
>> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
>> >>> > point
>> >>> > out
>> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
>> >>> > necks
>> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
>> >>> > should
>> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>> >>> > wouldn't either.
>>
>> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
>> >>> eggs,
>> >>> right?
>>
>> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>
>> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>> >>> respond,
>> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
>> >>> buffoon.
>>
>> >>> >you are
>> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
>> >>> > derogatory
>> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
>> >>> > becoming
>> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>> >>> > agree with!
>> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>
>> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > I
>> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>>
>> >>> See above.
>>
>> >>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> <SIGH>
>>
>> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>>
>> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
>> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
>> >>> I
>> >>> will grant you.
>>
>> >> Thank you!
>> >> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>>
>> >> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
>> >> here, on you.
>>
>> >> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
>> >> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
>> >> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
>> >> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
>> >> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>>
>> > The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't
>> > resist! ;>
>>
>> > Hugs,
>>
>> > CatNipped
>>
>> ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someones typo when you make your own!
>> Let's try this again...
>>
>> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I
>> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> CatNipped
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
>> >> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
>> >> still have Ringo.
>>
>> >> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
>> >> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
>> >> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
>> >> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>>
>> >> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>>
>> >> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
>> >> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
>> >> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
>> >> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
>> >> happen?
>>
>> >> Of course it wouldn't!!
>>
>> >> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>>
>> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
>> >>> > appear
>> >>> > not.
>> >> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>>
>> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
>> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
>> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>>
>> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
>> >>> with
>> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>>
>> >> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>>
>> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
>> >>> > point
>> >>> > out
>> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
>> >>> > necks
>> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
>> >>> > should
>> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
>> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
>> >>> > wouldn't either.
>>
>> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
>> >>> eggs,
>> >>> right?
>> >> No, you said "right"?
>>
>> >> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
>> >> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
>> >> I hate confrontation.
>> >> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
>> >> for.
>> >> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
>> >> dearly wish to calm down?
>> >> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>>
>> >> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>>
>> >> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
>> >> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
>> >> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
>> >> in particular.
>>
>> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>>
>> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>> >>> respond,
>>
>> >> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
>> >> reason..
>> >> What would you think?
>> >> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
>> >> position...
>>
>> >> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
>> >> your ridicule)
>>
>> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
>> >>> buffoon.
>> >> Why say this?
>> >> How uncalled for is that?
>> >> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
>> >> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
>> >> I think not.
>>
>> >> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
>> >> such?
>>
>> >> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
>> >> judgment & a reasonable character.
>> >> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>>
>> >> Have you never made a mistake?
>>
>> >> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
>> >> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
>> >> I do for you, or them?
>>
>> >> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
>> >> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
>> >> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>>
>> >>> >you are
>> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
>> >>> > derogatory
>> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
>> >>> > becoming
>> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
>> >>> > agree with!
>> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>>
>> >> Perhaps I am wrong?
>> >> Please tell me that I am not?
>>
>> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
>> >>> > If
>> >>> > I
>> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>>
>> >> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
>> >> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
>> >> humour?
>> >>> See above.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now>
>>You know I
>> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> No reason @ all to duck n dive.. ROFLMAO
>
> <VERY WIDE GRIN & GIGGLE TOO>
>
> I'm simply delighted to see / hear you laughing again.
>
> You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have
> been through recently, it is like music to my ears.....

Thank you so much Sheelagh! For a while there I didn't think I would ever
laugh again.

>
> I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell
> checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to
> pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't
> imagine why, can you? LOL;o)

It just *SO* tickles me when some kid first discovers UseNet and then
discovers the thrill of "anonymously" shooting barbs and trolling. They
think they are so original and witty and that the trite "come-backs" they're
using have not been used a million times before by their elders. It's kind
of like watching kittens "kill" a feather teaser, gracelessly jumping and
flailing around and the whole time thinking they are deadly killing
machines!! ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

>
> I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As
> Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes
> me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..?
>
> <splitting my sides laughing>
>
> Have all of the fun you want, & go for it girl .
> I'm more than certain that you will have the time of your life with
> this one..
>
> Enjoy my dear,
> sheelagh
>
>
>

sheelagh
June 30th 07, 03:37 AM
On 30 Jun, 02:51, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On 29 Jun, 21:42, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> >> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> >> ps.com...
> >> >> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
> >> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >> >>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick
> >> >>> >> > them
> >> >>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can
> >> >>> >> > buy
> >> >>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
> >> >>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> >> >>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> >> >>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
> >> >>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
> >> >>> >> Australia.
>
> >> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
> >> >>> > of
> >> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>
> >> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> >> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> will grant you.
>
> >> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
> >> >>> > appear
> >> >>> > not.
>
> >> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> >> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> >> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> >> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> >> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
> >> >>> > point
> >> >>> > out
> >> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
> >> >>> > necks
> >> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
> >> >>> > should
> >> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> >> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> >> >>> > wouldn't either.
>
> >> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
> >> >>> eggs,
> >> >>> right?
>
> >> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> >> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >> >>> respond,
> >> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
> >> >>> buffoon.
>
> >> >>> >you are
> >> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
> >> >>> > derogatory
> >> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
> >> >>> > becoming
> >> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> >> >>> > agree with!
> >> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> >> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
> >> >>> > If
> >> >>> > I
> >> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
> >> >>> > your
> >> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> >> >>> See above.
>
> >> >>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> <SIGH>
>
> >> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
> >> >>> > of
> >> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>
> >> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> >> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> will grant you.
>
> >> >> Thank you!
> >> >> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>
> >> >> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
> >> >> here, on you.
>
> >> >> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
> >> >> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
> >> >> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
> >> >> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
> >> >> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>
> >> > The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't
> >> > resist! ;>
>
> >> > Hugs,
>
> >> > CatNipped
>
> >> ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someones typo when you make your own!
> >> Let's try this again...
>
> >> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I
> >> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> >> Hugs,
>
> >> CatNipped
>
> >> >> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
> >> >> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
> >> >> still have Ringo.
>
> >> >> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
> >> >> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
> >> >> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
> >> >> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>
> >> >> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>
> >> >> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
> >> >> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
> >> >> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
> >> >> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
> >> >> happen?
>
> >> >> Of course it wouldn't!!
>
> >> >> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>
> >> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
> >> >>> > appear
> >> >>> > not.
> >> >> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>
> >> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> >> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> >> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> >> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> >> >> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>
> >> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
> >> >>> > point
> >> >>> > out
> >> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
> >> >>> > necks
> >> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
> >> >>> > should
> >> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> >> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> >> >>> > wouldn't either.
>
> >> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
> >> >>> eggs,
> >> >>> right?
> >> >> No, you said "right"?
>
> >> >> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
> >> >> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
> >> >> I hate confrontation.
> >> >> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
> >> >> for.
> >> >> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
> >> >> dearly wish to calm down?
> >> >> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>
> >> >> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>
> >> >> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
> >> >> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
> >> >> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
> >> >> in particular.
>
> >> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> >> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >> >>> respond,
>
> >> >> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> >> >> reason..
> >> >> What would you think?
> >> >> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
> >> >> position...
>
> >> >> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
> >> >> your ridicule)
>
> >> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
> >> >>> buffoon.
> >> >> Why say this?
> >> >> How uncalled for is that?
> >> >> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
> >> >> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
> >> >> I think not.
>
> >> >> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
> >> >> such?
>
> >> >> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
> >> >> judgment & a reasonable character.
> >> >> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>
> >> >> Have you never made a mistake?
>
> >> >> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
> >> >> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
> >> >> I do for you, or them?
>
> >> >> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
> >> >> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
> >> >> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>
> >> >>> >you are
> >> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
> >> >>> > derogatory
> >> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
> >> >>> > becoming
> >> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> >> >>> > agree with!
> >> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> >> >> Perhaps I am wrong?
> >> >> Please tell me that I am not?
>
> >> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
> >> >>> > If
> >> >>> > I
> >> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
> >> >>> > your
> >> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> >> >> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
> >> >> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
> >> >> humour?
> >> >>> See above.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now>
> >>You know I
> >> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> > No reason @ all to duck n dive.. ROFLMAO
>
> > <VERY WIDE GRIN & GIGGLE TOO>
>
> > I'm simply delighted to see / hear you laughing again.
>
> > You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have
> > been through recently, it is like music to my ears.....
>
> Thank you so much Sheelagh! For a while there I didn't think I would ever
> laugh again.
>
>
>
> > I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell
> > checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to
> > pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't
> > imagine why, can you? LOL;o)
>
> It just *SO* tickles me when some kid first discovers UseNet and then
> discovers the thrill of "anonymously" shooting barbs and trolling. They
> think they are so original and witty and that the trite "come-backs" they're
> using have not been used a million times before by their elders. It's kind
> of like watching kittens "kill" a feather teaser, gracelessly jumping and
> flailing around and the whole time thinking they are deadly killing
> machines!! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
>
> > I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As
> > Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes
> > me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..?
>
> > <splitting my sides laughing>
>
> > Have all of the fun you want, & go for it girl .
> > I'm more than certain that you will have the time of your life with
> > this one..
>
> > Enjoy my dear,
> > sheelagh
> It just *SO* tickles me when some kid first discovers UseNet and then
> discovers the thrill of "anonymously" shooting barbs and trolling. They
> think they are so original and witty and that the trite "come-backs" they're
> using have not been used a million times before by their elders. It's kind
> of like watching kittens "kill" a feather teaser, gracelessly jumping and
> flailing around and the whole time thinking they are deadly killing
> machines!! ;>
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

This is somewhat true, & I have to admit that we are only emulating
our elders here.
That is how most kids learn, isn't it?

I wasn't trying to be original.
I was genuinely v. happy to see you smile
S;o)

sheelagh
June 30th 07, 03:52 AM
On 30 Jun, 02:06, "Matthew" > wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On 29 Jun, 21:42, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> >> "CatNipped" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > "sheelagh" > wrote in message
> >> ps.com...
> >> >> On 29 Jun, 20:10, Charlie Wilkes >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:47:16 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
> >> >>> > On 29 Jun, 00:13, Charlie Wilkes
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:33:59 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
>
> >> >>> >> > Personally, I feel the old method is still the best one. Stick
> >> >>> >> > them
> >> >>> >> > in the stocks in the middle of the Village green, where you can
> >> >>> >> > buy
> >> >>> >> > rotten eggs & tomatoes to pelt them with.
>
> >> >>> >> Good grief. You see, Sheelagh, this is why I think the U.K. is a
> >> >>> >> backwards culture... your years of glory are past, so you have a
> >> >>> >> nostalgia for the era when Brittania ruled the waves and petty
> >> >>> >> criminals were hanged for stealing a loaf of bread, or perhaps if
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> king intervened sent to a prison hulk to await transportation to
> >> >>> >> Australia.
>
> >> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
> >> >>> > of
> >> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>
> >> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> >> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> will grant you.
>
> >> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
> >> >>> > appear
> >> >>> > not.
>
> >> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> >> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> >> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> >> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> >> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
> >> >>> > point
> >> >>> > out
> >> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
> >> >>> > necks
> >> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
> >> >>> > should
> >> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> >> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> >> >>> > wouldn't either.
>
> >> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
> >> >>> eggs,
> >> >>> right?
>
> >> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> >> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >> >>> respond,
> >> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
> >> >>> buffoon.
>
> >> >>> >you are
> >> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
> >> >>> > derogatory
> >> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
> >> >>> > becoming
> >> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> >> >>> > agree with!
> >> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> >> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
> >> >>> > If
> >> >>> > I
> >> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
> >> >>> > your
> >> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> >> >>> See above.
>
> >> >>> Charlie- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> <SIGH>
>
> >> >>> > Have you never heard of people who prefer to use non violent means
> >> >>> > of
> >> >>> > protest before Charlie?
>
> >> >>> I'm not 100% convinced that pelting people with rotten eggs is non-
> >> >>> violent. It's less violent than a flaming tire around the neck, that
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> will grant you.
>
> >> >> Thank you!
> >> >> You might want to note that I didn't bring up burning tyres @ all.
>
> >> >> I see my attempts to make light of a horrible situation are wasted
> >> >> here, on you.
>
> >> >> I won't deny that I still feel outrage at what happened. I would be
> >> >> lying if I told you otherwise. I was trying to make light of a
> >> >> horrendous experience for which both Ringo and us too, went through by
> >> >> *my own fault*. I wasn't asking for your support or sympathy. It was
> >> >> a mistake, which is something all humans make.. they Er..
>
> >> > The Um too! <ducking and running> Sorry Sheelagh, I just couldn't
> >> > resist! ;>
>
> >> > Hugs,
>
> >> > CatNipped
>
> >> ACK! It's *SO* hard to make fun of someones typo when you make your own!
> >> Let's try this again...
>
> >> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now> You know I
> >> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> >> Hugs,
>
> >> CatNipped
>
> >> >> I have learnt by that terrible day, & do not see anything that I can
> >> >> do now that will change what happened. I only count myself lucky to
> >> >> still have Ringo.
>
> >> >> Perhaps my way of dealing with this whole issue is not what you find
> >> >> appropriate? However, I can assure you that all I was trying to get
> >> >> you to see, was that I don't feel that lowering myself to violence,
> >> >> simply isn't how I would deal with it.
>
> >> >> Actually, I wasn't thinking of how you personally, would feel at all!
>
> >> >> You were not here, you did not deal with the aftermath, & nor did you
> >> >> have to live with what happend either. If you think an attempt at
> >> >> satire is wholly inappropriate, then so be it.
> >> >> Do you seriously think in this day & age that this would actually
> >> >> happen?
>
> >> >> Of course it wouldn't!!
>
> >> >> Anyway, it is not for you to forgive, is it?
>
> >> >>> > It would seem not going by your last couple of posts, It would
> >> >>> > appear
> >> >>> > not.
> >> >> You have been gunning for me all the way through this thread
>
> >> >>> > I don't recall mentioning anything at all about glory years of any
> >> >>> > empire, let alone the British one?? Neither do I recall motioning
> >> >>> > criminals, pilfering, Kings or criminals being sent to Australia?
>
> >> >>> No. But you described a punishment that was roughly contemporary
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> the era of transportation beyond the seas, so I drew the connection.
>
> >> >> I see. But as it is not the case, then it is irrelevant, isn't it?
>
> >> >>> > Yes, that is how they dealt with petty criminals, But as *you*
> >> >>> > point
> >> >>> > out
> >> >>> > in your earlier post, putting burning rubber tyres around peoples
> >> >>> > necks
> >> >>> > is a pretty serious thing to do. If you think that this is how I
> >> >>> > should
> >> >>> > deal with the situation, then just say So. Personally, I understand
> >> >>> > Bookie's outrage, but I couldn't do something like that myself &
> >> >>> > wouldn't either.
>
> >> >>> But you would like to put them in stocks and pelt them with rotten
> >> >>> eggs,
> >> >>> right?
> >> >> No, you said "right"?
>
> >> >> It is inappropriate, & would never happen at all.
> >> >> I was trying to calm a volatile situation down.
> >> >> I hate confrontation.
> >> >> I am upset by your remarks which I honestly feel are unjust, uncalled
> >> >> for.
> >> >> Have you never been caught in the middle of a situation that you would
> >> >> dearly wish to calm down?
> >> >> Have you ever felt the need to stop friends arguing?
>
> >> >> <because that is how I felt @ the time>
>
> >> >> If I had said Sod you, & called you a few choice names, then I would
> >> >> see where this attack is coming from. But, I haven't; I never have, &
> >> >> never thought I would have to defend myself or explain myself to you
> >> >> in particular.
>
> >> >>> > If anything, I don't think it would matter what I said,
>
> >> >>> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
> >> >>> respond,
>
> >> >> I would like to think you are correct, but after this attack for no
> >> >> reason..
> >> >> What would you think?
> >> >> Please do read your own remarks back to yourself & put yourself in my
> >> >> position...
>
> >> >> ( I certainly don't understand why you are treating me as an object of
> >> >> your ridicule)
>
> >> >>> i.e., whether I will take you seriously or treat you as a comic
> >> >>> buffoon.
> >> >> Why say this?
> >> >> How uncalled for is that?
> >> >> Did I tell you that it was appropriate to leave your cat next to a
> >> >> storm drain, or that we don't have that sort of problem over here?
> >> >> I think not.
>
> >> >> *Since when have I ever given you reason personally to treat me as
> >> >> such?
>
> >> >> I thought you were a decent man who saw things as they are, with fair
> >> >> judgment & a reasonable character.
> >> >> What have I ever done to you to attack me in this fashion?
>
> >> >> Have you never made a mistake?
>
> >> >> I feel that I have taken every possible care to ensure that this
> >> >> situation never reoccurs to any of my cats again, ever. What more can
> >> >> I do for you, or them?
>
> >> >> How can you judge me by how other people feel, because this is where
> >> >> this came from? I have no control over how other people feel. It is
> >> >> rather like shooting the messenger that brings you bad news.
>
> >> >>> >you are
> >> >>> > determined to try and make me rise to the bait about your
> >> >>> > derogatory
> >> >>> > remarks about the the British & the UK, which I have avoided
> >> >>> > becoming
> >> >>> > entangles with, because some of the things that you say, I actually
> >> >>> > agree with!
> >> >>> > ( all be they small issues)
>
> >> >> Perhaps I am wrong?
> >> >> Please tell me that I am not?
>
> >> >>> > Please don't pull me into something that I have made no issue over.
> >> >>> > If
> >> >>> > I
> >> >>> > had, I would understand why, but I haven't. so, please do explain
> >> >>> > your
> >> >>> > motive behind your comments?
>
> >> >> I still don't see the motive behind this very personal attack, or the
> >> >> comments either, other than to make me the butt of your personal
> >> >> humour?
> >> >>> See above.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> They Um too! And they Uh!! <really ducking and running now>
> >>You know I
> >> love you Sheelagh, I'm just in a facetious mood this afternoon.
>
> > No reason @ all to duck n dive.. ROFLMAO
>
> > <VERY WIDE GRIN & GIGGLE TOO>
>
> > I'm simply delighted to see / hear you laughing again.
>
> > You have *NO need to apologise* to me @ all, after all that you have
> > been through recently, it is like music to my ears.....
>
> > I see that you have met our in house eloquent, etiqunet spell
> > checking, over zealous wowing the women expert. He has been trying to
> > pull here for months, with little success, surprisingly...I can't
> > imagine why, can you? LOL;o)
>
> > I'm sure you are going to have a great deal of fun with this one. As
> > Matthew points out, he is catch of the month around here.. It escapes
> > me right now to wonder how any of us resisted him..?
>
> Ok Ok make and old man blush why don't you ;-)
>
> <evil grin red faced>> <splitting my sides laughing>
>
> > Have all of the fun you want, & go for it girl .
> > I'm more than certain that you will have the time of your life with
> > this one..
>
> > Enjoy my dear,
> > sheelagh

On 30 Jun, 02:12, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Matthew" > wrote
>
> > Ok Ok make and old man blush why don't you ;-)
>
> > <evil grin red faced>
>
> Matthew, my darling, if ever one should snip it is when following
> up the British Windbags.


> Matthew, my darling, if ever one should snip it is when following
> up the British Windbags.

Wow, coming from you Mary.. or is it Cybercat...?
Who the hell knows heh....?!!

mariib via CatKB.com
June 30th 07, 04:12 AM
sheelagh wrote:
>On 29 Jun, 22:34, Charlie Wilkes >
>wrote:
>
>> >> No, you're wrong about that. What you say determines how I will
>> >> respond,
>[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>
>> Charlie
>
>> Sheelagh, I don't want to ruin your day and I'm sorry if I have done so.
>> My point is that your dialog with Bookie is ridiculous, and I hold myself
>> free to comment accordingly.
>True.
>
>That is OK. I never **bear/ bare** grudges or take bad feeling on
>board, ever....
>I see little gain in that @ all.
>
>This will continue to be open to debate for sometime no doubt.
>I completely understand her outrage Charlie. What happened wasn't
>normal behaviour from a young man. I have 3 sons, who all have
>differing views on life, but not one of them can even begin to
>understand why they chose to use Ringo as target practise.
>
>I took on board every comment you made Charlie, & I agree with you.
>The only reason it pained me to agree with you to start with, is
>because life seemed perfect for our cats before this happened to
>Ringo. It was a life changing experience & one I still feel guilt
>over. Possibly with time, I will get used to this way of life. I guess
>It takes time to adjust?
>
>I took away their liberty, & it is that alone that I feel guilty
>about. The cats don't seem to mind, so I would imagine I will get used
>to it sooner than I envisage?
>
>Each boy has their own way of dealing with it, & out of three of them,
>only one is still intent on dishing out a good slap in the ear hole-
>This one is Ross, who also happens to be the pacifist of the 3 of them
>in general terms. But, then again, he is also the one boy who bonded
>immeditately with Ringo & found him on his side in the meadow.
>
>I have to ask myself. Is it wrong for him to feel this way?
>
>Probably!
>
>> As for how you have handled the situation with Ringo, I can only
>> applaud. Clearly you have done your utmost to provide him with a
>> pleasant and healthy environment that includes secure access to the
>> outdoors. I have no doubt that any cat would be lucky to find itself in
>> your care, particularly now that you have learned the importance of not
>> allowing your cats to roam the neighborhood unsupervised.
>
>Thank you for that. I have done my best to make sure that all of the
>cats can enjoy my garden as much as we do. I take them to the meadow
>in pairs, where they can get burlap's in their fur, roll in the dust
>& weeds, & generally make themselves look more like army cats in
>combat colours, than feline family...
>( I am certain they do it on purpose just for the grooming following
>it)
< snipped> Sheelagh

Sheelagh - How IS Ringo? Has he completely recovered? Have you posted any
pictures of him since he returned to your home? If you did, I missed them &
maybe you could post the link again? He was so lucky finding you & your
family & I'd like to hear a Ringo update!
M.

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sheelagh
June 30th 07, 04:16 AM
OK OK make and old man blush why don't you ;-)

I didn't intend to Matthew.

I was trying to raise a smile, which I got in your case

<smile returned if it's not too embarrassing to publicly accept it>

Extremely well snipped so that the British Windbag don't upset
Cybercat.

God forbid I should do that!

I was being genuine with regard to Cat-Nipped, but do recognise that I
am new here & as a result come near the bottom of the hierarchy dump.
I very much liked Cat-Nip, & still do come to that.....

Sheelagh

CatNipped
June 30th 07, 04:18 AM
"sheelagh" > wrote in message
oups.com...

<snip>

>> > Enjoy my dear,
>> > sheelagh
>> It just *SO* tickles me when some kid first discovers UseNet and then
>> discovers the thrill of "anonymously" shooting barbs and trolling. They
>> think they are so original and witty and that the trite "come-backs"
>> they're
>> using have not been used a million times before by their elders. It's
>> kind
>> of like watching kittens "kill" a feather teaser, gracelessly jumping and
>> flailing around and the whole time thinking they are deadly killing
>> machines!! ;>
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> CatNipped
>
> This is somewhat true, & I have to admit that we are only emulating
> our elders here.
> That is how most kids learn, isn't it?
>
> I wasn't trying to be original.
> I was genuinely v. happy to see you smile
> S;o)

You misunderstood, hon, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the
troll, Yo'hand Gamble-Pouty or whatever the f*ck his pseudonym is.

Hugs,

CatNipped

sheelagh
June 30th 07, 05:46 AM
On 30 Jun, 04:18, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "sheelagh" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > Enjoy my dear,
> >> > sheelagh
> >> It just *SO* tickles me when some kid first discovers UseNet and then
> >> discovers the thrill of "anonymously" shooting barbs and trolling. They
> >> think they are so original and witty and that the trite "come-backs"
> >> they're
> >> using have not been used a million times before by their elders. It's
> >> kind
> >> of like watching kittens "kill" a feather teaser, gracelessly jumping and
> >> flailing around and the whole time thinking they are deadly killing
> >> machines!! ;>
>
> >> Hugs,
>
> >> CatNipped
>
> > This is somewhat true, & I have to admit that we are only emulating
> > our elders here.
> > That is how most kids learn, isn't it?
>
> > I wasn't trying to be original.
> > I was genuinely v. happy to see you smile
> > S;o)
>
> You misunderstood, hon, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the
> troll, Yo'hand Gamble-Pouty or whatever the f*ck his pseudonym is.
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank Goodness for that.
I was seriously worride that I had upset you in some way, which was
the last thing I wanted. You have been through enough recently.....

I just pretend he doesn't exist, because in my reality world, he
simply doesn't register. I believe he has been stalking Barry for some
time. I feel for him, but have no wish to become entangled in that. He
is one of those idiots that chooses to include me in some of his email
address nyms. What a weirdo & kind of sad ,heh?

Anyway, how are those gorgeous boys of yours, & their mummy too?
Photos always welcome
S;o)

Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-don
June 30th 07, 06:10 AM
On Jun 30, 12:46 am, sheelagh > wrote:
> I just pretend he doesn't exist, because in my reality world, he
> simply doesn't register.

That's why you can't stop thinking about me -- even in other NGs.
Everytime time you post, you think about me, if only for a second.


Here's what kind of demented loon *you* are:

"DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE MADE ME REACH THE POINT OF WANTING TO
COMMIT SUICIDE BECAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER WAY TO GET YOU OUT
OF MY LIFE?"

link to the original post:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/20c88815f3e2472e

You ranted about suicide because of a spelling flame. Get over
yourself, you illiterate bint.

Matthew
June 30th 07, 06:11 AM
You never have to apologize to me

Cybercat you need to please let it go and please leave it behind



"sheelagh" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>
>
> OK OK make and old man blush why don't you ;-)
>
> I didn't intend to Matthew.
>
> I was trying to raise a smile, which I got in your case
>
> <smile returned if it's not too embarrassing to publicly accept it>
>
> Extremely well snipped so that the British Windbag don't upset
> Cybercat.
>
> God forbid I should do that!
>
> I was being genuine with regard to Cat-Nipped, but do recognise that I
> am new here & as a result come near the bottom of the hierarchy dump.
> I very much liked Cat-Nip, & still do come to that.....
>
> Sheelagh
>

cybercat
June 30th 07, 06:40 AM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
> You never have to apologize to me
>
> Cybercat you need to please let it go and please leave it behind
>
>

Let what go? Leave what behind? If you're going to insist on replying
to people who write 100-line whiny posts without snipping, I guess you
can expect me to ask you to snip.

As for everything else, Sheelagh has been posting here long enough to be
able
to figure out many things that she cannot be bothered do figure out, such
as, when she clicks on a post and replies, she is replying to the person
named at the top of the post wher it says "__________" wrote in message
___________________.

Any fool could see that Catnipped was not addressing Sheelagh with her
comments.

And if she feels free to just ramble the **** on, I might just comment on
it.

It's Usenet, not a nursery school. I was nice to Sheelagh for a long time
until
I noticed that she is a brick.

Now I have her killfiled, but I read you. Snip, will you? Jesus. What were
there,
250 lines in that post, including everyone's?

cybercat
June 30th 07, 06:43 AM
"Matthew" > wrote in message
...
> You never have to apologize to me
>
> Cybercat you need to please let it go and please leave it behind
>

And do not *swat* limp before the lame. You do them no good.

Charlie Wilkes
June 30th 07, 07:23 AM
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:49:10 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

> This will continue to be open to debate for sometime no doubt. I
> completely understand her outrage Charlie. What happened wasn't normal
> behaviour from a young man. I have 3 sons, who all have differing views
> on life, but not one of them can even begin to understand why they chose
> to use Ringo as target practise.

It was the act of asocial teenagers who lack empathy. There's no
excuse. And I realize that Bookie is not about to travel to your village
to hang a burning tire around somebody's neck. But, as I said in another
post, violent fantasies of this kind are a recurring theme in her
writing. I can't help noticing it, and it seems fair to comment on it.
>
>
> I took away their liberty, & it is that alone that I feel guilty about.
> The cats don't seem to mind, so I would imagine I will get used to it
> sooner than I envisage?

I keep my cat in all the time, and he used to be a free-roaming barn cat
before I found him on the road. I think he's content with his life, and
I make this statement on the basis of his behavior. He's playful and
energetic, and I don't think he would behave that way if he was feeling a
lot of stress. Also, I do let him out once in awhile under my direct
supervision. He stays close at hand, and he almost always comes toward
me when I get his attention.

Perhaps some cats cannot adapt well to an indoor environment, but I think
most of them will if they are well cared for.

>
> Does this make me a bad person too?
> This is the million dollar question, isn't it?

I am not interested in evaluating whether anyone is a "good" or "bad"
person. My benchmark is intellectual honesty. People reveal a great
deal about themselves on Usenet, but sometimes they deny the implications
of what they have written, and that is where I can be a real pain in the
ass.
>
>
> The only thing that I am struggling with, is interpreting the law
> regarding someone shooting them in my garden from a surrounding house. I
> can't be certain if this is legal, or illegal. I am trying to research
> it now. As you know, I am not that brill when it comes to doing searches
> as yet, & I am still seeking the answer. If they can, what a chilling
> thought that would be?!!! Sheelagh

It can't possibly be legal to shoot a pet on the owner's property. And,
would any of your immediate neighbors be inclined to do so? I suspect
Ringo became a target of opportunity because he was at large, and I doubt
if it will happen when he is in an enclosure attached to your house.

Besides, willful mayhem is not the biggest risk to a free-running cat...
the biggest risks are moving vehicles and environmental traps like hollow
walls or storm drains. I think you have the welfare of your cats well in
hand with your new setup.

Charlie

-L.
June 30th 07, 07:56 AM
cybercat wrote:

> Because Scottish Folds are COOL, you know, like an unusual and
> expensive CAR or something, and people will think he is really
> SOMETHING for paying all that money just for a CAT, you know?
> I mean, if he can spend money like that on a CAT, he must really
> be rolling in it. A SHELTER CAT? *Snort* Anybody can have one
> of those.
>
> Plus, he got a bargain one. Something about they're so disgustingly
> inbred you have to pay a whole lot for the REALLY GOOD
> little freak cats.

Ever notice it's always the assholes who have to have the "purebred"
inbreds that know NOTHING about cat behavior?

-L.

bookie
June 30th 07, 02:04 PM
On 29 Jun, 22:51, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:34:22 -0700, bookie wrote:
>
> > as for anything I say about what i woudl like to do to those kids htne
> > that is my business, and anything charlie have you never heard of the
> > cathartic effect?
>
> Sure, but catharsis involves an unburdening, and that's not what is
> happening here, is it? Each time you revisit Ringo's misfortune, your
> tone becomes angrier and your fantasies more violent.
>
> Charlie

not really no, i don't feel particularly aggrieved right now at this
moment in time, maybe a little irked that wimbledon is rained off for
today but that is about it.
you don't me very well at all do you?

bookie
June 30th 07, 02:10 PM
On 30 Jun, 07:23, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:49:10 -0700, sheelagh wrote:
> > This will continue to be open to debate for sometime no doubt. I
> > completely understand her outrage Charlie. What happened wasn't normal
> > behaviour from a young man. I have 3 sons, who all have differing views
> > on life, but not one of them can even begin to understand why they chose
> > to use Ringo as target practise.
>
> It was the act of asocial teenagers who lack empathy. There's no
> excuse. And I realize that Bookie is not about to travel to your village
> to hang a burning tire around somebody's neck. But, as I said in another
> post, violent fantasies of this kind are a recurring theme in her
> writing. I can't help noticing it, and it seems fair to comment on it.
>
>
>
> > I took away their liberty, & it is that alone that I feel guilty about.
> > The cats don't seem to mind, so I would imagine I will get used to it
> > sooner than I envisage?
>
> I keep my cat in all the time, and he used to be a free-roaming barn cat
> before I found him on the road. I think he's content with his life, and
> I make this statement on the basis of his behavior. He's playful and
> energetic, and I don't think he would behave that way if he was feeling a
> lot of stress. Also, I do let him out once in awhile under my direct
> supervision. He stays close at hand, and he almost always comes toward
> me when I get his attention.
>
> Perhaps some cats cannot adapt well to an indoor environment, but I think
> most of them will if they are well cared for.
>
>
>
> > Does this make me a bad person too?
> > This is the million dollar question, isn't it?
>
> I am not interested in evaluating whether anyone is a "good" or "bad"
> person. My benchmark is intellectual honesty. People reveal a great
> deal about themselves on Usenet, but sometimes they deny the implications
> of what they have written, and that is where I can be a real pain in the
> ass.
>
>
>
> > The only thing that I am struggling with, is interpreting the law
> > regarding someone shooting them in my garden from a surrounding house. I
> > can't be certain if this is legal, or illegal. I am trying to research
> > it now. As you know, I am not that brill when it comes to doing searches
> > as yet, & I am still seeking the answer. If they can, what a chilling
> > thought that would be?!!! Sheelagh
>
> It can't possibly be legal to shoot a pet on the owner's property. And,
> would any of your immediate neighbors be inclined to do so? I suspect
> Ringo became a target of opportunity because he was at large, and I doubt
> if it will happen when he is in an enclosure attached to your house.
>
> Besides, willful mayhem is not the biggest risk to a free-running cat...
> the biggest risks are moving vehicles and environmental traps like hollow
> walls or storm drains. I think you have the welfare of your cats well in
> hand with your new setup.
>
> Charlie

if you don't like what i write then don't read it simple.
i subscribe to the simple old fashioned type of punishment along the
lineof "an eye ofr an eye, a tooth for a tooth". unfortunately
sometimes it is necessary to put the perpetrator of a violent crime
through similar pain and anguish to get them to understand the level
of hurt they have caused others, that is what i wish for these boys,
it may eventually turn thenm into decent human beings, maybe, one day,
although to be honest the words 'lost and 'cause' spring to mind here.

wimbledon still rained off
if I said I was going to hang a burning tyre round sue barker's neck
for the weather issues in south west london would you believe me and
be worried?

anyway I am off to make a good old fashioned british cup of tea now,
maybe some biscuits, nice ones mind, and maybe some cake too, lovely
bookie

cybercat
June 30th 07, 03:55 PM
"-L." > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> Because Scottish Folds are COOL, you know, like an unusual and
>> expensive CAR or something, and people will think he is really
>> SOMETHING for paying all that money just for a CAT, you know?
>> I mean, if he can spend money like that on a CAT, he must really
>> be rolling in it. A SHELTER CAT? *Snort* Anybody can have one
>> of those.
>>
>> Plus, he got a bargain one. Something about they're so disgustingly
>> inbred you have to pay a whole lot for the REALLY GOOD
>> little freak cats.
>
> Ever notice it's always the assholes who have to have the "purebred"
> inbreds that know NOTHING about cat behavior?
>

Yes indeed. It's the cat as an "object." Gucci should start making really
expensive stuffed cats. That way they could get all of the social status and
none of the trouble of dealing with something with a pulse.

Charlie Wilkes
June 30th 07, 07:10 PM
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:04:09 -0700, bookie wrote:

> On 29 Jun, 22:51, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:34:22 -0700, bookie wrote:
>>
>> > as for anything I say about what i woudl like to do to those kids
>> > htne that is my business, and anything charlie have you never heard
>> > of the cathartic effect?
>>
>> Sure, but catharsis involves an unburdening, and that's not what is
>> happening here, is it? Each time you revisit Ringo's misfortune, your
>> tone becomes angrier and your fantasies more violent.
>>
>> Charlie
>
> not really no, i don't feel particularly aggrieved right now at this
> moment in time, maybe a little irked that wimbledon is rained off for
> today but that is about it.
> you don't me very well at all do you?

I you better than you want to admit.

Charlie

cybercat
June 30th 07, 07:13 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>> not really no, i don't feel particularly aggrieved right now at this
>> moment in time, maybe a little irked that wimbledon is rained off for
>> today but that is about it.
>> you don't me very well at all do you?
>
> I you better than you want to admit.
>

Charlie my love, you are beginning to sound like Barry.

Maybe Bookie is just a bitter, hostile asshole who doesn't really like
people very much. I couldn't blame her much if she didn't, I don't
like most people either.

Those violent fantasies just give her somewhere to point her anger.

Everyone has anger.

What is good and bad form is a totally different issue.

Charlie Wilkes
June 30th 07, 09:58 PM
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:13:18 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>>> not really no, i don't feel particularly aggrieved right now at this
>>> moment in time, maybe a little irked that wimbledon is rained off for
>>> today but that is about it.
>>> you don't me very well at all do you?
>>
>> I you better than you want to admit.
>>
>>
> Charlie my love, you are beginning to sound like Barry.
>
> Maybe Bookie is just a bitter, hostile asshole who doesn't really like
> people very much. I couldn't blame her much if she didn't, I don't like
> most people either.
>
> Those violent fantasies just give her somewhere to point her anger.
>
> Everyone has anger.

Most people are not consumed by anger, but those who are tend to wear it
like a red flag.

>
> What is good and bad form is a totally different issue.

I don't know what constitutes good or bad form. My concern is
intellectual honesty -- i.e., do people understand and accept the
implications of what they say? I play this game because it is
interesting to see how people will respond when they are presented with
obvious conclusions drawn from evidence that they, themselves, have
provided.

Occasionally I am rewarded by a honest response; more often I get the
"irked about Wimbledon" type of lame-ass bull****.

Charlie

cybercat
June 30th 07, 10:24 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>> Everyone has anger.
>
> Most people are not consumed by anger, but those who are tend to wear it
> like a red flag.
>

I would say that in my estimation, Bookie does indeed seem to be "consumed"
by anger, because it seems to color most things she says, to the point that
she is
more than willing to portray herself as hideous, coarse, brutish, and ugly.
And
mean, e.g., small and needlessly nasty and spiteful. Everyone seems to be
fair game, children, "men in general," etc.

As for form versus content, Tom Robbins once said that style is 90% of life.

While I would not go that far, I do think packaging is important, as is
display.

We all have ugly sides. Every single one of us, and that goes double for
those
who think they don't. We have some choice about making them manifest,
showing them, though.

For example, anger is anger. There is nothing pretty about it, justified or
not.
That would be content.

The way one displays it would be form. People like Barry display theirs most
often toward people they deem safe, in other words, those who are either
unable
or probably unwilling to retaliate, in their estimation. Too often this
winds up being
someone who loves him or (God help them) depends upon him. This to me is an
example of really bad form.

An example of good form, to me, is the person who takes all that equally
ugly
anger and uses their mind, their will and their sense of fairness to
identify worthy targets
upon which to release it. A good example of a worthy target, for me, might
be people who
allow those who depend upon them to suffer, say, cat owners who are too
cheap to
take their suffering animals to the vet. The display is just as hideous
(albeit maybe a bit
more palatable if effective humor is applied), but the target is more
worthy, and more
able to retaliate, so it's just a fairer form of aggression. Of course I am
talking about
verbal aggression, I don't initiate physical aggression I just finish it.

There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in other
words.

Some particularly dramatic forms of sexual behavior (all consensual of
course) and
plain old hard physical labor are two. Gardening one's heart out. Making
lovely things
grow by exerting all that energy in a productive way.

That of course is for better people than me.

Come to think of it, I stray into very bad form by picking on Sheelagh. It
is just that she
annoys me so much. In a way, I think I am giving her too much credit. I am
annoyed
because I know she can do better than this rambling
"I-can't-figure-out-who-I-am
replying-to-and-must-have EVERYONE's-approval" thing that she does. If I
assumed
she was just an irredeemable idiot, I would not be annoyed, I would be kind
to her and
condescend to her as some to to the mentally impaired. I actually do not
dislike Sheila,
she just gets on my nerves. I'm sure it is some sort of terrible character
flaw on my part.

OMG, look at the length of this post?! Am I turning into Sheelagh?

What was it Sam Kinniston used to say? :D



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cybercat
June 30th 07, 10:27 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>>> Everyone has anger.
>>
>> Most people are not consumed by anger, but those who are tend to wear it
>> like a red flag.
>>
>
> I would say that in my estimation, Bookie does indeed seem to be
> "consumed"
> by anger, because it seems to color most things she says, to the point
> that she is
> more than willing to portray herself as hideous, coarse, brutish, and
> ugly. And
>

I really should be more tolerant of others' shortcomings. I cannot even
figure out my newsreader well enough to produce wrapped posts.

bookie
June 30th 07, 11:06 PM
On 30 Jun, 22:27, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>
>
>
> > "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
> >>> Everyone has anger.
>
> >> Most people are not consumed by anger, but those who are tend to wear it
> >> like a red flag.
>
> > I would say that in my estimation, Bookie does indeed seem to be
> > "consumed"
> > by anger, because it seems to color most things she says, to the point
> > that she is
> > more than willing to portray herself as hideous, coarse, brutish, and
> > ugly. And
>
> I really should be more tolerant of others' shortcomings. I cannot even
> figure out my newsreader well enough to produce wrapped posts.

ha ha ha! and you are all perfect of course.
and charlie my sweet, you are just not intelligent to even begin to
understand me, but full marks for trying, or at least pretending to,
now run along and go back to your colouring books little boy whilst
the grown ups talk

Barry
July 1st 07, 01:12 AM
On Jun 30, 2:13 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> Maybe Bookie is just a bitter, hostile asshole who doesn't really like
> people very much. I couldn't blame her much if she didn't, I don't
> like most people either.

oh come'on, bring you and your "wet blanket" on over
we're feeling a little cheer over here
we could use a big sour puss

Barry
July 1st 07, 01:21 AM
On Jun 30, 4:58 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:

> Occasionally I am rewarded by a honest response; more often I get the
> "irked about Wimbledon" type of lame-ass bull****.

I thought your form was just fine man.

don't sugar coat nothing for no one, let them come up to your level.

Charlie Wilkes
July 1st 07, 02:27 AM
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:24:36 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
> There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in other
> words.

Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,
except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
worry about looking stylish.

Charlie

cybercat
July 1st 07, 03:18 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:24:36 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>
>> There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in other
>> words.
>
> Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,

Wow. Is that what you really think?

I am amazed. And I disagree.

> except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
> not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
> worry about looking stylish.
>

Stylish?

Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like an
old woman, too.



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Barry
July 1st 07, 03:33 AM
On Jun 29, 5:34 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:

> now that you have learned the importance of not
> allowing your cats to roam the neighborhood unsupervised.

hows she supposed to supervise ringo when he's roaming


and what's with all the pleasantries, these ladies have got the gift
to gab

the longer they go without talking to someone for real, the more they
write on here. plain and simple.

poor mfng bookie

Barry
July 1st 07, 03:36 AM
On Jun 30, 9:27 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:

> Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,
> except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
> not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
> worry about looking stylish.

first of all, she's accusing you of being angry, which I didn't see.
so there you are discussing anger, and that's not even what I saw.

in fact, the topic of discussion was left off to deal with an
assumption.


if you was miffed when you posted, so what!

it's not like you called anyone a string of filthy names
or.. EVEN acted like an idiot.

You're a gentleman for the largest part, then there's the occassional
comical relief

anyway

cybercat
July 1st 07, 03:45 AM
"Barry" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Jun 30, 9:27 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
>> Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,
>> except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
>> not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
>> worry about looking stylish.
>
> first of all, she's accusing you of being angry, which I didn't see.

No I wasn't.

> so there you are discussing anger, and that's not even what I saw.
>
> in fact, the topic of discussion was left off to deal with an
> assumption.
>
>
> if you was miffed when you posted, so what!
>
> it's not like you called anyone a string of filthy names
> or.. EVEN acted like an idiot.
>
> You're a gentleman for the largest part, then there's the occassional
> comical relief
>
> anyway
>

You're an idiot with lousy reading comprehension. Among other things.

Charlie Wilkes
July 1st 07, 03:54 AM
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:18:19 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:24:36 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>>
>>> There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in
>>> other words.
>>
>> Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at
>> all,
>
> Wow. Is that what you really think?

It's what I have observed. I don't find it necessary to fly off the
handle or "release my anger," and I don't see people around me flying off
the handle. I live in a small community, and I know who the hotheads
are, the people who are prone to freak out about trivial issues or when
someone disagrees with them, and I also know those people have a lot of
problems and aren't really respected by anyone. Is it different in your
world?

>
> I am amazed. And I disagree.
>
>> except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form
>> does not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis
>> has to worry about looking stylish.
>>
>>
> Stylish?
>
> Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like
> an old woman, too.

How so?

Charlie

Charlie Wilkes
July 1st 07, 03:59 AM
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:33:28 -0700, Barry wrote:

> On Jun 29, 5:34 pm, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
>> now that you have learned the importance of not allowing your cats to
>> roam the neighborhood unsupervised.
>
> hows she supposed to supervise ringo when he's roaming

Sheelagh has built a wire enclosure in her back yard, so the cats can go
outside but can't leave the premises.
>
>
> and what's with all the pleasantries, these ladies have got the gift to
> gab
>
> the longer they go without talking to someone for real, the more they
> write on here. plain and simple.
>
> poor mfng bookie

She doesn't like it when I point out the obvious.

Charlie

Barry
July 1st 07, 04:10 AM
On Jun 30, 10:59 pm, Charlie Wilkes
> wrote:

> She doesn't like it when I point out the obvious.
>
> Charlie

I just read another post by you, on anger, I totally agree.
it's a good and fair observation on human behavior

Yeah, I got bookies number too.

believe it or not, she's just misery cause she's so damn poor
that is more important to her than relationship, security.
next is relationship. after security.

cybercat
July 1st 07, 07:53 AM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>>> Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at
>>> all,
>>
>> Wow. Is that what you really think?
>
> It's what I have observed.

This just boggles my mind. Taking you literally: you say that
"Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at
all."

Let's look at that. "Responsible adults don't find it necessary to
express anger at all."

So they are feeling it, but they are not expressing it?

Or they are not feeling it?

I would have to assume that anyone who is not anesthetized most of the
time by legal or illegal drugs who has a working brain and uses it probably
feels anger about many things, including but not limited to what people do
to one another, to children, to animals. For US citizens, the war in Iraq
might inspire anger for many reasons, for both left and right wings and
the guys in the middle. Just the tip of the iceberg. RESPONSIBLE
ADULTS FEEL, as well as think. Anger is a perfectly reasonable
response to many events in this life. At least for anyone with any kind
of conscience, who is not stoned or drunk or escaping via another
route all the time.

When you feel it, if you don't express it, where does it go?

Anger is energy. It's emotion made physical. It's goooood for depressive
types because it gets them moving. (Per a therapist friend.)

Anger is equivalent to love, desire, joy, and other excited emotional
states. If you are not feeling it on a daily basis you are doing something
wrong.


>I don't find it necessary to fly off the
> handle or "release my anger," and I don't see people around me flying off
> the handle.

Why are you equating "releasing your anger" to flying off the handle?
Anger, like joy and sadness and other emotions, moves one to express,
but not necessarily to rage or scream or do violence. It is energy. It's
emotion. You can channel it.



>I live in a small community, and I know who the hotheads
> are, the people who are prone to freak out about trivial issues or when
> someone disagrees with them, and I also know those people have a lot of
> problems and aren't really respected by anyone.

Charlie, with all due respect, I think that small community may be too
small. Expressing anger is not equivalent to "freaking out" or being a
"hothead." And being a reasonable, intelligent man does not mean that
you program yourself not to feel. That's just crazy. A waste of intellect,
a waste of heart, and a waste of humanness.


>Is it different in your
> world?

You bet. I express my anger on a daily basis without ever raising my voice,
engaging in physical violence, or intentionally inflicting harm on anyone. I
write,
I speak, I joke, I discuss, hell, sometimes I sing and dance and howl at the
****ing moon. It's great. If something or someone is wrong and does not give
a flying ****, if someone blatantly abuses their power or callously ignores
the
needs of those around them who depend upon them, that is cause for
justifiable
anger, and that anger should be expressed. Apathy kills, and the one it
kills first
is you, after it hurts the hell out of everyone around you.

In my world, anger is something felt in the face of injustice, not something
felt
because one is a sorryass lazy loser who will not get off his ass or face
his
problems so his electricity gets turned off and etc. Anger is something felt
in the face of things like meaningless, gratuitous violence. Abuse. Anger
moves
one in very good ways, if one is a decent person.

>> I am amazed. And I disagree.
>>
>>> except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form
>>> does not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis
>>> has to worry about looking stylish.
>>>
>>>
>> Stylish?
>>
>> Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like
>> an old woman, too.
>
> How so?
>

I think I have expressed how you completely missed my point. If not, let me
know and I will try again.

As for you sounding like an old woman, my God, Charlie, if you look at this
world and don't feel anger, what the hell are you feeling? Anything?
Anything
at all? "Like an old woman" for me means behaving as though anything that
makes waves or might attract attention or go against the grain of the norm
or the authority is something to be avoided. Something embarrassing.

Feelings as farts, so to speak.

And you feel qualified to make statements from your very limited reality
about what "responsible adults" do.

?? What is a "responsible adult," Charlie?

Someone who never feels anger, or never expresses it?

It's a very warped view in my opinion.

For me, responsible adults feel many things and act upon them. That
is part of the responsiblity of being fully human.

It would be irresponsible not to.

And perfectly sick and sickening to live as though the less felt the better,
or at least the less emotion expressed the better, or at least the less
"negative emotion" like anger expressed the better.

Take your pulse, Charlie.

I am worried about you.

Charlie Wilkes
July 1st 07, 10:04 AM
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 02:53:49 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>Anger is energy. It's emotion made physical. It's goooood for depressive
>types because it gets them moving. (Per a therapist friend.)

Bah. This is psychobabble.
>
>Anger is equivalent to love, desire, joy, and other excited emotional
>states. If you are not feeling it on a daily basis you are doing something
>wrong.

??? Do you find anger to be a life-enhancing experience? I don't.
And I've seen people do really stupid things because they were too
****ed off to think straight.
>
>
>And you feel qualified to make statements from your very limited reality
>about what "responsible adults" do.

In what way is my reality limited as compared with yours?
>
>?? What is a "responsible adult," Charlie?
>
>Someone who never feels anger, or never expresses it?
>
>It's a very warped view in my opinion.
>
>For me, responsible adults feel many things and act upon them.

Toddlers act on their feelings because they don't know better. Adults
wise up to the fact that their feelings don't matter much to anyone
except themselves.

>That
>is part of the responsiblity of being fully human.
>
>It would be irresponsible not to.
>
>And perfectly sick and sickening to live as though the less felt the better,
>or at least the less emotion expressed the better, or at least the less
>"negative emotion" like anger expressed the better.
>
>Take your pulse, Charlie.
>
>I am worried about you.

Thanks, but I'll muddle through.. Enjoy your anger and don't worry
about me.

Charlie

Barry
July 1st 07, 12:32 PM
On Jul 1, 5:04 am, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:

> Thanks, but I'll muddle through.. Enjoy your anger and don't worry
> about me.

I'm certain you "got" her point, and caught what she was saying...
Im only paraphrasing her here as a starting point for my comments.

cyber is saying, we should feel some indignation towards the crimes
agains the innocent etc...

I don't see this as the type of anger you describe when you say no
need to act upon it and I agree.

an anger that doesn't need acted upon is an everyday thing like
someone cutting you off in traffic.

you're saying, yes, you get a shot of adrenaline, but no need to
follow up with it.

you say.. why should you drive around angry, and you will never see
the asshole who cut you off.

cyber of course is talking about a much more refined anger than what
you speak of.
oh yes.

She's showing you how she masks her anger

letting off anger IS an art form

alls you got to do is stick your head out into the world, see all the
heathens raping and defrauding one another, come on back inside and
enjoy your fresh anger.

I can be angry about a cat being abused.

but to go on about it? that's a mask

that's UNEXPRESSED, anger doing what it's got to do... express itself

she do express herself, but it's misdirected

bookie
July 1st 07, 04:33 PM
On 1 Jul, 03:18, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:24:36 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
> >> There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in other
> >> words.
>
> > Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,
>
> Wow. Is that what you really think?
>
> I am amazed. And I disagree.
>
> > except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
> > not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
> > worry about looking stylish.
>
> Stylish?
>
> Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like an
> old woman, too.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

bizarrely enough I agree with cybercat, i think it is more normal to
express your anger than keep it in, much more healthy anyway, if you
keep it pent it will hurt you eventually and just explode having
dramatic effects. you have to release it sometimes, at least i release
it in words and not actions.
if an adult did not express their feelings or emotions there is
something seriously wron with them, or they are in fact a robot.

i have a real headache now, think i might curl up in the back of the
airing cupboard with jessie, looks cosy and quiet in there

bookie
July 1st 07, 04:39 PM
On 1 Jul, 07:53, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>
> >>> Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at
> >>> all,
>
> >> Wow. Is that what you really think?
>
> > It's what I have observed.
>
> This just boggles my mind. Taking you literally: you say that
> "Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at
> all."
>
> Let's look at that. "Responsible adults don't find it necessary to
> express anger at all."
>
> So they are feeling it, but they are not expressing it?
>
> Or they are not feeling it?
>
> I would have to assume that anyone who is not anesthetized most of the
> time by legal or illegal drugs who has a working brain and uses it probably
> feels anger about many things, including but not limited to what people do
> to one another, to children, to animals. For US citizens, the war in Iraq
> might inspire anger for many reasons, for both left and right wings and
> the guys in the middle. Just the tip of the iceberg. RESPONSIBLE
> ADULTS FEEL, as well as think. Anger is a perfectly reasonable
> response to many events in this life. At least for anyone with any kind
> of conscience, who is not stoned or drunk or escaping via another
> route all the time.
>
> When you feel it, if you don't express it, where does it go?
>
> Anger is energy. It's emotion made physical. It's goooood for depressive
> types because it gets them moving. (Per a therapist friend.)
>
> Anger is equivalent to love, desire, joy, and other excited emotional
> states. If you are not feeling it on a daily basis you are doing something
> wrong.
>
> >I don't find it necessary to fly off the
> > handle or "release my anger," and I don't see people around me flying off
> > the handle.
>
> Why are you equating "releasing your anger" to flying off the handle?
> Anger, like joy and sadness and other emotions, moves one to express,
> but not necessarily to rage or scream or do violence. It is energy. It's
> emotion. You can channel it.
>
> >I live in a small community, and I know who the hotheads
> > are, the people who are prone to freak out about trivial issues or when
> > someone disagrees with them, and I also know those people have a lot of
> > problems and aren't really respected by anyone.
>
> Charlie, with all due respect, I think that small community may be too
> small. Expressing anger is not equivalent to "freaking out" or being a
> "hothead." And being a reasonable, intelligent man does not mean that
> you program yourself not to feel. That's just crazy. A waste of intellect,
> a waste of heart, and a waste of humanness.
>
> >Is it different in your
> > world?
>
> You bet. I express my anger on a daily basis without ever raising my voice,
> engaging in physical violence, or intentionally inflicting harm on anyone. I
> write,
> I speak, I joke, I discuss, hell, sometimes I sing and dance and howl at the
> ****ing moon. It's great. If something or someone is wrong and does not give
> a flying ****, if someone blatantly abuses their power or callously ignores
> the
> needs of those around them who depend upon them, that is cause for
> justifiable
> anger, and that anger should be expressed. Apathy kills, and the one it
> kills first
> is you, after it hurts the hell out of everyone around you.
>
> In my world, anger is something felt in the face of injustice, not something
> felt
> because one is a sorryass lazy loser who will not get off his ass or face
> his
> problems so his electricity gets turned off and etc. Anger is something felt
> in the face of things like meaningless, gratuitous violence. Abuse. Anger
> moves
> one in very good ways, if one is a decent person.
>
> >> I am amazed. And I disagree.
>
> >>> except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form
> >>> does not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis
> >>> has to worry about looking stylish.
>
> >> Stylish?
>
> >> Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like
> >> an old woman, too.
>
> > How so?
>
> I think I have expressed how you completely missed my point. If not, let me
> know and I will try again.
>
> As for you sounding like an old woman, my God, Charlie, if you look at this
> world and don't feel anger, what the hell are you feeling? Anything?
> Anything
> at all? "Like an old woman" for me means behaving as though anything that
> makes waves or might attract attention or go against the grain of the norm
> or the authority is something to be avoided. Something embarrassing.
>
> Feelings as farts, so to speak.
>
> And you feel qualified to make statements from your very limited reality
> about what "responsible adults" do.
>
> ?? What is a "responsible adult," Charlie?
>
> Someone who never feels anger, or never expresses it?
>
> It's a very warped view in my opinion.
>
> For me, responsible adults feel many things and act upon them. That
> is part of the responsiblity of being fully human.
>
> It would be irresponsible not to.
>
> And perfectly sick and sickening to live as though the less felt the better,
> or at least the less emotion expressed the better, or at least the less
> "negative emotion" like anger expressed the better.
>
> Take your pulse, Charlie.
>
> I am worried about you.

exactly (about the channeling anger) i channel it into my rowing.
for example, once i got dumped by a boyfriend, who i didn;t like
anyway, but instead of nust sitting about and crying about it I went
off to race in a time traial the next morning, stuck a picture of the
uselss idiot on my footplate so i could see it through the whole race
and that angered me enough to pull so hard I won the overall thing
(all womens singles) not just my category. now if that isn't usding my
aggression in a constructive and positive way i don't know what is!

anyway i would worry a whole lot more abuot someone who showed no
emotion at all, it has to come out sometime and in some way, keeping
it pent up is not the sign of a 'responsible adult' at all, more of a
bad accident waiting to happen.

also, i don't think i have ever cared about being 'stylish' ever in my
entire life, gave up caring about what i look like or what people
think of me a long time ago when i realised that oyou just cannot
please all the people all of the time and you will make yourself ill
if you try, so i stopped

bookie
July 1st 07, 04:47 PM
On 1 Jul, 04:10, Barry > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:59 pm, Charlie Wilkes
>
> > wrote:
> > She doesn't like it when I point out the obvious.
>
> > Charlie
>
> I just read another post by you, on anger, I totally agree.
> it's a good and fair observation on human behavior
>
> Yeah, I got bookies number too.
>
> believe it or not, she's just misery cause she's so damn poor
> that is more important to her than relationship, security.
> next is relationship. after security.

really? you haven't rung me yet, still waiting for you call,
and btw charlie i just don't like it when you talks ********, as you
seem to do on a regular basis.

"anger is bad"; what a load of crap

cybercat
July 1st 07, 05:48 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 02:53:49 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Anger is energy. It's emotion made physical. It's goooood for depressive
>>types because it gets them moving. (Per a therapist friend.)
>
> Bah. This is psychobabble.

What an ignorant, dismissive comment. I expected better of you. If
you think about the last time you had feelings, if there was one, you
might recall that depression is debilitating and paralyzing. It is much,
much healthier to get angry about a situation so that you will do
something about it. Psychobabble my ass, Wilkes.

>>
>>Anger is equivalent to love, desire, joy, and other excited emotional
>>states. If you are not feeling it on a daily basis you are doing something
>>wrong.
>
> ??? Do you find anger to be a life-enhancing experience? I don't.
> And I've seen people do really stupid things because they were too
> ****ed off to think straight.

You're painting with too broad a brush again. All emotions are life
enhancing
if they're handled the right way. What is sad about you is that you feel
that
getting your emotions in some sort of rational stranglehold is the way to
live.
Unless you just don't feel much, which is even sadder.


>>
>>And you feel qualified to make statements from your very limited reality
>>about what "responsible adults" do.
>
> In what way is my reality limited as compared with yours?

Where did I say that mine was not just as limited? I am no more an expert
on what "responsible adults" do than you are, but I am not arrogant or
ignorant enough to say that "rational adults do not need to express anger."
An incredibly stupid statement, Charlie.


>>?? What is a "responsible adult," Charlie?
>>
>>Someone who never feels anger, or never expresses it?
>>
>>It's a very warped view in my opinion.
>>
>>For me, responsible adults feel many things and act upon them.

But they never express anger. On what planet? There are constructive
ways to express all emotions including anger.

>
> Toddlers act on their feelings because they don't know better. Adults
> wise up to the fact that their feelings don't matter much to anyone
> except themselves.

They don't need to matter to anyone. Whether or not they matter, there
they are anyway, if you're a healthy person. Still, they do matter. What
has happened to you to make you so afraid of emotion?

>
>>That
>>is part of the responsiblity of being fully human.
>>
>>It would be irresponsible not to.
>>
>>And perfectly sick and sickening to live as though the less felt the
>>better,
>>or at least the less emotion expressed the better, or at least the less
>>"negative emotion" like anger expressed the better.
>>
>>Take your pulse, Charlie.
>>
>>I am worried about you.


>
> Thanks, but I'll muddle through.. Enjoy your anger and don't worry
> about me.

I'll begin taking instruction from you when you start looking like a
whole, sane person instead of an old-school repressive who thinks
having all emotions in a stranglehold makes you a superior being.

cybercat
July 1st 07, 06:39 PM
"Barry" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Jul 1, 5:04 am, Charlie Wilkes >
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but I'll muddle through.. Enjoy your anger and don't worry
>> about me.
>
> I'm certain you "got" her point, and caught what she was saying...
> Im only paraphrasing her here as a starting point for my comments.
>
> cyber is saying, we should feel some indignation towards the crimes
> agains the innocent etc...
>
> I don't see this as the type of anger you describe when you say no
> need to act upon it and I agree.
>
> an anger that doesn't need acted upon is an everyday thing like
> someone cutting you off in traffic.
>
> you're saying, yes, you get a shot of adrenaline, but no need to
> follow up with it.
>
> you say.. why should you drive around angry, and you will never see
> the asshole who cut you off.
>
> cyber of course is talking about a much more refined anger than what
> you speak of.
> oh yes.
>
> She's showing you how she masks her anger
>
> letting off anger IS an art form
>
> alls you got to do is stick your head out into the world, see all the
> heathens raping and defrauding one another, come on back inside and
> enjoy your fresh anger.
>
> I can be angry about a cat being abused.
>
> but to go on about it? that's a mask
>
> that's UNEXPRESSED, anger doing what it's got to do... express itself
>
> she do express herself, but it's misdirected
>

Here's a direct expression for you: shove your typically wrongheaded
assessment up your ass. And don't address me again. Is that direct
enough for you?



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Barry
July 1st 07, 07:13 PM
On Jul 1, 11:39 am, bookie > wrote:

> exactly (about the channeling anger) i channel it into my rowing.
> for example, once i got dumped by a boyfriend, who i didn;t like
> anyway, but instead of nust sitting about and crying about it I went
> off to race in a time traial the next morning, stuck a picture of the
> uselss idiot on my footplate so i could see it through the whole race
> and that angered me enough to pull so hard I won the overall thing
> (all womens singles) not just my category. now if that isn't usding my
> aggression in a constructive and positive way i don't know what is!

I do that all the time. Only, believe me when I say, I know what you
was feeling rowing the gd mf al cs $%#%# boat!

You got a good mind if you can stay focused in times like them.

adrenaline is no respector of persons

Charlie Wilkes
July 1st 07, 07:36 PM
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:33:07 -0700, bookie >
wrote:

>On 1 Jul, 03:18, "cybercat" > wrote:
>> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:24:36 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>
>> >> There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in other
>> >> words.
>>
>> > Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,
>>
>> Wow. Is that what you really think?
>>
>> I am amazed. And I disagree.
>>
>> > except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
>> > not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
>> > worry about looking stylish.
>>
>> Stylish?
>>
>> Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like an
>> old woman, too.
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
>
>bizarrely enough I agree with cybercat,

Of course. She has constructed a thesis in pop psychology to convince
herself that it's normal and healthy to go through life seething with
anger. Naturally that appeals to you as well.

Charlie

>i think it is more normal to
>express your anger than keep it in, much more healthy anyway, if you
>keep it pent it will hurt you eventually and just explode having
>dramatic effects. you have to release it sometimes, at least i release
>it in words and not actions.

sheelagh
July 1st 07, 07:47 PM
On 1 Jul, 04:10, Barry > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:59 pm, Charlie Wilkes
>
> > wrote:
> > She doesn't like it when I point out the obvious.
>
> > Charlie
>
> I just read another post by you, on anger, I totally agree.
> it's a good and fair observation on human behavior
>
> Yeah, I got bookies number too.
>
> believe it or not, she's just misery cause she's so damn poor
> that is more important to her than relationship, security.
> next is relationship. after security.


Quote:
"I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
know what hits them"

So I see!!

Sound familiar to calling Bookie by phone?
S;o)

cybercat
July 1st 07, 08:00 PM
"Charlie Wilkes" > wrote
>
> Of course. She has constructed a thesis in pop psychology to convince
> herself that it's normal and healthy to go through life seething with
> anger. Naturally that appeals to you as well.
>

I cannot imagine that I used to think you had a good mind. All you
can do is make idiotic gross generalizations.

Your life lacks balance, Charlie. You are emotionally bankrupt.

I honestly feel sorry for you.

Barry
July 1st 07, 08:12 PM
On Jul 1, 2:47 pm, sheelagh > wrote:


> Quote:
> "I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
> then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
> know what hits them"

where did you get this quote, I don't remember saying nothing like
that
lol

I think bookie is smart enough to know I haven't sucker punched her
Sheeeeeeeeelaaaaaaaaaaagggghhhhhhhhh

cybercat
July 1st 07, 09:10 PM
"Barry" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Jul 1, 2:47 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
>
>
>> Quote:
>> "I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
>> then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
>> know what hits them"
>
> where did you get this quote, I don't remember saying nothing like
> that
> lol
>

This sounds exactly like you. Bragging to bookie in email about how
you use people.

sheelagh
July 2nd 07, 09:45 PM
On 1 Jul, 04:10, Barry > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:59 pm, Charlie Wilkes
>
> > wrote:
> > She doesn't like it when I point out the obvious.
>
> > Charlie
>
> I just read another post by you, on anger, I totally agree.
> it's a good and fair observation on human behavior
>
> Yeah, I got bookies number too.
>
> believe it or not, she's just misery cause she's so damn poor
> that is more important to her than relationship, security.
> next is relationship. after security.

bookie
July 3rd 07, 12:41 AM
On 1 Jul, 19:13, Barry > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 11:39 am, bookie > wrote:
>
> > exactly (about the channeling anger) i channel it into my rowing.
> > for example, once i got dumped by a boyfriend, who i didn;t like
> > anyway, but instead of nust sitting about and crying about it I went
> > off to race in a time traial the next morning, stuck a picture of the
> > uselss idiot on my footplate so i could see it through the whole race
> > and that angered me enough to pull so hard I won the overall thing
> > (all womens singles) not just my category. now if that isn't usding my
> > aggression in a constructive and positive way i don't know what is!
>
> I do that all the time. Only, believe me when I say, I know what you
> was feeling rowing the gd mf al cs $%#%# boat!
>
> You got a good mind if you can stay focused in times like them.
>
> adrenaline is no respector of persons

i suppose it is all about channelling your aggression into something
else.
the aforementioned ex-boyfriend phoned me up later on in the week
firstly to find out why i hadn;t called him (you dumped me, why woudl
i call you? was I supposed to be trying to get you back then? was that
the game? sorry didn't realise) and also to say sorry for wrecking my
race the day after, how arrogant!!! he had decided that he was so damn
important that his dumping me (which was a good thing and i realised
that about 30 mins after he did it and left) was so momentous that i
would obviously be suicidal and unable to function normally for weeks
on end afterwards! unbelievable arrogance!

i actually thanked him for dumping me and releasing me from the
irritation of going out with him any longer and that i had used the
annoyance that I had waste nearly a year with him by firing myself to
win the race, so thank you very much! don't think that was the
response he was after somehow, poor silly man

bookie

bookie
July 3rd 07, 12:42 AM
On 1 Jul, 19:36, Charlie Wilkes >
wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:33:07 -0700, bookie >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 1 Jul, 03:18, "cybercat" > wrote:
> >> "Charlie Wilkes" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:24:36 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
> >> >> There are much better ways to release anger, even better form, in other
> >> >> words.
>
> >> > Most responsible adults don't find it necessary to express anger at all,
>
> >> Wow. Is that what you really think?
>
> >> I am amazed. And I disagree.
>
> >> > except under rare and unusual circumstances, so the question of form does
> >> > not arise. And nobody who lashes out in anger on a regular basis has to
> >> > worry about looking stylish.
>
> >> Stylish?
>
> >> Not only have you missed the point, but you're beginning to sound like an
> >> old woman, too.
>
> >> --
> >> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
>
> >bizarrely enough I agree with cybercat,
>
> Of course. She has constructed a thesis in pop psychology to convince
> herself that it's normal and healthy to go through life seething with
> anger. Naturally that appeals to you as well.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> >i think it is more normal to
> >express your anger than keep it in, much more healthy anyway, if you
> >keep it pent it will hurt you eventually and just explode having
> >dramatic effects. you have to release it sometimes, at least i release
> >it in words and not actions.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

there's brown girl in the rain, tra la la la la!

bookie
July 3rd 07, 12:44 AM
On 1 Jul, 21:10, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Barry" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > On Jul 1, 2:47 pm, sheelagh > wrote:
>
> >> Quote:
> >> "I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
> >> then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
> >> know what hits them"
>
> > where did you get this quote, I don't remember saying nothing like
> > that
> > lol
>
> This sounds exactly like you. Bragging to bookie in email about how
> you use people.

i have nothing that it is worth anyone's time using me for

Got the gun
July 3rd 07, 01:19 AM
On Jul 2, 7:44 pm, bookie > wrote:

> i have nothing that it is worth anyone's time using me for- Hide quoted text -

Not true. You have a level head. and you seem disciplined.
I could be real wrong.

discipline is not something you can buy, it comes with time,
dertermination and hard work.

You can tell a lot about a tree by the fruit it gives.

:)

bookie
July 3rd 07, 02:13 AM
On 3 Jul, 01:19, Got the gun > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 7:44 pm, bookie > wrote:
>
> > i have nothing that it is worth anyone's time using me for- Hide quoted text -
>
> Not true. You have a level head. and you seem disciplined.
> I could be real wrong.
>
> discipline is not something you can buy, it comes with time,
> dertermination and hard work.
>
> You can tell a lot about a tree by the fruit it gives.
>
> :)

i doubt i am disciplined at all, i am just too old and bored with life
to get really that worked up by some people, and after having to bite
my tongue and keep my hands by my side inthe classroom when under some
serious proviocation from nasty kids it is not hard to transfer that
ability to everyday life. life is a joke anyway.

anyway i just think that the majority of people on this earth are too
far beneath me for them to be really important enough for me to care
about what they think or say. sometimes what they do does **** me off
when it hurts people or creatures I care about (cats mainly, but
bunnies too sometimes, and puppies). call me a snob for thinking that
way but it keeps me sane and stops me losing sleep over what a lot of
peolpe are sayign behind my back, or to my face on occasion.

anyway, it's Henley Week, hoorah for the Royal Regatta! not matter
what time of day it is it is always Pimm's o'clock! rah rah rah!!!!!!!

Got the gun
July 3rd 07, 04:10 AM
On Jul 2, 9:13 pm, bookie > wrote:

> i doubt i am disciplined at all, i am just too old and bored with life
> to get really that worked up by some people, and after having to bite
> my tongue and keep my hands by my side inthe classroom when under some
> serious proviocation from nasty kids it is not hard to transfer that
> ability to everyday life. life is a joke anyway.

I find plenty of humor in the world
The longer I live, the closer I feel to all of it

> anyway i just think that the majority of people on this earth are too
> far beneath me for them to be really important enough for me to care
> about what they think or say.

A friend gave me a book for my birthday, it's called, "They will talk
anyway

>sometimes what they do does **** me off
> when it hurts people or creatures I care about (cats mainly, but
> bunnies too sometimes, and puppies). call me a snob for thinking that
> way but it keeps me sane and stops me losing sleep over what a lot of
> peolpe are sayign behind my back, or to my face on occasion.

I see what you mean. No, they ain't worth the thought.

I always say, I'm not going to let anyone change me.
I like opening the door for people coming in a store behind me, but
once in a while you get someone that's too ignorant to say thanks..
moan or something

> anyway, it's Henley Week, hoorah for the Royal Regatta! not matter
> what time of day it is it is always Pimm's o'clock! rah rah rah!!!!!!!

aaah, I see you like to -move it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_r2psdrQkM

it's not the greatest entertainment, but it gets the job done.
If you're on dialup, it's just animated animals dancing, they're
singing this african groove... it say... I like to move it, I like to
move it move it, they're dancing. it's from the .madagascar movie.