On 28 Jul, 16:15, " > wrote:
> On Jul 28, 9:08 am, "Spot" > wrote:
> > First off there is a 1 in 1000 chance of cancer from an injection. Plus if
> > they happen to get it they were predisposed to it and eventually would have
> > gotten cancer at some point in life it's in the genes.
> > As the for the vaccines you are just asking for problems just because she's
> > not outside does not mean that she's immune from disease. Anything even a
> > simple cold can be picked up from through an open screened window to you
> > yourself carrying it into the house on the soles of your shoe. Parvo can
> > live on for years in soil if not properly treated with clorox and
> > disinfectant and is easily transmitted by a person just walking though the
> > property.
> > I have a cat who lost a limb to a booster rabies shot at 3 years of age. It
> > was giant cell tumor a rare cancer that rarely shows up in cats but often
> > does in dogs. She get no more vaccines by needle but gets nasal vaccines
> > instead.
> > Suck it up and get the cat vaccinated and fixed.
> > Celeste
> > > wrote in message
> > > On Jul 27, 10:01 pm, "mariib via CatKB.com" <[email protected]
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >What I REALLY want to know is can I avoid the extortionistic expense of
> > >> >spaying
> > >> > and innoculating her for another year?. I don't mind a bit of
> > >> >rambunctionessness but if she starts baying I will lose it.)
> > >> >Thanks.
> > >> >Bill King
> > >> What's with you? You want a veterinarian to work for nothing? Call a
> > >> couple
> > >> vet practices in your area & get an idea of the cost & yes, there IS a
> > >> cost,
> > >> why not? Would you be willing to work for cost or nothing as you seem to
> > >> be
> > >> suggesting? You always have the option of utilizing one of the low cost
> > >> spay-
> > >> neuter clinics that go on from time to time - you came here to ask but
> > >> you
> > >> could just as easily google using your city + "low cost spay neuter
> > >> clinic".
> > >> You should call your local SPCA, your municipality, the local vets,
> > >> volunteer
> > >> groups & there are spay-neuter assistance programs (SNAP) run by local
> > >> vet
> > >> clinics, the municipalities, etc etc.
> > >> And what will happen when your kitty needs vet care for one reason or
> > >> another?
> > >> Will this same unreasonable attitude be your first thought - that vets
> > >> are
> > >> extortionists? If so, please look for another good home for her.
> > >> M.
> > >> --
> > >> Message posted via
> > >> CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-health/200707/1
> > > First of all, the question was about recurrence of heat cycles.
> > > Monty is a srictly indoor cat (and therefore has a much chance of
> > > getting pregrant as I have) and I might add that she gets daily play,
> > > paid-for cat-sitting when I am at work, the best of cat food, and the
> > > run of every inch if my house.
> > > And yes, she gets medical care too - for which I pay. It is just that
> > > the vet requires not only $300 for a hysterectomy (which I have no
> > > quibble with), but three visits and the same cost or more for
> > > innoculationns against diseases she has no chance of getting.
> > > In fac, there is a serious debate within the verterinary profession
> > > whether these innoculations do more harm than good. For example, there
> > > is a risk of cancer at the injection site, which is why some vets now
> > > give the innoculation on a limb which, in case of cancer, can be
> > > removed. There is also the question of whether these repeated
> > > innoculations are being over-given in order to get cats back to the
> > > vet for their boosters more often. Why I call it exhortation is that
> > > no vet I called in my area will perform the hysterectromy without all
> > > the inncoluations (they lean on you for declawing (a form of
> > > mutilation) too. One even told me that they have no choice but in
> > > Ontario, at least, the only legally mandatory vaccination is against
> > > rabies. The standards of the veterian organizations are voluntary, so
> > > the lady who told me this seems to have been lying too.
> > > I don't think loving one's cat is inconcsistent with regarding
> > > veterinarism as a racket. But don't worry I DO love my cat! I would
> > > just like to postpone the $600 and four part-days off work (two JUST
> > > for needles) for awhile if it will do neither of us harm. THAT was the
> > > question I asked but I seem to have got answers to various other ones.
> > > Bil King- Hide quoted text -
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> Would you sleep with a man who has a 1/1000 chance of giving you aids?
> As to presdisposition, are you suggesing that these cats will get the
> cance anyway (albeit later) WITHOUT a precipitatating (i.e.,
> innoculation) event?
> As to cats getting ca-borne diseases WITHOUT direct contact with other
> cats, you are talking one chance in millions. Viruses have very short
> lives outside the feline (or human) bodies. Thus the AIDS from toilet
> seat myths.
> I am not sure that your unhappily three-legged cat is a very good
> exhibit for the evidence which you present (especially when you say
> "suck it up").
> Has it occurred to many of you folk that while some cat-owners (i.e.,
> youre corresondent) are not poor enough for special programmes,
> neither are they rich enough to spend $1000 on a cat when they may
> have eg. a sick mother to provide for instead?
> I will get my cat fixed, and probably soone than later.
> My original question about heat cycles remains unanswered.
> I do think that one can be a cat-lover AND a scpetic as to
> veterinarian rackaterring - which, indicidentally, leaves many an
> inner-city cat with no medical attention AT ALL!
> I am surprised here thre is so much defenence for veterians. I could
> cite some figures and analaysis from greater minds than mine ...- Hide quoted text -
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I can help you with this question:
A female cat does not come into oestrus in the same way that a human
would.(ie; not regular cycles each month). A female cat in the wild
can't guarantee that she will meet a male at a specific time or date,
so instead, she chooses the time and the date. There are other factors
involved here, such as how many hours of daylight there is, is there
an abundance of food, ect. If there are all of these factors in place,
the females natural urge to mate will come into play, & she will start
Once she starts calling, you will know, believe me! Your female will
begin to call in a very different manner to which you are used to. She
will shout @ windows, & try and escape through open doors ect. She
will also rub her face on her humans, on mats, carpets, tables, in
fact anywhere that she can. this scent displays the fact that she is
ready to mate When she calls, she will attract every tom cat for a
couple of miles around you too. Outside our home you will have every
unneutered tom in the are trying to get to her!!
The way a cat ovulates is very different as well. As I have mentioned,
when your female is ready to mate, she will do anything that she can
to reach a male. Once she has, she will adopt a position called
lordosis, in which she looks like she is crawling with her back end up
in the air with her tail to one side, inviting the tom to mount her.
The male has a barbed penis, so once in, he will mate her, but when he
tries to remove his penis it scrapes the sides of her womb. This is
what induces her to ovulate, so that the sperm & the egg meet each
other, and develop into a kitten in her horn shaped uterus..(each
mating produces a different kitten too BTW, so each kitten can
actually have a different father!)
This is a very basic explanation, but I think I have told you the lost
important parts of how a cat calls, how they ovulate, & how they
become pregnant. I hope that this helps explain how & why a female cat
I know it might sound like we are going on @ you to get her fixed, but
please understand that we only have both yours and your cat's welfare
@ heart here. Each litter makes an extra litter that won't get homed
at a shelter. It is not against you personally. I hope that you do get
her fixed though (& this is coming from an ex breeder of Ragdolls &
I have to admit that the injections do sound quite expensive, but then
again, I live in the UK where the only injections that are really
essential are the flu jabs. We don't need rabies, or any other of the
shots that you might do, & that would explain the difference in the
price between our Countries. I would urge you to get them done though.
My reason for asking you to, is because however well intentioned we
are, accidents do happen. What if your baby were to escape, only to be
bitten by a rabid dog?
1: you would never forgive yourself
2: I understand the reasons that you state, but is the price worth
loosing your cat?
I also agree with some vets extortionate fee's, but because 1 vet is
bad, we shouldn't class them all in the same category. My advise to
you is to talk to someone else who lives near you to discuss good
vets, then book her in. Marri comes from the same neck of the woods as
you do, so she might be able to recommend someone to you. This way,
you know that you are going to someone who has your cats welfare @
heart, rather than his cash flow.
I hope that this helped you to understand how it all works, ands why
Good Luck with getting her spayed, & the injections too. we would love
to hear how you got on as well, if you have the time to please?