How do I know if he is reblocking?
I am absolutely paranoid since experiencing my first blockage with my cat
last weekend. He has been doing great. I just got home from work and the first thing I do is go to the litter box. At that time, my other cat was using it. So, when he was done, I cleaned it and there was two total pees in it from the day. After a little bit, my little guy who was blocked used it and he did not pee all that much, although it was not much less at all than my healthy cat. There was no straining and he is no exhibiting any other symptoms like he did last week. I would say that the pee in the litter box amounted to about the size of a golf ball. Does this sound like he is reblocking? You know, before he blocked, I never paid attention to the size of the pees in the litter box, so now I don't know what is normal. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone! -- Message posted via CatKB.com http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx...ealth/200610/1 |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
I have never had a blocked kitty - thank God - but my 4 year old pees
twice a day an oval about 4 inches long and 3 inches wide. He is on canned food. MoMo via CatKB.com wrote: I am absolutely paranoid since experiencing my first blockage with my cat last weekend. He has been doing great. I just got home from work and the first thing I do is go to the litter box. At that time, my other cat was using it. So, when he was done, I cleaned it and there was two total pees in it from the day. After a little bit, my little guy who was blocked used it and he did not pee all that much, although it was not much less at all than my healthy cat. There was no straining and he is no exhibiting any other symptoms like he did last week. I would say that the pee in the litter box amounted to about the size of a golf ball. Does this sound like he is reblocking? You know, before he blocked, I never paid attention to the size of the pees in the litter box, so now I don't know what is normal. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone! -- Message posted via CatKB.com http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx...ealth/200610/1 |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
"MoMo via CatKB.com" u27647@uwe wrote in message news:67b9b159b8f0f@uwe... I am absolutely paranoid since experiencing my first blockage with my cat last weekend. He has been doing great. I just got home from work and the first thing I do is go to the litter box. At that time, my other cat was using it. So, when he was done, I cleaned it and there was two total pees in it from the day. After a little bit, my little guy who was blocked used it and he did not pee all that much, although it was not much less at all than my healthy cat. There was no straining and he is no exhibiting any other symptoms like he did last week. I would say that the pee in the litter box amounted to about the size of a golf ball. Does this sound like he is reblocking? You know, before he blocked, I never paid attention to the size of the pees in the litter box, so now I don't know what is normal. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone! Add a little salt to his diet- it will increase his water consumption and won't hurt his blood pressure or kidneys. Phil |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
Phil P. wrote: Add a little salt to his diet- it will increase his water consumption and won't hurt his blood pressure or kidneys. Phil What?! Are you actually suggesting that he add salt to the cat's diet just to be happy about the size of his pees? --tension |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
"tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message ups.com... Phil P. wrote: Add a little salt to his diet- it will increase his water consumption and won't hurt his blood pressure or kidneys. Phil What?! Are you actually suggesting that he add salt to the cat's diet just to be happy about the size of his pees? Yeah- That's right. The urine concentration of solutes- especilly calculogenic crystalloids, depends on urine volume. The higher the urine volume the more dilute the urine and the lower the risk of crystals forming. Any more questions? |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
Phil P. wrote: Yeah- That's right. The urine concentration of solutes- especilly calculogenic crystalloids, depends on urine volume. The higher the urine volume the more dilute the urine and the lower the risk of crystals forming. Any more questions? Thank you for your response. Yes, indeed, I have more questions. First of all, are you a DVM? I'll be much more reassured, though it wouldn't be necessary if you can explain the mechanism sufficiently as you did. I am aware of the value of diluting the urine to reduce the precipitation factor of crystalloids, but this is not generally a method for increasing water intake with humans (including babies who like cats cannot be told to drink more) and so my next question: Second of all, I am very curious to know what it is about a cat's physiology that would protect him from hypertension and renal disease from too much salt intake? Third of all, is there really nothing that could be added directly to the water to make it more palatable to the cat without having to make him thirsty or altering the balance of his fluids and electrolytes? Fourth of all, since you are asking for questions, what is the most common calculus composition in cats? --tension |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
"tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: Yeah- That's right. The urine concentration of solutes- especilly calculogenic crystalloids, depends on urine volume. The higher the urine volume the more dilute the urine and the lower the risk of crystals forming. Any more questions? Thank you for your response. Yes, indeed, I have more questions. It was a rhetorical question... Seems like you have a lot of research to do... Are you related to Treeline by any chance? |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
Ok, I am back and am currently waiting for my vet to call me back but in the
meantime, I thought I would ask the question here. I feel like my cat's urine output is still get smaller everyday. I went to the vet's over the weekend (without my cat, just to pick up food) and told the vet about this and was told that as long as he is peeing when he is in the litter box he is not blocked. But now when I check, he is only putting out urine that is clumping to about the size of a dime and I am getting really worried. He is not straining in the litter box when he does this so could this just be how he usually is? I never paid attention before the blockage. He had two decent size urine outputs yesterday, one being about 11:30 last night. What do you guys think? Phil P. wrote: Yeah- That's right. The urine concentration of solutes- especilly calculogenic crystalloids, depends on urine volume. The higher the urine [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] Yes, indeed, I have more questions. It was a rhetorical question... Seems like you have a lot of research to do... Are you related to Treeline by any chance? -- Message posted via CatKB.com http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx...ealth/200610/1 |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
Phil P. wrote:
"tension_on_the_wire" wrote: Phil P. wrote: Any more questions? Thank you for your response. Yes, indeed, I have more questions. It was a rhetorical question... Seems like you have a lot of research to do... Are you related to Treeline by any chance? No, I am sorry I don't know anyone by that name. Why did you not answer any of my questions? I have done quite a bit of research about this area, for the record, and the reason I am so surprised by your suggestion is that it would seem to me that the very first suggestion you should have made, if you are qualified (which I still don't know if you are, or not) should have been regarding the diet itself, and whether or not it contains sufficient water content. A cat who has had urinary blockage and likely from struvite crytals has an essential need for lots of water, a point upon which we obviously agree. But I question salt in the diet as being the first and most appropriate suggestion. The first suggestion I would have made is to ensure that the cat is on a canned or raw meat diet allowing for at least a 70% water content, rather than a dry food diet which contains only about 10% water. Cats on dry food will drink more free water, but not generally enough to compensate what they would get if they ate a watery diet such as wet food. Cats do not have a strong thirst mechanism and trying to heighten it with salt, rather than working with the cats own physiology and giving him a diet which is less prone to causing a state of chronic dehydration seems a much more sensible route to me. Since struvite crystals are highly precipitable in low water content, I don't really see the point of adding salt to a diet to temporarily increase thirst, and water intake in a way which would then subsequently trigger a compensatory response of increased urine *and* salt output resulting once again in the original state of chronic dehydration. That seems like a quick fix solution, rather than a definitive answer that might actually get at the etiology of the original problem. And I fail to see why cats are *protected* from hypertension. My own cat is hypertensive, though not from salt intake, for sure. But cats are prone to hypertension for other reasons, a common cause being hyperthyroidism, for example, and since chronic renal failure, which most certainly can result from hypertension, is one of the number one killers of domestic cats, I am curious to know why you think salt can be added to the diet so easily with impunity? I am not a DVM, and if you are, and if you are here in good faith to answer people's questions, why won't you engage in an informative discussion with me about this? If I am mistaken about anything I have said here, I would most humbly appreciate being corrected. But just telling me that I have a lot of research to do is somewhat arrogant and condescending of you. It would certainly be informative for many people reading this post including the original poster who has problems with his cat. --tension |
How do I know if he is reblocking?
"tension_on_the_wire" wrote in message oups.com... Phil P. wrote: "tension_on_the_wire" wrote: Phil P. wrote: Any more questions? Thank you for your response. Yes, indeed, I have more questions. It was a rhetorical question... Seems like you have a lot of research to do... Are you related to Treeline by any chance? No, I am sorry I don't know anyone by that name. That's a surprise. Why did you not answer any of my questions? Google the group- You'll find I've answered the same questions at least a few hundred times over the last 7 or 8 years. But the real reason I didn't answer is because I didn't like the way you asked or your first reply to my post. I have done quite a bit of research about this area, for the record, and the reason I am so surprised by your suggestion Apparently your "quite a bit of research" isn't as much as you think it is-- Since my suggestion surprised you, obviously, your research wasn't enough and you don't know as much as you think you do. is that it would seem to me that the very first suggestion you should have made, if you are qualified (which I still don't know if you are, or not) Qualified? This is a newsgroup, Einstein. Who the hell are you to determine whose "qualified". should have been regarding the diet itself, and whether or not it contains sufficient water content. No, really? Nothing gets past your lightening quick perception, does it? Feeding canned food *was* my first suggestion, Einstein. This isn't the first thread by the OP on this subject. Perhaps you should read the group to see what has been posted before you shoot yourself in the foot trying to show how much you (don't) know.. From: "Phil P." Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: My cat just had a blockage. What now? "Phil P." wrote in message news:66lWg.3512$W35.1657@trnddc06 "Whether he had a crystal or plug- your should feed your cat only canned food if possible. The type of diet depends on the type of crystals: Hill's s/d for struvite dissolution and c/d for management; Hill's x/d for calcium oxalate. Canned diets increase water consumption which results in a more dilute urine. The increased water consumption also results in more frequent urination which helps eliminate small crystal particles before they become large enough to interfere with urination. You can help increase his water consumption by adding a few more water bowls and getting a a Drinkwell water fountain." When your foot heals, visit the Feline Nutrition section on my site and look up the references on the bottom of the page. You might learn something. Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is really better? http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutr...i ch_is_reall snip I am curious to know why you think salt can be added to the diet so easily with impunity? Here's why: J Vet Intern Med 2002;16:788. Luckschander N, Iben C, Desprez C, et al. Does increasing dietary NaCl affect blood pressure in adult healthy cats? Am J Vet Res 2004; 65 (5): 620-627 Buranakarl C, Mathur S, Brown SA. Effects of dietary sodium chloride intake on renal function and blood pressure in cats with normal and reduced renal function. . I am not a DVM, and if you are, Neither am I. and if you are here in good faith to answer people's questions, I answer questions to help people help their cats- I don't have time for ****ing contests with assholes who read a few websites and think they know so much. By the way- why did you crosspost this thread to other groups? Do you want all the groups to see what a jerk you are? |
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