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Another cat saved by declawing.
My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience)
by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. My friends Ken and Kathy told me about the success they had with declawing their equally destructive cat so I thought I would give it a try. I only had the front ones done, as DQB was not doing much with the back ones. DQB walked gingerly for about a week or two, but since then no problems. The owner (moi) is much happier now. Another cat saved from the knackers. Thank you Jesus for seeing DQB through the brief recovery and helping me have the perservance .... Amen! CW2004 |
He Who Walks wrote:
My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience) by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. Troll, right? 8^(~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson ************************************************* http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/ |
"Suzie-Q" wrote in message ... He Who Walks wrote: My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience) by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. Troll, right? Must be a troll. Everyone knows that furniture is a lot more important than the health and inherent dignity of an animal. I suppose the original poster had his or her fingers snipped off at the first knuckle at the same time. I so hate those scratches fingernails make in the paint of my Mercedes around the door handles. Figure this any way you want, mutilating a cat to preserve furniture is NOT humane! If you can't have a cat in original conditon in your precious house you don't deserve to have a cat with you. The "out of town for two or three days" is probably a tip-off. Right. Troll. I'm stupid to even reply. Alan ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:52:24 -0800, He Who Walks wrote:
My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience) by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, please do not feed the trolls. -- Dennis Carr - | I may be out of my mind, http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way. ------------------------------------+------------------------------- |
Just another sick troll who wants to get attention by promoting the
disgusting and abusive practice of declawing. He should change his user name from "He Who Walks" to "He Who Walks With Shame." -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "He Who Walks" wrote in message om... My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience) by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. My friends Ken and Kathy told me about the success they had with declawing their equally destructive cat so I thought I would give it a try. I only had the front ones done, as DQB was not doing much with the back ones. DQB walked gingerly for about a week or two, but since then no problems. The owner (moi) is much happier now. Another cat saved from the knackers. Thank you Jesus for seeing DQB through the brief recovery and helping me have the perservance .... Amen! CW2004 |
Hey, I'm a member of
PETA People Eating Tasty Animals "Alan Sandoval" wrote in message ... "Suzie-Q" wrote in message ... He Who Walks wrote: My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience) by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. Troll, right? Must be a troll. Everyone knows that furniture is a lot more important than the health and inherent dignity of an animal. I suppose the original poster had his or her fingers snipped off at the first knuckle at the same time. I so hate those scratches fingernails make in the paint of my Mercedes around the door handles. Figure this any way you want, mutilating a cat to preserve furniture is NOT humane! If you can't have a cat in original conditon in your precious house you don't deserve to have a cat with you. The "out of town for two or three days" is probably a tip-off. Right. Troll. I'm stupid to even reply. Alan ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Ah another troll comes out from the darkness to expose himself. Either that
or it is the same troll using a different account to make himself look like a supporter of the OP. Girlie-boy? How original. Got any other boring or non-original words to use? Don't feed the trolls. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "The Nice Mean Man" wrote in message Shut your mouth, girlie-boy. |
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Whoops! That's habits not habbits.... What was I thinking?....
Judy F "Judy F" wrote in message . net... If you declaw a cat (aside from ethical issues) they often develop other habbits like biting, and urinating outside their boxes. These are habits that you might find more annoying and "un live-with-able" than the original problem. Judy F "Mark Healey" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:52:24 UTC, (He Who Walks) wrote: My cat (DQB) had been tearing up my furniture (as well as my patience) by clawing everything, particularly when I would have to be being out of town for two or three days at a time. My friends Ken and Kathy told me about the success they had with declawing their equally destructive cat so I thought I would give it a try. I only had the front ones done, as DQB was not doing much with the back ones. DQB walked gingerly for about a week or two, but since then no problems. The owner (moi) is much happier now. Another cat saved from the knackers. Thank you Jesus for seeing DQB through the brief recovery and helping me have the perservance .... Amen! I don't know if this guy is a troll or not but I've been seriously considering it. I have a couch at the upholstery guys place right now. I told him to make some pieces that go over the arms from the scrap but that is a temporary measure. I'm not home to be Joe vigilant training them not to scratch. They have a cat stand that they ignore. They have torn up my box spring, the above mentioned couch, a $100 leather covered book. That is all live-with-able. What isn't is that one likes to scratch my Mame-cab at night. It is pretty much a Formica covered hollow box. There isn't much damage but it is all kinds of noisy and he seems to only like to do it when I am just starting to doze off. I would like the pros and cons without a bunch of high abstractions about mutilating their natural form (they are already eunuchs). -- Mark Heaely marknews(at)healeyonline(dot)com |
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:22:14 UTC, Laura R.
wrote: circa Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:11:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mark Healey ) said, That is all live-with-able. What isn't is that one likes to scratch my Mame-cab at night. It is pretty much a Formica covered hollow box. There isn't much damage but it is all kinds of noisy and he seems to only like to do it when I am just starting to doze off. I would like the pros and cons without a bunch of high abstractions about mutilating their natural form (they are already eunuchs). Soft Paws. http://www.softpaws.com Have you used them and do you have any interrest in the company? -- Mark Heaely marknews(at)healeyonline(dot)com |
Just thought I'd share this with people considering declawing their cats....
I've always had cats, and I've never had any of them scratch up my furniture. Early on, I happened to discover why. Those carpet-covered scratching posts that you can get at pet stores are no good at all -- cats want something nice and rough to scratch on. So I made my own scratching post/pad thusly: Get a piece of sturdy wood or plywood 12"-8" wide X about 24" long. Go to the hardware store and buy a good length of sisal rope, the really rough and hairy stuff, but relatively thin, between 1/8" - 3/8" diameter. Tack the end of the rope across the bottom face of the board with some carpet tacks (be sure the nails don't penetrate to the other side of the board), then wind the rope around the board until it wraps the board completely, all the way to the top. Tack it again at the top. Leave this on the floor somewhere in your cats' regular travel path. You can also apply some catnip extract (just boil up some catnip in water and strain it) to get them started. Some cats like the board at an angle, you can put one end up on a brick or something like that to give it a little bit of slope. I imagine you could make something like this with carpet if you put the rough side of the carpet OUT, instead of the fluffy side. I have also used an old roll of carpet, rolled with the rough side out -- they go mad for it. M9 |
(Mark Healey) wrote in message ...
Soft Paws. http://www.softpaws.com Have you used them and do you have any interrest in the company? Inappropriate cross-posting removed. If you are having problems with cats ruining your furniture DO NOT declaw them - unless you want your furniture ruined by inappropriate elimination. Up to 30% of all declawed cats develop one behavioral problem or another, the most common being peeing inappropriately (see below). I used to apply Soft Paws every day at a feline specialty vet where I worked. I also do counseling for scratching and behavioral problems in cats. Below, I will cut and paste a review of Soft Paws which I wrote for another NG. As for scratching problems, most can be solved without resorting to declawing. Cats scratch to relieve tension and to mark territory, so they WILL scratch, regardless of what you do. If a cat fails to use a scratching post, it is usually because the cat is not satisfied by the surfaces of the post, and the post is too small or not stable enough. I always recommend purchasing a large cat tree, and covering the tree with multiple surfaces, such as sisal, carpet (pile and backing), raw wood (bark and/or pulp), burlap, different fabrics and anything else you can get your hands on that might be attractive to kitty feet. If you provide a surface more attractive than the furniture, your cats WILL use it. Trimmed nails are less likely to do major damage if the cat is scratching inappropriately, so I recommend trimming nails every two weeks or so. Also, there is a product called Feliaway which will encourage paw marking (scratching) which you can spray on your cat tree to encourage appropriate scratching. As for declawing, there are a few studies which show an increased incidence of behavior problems in declawed cats, and long term complications have been found in roughly 20% of cats declawed. Inappropriate elimination is a common problem. Having participated in the surgery and been the primary aftercare provider for cats and kittens undergoing the surgery, I could never, in good faith, recommend declawing any cat, of any age. (Prior to my experiences as a vet tech, I though declawing was a benign surgery. Not any more.) Good luck, and I hope you can find a solution which works for you. -L. paste SoftPaws Some people were asking about SoftPaws. I work at a vet, and apply these things every day, to all kinds of cats. Here is my take: Description: A set of rubber nail covers which are glued to the nail, after trimming, with a super-glue-like substance. They are used to keep the kitty from scratching things that may be damaged by unaltered nails. **************** Pros: They are really, really easy to apply if kitty cooperates, and will let you trim her nails easily. They take about 5-8 minutes to apply, once you get the hang of it. They are relatively inexpensive (about $10-12/set, if applied at the vet, and they last 1-3 months.) They are even less expensive if you buy your own kit and apply them at home. They do not interfere with normal claw usage, but protect things you do not want scratched, fairly effectively. Some cats do very, very well with them. **************** Cons: Some cats *detest* them, and will fight you tooth and nail (excuse the pun) when you try to apply them. Some cats pull them off easily. The glue is very sticky, and will stick to and damage any surface it encounters (including human skin). If the glue touches any skin while wet (human or cat), it burns. It is fairly caustic. Some cats are allergic to the glue. If the nail is trimmed too short, the glue can damage the nail bed, which results in a crusty/ill formed nail, when the nail grows out. They work best of the nail is trimmed fairly short, and if the glue is applied in the inner 2/3 of the cap, before application. The caps need to be fitted properly. Many technicians tend to use caps that are too large, and then the cat is constantly fighting with the caps, as they "feel" awkward. (Or they chew them off!) One cat may need more than one size of caps to accomodate all nails on the foot (e.g. mediums on all nails except 'pinky", which needs a small). The caps need to be applied quickly after the glue is applied...the glue dries very quickly. This can be tricky for beginners. **************** Overall impression: I think trimming nails often (every 1-2 weeks) is a better, more wholistic solution to scratching problems, than Softpaws. If you are unable to do this, SoftPaws may be a solution for you. Overall, it is a good product, but may not be good for every cat. |
Wow, thank you so much for sharing that. I've been arguing with my mom over
declawing or not declawing. She grew in the thinking that declawing was ok. And I know it is not. So I try to convince her that it's not a thing to do. You just gave me very good arguments there. Thank you very much :) Mia "-L." wrote in message m... (Mark Healey) wrote in message t... Soft Paws. http://www.softpaws.com Have you used them and do you have any interrest in the company? Inappropriate cross-posting removed. If you are having problems with cats ruining your furniture DO NOT declaw them - unless you want your furniture ruined by inappropriate elimination. Up to 30% of all declawed cats develop one behavioral problem or another, the most common being peeing inappropriately (see below). I used to apply Soft Paws every day at a feline specialty vet where I worked. I also do counseling for scratching and behavioral problems in cats. Below, I will cut and paste a review of Soft Paws which I wrote for another NG. As for scratching problems, most can be solved without resorting to declawing. Cats scratch to relieve tension and to mark territory, so they WILL scratch, regardless of what you do. If a cat fails to use a scratching post, it is usually because the cat is not satisfied by the surfaces of the post, and the post is too small or not stable enough. I always recommend purchasing a large cat tree, and covering the tree with multiple surfaces, such as sisal, carpet (pile and backing), raw wood (bark and/or pulp), burlap, different fabrics and anything else you can get your hands on that might be attractive to kitty feet. If you provide a surface more attractive than the furniture, your cats WILL use it. Trimmed nails are less likely to do major damage if the cat is scratching inappropriately, so I recommend trimming nails every two weeks or so. Also, there is a product called Feliaway which will encourage paw marking (scratching) which you can spray on your cat tree to encourage appropriate scratching. As for declawing, there are a few studies which show an increased incidence of behavior problems in declawed cats, and long term complications have been found in roughly 20% of cats declawed. Inappropriate elimination is a common problem. Having participated in the surgery and been the primary aftercare provider for cats and kittens undergoing the surgery, I could never, in good faith, recommend declawing any cat, of any age. (Prior to my experiences as a vet tech, I though declawing was a benign surgery. Not any more.) Good luck, and I hope you can find a solution which works for you. -L. paste SoftPaws Some people were asking about SoftPaws. I work at a vet, and apply these things every day, to all kinds of cats. Here is my take: Description: A set of rubber nail covers which are glued to the nail, after trimming, with a super-glue-like substance. They are used to keep the kitty from scratching things that may be damaged by unaltered nails. **************** Pros: They are really, really easy to apply if kitty cooperates, and will let you trim her nails easily. They take about 5-8 minutes to apply, once you get the hang of it. They are relatively inexpensive (about $10-12/set, if applied at the vet, and they last 1-3 months.) They are even less expensive if you buy your own kit and apply them at home. They do not interfere with normal claw usage, but protect things you do not want scratched, fairly effectively. Some cats do very, very well with them. **************** Cons: Some cats *detest* them, and will fight you tooth and nail (excuse the pun) when you try to apply them. Some cats pull them off easily. The glue is very sticky, and will stick to and damage any surface it encounters (including human skin). If the glue touches any skin while wet (human or cat), it burns. It is fairly caustic. Some cats are allergic to the glue. If the nail is trimmed too short, the glue can damage the nail bed, which results in a crusty/ill formed nail, when the nail grows out. They work best of the nail is trimmed fairly short, and if the glue is applied in the inner 2/3 of the cap, before application. The caps need to be fitted properly. Many technicians tend to use caps that are too large, and then the cat is constantly fighting with the caps, as they "feel" awkward. (Or they chew them off!) One cat may need more than one size of caps to accomodate all nails on the foot (e.g. mediums on all nails except 'pinky", which needs a small). The caps need to be applied quickly after the glue is applied...the glue dries very quickly. This can be tricky for beginners. **************** Overall impression: I think trimming nails often (every 1-2 weeks) is a better, more wholistic solution to scratching problems, than Softpaws. If you are unable to do this, SoftPaws may be a solution for you. Overall, it is a good product, but may not be good for every cat. |
When we adopted Misha, we built her a cat tree... We used two kind of
surfaces but one is not so accessible. We were lucky enough though, She loves her tree... I'll post a picture on alt.binaries.pictures.animals for the ones who wish to see it. It was great fun to make, and Misha made it her property. Since she arrived in the family 9 years after the others, it wasn't necessarily easy for her to find a place that would belong to her. So her tree helped with that. When she wants peace, she sleeps on the top "shelf" ... The tree also has enough carpet and high enough for her to stretch and scratch (which she does at times) :) Mia "Meghan Noecker" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:11:32 GMT, (Mark Healey) wrote: They have a cat stand that they ignore. What surface does your cat prefer to scratch? It could be that you need a different kind of cat tree for him. In my house, Kira prefers rug; Maynard prefers bare wood, and Chase prefers sisal rope and cardboard. So, we have a tall cat tree with wood on the bottom and rug on top. We have a cardboard scratcher toy on the floor. That takes care of everybody. Recently, I bought my nephew a new cat tree for his bedroom to encourage his cat to spend more time in there. It has rug and sisal rope. Also, something that is really important with cat scratchers. They need to be tall enough for cats to stretch. Many of them ones sold in stores are way too short. Some are not very sturdy, and some may be 2-3 feet high, but with the shelf design, there isn't a tall vertical for them to stretch into when the scratch. The best kinds are the ones that go all the way to the ceiling. They tend to have a good 3 feet of vertical post before the first shelf, so plenty of scratching space, and then the shelves are vert tempting since cats like to be high up. Other good cat trees are the ones with multiple posts. They don't have to hook up the ceiling since they have a wide base and good weight to be sturdy. And usually, one or two of the posts are a good 3-4 feet high. We used to have one of the 2 feet ones, and it moved when the cat scratched. So, they just didn't like it. You can entice them with catnip and other treats. And reward them for good scratching. You can also take a water bottle to deter them from the furniture. I've had cats all my life, and we really haven't had a problem with scratching. They love those cat trees and they don't have any interest in the furniture, other than napping. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com |
I decided against declawing. It seems mean and they are really good
about peeing appropriately. I decided to buy them. Not as easy as one would think. I checked the web sites of pet(smart/co) to see if they carried them. They both claimed to, at $2.00 more than you can get them from the manufacturer. I went to the first store and it turns out that they only sell them on-line, bummer. The second one only had clear ones. I bought them anyway. $18.00 seems like a lot of money for $.50 worth of plastic and two tubes of crazy glue. Hopefully they'll become popular enough for someone to knock them off and drive the price down. I'm not sure if I got the right size. I bought large because people are always saying "gee, your cats are huge" and when they jump on me from 6 feet off the ground I make a noticeable "oof" sound. Applying them wasn't easy. It was no more difficult than trimming their nails but they don't like that either. It's amazing how bendy they are when they want to escape. I did manage to get them on. I'm not sure about their choice of plastic. It looks and feels like polyethylene which is pretty close to inert. Hell, that's what they put crazy glue in. The first thing they tried to do was chew them off, so far, without success. I put some wet food down to distract them for a while to give the glue a chance to really set. I'll post the results after a whole day tomorrow. One question fro Mia. Can vets buy them by the hundreds to get a deal. |
"Mark Healey" wrote in message .... One question fro Mia. Can vets buy them by the hundreds to get a deal. I think this question goes to L Mia :) |
"frigamia" wrote in message ... "Mark Healey" wrote in message ... One question fro Mia. Can vets buy them by the hundreds to get a deal. I think this question goes to L Or to your vet... Mia |
"Mark Healey" wrote in message ... I decided against declawing. It seems mean and they are really good about peeing appropriately. It is worse than mean, and you are a lovely person for understanding that. I decided to buy them. Not as easy as one would think. I checked the web sites of pet(smart/co) to see if they carried them. They both claimed to, at $2.00 more than you can get them from the manufacturer. I went to the first store and it turns out that they only sell them on-line, bummer. The second one only had clear ones. I bought them anyway. $18.00 seems like a lot of money for $.50 worth of plastic and two tubes of crazy glue. Hopefully they'll become popular enough for someone to knock them off and drive the price down. I think training and trimming are easier. You do have to be patient and persistent. A great deal of it lies in providing something they would rather have at. I just bought my girl one of those $14.99 sisal trays for the floor and she never goes near the couch any more. |
I decided against declawing. It seems mean and they are really good
about peeing appropriately. I didn't see your original post. Here are some tips on helping them scratch appropriately. 1. Hopefully he likes catnip. If so, rub it all over the scratching post. Scratch the post yourself, if he still doesn't use it, take his little paws and scratch the post with them and tell him he's a good kitty. Remember to associate positive things with acceptable clawing and negative things with unacceptable clawing. 2. Try a scratching mat. Some prefer horizontal over vetical surfaces. 3. Try sisal, rug, cardboard, fabric... covered trees or mat. You can get cheap thin door mats and staple gun them to a cat tree. Use canvas if he really likes fabric. Be sure the stapes go vertical like this "|" and not horizontal like this "--" so they don't get their claws stuck in there. 4. Put double sided tape where he likes to scratch. They won't like the stickiness. They may then scratch a few inches over from the tape so be prepared to add more. Keep no. 5 in mind when using the tape. 5. Don't let him in that room where he scratches when you're not around. When you're around stand gaurd with a squirt gun and squirt him from a distance when he scratches the furniture. If he's real persistent, put a little bit of vinegar in the squirt gun. You can also yell "NO!" when he scratches there. I also like to take him away from that area instantly and take him to the scratchy tree, hold his paws and help him scratch while praising him. Make it a fun experience, don't hold him forcefully or he'll fear the kitty tree. Make everything associated with the kitty tree positive. I sometimes will put a scratchy tree close to the furniture they are clawing so they have a nearby alternative. 6. Put vinegar where he scratches. They don't like the smell. 7. Try some of that cat away spray. 8. Try a scat mat where he is scratching. 9. Get rid of fabric furniture with vertical fabric sides. Get THICK leather or wood sofa and chairs. 10. Try soft paws. 11. Try trimming his claws every ten days. Some do once a week. 12. Whenever you see him clawing appropriately, praise and reward him lavishly. Continue to praise him forever or he may get lazy. 13. Try Feliway to calm them down. 14. Make sure your cat tree is tall and heavy enough. Big kitties will topple a small light one with a small base. I put weights on the bottom of mine. I get the big ones. I also have a multi-tier cat tree they like to rip up. 15. Try this product, a cat tree that attaches to the side of your couch. http://www.birminghamind.com/Scratchaway/index.html |
Good thing I have that extra set of pliers in the garage. Here kitty...
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Applying them wasn't easy. It was no more difficult than trimming their nails but they don't like that either. It's amazing how bendy they are when they want to escape. I did manage to get them on. I'm not sure about their choice of plastic. It looks and feels like polyethylene which is pretty close to inert. Hell, that's what they put crazy glue in. Hopefully they breathe so the paws don't get all sweaty, wet and fungus-y. As for scratching posts, my father built a big one with a base about 2 feet square and in teh center a 4 inch square post about 3 feet tall. Which was covered with carpet. Our cat liked to hop to the top of the post, as it gave him a good view of the room. When he was a kitten, he'd run and hop to the top. Well, as he grew he got more massive and could run faster as well. Well, he hoped to the top, but his body mass kept going and the post tipped over.... No, he didn't get hurt, but he did learn to not run so fast first. |
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:50:05 UTC, Robert Casey
wrote: Day 2 and they are still on. I'm still catching them trying to remove them, doing a pretty hard mouth yank. I suspect the trick is to keep them on long enough so that they will think that they are a natural part of their feet. |
When he was a kitten, he'd run and hop to the top. Well, as
he grew he got more massive and could run faster as well. Well, he hoped to the top, but his body mass kept going and the post tipped over.... No, he didn't get hurt, but he did learn to not run so fast first. This is why I anchor my cat trees and scratchy posts. I generally put one part of the base under a heavy armoir, foot of the couch or brace it against the wall. I also put my 10 lb weights on the base so it won't tip over. My cat Mimi likes to attack her tree as if she's doing football tackle training. She used to be a bad cat scratcher, took me a month to train her not to scratch the couch and to use the trees. |
pam (Mary) wrote in message ...
I didn't see your original post. Here are some tips on helping them scratch appropriately. 4. Put double sided tape where he likes to scratch. They won't like the stickiness. They may then scratch a few inches over from the tape so be prepared to add more. Keep no. 5 in mind when using the tape. 5. ..... I also like to take him away from that area instantly and take him to the scratchy tree, hold his paws and help him scratch while praising him. Make it a fun experience, don't hold him forcefully or he'll fear the kitty tree. Make everything associated with the kitty tree positive. I sometimes will put a scratchy tree close to the furniture they are clawing so they have a nearby alternative. 14. Make sure your cat tree is tall and heavy enough. Big kitties will topple a small light one with a small base. I put weights on the bottom of mine. I get the big ones. I also have a multi-tier cat tree they like to rip up. Everything you said really rings true. Early on, I had various furniture and loveseats ripped up -- with great poufs of padding blossoming out and shredded upholstery fabric. The ripping didn't stop until I used tons of double-sided tape all over the backs, sides, and arms of furniture for a month or two -- and also I got cat trees and posts with various textures for scratching. I placed the cat furniture (sprinkled with catnip at first) near my upholstered furniture and placed the cat posts (rubbed with catnip) at entry areas. They like putting their scent on entry areas (e.g., door jambs, doors, foyers, stair railings and newel posts) by scratching and/or rubbing because their scent announces their presence and their right to live here to all who enter. I haven't had a kitty scratch my upholstered furniture since I first used the sticky tape and placed the cat furniture in strategic places. Alt. http://www.lovethatcat.com |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:26:37 GMT, Laura R.
wrote: circa Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:36:36 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mark Healey ) said, Day 2 and they are still on. I'm still catching them trying to remove them, doing a pretty hard mouth yank. I suspect the trick is to keep them on long enough so that they will think that they are a natural part of their feet. They're too large. I know I said this already, but if the cats are noticing them, it's because they're on too large and they're covering too much of the claw. They should only cover the part of the claw that sticks out when the claws are *retracted*. Laura I had Soft Paws put on TuTu twice. The first time the Vet used medium size because TuTu is a big cat. She decided to use the small size the second time. She did trim the nails first. TuTu apparently learned her lesson about being so quick to scratch. I do not have the Soft Paws on her now. She never bothers the furniture, but has several scratching posts. |
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"Michael Stokes" wrote in message
news:1km3c.71851$6Z.48009@newsfe1-win... WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LOVE? What's love got to do [got to do] with it? |
Thank goodness declawing is illegal in the UK. I cannot undertsnad why
anybody would want to barbarically mutilate a cat |
Cheryl wrote:
"Michael Stokes" wrote in message news:1km3c.71851$6Z.48009@newsfe1-win... WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LOVE? What's love got to do [got to do] with it? Okay, Cheryl - this time it was PBR!!!! ;) |
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Thank goodness declawing is illegal in the UK. I cannot undertsnad why anybody would want to barbarically mutilate a cat To bring it into a civilized home, of course. I wonder how many KITTY LIVES you stupid mentally ill liberals are responsible for damning to the needle? That's what you're doing, you know... If declawing were illegal here in the States, who would adopted or bring in a cat? No one who values what they have worked to provide, anyway. Oh, I'm sure you and your type will say that people would go on just the same, but nobody I know (including me) would stand for it. You people are nut-cases. Everybody has known someone like you... Who, after paying you a visit, secretly laughs and jokes all the way home about how shredded everything in you house was! And don't think that it doesn't happen, because it does. I've done it. Yes, YOU are the reasons for tens of thousands of unadopted cats in you own backwards, dilapidated museum-of-a-country, and now you want to spread your sickness to ours. Thank God that we still have PLENTY in the veterinarian field that have no problem with dealing in sanity whatsoever. We just had our boy stripped of his rear claws when we got our new leather furniture. What do you think about that? He doesn't need them, because WE take care of him. It is the price a cat will have to pay to live in the comparative luxury of our home. He's just fine, by the way. Frisky as a little lamb, so you couldn't be more wrong. He still thinks he's got his claws, too. Always 'sharpening' them on one thing or another! Only our 'one things' aren't SHREDDED like yours! I hope this has helped you to "understand" a little better. If not for its content, perhaps your own mind...? IBen |
"AK" wrote in message ...
Thank goodness declawing is illegal in the UK. I cannot undertsnad why anybody would want to barbarically mutilate a cat To bring it into a civilized home, of course. I wonder how many KITTY LIVES you stupid mentally ill liberals are responsible for damning to the needle? That's what you're doing, you know... If declawing were illegal here in the States, who would adopted or bring in a cat? No one who values what they have worked to provide, anyway. Oh, I'm sure you and your type will say that people would go on just the same, but nobody I know (including me) would stand for it. You people are nut-cases. Everybody has known someone like you... Who, after paying you a visit, secretly laughs and jokes all the way home about how shredded everything in you house was! And don't think that it doesn't happen, because it does. I've done it. Yes, YOU are the reasons for tens of thousands of unadopted cats in you own backwards, dilapidated museum-of-a-country, and now you want to spread your sickness to ours. Thank God that we still have PLENTY in the veterinarian field who have no problem whatsoever dealing in sanity. We just had our boy stripped of his rear claws when we got our new leather furniture. What do you think about that? He doesn't need them, because WE take care of him. It is the price a cat will have to pay to live in the comparative luxury of our home. He's just fine, by the way. Frisky as a little lamb, so you couldn't be more wrong. He still thinks he's got his claws, too. Always 'sharpening' them on one thing or another! Only our 'one things' aren't SHREDDED like yours! I hope this has helped you to "understand" a little better. If not for its content, perhaps your own mind...? |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... "Michael Stokes" wrote in message news:1km3c.71851$6Z.48009@newsfe1-win... WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LOVE? What's love got to do [got to do] with it? |
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news:69O3c.3810$re1.2063@newsfe1-win on 10 Mar 2004: Whats love? Love Hurts. "Cheryl" wrote in message ... "Michael Stokes" wrote in message news:1km3c.71851$6Z.48009@newsfe1-win... WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LOVE? What's love got to do [got to do] with it? -- Cheryl I am a very happy person. It's just that I have no patients for stupidity. - IBen Getiner |
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"Michael Stokes" dumped this in news:69O3c.3810$re1.2063@newsfe1-win on 10 Mar 2004: Whats love? Love Hurts. Love scars http://users.cis.net/sammy/lovehurt.htm "Cheryl" wrote in message ... "Michael Stokes" wrote in message news:1km3c.71851$6Z.48009@newsfe1-win... WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LOVE? What's love got to do [got to do] with it? |
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"Michael Stokes" dumped this in news:69O3c.3810$re1.2063@newsfe1-win on 10 Mar 2004: Whats love? Love Hurts. Actually, Love Bites... ;) "Cheryl" wrote in message ... "Michael Stokes" wrote in message news:1km3c.71851$6Z.48009@newsfe1-win... WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH LOVE? What's love got to do [got to do] with it? |
To bring it into a civilized home, of course. I wonder how many KITTY LIVES you stupid mentally ill liberals are responsible for damning to the needle? That's what you're doing, you know... If declawing were Are you serious? I agree with the previous poster -- I cannot believe someone would still declaw their cats. UK is obviously more advanced than we are. I have numerous cats and I cannot imagine mutilating them. Their cat scratchers work just fine -- thank you. You really think it is about declawing them or sending them to a needle??????? You call that civilized? I believe there are a LOT of cat lovers who are quite civilized and do not declaw their cats. I believe there are too many cats because people don't neuter or spay. Thank God for the wonderful animal sanctuaries out there -- need more of them to educate the public how to treat animals and be civilized. |
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