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From: "Jeremy Lowe"
As for only two pet food recalls, I think that is no great accomplishment. Compared to the human food industry, you don't think that is something to take note of?? It is not a crowning achievement for the pet food industry to state that it has had limited recalls. It's not? You've got to be kidding! Steve's points are very compelling. Your point of view doesn't seem to be based in reality. You have heard of self regulation I am sure, and if that is what the pet food industry is doing then it could (yes I said could) be the fox guarding the hen house. Again, you're looking at the glass as half empty. Do you think that pet food manufacturers want to get sued or suffer the consequences of downtime from a recall, or the negative public perception associated w/ such an event? There is nothing wrong w/ "self-regulation", unless you distrust everything around you. In that case it could be (yes I said could) parnoia. |
From: "Jeremy Lowe"
As for only two pet food recalls, I think that is no great accomplishment. Compared to the human food industry, you don't think that is something to take note of?? It is not a crowning achievement for the pet food industry to state that it has had limited recalls. It's not? You've got to be kidding! Steve's points are very compelling. Your point of view doesn't seem to be based in reality. You have heard of self regulation I am sure, and if that is what the pet food industry is doing then it could (yes I said could) be the fox guarding the hen house. Again, you're looking at the glass as half empty. Do you think that pet food manufacturers want to get sued or suffer the consequences of downtime from a recall, or the negative public perception associated w/ such an event? There is nothing wrong w/ "self-regulation", unless you distrust everything around you. In that case it could be (yes I said could) parnoia. |
Steve Crane wrote:
snip Yikes, I should have known, another dang Quebecois like my son in law. My youngest daughter just married a really terrific young man from Gatineau and is living in Hull Quebec nowdays, finishing her college at U of Ottawa - Only a few hundred miles south of you. :-) I lived in Ottawa for 15 years, very familiar with the area. :-) Although this place is my hometown I liked Ottawa better. Easier to get pet food for one thing... just toddle on down to the nearest PetSmart store and pickup whatever is needed. The dating you are getting is a couple months behind typical US dating, so there must be some warehousing activity in Mississaugua. I sent an email to a friend at Hill's Canada and confirmed that typically warehousing is about 2-3 months behind US. Part of this apparently due to import and export regulations I have no clue about. Apparently they feel it is appropriate to keep a 2-3 month supply on hand in case of any import export issues that might arise. Ah okay, that explains it then. I imagine they operate the warehouse on the basis of sending out the oldest food in stock first. Thank you for finding this out for me, much appreciated! -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Steve Crane wrote:
snip Yikes, I should have known, another dang Quebecois like my son in law. My youngest daughter just married a really terrific young man from Gatineau and is living in Hull Quebec nowdays, finishing her college at U of Ottawa - Only a few hundred miles south of you. :-) I lived in Ottawa for 15 years, very familiar with the area. :-) Although this place is my hometown I liked Ottawa better. Easier to get pet food for one thing... just toddle on down to the nearest PetSmart store and pickup whatever is needed. The dating you are getting is a couple months behind typical US dating, so there must be some warehousing activity in Mississaugua. I sent an email to a friend at Hill's Canada and confirmed that typically warehousing is about 2-3 months behind US. Part of this apparently due to import and export regulations I have no clue about. Apparently they feel it is appropriate to keep a 2-3 month supply on hand in case of any import export issues that might arise. Ah okay, that explains it then. I imagine they operate the warehouse on the basis of sending out the oldest food in stock first. Thank you for finding this out for me, much appreciated! -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
From: (GAUBSTER2)
Date: 12/2/2003 5:25 Checkmate! You've lost the argument. I've lost nothing and you know it. It's interesting that I supposedly have no concept of feline nutrition, yet none of my cats have ever been sick. Aside from spay or neuter bills, my vet bills have been virtually non-existent. OTOH, your cats have/had numerous problems. Why don't you answer the question? See, here is a perfect example about your comprehension problems. It was my DECEASED CATS who did poorly and were sick while on SCIENCE DIET. My present cats, who are fed a HOMEMADE RAW DIET that are healthy and have only been to the vet for spay/neuter and yearly well checks. Meesha was diagnosed with asthma BEFORE being on a homemade raw diet. Since being on the homemade raw diet and other natural remedies, she has improved greatly. My vet is amazed how well she is doing. We've never needed to put her on prednisone/steroids. As I have posted before, they have a full blood panel done, at first every 6 months, but now we're thinking of going to yearly, and all numbers are well within range. They are sleek and muscular, the most energetic cats I've ever had, bright eyed and bushy tailed, and they have never needed a dental cleaning, and have never had any parasites or fleas. So now what do you have to say, asshole? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
From: (GAUBSTER2)
Date: 12/2/2003 5:25 Checkmate! You've lost the argument. I've lost nothing and you know it. It's interesting that I supposedly have no concept of feline nutrition, yet none of my cats have ever been sick. Aside from spay or neuter bills, my vet bills have been virtually non-existent. OTOH, your cats have/had numerous problems. Why don't you answer the question? See, here is a perfect example about your comprehension problems. It was my DECEASED CATS who did poorly and were sick while on SCIENCE DIET. My present cats, who are fed a HOMEMADE RAW DIET that are healthy and have only been to the vet for spay/neuter and yearly well checks. Meesha was diagnosed with asthma BEFORE being on a homemade raw diet. Since being on the homemade raw diet and other natural remedies, she has improved greatly. My vet is amazed how well she is doing. We've never needed to put her on prednisone/steroids. As I have posted before, they have a full blood panel done, at first every 6 months, but now we're thinking of going to yearly, and all numbers are well within range. They are sleek and muscular, the most energetic cats I've ever had, bright eyed and bushy tailed, and they have never needed a dental cleaning, and have never had any parasites or fleas. So now what do you have to say, asshole? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
From: "Jeremy Lowe"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=Retrieve&list _uids=8914617&dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=Retrieve&list _uids=10212800&dopt=Abstract http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/roc/tenth/profiles/s027bha.pdf Thanks for posting these, Jeremy. Very interesting. Do you know if they've done any testing at all on cats specifically for the safety of BHA/BHT? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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