Fences - Cats - DIY?
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Julie Bove" wrote: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a troll, or are you just unconscious? I'm not being a troll. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Julie Bove wrote:
"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Yes, it can be rather expensive. We have a roving vet who makes house calls in the Salem area, (where we live)and with five cats, it costs us over a thousand dollars a year to keep them in good health. Oddly enough, our feral cat, Smokey has cost us the least. Two of the females had to have operations that ran about $800 each. One had har thyroid glands removed, and the other had a hairball in her stomach that made it swell up until it filled her whole abdoman. We thought it was a tumor, and we told the vet to put her down if they couldn't remove it all. The vet opened her up, saw that it was her stomache, opened that up, and just removed a baseball sized hairball! Today she is fine, and that was several years ago. But at our age, my wife and I have few hobbies, so we don't mind paying for our kitty's health. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Brooklyn1 wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Truth is, only one of our five cats goes outside to do her thing. The other four all use the two litter boxes we keep in the house. But I know that it is impossibler to tell a liberal anthing. They all know it all, and can't be convinced by anything anyone else could say to them. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
dgk wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. Maybe he can't afford litter? Maybe he can't afford to take cats to the vet? I don't know. We all do what we can, that's why we're on these groups. I have four cats. I can keep them totally safe, locked in a small room. Should I do that? If I give them the run of the house, maybe they'll chew on a wire and get electrocuted. Maybe they'll eat a stray rubber band and die of a perorated colon. Maybe find a string and eat that, tying up their intestines. No, I'd better keep them locked in a small room with nothing that can possible hurt them. Food bowls, water, litterbox. No cat tree because they might jump off it and break a leg. If I let them have the run of the house, maybe they'll break a screen in the window and get out. That actually happend once - they didn't get out but they could have. I can't take any more in although I'd like to. Maybe just one more. And maybe just one more after that. Perhaps stop at 15? 20? That's called hoarding or collecting. Am I bad for taking care of a few outside cats but not taking them inside? I've built them shelters, I feed them, I've had them fixed. And yes, they stand a pretty good chance of getting run over. I dread that happening, particularly to the one we call Baby, but I can't fix all the problems in the world. I can't take in every cat and keep it safe. I'd love to. If I take in Baby, how about that new grey one that showed up, Buddy? Maybe we should turn them into some agency where they might get adopted if sociable enough or, far more likely, killed? And I do feed the outside cats Friskees or 9Lives or something cheaper than what I feed the indoor ones. It costs a lot of money, and my spoiled cats don't even like the good food that they get. For that matter, they don't like Friskees. They're spoiled. Sure, why buy food that MIGHT be better for them in the long run when they're likely to die of some accident before I could find them and get them to a vet? So we all do what we can. Some of us believe that the quality of the cat's life, the ability to hunt and to roam is more important than keeping them in a safe sterile box. I'm the rare third option. Mine go into a fenced in yard where they can dig and lie in the earth or hide under bushes as they will. There is some risk, but they love it. Should I make them stay inside? You think so. I think not. We both love our cats. I don't know where anyone got the idea that I can't afford to keep my five cats in good health. I retired in 1996 with almost a million dollars. Today, at 77, I am still worth a half million. Our cats get the best of medical care from a roving vet who sees all of them about once every six months, and we have had two of them get life saving operations at about 800 dollars each. Just because they are "outside cats" who have front and rear cat doors they can use at any time of the day or night, doesn't mean that they are not well cared for at all. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
dgk wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Billy wrote:
In article , dgk wrote: On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Why are you pin heads cross posting to a half dozen groups including gardener's, consumer's groups? Are you a band of TROLLS? Or are you just being lead by the anti-Christian Brooklyn1? I don't know how to not cross post. How do you know from which of several groups listed in the header the person you are answering is posting from? Ande, if you don't know, then how can you eliminate any of the groups without removing the one that you want to answer? So, I post to whoefver is in the header that is already there. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
Julie Bove wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Julie Bove" wrote: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Julie. You don't care if your being a troll, or are you just unconscious? I'm not being a troll. On usenet, a "troll" is anyone with whom you disagree...... |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 23:00:29 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message ... "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. And they willingly came in to sleep. I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. Both count. Liberty is important but so is food and a nice place to sleep. |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
On Sep 9, 11:00*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote:
dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. *I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. *They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. *It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. *And they willingly came in to sleep. *I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB |
Fences - Cats - DIY?
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote: On Sep 9, 11:00*pm, "Bill Graham" wrote: dgk wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: "Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message . .. "Bill Graham" wrote: Well, to bring the discussion back to cats, I take in strays and feed them and water them, and offer them a warm place to sleep in the Winter time. What I don't do is imprison them. They were free when they came to me, and they remain free while they are with me. Part of the reason they choose to stay with me is the fact that the door is always open. Both for me and for them. Slavery ended (or should have ended) back in the 19th century, both for animals and men. Tell the truth, **** for brains... you're another of those lazy cheap *******s who can't exert themselves to deal with litter and pay for it... you don't take the cat to a vet and you feed it the cheapest crap food you can find because this isn't the first time you made believe you are caring for an animal because you know there's no reason to make any investment in yet another cat that you'll find flattened in the road. *I've met lots of fake do-gooders like you... I don't believe a word you said, you don't feed any cat, you're just trolling. I tried to take in two strays once but Maui (my old cat) wouldn't have them. I couldn't really afford three cats at the time anyway. I had a feed store say that they would take them but they wound up not doing it. *They loaned me a big kennel for them and I could at least let them sleep in that on the freezing nights in my house. *It was the only thing that kept them safe from Maui. *And they willingly came in to sleep. *I did feed them. Then my husband (we were not married yet) called around and found a shelter that would take them if he would pay to have them spayed and neutered, which he did. Hopefully they went to a good home. Hopefully. I'm always afraid to take cats to any organization other than a no-kill shelter. And even that can be a problem because the cat can stay in a small cage for a very long time. No fun for the cat. PETA thinks that it's better for the cats to be PTS rather than live their life in a no-kill shelter. It's a reasonable arugment. I think so too. All of my cats were free as the wind when I got them, and living with me, they remain free. I would rather put them down than imprison them in a cage 24/7. My cats and I believe as Patrick Henry believed: Give me liberty or give me death! As I said here once befo Only a stupid liberal thinks length of life is more important than quality of life. What gave you that idea? HB Three of my four cats want a comfy place to lie, nice food to eat, toys and a slave to play with, and a warmer comfy place to lie. The other one wants the same thing but likes to go outside once in a while. |
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