Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

Does not work:

TNR. It only slows it down. As the colonies age their members die off
(even without active removal) and new cats come in, being unfixed, and
breed profusely.

Feeding the cats. Boy, that's a no brainer. If no one fed them on
purpose the die off would be much higher.

Education. Cat education is not going to work, because, well, cats are
cats. Eating, sleeping, ****ing, ****ing, ****ting, killing and
caterwauling are cat activities. Study is not. Language is not.
Educating people about cats is equally unsuccessful because when it
comes to cute little kitties, people are equally incapable of logic or
rational thought.


Does work:

LAWS making it illegal to release cats-period. A cat in your posession
is yours. You are responsible for it, and if female, kittens it has
from impregnation through birth whilst in your posession. You may care
for it and keep it on your property, you may sell or give it away to
responsible new owners or you may give it to the pound or put it down
humanely. People are not responsible about cats, but they are
responsible about not going to jail.

CLEANING UP after ourselves. That means securing garbage and
foodstuffs. My theory is that feral cat populations exploded when
incineration ceased to be the way supermarkets and restaurants stopped
handling food garbage. Incineration is actually much more responsible
environmentally as ashes from exclusively edible remnants are good
fertilizer.

NOT FEEDING unowned cats. Cat lubbers caught feeding feral cats should
be made responsible for those cats including cat licenses,
immunizations, neutering, and most importantly held liable if Morris
the feral at the dumpster claws a kid or gets in a house and kills a
$500 parrot.

Finally: ELIMINATING feral colonies when they become a nuisance.
Anti-elimination propaganda is voodoo math at its finest. Clear out a
colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies
never form.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

I agree with everything you have just said EXCEPT the killing part. TNR does
NOT work but catching taming and rehoming does work. I know I have been
doing it for years. People that feed them should defenitly be given a large
fine UNLESS those people are catching them with food for the porpose of
rehoming the cats.

~Laura
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does not work:

TNR. It only slows it down. As the colonies age their members die off
(even without active removal) and new cats come in, being unfixed, and
breed profusely.

Feeding the cats. Boy, that's a no brainer. If no one fed them on
purpose the die off would be much higher.

Education. Cat education is not going to work, because, well, cats are
cats. Eating, sleeping, ****ing, ****ing, ****ting, killing and
caterwauling are cat activities. Study is not. Language is not.
Educating people about cats is equally unsuccessful because when it
comes to cute little kitties, people are equally incapable of logic or
rational thought.


Does work:

LAWS making it illegal to release cats-period. A cat in your posession
is yours. You are responsible for it, and if female, kittens it has
from impregnation through birth whilst in your posession. You may care
for it and keep it on your property, you may sell or give it away to
responsible new owners or you may give it to the pound or put it down
humanely. People are not responsible about cats, but they are
responsible about not going to jail.

CLEANING UP after ourselves. That means securing garbage and
foodstuffs. My theory is that feral cat populations exploded when
incineration ceased to be the way supermarkets and restaurants stopped
handling food garbage. Incineration is actually much more responsible
environmentally as ashes from exclusively edible remnants are good
fertilizer.

NOT FEEDING unowned cats. Cat lubbers caught feeding feral cats should
be made responsible for those cats including cat licenses,
immunizations, neutering, and most importantly held liable if Morris
the feral at the dumpster claws a kid or gets in a house and kills a
$500 parrot.

Finally: ELIMINATING feral colonies when they become a nuisance.
Anti-elimination propaganda is voodoo math at its finest. Clear out a
colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies
never form.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

TNR does work and it has been proven by groups like Alley Cat Allies and
even AzCATs which specialize in dealing with feral cats. Rehoming and taming
does nothing. When you remove a feral cat from their environment more come
in to take their place. Once a feral cat is feral, by trying to tame them
you will often have a difficult road ahead and the cat will often hide. BTW,
no cat will ever be 100% tame. You can't even breed their wild instincts out
of them. As for feeding the cats that is why they have caretakers. Feral
cats will often run away from most people but a caretaker they know will
sometimes come up to them.

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"Laura" wrote in message
news:46sjg.16777$IK3.1828@pd7tw1no...
I agree with everything you have just said EXCEPT the killing part. TNR
does NOT work but catching taming and rehoming does work. I know I have
been doing it for years. People that feed them should defenitly be given a
large fine UNLESS those people are catching them with food for the porpose
of rehoming the cats.

~Laura
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does not work:

TNR. It only slows it down. As the colonies age their members die off
(even without active removal) and new cats come in, being unfixed, and
breed profusely.

Feeding the cats. Boy, that's a no brainer. If no one fed them on
purpose the die off would be much higher.

Education. Cat education is not going to work, because, well, cats are
cats. Eating, sleeping, ****ing, ****ing, ****ting, killing and
caterwauling are cat activities. Study is not. Language is not.
Educating people about cats is equally unsuccessful because when it
comes to cute little kitties, people are equally incapable of logic or
rational thought.


Does work:

LAWS making it illegal to release cats-period. A cat in your posession
is yours. You are responsible for it, and if female, kittens it has
from impregnation through birth whilst in your posession. You may care
for it and keep it on your property, you may sell or give it away to
responsible new owners or you may give it to the pound or put it down
humanely. People are not responsible about cats, but they are
responsible about not going to jail.

CLEANING UP after ourselves. That means securing garbage and
foodstuffs. My theory is that feral cat populations exploded when
incineration ceased to be the way supermarkets and restaurants stopped
handling food garbage. Incineration is actually much more responsible
environmentally as ashes from exclusively edible remnants are good
fertilizer.

NOT FEEDING unowned cats. Cat lubbers caught feeding feral cats should
be made responsible for those cats including cat licenses,
immunizations, neutering, and most importantly held liable if Morris
the feral at the dumpster claws a kid or gets in a house and kills a
$500 parrot.

Finally: ELIMINATING feral colonies when they become a nuisance.
Anti-elimination propaganda is voodoo math at its finest. Clear out a
colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies
never form.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

good luck with that. Taming and rehoming does work if you have the time and
space. Also if you are catching the cats quickly with live traps and you
remove at least 7 a week or 2 a day even the colony is captured quickly and
yes feral cats DO become tame trusting animals and you CAN get rid of all
their wild instincts. I have many myself that have been tamed and are very
loving loyal cats although once a feral cat they always have to be indoors
unless leashed.
"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:q1Bjg.7036$f76.624@dukeread06...
TNR does work and it has been proven by groups like Alley Cat Allies and
even AzCATs which specialize in dealing with feral cats. Rehoming and
taming does nothing. When you remove a feral cat from their environment
more come in to take their place. Once a feral cat is feral, by trying to
tame them you will often have a difficult road ahead and the cat will
often hide. BTW, no cat will ever be 100% tame. You can't even breed their
wild instincts out of them. As for feeding the cats that is why they have
caretakers. Feral cats will often run away from most people but a
caretaker they know will sometimes come up to them.

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs!
www.panthertekit.com
"Laura" wrote in message
news:46sjg.16777$IK3.1828@pd7tw1no...
I agree with everything you have just said EXCEPT the killing part. TNR
does NOT work but catching taming and rehoming does work. I know I have
been doing it for years. People that feed them should defenitly be given a
large fine UNLESS those people are catching them with food for the porpose
of rehoming the cats.

~Laura
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does not work:

TNR. It only slows it down. As the colonies age their members die off
(even without active removal) and new cats come in, being unfixed, and
breed profusely.

Feeding the cats. Boy, that's a no brainer. If no one fed them on
purpose the die off would be much higher.

Education. Cat education is not going to work, because, well, cats are
cats. Eating, sleeping, ****ing, ****ing, ****ting, killing and
caterwauling are cat activities. Study is not. Language is not.
Educating people about cats is equally unsuccessful because when it
comes to cute little kitties, people are equally incapable of logic or
rational thought.


Does work:

LAWS making it illegal to release cats-period. A cat in your posession
is yours. You are responsible for it, and if female, kittens it has
from impregnation through birth whilst in your posession. You may care
for it and keep it on your property, you may sell or give it away to
responsible new owners or you may give it to the pound or put it down
humanely. People are not responsible about cats, but they are
responsible about not going to jail.

CLEANING UP after ourselves. That means securing garbage and
foodstuffs. My theory is that feral cat populations exploded when
incineration ceased to be the way supermarkets and restaurants stopped
handling food garbage. Incineration is actually much more responsible
environmentally as ashes from exclusively edible remnants are good
fertilizer.

NOT FEEDING unowned cats. Cat lubbers caught feeding feral cats should
be made responsible for those cats including cat licenses,
immunizations, neutering, and most importantly held liable if Morris
the feral at the dumpster claws a kid or gets in a house and kills a
$500 parrot.

Finally: ELIMINATING feral colonies when they become a nuisance.
Anti-elimination propaganda is voodoo math at its finest. Clear out a
colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies
never form.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

I hate to say it but you are not solving the problem. Many groups have
proven that TNR is the most effective and best way to deal with feral cats.
You can never breed out nor take away a cat's natural wild ability so taming
is pretty much a misconception. Also, remove a feral cat from an area more
will just come in and take their place. That is a fact.

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs!
www.panthertekit.com
"Laura" wrote in message
news:WwCjg.21403$IK3.5236@pd7tw1no...
good luck with that. Taming and rehoming does work if you have the time
and space. Also if you are catching the cats quickly with live traps and
you remove at least 7 a week or 2 a day even the colony is captured
quickly and yes feral cats DO become tame trusting animals and you CAN get
rid of all their wild instincts. I have many myself that have been tamed
and are very loving loyal cats although once a feral cat they always have
to be indoors unless leashed.
"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:q1Bjg.7036$f76.624@dukeread06...
TNR does work and it has been proven by groups like Alley Cat Allies and
even AzCATs which specialize in dealing with feral cats. Rehoming and
taming does nothing. When you remove a feral cat from their environment
more come in to take their place. Once a feral cat is feral, by trying to
tame them you will often have a difficult road ahead and the cat will
often hide. BTW, no cat will ever be 100% tame. You can't even breed
their wild instincts out of them. As for feeding the cats that is why
they have caretakers. Feral cats will often run away from most people but
a caretaker they know will sometimes come up to them.

--
Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time!
www.catgalaxymedia.com

Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs!
www.panthertekit.com
"Laura" wrote in message
news:46sjg.16777$IK3.1828@pd7tw1no...
I agree with everything you have just said EXCEPT the killing part. TNR
does NOT work but catching taming and rehoming does work. I know I have
been doing it for years. People that feed them should defenitly be given
a large fine UNLESS those people are catching them with food for the
porpose of rehoming the cats.

~Laura
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does not work:

TNR. It only slows it down. As the colonies age their members die off
(even without active removal) and new cats come in, being unfixed, and
breed profusely.

Feeding the cats. Boy, that's a no brainer. If no one fed them on
purpose the die off would be much higher.

Education. Cat education is not going to work, because, well, cats are
cats. Eating, sleeping, ****ing, ****ing, ****ting, killing and
caterwauling are cat activities. Study is not. Language is not.
Educating people about cats is equally unsuccessful because when it
comes to cute little kitties, people are equally incapable of logic or
rational thought.


Does work:

LAWS making it illegal to release cats-period. A cat in your posession
is yours. You are responsible for it, and if female, kittens it has
from impregnation through birth whilst in your posession. You may care
for it and keep it on your property, you may sell or give it away to
responsible new owners or you may give it to the pound or put it down
humanely. People are not responsible about cats, but they are
responsible about not going to jail.

CLEANING UP after ourselves. That means securing garbage and
foodstuffs. My theory is that feral cat populations exploded when
incineration ceased to be the way supermarkets and restaurants stopped
handling food garbage. Incineration is actually much more responsible
environmentally as ashes from exclusively edible remnants are good
fertilizer.

NOT FEEDING unowned cats. Cat lubbers caught feeding feral cats should
be made responsible for those cats including cat licenses,
immunizations, neutering, and most importantly held liable if Morris
the feral at the dumpster claws a kid or gets in a house and kills a
$500 parrot.

Finally: ELIMINATING feral colonies when they become a nuisance.
Anti-elimination propaganda is voodoo math at its finest. Clear out a
colony, and keep clearing out strays in the area, and new colonies
never form.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

Cat Protector wrote:
I hate to say it but you are not solving the problem. Many groups have
proven that TNR is the most effective and best way to deal with feral cats.
You can never breed out nor take away a cat's natural wild ability so taming
is pretty much a misconception. Also, remove a feral cat from an area more
will just come in and take their place. That is a fact.


I will support TNR when you can convince me you can get every single
cat out there, and sufficiently educate or terrorize the populace no
one will release fertile cats ever. Until then, the principles of
source reduction, non-natural food supply elimination, and REDUCING TO
POSSESSION of Felis Domesticus not properly owned by cat owners under
control, are the proven and time tested methods that work.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

You are obviously and idiotic troll. Perhaps you need to read about TNR.
BTW, intentionally starving a cat is animal cruelty and also not a proven
method. Of course you seem to enjoy talking out of your ass on this topic.

--
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www.panthertekit.com

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message

I will support TNR when you can convince me you can get every single
cat out there, and sufficiently educate or terrorize the populace no
one will release fertile cats ever. Until then, the principles of
source reduction, non-natural food supply elimination, and REDUCING TO
POSSESSION of Felis Domesticus not properly owned by cat owners under
control, are the proven and time tested methods that work.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

Oh boy Bret is really trying to be a big man again
You know what they say about people who try and talk big they are just a
little small in other departments

"Cat Protector" wrote in message
news:273kg.30213$ZW3.9779@dukeread04...
You are obviously and idiotic troll. Perhaps you need to read about TNR.
BTW, intentionally starving a cat is animal cruelty and also not a proven
method. Of course you seem to enjoy talking out of your ass on this topic.

--
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www.catgalaxymedia.com

Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs!
www.panthertekit.com

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message

I will support TNR when you can convince me you can get every single
cat out there, and sufficiently educate or terrorize the populace no
one will release fertile cats ever. Until then, the principles of
source reduction, non-natural food supply elimination, and REDUCING TO
POSSESSION of Felis Domesticus not properly owned by cat owners under
control, are the proven and time tested methods that work.

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

Cat Protector wrote:
You are obviously and idiotic troll. Perhaps you need to read about TNR.
BTW, intentionally starving a cat is animal cruelty and also not a proven
method. Of course you seem to enjoy talking out of your ass on this topic.



I am not talking about putting cats in captivity and not feeding them.
I am talking about keeping garbage away from what are ostensibly wild
animals and not feeding cats you don't own that are on their own. It's
misguided cat lubbers that artifically inflate feral numbers out of
proportion that require me to do what I do.

Do you feed bobcats, cougars, lynxes, wolves, coyotes and foxes? If
the answer is NO, but you feed ferals, you are a kitty and doggie
racist. Pure and simple. I'd shoot cougars all day if they were a
threat to humans, but since they are manifestly not (in my area) I
leave them alone unless one becomes a problem. I had a neighbor that
had one for a pet, I used to sit with her on the couch and scratch
behind her ears. They had a house cat too and I would pet it, I
certainly meant neither any harm. Ferals-true ferals- are a serious
problem and that, not cat hating per se, is my motive. When their
numbers decline to where they are not, I guarantee I'll find a better
use for the time.

I'm going to the Surplus Hut for some more of that cheap 7.62x39, case
lot. See you there.

Tally Ho!

Fixing the Feral Problem:What Does, Does Not Work
 

No you were cruelly saying they should be starved. You have done nothing but
talk out of your ass and have no experience whatsoever with feral cats. Why
don't you just admit that you are an idiot and simply leave the newsgroup?
That would be the best thing you could do.

--
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www.catgalaxymedia.com

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"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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I am not talking about putting cats in captivity and not feeding them.
I am talking about keeping garbage away from what are ostensibly wild
animals and not feeding cats you don't own that are on their own. It's
misguided cat lubbers that artifically inflate feral numbers out of
proportion that require me to do what I do.

Do you feed bobcats, cougars, lynxes, wolves, coyotes and foxes? If
the answer is NO, but you feed ferals, you are a kitty and doggie
racist. Pure and simple. I'd shoot cougars all day if they were a
threat to humans, but since they are manifestly not (in my area) I
leave them alone unless one becomes a problem. I had a neighbor that
had one for a pet, I used to sit with her on the couch and scratch
behind her ears. They had a house cat too and I would pet it, I
certainly meant neither any harm. Ferals-true ferals- are a serious
problem and that, not cat hating per se, is my motive. When their
numbers decline to where they are not, I guarantee I'll find a better
use for the time.

I'm going to the Surplus Hut for some more of that cheap 7.62x39, case
lot. See you there.

Tally Ho!