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mc
April 14th 08, 11:54 PM
Since my last appointment with the veterinarian I have become even
more determined to feed my cats the best food out there. I am running
into a lot of interesting information, most of which is conflicting,
if not downright confusing.

Some statements, however, are stated as fact over and over.

Making my own cat food seems like the very best idea, once again, but
not very realistic. I wouldn't dare, despite all the good recipes out
there. Especially in light of the fact that there is quite a bit of
controversy over what it takes to get the PH correct in the urine of a
cat like Max.

I prefer to read studies in medical journals, and studies on urine PH
and cat nutrition are two entirely different issues.

I emailed Natura today to ask them specifically if their foods were
specifically formulated to maintain a healthy PH level in cats urine.
I got a brief letter from them stating that their foods ARE designed
to yield an average urine PH of 6.4 - 6.6.

This is one sentence from the email: "All of Natura's feline formulas
are formulated to produce a slightly acidic urine with the average
urine pH being 6.4-6.6."

Isn't it true that in order to make this claim they would have to have
done some research on this? I emailed them back asking if they have
the facts to back this statement up.

Does anyone else have any suggestions about what questions I should be
asking them?

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer.

cshenk
April 15th 08, 09:25 PM
"mc" wrote

> Since my last appointment with the veterinarian I have become even
> more determined to feed my cats the best food out there. I am running
> into a lot of interesting information, most of which is conflicting,
> if not downright confusing.

I know the feeling. Fortunately my cat is healthy and if she has a problem,
it's that she's a bit overweight but not terribly so. Oh, and a mild
recurrant problem with eat yeast infections but diet isnt related to that.

> Making my own cat food seems like the very best idea, once again, but
> not very realistic. I wouldn't dare, despite all the good recipes out
> there. Especially in light of the fact that there is quite a bit of
> controversy over what it takes to get the PH correct in the urine of a
> cat like Max.

I understand your pain <g>. It would be the best way to go, but you'd need
more info than most vets presumably can give. There is a chance your's
happens to be knowledgable on such, but he/she would be a relatively rare
one.

My 'vet' is a Banfield group with some 40 vets associated with it in the
local area and the specialists travel from one facility to the other on a
sort of scheduled basis. I needed to get my mixed beagle buddy to the one
who is a heart specialist so had to have an apointment at the day he was in
and with him. That, or travel to where he was working that day <g>. (Long
story short, a rescue dog just like my cat and like her, considered
'unadoptable' due to heartworn infestation with heart damage. Turns out,
he's a lucky fellow and damage is healing/healed).

The heart specialist was able to identify from our description, a nagging
but mild 'allergic' reaction to something we've been feeding him but was
honest and said he's not the one to help with that. He could only guess but
said it it got to be a problem, they'd hook me up with the one who works
mostly with that.

> I emailed Natura today to ask them specifically if their foods were
> specifically formulated to maintain a healthy PH level in cats urine.
> I got a brief letter from them stating that their foods ARE designed
> to yield an average urine PH of 6.4 - 6.6.
>
> This is one sentence from the email: "All of Natura's feline formulas
> are formulated to produce a slightly acidic urine with the average
> urine pH being 6.4-6.6."

Hehe form letter. You've reached tier one eschelon support. You need
closer to tier 3 but are unlikely to get it. (corporate secrets). I
suspect you will have better luck with a veterinary college.

> Isn't it true that in order to make this claim they would have to have
> done some research on this? I emailed them back asking if they have
> the facts to back this statement up.

Yes, but they dont have to tell you how to formulate your own pet food, or
their corporate secrets on how they do it.

Outsider
April 17th 08, 12:04 AM
"cshenk" > wrote in
:

> "mc" wrote
>
>> Since my last appointment with the veterinarian I have become even
>> more determined to feed my cats the best food out there. I am running
>> into a lot of interesting information, most of which is conflicting,
>> if not downright confusing.
>
> I know the feeling. Fortunately my cat is healthy and if she has a
> problem, it's that she's a bit overweight but not terribly so. Oh,
> and a mild recurrant problem with eat yeast infections but diet isnt
> related to that.
>
>> Making my own cat food seems like the very best idea, once again, but
>> not very realistic. I wouldn't dare, despite all the good recipes out
>> there. Especially in light of the fact that there is quite a bit of
>> controversy over what it takes to get the PH correct in the urine of
>> a cat like Max.
>
> I understand your pain <g>. It would be the best way to go, but you'd
> need more info than most vets presumably can give. There is a chance
> your's happens to be knowledgable on such, but he/she would be a
> relatively rare one.
>
> My 'vet' is a Banfield group with some 40 vets associated with it in
> the local area and the specialists travel from one facility to the
> other on a sort of scheduled basis. I needed to get my mixed beagle
> buddy to the one who is a heart specialist so had to have an
> apointment at the day he was in and with him. That, or travel to
> where he was working that day <g>. (Long story short, a rescue dog
> just like my cat and like her, considered 'unadoptable' due to
> heartworn infestation with heart damage. Turns out, he's a lucky
> fellow and damage is healing/healed).
>
> The heart specialist was able to identify from our description, a
> nagging but mild 'allergic' reaction to something we've been feeding
> him but was honest and said he's not the one to help with that. He
> could only guess but said it it got to be a problem, they'd hook me up
> with the one who works mostly with that.
>
>> I emailed Natura today to ask them specifically if their foods were
>> specifically formulated to maintain a healthy PH level in cats urine.
>> I got a brief letter from them stating that their foods ARE designed
>> to yield an average urine PH of 6.4 - 6.6.
>>
>> This is one sentence from the email: "All of Natura's feline
>> formulas are formulated to produce a slightly acidic urine with the
>> average urine pH being 6.4-6.6."
>
> Hehe form letter. You've reached tier one eschelon support. You need
> closer to tier 3 but are unlikely to get it. (corporate secrets). I
> suspect you will have better luck with a veterinary college.
>
>> Isn't it true that in order to make this claim they would have to
>> have done some research on this? I emailed them back asking if they
>> have the facts to back this statement up.
>
> Yes, but they dont have to tell you how to formulate your own pet
> food, or their corporate secrets on how they do it.
>
>
>
>


They don't have to back up anything since they never said it WORKS. They
only say it is _formulated_ to produce that pH level. There is no legal
promise in their statement. It just sounds nice.

If they said "Feeding a diet of wiz-zam canned food will produce a urine
pH of 6.5 in cats" that _might_ be another story.

So don't believe a word they didn't say

Andy

mc
April 17th 08, 01:00 AM
<<< They don't have to back up anything since they never said it
WORKS. They
only say it is _formulated_ to produce that pH level. There is no
legal
promise in their statement. It just sounds nice.

If they said "Feeding a diet of wiz-zam canned food will produce a
urine
pH of 6.5 in cats" that _might_ be another story. >>>

<<< So don't believe a word they didn't say >>>



OK! Thanks! I see!!! That makes sense. Thank you for sharing that. I
knew it was odd because the second email responded to my questions in
exactly the same way they answered the first.

That makes sense.

Thanks for clarifying that ;-)