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enlightened us with... (Paulette) wrote in message ... If you give a cat morphine (if you could even OBTAIN morphine) it will go wild...climb the walls. etc. Morphine also stimulates horses. False True. Sort of. http://opioids.com/morphine/felinemania.html Quote:
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In article ,
enlightened us with... (Paulette) wrote in message ... If you give a cat morphine (if you could even OBTAIN morphine) it will go wild...climb the walls. etc. Morphine also stimulates horses. False True. Sort of. http://opioids.com/morphine/felinemania.html Quote:
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From: (A.J. Rivett)
(PawsForThought) wrote in message ... From: (jamie) Kathryn Stein wrote: (A.J. Rivett) wrote: When the time comes and I have to euthanize my cat, I would like to do it in the kindest way. I think this would be a nice meal of tuna juice and tuna with some morphine in the tuna juice. I have been told that 5 mg of morphine should be enough and that my cat would just fall asleep after eating her last meal. She wouldn't be traumatized at all and her last thoughts would be how nice the tuna tasted and now just a long nap until her next life. My question is whether 5 mg of morphine is about right. I don't want to traumatize the cat by having someone give her a needle or by having to take her to the vet (she hates the vet). I know that they don't give morphine, they give potassium chloride or something like that and I think morphine may be more expensive but it's a nicer way to go. The most humane euthanization, imho, would be to have the vet make a house visit. I've had that done and it was very peaceful. Agreed. In the drugged-tuna scenario, there's no way to be sure the cat wouldn't vomit the drug, or if he would eat enough of it mixed in food in the first place. Opiates cause vomiting in a percentage of humans, I would expect the same in cats. A semi-conscious cat aspirating vomit could turn this idealized scenario into a nightmare. Also, how many cats that are so ill that euthansia would be considered would even be able to eat? I've had the vet come to my house too and I think that's the least stressful. Lauren Thank you for your response. I was aware of the vomiting scenario as this is a problem in humans. I will probably opt for the vet visit although when the initial sedative was given to one of my previous cats, it was not appreciated by the cat. She couldn't figure out why she was losing her coordination and she became agitated. That is why I'm looking to something that will allow her to sleep without knowing that she is being snuffed. My belief is that cats know when somebody is trying to off them and a needle in the butt is a sure sign that something's up. Yes, unfortunately, I also had a bad experience when one of my cats was euthanized. She was very ill and the vet had a hard time finding a vein, plus she was protesting greatly. My husband tried to remind me that anything a vet did to Queenie always made her upset. But still it was really horrible. So like you, I would also like to know of a better way. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm |
From: (A.J. Rivett)
(PawsForThought) wrote in message ... From: (jamie) Kathryn Stein wrote: (A.J. Rivett) wrote: When the time comes and I have to euthanize my cat, I would like to do it in the kindest way. I think this would be a nice meal of tuna juice and tuna with some morphine in the tuna juice. I have been told that 5 mg of morphine should be enough and that my cat would just fall asleep after eating her last meal. She wouldn't be traumatized at all and her last thoughts would be how nice the tuna tasted and now just a long nap until her next life. My question is whether 5 mg of morphine is about right. I don't want to traumatize the cat by having someone give her a needle or by having to take her to the vet (she hates the vet). I know that they don't give morphine, they give potassium chloride or something like that and I think morphine may be more expensive but it's a nicer way to go. The most humane euthanization, imho, would be to have the vet make a house visit. I've had that done and it was very peaceful. Agreed. In the drugged-tuna scenario, there's no way to be sure the cat wouldn't vomit the drug, or if he would eat enough of it mixed in food in the first place. Opiates cause vomiting in a percentage of humans, I would expect the same in cats. A semi-conscious cat aspirating vomit could turn this idealized scenario into a nightmare. Also, how many cats that are so ill that euthansia would be considered would even be able to eat? I've had the vet come to my house too and I think that's the least stressful. Lauren Thank you for your response. I was aware of the vomiting scenario as this is a problem in humans. I will probably opt for the vet visit although when the initial sedative was given to one of my previous cats, it was not appreciated by the cat. She couldn't figure out why she was losing her coordination and she became agitated. That is why I'm looking to something that will allow her to sleep without knowing that she is being snuffed. My belief is that cats know when somebody is trying to off them and a needle in the butt is a sure sign that something's up. Yes, unfortunately, I also had a bad experience when one of my cats was euthanized. She was very ill and the vet had a hard time finding a vein, plus she was protesting greatly. My husband tried to remind me that anything a vet did to Queenie always made her upset. But still it was really horrible. So like you, I would also like to know of a better way. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm |
"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: (A.J. Rivett) (PawsForThought) wrote in message ... From: (jamie) Kathryn Stein wrote: (A.J. Rivett) wrote: When the time comes and I have to euthanize my cat, I would like to do it in the kindest way. I think this would be a nice meal of tuna juice and tuna with some morphine in the tuna juice. I have been told that 5 mg of morphine should be enough and that my cat would just fall asleep after eating her last meal. She wouldn't be traumatized at all and her last thoughts would be how nice the tuna tasted and now just a long nap until her next life. My question is whether 5 mg of morphine is about right. I don't want to traumatize the cat by having someone give her a needle or by having to take her to the vet (she hates the vet). I know that they don't give morphine, they give potassium chloride or something like that and I think morphine may be more expensive but it's a nicer way to go. The most humane euthanization, imho, would be to have the vet make a house visit. I've had that done and it was very peaceful. Agreed. In the drugged-tuna scenario, there's no way to be sure the cat wouldn't vomit the drug, or if he would eat enough of it mixed in food in the first place. Opiates cause vomiting in a percentage of humans, I would expect the same in cats. A semi-conscious cat aspirating vomit could turn this idealized scenario into a nightmare. Also, how many cats that are so ill that euthansia would be considered would even be able to eat? I've had the vet come to my house too and I think that's the least stressful. Lauren Thank you for your response. I was aware of the vomiting scenario as this is a problem in humans. I will probably opt for the vet visit although when the initial sedative was given to one of my previous cats, it was not appreciated by the cat. She couldn't figure out why she was losing her coordination and she became agitated. That is why I'm looking to something that will allow her to sleep without knowing that she is being snuffed. My belief is that cats know when somebody is trying to off them and a needle in the butt is a sure sign that something's up. Yes, unfortunately, I also had a bad experience when one of my cats was euthanized. She was very ill and the vet had a hard time finding a vein, plus she was protesting greatly. My husband tried to remind me that anything a vet did to Queenie always made her upset. But still it was really horrible. So like you, I would also like to know of a better way. A IM injection of a sedative and then a direct cardiac stick with the euthanasia drug would be easiest on an animal that had hydration problems or other issues with finding a vein. Unfortunately, most pet owners are more upset by this procedure than repeated attempts to find a vein. A direct cardiac stick on an already sedated patient is painless and exceedingly quick. It's just not "pretty". I've participated in probably 200 animal euthnasias by a veterinarian with me acting as a tech, and on the small kittens or sick cats, this was the optimal procedure for shelter animals because it was the most humane. The vet rarely offered this to any but the most medically knowledgable pet owners however, because of the poor reaction that most of them had to the image of a needle to the heart. |
"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: (A.J. Rivett) (PawsForThought) wrote in message ... From: (jamie) Kathryn Stein wrote: (A.J. Rivett) wrote: When the time comes and I have to euthanize my cat, I would like to do it in the kindest way. I think this would be a nice meal of tuna juice and tuna with some morphine in the tuna juice. I have been told that 5 mg of morphine should be enough and that my cat would just fall asleep after eating her last meal. She wouldn't be traumatized at all and her last thoughts would be how nice the tuna tasted and now just a long nap until her next life. My question is whether 5 mg of morphine is about right. I don't want to traumatize the cat by having someone give her a needle or by having to take her to the vet (she hates the vet). I know that they don't give morphine, they give potassium chloride or something like that and I think morphine may be more expensive but it's a nicer way to go. The most humane euthanization, imho, would be to have the vet make a house visit. I've had that done and it was very peaceful. Agreed. In the drugged-tuna scenario, there's no way to be sure the cat wouldn't vomit the drug, or if he would eat enough of it mixed in food in the first place. Opiates cause vomiting in a percentage of humans, I would expect the same in cats. A semi-conscious cat aspirating vomit could turn this idealized scenario into a nightmare. Also, how many cats that are so ill that euthansia would be considered would even be able to eat? I've had the vet come to my house too and I think that's the least stressful. Lauren Thank you for your response. I was aware of the vomiting scenario as this is a problem in humans. I will probably opt for the vet visit although when the initial sedative was given to one of my previous cats, it was not appreciated by the cat. She couldn't figure out why she was losing her coordination and she became agitated. That is why I'm looking to something that will allow her to sleep without knowing that she is being snuffed. My belief is that cats know when somebody is trying to off them and a needle in the butt is a sure sign that something's up. Yes, unfortunately, I also had a bad experience when one of my cats was euthanized. She was very ill and the vet had a hard time finding a vein, plus she was protesting greatly. My husband tried to remind me that anything a vet did to Queenie always made her upset. But still it was really horrible. So like you, I would also like to know of a better way. A IM injection of a sedative and then a direct cardiac stick with the euthanasia drug would be easiest on an animal that had hydration problems or other issues with finding a vein. Unfortunately, most pet owners are more upset by this procedure than repeated attempts to find a vein. A direct cardiac stick on an already sedated patient is painless and exceedingly quick. It's just not "pretty". I've participated in probably 200 animal euthnasias by a veterinarian with me acting as a tech, and on the small kittens or sick cats, this was the optimal procedure for shelter animals because it was the most humane. The vet rarely offered this to any but the most medically knowledgable pet owners however, because of the poor reaction that most of them had to the image of a needle to the heart. |
"A.J. Rivett" wrote in message om... When the time comes and I have to euthanize my cat, I would like to do it in the kindest way. I think this would be a nice meal of tuna juice and tuna with some morphine in the tuna juice. I have been told that 5 mg of morphine should be enough and that my cat would just fall asleep after eating her last meal. She wouldn't be traumatized at all and her last thoughts would be how nice the tuna tasted and now just a long nap until her next life. My question is whether 5 mg of morphine is about right. I don't want to traumatize the cat by having someone give her a needle or by having to take her to the vet (she hates the vet). I know that they don't give morphine, they give potassium chloride or something like that and I think morphine may be more expensive but it's a nicer way to go. From where are you going to get morphine? |
"A.J. Rivett" wrote in message om... When the time comes and I have to euthanize my cat, I would like to do it in the kindest way. I think this would be a nice meal of tuna juice and tuna with some morphine in the tuna juice. I have been told that 5 mg of morphine should be enough and that my cat would just fall asleep after eating her last meal. She wouldn't be traumatized at all and her last thoughts would be how nice the tuna tasted and now just a long nap until her next life. My question is whether 5 mg of morphine is about right. I don't want to traumatize the cat by having someone give her a needle or by having to take her to the vet (she hates the vet). I know that they don't give morphine, they give potassium chloride or something like that and I think morphine may be more expensive but it's a nicer way to go. From where are you going to get morphine? |
"A.J. Rivett" wrote in message om... I will probably opt for the vet visit although when the initial sedative was given to one of my previous cats, it was not appreciated by the cat. She couldn't figure out why she was losing her coordination and she became agitated. Either your vet is an asshole or he had no training in euthanasia. Your vet should have used a catheter to ensure that your cat died peacefully, without adverse effects. After the saline flush he should have used a rapid acting barbiturate - like thiopental, which puts the cat into a mellow state of relaxation and then anesthesia before the final drug. Euthanasia should be conducted like a ceremony. Its the final gift that we lovingly bestow upon our dearly loved cats. I make absolutely sure our terminally ill and dying cats' euthanasias are conducted with the same respect and reverence as my own. I have no tolerance for vets who simply kill cats as part of a day's work. |
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