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JohnR66
September 25th 08, 02:02 AM
Around 4:15pm today I notice Simon is in the hallway breathing very fast and
with a gurgling sound as if water on his lungs. I brought him on to the
couch and looked him over. After a bit he coughed up some white foamy
liquid. At 4:30 he was not any different and sometimes rowed and shifted in
pain. At that time I called the vet who advised me to bring him in quickly.

After an hour at the vet, they determined that he most likely passed a clot
from his heart. The vet took him home to monitor him. She called later to
tell me he's settled down some and noticed that he was dragging one back leg
which enforces the clot diagnosis.

Simon is 11 years old and seemed to be in good health. You just never
know...

His outlook is in question now. I wonder if he does pull through, if there
is any chance of hime using his leg again?

It's probably going to be a sleepless night tonight.
John

cshenk
September 25th 08, 03:21 AM
"JohnR66" wrote

> Around 4:15pm today I notice Simon is in the hallway breathing very fast
> and with a gurgling sound as if water on his lungs. I brought him on to
> the couch and looked him over. After a bit he coughed up some white foamy
> liquid. At 4:30 he was not any different and sometimes rowed and shifted
> in pain. At that time I called the vet who advised me to bring him in
> quickly.

Thank you for quick action.

> After an hour at the vet, they determined that he most likely passed a
> clot from his heart. The vet took him home to monitor him. She called
> later to tell me he's settled down some and noticed that he was dragging
> one back leg which enforces the clot diagnosis.

That or a stroke, which I think is caused by a clot hitting the brain so may
be same thing.

> Simon is 11 years old and seemed to be in good health. You just never
> know...
>
> His outlook is in question now. I wonder if he does pull through, if there
> is any chance of hime using his leg again?

If a stroke, yes but nothing is ever certain. It may take a fair amount of
time and cats are not patient like people can be on this one. Seems you
have a decent vet so folllow advice on quality of living.

I wish you all the best there.

Gandalf
September 25th 08, 04:13 AM
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:02:50 GMT, "JohnR66" > wrote:

>Around 4:15pm today I notice Simon is in the hallway breathing very fast and
>with a gurgling sound as if water on his lungs. I brought him on to the
>couch and looked him over. After a bit he coughed up some white foamy
>liquid. At 4:30 he was not any different and sometimes rowed and shifted in
>pain. At that time I called the vet who advised me to bring him in quickly.
>
>After an hour at the vet, they determined that he most likely passed a clot
>from his heart. The vet took him home to monitor him. She called later to
>tell me he's settled down some and noticed that he was dragging one back leg
>which enforces the clot diagnosis.
>
>Simon is 11 years old and seemed to be in good health. You just never
>know...
>
>His outlook is in question now. I wonder if he does pull through, if there
>is any chance of hime using his leg again?
>
>It's probably going to be a sleepless night tonight.
>John
>

You have done all you can for your Simon.

I'm glad you a vet that is concerned enough, and willing, to take a cat
home with them, so they can keep a closer watch on them.

You have a very good vet!

There is no way of knowing what will happen, unfortunately.

Simon could make a very good recovery, or the very worst could happen.

Just like with people :(

I hope that your Simon makes a quick and complete recovery, under the
care of you and your excellent vet.

Please keep us posted.

blkcatgal
September 25th 08, 04:47 AM
I'm sorry to hear about Simon...I hope he can recover...

S.

"JohnR66" > wrote in message
...
> Around 4:15pm today I notice Simon is in the hallway breathing very fast
> and with a gurgling sound as if water on his lungs. I brought him on to
> the couch and looked him over. After a bit he coughed up some white foamy
> liquid. At 4:30 he was not any different and sometimes rowed and shifted
> in pain. At that time I called the vet who advised me to bring him in
> quickly.
>
> After an hour at the vet, they determined that he most likely passed a
> clot from his heart. The vet took him home to monitor him. She called
> later to tell me he's settled down some and noticed that he was dragging
> one back leg which enforces the clot diagnosis.
>
> Simon is 11 years old and seemed to be in good health. You just never
> know...
>
> His outlook is in question now. I wonder if he does pull through, if there
> is any chance of hime using his leg again?
>
> It's probably going to be a sleepless night tonight.
> John
>

dgk
September 25th 08, 12:53 PM
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:02:50 GMT, "JohnR66" > wrote:

>Around 4:15pm today I notice Simon is in the hallway breathing very fast and
>with a gurgling sound as if water on his lungs. I brought him on to the
>couch and looked him over. After a bit he coughed up some white foamy
>liquid. At 4:30 he was not any different and sometimes rowed and shifted in
>pain. At that time I called the vet who advised me to bring him in quickly.
>
>After an hour at the vet, they determined that he most likely passed a clot
>from his heart. The vet took him home to monitor him. She called later to
>tell me he's settled down some and noticed that he was dragging one back leg
>which enforces the clot diagnosis.
>
>Simon is 11 years old and seemed to be in good health. You just never
>know...
>
>His outlook is in question now. I wonder if he does pull through, if there
>is any chance of hime using his leg again?
>
>It's probably going to be a sleepless night tonight.
>John
>

I might have had the same thing with LuckyBoy, who was only 8 or 9. It
started with both rear legs not working so off to the vet we went. He
had a clot in the saddle, (http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/sa.html)
which was causing the problem with the rear legs, but the underlying
problem was a heart condition which caused the clot.

I had to take him to the specialty vet hospital where we began
treatment. Unfortunately, LuckyBoy wasn't so lucky this time. An
ultrasound revealed numerous clots in the heart and the doctor said
that even if he pulled through this time, another clot would exit soon
and clog up another artery leading to the same thing or a stroke.

In his case, the underlying heart disease was so advanced that they
could really do nothing so we had to euthanize him. Hopefully Simon's
case isn't as bad, but I'd think that the respiratory symptoms also
point to underlying heart disease. Since each case is different, there
is certainly hope that his condition will be treatable and his quality
of life still enjoyable. I guess it all depends on the old ticker.

Please let us know how he's doing.

JohnR66
September 25th 08, 03:44 PM
Thanks everyone for the support and sharing your pets story.

I only was able to sleep two hours last night having thoughts bouncing
around in my head.

My mom brought over my pet taxi she borrowed. So then I went to the vet to
see Simon.
He was seemed normal but agitated. I'm sure this is from being at the vet
with all the noises.
His one leg felt cool to the touch from the limited circulation. The vet
said that is normal and there is a good chance his leg will recover.

The big unknown is his heart condition. I have to go have an ultra sound
specialist at another location so they can get a better idea of what is
going on.

This is getting expensive. So far all of this including the ultrasound is
nearly $700.

I'll post updates as I learn more.

cybercat
September 25th 08, 07:08 PM
"JohnR66" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks everyone for the support and sharing your pets story.
>
> I only was able to sleep two hours last night having thoughts bouncing
> around in my head.
>
> My mom brought over my pet taxi she borrowed. So then I went to the vet to
> see Simon.
> He was seemed normal but agitated. I'm sure this is from being at the vet
> with all the noises.
> His one leg felt cool to the touch from the limited circulation. The vet
> said that is normal and there is a good chance his leg will recover.
>
> The big unknown is his heart condition. I have to go have an ultra sound
> specialist at another location so they can get a better idea of what is
> going on.
>
> This is getting expensive. So far all of this including the ultrasound is
> nearly $700.
>
> I'll post updates as I learn more.

John, Simon is so lucky to have you. You're a fine man. I know what you mean
about the expense, our Boo needed an ultrasound once when she was having
fainting spells. I hope he has a condition that can be successfully treated
so that this loved cat can live a long time. Know that the money you spend
caring for those who cannot help themselves will come back to you tenfold.
It really will.

JohnR66
September 26th 08, 12:58 AM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JohnR66" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Thanks everyone for the support and sharing your pets story.
>>
>> I only was able to sleep two hours last night having thoughts bouncing
>> around in my head.
>>
>> My mom brought over my pet taxi she borrowed. So then I went to the vet
>> to see Simon.
>> He was seemed normal but agitated. I'm sure this is from being at the vet
>> with all the noises.
>> His one leg felt cool to the touch from the limited circulation. The vet
>> said that is normal and there is a good chance his leg will recover.
>>
>> The big unknown is his heart condition. I have to go have an ultra sound
>> specialist at another location so they can get a better idea of what is
>> going on.
>>
>> This is getting expensive. So far all of this including the ultrasound is
>> nearly $700.
>>
>> I'll post updates as I learn more.
>
> John, Simon is so lucky to have you. You're a fine man. I know what you
> mean about the expense, our Boo needed an ultrasound once when she was
> having fainting spells. I hope he has a condition that can be successfully
> treated so that this loved cat can live a long time. Know that the money
> you spend caring for those who cannot help themselves will come back to
> you tenfold. It really will.

Cybercat,
Thanks for the kind words. I can use them now. I'm at home with Simon now.
I'm whipped from a day of running around. I took him across town to a fancy
lab for the ultrasound. The doctor found some abnormalities, but said his
heart didn't look bad considering the situation. She thinks a clot is
blocking one of his leg arteries.
After that it was back to the local vet for some shots and medication. After
dropping him off at home, I had to go pickup more medication.

I spent $760 today. I'm thankful I had the money, but I'm not rich and I'm
near the limit I can spend. My income is in the poverty range, but I live
alone with little expence. I'm concerned about his leg that is cold, limp
and seems not to have any feeling. I'm no doctor but I'm concerned that it
might need amputated and would be additional expense. The specialist said
that once they start throwing clots, it is a problem that will likely plague
them for the rest of their lives.

I must be tired and depressed because I feel like I brought him home to die.

Dave in Lake Villa
September 26th 08, 01:31 AM
On Sep 24, 8:02�pm, "JohnR66" > wrote:
> Around 4:15pm today I notice Simon is in the hallway breathing very fast and
> with a gurgling sound as if water on his lungs. I brought him on to the
> couch and looked him over. After a bit he coughed up some white foamy
> liquid. At 4:30 he was not any different and sometimes rowed and shifted in
> pain. At that time I called the vet who advised me to bring him in quickly.
>
> After an hour at the vet, they determined that he most likely passed a clot
> from his heart. The vet took him home to monitor him. She called later to
> tell me he's settled down some and noticed that he was dragging one back leg
> which enforces the clot diagnosis.
>
> Simon is 11 years old and seemed to be in good health. You just never
> know...
>
> His outlook is in question now. I wonder if he does pull through, if there
> is any chance of hime using his leg again?
>
> It's probably going to be a sleepless night tonight.
> John

All trolling aside, I am sorry to hear your tragic story. I have a
loved one also, and it would kill me to lose her. Again my good wishes
for a full recovery.

Dave

cybercat
September 26th 08, 04:18 AM
"JohnR66" > wrote
> I spent $760 today. I'm thankful I had the money, but I'm not rich and I'm
> near the limit I can spend. My income is in the poverty range, but I live
> alone with little expence. I'm concerned about his leg that is cold, limp
> and seems not to have any feeling. I'm no doctor but I'm concerned that it
> might need amputated and would be additional expense. The specialist said
> that once they start throwing clots, it is a problem that will likely
> plague them for the rest of their lives.
>
> I must be tired and depressed because I feel like I brought him home to
> die.
>
>

John,

Your boy is home warm and safe and sound with you, keep the faith. Does the
leg respond to gentle massage? Remember, vets sometimes try to prepare one
for the worst possible outcome. How does Simon's mood seem? I hope you can
get lots of good sleep tonight.

blkcatgal
September 26th 08, 04:52 AM
Here's hoping that Simon continues to respond and he gets better. He's
lucky to have someone like you who cares so much.

S.

"JohnR66" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks everyone for the support and sharing your pets story.
>
> I only was able to sleep two hours last night having thoughts bouncing
> around in my head.
>
> My mom brought over my pet taxi she borrowed. So then I went to the vet to
> see Simon.
> He was seemed normal but agitated. I'm sure this is from being at the vet
> with all the noises.
> His one leg felt cool to the touch from the limited circulation. The vet
> said that is normal and there is a good chance his leg will recover.
>
> The big unknown is his heart condition. I have to go have an ultra sound
> specialist at another location so they can get a better idea of what is
> going on.
>
> This is getting expensive. So far all of this including the ultrasound is
> nearly $700.
>
> I'll post updates as I learn more.
>
>
>
>

Phil P.
September 26th 08, 11:27 AM
"JohnR66" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks everyone for the support and sharing your pets story.
>
> I only was able to sleep two hours last night having thoughts bouncing
> around in my head.
>
> My mom brought over my pet taxi she borrowed. So then I went to the vet to
> see Simon.
> He was seemed normal but agitated. I'm sure this is from being at the vet
> with all the noises.
> His one leg felt cool to the touch from the limited circulation. The vet
> said that is normal and there is a good chance his leg will recover.
>
> The big unknown is his heart condition. I have to go have an ultra sound
> specialist at another location so they can get a better idea of what is
> going on.
>
> This is getting expensive. So far all of this including the ultrasound is
> nearly $700.
>
> I'll post updates as I learn more.


John,

Speak to your vet about Nattokinase. Its a natural supplement that seems to
help dissolve and prevent clots. You might want to join the Yahoo Feline
Heart group. Some people in the group have had success with it.

Best of luck,

Phil

JohnR66
September 26th 08, 03:32 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JohnR66" > wrote
>> I spent $760 today. I'm thankful I had the money, but I'm not rich and
>> I'm near the limit I can spend. My income is in the poverty range, but I
>> live alone with little expence. I'm concerned about his leg that is cold,
>> limp and seems not to have any feeling. I'm no doctor but I'm concerned
>> that it might need amputated and would be additional expense. The
>> specialist said that once they start throwing clots, it is a problem that
>> will likely plague them for the rest of their lives.
>>
>> I must be tired and depressed because I feel like I brought him home to
>> die.
>>
>>
>
> John,
>
> Your boy is home warm and safe and sound with you, keep the faith. Does
> the leg respond to gentle massage? Remember, vets sometimes try to prepare
> one for the worst possible outcome. How does Simon's mood seem? I hope you
> can get lots of good sleep tonight.
Today (fri) he took some water but won't take any food.
His leg now is getting circulation as it is warm and is claws got pink in
the quick. However, it is still limp
It hurts him if I touch it at the hip area (same response as before
circulation).
I hope the is no tissue damage from the limited circulation.

He is still groggy, but a bit less so than yesterday. He has an IV on his
front leg. During the night he got up to urinate in the litter box (glad to
see that).

JohnR66
September 26th 08, 03:36 PM
"Phil P." > wrote in message
...
>
> "JohnR66" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Thanks everyone for the support and sharing your pets story.
>>
>> I only was able to sleep two hours last night having thoughts bouncing
>> around in my head.
>>
>> My mom brought over my pet taxi she borrowed. So then I went to the vet
>> to
>> see Simon.
>> He was seemed normal but agitated. I'm sure this is from being at the vet
>> with all the noises.
>> His one leg felt cool to the touch from the limited circulation. The vet
>> said that is normal and there is a good chance his leg will recover.
>>
>> The big unknown is his heart condition. I have to go have an ultra sound
>> specialist at another location so they can get a better idea of what is
>> going on.
>>
>> This is getting expensive. So far all of this including the ultrasound is
>> nearly $700.
>>
>> I'll post updates as I learn more.
>
>
> John,
>
> Speak to your vet about Nattokinase. Its a natural supplement that seems
> to
> help dissolve and prevent clots. You might want to join the Yahoo Feline
> Heart group. Some people in the group have had success with it.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Phil
>
I will certainly check into that. Thanks for the tip!

cybercat
September 26th 08, 04:40 PM
"JohnR66" > wrote
>>
>> Your boy is home warm and safe and sound with you, keep the faith. Does
>> the leg respond to gentle massage? Remember, vets sometimes try to
>> prepare one for the worst possible outcome. How does Simon's mood seem? I
>> hope you can get lots of good sleep tonight.

> Today (fri) he took some water but won't take any food.
> His leg now is getting circulation as it is warm and is claws got pink in
> the quick.

That's GREAT! Circulation is being restored to his leg!

>However, it is still limp
> It hurts him if I touch it at the hip area (same response as before
> circulation).
> I hope the is no tissue damage from the limited circulation.

I would be worried too, but the pink claws and warmth are a great sign.

>
> He is still groggy, but a bit less so than yesterday. He has an IV on his
> front leg. During the night he got up to urinate in the litter box (glad
> to see that).

I guess they left the IV in just in case he has to come back? It's really
good he's using his box.

Maybe get whatever food drives him crazy, just to tempt him. Human tuna
usually does it, but Fancy Feast is also good. My cats love Temptations
treats. I think getting food into him is important, if you can do it. Maybe
a little chicken or turkey baby food, he might lick it from your fingers.
(Check the label to be sure there are no onions, as they are bad for cats.)

Phil has brought a lot of us through scary stuff, and corrected my vet more
than once. He's a good man to talk to at a time like this.