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"Bill Graham" wrote in message ... Julie Bove wrote: "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... Your data base is on the smallish side, for a country with over 300,000,000 population. Suggestion -- to you and others (you know who you are). Simply remove the term "socialized medicine" and substitute ""universal health care", and see how much that simple change of words will soothe your savage breasts. --------- Nope. I don't even like HMO's. After having studied insurance on the brink of my husband getting a new job I can now say that a lot of it truly sucks. To say that we all need health insurance or to make it available to everyone is truly meaningless. As much as I have complained about the medical insurance that I do have, apparently it is quite good. I consider myself lucky. --------- To be blunt, I doubt if 99% of the respondents have a CLUE as to the history of socialism. You just ingest and regurgitate the bilge that is fed to you throujgh the corporate media. Their funders -- Koch et al -- poop their pants at the thought that giving workers decent conditions and refraining from manufacturing harmful products could -- heaven forfend -- send the stock price down even a point or two. Yet all objective research shows that treating employees well, thus lessening turnover and concomitant need for re-training, and selling good products actually HELPS the bottom line. --------- Actually I know pretty much about it seeing as how the brother of one of my best friends was (not sure if he still is) a member of the Socialist Worker's Party. I had to listen to him spout off about it far more than I wanted to. Sounds pretty good on paper but when you think about it, doesn't work out so well for a lot of people. This comes from a card-carrying capitalist, who is sure capitalism can be made to work profitably for the sellers and compassionately for the buyers. It's only massive greed, arrogance, and lust for power that screws up a viable system. ------- Okay... I am one of those people who doesn't really desire to be rich and famous. As long as I have a roof over my head, enough money to get what I need, enough to eat, etc., I'm okay. I do donate food to the food bank when I can and I do give to animal charities when I can. *shrugs* Capitalism has worked very well for over 250 years. Socialism, on the other hand is definitely not working in Europe (many countries there are going broke) and, it doesn't seem to be working very well here, either. (Those bums who live down under the freeway overpass on welfare checks are increasing in number) I think I'll stick with capitalism and our Constitution, thanks..... Yep. That's kinda why communes don't work either. I know some people who tried that back in the 70's. Again, looks good on paper. But get just one bad seed and... |
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On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , dgk wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:52 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:27:30 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: dgk wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. What good is a "happy" cat flattened with tire tread impressions... cats are happy indoors... you're an imbecile. Everyone, and everything, dies., What's important is enjoying what little time you have. This is true for me, and also true for my cats. Only a stupid liberal would trade freedom for a longer life, and then have the gall to impose their poor choice on the rest of the world...... Hey, I'm a liberal and I let my cats out. Well, perhaps you are the exception... Most of the liberals I know have the following attitude: I wouldn't do it, and if I wouldn't do it, then nobody should do it, so we should make a law that forbids anyone from doing it. I don't think that has even a hint of truth to it though. Most liberals I know want people to do what they want. Get married to someone of the same sex? Fine by me. Get a tattoo, it's your body. You want to smoke pot? No problem to me. In fact, if you want to use cocaine and you're an adult, fine by me. Just collect some tax on it. No, most liberals are pretty libertarian. But there are limits and problems once things affect someone else. I prefer government to control those things rather than corporate power. And I see the attack on government as increasing corporate power. http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-pe...build-the-amer ican-dream/ Yes, that's pretty much the idea. |
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dgk wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:24:56 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , dgk wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:12:52 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:27:30 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: dgk wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. What good is a "happy" cat flattened with tire tread impressions... cats are happy indoors... you're an imbecile. Everyone, and everything, dies., What's important is enjoying what little time you have. This is true for me, and also true for my cats. Only a stupid liberal would trade freedom for a longer life, and then have the gall to impose their poor choice on the rest of the world...... Hey, I'm a liberal and I let my cats out. Well, perhaps you are the exception... Most of the liberals I know have the following attitude: I wouldn't do it, and if I wouldn't do it, then nobody should do it, so we should make a law that forbids anyone from doing it. I don't think that has even a hint of truth to it though. Most liberals I know want people to do what they want. Get married to someone of the same sex? Fine by me. Get a tattoo, it's your body. You want to smoke pot? No problem to me. In fact, if you want to use cocaine and you're an adult, fine by me. Just collect some tax on it. No, most liberals are pretty libertarian. But there are limits and problems once things affect someone else. I prefer government to control those things rather than corporate power. And I see the attack on government as increasing corporate power. http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/the-pe...build-the-amer ican-dream/ Yes, that's pretty much the idea. Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. |
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"Bill Graham" wrote:
Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. |
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"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on these groups. I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls, water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they didn't get out but they could have. I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more. And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if sociable enough or, far more likely, killed? And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet? So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it. Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both love our cats. |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message .. . "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. |
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dgk wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Why are you pin heads cross posting to a half dozen groups including gardener's, consumer's groups? Are you a band of TROLLS? Or are you just being lead by the anti-Christian Brooklyn1? ----------- From: Sheldon a.k.a. Brooklyn1 Newsgroups: rec.gardens Subject: I would like some feedback.. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Christian wrote: I own a business "Professional Pond Maintenance and Fish Care". That's your first untruth... you *operate* a business.... you don't own a business until your IRS return doesn't show you're operating at a loss. I'm not here to promote my business. That's your second untruth. I'm wanting to get any and all feedback, positive or negative, on a website I designed recently to go with it. I advertise locally and direct folks to my site for more information. Here is the link:http://allyoudoisfeedthefish.net/index.html What do you think of the basic design? Can you read it easily? Ads or no ads? I'm thinking people here are close to my target audience, being that garden lovers usually like ponds even if they don't personally have one. Thank You, Christian Your parents must have had high hopes for you to succeed in the arts... you're not going to do well in business unless you change your name. ---------- "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on these groups. I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls, water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they didn't get out but they could have. I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more. And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if sociable enough or, far more likely, killed? And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet? So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it. Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both love our cats. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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"dgk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. True but we were having a severe winter and the kitten got damage to her paw pads from being out in the cold. So they needed medical attention. |
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In article ,
"Julie Bove" wrote: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a troll, or are you just unconscious? "dgk" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. True but we were having a severe winter and the kitten got damage to her paw pads from being out in the cold. So they needed medical attention. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Julie Bove" wrote: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a troll, or are you just unconscious? I'm not being a troll. |
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Julie Bove wrote:
"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Yes, it can be rather expensive. We have a roving vet who makes house calls in the Salem area, (where we live)and with five cats, it costs us over a thousand dollars a year to keep them in good health. Oddly enough, our feral cat, Smokey has cost us the least. Two of the females had to have operations that ran about $800 each. One had har thyroid glands removed, and the other had a hairball in her stomach that made it swell up until it filled her whole abdoman. We thought it was a tumor, and we told the vet to put her down if they couldn't remove it all. The vet opened her up, saw that it was her stomache, opened that up, and just removed a baseball sized hairball! Today she is fine, and that was several years ago. But at our age, my wife and I have few hobbies, so we don't mind paying for our kitty's health. |
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Truth is, only one of our five cats goes outside to do her thing. The other four all use the two litter boxes we keep in the house. But I know that it is impossibler to tell a liberal anthing. They all know it all, and can't be convinced by anything anyone else could say to them. |
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dgk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on these groups. I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls, water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they didn't get out but they could have. I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more. And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if sociable enough or, far more likely, killed? And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet? So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it. Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both love our cats. I don't know where anyone got the idea that I can't afford to keep my five cats in good health. I retired in 1996 with almost a million dollars. Today, at 77, I am still worth a half million. Our cats get the best of medical care from a roving vet who sees all of them about once every six months, and we have had two of them get life saving operations at about 800 dollars each. Just because they are "outside cats" who have front and rear cat doors they can use at any time of the day or night, doesn't mean that they are not well cared for at all. |
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dgk wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. |
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Billy wrote:
In article , dgk wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Why are you pin heads cross posting to a half dozen groups including gardener's, consumer's groups? Are you a band of TROLLS? Or are you just being lead by the anti-Christian Brooklyn1? I don't know how to not cross post. How do you know from which of several groups listed in the header the person you are answering is posting from? Ande, if you don't know, then how can you eliminate any of the groups without removing the one that you want to answer? So, I post to whoefver is in the header that is already there. |
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Julie Bove wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Julie Bove" wrote: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a troll, or are you just unconscious? I'm not being a troll. On usenet, a "troll" is anyone with whom you disagree...... |
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 23:00:29 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. Both count. Liberty is important but so is food and a nice place to sleep. |
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On Sep 9, 11:00*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. *I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. *They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. *It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. *And they willingly came in to sleep. *I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote: On Sep 9, 11:00*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. *I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. *They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. *It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. *And they willingly came in to sleep. *I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB Three of my four cats want a comfy place to lie, nice food to eat, toys and a slave to play with, and a warmer comfy place to lie. The other one wants the same thing but likes to go outside once in a while. |
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dgk wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 23:00:29 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. Both count. Liberty is important but so is food and a nice place to sleep. Absolutely! And my cats hase both. but it is a dangerous world, and there are many hazards for outsice cats. Life itself is hazardous, however, and you can't get out of it alive. As the gambler once said, "You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't even get out of the game." So, in my humble opinion, you might as well enjoy yourself while you are ahead, and play every hand like it was your last..... |
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Higgs Boson wrote:
On Sep 9, 11:00 pm, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB The hundreds of them that I had to live and work with in California for over 40 years..... They would do anything to promote my "good health", whether I wanted it or not. An example? Putting their kids tooth medicine in my drinking water. And, believe me, there are many more..... |
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On Sep 11, 12:28*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote: On Sep 9, 11:00 pm, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message m... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB The hundreds of them that I had to live and work with in California for over 40 years..... They would do anything to promote my "good health", whether I wanted it or not. An example? Putting their kids tooth medicine in my drinking water. And, believe me, there are many more..... Hic jacet lapin! Fluoridation. Betcha the other examples are on the same level... Brings back fond memories of a film I must have seen a dozen times, and it gets better each time: DR. STANGELOVE. Perhaps the late Peter Sellers' greatest performance... Screenplay by Stanley Kubrick, Terry Southern, and Peter George. Remember that marvelous scene where General Jack D. Ripper... well, read this excerpt from: http://citation.allacademic.com/meta...p414592-21.php " Black comedy focuses on topics that are typically treated very seriously, including death and war. The classic film Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964), which concerned the "doomsday" prospect of thermonuclear war during the cold war, perfectly exemplifies the genre of black comedy and highlights its ability to offer a viable alternative narrative form. In the film, a crazed Air Force General – even his name was satirical, Jack. D. Ripper – comically (not tragically!) initiates a nuclear attack because of his belief that a communist conspiracy explained the fluoridation of the nation's water supply. Ripper claimed that such efforts would "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids." 40 The film ridicules 40 See Dr. Strangelove: A Continuity Transcript." Available at http://www.visual- memory.co.uk/ amk/doc/0055.html." HB |
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Higgs Boson wrote:
Hic jacet lapin! Fluoridation. Betcha the other examples are on the same level... Yes. - The unconstitutional level. Like taking $4000 of my tax money and giving it to that welfare bum down the block with rusty cars all over his front lawn so he could buy himself a new car, while I pedeled a bicycle to work for ten years.... You better vote early next November, cause when I vote, I will be so mad I will tear the lever off the machine..... |
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On Sep 15, 5:16*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote: Hic jacet lapin! *Fluoridation. *Betcha the other examples are on the same level... Yes. - The unconstitutional level. Like taking $4000 of my tax money and giving it to that welfare bum down the block with rusty cars all over his front lawn so he could buy himself a new car, while I pedeled a bicycle to work for ten years.... You better vote early next November, cause when I vote, I will be so mad I will tear the lever off the machine..... I AM voting early Thought I would be out of the country, so ordered an ballot that's supposed to arrive early Oct. If you tear off the lever, your vote might not count, and you would probably be arrested. Hmm....OK, go ahead... HB |
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dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. |
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Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. |
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On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Forget cats, I have raccoons, and put down chicken wire to discourage them. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s). |
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Well, there you are. In my case, I see millions of pitiful little (furry and otherwise) creatures freezing and starving ivery Winter, and forced to watch their children freeze and starve before them) All done by a pitiless and uncaring God who created this miserable mess and yet is, "worshipped" (in abject fear) by billions of stupid folk. So, in my own small way, I try to do what I can to help at least the few that I find in my limited area. I could care less how they treat my potted plants. So, to each his own. I am truely sorry for your plants, and I understand your position completely. Its a pity that you can't understand mine. |
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Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. |
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s). When you get to your heaven, find a black cat named, "B-K" and ask him if he would rather have lived twice as long in a cage..... |
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On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden. Birds do not dig toilets. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden. Birds do not dig toilets. But this is one of the nicest things about cats... The facy yhat they bury their droppings. Dogs don't do this. In fact, very few other animals do this. And, it constitutes great fertilizer for the plants, too. The repair process is minimal. It would only take a few minutes a day to clean up after a half dozen cats. Most of our cats,use the cat box we keep inside the house, even though they have access to the outside 24/7. Even the former feral cat hardly ever goes outside. Have you tried putting a cat box near your plants? I bet whichever cat is "destroying" your plants would love to use it.... |
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On 10/30/2012 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. lion prides in the wild cooperate in hunting all the time. |
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chaniarts wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. lion prides in the wild cooperate in hunting all the time. Yes. They are one of the exceptions. Cheetas also will team up with their brothers, sometimes for life. but house cats seldom team up for anything. Although sometimes I will catch two of mine chasing a strange cat away from our property, and they occasionally will tear into an unopened bag of dry food on my kitchen floor... Usually, however, one will do all the work, and the others will just watch and wait until they can take their share of the booty..... |
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Rick wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:41:59 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. I hope I'm not out of line here and that you've had the talk with your dad- All big turkeys come from little turkeys and little turkeys come from eggs that are laid in nests on the ground. The added pedators seem to have overwhelmed the local turkeys. The adults are fine. I have barn cats that do good work for me, but they can't breed and don't hang out in the woods killing anything that moves for the fun of it; which is the nature of domestic cats. I had one that didn't kill his toys... He just brought them in the house and let them go, so he could play with them. We had a chipmonk living in our kitchen, under the stove, for about two months last Winter. My wife left squirrel food out for it and water... I thought it was going to be a permanent pet, but as soon as Spring rolled around, I left the sliding glass door open a few inches and it escaped back outside. I don't know how my cat caught it to begin with. Chipmonks are as fast as anything I have ever seen. This one would run across the kitchen floor so fast you couldn't see it even if you were looking at it..... |
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dgk wrote:
For me, the small risk that something will happen to them is more than offset by the enjoyment they get by being "free" outside. I've had eight cats during the 16 years that I've had this fenced in yard. Four have died, but none because they were allowed to go out. Four are still enjoying the yard and will do so today when I get home. And your neighbors just love yout cat's poop in their spinach. |
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In article , "Bob F"
wrote: dgk wrote: For me, the small risk that something will happen to them is more than offset by the enjoyment they get by being "free" outside. I've had eight cats during the 16 years that I've had this fenced in yard. Four have died, but none because they were allowed to go out. Four are still enjoying the yard and will do so today when I get home. And your neighbors just love yout cat's poop in their spinach. And bird poop, raccoon poop, mouse poop, and dog poop doesn't bother you? Just be sure to wash your spinach, and other raw vegetables in your meal, well. To be completely safe, be sure to serve a young red wine with your meal. Now researchers have found that red wine acts as an antibiotic in the body, killing potentially fatal bacteria. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...better-us.html -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Next time vote Green Party |
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