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ensoul
December 6th 07, 12:35 AM
I wrote abt this before but, Moe & Rudy brothers - indoor cats &
fixed..there 3 yrs old and totally out of control..we got tham at the
age of 8 months from the SPCA they have never been in a home before
having been deserted on the road side as kittens and grew up in the
SPCA

of coarse they were litter trained but I had house train them too,
stay out of garbage, kitceh counters are off limits, as is the stove,
bathtub, and one counter in the living room..they learned quickly, had
to be reminded a few times

a year and 5 months ago my husband died huge change there for them and
they were so loving with me...then my daughter & granddaughter moved
in for what was supposed to be a one month stay turned into 4 months,
Moe loved my granddaughter who was 2 1/2 and Rudy hated
her...Mackenzie had trouble telling them apart they do look alike

now it's 5 months later its been just me again
Moe every night goes to my double door that lead to a balconey (they
aren't allwoed out there as they would jump down) goes nuts and
straches at the glass for 15 - 20 minutes! they won't stay out of the
cupboards..I don't want them in w/my cooking stuuf, pot &
pans..they're long hair and shed like
crazy

then go to the sliding doors in the bathtub and starch like crazy on
those that makes a loud rattling noise

they wack at all the closet doors...yes I let then get in one...I know
cats need their hiddie holes

and Moe goes around meowing all the time! they openly jump on the
kicthen counters with me around so far I have; tried a squirt gun,
coffee can w/stones and a sharp no, just plan yelling

now they have taken to stealing my winter stuff hats & mittins ...may
sound funny but I can't afford to replace them

they have many toys, I rotate them...a tall tiered climbing thing they
love espically since I moved it in the spare bedroom in front of the
window, I only have 4 windows in my place all put one have easy access
for them and one that can't use is in my bedroom

I got them a lower cimbing thingie has swing on it, holes they can pop
in out of

they get lots of love, lots of play..thier appetiete is good, they
look healthy, no prob in the kitty litter area

I know many here are agnst outdoors for cats but I thing these guys
need it, can't though its ground for eviction

they're big and when on their hind legs (they do that a lot too) they
reach 33 inches and weigh in at 16 lbs a piece..vet says they're
healthy

I think they need more space I live in a tiny 2 bdrm place, can't
afford to move then again what do they know abt space this is their
only home

Rudy has started something new hissing at ppl and I was one of them!
the kid next door wanted to meet them Thomas knows cats they have
2..he talked to Rudy first let him sniff him out, Rudy showed no signs
of getting angry Thomas was petting under his chin a fav spot then he
hissed and tried to take a swipe at him...then 10 minutes later he
came right to Thomas and was his buddy!

Rudy hissed at me once when I picked him cuz he was on my papers, I
was sweet tlaking him too...two other times he's taken a swipe at me!

whats with that? and Moe going around meowing all the time! they run
non-stop chasing each other and will do it for hours & knocking things
down, drives me nuts

feliway didn't help neither did rescue remedy...my daughters friend
says she'll take them both...Rose as large fenced in yard too

I don't know what to do anymore

I love them dearly but I need help..vets says they're just normal
active cats, that some cats are more active than others...what abt the
acting out? he says normal too....they're so loud at night I where ear
plugs...they're allowed in my bedroom when I sleep

when I go to bed a radio and a light is left on, same when I leave
the apartment....my late husband (hate that word late, why can't just
use died) thought 2 cats would be better since he was in and out of
the hosp. so much they'd have company when were gone...I'd only leave
for a night after that friends or family would take care of them put
that was awhile ago

ensoul

I want Carl Sagan to explain the sky to me.
~Whoopi Goldberg

honeybunch
December 6th 07, 01:02 AM
On Dec 5, 7:35 pm, ensoul > wrote:
> I wrote abt this before but, Moe & Rudy brothers - indoor cats &
> fixed..there 3 yrs old and totally out of control..we got tham at the
> age of 8 months from the SPCA they have never been in a home before
> having been deserted on the road side as kittens and grew up in the
> SPCA
>
> of coarse they were litter trained but I had house train them too,
> stay out of garbage, kitceh counters are off limits, as is the stove,
> bathtub, and one counter in the living room..they learned quickly, had
> to be reminded a few times
>
> a year and 5 months ago my husband died huge change there for them and
> they were so loving with me...then my daughter & granddaughter moved
> in for what was supposed to be a one month stay turned into 4 months,
> Moe loved my granddaughter who was 2 1/2 and Rudy hated
> her...Mackenzie had trouble telling them apart they do look alike
>
> now it's 5 months later its been just me again
> Moe every night goes to my double door that lead to a balconey (they
> aren't allwoed out there as they would jump down) goes nuts and
> straches at the glass for 15 - 20 minutes! they won't stay out of the
> cupboards..I don't want them in w/my cooking stuuf, pot &
> pans..they're long hair and shed like
> crazy
>
> then go to the sliding doors in the bathtub and starch like crazy on
> those that makes a loud rattling noise
>
> they wack at all the closet doors...yes I let then get in one...I know
> cats need their hiddie holes
>
> and Moe goes around meowing all the time! they openly jump on the
> kicthen counters with me around so far I have; tried a squirt gun,
> coffee can w/stones and a sharp no, just plan yelling
>
> now they have taken to stealing my winter stuff hats & mittins ...may
> sound funny but I can't afford to replace them
>
> they have many toys, I rotate them...a tall tiered climbing thing they
> love espically since I moved it in the spare bedroom in front of the
> window, I only have 4 windows in my place all put one have easy access
> for them and one that can't use is in my bedroom
>
> I got them a lower cimbing thingie has swing on it, holes they can pop
> in out of
>
> they get lots of love, lots of play..thier appetiete is good, they
> look healthy, no prob in the kitty litter area
>
> I know many here are agnst outdoors for cats but I thing these guys
> need it, can't though its ground for eviction
>
> they're big and when on their hind legs (they do that a lot too) they
> reach 33 inches and weigh in at 16 lbs a piece..vet says they're
> healthy
>
> I think they need more space I live in a tiny 2 bdrm place, can't
> afford to move then again what do they know abt space this is their
> only home
>
> Rudy has started something new hissing at ppl and I was one of them!
> the kid next door wanted to meet them Thomas knows cats they have
> 2..he talked to Rudy first let him sniff him out, Rudy showed no signs
> of getting angry Thomas was petting under his chin a fav spot then he
> hissed and tried to take a swipe at him...then 10 minutes later he
> came right to Thomas and was his buddy!
>
> Rudy hissed at me once when I picked him cuz he was on my papers, I
> was sweet tlaking him too...two other times he's taken a swipe at me!
>
> whats with that? and Moe going around meowing all the time! they run
> non-stop chasing each other and will do it for hours & knocking things
> down, drives me nuts
>
> feliway didn't help neither did rescue remedy...my daughters friend
> says she'll take them both...Rose as large fenced in yard too
>
> I don't know what to do anymore
>
> I love them dearly but I need help..vets says they're just normal
> active cats, that some cats are more active than others...what abt the
> acting out? he says normal too....they're so loud at night I where ear
> plugs...they're allowed in my bedroom when I sleep
>
> when I go to bed a radio and a light is left on, same when I leave
> the apartment....my late husband (hate that word late, why can't just
> use died) thought 2 cats would be better since he was in and out of
> the hosp. so much they'd have company when were gone...I'd only leave
> for a night after that friends or family would take care of them put
> that was awhile ago
>
> ensoul
>
> I want Carl Sagan to explain the sky to me.
> ~Whoopi Goldberg

This is such a sad story. I feel you are still grieving for your
husband. The cats sound normal for young cats but I think you would
like to be alone now. Perhaps you could keep just Rudy and give Moe
to Rose. Or give them both to Rose and adopt an older cat from the
SPCA.

bookie
December 6th 07, 01:33 AM
On Dec 6, 12:35 am, ensoul > wrote:
> I wrote abt this before but, Moe & Rudy brothers - indoor cats &
> fixed..there 3 yrs old and totally out of control..we got tham at the
> age of 8 months from the SPCA they have never been in a home before
> having been deserted on the road side as kittens and grew up in the
> SPCA
>
> of coarse they were litter trained but I had house train them too,
> stay out of garbage, kitceh counters are off limits, as is the stove,
> bathtub, and one counter in the living room..they learned quickly, had
> to be reminded a few times
>
> a year and 5 months ago my husband died huge change there for them and
> they were so loving with me...then my daughter & granddaughter moved
> in for what was supposed to be a one month stay turned into 4 months,
> Moe loved my granddaughter who was 2 1/2 and Rudy hated
> her...Mackenzie had trouble telling them apart they do look alike
>
> now it's 5 months later its been just me again
> Moe every night goes to my double door that lead to a balconey (they
> aren't allwoed out there as they would jump down) goes nuts and
> straches at the glass for 15 - 20 minutes! they won't stay out of the
> cupboards..I don't want them in w/my cooking stuuf, pot &
> pans..they're long hair and shed like
> crazy
>
> then go to the sliding doors in the bathtub and starch like crazy on
> those that makes a loud rattling noise
>
> they wack at all the closet doors...yes I let then get in one...I know
> cats need their hiddie holes
>
> and Moe goes around meowing all the time! they openly jump on the
> kicthen counters with me around so far I have; tried a squirt gun,
> coffee can w/stones and a sharp no, just plan yelling
>
> now they have taken to stealing my winter stuff hats & mittins ...may
> sound funny but I can't afford to replace them
>
> they have many toys, I rotate them...a tall tiered climbing thing they
> love espically since I moved it in the spare bedroom in front of the
> window, I only have 4 windows in my place all put one have easy access
> for them and one that can't use is in my bedroom
>
> I got them a lower cimbing thingie has swing on it, holes they can pop
> in out of
>
> they get lots of love, lots of play..thier appetiete is good, they
> look healthy, no prob in the kitty litter area
>
> I know many here are agnst outdoors for cats but I thing these guys
> need it, can't though its ground for eviction
>
> they're big and when on their hind legs (they do that a lot too) they
> reach 33 inches and weigh in at 16 lbs a piece..vet says they're
> healthy
>
> I think they need more space I live in a tiny 2 bdrm place, can't
> afford to move then again what do they know abt space this is their
> only home
>
> Rudy has started something new hissing at ppl and I was one of them!
> the kid next door wanted to meet them Thomas knows cats they have
> 2..he talked to Rudy first let him sniff him out, Rudy showed no signs
> of getting angry Thomas was petting under his chin a fav spot then he
> hissed and tried to take a swipe at him...then 10 minutes later he
> came right to Thomas and was his buddy!
>
> Rudy hissed at me once when I picked him cuz he was on my papers, I
> was sweet tlaking him too...two other times he's taken a swipe at me!
>
> whats with that? and Moe going around meowing all the time! they run
> non-stop chasing each other and will do it for hours & knocking things
> down, drives me nuts
>
> feliway didn't help neither did rescue remedy...my daughters friend
> says she'll take them both...Rose as large fenced in yard too
>
> I don't know what to do anymore
>
> I love them dearly but I need help..vets says they're just normal
> active cats, that some cats are more active than others...what abt the
> acting out? he says normal too....they're so loud at night I where ear
> plugs...they're allowed in my bedroom when I sleep
>
> when I go to bed a radio and a light is left on, same when I leave
> the apartment....my late husband (hate that word late, why can't just
> use died) thought 2 cats would be better since he was in and out of
> the hosp. so much they'd have company when were gone...I'd only leave
> for a night after that friends or family would take care of them put
> that was awhile ago
>
> ensoul
>
> I want Carl Sagan to explain the sky to me.
> ~Whoopi Goldberg

I think you must do what is probably the best thing for them and let
your friend Rose take them both, she has a yard/garden where they will
be able to run around and let off steam and have their own space each.
if you do still want a feline companion then consider giving a home to
one of the many older cats of which there are so many in the rescue
shelters desperate for a new home. and older cat will be much calmer
and they so need a home.

much as you probably do not want to give up either rudy or moe it
seems as though they are not too happy with the current situation,
your place is prob too small for them both, it would be the best
thing for everyone concerned if you gave them to your friend rose to
look after.

hope it works out

bookie

IBen Getiner
December 6th 07, 11:26 AM
On Dec 5, 7:35 pm, ensoul > wrote:
> I wrote abt this before but, Moe & Rudy brothers - indoor cats &
> fixed..there 3 yrs old and totally out of control..we got tham at the
> age of 8 months from the SPCA they have never been in a home before
> having been deserted on the road side as kittens and grew up in the
> SPCA
>
> of coarse they were litter trained but I had house train them too,
> stay out of garbage, kitceh counters are off limits, as is the stove,
> bathtub, and one counter in the living room..they learned quickly, had
> to be reminded a few times
>
> a year and 5 months ago my husband died huge change there for them and
> they were so loving with me...then my daughter & granddaughter moved
> in for what was supposed to be a one month stay turned into 4 months,
> Moe loved my granddaughter who was 2 1/2 and Rudy hated
> her...Mackenzie had trouble telling them apart they do look alike
>
> now it's 5 months later its been just me again
> Moe every night goes to my double door that lead to a balconey (they
> aren't allwoed out there as they would jump down) goes nuts and
> straches at the glass for 15 - 20 minutes! they won't stay out of the
> cupboards..I don't want them in w/my cooking stuuf, pot &
> pans..they're long hair and shed like
> crazy
>
> then go to the sliding doors in the bathtub and starch like crazy on
> those that makes a loud rattling noise
>
> they wack at all the closet doors...yes I let then get in one...I know
> cats need their hiddie holes
>
> and Moe goes around meowing all the time! they openly jump on the
> kicthen counters with me around so far I have; tried a squirt gun,
> coffee can w/stones and a sharp no, just plan yelling
>
> now they have taken to stealing my winter stuff hats & mittins ...may
> sound funny but I can't afford to replace them
>
> they have many toys, I rotate them...a tall tiered climbing thing they
> love espically since I moved it in the spare bedroom in front of the
> window, I only have 4 windows in my place all put one have easy access
> for them and one that can't use is in my bedroom
>
> I got them a lower cimbing thingie has swing on it, holes they can pop
> in out of
>
> they get lots of love, lots of play..thier appetiete is good, they
> look healthy, no prob in the kitty litter area
>
> I know many here are agnst outdoors for cats but I thing these guys
> need it, can't though its ground for eviction
>
> they're big and when on their hind legs (they do that a lot too) they
> reach 33 inches and weigh in at 16 lbs a piece..vet says they're
> healthy
>
> I think they need more space I live in a tiny 2 bdrm place, can't
> afford to move then again what do they know abt space this is their
> only home
>
> Rudy has started something new hissing at ppl and I was one of them!
> the kid next door wanted to meet them Thomas knows cats they have
> 2..he talked to Rudy first let him sniff him out, Rudy showed no signs
> of getting angry Thomas was petting under his chin a fav spot then he
> hissed and tried to take a swipe at him...then 10 minutes later he
> came right to Thomas and was his buddy!
>
> Rudy hissed at me once when I picked him cuz he was on my papers, I
> was sweet tlaking him too...two other times he's taken a swipe at me!
>
> whats with that? and Moe going around meowing all the time! they run
> non-stop chasing each other and will do it for hours & knocking things
> down, drives me nuts
>
> feliway didn't help neither did rescue remedy...my daughters friend
> says she'll take them both...Rose as large fenced in yard too
>
> I don't know what to do anymore
>
> I love them dearly but I need help..vets says they're just normal
> active cats, that some cats are more active than others...what abt the
> acting out? he says normal too....they're so loud at night I where ear
> plugs...they're allowed in my bedroom when I sleep
>
> when I go to bed a radio and a light is left on, same when I leave
> the apartment....my late husband (hate that word late, why can't just
> use died) thought 2 cats would be better since he was in and out of
> the hosp. so much they'd have company when were gone...I'd only leave
> for a night after that friends or family would take care of them put
> that was awhile ago
>
> ensoul
>
> I want Carl Sagan to explain the sky to me.
> ~Whoopi Goldberg

I got news for you lady.... YOU are a ****ing MORON. You let the cats
sleep with you and then you got the nerve to complain about it!
LOL....!!!! Where the hell do people like you come from? Who breeds
you people with the one-way brains to be so frigging STUPID...?!
LOL...!!!!!
Can't say 'NO', ehh momma....? What if your cat started to eat you...?
Would you just allow it to go on? Look.... Why don't you just sleep in
the friggin' car and let the damned animals have free reign of your
entire house...? No ****ing wonder your old man checked out. Having to
live with this couldn't be easy. He probably couldn't sleep either,
but what could he say about it...? When it comes to women, kooks
usually ruled the roost.
Do yourself (and us all) a big, big favor.... Seek physiatrist help.
A person who doesn't even have ground-floor instinct to save
themselves needs all the help they can get. We certainly can't help
someone like you here. That's a given....


IBen Getiner

ensoul
December 8th 07, 02:38 AM
On Dec 5, 8:33�pm, bookie > wrote:
> On Dec 6, 12:35 am, ensoul > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I wrote abt this before but, Moe & Rudy brothers - indoor cats &
> > fixed..there 3 yrs old and totally out of control..we got tham at the
> > age of 8 months from the SPCA they have never been in a home before
> > having been deserted on the road side as kittens and grew up in the
> > SPCA
>
> > of coarse they were litter trained but I had house train them too,
> > stay out of garbage, kitceh counters are off limits, as is the stove,
> > bathtub, and one counter in the living room..they learned quickly, had
> > to be reminded a few times
>
> > a year and 5 months ago my husband died huge change there for them and
> > they were so loving with me...then my daughter & granddaughter moved
> > in for what was supposed to be a one month stay turned into 4 months,
> > Moe loved my granddaughter who was 2 1/2 and Rudy hated
> > her...Mackenzie had trouble telling them apart they do look alike
>
> > now it's 5 months later its been just me again
> > Moe every night goes to my double door that lead to a balconey (they
> > aren't allwoed out there as they would jump down) goes nuts and
> > straches at the glass for 15 - 20 minutes! �they won't stay out of the
> > cupboards..I don't want them in w/my cooking stuuf, pot &
> > pans..they're long hair and shed like
> > crazy
>
> > then go to the sliding doors in the bathtub and starch like crazy on
> > those that makes a loud rattling noise
>
> > they wack at all the closet doors...yes I let then get in one...I know
> > cats need their hiddie holes
>
> > and Moe goes around meowing all the time! �they openly jump on the
> > kicthen counters with me around so far I have; tried a squirt gun,
> > coffee can w/stones and a sharp no, just plan yelling
>
> > now they have taken to stealing my winter stuff hats & mittins ...may
> > sound funny but I can't afford to replace them
>
> > they have many toys, I rotate them...a tall tiered climbing thing they
> > love �espically since I moved it in the spare bedroom in front of the
> > window, I only have 4 windows in my place all put one have easy access
> > for them and one that can't use is in my bedroom
>
> > I got them a lower cimbing thingie has swing on it, holes they can pop
> > in out of
>
> > they get lots of love, lots of play..thier appetiete is good, they
> > look healthy, no prob in the kitty litter area
>
> > I know many here are agnst outdoors for cats but I thing these guys
> > need it, can't though its ground for eviction
>
> > they're big and when on their hind legs (they do that a lot too) they
> > reach 33 inches and weigh in at 16 lbs a piece..vet says they're
> > healthy
>
> > I think they need more space I live in a tiny 2 bdrm place, can't
> > afford to move then again what do they know abt space this is their
> > only home
>
> > Rudy has started something new hissing at ppl and I was one of them!
> > the kid next door wanted to meet them Thomas knows cats they have
> > 2..he talked to Rudy first let him sniff him out, Rudy showed no signs
> > of getting angry Thomas was petting under his chin a fav spot then he
> > hissed and tried to take a swipe at him...then 10 minutes later he
> > came right to Thomas and was his buddy!
>
> > Rudy hissed at me once when I picked him cuz he was on my papers, I
> > was sweet tlaking him too...two other times he's taken a swipe at me!
>
> > whats with that? �and Moe going around meowing all the time! �they run
> > non-stop chasing each other and will do it for hours & knocking things
> > down, drives me nuts
>
> > feliway didn't help neither did rescue remedy...my daughters friend
> > says she'll take them both...Rose as large fenced in yard too
>
> > I don't know what to do anymore
>
> > I love them dearly but I need help..vets says they're just normal
> > active cats, that some cats are more active than others...what abt the
> > acting out? he says normal too....they're so loud at night I where ear
> > plugs...they're allowed in my bedroom when I sleep
>
> > when I go to bed a radio �and a light is left on, same when I leave
> > the apartment....my late husband (hate that word late, why can't just
> > use died) thought 2 cats would be better since he was in and out of
> > the hosp. so much they'd have company when were gone...I'd only leave
> > for a night after that friends or family would take care of them put
> > that was awhile ago
>
> > ensoul
>
> > I want Carl Sagan to explain the sky to me.
> > ~Whoopi Goldberg
>
> I think you must do what is probably the best thing for them and let
> your friend Rose take them both, she has a yard/garden where they will
> be able to run around and let off steam and have their own space each.
> if you do still want a feline companion then consider giving a home to
> one of the many older cats of which there are so many in the rescue
> shelters desperate for a new home. and older cat will be much calmer
> and they so need a home.
>
> much as you probably do not want to give up either rudy or moe it
> seems as though they are not too happy with the current situation,
> your place is prob too small for them both, �it would be the best
> thing for everyone concerned if you gave them to your friend rose to
> look after.
>
> hope it works out
>
> bookie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

only prob with Rose is that has 2 young boys and they are wild...I
don't mean just kid stuff...my 8 year old grandson, Julius can get
wound up but those boys make him look like a prefect child and there's
no such animal

I couldn'et seperate them Moe & Rudy have been together their whole
life (they're brothers) even when they lived at the SPCA they were
kept in the same cage

I do love Moe & Rudy...I had wanted 2 older cats & short hairs (i
never get kittens) always get them from the SPCA but they were the
last thing (I know cats aren't things) my husband got for me and I
fell in love with them

ensoul