Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

Hi,

I'm hoping someone can answer these questions!

These are two different cats:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

I'd so appreciate some answers!

Skye

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

"Skye" wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm hoping someone can answer these questions!

These are two different cats:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

Yes. It's called a "spay."


2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

You should be contacting the vet about having her spayed. Why are you
allowing your cats to breed?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

I'd so appreciate some answers!

Skye

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

On 14 Aug, 15:32, Skye wrote:
Hi,

I'm hoping someone can answer these questions!

These are two different cats:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

I'd so appreciate some answers!

Skye



These are two different cats:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

I used to breed, & the eldest queen that I knew about was 8 years old.
Generally a breeder would be wise enough to retire their Queen by 5
years old though. To ask a Queen to breed beyond that age, would be to
entertain trouble & strife, & unfair on the cat. If you can see that
her teats are enlarged & pink, then I suggest that you get yourself &
your cat to the vet asap. Unlike USA, over in the UK (where I am
posting from), We have to find a vet who would ethically be willing to
spay the Queen & abort her kittens. Nonetheless, find a vet to fit her
into their surgery ASAP & have her spayed to ensure that this never
happens again....

I am sorry, but I can't answer your question regarding feline
menopause, because I always spayed my Queens before 5 years of age.
However, It's Possible that another person here might be able to
answer that for you.


2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

YES!!

Ring your vet right now & ask if they can squeeze her into their
schedule, PLEASE? No, it is not normal at all!

I know that you really aren't going to want to hear this, but it needs
to be said. If she is a first time queen, & she is spotting, it
doesn't bode well for future pregnancies. If you are a breeder, I
realise that you are going to continue to try mating her @ least once
more time, to see if you can recoup your money for your Queen.

If this is the case, & this happens again, I really would recommend
that you spay her ASAP, & either keep her as a pet, or sell her.
PLEASE, ensure that you spay her if she is a registered Queen, & do
not sell her as a registered Queen. I say this because there are
unscrupulous breeders that would do this, if only to get their money
back, but it would be quite possibly at the expense of her life.
Please, do think carefully about this one. My advice is to spay both
her & your older Queen.
If you feel that you can't do both, then have your elder Queen first,
& fast too?!

Sheelagh "o"

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On Aug 14, 9:43 am, "cindys" wrote:
"Skye" wrote:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

Yes. It's called a "spay."

I'm glad your life is so well-ordered and nothing ever gets out of
your control once
in a while. However, please realize that's not the case with everyone
in the world, mkay?

The older cat is a feral cat who I've been feeding for the last two
years, but has
hung around this neighborhood for at least 10. I've somehow grown
attached,
even though she is wild. She will not come to me nor allow me to so
much as touch her. You tell me how to get her to the vet, Cindy S.,
ok?

Last summer, some of the neighbors tried to get rid of her. They did
manage to
catch her kittens and most of them were put to sleep. This summer,
we've managed
to get the kittens before they were found, but we had to pull off
commando-type
raids under cat-hating neighbors porches to do it.

She seems to be safe and stays under the radar all the rest of the
year.

I simply wondered how many more summers I could look forward to
worrying about
this. Or do you just think I should stop feeding her? I mean, what
gives with your
attitude???


2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

You should be contacting the vet about having her spayed. Why are you
allowing your cats to breed?

This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so. Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.

Skye

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"Skye" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 9:43 am, "cindys" wrote:
"Skye" wrote:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

Yes. It's called a "spay."

I'm glad your life is so well-ordered and nothing ever gets out of
your control once
in a while. However, please realize that's not the case with everyone
in the world, mkay?

The older cat is a feral cat who I've been feeding for the last two
years, but has
hung around this neighborhood for at least 10. I've somehow grown
attached,
even though she is wild. She will not come to me nor allow me to so
much as touch her. You tell me how to get her to the vet, Cindy S.,
ok?

Last summer, some of the neighbors tried to get rid of her. They did
manage to
catch her kittens and most of them were put to sleep. This summer,
we've managed
to get the kittens before they were found, but we had to pull off
commando-type
raids under cat-hating neighbors porches to do it.

She seems to be safe and stays under the radar all the rest of the
year.

I simply wondered how many more summers I could look forward to
worrying about
this. Or do you just think I should stop feeding her? I mean, what
gives with your
attitude???


2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

You should be contacting the vet about having her spayed. Why are you
allowing your cats to breed?

This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so. Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.

Skye

You can set humane traps that will trap the feral cat when she comes to eat.
Then you can bring her to the vet where they will tranquilizer her and spay
her. Then you can bring her back and let her go, and she won't have any more
kittens....Also, she is likely to stick around your place (or wherever the
food is best) and become domesticated.......

Contact your local cat coalition or the vet to find out about this.......

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

On Aug 14, 11:26 am, "Sheelagh o"
wrote:
On 14 Aug, 15:32, Skye wrote:

I used to breed, & the eldest queen that I knew about was 8 years old.
Generally a breeder would be wise enough to retire their Queen by 5
years old though. To ask a Queen to breed beyond that age, would be to
entertain trouble & strife, & unfair on the cat. If you can see that
her teats are enlarged & pink, then I suggest that you get yourself &
your cat to the vet asap. Unlike USA, over in the UK (where I am
posting from), We have to find a vet who would ethically be willing to
spay the Queen & abort her kittens. Nonetheless, find a vet to fit her
into their surgery ASAP & have her spayed to ensure that this never
happens again....

Thanks for your kind response. Please see my reply to Cindy S. about
the older cat
..

2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

YES!!

Ring your vet right now & ask if they can squeeze her into their
schedule, PLEASE? No, it is not normal at all!

I know that you really aren't going to want to hear this, but it needs
to be said. If she is a first time queen, & she is spotting, it
doesn't bode well for future pregnancies. If you are a breeder, I
realise that you are going to continue to try mating her @ least once
more time, to see if you can recoup your money for your Queen.

Thank you, Sheelagh, that's the main thing I wanted to know.

Skye

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"Skye" wrote in message
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This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so.
--------
Yes, you're allowed. And please sleep well tonight with the knowledge that
thousands of cats are being euthanized in shelters every year for lack of
homes and every one of your kittens that you place in a home represents a
shelter cat who will not have a home and will be euthanized. But please
don't let that minor inconvenience stand in the way of your fulfilling your
selfish desire to let your cat breed. And rest assured, that you will find
very little support for your position on the rec.pets.cats.health+behavior
newsgroup. But you are correct that in America, the "me, me, me" approach to
life is alive and well. Selfishness and self-centeredness are certainly not
against the law.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.

Skye

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

"cindys" wrote in message
...

"Skye" wrote in message
s.com...
This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so.
--------
Yes, you're allowed. And please sleep well tonight with the knowledge that
thousands of cats are being euthanized in shelters every year for lack of
homes and every one of your kittens that you place in a home represents a
shelter cat who will not have a home and will be euthanized. But please
don't let that minor inconvenience stand in the way of your fulfilling
your selfish desire to let your cat breed. And rest assured, that you will
find very little support for your position on the
rec.pets.cats.health+behavior newsgroup. But you are correct that in
America, the "me, me, me" approach to life is alive and well. Selfishness
and self-centeredness are certainly not against the law.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.

Skye

Errrrrr......I don't want to start a flame war here, but you might just put
a teensy weensy bit of the blame on God, don't you think? - After all,
literally millions of cute furry little animals die of starvation, thirst
and the cold every year, and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about
it........I often wonder how well He sleeps at night......

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

You can set humane traps that will trap the feral cat when she comes to eat.
Then you can bring her to the vet where they will tranquilizer her and spay
her. Then you can bring her back and let her go, and she won't have any more
kittens....Also, she is likely to stick around your place (or wherever the
food is best) and become domesticated.......

Contact your local cat coalition or the vet to find out about this.......

Since she is a feral, you could also call your local animal shelter to
see if they will offer assistance. Some have TNR (trap, neuter,
release) programs or offer low-cost spays. Many will also loan you a
humane trap.

Unfortunately, by asking these questions you have stumbled onto one of
the hot topics on this forum. Almost all of us regulars here
_strongly_ believe in spaying and neutering, both for the prevention
of unwanted/unneeded litters but also for the overall health and well
being of the animal. Spaying will prevent certain types of cancers and
eliminate many unwanted behaviors (coming into heat, caterwauling,
spraying). With the millions of animals that are euthanized each year,
it's hard *not* to be an advocate of spaying.

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

"William Graham" wrote in message
...

snip

Errrrrr......I don't want to start a flame war here, but you might just
put a teensy weensy bit of the blame on God, don't you think? - After all,
literally millions of cute furry little animals die of starvation, thirst
and the cold every year, and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do
about it........I often wonder how well He sleeps at night......
--------
No one can fix the world, but we can do our best to not make things worse.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

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On Aug 14, 1:59 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

You can set humane traps that will trap the feral cat when she comes to eat.
Then you can bring her to the vet where they will tranquilizer her and spay
her. Then you can bring her back and let her go, and she won't have any more
kittens....Also, she is likely to stick around your place (or wherever the
food is best) and become domesticated.......

I've thought about doing that, but I'd be afraid she'd never show at
my door
again. In fact, I'm not even sure it would work - she's been
incredibly canny
(or incredibly lucky) when it comes to the animal control cages around
the
neighborhood at various times. It's certainly something to think
about
though - thanks!

Actually, if I do anything, it'll be that, if I can find a sympathetic
vet.

Skye

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On Aug 14, 3:13 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

Errrrrr......I don't want to start a flame war here, but you might just put
a teensy weensy bit of the blame on God, don't you think? - After all,
literally millions of cute furry little animals die of starvation, thirst
and the cold every year, and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about
it........I often wonder how well He sleeps at night......

Sometimes I feel the same way, these are bad endings for innocent
creatures,
but here's a thought, William . . .

Would you *really* want to be vying for elbow room with dogs, bears,
rabbits,
etc, etc.? Sharing diseases? Can you imagine the humongous abuse
rate,
the hunting and killing for sport?

I think nature knows what it's doing. We may not like some aspects of
it (for
example, I don't especially care about the fact that everything dies
at all, including
us), but it IS beautiful in it's own way.

And as far as God is concerned, She set all this in motion and
probably
sleeps just fine. :-)

Skye

Cat Pregnancy Questions?
 

On Aug 14, 3:38 pm, "Rene S." wrote:

Since she is a feral, you could also call your local animal shelter to
see if they will offer assistance. Some have TNR (trap, neuter,
release) programs or offer low-cost spays. Many will also loan you a
humane trap.

Our animal shelter does not offer a TNR program or any low cost
spays.
They might offer a trap, though.

Unfortunately, by asking these questions you have stumbled onto one of
the hot topics on this forum. Almost all of us regulars here
_strongly_ believe in spaying and neutering, both for the prevention
of unwanted/unneeded litters but also for the overall health and well
being of the animal. Spaying will prevent certain types of cancers and
eliminate many unwanted behaviors (coming into heat, caterwauling,
spraying). With the millions of animals that are euthanized each year,
it's hard *not* to be an advocate of spaying.

I asked my questions with the only objective of getting information.
With
no disrespect intended, I for some reason just don't care about
posters'
opinions, approval, or disapproval. They don't know me or my
situations.

I *tried* to care about an hour ago, but I just can't. I mean, no
offense, but
you all are faceless, anonymous Usenet users - I don't understand how
to
care about that. And I can't believe anyone cares that much about
what
I do. They have to jump on and lecture every time someone posts
anything
with the words "pregnant" and "cat" in it, so that it makes THEM feel
like they
have some purpose in life. It's ridiculous.

I do care that some of the posters took the time and trouble to
respond with
some constructive information. THOSE are the ones I hear.

Skye

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"Skye" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 3:38 pm, "Rene S." wrote:

Since she is a feral, you could also call your local animal shelter to
see if they will offer assistance. Some have TNR (trap, neuter,
release) programs or offer low-cost spays. Many will also loan you a
humane trap.

Our animal shelter does not offer a TNR program or any low cost
spays.
They might offer a trap, though.

Unfortunately, by asking these questions you have stumbled onto one of
the hot topics on this forum. Almost all of us regulars here
_strongly_ believe in spaying and neutering, both for the prevention
of unwanted/unneeded litters but also for the overall health and well
being of the animal. Spaying will prevent certain types of cancers and
eliminate many unwanted behaviors (coming into heat, caterwauling,
spraying). With the millions of animals that are euthanized each year,
it's hard *not* to be an advocate of spaying.

I asked my questions with the only objective of getting information.
With
no disrespect intended, I for some reason just don't care about
posters'
opinions, approval, or disapproval. They don't know me or my
situations.

I *tried* to care about an hour ago, but I just can't. I mean, no
offense, but
you all are faceless, anonymous Usenet users - I don't understand how
to
care about that. And I can't believe anyone cares that much about
what
I do. They have to jump on and lecture every time someone posts
anything
with the words "pregnant" and "cat" in it, so that it makes THEM feel
like they
have some purpose in life. It's ridiculous.

I do care that some of the posters took the time and trouble to
respond with
some constructive information. THOSE are the ones I hear.

Skye


With the exception of a few trolls, everyone here has one thing in
common....We all love cats and hate to see anything bad happen to them.
Anytime you ask strangers for an opinion, you are risking getting bad
advice.....the question I have is: Why did you post here in the first place?

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"Skye" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 1:59 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

You can set humane traps that will trap the feral cat when she comes to
eat.
Then you can bring her to the vet where they will tranquilizer her and
spay
her. Then you can bring her back and let her go, and she won't have any
more
kittens....Also, she is likely to stick around your place (or wherever
the
food is best) and become domesticated.......

I've thought about doing that, but I'd be afraid she'd never show at
my door
again. In fact, I'm not even sure it would work - she's been
incredibly canny
(or incredibly lucky) when it comes to the animal control cages around
the
neighborhood at various times. It's certainly something to think
about
though - thanks!

Actually, if I do anything, it'll be that, if I can find a sympathetic
vet.

Skye

I have had this problem in the past, and what I did was trap the cat, and
then call a friend of mine to pick it up (in the trap) and bring it to the
vet. Then, I picked it up at the vet the next day, and brought it home and
let it go.....The cat didn't connect me with its experience.....Probably
thought of me as the one who rescued it from that terrible place. (The
vet:^)

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"Skye" wrote in message
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I *tried* to care about an hour ago, but I just can't. I mean, no
offense, but
you all are faceless, anonymous Usenet users

As are you.

- I don't understand how
to
care about that. And I can't believe anyone cares that much about
what
I do. They have to jump on and lecture every time someone posts
anything
with the words "pregnant" and "cat" in it, so that it makes THEM feel
like they
have some purpose in life. It's ridiculous.

Is that so? Well, looks like you have us all figured out. Do you have a
purpose in life other than breeding cats and posting questions to strangers
on Usenet?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



I do care that some of the posters took the time and trouble to
respond with
some constructive information. THOSE are the ones I hear.

Skye

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"Skye" wrote in message
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On Aug 14, 9:43 am, "cindys" wrote:
"Skye" wrote:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

Yes. It's called a "spay."

I'm glad your life is so well-ordered and nothing ever gets out of
your control once
in a while. However, please realize that's not the case with everyone
in the world, mkay?

The older cat is a feral cat who I've been feeding for the last two
years, but has
hung around this neighborhood for at least 10. I've somehow grown
attached,
even though she is wild. She will not come to me nor allow me to so
much as touch her. You tell me how to get her to the vet, Cindy S.,
ok?

You buy or borrow (rescue groups and shelters sometimes lend traps - ask
them) a humane trap. If you've been feeding this cat anyway it should be
quite easy to trap her. Check with the rescue groups for recommendations for
low-cost spay neuter locations where they will do feral cats. Make an
appointment. The day of or the night before the appointment, put some good
smelly wet food in the back of the trap and set it shortly before the time
that the cat usually shows up to eat. Then wait in an out of sight but not
out of hearing place for the unique sound of a trap tripping. Cover trap
with a large towel and take the cat in the trap to the vet for her spay. If
it's the night before, place a large plastic bag on the floor of a garage or
similar place. Put a thick layer of newspaper on the plastic bag and then
set the trap on them. The cat will be fine in a covered trap overnight.

Last summer, some of the neighbors tried to get rid of her. They did
manage to
catch her kittens and most of them were put to sleep. This summer,
we've managed
to get the kittens before they were found, but we had to pull off
commando-type
raids under cat-hating neighbors porches to do it.

She seems to be safe and stays under the radar all the rest of the
year.

I simply wondered how many more summers I could look forward to
worrying about
this. Or do you just think I should stop feeding her? I mean, what
gives with your
attitude???

If you aren't willing to get her spayed, you are doing more harm than good
by feeding her. You are keeping her healthy enough to continue reproducing
kittens when there are already too many kittens to ever possibly home. You
basically are facilitating the birth of kittens so that they or others like
them will have to be put to death. I know people mean well when they start
feeding strays but the truth is that it's better not to and just let nature
take it's course unless you're willing to commit to doing it right and
spay/neuter the cat.




2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

You should be contacting the vet about having her spayed. Why are you
allowing your cats to breed?

This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so. Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.

Skye


People tend to get a little bent out of shape with people who are willfully
adding to the cat over-population problem. I volunteer for a cat rescue
group. We do adoptions from a Pet Smart store on Saturdays. Last weekend we
had a man bring us a kitten who was obviously on death's door. It appeared
to have injested some type of poison and was having convultions. It was
beyond helping so one of our volunteers took the kitten to the local SPCA to
get it euthanized. When she arrived there the person at the shelter told her
they couldn't help us because they didn't have room. Our volunteer told them
that we weren't asking them to take the cat and house it but to put it out
of it's misery. The shelter person again said they didn't have room. When it
became obvious that they were miscommunicating the shelter person clarified
that they didn't have any room in their FREEZER where they keep the
euthanized animals until they can be cremated. She said that they couldn't
fit a hampster in the freezer if they had to. THAT'S how many unwanted
animals there are out there. And THAT'S why people tend to get a little
short with someone who is exacerbating the problem.

W

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On Aug 14, 7:57 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

With the exception of a few trolls, everyone here has one thing in
common....We all love cats and hate to see anything bad happen to them.

Apparently, that's not entirely true. There are evidently some in
here who think
it's best to just let stray cats and dogs starve. THAT can't be
good.

Anytime you ask strangers for an opinion,

which I *didn't*

you are risking getting bad
advice.....the question I have is: Why did you post here in the first place?

For information:

1. To find out if there is an age at which a female cat might stop
breeding
naturally.

2. To find out if my pregnant cat was medically in danger.

To my knowledge, only 1 person attempted to specifically answered both
questions.
The rest is just rabid, nutty farting in the wind to me - with the
exception of your
advice of trapping the older cat.

When I was having trouble with my car, I posted my problem to some
car
newsgroups asking for information. I received 12 responses packed
full
of info so that I was able to get my car fixed quickly. There were no
opinions -
no one accused me of letting my car get in disrepair or putting
pollution into
the air by driving a car, no judgmental attitudes at all. I simply
received
information that I needed.

However, to be honest, I haven't posted on Usenet for a long time and
I've forgotten
how vicious and pompously superior people can act here when they know
they're anonymous. All you can do is killfile some, ignore others,
and pick the most
constructive ones out of the mess.

Skye

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On Aug 15, 7:52 am, "Wendy" wrote:

If you aren't willing to get her spayed,

Which I never said I wasn't willing, but ya'll assumed...

you are doing more harm than good
by feeding her. You are keeping her healthy enough to continue reproducing
kittens when there are already too many kittens to ever possibly home. You
basically are facilitating the birth of kittens so that they or others like
them will have to be put to death. I know people mean well when they start
feeding strays but the truth is that it's better not to and just let nature
take it's course unless you're willing to commit to doing it right and
spay/neuter the cat.

Oh for God's sakes, I would NEVER start feeding a cat or dog just to
quit
when it becomes inconvenient for me. THAT's one of MY pet peeves -
people who do that or take on pets just to dump them when they get
tired
of them or they don't like them. And I know it happens a lot. So
forget
it - not even up for discussion. But thanks for reminding me there's
people like you who do that and/or advocate it. It's sick. :-/

Or that I should have ignored her 2 years ago when she was stumbling
around broken, starving, and skeletal. I DID try for about 8 years,
but
come on now. Every animal lover has their limit, and actually, I
don't
regret starting it one bit.

Truth is, this is the first cat I've ever "had" that I couldn't win
over, and I'm not
comfortable with that fact. I didn't know at the beginning she
wouldn't warm
up to me, now did I? But just because she's like that, doesn't mean
I'm gonna
discard her like a soiled tissue now.

For anyone else who's reading this: don't take on a dog, cat, rabbit,
gerbil,
ferret, etc., unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt you're
willing to
stand by and take care of it for the rest of it's life. If you don't
think you're
up to it or mature enough or are too fickle in your relationships,
simply
DON'T DO IT to begin with. End of story. And that goes for feeding
strays
too. Even if there's a risk you might not be able to spay it or make
a true
"pet" out of it. Once you start, it's yours. Jeesh.

THAT'S why people tend to get a little
short with someone who is exacerbating the problem.

Oh, go pick on someone who deserves it. Surely, you can find someone
out of all the pet-dumpers, animal abusers, people who REGULARLY
don't
get their pets spayed or neutered, people who don't CARE about
euthanized animals, etc., etc. Hey, I'll even join you for that.

Skye

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"Skye" wrote in message
ps.com...

However, to be honest, I haven't posted on Usenet for a long time and
I've forgotten
how vicious and pompously superior people can act here when they know
they're anonymous.
-----
With all due respect, you could easily be describing your own behavior on
this newsgroup.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

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"Skye" wrote in message
ps.com
: : On Aug 14, 7:57 pm, "William Graham"
: : wrote:
: :
: : : With the exception of a few trolls, everyone here has
: : : one thing in common....We all love cats and hate to
: : : see anything bad happen to them.
: :
: : Apparently, that's not entirely true. There are
: : evidently some in here who think
: : it's best to just let stray cats and dogs starve. THAT
: : can't be good.
: :
: : : Anytime you ask strangers for an opinion,
: :
: : which I *didn't*

Actually you did, by posting here.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what's been posted, but the simple
act of posting a message on a newsgroup implies that you want replies.
These replies will invariably be people's opinions. Whether or not they
are facts is a different matter entirely.


Ivor

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On 15 Aug, 13:52, "Wendy" wrote:
"Skye" wrote in message

s.com...







On Aug 14, 9:43 am, "cindys" wrote:
"Skye" wrote:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/

Yes. It's called a "spay."

I'm glad your life is so well-ordered and nothing ever gets out of
your control once
in a while. However, please realize that's not the case with everyone
in the world, mkay?

The older cat is a feral cat who I've been feeding for the last two
years, but has
hung around this neighborhood for at least 10. I've somehow grown
attached,
even though she is wild. She will not come to me nor allow me to so
much as touch her. You tell me how to get her to the vet, Cindy S.,
ok?

You buy or borrow (rescue groups and shelters sometimes lend traps - ask
them) a humane trap. If you've been feeding this cat anyway it should be
quite easy to trap her. Check with the rescue groups for recommendations for
low-cost spay neuter locations where they will do feral cats. Make an
appointment. The day of or the night before the appointment, put some good
smelly wet food in the back of the trap and set it shortly before the time
that the cat usually shows up to eat. Then wait in an out of sight but not
out of hearing place for the unique sound of a trap tripping. Cover trap
with a large towel and take the cat in the trap to the vet for her spay. If
it's the night before, place a large plastic bag on the floor of a garage or
similar place. Put a thick layer of newspaper on the plastic bag and then
set the trap on them. The cat will be fine in a covered trap overnight.







Last summer, some of the neighbors tried to get rid of her. They did
manage to
catch her kittens and most of them were put to sleep. This summer,
we've managed
to get the kittens before they were found, but we had to pull off
commando-type
raids under cat-hating neighbors porches to do it.

She seems to be safe and stays under the radar all the rest of the
year.

I simply wondered how many more summers I could look forward to
worrying about
this. Or do you just think I should stop feeding her? I mean, what
gives with your
attitude???

If you aren't willing to get her spayed, you are doing more harm than good
by feeding her. You are keeping her healthy enough to continue reproducing
kittens when there are already too many kittens to ever possibly home. You
basically are facilitating the birth of kittens so that they or others like
them will have to be put to death. I know people mean well when they start
feeding strays but the truth is that it's better not to and just let nature
take it's course unless you're willing to commit to doing it right and
spay/neuter the cat.







2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?

You should be contacting the vet about having her spayed. Why are you
allowing your cats to breed?

This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so. Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.
Skye

People tend to get a little bent out of shape with people who are willfully
adding to the cat over-population problem. I volunteer for a cat rescue
group. We do adoptions from a Pet Smart store on Saturdays. Last weekend we
had a man bring us a kitten who was obviously on death's door. It appeared
to have injested some type of poison and was having convultions. It was
beyond helping so one of our volunteers took the kitten to the local SPCA to
get it euthanized. When she arrived there the person at the shelter told her
they couldn't help us because they didn't have room. Our volunteer told them
that we weren't asking them to take the cat and house it but to put it out
of it's misery. The shelter person again said they didn't have room. When it
became obvious that they were miscommunicating the shelter person clarified
that they didn't have any room in their FREEZER where they keep the
euthanized animals until they can be cremated. She said that they couldn't
fit a hampster in the freezer if they had to. THAT'S how many unwanted
animals there are out there. And THAT'S why people tend to get a little
short with someone who is exacerbating the problem.

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You buy or borrow (rescue groups and shelters sometimes lend traps - ask
them) a humane trap. If you've been feeding this cat anyway it should be
quite easy to trap her. Check with the rescue groups for recommendations for
low-cost spay neuter locations where they will do feral cats. Make an
appointment. The day of or the night before the appointment, put some good
smelly wet food in the back of the trap and set it shortly before the time
that the cat usually shows up to eat. Then wait in an out of sight but not
out of hearing place for the unique sound of a trap tripping. Cover trap
with a large towel and take the cat in the trap to the vet for her spay. If
it's the night before, place a large plastic bag on the floor of a garage or
similar place. Put a thick layer of newspaper on the plastic bag and then
set the trap on them. The cat will be fine in a covered trap overnight.

Yes, I found that heating the food up attracted them straight to to
the bowl because their sense of smell is so superior to our own. I
couldn't find any society that was willing to lend me a trap, but I
did find a private american citizen on a USAF base that was willing to
lend me one. I was no expert on trapping cats, believe me- In fact, I
had never tried trapping a cat before, but with advice from Phil, I
managed to catch Lucy(fur!!) first time, so please @ least have the
confidence to try it out?
The vet was good enough to come out to us, & treated her immediate
needs, & we took her in the following day to have her spayed.
Lucy(fur!) was the only one that was so shy that we simply couldn't
catch her though. The rest, we were able to entice with food alone.

If you aren't willing to get her spayed, you are doing more harm than good
by feeding her. You are keeping her healthy enough to continue reproducing
kittens when there are already too many kittens to ever possibly home. You
basically are facilitating the birth of kittens so that they or others like
them will have to be put to death. I know people mean well when they start
feeding strays but the truth is that it's better not to and just let nature
take it's course unless you're willing to commit to doing it right and
spay/neuter the cat.

I wonder if you have a society in the USA that will pay towards the
cost of spaying a cat? In the UK we have a society called the Cat
Protection League, & their main objective, is to spay, neuter & advise
on how to catch cats that need fixing. They also rescue cats too, but
are totally reliant on volunteers who are willing to help for nothing.
If you do, these might be the best people to contact? Over here, they
are willing to pay half the cost towards spay or neuter fee's, which
is very helpful if you face the charge personally for a cat that you
don't own & intend to release.I was wondering if you have any similar
programs in the USA that you can go to if you need help like this?


People tend to get a little bent out of shape with people who are willfully
adding to the cat over-population problem. I volunteer for a cat rescue
group. We do adoptions from a Pet Smart store on Saturdays. Last weekend we
had a man bring us a kitten who was obviously on death's door. It appeared
to have injested some type of poison and was having convultions. It was
beyond helping so one of our volunteers took the kitten to the local SPCA to
get it euthanized. When she arrived there the person at the shelter told her
they couldn't help us because they didn't have room. Our volunteer told them
that we weren't asking them to take the cat and house it but to put it out
of it's misery. The shelter person again said they didn't have room. When it
became obvious that they were miscommunicating the shelter person clarified
that they didn't have any room in their FREEZER where they keep the
euthanized animals until they can be cremated. She said that they couldn't
fit a hampster in the freezer if they had to. THAT'S how many unwanted
animals there are out there. And THAT'S why people tend to get a little
short with someone who is exacerbating the problem.

OMG Wendy, I have never heard such a sad story in my entitre life. I
used to wonder why people got so out of shape when they heard of our
community bowl, but having heard this story, I now understand why. Our
community bowl has two objectives. The first was to stop them
starving, & the second was to see that they were fixed. I end up
paying around $30 for a male, & $40 for a female. It's not a huge
amount of money to find, & well worth the hassle of catching them. It
is also worth having a word with your regular vet, to see if they are
willing to do cheaper rates if you take more than say, one a month to
them too.

I knew that things were bad in the USA regarding feral & unwanted
cats, but I had no idea exactly how bad. I hope that story serves as a
reminder to others as to why it is so important to get them spayed &
neutered. I have to say that I am very shocked to hear your story.
That is absolutely horrific!! I can only assume that we lead very
sheltered lives in the UK, or the problem is not yet quite at crisis
point.
Thank you for sharing this story with us.

Sheelagh "o"
( Nice to see you too;o)

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"Skye" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 14, 7:57 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

With the exception of a few trolls, everyone here has one thing in
common....We all love cats and hate to see anything bad happen to them.

Apparently, that's not entirely true. There are evidently some in
here who think
it's best to just let stray cats and dogs starve. THAT can't be
good.

Anytime you ask strangers for an opinion,

which I *didn't*

you are risking getting bad
advice.....the question I have is: Why did you post here in the first
place?

For information:

1. To find out if there is an age at which a female cat might stop
breeding
naturally.

2. To find out if my pregnant cat was medically in danger.

To my knowledge, only 1 person attempted to specifically answered both
questions.
The rest is just rabid, nutty farting in the wind to me - with the
exception of your
advice of trapping the older cat.

When I was having trouble with my car, I posted my problem to some
car
newsgroups asking for information. I received 12 responses packed
full
of info so that I was able to get my car fixed quickly. There were no
opinions -
no one accused me of letting my car get in disrepair or putting
pollution into
the air by driving a car, no judgmental attitudes at all. I simply
received
information that I needed.

However, to be honest, I haven't posted on Usenet for a long time and
I've forgotten
how vicious and pompously superior people can act here when they know
they're anonymous. All you can do is killfile some, ignore others,
and pick the most
constructive ones out of the mess.

Skye

Well, you have to understand that not all of us cat lovers agree on
everything.....Exactly what is the best way to help cats is a matter of
opinion, and there are things that some of us would do that others wouldn't
do.....I happen (for example) to believe it is better to let a cat go, and
give it a chance to fend for itself, than it is to put it to sleep.....But
we have had some rousing wars and disagreements on this point. I picked up
my favorite cat from a Burger King parking lot, where someone who couldn't
keep him any longer just dropped him off.....When he tried to beg some
hamburger from me, he got his little fanny thrown in my car, and brought
home permanently. Not all cats are so lucky, so I can understand why others
disagree with me.....

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OMG Wendy, I have never heard such a sad story in my entitre life. I
used to wonder why people got so out of shape when they heard of our
community bowl, but having heard this story, I now understand why. Our
community bowl has two objectives. The first was to stop them
starving, & the second was to see that they were fixed. I end up
paying around $30 for a male, & $40 for a female. It's not a huge
amount of money to find, & well worth the hassle of catching them. It
is also worth having a word with your regular vet, to see if they are
willing to do cheaper rates if you take more than say, one a month to
them too.

I knew that things were bad in the USA regarding feral & unwanted
cats, but I had no idea exactly how bad. I hope that story serves as a
reminder to others as to why it is so important to get them spayed &
neutered. I have to say that I am very shocked to hear your story.
That is absolutely horrific!! I can only assume that we lead very
sheltered lives in the UK, or the problem is not yet quite at crisis
point.
Thank you for sharing this story with us.

Sheelagh "o"
( Nice to see you too;o)


It's the God's honest truth. I was shocked when the volunteer came back and
told us of the problem she had getting the poor thing put out of it's
misery. It was bent over backwards seizing and covered it what looked like
maggots and the SPCA couldn't help us. The volunteer finally took it to a
private vet who was still open and they euthanized the kitten for us.

We're smack dab in the middle of kitten season here and I guess everyone is
filled up with cats. There is a shelter in Philadelphia that has been giving
them away for a dollar just so they don't have to euthanize. The sad thing
is that many of these $1 cats will be returned or dumped back on the street
and have to be dealt with later. Maybe there will be more room then though -
or at least one can hope.

I'm back up to 17 fosters myself. Two of them are bottle feeders that were
found outside with no mom. There were four kittens to start with but the one
was dead when it arrived at the vets office and they euthanized the other
because it was so sick. I was at the vet's picking up one of my fosters (the
mother of 6 kittens born on Father's Day) and they asked if I could take the
surviving two.

W

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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:20:49 +0000, Skye wrote:

Oh for God's sakes, I would NEVER start feeding a cat or dog just to
quit when it becomes inconvenient for me.

That's commendable, but what is wrong with the idea of trapping this
animal and getting her spayed? What if she comes around with a litter of
kittens? Will you feed them all? Eventually you might be faced with a
Malthusian problem.

Charlie

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"Wendy" wrote in message news:S9idnSXf49-
group. We do adoptions from a Pet Smart store on Saturdays. Last weekend
we
had a man bring us a kitten who was obviously on death's door. It appeared
to have injested some type of poison and was having convultions. It was
beyond helping so one of our volunteers took the kitten to the local SPCA
to
get it euthanized. When she arrived there the person at the shelter told
her
they couldn't help us because they didn't have room.

I have to ask. When confronted with this problem, why did *you* not force
yourself to take action? You had a kitten that was obviously in great
distress, you knew it had to be put down and you couldn't immediately find a
vet to do it. All the time and effort you spent trying to do the right thing
and the kitten was suffering. A few seconds of submerging it in a sink and
it's agony would have been over. Relatively quick and painless. That takes
real guts and real love of animals, putting an animal down that you care
for.

I had to do that once to a dog I owned after she got run over by a car. The
way her guts were splayed out on the road and she was still alive yelping in
agony, all I could do was run to get a tire iron and crush her skull. Then I
buried her in my backyard garden. I cried for over a week and it was the
hardest thing I've ever had to do, but I knew it was the right thing to do.

I still cry sometimes when I think of what I had to do, but I know that
under the same circumstances, I'd do it again. Putting aside society's laws
for a moment, if the situation was reversed, I'd want someone to do the same
thing for me. That was the only way I could rationalize myself into doing
what I knew I had to do.

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 04:12:49 -0400, Upscale wrote:

I have to ask. When confronted with this problem, why did *you* not force
yourself to take action? You had a kitten that was obviously in great
distress, you knew it had to be put down and you couldn't immediately find a
vet to do it. All the time and effort you spent trying to do the right thing
and the kitten was suffering. A few seconds of submerging it in a sink and
it's agony would have been over. Relatively quick and painless. That takes
real guts and real love of animals, putting an animal down that you care
for.

It's also illegal in many areas: it's considered animal cruelty for an
unapproved person to use an unapproved method to end the distress of a
suffering animal. It *is* however allowed to *cause* suffering of certain
species during hunting season, provided you have a license (you don't have
to be competent to kill quickly so long as you have the license).

--
T.E.D. )

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"Ted Davis" wrote in message

It's also illegal in many areas: it's considered animal cruelty for an
unapproved person to use an unapproved method to end the distress of a
suffering animal.

Of course it's illegal, probably always will be in North America, but that's
not the point as far as I'm concerned. When I put my dog down, it wouldn't
have mattered if there were 20 people there threatening to have me charged,
it was a matter of my own peace of mind. And if I'd had to pay some fine or
serve some type of incarceration, that wouldn't have mattered much either.
It was just a matter of my doing what I felt was needed to be done right
away.

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"Upscale" wrote in message
...
"Wendy" wrote in message news:S9idnSXf49-
group. We do adoptions from a Pet Smart store on Saturdays. Last weekend
we
had a man bring us a kitten who was obviously on death's door. It
appeared
to have injested some type of poison and was having convultions. It was
beyond helping so one of our volunteers took the kitten to the local SPCA
to
get it euthanized. When she arrived there the person at the shelter told
her
they couldn't help us because they didn't have room.

I have to ask. When confronted with this problem, why did *you* not force
yourself to take action? You had a kitten that was obviously in great
distress, you knew it had to be put down and you couldn't immediately find
a
vet to do it. All the time and effort you spent trying to do the right
thing
and the kitten was suffering. A few seconds of submerging it in a sink and
it's agony would have been over. Relatively quick and painless.
---------
I don't necessarily dispute your premise of putting an animal out of its
misery yourself. My husband once had no choice but to do this for a baby
bird with a broken neck who had fallen out of its nest. He chopped off its
head with a hoe. Death was instant. But drowning the kitten would not be the
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way
for the kitten to die.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



That takes
real guts and real love of animals, putting an animal down that you care
for.

I had to do that once to a dog I owned after she got run over by a car.
The
way her guts were splayed out on the road and she was still alive yelping
in
agony, all I could do was run to get a tire iron and crush her skull. Then
I
buried her in my backyard garden. I cried for over a week and it was the
hardest thing I've ever had to do, but I knew it was the right thing to
do.

I still cry sometimes when I think of what I had to do, but I know that
under the same circumstances, I'd do it again. Putting aside society's
laws
for a moment, if the situation was reversed, I'd want someone to do the
same
thing for me. That was the only way I could rationalize myself into doing
what I knew I had to do.

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"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible way
for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious
against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a
vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd
prefer to die.

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote:

"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible
way for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become
unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was
looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know
which method I'd prefer to die.

Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract
information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it
work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying.

Charlie

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Charlie Wilkes writes:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote:

"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible
way for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become
unconscious against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was
looking for a vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know
which method I'd prefer to die.

Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract
information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it
work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying.

Can't see how water boarding could that be painful.
Prisoner holds his breath, if he inhales, they have a problem.
I don't believe they want that.

It's scary thats for sure and I'm not a torture advocate.

I like to swim as far as I can under water,
as you run out of air, panic sets in.

In the cat's case, sure the cat is scared.
It's going to inhale sooner or later but I don't
believe the water in the lungs is all that painful.
Yes, I've breathed in water, it hurts but it's not the
worst pain I've ever had.
It's just water. By the time it inhales it's going to
be light headed anyway. Death follows soon after.

No I don't want to try it.

When you have a cat with it's guts hanging out,
what's more painful, the trip to the vet or
5 minutes under water?

I thought it was common practice to put down dogs
thru suffocation?

Nasty subject anyway...

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:30:48 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

When you have a cat with it's guts hanging out, what's more painful, the
trip to the vet or 5 minutes under water?

I don't know. If I had to euthenize a cat without drugs, my first choice
would be to shoot it in the back of the head, using a rifle or handgun,
and my second choice would be to strangle it with a cord.

Charlie

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"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote:
Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract
information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it
work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying.

Charlie

The government currently uses tactics which violate the Geneva convention
because we have a despicable worm as President who has brought shame on the
office and on the nation as a whole. If anyone should be tortured it is
Bush, but lets not stray off the subject of cats.

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"Upscale" wrote in message
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"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible
way
for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious
against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a
vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd
prefer to die.



It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

W

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"Professor" wrote in message
news:v32xi.7970$%t4.6778@trnddc03...
"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:52:55 -0400, Upscale wrote:
Why do you think the U.S. gov't uses simulated drowning to extract
information from prisoners? Answer -- because it works. And why does it
work? Answer -- because it's painful and terrifying.

Charlie

The government currently uses tactics which violate the Geneva convention
because we have a despicable worm as President who has brought shame on
the office and on the nation as a whole. If anyone should be tortured it
is Bush, but lets not stray off the subject of cats.

Errr.....The government was doing things like that long before Bush, but if
you must Bush-bash, then be my guest. (It's not like you're alone....:^)

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On 16 Aug, 21:53, "Wendy" wrote:
"Upscale" wrote in message

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"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible
way
for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become unconscious
against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for a
vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method I'd
prefer to die.

It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

W

It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

I "know" that you did the right thing by that kitten Wendy, & so does
every other person who knows you on here. I find it very tacky that
others feel the need to pick over the fact that you did what was best
@ that time for the kitten concerned.

You have spent a long time helping kittens, cats & all manner of
rescues for several years, & during that time, you have saved untold
amount of cats, pregnant Queens & their litters, because of others
thoughtless attitudes towards spaying & neutering their own cats. It's
sad that someone feels that they have the right to come along & nit
pick about what you did for that one kitten, without recognising the
years that you have spent devoting your life towards saving cats &
homing the most needy ( & yes, that includes me whilst I continued to
breed cats too!!)

If I can see this, then so can they too- I feel/ think this is
selective & downright inventive. No hours, were mentioned @ all in
your passage! Some are selectively choosing to see what they want to,
rather than the facts in front of them.

I say well done to you for doing what you could @ the time. It was no
easy task & I'm certain that you found no happiness in what you had to
do to put the poor mite out of it's misery. You should be thanked for
what you had to do, not criticised.

All I can see here is speculation, about what they "might/ or should"
have done.
I only agree with one of them, & only then if I had no other choice.
Lets thank the powers that be that they were not faced with your
agonising choices, & the poor mite wasn't in their care @ the time.
You did what you had to in as short as time as was reasonably
possible. You have my utter respect, it was no easy thing to have to
handle, & I am so sorry that you were faced with that situation. It
was a terrible position to find yourself in.
Best Wishes,
Sheelagh"o"

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"Sheelagh o" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 16 Aug, 21:53, "Wendy" wrote:
"Upscale" wrote in message

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"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill
up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible
way
for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become
unconscious
against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for
a
vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method
I'd
prefer to die.

It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

W

It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

I "know" that you did the right thing by that kitten Wendy, & so does
every other person who knows you on here. I find it very tacky that
others feel the need to pick over the fact that you did what was best
@ that time for the kitten concerned.

You have spent a long time helping kittens, cats & all manner of
rescues for several years, & during that time, you have saved untold
amount of cats, pregnant Queens & their litters, because of others
thoughtless attitudes towards spaying & neutering their own cats. It's
sad that someone feels that they have the right to come along & nit
pick about what you did for that one kitten, without recognising the
years that you have spent devoting your life towards saving cats &
homing the most needy ( & yes, that includes me whilst I continued to
breed cats too!!)

If I can see this, then so can they too- I feel/ think this is
selective & downright inventive. No hours, were mentioned @ all in
your passage! Some are selectively choosing to see what they want to,
rather than the facts in front of them.

I say well done to you for doing what you could @ the time. It was no
easy task & I'm certain that you found no happiness in what you had to
do to put the poor mite out of it's misery. You should be thanked for
what you had to do, not criticised.

All I can see here is speculation, about what they "might/ or should"
have done.
I only agree with one of them, & only then if I had no other choice.
Lets thank the powers that be that they were not faced with your
agonising choices, & the poor mite wasn't in their care @ the time.
You did what you had to in as short as time as was reasonably
possible. You have my utter respect, it was no easy thing to have to
handle, & I am so sorry that you were faced with that situation. It
was a terrible position to find yourself in.
Best Wishes,
Sheelagh"o"

This is always the hardest decision for someone to make....Our desire to
wait and see if the cat recovers is so great, that it is very hard to, "give
it up" and decide to put it down.....At such times, it is usually best to go
with the veterinarians decision, because they don't have the emotional
involvement that you are burdened with......

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"Sheelagh o" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 16 Aug, 21:53, "Wendy" wrote:
"Upscale" wrote in message

...



"cindys" wrote in message
least bit quick or painless. Suffocating and having one's lungs fill
up
with
water would IMO be the worst death imaginable. It would be a horrible
way
for the kitten to die.

Possibly. But, balance the few seconds it would take to become
unconscious
against the hours the kitten was in agony while someone was looking for
a
vet to euthanize the kitten. Reverse the roles and I know which method
I'd
prefer to die.

It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

W

It wasn't hours. The SPCA was close by as was the vet who did euthanize.

I "know" that you did the right thing by that kitten Wendy, & so does
every other person who knows you on here. I find it very tacky that
others feel the need to pick over the fact that you did what was best
@ that time for the kitten concerned.
----------
For the record, I hope my remarks were not taken to be a criticism of Wendy.
They were not intended to be, and I would have done the same thing as she
did in her shoes. When my husband put the baby bird out of its misery, it
was only because the vet's office was already closed, and we didn't want the
bird to suffer late into the night only to have to die on its own. Even
though death (using the hoe) was nearly instantaneous, my husband said it
was a horrible experience, and he would never want to repeat it.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.




You have spent a long time helping kittens, cats & all manner of
rescues for several years, & during that time, you have saved untold
amount of cats, pregnant Queens & their litters, because of others
thoughtless attitudes towards spaying & neutering their own cats. It's
sad that someone feels that they have the right to come along & nit
pick about what you did for that one kitten, without recognising the
years that you have spent devoting your life towards saving cats &
homing the most needy ( & yes, that includes me whilst I continued to
breed cats too!!)

If I can see this, then so can they too- I feel/ think this is
selective & downright inventive. No hours, were mentioned @ all in
your passage! Some are selectively choosing to see what they want to,
rather than the facts in front of them.

I say well done to you for doing what you could @ the time. It was no
easy task & I'm certain that you found no happiness in what you had to
do to put the poor mite out of it's misery. You should be thanked for
what you had to do, not criticised.

All I can see here is speculation, about what they "might/ or should"
have done.
I only agree with one of them, & only then if I had no other choice.
Lets thank the powers that be that they were not faced with your
agonising choices, & the poor mite wasn't in their care @ the time.
You did what you had to in as short as time as was reasonably
possible. You have my utter respect, it was no easy thing to have to
handle, & I am so sorry that you were faced with that situation. It
was a terrible position to find yourself in.
Best Wishes,
Sheelagh"o"

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:45:11 -0400, cindys wrote:

For the record, I hope my remarks were not taken to be a criticism of
Wendy. They were not intended to be, and I would have done the same
thing as she did in her shoes. When my husband put the baby bird out of
its misery, it was only because the vet's office was already closed, and
we didn't want the bird to suffer late into the night only to have to
die on its own. Even though death (using the hoe) was nearly
instantaneous, my husband said it was a horrible experience, and he
would never want to repeat it. Best regards,
---Cindy S.

I live on an island where the vet is either a boat ride or a plane ride
away, and there have been a couple of times when I have had to put
animals down. Strangulation (for birds) or a bullet (for larger animals)
are quick and painless for the animal. What your husband did with the
hoe was also a humane technique.

Drowning is a chicken**** way to get rid of cats. People do it out
here. One time I was at a marina, and I saw a couple of guys walking
down the dock with a cat in a carrier. It was a nice looking cat. I
figured it was their pet and they were getting aboard a boat. I went
into town and did my errands, and when I got back, I tossed something in
the dumpster and there was the soaked body of this poor animal. If I'd
known what those assholes were up to, I'd have offered to take the cat.

Charlie