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John Ross Mc Master
October 7th 09, 05:43 PM
They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix

Here is the problem in detail.

Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.

Anyone have an idea?

Matthew[_3_]
October 7th 09, 06:14 PM
With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would Look for mold

Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have been a cleaning
agent you used flea treatment

Check your water sources also<-----------

Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms

"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>
> Here is the problem in detail.
>
> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>
> Anyone have an idea?

John Ross Mc Master
October 7th 09, 06:23 PM
The water is pure. The only flea treatment they ever had was Revolutin
on the back of their necks. I do not leave drugs or cleaning agens or
anything out in the open. I have no dangerous houseplants, I have
checked this carefully.

I live in a low heat high humidity temperate rain forest climate. Mold
is possible. Some bizzare allergy?

The second vet is a done deal.



On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:14:31 -0400, "Matthew"
> wrote:

>With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would Look for mold
>
>Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have been a cleaning
>agent you used flea treatment
>
>Check your water sources also<-----------
>
>Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms
>
>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>
>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>
>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>
>> Anyone have an idea?
>

cybercat
October 7th 09, 06:27 PM
"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote
>>>
>>> Anyone have an idea?


If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?

Matthew[_3_]
October 7th 09, 06:32 PM
John what have they ate in the last few days. Any human food???

Not saying you have but could have they come in contact with a surface
that you cleaned. I am not there so I am going through all possibilities
even though you said you checked all possibilities. An outside source
looking in never hurts

The water is pure you mean filtered water, bottle water or tap water. If
it is filtered they might have a overload of certain minerals minor to use
but can effect them beyond belief


Remember the Pet Food recall. I lost My Spirit to those *******s I would
check the web if they re eating canned or dry food to see if there is a
recall http://www.foodsafety.gov/

Good luck John I will say a prayer for them and get the pack to send some
purrs

"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
> The water is pure. The only flea treatment they ever had was Revolutin
> on the back of their necks. I do not leave drugs or cleaning agens or
> anything out in the open. I have no dangerous houseplants, I have
> checked this carefully.
>
> I live in a low heat high humidity temperate rain forest climate. Mold
> is possible. Some bizzare allergy?
>
> The second vet is a done deal.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:14:31 -0400, "Matthew"
> > wrote:
>
>>With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would Look for mold
>>
>>Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have been a cleaning
>>agent you used flea treatment
>>
>>Check your water sources also<-----------
>>
>>Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms
>>
>>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>
>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>
>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>
>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>

Matthew[_3_]
October 7th 09, 06:32 PM
"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Ross Mc Master" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>
>
> If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?
>

Cyber my cats are inside they get flea treatments also. Fleas travel
specially here in Florida they find there way inside

John Ross Mc Master
October 7th 09, 06:34 PM
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:27:39 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>
>
>If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?
>

In case I track in fleas and it also protects against heartworm. We
have mosquitoes here.

John Ross Mc Master
October 7th 09, 06:37 PM
I'll doublecheck the cat foods, but they don't have access to each
other's foods so this can't be the cause.
The water is really good. Tapwater that has been filtered. We have no
industry here so no industrial or agricultural pullution in the water
supply. Also nobody elese has this.

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:32:09 -0400, "Matthew"
> wrote:

>John what have they ate in the last few days. Any human food???
>
>Not saying you have but could have they come in contact with a surface
>that you cleaned. I am not there so I am going through all possibilities
>even though you said you checked all possibilities. An outside source
>looking in never hurts
>
>The water is pure you mean filtered water, bottle water or tap water. If
>it is filtered they might have a overload of certain minerals minor to use
>but can effect them beyond belief
>
>
> Remember the Pet Food recall. I lost My Spirit to those *******s I would
>check the web if they re eating canned or dry food to see if there is a
>recall http://www.foodsafety.gov/
>
>Good luck John I will say a prayer for them and get the pack to send some
>purrs
>
>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>> The water is pure. The only flea treatment they ever had was Revolutin
>> on the back of their necks. I do not leave drugs or cleaning agens or
>> anything out in the open. I have no dangerous houseplants, I have
>> checked this carefully.
>>
>> I live in a low heat high humidity temperate rain forest climate. Mold
>> is possible. Some bizzare allergy?
>>
>> The second vet is a done deal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:14:31 -0400, "Matthew"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would Look for mold
>>>
>>>Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have been a cleaning
>>>agent you used flea treatment
>>>
>>>Check your water sources also<-----------
>>>
>>>Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms
>>>
>>>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>
>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>
>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>
>

MLB[_2_]
October 7th 09, 07:16 PM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>
> Here is the problem in detail.
>
> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>
> Anyone have an idea?


Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
the illness. MLB

John Ross Mc Master
October 7th 09, 08:07 PM
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>
>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>
>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>
>> Anyone have an idea?
>
>
>Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>the illness. MLB

Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
anyways.

Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
wrong at the lab.

jmc
October 7th 09, 11:08 PM
Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
PM):
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>
>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>
>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>
>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>
>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>> the illness. MLB
>
> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
> anyways.
>
> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
> wrong at the lab.

I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
sick at different times.

I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
and make sure they haven't.

Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
them any treats that might be at fault?

Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
bugs offhand.

Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
with your 5 well-cared-for cats!

jmc

John Ross Mc Master
October 8th 09, 01:23 AM
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:08:20 -0400, jmc
> wrote:

>Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
>PM):
>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>
>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>
>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>
>>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>>> the illness. MLB
>>
>> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
>> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
>> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
>> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
>> anyways.
>>
>> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
>> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
>> wrong at the lab.
>
>I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
>all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
>sick at different times.
>
>I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
>and make sure they haven't.
>
>Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
>able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
>something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
>them any treats that might be at fault?
>
>Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
>skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
>think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
>bugs offhand.
>
>Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
>with your 5 well-cared-for cats!
>
>jmc

One of them, Beauty, ( the middle one in age) just vomited up
everything I got her to eat in the last day. I am flushing all her
food down the toilet just in case. The bloodwork on Percy is partial
and shows the organ numbers are fine but some factor indicating
bacterial infection is present.
They are all in different rooms now.

MLB[_2_]
October 8th 09, 01:46 AM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:08:20 -0400, jmc
> > wrote:
>
>> Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
>> PM):
>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>>>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>>>> the illness. MLB
>>> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
>>> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
>>> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
>>> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
>>> anyways.
>>>
>>> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
>>> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
>>> wrong at the lab.
>> I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
>> all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
>> sick at different times.
>>
>> I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
>> and make sure they haven't.
>>
>> Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
>> able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
>> something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
>> them any treats that might be at fault?
>>
>> Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
>> skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
>> think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
>> bugs offhand.
>>
>> Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
>> with your 5 well-cared-for cats!
>>
>> jmc
>
> One of them, Beauty, ( the middle one in age) just vomited up
> everything I got her to eat in the last day. I am flushing all her
> food down the toilet just in case. The bloodwork on Percy is partial
> and shows the organ numbers are fine but some factor indicating
> bacterial infection is present.
> They are all in different rooms now.


It might be a good idea TO SAVE SOME OF THAT FOOD FOR ANALYSIS if
youdon't determine another cause. best wishes. MLB

John Ross Mc Master
October 8th 09, 02:06 AM
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:46:56 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:08:20 -0400, jmc
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
>>> PM):
>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>>>>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>>>>> the illness. MLB
>>>> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
>>>> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
>>>> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
>>>> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
>>>> anyways.
>>>>
>>>> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
>>>> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
>>>> wrong at the lab.
>>> I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
>>> all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
>>> sick at different times.
>>>
>>> I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
>>> and make sure they haven't.
>>>
>>> Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
>>> able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
>>> something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
>>> them any treats that might be at fault?
>>>
>>> Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
>>> skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
>>> think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
>>> bugs offhand.
>>>
>>> Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
>>> with your 5 well-cared-for cats!
>>>
>>> jmc
>>
>> One of them, Beauty, ( the middle one in age) just vomited up
>> everything I got her to eat in the last day. I am flushing all her
>> food down the toilet just in case. The bloodwork on Percy is partial
>> and shows the organ numbers are fine but some factor indicating
>> bacterial infection is present.
>> They are all in different rooms now.
>
>
>It might be a good idea TO SAVE SOME OF THAT FOOD FOR ANALYSIS if
>youdon't determine another cause. best wishes. MLB

I read this before I flushed the food still in the bin. I did flush
the food in the bowl.

The youngest one Spring just ate a 1/4 ounce of low-sodium tuna when I
typed the above.

MLB[_2_]
October 8th 09, 02:52 AM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:46:56 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:08:20 -0400, jmc
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
>>>> PM):
>>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>>>>>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>>>>>> the illness. MLB
>>>>> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
>>>>> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
>>>>> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
>>>>> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
>>>>> anyways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
>>>>> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
>>>>> wrong at the lab.
>>>> I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
>>>> all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
>>>> sick at different times.
>>>>
>>>> I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
>>>> and make sure they haven't.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
>>>> able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
>>>> something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
>>>> them any treats that might be at fault?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
>>>> skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
>>>> think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
>>>> bugs offhand.
>>>>
>>>> Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
>>>> with your 5 well-cared-for cats!
>>>>
>>>> jmc
>>> One of them, Beauty, ( the middle one in age) just vomited up
>>> everything I got her to eat in the last day. I am flushing all her
>>> food down the toilet just in case. The bloodwork on Percy is partial
>>> and shows the organ numbers are fine but some factor indicating
>>> bacterial infection is present.
>>> They are all in different rooms now.
>>
>> It might be a good idea TO SAVE SOME OF THAT FOOD FOR ANALYSIS if
>> youdon't determine another cause. best wishes. MLB
>
> I read this before I flushed the food still in the bin. I did flush
> the food in the bowl.
>
> The youngest one Spring just ate a 1/4 ounce of low-sodium tuna when I
> typed the above.


Another thought: do you have carbon monoxide detectors in your home?
I am asking from personal experience here. It probably would only
need a small amount to affecr little animals. MLB

John Ross Mc Master
October 8th 09, 03:15 AM
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:52:01 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:46:56 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:08:20 -0400, jmc
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
>>>>> PM):
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>>>>>>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>>>>>>> the illness. MLB
>>>>>> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
>>>>>> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
>>>>>> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
>>>>>> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
>>>>>> anyways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
>>>>>> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
>>>>>> wrong at the lab.
>>>>> I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
>>>>> all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
>>>>> sick at different times.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
>>>>> and make sure they haven't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
>>>>> able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
>>>>> something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
>>>>> them any treats that might be at fault?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
>>>>> skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
>>>>> think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
>>>>> bugs offhand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
>>>>> with your 5 well-cared-for cats!
>>>>>
>>>>> jmc
>>>> One of them, Beauty, ( the middle one in age) just vomited up
>>>> everything I got her to eat in the last day. I am flushing all her
>>>> food down the toilet just in case. The bloodwork on Percy is partial
>>>> and shows the organ numbers are fine but some factor indicating
>>>> bacterial infection is present.
>>>> They are all in different rooms now.
>>>
>>> It might be a good idea TO SAVE SOME OF THAT FOOD FOR ANALYSIS if
>>> youdon't determine another cause. best wishes. MLB
>>
>> I read this before I flushed the food still in the bin. I did flush
>> the food in the bowl.
>>
>> The youngest one Spring just ate a 1/4 ounce of low-sodium tuna when I
>> typed the above.
>
>
>Another thought: do you have carbon monoxide detectors in your home?
>I am asking from personal experience here. It probably would only
>need a small amount to affecr little animals. MLB

I have 2 CO detectors, one on each floor. I bought them after a
co-worker's parents were killed by a faulty furnace.

MLB[_2_]
October 8th 09, 03:19 AM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:52:01 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:46:56 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:08:20 -0400, jmc
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (10/7/2009 3:07
>>>>>> PM):
>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:16:43 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>> Has anybody in the neighborhood been spraying or fertilizing lawns?
>>>>>>>> Sending purrs that they will recover and that you discover the cause of
>>>>>>>> the illness. MLB
>>>>>>> Nobody here does more lawn maintenance than mowing. Except me. I
>>>>>>> sprayed broadleaf week killer 2 weeks ago. But never anywhere remotely
>>>>>>> near the door, maybe 50 feet off. I only sprayed a 2 square foot area.
>>>>>>> The Killex got stored away from the cats, who never, ever go outside
>>>>>>> anyways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good lateral thinking though! There has to be some cause of this mess.
>>>>>>> Blood panel results will be in by 6PM Pacific unless something goes
>>>>>>> wrong at the lab.
>>>>>> I'm thinking along the same lines - something environmental that they've
>>>>>> all had access to. I'd think if it was a bug or virus, that they'd go
>>>>>> sick at different times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd check your places your cats aren't supposed to be able to get into,
>>>>>> and make sure they haven't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anyone else with access to the house and cats that might be
>>>>>> able to shed some light? Maybe left a chemicals cabinet open, fed 'em
>>>>>> something they thought would be nice? For that matter, did you feed
>>>>>> them any treats that might be at fault?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe some critter(s) got into the house? I'm not really thinking
>>>>>> skeeters that would bite them, I'm thinking something that they might
>>>>>> think was fun to play with, then eat. Not that I know of any poisonous
>>>>>> bugs offhand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please keep us informed. I'm now terribly curious what could be wrong
>>>>>> with your 5 well-cared-for cats!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jmc
>>>>> One of them, Beauty, ( the middle one in age) just vomited up
>>>>> everything I got her to eat in the last day. I am flushing all her
>>>>> food down the toilet just in case. The bloodwork on Percy is partial
>>>>> and shows the organ numbers are fine but some factor indicating
>>>>> bacterial infection is present.
>>>>> They are all in different rooms now.
>>>> It might be a good idea TO SAVE SOME OF THAT FOOD FOR ANALYSIS if
>>>> youdon't determine another cause. best wishes. MLB
>>> I read this before I flushed the food still in the bin. I did flush
>>> the food in the bowl.
>>>
>>> The youngest one Spring just ate a 1/4 ounce of low-sodium tuna when I
>>> typed the above.
>>
>> Another thought: do you have carbon monoxide detectors in your home?
>> I am asking from personal experience here. It probably would only
>> need a small amount to affecr little animals. MLB
>
> I have 2 CO detectors, one on each floor. I bought them after a
> co-worker's parents were killed by a faulty furnace.


If it were CO then fresh air should make them improve., Best wishes. MLB

cybercat
October 8th 09, 09:51 AM
"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:27:39 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>
>>
>>If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?
>>
>
> In case I track in fleas and it also protects against heartworm. We
> have mosquitoes here.

I see. I really hope they all get better soon.

cl
October 8th 09, 10:27 AM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>
> Here is the problem in detail.
>
> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>
> Anyone have an idea?

If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
It really sounds like poisoning.

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 01:33 AM
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>
>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>
>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>
>> Anyone have an idea?
>
>If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>It really sounds like poisoning.


The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
once?

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 03:12 AM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>
>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>
>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>
>>> Anyone have an idea?
>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>
>
> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
> once?



The big question right now is how are they doing?
I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 03:19 AM
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>
>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>
>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>
>>
>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>> once?
>
>
>
>The big question right now is how are they doing?
>I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB

Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
at no time were they ever fed the same thing.

Matthew[_3_]
October 9th 09, 04:59 AM
"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If
>>>> you
>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>
>>>
>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>> once?
>>
>>
>>
>>The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>
> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.

Gatorade will help also if you are using a syringe to make them eat



John Here is a terrible question to ask. Do you have someone that has
entered the house or lives in the house or has come to the house that
could have done this. I am being blunt no offense to anyone but do you
have kids in the house ,a partner or ex partner that could be a bad seed in
short terms of typing this out. It is a bad thing to ask but I am going to
all ends there could be

Also about tracking this in have you been to a shelter in the last 60 days
or been to a place where medical products are used

5 cats DON'T show signs all at once from a parasitic, viral or bacteria
infection. Symptoms occur differently in all animals and people. One will
show it than the others very quickly

Something has to be a catalytic factor here. Walk outside to the front of
your house think like a child what looks wrong here and go inside and work
your way up. Eliminate factors I am thinking poisoning of some sort
until the stool samples and blood work show something than you have to go
with worse case scenario.

as for the dishes take no chances I am sorry dishwashing them will do CRAP
for a infection or infectious agent but spread it to other dishes hot water
is not a cleaning solution only BLEACH is. Take any plastic dishes throw
them out if you have washed them soaked the stuff that was with them in
bleach than clean them again. AND throw out any plastic containers that
held their food

John you said the water is filter and pure have you had it tested any
water treatment place will test it for free. It might be healthy for us but
not them it might have a higher content of a mineral that the human body and
take but not a feline. And I know you responded to this question already
but just because there has been no reported spills or problems does not mean
there isn't one there. FYI the average drinking water in America has less
than .001% of prescription drugs ( I think that is a correct %) in it from
people flushing their drugs and the run off seeping back in

the info is a little old but it may help
as for the mosquitoes
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/qa/wnv_dogs_cats.htm

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/resources/mobile/DiseaseBRMFelineMarch2005.pdf
http://pets.plj.com/news/top-cat-health-concerns-in
http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/WestNileVirus.htm

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 05:26 AM
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:59:46 -0400, "Matthew"
> wrote:

>
>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>> once?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>
>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>
>Gatorade will help also if you are using a syringe to make them eat
>
>
>
>John Here is a terrible question to ask. Do you have someone that has
>entered the house or lives in the house or has come to the house that
>could have done this. I am being blunt no offense to anyone but do you
>have kids in the house ,a partner or ex partner that could be a bad seed in
>short terms of typing this out. It is a bad thing to ask but I am going to
>all ends there could be
>
> Also about tracking this in have you been to a shelter in the last 60 days
>or been to a place where medical products are used
>
>5 cats DON'T show signs all at once from a parasitic, viral or bacteria
>infection. Symptoms occur differently in all animals and people. One will
>show it than the others very quickly
>
>Something has to be a catalytic factor here. Walk outside to the front of
>your house think like a child what looks wrong here and go inside and work
>your way up. Eliminate factors I am thinking poisoning of some sort
>until the stool samples and blood work show something than you have to go
>with worse case scenario.
>
>as for the dishes take no chances I am sorry dishwashing them will do CRAP
>for a infection or infectious agent but spread it to other dishes hot water
>is not a cleaning solution only BLEACH is. Take any plastic dishes throw
>them out if you have washed them soaked the stuff that was with them in
>bleach than clean them again. AND throw out any plastic containers that
>held their food
>
>John you said the water is filter and pure have you had it tested any
>water treatment place will test it for free. It might be healthy for us but
>not them it might have a higher content of a mineral that the human body and
>take but not a feline. And I know you responded to this question already
>but just because there has been no reported spills or problems does not mean
>there isn't one there. FYI the average drinking water in America has less
>than .001% of prescription drugs ( I think that is a correct %) in it from
>people flushing their drugs and the run off seeping back in
>
>the info is a little old but it may help
>as for the mosquitoes
>http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/qa/wnv_dogs_cats.htm
>
>http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/resources/mobile/DiseaseBRMFelineMarch2005.pdf
>http://pets.plj.com/news/top-cat-health-concerns-in
>http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/WestNileVirus.htm
>
>
>
>

Nobody did thids deliberately. Yes, I have been in a shelter the last
60 days. I washed with an antiseptic gel every time I left a room. A
place where medical products are used? I had an operation last month.

The water here is really, really good. Nobody lives uphill of the
water source and nothing can leach into the water because there is no
industry, agriculture or people up there except the Sasquatch. No
other cats in town have this that I've heard of, and I would have
heard something.

I'll try to rethink everything like a child. Haven't tried that yet.

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 06:12 AM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>
>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>> once?
>>
>>
>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>
> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.


I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB

cyberpurrs
October 9th 09, 07:43 AM
"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote
>
> I'll try to rethink everything like a child. Haven't tried that yet.

I think Matthew's advice is sound and wise.

Matthew[_3_]
October 9th 09, 02:42 PM
"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:59:46 -0400, "Matthew"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a
>>>>>>> toxin
>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be
>>>>>> dumped
>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>> once?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>
>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>
>>Gatorade will help also if you are using a syringe to make them eat
>>
>>
>>
>>John Here is a terrible question to ask. Do you have someone that has
>>entered the house or lives in the house or has come to the house that
>>could have done this. I am being blunt no offense to anyone but do you
>>have kids in the house ,a partner or ex partner that could be a bad seed
>>in
>>short terms of typing this out. It is a bad thing to ask but I am going
>>to
>>all ends there could be
>>
>> Also about tracking this in have you been to a shelter in the last 60
>> days
>>or been to a place where medical products are used
>>
>>5 cats DON'T show signs all at once from a parasitic, viral or bacteria
>>infection. Symptoms occur differently in all animals and people. One will
>>show it than the others very quickly
>>
>>Something has to be a catalytic factor here. Walk outside to the front of
>>your house think like a child what looks wrong here and go inside and
>>work
>>your way up. Eliminate factors I am thinking poisoning of some sort
>>until the stool samples and blood work show something than you have to go
>>with worse case scenario.
>>
>>as for the dishes take no chances I am sorry dishwashing them will do
>>CRAP
>>for a infection or infectious agent but spread it to other dishes hot
>>water
>>is not a cleaning solution only BLEACH is. Take any plastic dishes throw
>>them out if you have washed them soaked the stuff that was with them in
>>bleach than clean them again. AND throw out any plastic containers that
>>held their food
>>
>>John you said the water is filter and pure have you had it tested any
>>water treatment place will test it for free. It might be healthy for us
>>but
>>not them it might have a higher content of a mineral that the human body
>>and
>>take but not a feline. And I know you responded to this question already
>>but just because there has been no reported spills or problems does not
>>mean
>>there isn't one there. FYI the average drinking water in America has
>>less
>>than .001% of prescription drugs ( I think that is a correct %) in it from
>>people flushing their drugs and the run off seeping back in
>>
>>the info is a little old but it may help
>>as for the mosquitoes
>>http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/qa/wnv_dogs_cats.htm
>>
>>http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/resources/mobile/DiseaseBRMFelineMarch2005.pdf
>>http://pets.plj.com/news/top-cat-health-concerns-in
>>http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/WestNileVirus.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Nobody did thids deliberately. Yes, I have been in a shelter the last
> 60 days. I washed with an antiseptic gel every time I left a room. A
> place where medical products are used? I had an operation last month.
>

I had to ask if someone did. I know we never want to think ill will of
family or friends. But I am looking at all possibilities


Where you wearing booties and change your clothes when you left the room
or were you wearing a protective clothing. If not check with the shelter
with any problems they had

Operating room I would not really worry about I was thinking if you were
near a lab or something like that maybe being accidentally contaminated


> The water here is really, really good. Nobody lives uphill of the
> water source and nothing can leach into the water because there is no
> industry, agriculture or people up there except the Sasquatch. No
> other cats in town have this that I've heard of, and I would have
> heard something.
>

YOU ARE NOT CATCHNG MY POINT NOT THE WATER SOURCE >>>>>YOUR WATER <<<<<
It could be from pipes if you have an older house. You could have a break
in your pipe allowing seeping in


> I'll try to rethink everything like a child. Haven't tried that yet.

Got a friend that is smart have them help look at it from a outside point
of view

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 02:59 PM
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:42:18 -0400, "Matthew"
> wrote:

>
>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:59:46 -0400, "Matthew"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"John Ross Mc Master" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a
>>>>>>>> toxin
>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be
>>>>>>> dumped
>>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>>> once?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>>they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>>airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>>mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>
>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>
>>>Gatorade will help also if you are using a syringe to make them eat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John Here is a terrible question to ask. Do you have someone that has
>>>entered the house or lives in the house or has come to the house that
>>>could have done this. I am being blunt no offense to anyone but do you
>>>have kids in the house ,a partner or ex partner that could be a bad seed
>>>in
>>>short terms of typing this out. It is a bad thing to ask but I am going
>>>to
>>>all ends there could be
>>>
>>> Also about tracking this in have you been to a shelter in the last 60
>>> days
>>>or been to a place where medical products are used
>>>
>>>5 cats DON'T show signs all at once from a parasitic, viral or bacteria
>>>infection. Symptoms occur differently in all animals and people. One will
>>>show it than the others very quickly
>>>
>>>Something has to be a catalytic factor here. Walk outside to the front of
>>>your house think like a child what looks wrong here and go inside and
>>>work
>>>your way up. Eliminate factors I am thinking poisoning of some sort
>>>until the stool samples and blood work show something than you have to go
>>>with worse case scenario.
>>>
>>>as for the dishes take no chances I am sorry dishwashing them will do
>>>CRAP
>>>for a infection or infectious agent but spread it to other dishes hot
>>>water
>>>is not a cleaning solution only BLEACH is. Take any plastic dishes throw
>>>them out if you have washed them soaked the stuff that was with them in
>>>bleach than clean them again. AND throw out any plastic containers that
>>>held their food
>>>
>>>John you said the water is filter and pure have you had it tested any
>>>water treatment place will test it for free. It might be healthy for us
>>>but
>>>not them it might have a higher content of a mineral that the human body
>>>and
>>>take but not a feline. And I know you responded to this question already
>>>but just because there has been no reported spills or problems does not
>>>mean
>>>there isn't one there. FYI the average drinking water in America has
>>>less
>>>than .001% of prescription drugs ( I think that is a correct %) in it from
>>>people flushing their drugs and the run off seeping back in
>>>
>>>the info is a little old but it may help
>>>as for the mosquitoes
>>>http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/qa/wnv_dogs_cats.htm
>>>
>>>http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/resources/mobile/DiseaseBRMFelineMarch2005.pdf
>>>http://pets.plj.com/news/top-cat-health-concerns-in
>>>http://www.zoologix.com/dogcat/Datasheets/WestNileVirus.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nobody did thids deliberately. Yes, I have been in a shelter the last
>> 60 days. I washed with an antiseptic gel every time I left a room. A
>> place where medical products are used? I had an operation last month.
>>
>
>I had to ask if someone did. I know we never want to think ill will of
>family or friends. But I am looking at all possibilities
>
>
>Where you wearing booties and change your clothes when you left the room
>or were you wearing a protective clothing. If not check with the shelter
>with any problems they had
>
>Operating room I would not really worry about I was thinking if you were
>near a lab or something like that maybe being accidentally contaminated
>
>
>> The water here is really, really good. Nobody lives uphill of the
>> water source and nothing can leach into the water because there is no
>> industry, agriculture or people up there except the Sasquatch. No
>> other cats in town have this that I've heard of, and I would have
>> heard something.
>>
>
>YOU ARE NOT CATCHNG MY POINT NOT THE WATER SOURCE >>>>>YOUR WATER <<<<<
>It could be from pipes if you have an older house. You could have a break
>in your pipe allowing seeping in
>
>
>> I'll try to rethink everything like a child. Haven't tried that yet.
>
>Got a friend that is smart have them help look at it from a outside point
>of view
>

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 03:02 PM
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>
>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>> once?
>>>
>>>
>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>
>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>
>
>I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB

They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.

The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 03:19 PM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>> once?
>>>>
>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>
>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>> a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>> remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>> Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>> their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB
>
> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>
> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.



Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could have
been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in the
back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes would
then get into the ventilation system and come into our building . We
were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in the alley were
eventually not permitted in the alley.

Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure this
out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB

barb
October 9th 09, 04:13 PM
Sorry about this. My guess is the food. Let us know.

Barb

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 05:48 PM
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>>> once?
>>>>>
>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>
>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>>> a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>>> remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>>> Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>>> their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB
>>
>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>
>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>
>
>
>Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could have
>been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in the
>back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes would
>then get into the ventilation system and come into our building . We
>were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in the alley were
>eventually not permitted in the alley.
>
>Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure this
>out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB

About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.

The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
He hates the liquid.

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 06:04 PM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>>>> a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>>>> remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>>>> Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>>>> their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB
>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>
>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>
>>
>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could have
>> been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in the
>> back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes would
>> then get into the ventilation system and come into our building . We
>> were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in the alley were
>> eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>
>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure this
>> out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>
> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>
> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
> He hates the liquid.



Do you know if they had a cement mixer running, or a truck idling?
Some of the big trucks are left idling because it is cheaper than
re-starting them. (Just trying to consider another possibility). Best
wishes. MLB

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 06:15 PM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>>>> a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>>>> remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>>>> Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>>>> their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB
>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>
>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>
>>
>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could have
>> been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in the
>> back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes would
>> then get into the ventilation system and come into our building . We
>> were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in the alley were
>> eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>
>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure this
>> out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>
> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>
> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
> He hates the liquid.



Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
(just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
the pill doesn't work either.)

Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car in
the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes made
him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell -- long, dull
story). MLB

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 06:30 PM
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:15:45 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>>>>> a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>>>>> remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>>>>> Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>>>>> their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB
>>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>>
>>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could have
>>> been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in the
>>> back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes would
>>> then get into the ventilation system and come into our building . We
>>> were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in the alley were
>>> eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>>
>>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure this
>>> out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>>
>> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
>> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>>
>> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
>> He hates the liquid.
>
>
>
>Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
>(just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
>little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
>the pill doesn't work either.)
>
>Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car in
>the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes made
>him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell -- long, dull
>story). MLB

They were idling for hours, but this doesn't account for the blood
readings.
One cat refused the oral meds and had to be given shots of tribissen.
She is recovering faster than the two on metronidazole.

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 06:37 PM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:15:45 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results today and the
>>>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if anyone else has
>>>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their thoats all
>>>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor cats up to
>>>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls should be
>>>>>>>>>> washed in it immediately and done regularly until this goes away. If you
>>>>>>>>>> do not have a dishwaster you should use paper food and water bowls in
>>>>>>>>>> the mean time. Also the contents of their litter boxes should be dumped
>>>>>>>>>> and replaced now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I presume that
>>>>>>>>>> they all eat different food since they are different ages? Or do they
>>>>>>>>>> all eat the same food? Is it canned food, dry or both? It sounds like
>>>>>>>>>> some widespread contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor,
>>>>>>>>>> mopped, or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>> It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could have
>>>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get sick at
>>>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very strange that
>>>>>>>> they all got sick at the same time. I would think it would have to be
>>>>>>>> airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for you and the cats that the
>>>>>>>> mystery can be solved. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood outside. But
>>>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it might be
>>>>>> a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system checked. Do you
>>>>>> remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in the coal mine"?
>>>>>> Removing the cats to another environment would have cleared it from
>>>>>> their bodies. And yes -- how are they doing? MLB
>>>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>>>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could have
>>>> been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>>>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in the
>>>> back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes would
>>>> then get into the ventilation system and come into our building . We
>>>> were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in the alley were
>>>> eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>>>
>>>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure this
>>>> out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>>> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
>>> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>>>
>>> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
>>> He hates the liquid.
>>
>>
>> Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
>> (just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
>> little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
>> the pill doesn't work either.)
>>
>> Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car in
>> the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes made
>> him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell -- long, dull
>> story). MLB
>
> They were idling for hours, but this doesn't account for the blood
> readings.
> One cat refused the oral meds and had to be given shots of tribissen.
> She is recovering faster than the two on metronidazole.



Well, if the body gets weakened for any reason, other things can take
hold. Still hoping this mystery can be solved, but not all mysteries
are . Best wishes. MLB

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 07:30 PM
MLB wrote:
> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:15:45 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results
>>>>>>>>>>>> today and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else has
>>>>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their
>>>>>>>>>>>> thoats all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor
>>>>>>>>>>>> cats up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not
>>>>>>>>>>>> ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls
>>>>>>>>>>> should be washed in it immediately and done regularly until
>>>>>>>>>>> this goes away. If you do not have a dishwaster you should
>>>>>>>>>>> use paper food and water bowls in the mean time. Also the
>>>>>>>>>>> contents of their litter boxes should be dumped and replaced
>>>>>>>>>>> now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I
>>>>>>>>>>> presume that they all eat different food since they are
>>>>>>>>>>> different ages? Or do they all eat the same food? Is it
>>>>>>>>>>> canned food, dry or both? It sounds like some widespread
>>>>>>>>>>> contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor, mopped,
>>>>>>>>>>> or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the
>>>>>>>>>>> same time. It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get
>>>>>>>>>> sick at
>>>>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very
>>>>>>>>> strange that they all got sick at the same time. I would think
>>>>>>>>> it would have to be airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for
>>>>>>>>> you and the cats that the mystery can be solved. Best
>>>>>>>>> wishes. MLB
>>>>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood
>>>>>>>> outside. But
>>>>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it
>>>>>>> might be a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system
>>>>>>> checked. Do you remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in
>>>>>>> the coal mine"? Removing the cats to another environment would
>>>>>>> have cleared it from their bodies. And yes -- how are they
>>>>>>> doing? MLB
>>>>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>>>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>>>>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could
>>>>> have been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>>>>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in
>>>>> the back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes
>>>>> would then get into the ventilation system and come into our
>>>>> building . We were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in
>>>>> the alley were eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure
>>>>> this out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>>>> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
>>>> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>>>> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
>>>> He hates the liquid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
>>> (just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
>>> little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
>>> the pill doesn't work either.)
>>>
>>> Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car
>>> in the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes
>>> made him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell --
>>> long, dull story). MLB
>>
>> They were idling for hours, but this doesn't account for the blood
>> readings.
>> One cat refused the oral meds and had to be given shots of tribissen.
>> She is recovering faster than the two on metronidazole.
>
>
>
> Well, if the body gets weakened for any reason, other things can take
> hold. Still hoping this mystery can be solved, but not all mysteries
> are . Best wishes. MLB


I was just scooping TuTu's litter box. This made me wonder what kind of
litter do you use? Any change there?

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 08:00 PM
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>MLB wrote:
>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:15:45 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results
>>>>>>>>>>>>> today and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoats all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cats up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be washed in it immediately and done regularly until
>>>>>>>>>>>> this goes away. If you do not have a dishwaster you should
>>>>>>>>>>>> use paper food and water bowls in the mean time. Also the
>>>>>>>>>>>> contents of their litter boxes should be dumped and replaced
>>>>>>>>>>>> now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I
>>>>>>>>>>>> presume that they all eat different food since they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> different ages? Or do they all eat the same food? Is it
>>>>>>>>>>>> canned food, dry or both? It sounds like some widespread
>>>>>>>>>>>> contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor, mopped,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same time. It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get
>>>>>>>>>>> sick at
>>>>>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very
>>>>>>>>>> strange that they all got sick at the same time. I would think
>>>>>>>>>> it would have to be airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for
>>>>>>>>>> you and the cats that the mystery can be solved. Best
>>>>>>>>>> wishes. MLB
>>>>>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood
>>>>>>>>> outside. But
>>>>>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>>>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it
>>>>>>>> might be a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system
>>>>>>>> checked. Do you remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in
>>>>>>>> the coal mine"? Removing the cats to another environment would
>>>>>>>> have cleared it from their bodies. And yes -- how are they
>>>>>>>> doing? MLB
>>>>>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>>>>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>>>>>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could
>>>>>> have been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>>>>>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in
>>>>>> the back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes
>>>>>> would then get into the ventilation system and come into our
>>>>>> building . We were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in
>>>>>> the alley were eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure
>>>>>> this out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
>>>>> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>>>>> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
>>>>> He hates the liquid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
>>>> (just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
>>>> little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
>>>> the pill doesn't work either.)
>>>>
>>>> Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car
>>>> in the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes
>>>> made him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell --
>>>> long, dull story). MLB
>>>
>>> They were idling for hours, but this doesn't account for the blood
>>> readings.
>>> One cat refused the oral meds and had to be given shots of tribissen.
>>> She is recovering faster than the two on metronidazole.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, if the body gets weakened for any reason, other things can take
>> hold. Still hoping this mystery can be solved, but not all mysteries
>> are . Best wishes. MLB
>
>
>I was just scooping TuTu's litter box. This made me wonder what kind of
>litter do you use? Any change there?

I have always used wood pellets. It's compressed sawdust with no
addities. The trees are pine from the Interior of this Province. No
change in the litter. To compress the sawdust they use heat and
pressure so no bacteria or mold can survive.

This is certainly a mystery, unless it is an airborne disease from
outside that is unique to me. I DO have tomcats wandering out there.

From now on I will only give the cats boiled water. The water has no
chemical or mineral contaminants, and boiling will rule out even the
toughest stuff that survives treatment. There is nothing on my street
that could contaminate my house water.

MLB[_2_]
October 9th 09, 09:36 PM
John Ross Mc Master wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>
>> MLB wrote:
>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:15:45 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoats all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cats up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be washed in it immediately and done regularly until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this goes away. If you do not have a dishwaster you should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use paper food and water bowls in the mean time. Also the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contents of their litter boxes should be dumped and replaced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presume that they all eat different food since they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ages? Or do they all eat the same food? Is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> canned food, dry or both? It sounds like some widespread
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor, mopped,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same time. It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get
>>>>>>>>>>>> sick at
>>>>>>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very
>>>>>>>>>>> strange that they all got sick at the same time. I would think
>>>>>>>>>>> it would have to be airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for
>>>>>>>>>>> you and the cats that the mystery can be solved. Best
>>>>>>>>>>> wishes. MLB
>>>>>>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood
>>>>>>>>>> outside. But
>>>>>>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>>>>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it
>>>>>>>>> might be a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system
>>>>>>>>> checked. Do you remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in
>>>>>>>>> the coal mine"? Removing the cats to another environment would
>>>>>>>>> have cleared it from their bodies. And yes -- how are they
>>>>>>>>> doing? MLB
>>>>>>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>>>>>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>>>>>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>>>>>>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could
>>>>>>> have been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>>>>>>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in
>>>>>>> the back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes
>>>>>>> would then get into the ventilation system and come into our
>>>>>>> building . We were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in
>>>>>>> the alley were eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure
>>>>>>> this out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>>> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
>>>>>> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>>>>>> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
>>>>>> He hates the liquid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
>>>>> (just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
>>>>> little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
>>>>> the pill doesn't work either.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car
>>>>> in the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes
>>>>> made him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell --
>>>>> long, dull story). MLB
>>>> They were idling for hours, but this doesn't account for the blood
>>>> readings.
>>>> One cat refused the oral meds and had to be given shots of tribissen.
>>>> She is recovering faster than the two on metronidazole.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, if the body gets weakened for any reason, other things can take
>>> hold. Still hoping this mystery can be solved, but not all mysteries
>>> are . Best wishes. MLB
>>
>> I was just scooping TuTu's litter box. This made me wonder what kind of
>> litter do you use? Any change there?
>
> I have always used wood pellets. It's compressed sawdust with no
> addities. The trees are pine from the Interior of this Province. No
> change in the litter. To compress the sawdust they use heat and
> pressure so no bacteria or mold can survive.
>
> This is certainly a mystery, unless it is an airborne disease from
> outside that is unique to me. I DO have tomcats wandering out there.
>
> From now on I will only give the cats boiled water. The water has no
> chemical or mineral contaminants, and boiling will rule out even the
> toughest stuff that survives treatment. There is nothing on my street
> that could contaminate my house water.



Another: I recently purchased a well advertised shower cleaner. When I
went to use it, I got out my trusty magnifying glass to read the
instructions. It also said "do not use around children or pets".
Guess I'll stick to vinegar SOLUTION. mlb

John Ross Mc Master
October 9th 09, 10:17 PM
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:36:50 -0600, MLB > wrote:

>John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:30:06 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>
>>> MLB wrote:
>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:15:45 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:19:48 -0600, MLB > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:12:13 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:12:29 -0600, MLB >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:27:41 -0700, cl > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Ross Mc Master wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have been to a vet and he's running blood and stool tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vet doesn't have a clue yet. I get the blood results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool tests in 5 days. I'm posting here to discover if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had the problem. I am syringing chicken broth down their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoats all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time as well as antibiotics and a high calorie vitamin mix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the problem in detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Five healthy cats ranging in age from 10 months to 11 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously stopped eating and drinking. They are indoor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cats up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date with their shots. They were not poisoned, did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ingest a toxin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any kind. This has to be a bacteria, protazoa or virus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a dishwasher all of their food and water bowls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be washed in it immediately and done regularly until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this goes away. If you do not have a dishwaster you should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use paper food and water bowls in the mean time. Also the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contents of their litter boxes should be dumped and replaced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now - one cat might have infected the others. Did you just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change or just start using a new brand or bag of food? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presume that they all eat different food since they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ages? Or do they all eat the same food? Is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canned food, dry or both? It sounds like some widespread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contaminated has occurred. Have you cleaned a floor, mopped,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or used a different cleaning product lately? Something has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused this since all fives cats have stopped eating at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same time. It really sounds like poisoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The blood test is in and the only problem is "Moderately toxic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neutrophyls with no neutrophilia suggests acute tissue demand for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neutrophils". which indicates some kind of infection. I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknowingly tracked in a bacteria, but how do all the cats get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sick at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> once?
>>>>>>>>>>>> The big question right now is how are they doing?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not have any idea how that could happen and it is very
>>>>>>>>>>>> strange that they all got sick at the same time. I would think
>>>>>>>>>>>> it would have to be airborne or fed the same thing. Purrs for
>>>>>>>>>>>> you and the cats that the mystery can be solved. Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> wishes. MLB
>>>>>>>>>>> Airborne is possible. We have tomcats in the neighborhood
>>>>>>>>>>> outside. But
>>>>>>>>>>> at no time were they ever fed the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>> I know you dismissed the possibility of carbon monoxide, but it
>>>>>>>>>> might be a good idea to have your heating/ventilation system
>>>>>>>>>> checked. Do you remember hearing the old stories of "canaries in
>>>>>>>>>> the coal mine"? Removing the cats to another environment would
>>>>>>>>>> have cleared it from their bodies. And yes -- how are they
>>>>>>>>>> doing? MLB
>>>>>>>>> They seem to mbe getting a bit better. The youngest first. The three
>>>>>>>>> youngest all had bowel movements, one normal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The two oldest ones are not doing well. Off to vet #2 in 25 minutes.
>>>>>>>> Matthew's point about looking outside8de made me wonder if it were
>>>>>>>> possible one of those trucks that are used by carpet cleaners could
>>>>>>>> have been working near where the fumes could seep into the house?
>>>>>>>> I remember one time where I worked, trucks would sometimes park in
>>>>>>>> the back alley and leave their engines running. The exhaust fumes
>>>>>>>> would then get into the ventilation system and come into our
>>>>>>>> building . We were on the 4th floor and fumes do rise. Trucks in
>>>>>>>> the alley were eventually not permitted in the alley.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sending purrs that all kitties will recover and that you can figure
>>>>>>>> this out == it must be hard on you. Best wishes. MLB
>>>>>>> About the time this started there were pavers repang 2 nearby
>>>>>>> driveways but that would not account for the bacteria.
>>>>>>> The vet gave me antibiotics in pill form that Percy won't vomit out.
>>>>>>> He hates the liquid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know if they had a cement mixer running or a truck idling nearby?
>>>>>> (just trying to cover all possibilities). Perhaps you could mix a
>>>>>> little syrup with the liquid meds to improve the taste. Just in case
>>>>>> the pill doesn't work either.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remembering that years ago a man in our condo was working on his car
>>>>>> in the carport. He had left the car running and the resulting fumes
>>>>>> made him sick? (I have a "thing" about fumes, as you can tell --
>>>>>> long, dull story). MLB
>>>>> They were idling for hours, but this doesn't account for the blood
>>>>> readings.
>>>>> One cat refused the oral meds and had to be given shots of tribissen.
>>>>> She is recovering faster than the two on metronidazole.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, if the body gets weakened for any reason, other things can take
>>>> hold. Still hoping this mystery can be solved, but not all mysteries
>>>> are . Best wishes. MLB
>>>
>>> I was just scooping TuTu's litter box. This made me wonder what kind of
>>> litter do you use? Any change there?
>>
>> I have always used wood pellets. It's compressed sawdust with no
>> addities. The trees are pine from the Interior of this Province. No
>> change in the litter. To compress the sawdust they use heat and
>> pressure so no bacteria or mold can survive.
>>
>> This is certainly a mystery, unless it is an airborne disease from
>> outside that is unique to me. I DO have tomcats wandering out there.
>>
>> From now on I will only give the cats boiled water. The water has no
>> chemical or mineral contaminants, and boiling will rule out even the
>> toughest stuff that survives treatment. There is nothing on my street
>> that could contaminate my house water.
>
>
>
>Another: I recently purchased a well advertised shower cleaner. When I
>went to use it, I got out my trusty magnifying glass to read the
>instructions. It also said "do not use around children or pets".
>Guess I'll stick to vinegar SOLUTION. mlb

Ther only cleaner I ever use is bleach. I don't buy the millions of
products everyone else is conned into getting. Also the toilet lid is
always down so they never drink from there.