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sandy58
March 18th 08, 07:50 AM
Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
TIA.

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 10:20 AM
sandy58 formulated on Tuesday :
> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> TIA.

My grandmother used to put very small sticks in newly sowed soil at
different angles to prevent the cats from squatting down. She also
filled bottles with water and laid them on the flower beds, I think the
intention was that the cat would get scared by the reflection in it's
eyes.

There was one Ginger Tom who would cross her lawn each day and would
stop and stare at her through the window. She would bang the window
and the Tom would not move until she opened the door to shoo him on his
way, they are clever and he did this to get back at her.

I believe in garden centres and hardware stores you can purchase a type
of gel that disuades the cat from going where it is not wanted.

--
Count Baldoni

deja.blues[_2_]
March 18th 08, 11:18 AM
"sandy58" > wrote in message
...
> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> TIA.

Keep it inside.

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 11:25 AM
deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
> "sandy58" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>> TIA.
>
> Keep it inside.

But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go
out at some point. It is only natural.

--
Count Baldoni

sandy58
March 18th 08, 11:38 AM
On Mar 18, 10:20 am, Baldoni > wrote:
> sandy58 formulated on Tuesday :
>
> > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> > TIA.
>
> My grandmother used to put very small sticks in newly sowed soil at
> different angles to prevent the cats from squatting down. She also
> filled bottles with water and laid them on the flower beds, I think the
> intention was that the cat would get scared by the reflection in it's
> eyes.
>
> There was one Ginger Tom who would cross her lawn each day and would
> stop and stare at her through the window. She would bang the window
> and the Tom would not move until she opened the door to shoo him on his
> way, they are clever and he did this to get back at her.
>
> I believe in garden centres and hardware stores you can purchase a type
> of gel that disuades the cat from going where it is not wanted.
>
> --
> Count Baldoni

The water bottles worked for us in South Africa with dogs but I didn't
know about cats. I'll set out a few of them too. Thanks, Count
Baldoni. :-)

sandy58
March 18th 08, 11:39 AM
On Mar 18, 11:18 am, "deja.blues" > wrote:
> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> > TIA.
>
> Keep it inside.

Yeah, RIGHT!

sandy58
March 18th 08, 11:42 AM
On Mar 18, 10:20 am, Baldoni > wrote:
> sandy58 formulated on Tuesday :
>
> > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> > TIA.
>
> My grandmother used to put very small sticks in newly sowed soil at
> different angles to prevent the cats from squatting down. She also
> filled bottles with water and laid them on the flower beds, I think the
> intention was that the cat would get scared by the reflection in it's
> eyes.
>
> There was one Ginger Tom who would cross her lawn each day and would
> stop and stare at her through the window. She would bang the window
> and the Tom would not move until she opened the door to shoo him on his
> way, they are clever and he did this to get back at her.
>
> I believe in garden centres and hardware stores you can purchase a type
> of gel that disuades the cat from going where it is not wanted.
>
> --
> Count Baldoni

I have just been to the garden centre locally & bought a spray. I took
it to the neighbour in question. She showed me her deterent, the only
alternative I saw in the garden centre. So she has both. Hopefully the
wee beastie will stay out of there. :-)

cybercat
March 18th 08, 04:08 PM
"Baldoni" > wrote in message
...
> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>> TIA.
>>
>> Keep it inside.
>
> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
> at some point. It is only natural.
>
Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.

If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 06:39 PM
cybercat has brought this to us :
> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
> ...
>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Keep it inside.
>>
>> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
>> at some point. It is only natural.
>>
> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
> cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
> squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
> the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>
> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
> cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
> a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.

There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your
animals then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living
outdoors when they were first employed by humans.

--
Count Baldoni

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 06:40 PM
sandy58 pretended :
> On Mar 18, 10:20 am, Baldoni > wrote:
>> sandy58 formulated on Tuesday :
>>
>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>> TIA.
>>
>> My grandmother used to put very small sticks in newly sowed soil at
>> different angles to prevent the cats from squatting down. She also
>> filled bottles with water and laid them on the flower beds, I think the
>> intention was that the cat would get scared by the reflection in it's
>> eyes.
>>
>> There was one Ginger Tom who would cross her lawn each day and would
>> stop and stare at her through the window. She would bang the window
>> and the Tom would not move until she opened the door to shoo him on his
>> way, they are clever and he did this to get back at her.
>>
>> I believe in garden centres and hardware stores you can purchase a type
>> of gel that disuades the cat from going where it is not wanted.
>>
>> --
>> Count Baldoni
>
> I have just been to the garden centre locally & bought a spray. I took
> it to the neighbour in question. She showed me her deterent, the only
> alternative I saw in the garden centre. So she has both. Hopefully the
> wee beastie will stay out of there. :-)

Hopefully all will turn out well and it will work out well for all
parties. Nice that you were both able to discuss this. :-)

--
Count Baldoni

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 06:45 PM
cybercat brought next idea :
> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
> ...
>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Keep it inside.
>>
>> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
>> at some point. It is only natural.
>>
> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
> cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
> squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
> the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>
> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
> cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
> a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.

I am old enough to remember when my grandfather kept a boxing kangeroo
around the house, pigs and a couple of camels. The camels were no
problem but having seen what the pigs and the kangeroo did to the
gardens I doubt very much I will need to come here in the future asking
questions about a roaming cat !

--
Count Baldoni

March 18th 08, 07:40 PM
Baldoni > wrote:

>cybercat has brought this to us :
>> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>>>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>>>> TIA.
>>>>
>>>> Keep it inside.
>>>
>>> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
>>> at some point. It is only natural.
>>>
>> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
>> cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
>> squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
>> the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>>
>> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
>> cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
>> a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.
>
>There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your
>animals then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living
>outdoors when they were first employed by humans.

So just tell your neighbor that when your cat ****s in his flowers.

mc
March 18th 08, 08:20 PM
Just for the record... I only ever had one cat in many, many years
that showed any real desire to go outside. She indicated to us that
she wanted to be outside by trying to run out every time we opened the
door.

She got out ONCE, and only once, and I did feel badly that we had to
keep her contained, because she so wanted to be outside.

On that one occassion she caught a Tufted Titmouse (a lovely little
song bird that we feed at our feeders), and she accomplished this task
within ten minutes of getting outside. Don't ask me how... but she
managed it! Pretty smart cat I think!

When she came back to the front to be let inside she had the bird in
her mouth.

She meowed to be let inside and the bird flew away luckily, unharmed.

Other than that one cat I have never had a cat that ever had any
desire to go out.

mc
March 18th 08, 08:21 PM
Sorry to keep the post going; I just had to ad that...

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 08:31 PM
mc explained :
> Sorry to keep the post going; I just had to ad that...

Why be sorry this is the last bastion of free speech left in the world.
If you believe in your words then don't be ashamed to pipe up. I like
to think if someone does not agree then they should have the level of
intelligence to ignore the posts.

--
Count Baldoni

Baldoni[_8_]
March 18th 08, 08:40 PM
on 18/03/2008, supposed :
> Baldoni > wrote:
>
>> cybercat has brought this to us :
>>> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>>>>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep it inside.
>>>>
>>>> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
>>>> at some point. It is only natural.
>>>>
>>> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with
>>> indoor cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the
>>> bird and squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or
>>> stand at the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>>>
>>> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at
>>> the cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how
>>> to stop a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.
>>
>> There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your
>> animals then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living
>> outdoors when they were first employed by humans.
>
> So just tell your neighbor that when your cat ****s in his flowers.

I can tell you something. I adopted a young "silver spotted" who
previously lived solely indoors and was not provided with a litter
tray/box. So he **** and ****ed in the bath and it stank to high
heaven. Now he can go out he loves it and he has even got into the
habit of going to **** outside and that pleases me very much. However
it is my land that he uses as a toilet and I don't mind one iota or
jot.

--
Count Baldoni

cshenk
March 18th 08, 08:45 PM
Sandy, only note is if it is a food garden, to be sure it's a safe chemical
for the plants. There are some that are! Others are toxic and wil be
absorbed by the food plants. If it's a flower garden, not an issue <g>.

I have heard some home remedies using safe products, but am not sure how
effective they are. One of them was so hairbrained, I can tell it will not
work but just for chuckles, here is that one (grin). Put a light sprinkle
of dry catfood in there. Cat is supposed to associate this now with a food
place and wont use it as a latrine. (No, it doesnt work, but it was pretty
funny!).

sandy58
March 18th 08, 09:25 PM
On Mar 18, 4:08 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
>
> ...> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
> >> "sandy58" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> >>> TIA.
>
> >> Keep it inside.
>
> > But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
> > at some point. It is only natural.
>
> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
> cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
> squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
> the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>
> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
> cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
> a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.

Up yours, jack. who made you da boss? because you have a cat now your
a cat specialist??? and I DON'T think. What's your problem? Anti-UK or
just Bolshi?
Try a bit harder Cyber-PUSS. :-)

sandy58
March 18th 08, 09:33 PM
On Mar 18, 7:02 pm, "Matthew" > wrote:
> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Mar 18, 11:18 am, "deja.blues" > wrote:
> >> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> >> > TIA.
>
> >> Keep it inside.
>
> > Yeah, RIGHT!
>
> try Google next time if you don't like the answer
>
> freaking newbie's always start this damn debate always happens

A newbie? hahahahahah What a sad bunny. So what did Santa NOT bring
you for that time of year? I think to be a real newbie re; cats I'd
have to be about 6 months old. And what "damn debate" did I start?
Bah! Humbug! Matt aka Scrooge.

cybercat
March 18th 08, 09:53 PM
"sandy58" > wrote in message
...
> On Mar 18, 4:08 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...> deja.blues wrote on
>> 18/03/2008 :
>> >> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>> >>> TIA.
>>
>> >> Keep it inside.
>>
>> > But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go
>> > out
>> > at some point. It is only natural.
>>
>> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with
>> indoor
>> cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
>> squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand
>> at
>> the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>>
>> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at
>> the
>> cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to
>> stop
>> a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.
>
> Up yours, jack. who made you da boss? because you have a cat now your
> a cat specialist??? and I DON'T think. What's your problem? Anti-UK or
> just Bolshi?
> Try a bit harder Cyber-PUSS. :-)

Nice comeback. My comment, of course, still stands. If you let the cat out,
then shut the **** up about what happens while the cat is out. And when the
cat is slaughtered by a dog or hit by a car, or infected from a wound in a
cat fight, or poisoned by a "not so nice" neighbor" don't come in here and
whine about it unless you want to get flamed then, too. Asshole.

sandy58
March 18th 08, 09:54 PM
On Mar 18, 4:08 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
>
> ...> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
> >> "sandy58" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> >>> TIA.
>
> >> Keep it inside.
>
> > But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
> > at some point. It is only natural.
>
> Bull****. It's an ingrained, UK specific fallacy, as those of us with indoor
> cats know. My cats have window perches from which they watch the bird and
> squirrels with great interest, but they *NEVER* try to get out or stand at
> the doors. And both used to be outdoor strays.
>
> If you are going to allow your cat to roam, understand that you do so at the
> cat's risk. And don't come in here asking stupid questions like, how to stop
> a roaming cat from eliminating in turned up soil.

"a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
bugger.

blkcatgal
March 18th 08, 11:55 PM
My one cat wants to go out all the time. And he is one that I have had
since he was 6 weeks old and he has never lived a day outside. Go figure.
I do let him out....completely supervised on a leash.

My other cat doesn't have much desire to go out.

S.
--
**Visit me and my cats at http://www.island-cats.com/ **
---
"mc" > wrote in message
...
> Just for the record... I only ever had one cat in many, many years
> that showed any real desire to go outside. She indicated to us that
> she wanted to be outside by trying to run out every time we opened the
> door.
>
> She got out ONCE, and only once, and I did feel badly that we had to
> keep her contained, because she so wanted to be outside.
>
> On that one occassion she caught a Tufted Titmouse (a lovely little
> song bird that we feed at our feeders), and she accomplished this task
> within ten minutes of getting outside. Don't ask me how... but she
> managed it! Pretty smart cat I think!
>
> When she came back to the front to be let inside she had the bird in
> her mouth.
>
> She meowed to be let inside and the bird flew away luckily, unharmed.
>
> Other than that one cat I have never had a cat that ever had any
> desire to go out.

Rhonda[_3_]
March 19th 08, 12:46 AM
sandy58 wrote:
>
> "a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
> You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
> I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
> bugger.

If she has a wife, she hasn't told us about it.

Rhonda

Rhonda[_3_]
March 19th 08, 12:54 AM
Baldoni wrote:
>
> There is no need to get so touchy. If you want to imprison your animals
> then that is up to you. But I hold that cats were living outdoors when
> they were first employed by humans.


BD, domestic cats were created by humans. They still have a few of the
big cat instincts, but we have created a species that relies on us for
safety.

If your cat is pooping in a garden, the neighbors cannot eat anything
grown in it. Cats have a bacteria in their feces that is pretty nasty.
Any cat poo composting has to be buried far away from anything growing
to be eaten.

If you choose to let your cat out, you must already understand the risks
-- so be it. But your cat cannot be allowed in other yards, that is just
not fair to your neighbors. I only see two solutions, you stay out with
your cat and bring him in when you come in, or build a cat fence. There
are several websites on how to build nice cat-proof enclosures.

We compromised by building cat balconies out a couple of our windows.
The balconies are completely enclosed with hardware cloth, but they
stick out from the house into the sun. The cats love them.

Rhonda

mc
March 19th 08, 01:05 AM
I do not expect someone else to follow my standards. The choice of
whether to let a cat go outside or to strictly be an indoor cat is a
very individual choice.

This is a public forum and everyone is entitled to their ideas and
feelings. This is a public forum (just reminding you again)!

I would never expect someone to agree absolutely with me.

For me it is a very personal choice... I keep my cats indoors because
it is such a f---ing painful experience when I lose a cat! I feel
absolutely totally responsible when one of my cats dies. I do not care
to go through that experience again if at all possible.

Therefore, my cats STAY INSIDE.

This forum seems to be about taking RESPONSIBILITY for your pet, never
a bad thing when you consider how many irresponsible caretakers are
out there.

It has been proven many times over that cats who are allowed outside
meet with early demises. Generally they enjoy about 1/4 - 1/2 the
lifespan of a cat that stays inside for its entire lifespan.

There are many good arguments for letting cats roam as well. Would
human beings want to be cooped up in a house all day?

However, If you post to this group knowing how everyone else feels
about the subject and you post a post in contrast to the groups belief
system, then you are only bringing wrath on yourself and you are doing
it at your own expense.

If you truly want to make a point, I do believe you HAVE TO BE
sensitive to others feelings. That is the ONLY way you are going to
get anywhere, successfully...

Mathew and Cybercat have every right to their ideas (more so than you,
a newbie!!!) and anyone who knowingly DISAGREES is only trying to stir
things up. Ridiculous. You have not accomplished ONE SINGLE THING
EXCEPT TO STIR UP HARD FEELINGS!!!

Do you feel better? Keep fighting... NO ONE WINS!!! NO ONE!!!! Except
perhaps the group who was already established to begin with!!! So tell
me, what have you gained???

mc
March 19th 08, 01:06 AM
AAA +++ Rhonda...

mc
March 19th 08, 02:22 AM
Hey Matthew,

I have nothing but respect for you! Cybercat too!

Every "regular" on this board has only the best interest of the cat in
mind, a refreshing switch. Cats have no voices. WE must be their
voices!

These vicious, ridiculous and unworthy attacks by sandy58 are absurd
and unfounded.

It seems to me that "sandy58" is just trying to stir things up and
cause trouble. Nothing more, nothing less. She is not gaining ANYTHING
but HARD FEELINGS with her "debate".

To make matters worse, it appears that she already has some knowledge
of the general feeling this board holds as far as this particular
subject is concerned. It really isn't as if she stumbled upon all of
this "accidentally".

I am so glad this world has people in it like you and Cybercat.

Thank you for sticking up for our voiceless friends. AMEN.

<chuckle> I do still have a lot to learn about these usenet (?)
groups... hehehe

But thank you for standing up for what you believe in.

mc
March 19th 08, 02:47 AM
On Mar 18, 3:31 pm, Baldoni > wrote:
> mc explained :
>
> > Sorry to keep the post going; I just had to ad that...
>
> Why be sorry this is the last bastion of free speech left in the world.
> If you believe in your words then don't be ashamed to pipe up. I like
> to think if someone does not agree then they should have the level of
> intelligence to ignore the posts.
>
> --
> Count Baldoni

Last bastion of free speech??? That is funny! I feel sorry for you if
you see it that way.

Count Baldoni, why don't you follow your own excellent advice?

I don't confuse free speech with courtesy and respect for other
peoples feelings, that is sure.

So when you adopted your "pride and joy 'silver spotted'" did you try
to litter box train him?

Truthfully, I have no real feeling either way --- I can respect
someones ideas about wanting a cat to be free. I have no ideas that my
way is better, but I do know that I feel such a tremendous loss when a
pet dies that I don't want to go through that again --- I am not
willing to risk it. Too many potential dangers to the cat.

I do know that a cats life span is greatly increased by keeping it
indoors, and I have not seen that cats "miss" being outside when they
are kept indoors.

The idea that cats "miss" being "out of doors" is a fallacy. Some cats
do want to be outside... but I believe it is more of a personality
thing with the cat than a standard to follow.

Anyway, just some food for thought...

mc
March 19th 08, 03:28 AM
<chuckles>

Sandy58 --- since when did someone have to be an english major to post
to a usenet group???

The last laugh is on you!!! You are the joke!

Everyone knows it but you!!! hahahaha

cybercat
March 19th 08, 03:45 AM
"sandy58" > wrote
> "a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
> You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
> I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
> bugger.

That would be definition #5 below. You provincial louts just kill me.

e·lim·i·nate /?'l?m??ne?t/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[i-lim-uh-neyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing. 1.to remove or get rid of, esp.
as being in some way undesirable: to eliminate risks; to eliminate hunger.
2.to omit, esp. as being unimportant or irrelevant; leave out: I have
eliminated all statistical tables, which are of interest only to the
specialist.
3.to remove from further consideration or competition, esp. by defeating in
a contest.
4.to eradicate or kill: to eliminate the enemy.
5.Physiology. to void or expel from an organism.
6.Mathematics. to remove (a quantity) from an equation by elimination.

Wendy
March 19th 08, 09:59 AM
"Baldoni" > wrote in message
...
> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>> TIA.
>>
>> Keep it inside.
>
> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
> at some point. It is only natural.
>
> --
> Count Baldoni
>
>

I just had to chime in after that comment.

Recently, after 4 years of being a happy indoor only cat, my Isabelle
decided she wanted out. It took her a week to accomplish this as I was being
as vigilant as possible at the door. However, I must confess that my keeping
a cat indoors techniques aren't up to snuff as they are unused with my other
two who would rather poke their eyes out with a stick then step foot
outside. I had just taken a bag of used litter out to the trash can and was
coming back in the door when she flew past like she had been fired from a
cannon and proceeded to disappear into the night. I searched outside for her
but she was gone. The next morning I searched the neighborhood again,
shaking a bag of food all the while, to no avail. She finally turned up
around 3:30 that afternoon. I was so relieved to hear her crying at the back
door. Fortunately she came home unscathed but must have scared the crap out
of herself because she hasn't asked to go out since.

Just because she wanted out doesn't mean she belongs out there. She tried it
and agrees with me.

W

mc
March 19th 08, 12:20 PM
I have to chime in one more time as well.

Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying
to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what
grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure.

I know that, along with everyone else on this board, that every single
one of "sandy58's" posts are filled with grammatical errors. How the
hell she dares to point fingers is beyond me. The only one she is
kidding is herself.

Grammatical errors? "Sandy58" has the grammar skills of a grade school
child. If she even went to High School she must have had a really
tough time of it!

WOW!!! Look who is calling the kettle black! Too funny!

Baldoni[_8_]
March 19th 08, 03:53 PM
After serious thinking Wendy wrote :
> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
> ...
>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>>>> TIA.
>>>
>>> Keep it inside.
>>
>> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go out
>> at some point. It is only natural.
>>
>> -- Count Baldoni
>>
>>
>
> I just had to chime in after that comment.
>
> Recently, after 4 years of being a happy indoor only cat, my Isabelle decided
> she wanted out. It took her a week to accomplish this as I was being as
> vigilant as possible at the door. However, I must confess that my keeping a
> cat indoors techniques aren't up to snuff as they are unused with my other
> two who would rather poke their eyes out with a stick then step foot outside.
> I had just taken a bag of used litter out to the trash can and was coming
> back in the door when she flew past like she had been fired from a cannon and
> proceeded to disappear into the night. I searched outside for her but she was
> gone. The next morning I searched the neighborhood again, shaking a bag of
> food all the while, to no avail. She finally turned up around 3:30 that
> afternoon. I was so relieved to hear her crying at the back door. Fortunately
> she came home unscathed but must have scared the crap out of herself because
> she hasn't asked to go out since.
>
> Just because she wanted out doesn't mean she belongs out there. She tried it
> and agrees with me.
>
> W

We had a problem where a cat was trying to get in through our door and
nothing would frighten him away. I noticed him a while ago with a
collar and came to the conclusion that he was crafty and pretending to
be a stray. I have seen a cat do this in the past.

--
Count Baldoni

cybercat
March 19th 08, 04:09 PM
"mc" > wrote in message
...
>I have to chime in one more time as well.
>
> Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying
> to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what
> grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure.
>

You know, that was about as interesting as she got for me. I actually
looked up "eliminate," thinking I was using it wrong. I would love to
know when I make mistakes, grammatically or otherwise. Makes
me a better writer, just like taking constructive criticism makes me
a better person.

Still, her poor cat. Bet she won't have it long. Also bet her "be fwee
wild fing" philosophy has more to do with her distaste for cleaning
the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping
and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right?

mc
March 19th 08, 04:41 PM
Said very well, actually ;-)

Baldoni[_8_]
March 19th 08, 06:48 PM
cybercat formulated the question :
> "mc" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I have to chime in one more time as well.
>>
>> Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying
>> to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what
>> grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure.
>>
>
> You know, that was about as interesting as she got for me. I actually
> looked up "eliminate," thinking I was using it wrong. I would love to
> know when I make mistakes, grammatically or otherwise. Makes
> me a better writer, just like taking constructive criticism makes me
> a better person.
>
> Still, her poor cat. Bet she won't have it long. Also bet her "be fwee
> wild fing" philosophy has more to do with her distaste for cleaning
> the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping
> and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right?

Maybe she thinks it is only right that her cat can go outside. A
contentious argument but not one worth getting agitated or obsessed
about. I don't care whether people keep their cats in or out that is
up to them, but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them
in and that is the general view.

--
Count Baldoni

mc
March 19th 08, 08:55 PM
But she got so inflamed when some persons on the board disagreed with
her. She really went off the deep end.

Rather than staying on the subject of her cat and her neighbors
garden, she began attacking a couple of people on this board with
issues that had nothing to do with her post.

These people she was attacking have been on this forum far longer than
she has. There is no way she is going to win this. She is clearly not
new to the newsgroups, so she surely should know better.

Then, in another post, not long afterward, she again tried to trash
one of the above mentioned members of this board... and lets see,
where did that get her???

I feel sorry for her cat based on her behavior on this forum... kind
of makes you wonder what sort of life the cat has. But I am not so
stupid as to think we can judge a persons true nature by one small
mishap on a forum, I still have to give her some sort of benefit of
the doubt. I don't think anyone is all bad.

But think about this for a moment. She is going to give her neighbor
something to put on said neighbors garden. Do these products ever
work? Not really. Believe you me, if it was that easy there would be
no issue at all. I cannot tell you how many times my husband and I
have tried to keep other pests out of the garden, from moles, to
rabbits, to woodchucks, to deer.

Maybe this "product" will work. I don't know what she purchased. But I
am guessing it will work about as well as any and all other advice I
have gotten over the years to keep other pests out of my garden.

On the other hand... think about it, really, how much damage could a
cat do in a garden? I can't believe too much. But then one does have
to respect their neighbors boundaries, too. I wonder what is going to
happen when this product she purchased fails to work?

It is absurd. She flew off the handle because some people disagreed
with her.

As far as the issue of keeping cats indoors or outdoors, I too, have
family members who always let their cats out. My neighbors up the road
from us do too.They go for a year or two, maybe three or four years
and oh, guess what? The cat gets hit by a car. For my own self,
though, I keep mine inside. I just don't want to lose them. We live in
the country, two miles from a fairly small town where there is not a
lot of traffic, but a quarter of a mile or so from here is a road that
leads to the next town and is a shortcut to a local highway, but it is
by no means a busy road. I don't think cars are such an issue over
this way. I never see dead cats on the side of the road, but we have
hunters here. The guy that lives behind us bow hunts all year around.
I would not trust these folks to not shoot a cat if given half a
chance. If you could see the number of deer around here that are found
with bows sticking through them, you would be horrified.

I can think of many, many other reasons to keep a cat inside. But I do
agree with you. It is your choice, and a lot of people choose to allow
their cats to roam. I personally am not going to change that. All I
can do is tell people why I keep MY cats inside. Hopefully they will
at least think about it.

mc
March 19th 08, 08:56 PM
Once again, sorry for the book... But I am really a peacemaker...
hehehe

cybercat
March 19th 08, 10:22 PM
"Matthew" > wrote
>
> I think Sandy is a guy but who really cares about a punk

I should have know she was a guy! lol



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cybercat
March 19th 08, 10:22 PM
"Baldoni" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat formulated the question :
>> "mc" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I have to chime in one more time as well.
>>>
>>> Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying
>>> to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what
>>> grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure.
>>>
>>
>> You know, that was about as interesting as she got for me. I actually
>> looked up "eliminate," thinking I was using it wrong. I would love to
>> know when I make mistakes, grammatically or otherwise. Makes
>> me a better writer, just like taking constructive criticism makes me
>> a better person.
>>
>> Still, her poor cat. Bet she won't have it long. Also bet her "be fwee
>> wild fing" philosophy has more to do with her distaste for cleaning
>> the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping
>> and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right?
>
> Maybe she thinks it is only right that her cat can go outside. A
> contentious argument but not one worth getting agitated or obsessed about.
> I don't care whether people keep their cats in or out that is up to them,
> but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them in and that is
> the general view.
>

Right.



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cybercat
March 19th 08, 10:23 PM
"mc" > wrote in message
...
> Once again, sorry for the book... But I am really a peacemaker...
> hehehe

hehe!

Mc, can you include a little snippest of the post to which you are replying,
so that those of us who don't read in a "tree" format can know who you are
responding to?



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mc
March 19th 08, 11:11 PM
Yes, I will do that from now on and thank you for the heads up, that
does make more sense. I find it confusing as well. This is all sort of
new to me yet.

That last post I posted I was responding to Baldoni. I was referring
to sandy's trying to attack you and Matthew... You guys did nothing
wrong but she got really bent out of shape over some advice she didn't
like.

No worry, everyone can see her for what she is - I bet she is a man,
LOL :-)

I got my newsreader up and running and am looking forward to working
with it ;-)

Wendy
March 19th 08, 11:47 PM
"Baldoni" > wrote in message
...
> After serious thinking Wendy wrote :
>> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>>>> "sandy58" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>
> We had a problem where a cat was trying to get in through our door and
> nothing would frighten him away. I noticed him a while ago with a collar
> and came to the conclusion that he was crafty and pretending to be a
> stray. I have seen a cat do this in the past.
>
> --
> Count Baldoni
>
>

Maybe he was trying to bum an extra supper - you know eat at home and then
play stray to get a second helping.

W

Outsider
March 20th 08, 12:59 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in news:47e18696$0$25989$88260bb3
@free.teranews.com:

>
> "Matthew" > wrote
>>
>
>
> I should have know she was a guy! lol
>
>
>


because?

Rhonda[_3_]
March 20th 08, 04:58 AM
Matthew wrote:
> "Rhonda" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>sandy58 wrote:
>>
>>>"a roaming cat from *eliminating* in turned up soil.
>>>You need English lessons, Cyber-PUSS! :-)
>>>I pity your wife...if you still have one. AND your cat, poor wee
>>>bugger.
>>
>>If she has a wife, she hasn't told us about it.
>>
>>Rhonda
>
> Could make a good movie out of that ;-)
>
> <evil grin>

Hmmm, I think "good" is in the eye of the beholder, and my eyes won't be
beholdin' this one, I can tell you that...

Rhonda :)

CatNipped[_2_]
March 20th 08, 01:56 PM
"Baldoni" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat formulated the question :
>> "mc" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I have to chime in one more time as well.
>>>
>>> Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying
>>> to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what
>>> grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure.
>>>
>>
>> You know, that was about as interesting as she got for me. I actually
>> looked up "eliminate," thinking I was using it wrong. I would love to
>> know when I make mistakes, grammatically or otherwise. Makes
>> me a better writer, just like taking constructive criticism makes me
>> a better person.
>>
>> Still, her poor cat. Bet she won't have it long. Also bet her "be fwee
>> wild fing" philosophy has more to do with her distaste for cleaning
>> the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping
>> and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right?
>
> Maybe she thinks it is only right that her cat can go outside. A
> contentious argument but not one worth getting agitated or obsessed about.
> I don't care whether people keep their cats in or out that is up to them,
> but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them in and that is
> the general view.

Just jumping in to comment...

It used to be the "general view" that the world was flat. It used to be the
"general view" that blood-letting was a cure for many illnesses. It used to
be the "general view" that the sun moon and stars revolved around the earth
which was the center of all creation.

The "general view" is never a good reason to believe something is good or
factual.

Just saying....

Hugs,

CatNipped

Baldoni[_8_]
March 20th 08, 02:52 PM
CatNipped formulated the question :
> "Baldoni" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cybercat formulated the question :
>>> "mc" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>I have to chime in one more time as well.
>>>>
>>>> Cybercat, I am still laughing about the fact that "sandy58" was trying
>>>> to point out some very minor grammatical error on your part - what
>>>> grammatical error it supposedly was, I am not even sure.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You know, that was about as interesting as she got for me. I actually
>>> looked up "eliminate," thinking I was using it wrong. I would love to
>>> know when I make mistakes, grammatically or otherwise. Makes
>>> me a better writer, just like taking constructive criticism makes me
>>> a better person.
>>>
>>> Still, her poor cat. Bet she won't have it long. Also bet her "be fwee
>>> wild fing" philosophy has more to do with her distaste for cleaning
>>> the litter box than any more noble purpose, hence the cat pooping
>>> and peeing in the neighbor's garden. Did I say that right?
>>
>> Maybe she thinks it is only right that her cat can go outside. A
>> contentious argument but not one worth getting agitated or obsessed about.
>> I don't care whether people keep their cats in or out that is up to them,
>> but where I come from it is considered cruel to keep them in and that is
>> the general view.
>
> Just jumping in to comment...
>
> It used to be the "general view" that the world was flat. It used to be the
> "general view" that blood-letting was a cure for many illnesses. It used to
> be the "general view" that the sun moon and stars revolved around the earth
> which was the center of all creation.
>
> The "general view" is never a good reason to believe something is good or
> factual.
>
> Just saying....
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the
feeling from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more
likely to be let outside in Europe than the USA. Why this is I don't
know ?

--
Count Baldoni

mc
March 20th 08, 04:26 PM
On Mar 20, 9:52 am, Baldoni > wrote:
> CatNipped formulated the question :
>

Catnipped, that was put really well.

Baldoni,

I don't necesarily think that it is true that people in the US are
more apt to keep their cats inside, but I could be wrong. I really
don't know.

I sure see a lot of "pet" cats out here in my neighborhood.

I think it is more likely, though, that on this forum - and probably
many other forums, because the people spending their time here really
care about the cats, as opposed to people who just keep them as pets,
so to speak, but may not have the cats very best interests at heart.

I hope that makes sense.

cybercat
March 20th 08, 04:43 PM
"Baldoni" > wrote
> No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling
> from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be let
> outside in Europe than the USA. Why this is I don't know ?
>

Me either. It can't be because UK folks like the convenience of
not dealing with the litterbox and justify this using the "be fwee
wild fing" nonsense.

What I do know is that inside, your cat is at the mercy of known
risks, outside, not so much. And the known risks are different.
Inside: getting a collar tangled up, trying for a high leap and
falling, maybe a housefire.

Outside? ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE. Including
other cats, dogs, people who will poison cats for pooping in
their gardens, people who enjoy hurting other living things, and
will actually torture and kill nice fat little tabbies, cars, and last but
not least--disease.




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Baldoni[_8_]
March 20th 08, 06:33 PM
mc formulated on Thursday :
> On Mar 20, 9:52 am, Baldoni > wrote:
>> CatNipped formulated the question :
>>
>
> Catnipped, that was put really well.
>
> Baldoni,
>
> I don't necesarily think that it is true that people in the US are
> more apt to keep their cats inside, but I could be wrong. I really
> don't know.
>
> I sure see a lot of "pet" cats out here in my neighborhood.
>
> I think it is more likely, though, that on this forum - and probably
> many other forums, because the people spending their time here really
> care about the cats, as opposed to people who just keep them as pets,
> so to speak, but may not have the cats very best interests at heart.
>
> I hope that makes sense.

Yes indeed it makes sense. Also America is a much larger country than
Britain and it would be impossible to work out here who lets there cats
in and out and so on.

--
Count Baldoni

rose ricciuto
March 20th 08, 10:58 PM
Try keeping your cat indoors and using a litter box - safer for the cat.

CatNipped[_2_]
March 21st 08, 02:48 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Baldoni" > wrote
>> No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling
>> from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be
>> let outside in Europe than the USA. Why this is I don't know ?
>>
>
> Me either. It can't be because UK folks like the convenience of
> not dealing with the litterbox and justify this using the "be fwee
> wild fing" nonsense.
>
> What I do know is that inside, your cat is at the mercy of known
> risks, outside, not so much. And the known risks are different.
> Inside: getting a collar tangled up, trying for a high leap and
> falling, maybe a housefire.
>
> Outside? ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE. Including
> other cats, dogs, people who will poison cats for pooping in
> their gardens, people who enjoy hurting other living things, and
> will actually torture and kill nice fat little tabbies, cars, and last but
> not least--disease.

Just heard yet another story on the news about a man setting a cat on fire
and leaving it to die in an apartment parking lot (he knew the owner, a
teenaged girl). At least we have fairly stiff felony cruelty laws here in
Texas, but that doesn't seem to stop the psychos (guess what, surprise,
surprise, he had previous assault convictions on his record).

Hugs,

CatNipped

> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

mc
March 21st 08, 03:22 PM
On Mar 21, 9:48 am, "CatNipped" > wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>
> .. .
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Baldoni" > wrote
> >> No problem at all. I guess it is a matter of choice. I get the feeling
> >> from reading posts on these feelings that the cat is more likely to be



Likewise, over here we had some kids abuse a cat and left it to die...
someone found it, miraculously, still alive... but the losers had cut
ears off the cat.

I just heard (via a flyer at the pet store I go to) that the cat has
since been adopted.

That is a lucky cat. Many are not as fortunate.

cshenk
March 21st 08, 06:10 PM
"mc" wrote

> Likewise, over here we had some kids abuse a cat and left it to die...
> someone found it, miraculously, still alive... but the losers had cut
> ears off the cat.
>
> I just heard (via a flyer at the pet store I go to) that the cat has
> since been adopted.
>
> That is a lucky cat. Many are not as fortunate.

True, which is why I tend to rescue facility pets.

mc
March 22nd 08, 12:24 AM
>
> True, which is why I tend to rescue facility pets.


AMEN :-)

I tend to prefer the adult rescues myself. I really don't mind not
having the joy of a kitten running around my house. I prefer to give a
needy adult cat a good home. I don't care what they look like; I am
all about their personalities.... for which they are abundant.

I prefer to take in strays as well... cats that really need a good
home.

Too many people out there seem to want to have kittens for their
"cuteness" and then grow tired of them.

The best cats I have ever had were strays.

Stan Brown
March 22nd 08, 12:28 PM
Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:45 GMT from Baldoni >:
> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
> > "sandy58" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
> >> TIA.
> >
> > Keep it inside.
>
> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go
> out at some point. It is only natural.

what's your point? It's natural for humans to squat naked in caves
and eat bugs, but that doesn't mean it's desirable.

Seriously, it is a myth that cats "need" to roam outside, and what
cats want doesn't always match what is best for them.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

Outsider
March 22nd 08, 01:58 PM
Stan Brown > wrote in
t:

> Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:45 GMT from Baldoni >:
>> deja.blues wrote on 18/03/2008 :
>> > "sandy58" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > m...
>> >> Urgent tips required as my neighbor is a nice person. :-)
>> >> TIA.
>> >
>> > Keep it inside.
>>
>> But what if the cat wants to go outdoors ? It will always want to go
>> out at some point. It is only natural.
>
> what's your point? It's natural for humans to squat naked in caves
> and eat bugs, but that doesn't mean it's desirable.
>
> Seriously, it is a myth that cats "need" to roam outside, and what
> cats want doesn't always match what is best for them.
>

Yeah, I want to eat 6 cheeseburgers with bacon and a gallon of ice-cream
each day but ....

mc
March 22nd 08, 04:18 PM
I don't know... I can't wait for Sandy58 to come back and try to post
again... Wait til she finds out the stuff she purchased at the store
doesn't work.

cshenk
March 22nd 08, 05:33 PM
"mc" wrote

>I don't know... I can't wait for Sandy58 to come back and try to post
> again... Wait til she finds out the stuff she purchased at the store
> doesn't work.

;-) Probably won't. Cats go where cats go. There's not really a whole lot
you can do about it when it comes to outdoor locations. Me, I'd just
consider it a little extra fertilizer and not worry about it!