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Steve Crane wrote:
Joe Canuck wrote in message m... Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice Recipe? Joe et al, The website is updated within ~24 hours of any change in the formula. The pre-printed bags can often be printed months in advance. In this case the old bag you have contains the old "artificial antioxidant" labelling. That does not mean the product contains artificial antioxidants, simply old bags being used until they are gone. The product was changed months ago. I'd be curious to know the date on the older bag. I purchased the bag at least one month ago now. At the top of the bag is the following: "BEST BEFORE 04 2004 R26100916 AW". Here is a question: By the time a bag makes into a store, how far away from the expiry date should the bag be? I purchased this one from a local vet who had to order it. I would have liked a fresher product. Good thing I didn't order the 20 pound bag! -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Steve Crane wrote:
Joe Canuck wrote in message m... Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice Recipe? Joe et al, The website is updated within ~24 hours of any change in the formula. The pre-printed bags can often be printed months in advance. In this case the old bag you have contains the old "artificial antioxidant" labelling. That does not mean the product contains artificial antioxidants, simply old bags being used until they are gone. The product was changed months ago. I'd be curious to know the date on the older bag. I purchased the bag at least one month ago now. At the top of the bag is the following: "BEST BEFORE 04 2004 R26100916 AW". Here is a question: By the time a bag makes into a store, how far away from the expiry date should the bag be? I purchased this one from a local vet who had to order it. I would have liked a fresher product. Good thing I didn't order the 20 pound bag! -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
"ChakaShiva" wrote in message . ..
Thank you for that info. It does give alot of liberty. I wonder if the law applies when the product crosses the line to another country who might have different rules? That is correct, each country has its' own rules and regulations. Even the way the nutrients are displayed varies from one area to another. Japan is by far the most difficult and stringent of any country. EU is annoying, owing mostly to protectionist activities. I wonder if this retailer dealt directly with Hill's though, since he doesn't seem to carry much of an inventory of their product. Is there a minimum that they are suppose to carry? I can understand the company for wanting damaged bags off the shelf. It does tarnish the image. In fact, the first time I noticed the bag was within the moments I was hesitant on if I should really go the home-prepared way. The sight of that sorry bag kind of triggered the green light. I thought, yeah, I'll give it a try. It is possible. I believe Canada works the same way, since it is an actual division of Hill's. In some countries, Ukraine, South Africa, India, South America, etc, there is a distributor who set thier own rules and regulations about returns and damages. Minimum order in the US is only 75 pounds, so that rarely is an issue even for the smallest of veterinary clinics or pet retailers. Even the vet in Barrow Alaska doesn't have any trouble with the minimums. |
"ChakaShiva" wrote in message . ..
Thank you for that info. It does give alot of liberty. I wonder if the law applies when the product crosses the line to another country who might have different rules? That is correct, each country has its' own rules and regulations. Even the way the nutrients are displayed varies from one area to another. Japan is by far the most difficult and stringent of any country. EU is annoying, owing mostly to protectionist activities. I wonder if this retailer dealt directly with Hill's though, since he doesn't seem to carry much of an inventory of their product. Is there a minimum that they are suppose to carry? I can understand the company for wanting damaged bags off the shelf. It does tarnish the image. In fact, the first time I noticed the bag was within the moments I was hesitant on if I should really go the home-prepared way. The sight of that sorry bag kind of triggered the green light. I thought, yeah, I'll give it a try. It is possible. I believe Canada works the same way, since it is an actual division of Hill's. In some countries, Ukraine, South Africa, India, South America, etc, there is a distributor who set thier own rules and regulations about returns and damages. Minimum order in the US is only 75 pounds, so that rarely is an issue even for the smallest of veterinary clinics or pet retailers. Even the vet in Barrow Alaska doesn't have any trouble with the minimums. |
Joe Canuck wrote in message ...
I purchased the bag at least one month ago now. At the top of the bag is the following: "BEST BEFORE 04 2004 R26100916 AW". Here is a question: By the time a bag makes into a store, how far away from the expiry date should the bag be? Joe, That date indicates it was produced in April of 2003, about 7 months ago. That's actually quite old for most Hill's products. 20 years ago Hill's used to manufacture one type of food for a week or more and then switch to the next needed item. Production runs were always quite long because it used to take nearly 2 full days to switch a manufacturing line from one food to another. Automation, better equipment and computer driven manufacturing has reduced that switch over time to about 13 minutes. Hill's no longer makes more food than will be sold in any given week. Some exceptions, Hill's has a couple Prescription Diet products that have very small use. Some of these are non-profit products due to their low consumption rate and a single manufacturing run could be a few months supply. Most of the time the bags on the retail shelf will be less than a month old, especially in a veterinary clinic. Particularly true for Science Diet products with their larger volume demands. I would have to check with Canada and see if they are warehousing foods. I would doubt it. We have no warehousing anywhere in the US. We have local distribution points which may maintain a weeks supply at the most, of Science Diet products, but no warehousing to hold anything long term. Canned food we do tend to warehouse in Canada, Alaska, and some parts of the Pacific Northwest due to problems shipping it in the winter. Freezing canned food wreaks havoc with palatability. What part of Canada are you in? |
Joe Canuck wrote in message ...
I purchased the bag at least one month ago now. At the top of the bag is the following: "BEST BEFORE 04 2004 R26100916 AW". Here is a question: By the time a bag makes into a store, how far away from the expiry date should the bag be? Joe, That date indicates it was produced in April of 2003, about 7 months ago. That's actually quite old for most Hill's products. 20 years ago Hill's used to manufacture one type of food for a week or more and then switch to the next needed item. Production runs were always quite long because it used to take nearly 2 full days to switch a manufacturing line from one food to another. Automation, better equipment and computer driven manufacturing has reduced that switch over time to about 13 minutes. Hill's no longer makes more food than will be sold in any given week. Some exceptions, Hill's has a couple Prescription Diet products that have very small use. Some of these are non-profit products due to their low consumption rate and a single manufacturing run could be a few months supply. Most of the time the bags on the retail shelf will be less than a month old, especially in a veterinary clinic. Particularly true for Science Diet products with their larger volume demands. I would have to check with Canada and see if they are warehousing foods. I would doubt it. We have no warehousing anywhere in the US. We have local distribution points which may maintain a weeks supply at the most, of Science Diet products, but no warehousing to hold anything long term. Canned food we do tend to warehouse in Canada, Alaska, and some parts of the Pacific Northwest due to problems shipping it in the winter. Freezing canned food wreaks havoc with palatability. What part of Canada are you in? |
From: olitter (PawsForThought)
I heard that there was research indicating a strong link between bha and bht in science diet and kidney cancer in cats. Unfortunately, there is no such "link". Which insurance company was it? I want to know so that I can steer clear of them! BHA and BHT are completely safe preservatives when used at the levels found in pet foods. Period. http://www.takingthelead.co.uk/2/Hea...t_dog_food.htm That wasn't even a nice try, not even for you Lauren. That's the same opinion (word for word) that's posted on countless websites. Too bad, AGAIN, that there is no proof, but only somebody's opinion. Where's the research indicating a "strong link"?? Check out www.petdiets.com |
From: olitter (PawsForThought)
I heard that there was research indicating a strong link between bha and bht in science diet and kidney cancer in cats. Unfortunately, there is no such "link". Which insurance company was it? I want to know so that I can steer clear of them! BHA and BHT are completely safe preservatives when used at the levels found in pet foods. Period. http://www.takingthelead.co.uk/2/Hea...t_dog_food.htm That wasn't even a nice try, not even for you Lauren. That's the same opinion (word for word) that's posted on countless websites. Too bad, AGAIN, that there is no proof, but only somebody's opinion. Where's the research indicating a "strong link"?? Check out www.petdiets.com |
Steve Crane wrote:
Joe Canuck wrote in message ... I purchased the bag at least one month ago now. At the top of the bag is the following: "BEST BEFORE 04 2004 R26100916 AW". Here is a question: By the time a bag makes into a store, how far away from the expiry date should the bag be? Joe, That date indicates it was produced in April of 2003, about 7 months ago. That's actually quite old for most Hill's products. 20 years ago Hill's used to manufacture one type of food for a week or more and then switch to the next needed item. Production runs were always quite long because it used to take nearly 2 full days to switch a manufacturing line from one food to another. Automation, better equipment and computer driven manufacturing has reduced that switch over time to about 13 minutes. Hill's no longer makes more food than will be sold in any given week. Some exceptions, Hill's has a couple Prescription Diet products that have very small use. Some of these are non-profit products due to their low consumption rate and a single manufacturing run could be a few months supply. Most of the time the bags on the retail shelf will be less than a month old, especially in a veterinary clinic. Particularly true for Science Diet products with their larger volume demands. I would have to check with Canada and see if they are warehousing foods. I would doubt it. We have no warehousing anywhere in the US. We have local distribution points which may maintain a weeks supply at the most, of Science Diet products, but no warehousing to hold anything long term. Canned food we do tend to warehouse in Canada, Alaska, and some parts of the Pacific Northwest due to problems shipping it in the winter. Freezing canned food wreaks havoc with palatability. What part of Canada are you in? Rouyn-Noranda, Quebec... about 500 miles straight north of Montreal. When I order, the food takes less than a week to arrive at the vet. So the order time is great, but the product I get seems to have been sitting around for a while. I ordered two bags each within a week of each other. The SD Adult Chicken which we have been discussing, and a bag of SD Nature's Best... the expiry on that bag is "BEST BEFORE 07 2004 K17171455 PN" Now, I noticed at a store in town a rather sorry looking 8.5 lb bag of Science Diet Nature's Best. The bag was sitting on the floor by the door. This was the end of October, the expiry date was November the next month. Clerk tried to convince me to buy the bag which I didn't. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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