in article , at
wrote on 7/13/03 12:52 AM:

"Brandy wrote:
carpet cleaner of any kind just because of Kami. I'll knock wood on
that one. Is it my imagination or do people have no sense of humor and
do not know what a "vent" truly is?


Nope, I think some peopel on here have had to deal with people who
shouldn't have pets too long they've gotten all over reactive about anyone
posting anything negative about their cat (even if it is meant to be
cutesy). I think they did take your post way over seriously and should
ligthen up.

On the other hand, understand that some have probably seen people who have
blamed it on their cat seriously and took it out on the cat (I met a lady
who was going to return her cat to the shelter cause it peed once on her
couch, and she didn't want to hear about how she might prevent it
happening again, she didn't care, she just wanted to punish the cat). So,
they are overreacting, but probably because they've seen too many times
when people were actually serious.

I used to think that a lot of people posting some horrid things here were
trolls. After meeting people in real life who had the same view as those
"trolls", I'm not so sure.

Alice

If you've read Brandy's past posts, you might see why we don't think it's so
"cutesy".

Karen

in article , at
wrote on 7/13/03 12:52 AM:

"Brandy wrote:
carpet cleaner of any kind just because of Kami. I'll knock wood on
that one. Is it my imagination or do people have no sense of humor and
do not know what a "vent" truly is?


Nope, I think some peopel on here have had to deal with people who
shouldn't have pets too long they've gotten all over reactive about anyone
posting anything negative about their cat (even if it is meant to be
cutesy). I think they did take your post way over seriously and should
ligthen up.

On the other hand, understand that some have probably seen people who have
blamed it on their cat seriously and took it out on the cat (I met a lady
who was going to return her cat to the shelter cause it peed once on her
couch, and she didn't want to hear about how she might prevent it
happening again, she didn't care, she just wanted to punish the cat). So,
they are overreacting, but probably because they've seen too many times
when people were actually serious.

I used to think that a lot of people posting some horrid things here were
trolls. After meeting people in real life who had the same view as those
"trolls", I'm not so sure.

Alice

If you've read Brandy's past posts, you might see why we don't think it's so
"cutesy".

Karen

From: "BrandyÂ*Alexandre" Â*

Laura R. , with thought
and calculation, said in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

circa 12 Jul 2003 21:46:21 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Sherry ) said,
What Megan said, only she said it much better than I did. If,
Brandy, you really want solutions instead of just "venting''
listen to Megan and the rest of us who nursed cats who were well
past their "prime." If this becomes a habit with Kami, get her
butt shaved and invest in a Bissell Little Green portable
carpet/upholstery cleaner. It makes the cleaning a snap if it
happens again.

I have one of those and ended up buying a full-blown steam cleaner
when Alex's lymphoma was at its worst. And if he doesn't bring up
a furball within the next day, then it looks like the cancer is
back. At least I have wood floors in the new place.

Oh, I almost forgot why I responded- use OxyClean in the Green
Machine- it works really well.

Laura


Contrary to the assumption that this is a common occurence that needs a
solution, it isn't. Otherwise I would have just taken it in stride.
It was just annoying because I had other plans and sandwich that was
meant to be eaten toasty. I've actually never felt the need to get a
carpet cleaner of any kind just because of Kami. I'll knock wood on
that one. Is it my imagination or do people have no sense of humor and
do not know what a "vent" truly is?

Geez, you really are a selfish self-absorbed one, aren't you? That poor cat to
have an owner who finds it more imporant to have a toasty sandwich than to care
that she may be sick and need care.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: "BrandyÂ*Alexandre" Â*

Laura R. , with thought
and calculation, said in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

circa 12 Jul 2003 21:46:21 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Sherry ) said,
What Megan said, only she said it much better than I did. If,
Brandy, you really want solutions instead of just "venting''
listen to Megan and the rest of us who nursed cats who were well
past their "prime." If this becomes a habit with Kami, get her
butt shaved and invest in a Bissell Little Green portable
carpet/upholstery cleaner. It makes the cleaning a snap if it
happens again.

I have one of those and ended up buying a full-blown steam cleaner
when Alex's lymphoma was at its worst. And if he doesn't bring up
a furball within the next day, then it looks like the cancer is
back. At least I have wood floors in the new place.

Oh, I almost forgot why I responded- use OxyClean in the Green
Machine- it works really well.

Laura


Contrary to the assumption that this is a common occurence that needs a
solution, it isn't. Otherwise I would have just taken it in stride.
It was just annoying because I had other plans and sandwich that was
meant to be eaten toasty. I've actually never felt the need to get a
carpet cleaner of any kind just because of Kami. I'll knock wood on
that one. Is it my imagination or do people have no sense of humor and
do not know what a "vent" truly is?

Geez, you really are a selfish self-absorbed one, aren't you? That poor cat to
have an owner who finds it more imporant to have a toasty sandwich than to care
that she may be sick and need care.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Karen Chuplis wrote:
If you've read Brandy's past posts, you might see why we don't think it's so
"cutesy".

I don't suscribe to the idea that you should follow around a poster and
decide that everything they write is evil even if you dislike them.

Some one can do something and not mean anything bad by it even if they
have done other bad stuff. So far from what I've seen people are ****ed at
her for declawing her cat, but that doesn't mean she was saying she now
disliked the cat for this thing. She was just venting! I've vented about
my cats before, doesn't mean I'm turning them into the shelter or don't
love them.

I know how she feels. I had some one jump down my back when I first got my
Siamese and I was nervous and posted it. She immediately decided that
meant I was giving my cat back... because I had gotten her from a breeder
and had said that I had nothing against breeding cats before that post (as
long as the breeder is "responsible" which is where teh disagreement
starts because some people feel ther eis no responsible breeding).
So therefore I was labeled as an evil owner and anything I said that
indicated fear or negativity must mean that I was just going to throw that
cat away. Just because I had posted something before that some one
disagreed with. Therefore any future posts must be bad.

Well, I still have her. She took 3 months to let me get close to her and
is still somewhat timid, but she is totally attached to me. And I wouldn't
be bragging about it except to show how wrong that person is, but I know
(especially after meeting some people) that a lot of epople would have
just either returned the cat or put her in the shelter when she didn't
stop hissing and hiding in the closet. I swear, at one point I thought I
was going to have a decorative cat only, but I wasn't about to turn her to
the shelter.

One behavior you dislike doesn't necessarily mean she's going to do
everythign you dislike. I don't like declawing one bit and I think it
should be illegal, but because some one declaws doesn't mean they are
necessarily going to be horrible owners in other fields (like taking it
out on the cat when the cat does something it can't necessarily help).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

Karen Chuplis wrote:
If you've read Brandy's past posts, you might see why we don't think it's so
"cutesy".

I don't suscribe to the idea that you should follow around a poster and
decide that everything they write is evil even if you dislike them.

Some one can do something and not mean anything bad by it even if they
have done other bad stuff. So far from what I've seen people are ****ed at
her for declawing her cat, but that doesn't mean she was saying she now
disliked the cat for this thing. She was just venting! I've vented about
my cats before, doesn't mean I'm turning them into the shelter or don't
love them.

I know how she feels. I had some one jump down my back when I first got my
Siamese and I was nervous and posted it. She immediately decided that
meant I was giving my cat back... because I had gotten her from a breeder
and had said that I had nothing against breeding cats before that post (as
long as the breeder is "responsible" which is where teh disagreement
starts because some people feel ther eis no responsible breeding).
So therefore I was labeled as an evil owner and anything I said that
indicated fear or negativity must mean that I was just going to throw that
cat away. Just because I had posted something before that some one
disagreed with. Therefore any future posts must be bad.

Well, I still have her. She took 3 months to let me get close to her and
is still somewhat timid, but she is totally attached to me. And I wouldn't
be bragging about it except to show how wrong that person is, but I know
(especially after meeting some people) that a lot of epople would have
just either returned the cat or put her in the shelter when she didn't
stop hissing and hiding in the closet. I swear, at one point I thought I
was going to have a decorative cat only, but I wasn't about to turn her to
the shelter.

One behavior you dislike doesn't necessarily mean she's going to do
everythign you dislike. I don't like declawing one bit and I think it
should be illegal, but because some one declaws doesn't mean they are
necessarily going to be horrible owners in other fields (like taking it
out on the cat when the cat does something it can't necessarily help).

Alice

--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-'
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.

in article , at
wrote on 7/13/03 10:19 AM:

Karen Chuplis wrote:
If you've read Brandy's past posts, you might see why we don't think it's so
"cutesy".

I don't suscribe to the idea that you should follow around a poster and
decide that everything they write is evil even if you dislike them.

I don't "follow her around". She posts right here. She posts on another
group I read and I don't trash her about her behaviour to her cat there. It
isn't relative. But after reading all her other posts on Kami and her
reasons for declawing and her impatience with Kami in a number of areas, I
found this vent NOT cutesy and far from sympathetic for an old cat who has
no choice if she gets poopy butt or not.


Some one can do something and not mean anything bad by it even if they
have done other bad stuff. So far from what I've seen people are ****ed at
her for declawing her cat, but that doesn't mean she was saying she now
disliked the cat for this thing. She was just venting! I've vented about
my cats before, doesn't mean I'm turning them into the shelter or don't
love them.
is
I'm sorry, but after a long history of her impatience with Kami for
basically, being a cat, I felt this post had more truth than momentary vent
to it.
I know how she feels. I had some one jump down my back when I first got my
Siamese and I was nervous and posted it. She immediately decided that
meant I was giving my cat back... because I had gotten her from a breeder
and had said that I had nothing against breeding cats before that post (as
long as the breeder is "responsible" which is where teh disagreement
starts because some people feel ther eis no responsible breeding).
So therefore I was labeled as an evil owner and anything I said that
indicated fear or negativity must mean that I was just going to throw that
cat away. Just because I had posted something before that some one
disagreed with. Therefore any future posts must be bad.

IMO, this is an entirely different case.


Well, I still have her. She took 3 months to let me get close to her and
is still somewhat timid, but she is totally attached to me. And I wouldn't
be bragging about it except to show how wrong that person is, but I know
(especially after meeting some people) that a lot of epople would have
just either returned the cat or put her in the shelter when she didn't
stop hissing and hiding in the closet. I swear, at one point I thought I
was going to have a decorative cat only, but I wasn't about to turn her to
the shelter.

I'm glad she's gotten over her fear.

One behavior you dislike doesn't necessarily mean she's going to do
everythign you dislike. I don't like declawing one bit and I think it
should be illegal, but because some one declaws doesn't mean they are
necessarily going to be horrible owners in other fields (like taking it
out on the cat when the cat does something it can't necessarily help).

Alice

I will say again, after at least a two year history of her posts about Kami,
I have reason to believe this was not a "cutsey vent" and that she really
harbored resentment against a poor cat for having poopy butt which is
utterly beyond the cats control.

Karen

in article , at
wrote on 7/13/03 10:19 AM:

Karen Chuplis wrote:
If you've read Brandy's past posts, you might see why we don't think it's so
"cutesy".

I don't suscribe to the idea that you should follow around a poster and
decide that everything they write is evil even if you dislike them.

I don't "follow her around". She posts right here. She posts on another
group I read and I don't trash her about her behaviour to her cat there. It
isn't relative. But after reading all her other posts on Kami and her
reasons for declawing and her impatience with Kami in a number of areas, I
found this vent NOT cutesy and far from sympathetic for an old cat who has
no choice if she gets poopy butt or not.


Some one can do something and not mean anything bad by it even if they
have done other bad stuff. So far from what I've seen people are ****ed at
her for declawing her cat, but that doesn't mean she was saying she now
disliked the cat for this thing. She was just venting! I've vented about
my cats before, doesn't mean I'm turning them into the shelter or don't
love them.
is
I'm sorry, but after a long history of her impatience with Kami for
basically, being a cat, I felt this post had more truth than momentary vent
to it.
I know how she feels. I had some one jump down my back when I first got my
Siamese and I was nervous and posted it. She immediately decided that
meant I was giving my cat back... because I had gotten her from a breeder
and had said that I had nothing against breeding cats before that post (as
long as the breeder is "responsible" which is where teh disagreement
starts because some people feel ther eis no responsible breeding).
So therefore I was labeled as an evil owner and anything I said that
indicated fear or negativity must mean that I was just going to throw that
cat away. Just because I had posted something before that some one
disagreed with. Therefore any future posts must be bad.

IMO, this is an entirely different case.


Well, I still have her. She took 3 months to let me get close to her and
is still somewhat timid, but she is totally attached to me. And I wouldn't
be bragging about it except to show how wrong that person is, but I know
(especially after meeting some people) that a lot of epople would have
just either returned the cat or put her in the shelter when she didn't
stop hissing and hiding in the closet. I swear, at one point I thought I
was going to have a decorative cat only, but I wasn't about to turn her to
the shelter.

I'm glad she's gotten over her fear.

One behavior you dislike doesn't necessarily mean she's going to do
everythign you dislike. I don't like declawing one bit and I think it
should be illegal, but because some one declaws doesn't mean they are
necessarily going to be horrible owners in other fields (like taking it
out on the cat when the cat does something it can't necessarily help).

Alice

I will say again, after at least a two year history of her posts about Kami,
I have reason to believe this was not a "cutsey vent" and that she really
harbored resentment against a poor cat for having poopy butt which is
utterly beyond the cats control.

Karen

Karen Chuplis wrote:

(snip)

I will say again, after at least a two year history of her posts about
Kami, I have reason to believe this was not a "cutsey vent" and that she
really harbored resentment against a poor cat for having poopy butt which
is utterly beyond the cats control.

Karen

Plus, anyone who goes on record as describing another poster's cat as
"ugly" (see May 2003 archives) really doesn't deserve any courtesies
extended, imo.

The passage of time doesn't buy anyone forgiveness - apologies do. And
none were extended.

Karen Chuplis wrote:

(snip)

I will say again, after at least a two year history of her posts about
Kami, I have reason to believe this was not a "cutsey vent" and that she
really harbored resentment against a poor cat for having poopy butt which
is utterly beyond the cats control.

Karen

Plus, anyone who goes on record as describing another poster's cat as
"ugly" (see May 2003 archives) really doesn't deserve any courtesies
extended, imo.

The passage of time doesn't buy anyone forgiveness - apologies do. And
none were extended.