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Cheryl January 16th 04 02:07 AM

turning down the heat?
 
JLove98905 wrote in on
15 Jan 2004:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day
(when they are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60,
but I'm wondering if it's more than they need.

That's about what I set mine to, and what it is at night for sleeping.
Though today I left it at 65 because I had to separate a very aggressive
one to the downstairs and it gets colder down there. When it is cold you
can tell they don't much like it if they are indoor cats and used to the
even temps. They spend more time balled up and the fur looks fluffier.



--
Cheryl

I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy.
Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy.
- Dori

MaryL January 16th 04 02:26 AM


"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



I leave mine at 67 (but I live in East Texas, where bills for heating are
not bad). My highest bills are for air conditioning in the summer. I like
it fairly cool, so I generally set the thermostat for 72 in the summer when
I am home and raise it to 75 when I will be gone for the day. Incidentally,
I don't think there is a great deal of savings (at least in this climate) if
the temperature is altered drastically for the day because then it takes
more time to raise/lower the temperature to the "desired" level after I
return home.

MaryL



MaryL January 16th 04 02:26 AM


"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



I leave mine at 67 (but I live in East Texas, where bills for heating are
not bad). My highest bills are for air conditioning in the summer. I like
it fairly cool, so I generally set the thermostat for 72 in the summer when
I am home and raise it to 75 when I will be gone for the day. Incidentally,
I don't think there is a great deal of savings (at least in this climate) if
the temperature is altered drastically for the day because then it takes
more time to raise/lower the temperature to the "desired" level after I
return home.

MaryL



JLove98905 January 16th 04 02:32 AM

I posted the question because I'm in Boston, and it's really cold here right
now. These wicked cold snaps are gonna be murder on my heating bill (oil). If I
could get away with lower than 60 during the day, I probably would. However, I
don't want to go too low.
-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



JLove98905 January 16th 04 02:32 AM

I posted the question because I'm in Boston, and it's really cold here right
now. These wicked cold snaps are gonna be murder on my heating bill (oil). If I
could get away with lower than 60 during the day, I probably would. However, I
don't want to go too low.
-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



Cheryl January 16th 04 02:44 AM

MaryL wrote in on 15 Jan 2004:

Incidentally,
I don't think there is a great deal of savings (at least in this
climate) if the temperature is altered drastically for the day because
then it takes more time to raise/lower the temperature to the
"desired" level after I return home.


That definately depends on the type of heating used. I have a heat pump
and live in the east where it gets cold in the winter. There is a huge
difference depending on if you're raising the temp, (winter) or lowering it
(summer) when you come home. It is most cost effective in the winter to
lower it, yet in the summer leave it where it is. Also, for those with heat
pumps it is good to remember that they are efficient when the temp outside
is around freezing, but if way below, to turn on the e-heat (or alt heat,
whatever your manufacturer designates it) and that type of heat is not
energy efficiant and you NEED to turn it down. Heat pumps can't convert
cold outdoor air to warm air if below a certain temp.

--
Cheryl

I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy.
Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy.
- Dori

Cheryl January 16th 04 02:44 AM

MaryL wrote in on 15 Jan 2004:

Incidentally,
I don't think there is a great deal of savings (at least in this
climate) if the temperature is altered drastically for the day because
then it takes more time to raise/lower the temperature to the
"desired" level after I return home.


That definately depends on the type of heating used. I have a heat pump
and live in the east where it gets cold in the winter. There is a huge
difference depending on if you're raising the temp, (winter) or lowering it
(summer) when you come home. It is most cost effective in the winter to
lower it, yet in the summer leave it where it is. Also, for those with heat
pumps it is good to remember that they are efficient when the temp outside
is around freezing, but if way below, to turn on the e-heat (or alt heat,
whatever your manufacturer designates it) and that type of heat is not
energy efficiant and you NEED to turn it down. Heat pumps can't convert
cold outdoor air to warm air if below a certain temp.

--
Cheryl

I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine. And he shall be my Squishy.
Come here Squishy. Ow. Bad Squishy.
- Dori

Priscilla Ballou January 16th 04 04:35 AM

In article ,
OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.


I leave it at 60 except for right now when we're having a cold snap and
it's recommended we keep the heat higher to protect the pipes. It's at
64 when I'm away or asleep now.

Priscilla

Priscilla Ballou January 16th 04 04:35 AM

In article ,
OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.


I leave it at 60 except for right now when we're having a cold snap and
it's recommended we keep the heat higher to protect the pipes. It's at
64 when I'm away or asleep now.

Priscilla

Betsy January 16th 04 04:36 AM

I turn mine down to 55 at night and only raise it to 60 during the day,
unless I am teaching at home, when I raise it to 65. It's all I can afford.
I've done it this way for years and I have 11 healthy cats and a collie. It
does get crowded in the bed at night, though!

"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright





Betsy January 16th 04 04:36 AM

I turn mine down to 55 at night and only raise it to 60 during the day,
unless I am teaching at home, when I raise it to 65. It's all I can afford.
I've done it this way for years and I have 11 healthy cats and a collie. It
does get crowded in the bed at night, though!

"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright





Priscilla Ballou January 16th 04 04:37 AM

In article ,
OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

I posted the question because I'm in Boston, and it's really cold here right
now. These wicked cold snaps are gonna be murder on my heating bill (oil). If
I
could get away with lower than 60 during the day, I probably would. However,
I
don't want to go too low.


I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.

Priscilla

Priscilla Ballou January 16th 04 04:37 AM

In article ,
OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

I posted the question because I'm in Boston, and it's really cold here right
now. These wicked cold snaps are gonna be murder on my heating bill (oil). If
I
could get away with lower than 60 during the day, I probably would. However,
I
don't want to go too low.


I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.

Priscilla

Mr B January 16th 04 04:57 AM

Here in WI we use 67 while we're home and 60 during the day (62 at night). Cats have fur and can
keep warm. We have strays that live outside where it's 20 degrees so there's no worries about it
being too cold for the cats.

On 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



Mr B January 16th 04 04:57 AM

Here in WI we use 67 while we're home and 60 during the day (62 at night). Cats have fur and can
keep warm. We have strays that live outside where it's 20 degrees so there's no worries about it
being too cold for the cats.

On 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright



MaryL January 16th 04 08:49 AM


"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
MaryL wrote in on 15 Jan 2004:

Incidentally,
I don't think there is a great deal of savings (at least in this
climate) if the temperature is altered drastically for the day because
then it takes more time to raise/lower the temperature to the
"desired" level after I return home.


That definately depends on the type of heating used. I have a heat pump
and live in the east where it gets cold in the winter. There is a huge
difference depending on if you're raising the temp, (winter) or lowering

it
(summer) when you come home.

--
Cheryl


I should have thought of that. I grew up in Ohio, and we used a heat pump.
It was great, but it definitely would not fit my description.

MaryL



MaryL January 16th 04 08:49 AM


"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
MaryL wrote in on 15 Jan 2004:

Incidentally,
I don't think there is a great deal of savings (at least in this
climate) if the temperature is altered drastically for the day because
then it takes more time to raise/lower the temperature to the
"desired" level after I return home.


That definately depends on the type of heating used. I have a heat pump
and live in the east where it gets cold in the winter. There is a huge
difference depending on if you're raising the temp, (winter) or lowering

it
(summer) when you come home.

--
Cheryl


I should have thought of that. I grew up in Ohio, and we used a heat pump.
It was great, but it definitely would not fit my description.

MaryL



Dennis Carr January 16th 04 03:42 PM

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 +0000, JLove98905 wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.


I'm a Californian. 60 is ridiculously cold. =^^=

--
Dennis Carr - | I may be out of my mind,
http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way.
------------------------------------+-------------------------------


Dennis Carr January 16th 04 03:42 PM

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 +0000, JLove98905 wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.


I'm a Californian. 60 is ridiculously cold. =^^=

--
Dennis Carr - | I may be out of my mind,
http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way.
------------------------------------+-------------------------------


NOSPAM January 16th 04 04:09 PM

From: OSPAM (JLove98905)

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when
they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.


I set ours at 64.
Lauren
_________
=^..^=
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
To Error is Human, To be Purrfect is Feline

NOSPAM January 16th 04 04:09 PM

From: OSPAM (JLove98905)

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when
they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.


I set ours at 64.
Lauren
_________
=^..^=
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
To Error is Human, To be Purrfect is Feline

Neil Law January 16th 04 05:39 PM

On 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen


I set ours to 18

(degrees centigrade that is).

Couldn't resist with all the Fahrenheit comments :

Neil Law January 16th 04 05:39 PM

On 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen


I set ours to 18

(degrees centigrade that is).

Couldn't resist with all the Fahrenheit comments :

Neil Law January 16th 04 05:39 PM

On 16 Jan 2004 01:03:54 GMT, OSPAM (JLove98905) wrote:

Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen


I set ours to 18

(degrees centigrade that is).

Couldn't resist with all the Fahrenheit comments :

Sunflower January 16th 04 07:13 PM


"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.


It depends on the age of the cat in question, as kittens are far more
succeptible to cold than are adult cats. Our primary vet advisor to our
shelter recommends that we not let the temperature drop below 68 when we
have kittens. Of course, we are talking caged animals that cannot seek out
a warmer spot to snuggle in, but I still don't think I'd let the temps of a
home with kittens in it drop below 65. For adult cats, if they have a spot
close to a window where they can catch some sunbeams, or a hidey hole with
lots of blankies, I wouldn't worry below about 50. Yes, outdoor cats can
tolerate pretty cold temperatures briefly, but they too need a warm hay room
or other sheltered spot, and they have acclimated to those temps slowly.
Your indoor cat is acclimated to a certain range of temps also.



Sunflower January 16th 04 07:13 PM


"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.


It depends on the age of the cat in question, as kittens are far more
succeptible to cold than are adult cats. Our primary vet advisor to our
shelter recommends that we not let the temperature drop below 68 when we
have kittens. Of course, we are talking caged animals that cannot seek out
a warmer spot to snuggle in, but I still don't think I'd let the temps of a
home with kittens in it drop below 65. For adult cats, if they have a spot
close to a window where they can catch some sunbeams, or a hidey hole with
lots of blankies, I wouldn't worry below about 50. Yes, outdoor cats can
tolerate pretty cold temperatures briefly, but they too need a warm hay room
or other sheltered spot, and they have acclimated to those temps slowly.
Your indoor cat is acclimated to a certain range of temps also.



Sunflower January 16th 04 07:13 PM


"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.


It depends on the age of the cat in question, as kittens are far more
succeptible to cold than are adult cats. Our primary vet advisor to our
shelter recommends that we not let the temperature drop below 68 when we
have kittens. Of course, we are talking caged animals that cannot seek out
a warmer spot to snuggle in, but I still don't think I'd let the temps of a
home with kittens in it drop below 65. For adult cats, if they have a spot
close to a window where they can catch some sunbeams, or a hidey hole with
lots of blankies, I wouldn't worry below about 50. Yes, outdoor cats can
tolerate pretty cold temperatures briefly, but they too need a warm hay room
or other sheltered spot, and they have acclimated to those temps slowly.
Your indoor cat is acclimated to a certain range of temps also.



DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message Priscilla
Ballou did ramble:

I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.


Protective of what?

--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message Priscilla
Ballou did ramble:

I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.


Protective of what?

--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message Priscilla
Ballou did ramble:

I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.


Protective of what?

--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message "Sunflower"
did ramble:

It depends on the age of the cat in question, as kittens are far more
succeptible to cold than are adult cats. Our primary vet advisor to our
shelter recommends that we not let the temperature drop below 68 when we
have kittens. Of course, we are talking caged animals that cannot seek out
a warmer spot to snuggle in, but I still don't think I'd let the temps of a
home with kittens in it drop below 65. For adult cats, if they have a spot
close to a window where they can catch some sunbeams, or a hidey hole with
lots of blankies, I wouldn't worry below about 50. Yes, outdoor cats can
tolerate pretty cold temperatures briefly, but they too need a warm hay room
or other sheltered spot, and they have acclimated to those temps slowly.
Your indoor cat is acclimated to a certain range of temps also.


I let ours drop to 17 or so during the day (62ish for the US readers),
which is about right for me (I work from home). It often doesn't get
that cool, it's only down from 8:30am to 3:30pm when the kids return
home. We have an electronic thermostat that adjusts automatically, no
manual intervention required.

Over night I'm keeping it a little warming, 19 (66F) for the moment for
the sake of the kittens, but I'd like to drop that a little (for the
sake of me)

We have one room that stays 2-3 degrees (19-20C, 66-88F) warmer due to
having four computers there (for our kids) -- The cats spend most of
their time in there when the girls are home, but Interestingly enough
the kittens don't tend to spend much of their time alone unless somebody
is in the room. When they're alone or it's just me they typically curl
up in the kitchen in front of the heat vent (which is off all day) or in
the kids beds.

Don't get me wrong, I love the little devils, and when I'm up at night I
sit in a lazyboy chair with a blanket on my legs and a laptop on my lap,
all three of them will usually come curl up with me. Unfortunately,
during the day I typically sit at a desk, and there just isn't anywhere
for the little devils to sit.
--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message "Sunflower"
did ramble:

It depends on the age of the cat in question, as kittens are far more
succeptible to cold than are adult cats. Our primary vet advisor to our
shelter recommends that we not let the temperature drop below 68 when we
have kittens. Of course, we are talking caged animals that cannot seek out
a warmer spot to snuggle in, but I still don't think I'd let the temps of a
home with kittens in it drop below 65. For adult cats, if they have a spot
close to a window where they can catch some sunbeams, or a hidey hole with
lots of blankies, I wouldn't worry below about 50. Yes, outdoor cats can
tolerate pretty cold temperatures briefly, but they too need a warm hay room
or other sheltered spot, and they have acclimated to those temps slowly.
Your indoor cat is acclimated to a certain range of temps also.


I let ours drop to 17 or so during the day (62ish for the US readers),
which is about right for me (I work from home). It often doesn't get
that cool, it's only down from 8:30am to 3:30pm when the kids return
home. We have an electronic thermostat that adjusts automatically, no
manual intervention required.

Over night I'm keeping it a little warming, 19 (66F) for the moment for
the sake of the kittens, but I'd like to drop that a little (for the
sake of me)

We have one room that stays 2-3 degrees (19-20C, 66-88F) warmer due to
having four computers there (for our kids) -- The cats spend most of
their time in there when the girls are home, but Interestingly enough
the kittens don't tend to spend much of their time alone unless somebody
is in the room. When they're alone or it's just me they typically curl
up in the kitchen in front of the heat vent (which is off all day) or in
the kids beds.

Don't get me wrong, I love the little devils, and when I'm up at night I
sit in a lazyboy chair with a blanket on my legs and a laptop on my lap,
all three of them will usually come curl up with me. Unfortunately,
during the day I typically sit at a desk, and there just isn't anywhere
for the little devils to sit.
--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message "Sunflower"
did ramble:

It depends on the age of the cat in question, as kittens are far more
succeptible to cold than are adult cats. Our primary vet advisor to our
shelter recommends that we not let the temperature drop below 68 when we
have kittens. Of course, we are talking caged animals that cannot seek out
a warmer spot to snuggle in, but I still don't think I'd let the temps of a
home with kittens in it drop below 65. For adult cats, if they have a spot
close to a window where they can catch some sunbeams, or a hidey hole with
lots of blankies, I wouldn't worry below about 50. Yes, outdoor cats can
tolerate pretty cold temperatures briefly, but they too need a warm hay room
or other sheltered spot, and they have acclimated to those temps slowly.
Your indoor cat is acclimated to a certain range of temps also.


I let ours drop to 17 or so during the day (62ish for the US readers),
which is about right for me (I work from home). It often doesn't get
that cool, it's only down from 8:30am to 3:30pm when the kids return
home. We have an electronic thermostat that adjusts automatically, no
manual intervention required.

Over night I'm keeping it a little warming, 19 (66F) for the moment for
the sake of the kittens, but I'd like to drop that a little (for the
sake of me)

We have one room that stays 2-3 degrees (19-20C, 66-88F) warmer due to
having four computers there (for our kids) -- The cats spend most of
their time in there when the girls are home, but Interestingly enough
the kittens don't tend to spend much of their time alone unless somebody
is in the room. When they're alone or it's just me they typically curl
up in the kitchen in front of the heat vent (which is off all day) or in
the kids beds.

Don't get me wrong, I love the little devils, and when I'm up at night I
sit in a lazyboy chair with a blanket on my legs and a laptop on my lap,
all three of them will usually come curl up with me. Unfortunately,
during the day I typically sit at a desk, and there just isn't anywhere
for the little devils to sit.
--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message
OSPAM (JLove98905) did ramble:

Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


George Carlin's thoughts on the topic are much better... Think of how
stupid the average person you know is, now consider that half the people
out there are dumber then that.

--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message
OSPAM (JLove98905) did ramble:

Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


George Carlin's thoughts on the topic are much better... Think of how
stupid the average person you know is, now consider that half the people
out there are dumber then that.

--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

DevilsPGD January 17th 04 03:13 AM

In message
OSPAM (JLove98905) did ramble:

Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright


George Carlin's thoughts on the topic are much better... Think of how
stupid the average person you know is, now consider that half the people
out there are dumber then that.

--
They call it "PMS" because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken

MGW January 17th 04 03:19 AM

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:13:48 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In message Priscilla
Ballou did ramble:

I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.


Protective of what?


Water pipes. It reached 11 below 0 F last night around here. My
SIL's kitchen water pipes all froze - just hope they don't burst.

MGW January 17th 04 03:19 AM

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:13:48 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In message Priscilla
Ballou did ramble:

I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.


Protective of what?


Water pipes. It reached 11 below 0 F last night around here. My
SIL's kitchen water pipes all froze - just hope they don't burst.

MGW January 17th 04 03:19 AM

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:13:48 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In message Priscilla
Ballou did ramble:

I'm in Boston (Roslindale), and they said to turn your heat UP as a
protective measure.


Protective of what?


Water pipes. It reached 11 below 0 F last night around here. My
SIL's kitchen water pipes all froze - just hope they don't burst.

Cat Protector January 17th 04 04:09 AM

Well the weather has been nice here during the day so I have been able to
turn off the heat and the air conditioner entirely. At night it is in the
50's and even then I have mostly left it off. If it gets too cold though
then I turn it on.

--
Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs!
www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek

Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com
"JLove98905" wrote in message
...
Just curious....how low do people turn the heat down during the day (when

they
are at work, etc), for the cats? We leave ours at about 60, but I'm

wondering
if it's more than they need.

-Jen
Half the people you know are below average. -Steven Wright






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