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keshcatlvr November 21st 03 03:26 PM

torn
 
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.

kaeli November 21st 03 03:55 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.

--
~kaeli~
A man needs a mistress... just to break the monogamy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


kaeli November 21st 03 03:55 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.

--
~kaeli~
A man needs a mistress... just to break the monogamy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


kaeli November 21st 03 03:55 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.

--
~kaeli~
A man needs a mistress... just to break the monogamy.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


PawsForThought November 21st 03 04:51 PM

From: (keshcatlvr)


Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather on
a stick toys and play with the cats.
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

PawsForThought November 21st 03 04:51 PM

From: (keshcatlvr)


Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather on
a stick toys and play with the cats.
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

PawsForThought November 21st 03 04:51 PM

From: (keshcatlvr)


Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather on
a stick toys and play with the cats.
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Joe Canuck November 21st 03 05:18 PM

keshcatlvr wrote:
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.


Consider enriching his environment...

Create a couple of perches where he can look out different windows.

Buy some SonoTube and create little tunnels for him to crawl around in.

Consider getting a drinking fountain with running water.

Install weatherstripping of some sort around the door to minimize the
noise coming in from the hallway.

Consider getting some additional cat furniture or perhaps making high
walkways or perches for him to enjoy.

Perhaps give him more of your own attention, play with him when you can


--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck


Joe Canuck November 21st 03 05:18 PM

keshcatlvr wrote:
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.


Consider enriching his environment...

Create a couple of perches where he can look out different windows.

Buy some SonoTube and create little tunnels for him to crawl around in.

Consider getting a drinking fountain with running water.

Install weatherstripping of some sort around the door to minimize the
noise coming in from the hallway.

Consider getting some additional cat furniture or perhaps making high
walkways or perches for him to enjoy.

Perhaps give him more of your own attention, play with him when you can


--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck


Joe Canuck November 21st 03 05:18 PM

keshcatlvr wrote:
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.


Consider enriching his environment...

Create a couple of perches where he can look out different windows.

Buy some SonoTube and create little tunnels for him to crawl around in.

Consider getting a drinking fountain with running water.

Install weatherstripping of some sort around the door to minimize the
noise coming in from the hallway.

Consider getting some additional cat furniture or perhaps making high
walkways or perches for him to enjoy.

Perhaps give him more of your own attention, play with him when you can


--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck


Phil P. November 21st 03 06:05 PM


"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
keshcatlvr wrote:
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.


Consider enriching his environment...

Create a couple of perches where he can look out different windows.

Buy some SonoTube and create little tunnels for him to crawl around in.

Consider getting a drinking fountain with running water.

Install weatherstripping of some sort around the door to minimize the
noise coming in from the hallway.

Consider getting some additional cat furniture or perhaps making high
walkways or perches for him to enjoy.


Excellent advice! Here are some ideas:

http://www.maxshouse.com/Environment...l_walkways.htm

http://www.maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment.htm




Phil P. November 21st 03 06:05 PM


"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
keshcatlvr wrote:
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.


Consider enriching his environment...

Create a couple of perches where he can look out different windows.

Buy some SonoTube and create little tunnels for him to crawl around in.

Consider getting a drinking fountain with running water.

Install weatherstripping of some sort around the door to minimize the
noise coming in from the hallway.

Consider getting some additional cat furniture or perhaps making high
walkways or perches for him to enjoy.


Excellent advice! Here are some ideas:

http://www.maxshouse.com/Environment...l_walkways.htm

http://www.maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment.htm




Phil P. November 21st 03 06:05 PM


"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
keshcatlvr wrote:
I have two 1-1/2 year old indoor male altered cats, Mazik and Nudnik.
Six months ago I sold my 2 br condo and moved into a 1 br apartment.
We are allowed one animal. I still have my two.

But Mazik is going crazy here. He is climbing the walls, literally. He
is jumping up onto the door jambs, knock over pictures from the book
shelves, leaping up to look out the peep hole, howling at the door,
etc. at 5:30 am.

I think the space is too small for him. Or for us. I have several
different toys that I keep hidden and take out alternately to play
with for diversion. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm torn because I've had him since baby-hood. But I find myself
feeling angry at him too.

I've been in animal rescue. I know what the deal is out there. I'm
torn.

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.

thanks.


Consider enriching his environment...

Create a couple of perches where he can look out different windows.

Buy some SonoTube and create little tunnels for him to crawl around in.

Consider getting a drinking fountain with running water.

Install weatherstripping of some sort around the door to minimize the
noise coming in from the hallway.

Consider getting some additional cat furniture or perhaps making high
walkways or perches for him to enjoy.


Excellent advice! Here are some ideas:

http://www.maxshouse.com/Environment...l_walkways.htm

http://www.maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment.htm




keshcatlvr November 21st 03 06:35 PM

kaeli wrote in message . ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.

keshcatlvr November 21st 03 06:35 PM

kaeli wrote in message . ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.

keshcatlvr November 21st 03 06:35 PM

kaeli wrote in message . ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.

kaeli November 21st 03 07:27 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis.


He will. If you do this, it's because you're going to take him out
almost every day. :)

P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


Same here, but we have the next best thing - flying leaves! LOL

I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not below
0, Rowan comes with. She actually likes to go out, even in the rain and
snow. She doesn't care. She cries to go unless it's below like 10
degrees - even if she just wants to go for 10 minutes, it's the
highlight of her day.

--
~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


kaeli November 21st 03 07:27 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis.


He will. If you do this, it's because you're going to take him out
almost every day. :)

P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


Same here, but we have the next best thing - flying leaves! LOL

I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not below
0, Rowan comes with. She actually likes to go out, even in the rain and
snow. She doesn't care. She cries to go unless it's below like 10
degrees - even if she just wants to go for 10 minutes, it's the
highlight of her day.

--
~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


kaeli November 21st 03 07:27 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis.


He will. If you do this, it's because you're going to take him out
almost every day. :)

P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


Same here, but we have the next best thing - flying leaves! LOL

I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not below
0, Rowan comes with. She actually likes to go out, even in the rain and
snow. She doesn't care. She cries to go unless it's below like 10
degrees - even if she just wants to go for 10 minutes, it's the
highlight of her day.

--
~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


ChakaShiva November 21st 03 10:21 PM


"kaeli" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis.


He will. If you do this, it's because you're going to take him out
almost every day. :)

P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


Same here, but we have the next best thing - flying leaves! LOL

I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not below
0, Rowan comes with. She actually likes to go out, even in the rain and
snow. She doesn't care. She cries to go unless it's below like 10
degrees - even if she just wants to go for 10 minutes, it's the
highlight of her day.

--


Its wonderful that you do this for her kaeli!! :-)

Elaine


~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace




ChakaShiva November 21st 03 10:21 PM


"kaeli" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis.


He will. If you do this, it's because you're going to take him out
almost every day. :)

P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


Same here, but we have the next best thing - flying leaves! LOL

I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not below
0, Rowan comes with. She actually likes to go out, even in the rain and
snow. She doesn't care. She cries to go unless it's below like 10
degrees - even if she just wants to go for 10 minutes, it's the
highlight of her day.

--


Its wonderful that you do this for her kaeli!! :-)

Elaine


~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace




ChakaShiva November 21st 03 10:21 PM


"kaeli" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry to
go out on a regular basis.


He will. If you do this, it's because you're going to take him out
almost every day. :)

P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


Same here, but we have the next best thing - flying leaves! LOL

I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not below
0, Rowan comes with. She actually likes to go out, even in the rain and
snow. She doesn't care. She cries to go unless it's below like 10
degrees - even if she just wants to go for 10 minutes, it's the
highlight of her day.

--


Its wonderful that you do this for her kaeli!! :-)

Elaine


~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace




Karen November 22nd 03 02:27 AM

in article , PawsForThought at
olitter wrote on 11/21/03 10:51 AM:

From:
(keshcatlvr)


Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather
on
a stick toys and play with the cats.
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm


Yes, I have several trees and perches. They help a lot.

Karen


Karen November 22nd 03 02:27 AM

in article , PawsForThought at
olitter wrote on 11/21/03 10:51 AM:

From:
(keshcatlvr)


Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather
on
a stick toys and play with the cats.
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm


Yes, I have several trees and perches. They help a lot.

Karen


Karen November 22nd 03 02:27 AM

in article , PawsForThought at
olitter wrote on 11/21/03 10:51 AM:

From:
(keshcatlvr)


Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather
on
a stick toys and play with the cats.
________
See my cats:
http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm


Yes, I have several trees and perches. They help a lot.

Karen


Mary November 22nd 03 05:00 AM


"keshcatlvr" wrote in message
om...
kaeli wrote in message

. ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD

PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking

him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of

chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry

to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


What if he does? It sounds like you don't like him much at the moment.
Six months is a long time to put up with an unhappy cat in a
one-bedroom apartment, though, so I can see why he might be getting on
your nerves. However--if you really want to keep him you will be
willing to put some effort into making him happy. If not, I can see
why you feel guilty for wanting to get rid of him, but don't know what
to say about that. His reaction seems extreme due to a change like a
one bedroom smaller apartment. Did you say he was neutered?



Mary November 22nd 03 05:00 AM


"keshcatlvr" wrote in message
om...
kaeli wrote in message

. ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD

PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking

him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of

chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry

to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


What if he does? It sounds like you don't like him much at the moment.
Six months is a long time to put up with an unhappy cat in a
one-bedroom apartment, though, so I can see why he might be getting on
your nerves. However--if you really want to keep him you will be
willing to put some effort into making him happy. If not, I can see
why you feel guilty for wanting to get rid of him, but don't know what
to say about that. His reaction seems extreme due to a change like a
one bedroom smaller apartment. Did you say he was neutered?



Mary November 22nd 03 05:00 AM


"keshcatlvr" wrote in message
om...
kaeli wrote in message

. ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD

PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking

him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of

chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry

to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


What if he does? It sounds like you don't like him much at the moment.
Six months is a long time to put up with an unhappy cat in a
one-bedroom apartment, though, so I can see why he might be getting on
your nerves. However--if you really want to keep him you will be
willing to put some effort into making him happy. If not, I can see
why you feel guilty for wanting to get rid of him, but don't know what
to say about that. His reaction seems extreme due to a change like a
one bedroom smaller apartment. Did you say he was neutered?



Mary November 22nd 03 05:02 AM


"kaeli" wrote in message
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...
I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not

below
0, Rowan comes with.
~kaeli~


I keep thinking this but forgetting to post it: great name, Rowan. Are
you an Ann Rice fan? ;)



Mary November 22nd 03 05:02 AM


"kaeli" wrote in message
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...
I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not

below
0, Rowan comes with.
~kaeli~


I keep thinking this but forgetting to post it: great name, Rowan. Are
you an Ann Rice fan? ;)



Mary November 22nd 03 05:02 AM


"kaeli" wrote in message
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...
I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not

below
0, Rowan comes with.
~kaeli~


I keep thinking this but forgetting to post it: great name, Rowan. Are
you an Ann Rice fan? ;)



kaeli November 22nd 03 01:49 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

"kaeli" wrote in message
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...
I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not

below
0, Rowan comes with.
~kaeli~


I keep thinking this but forgetting to post it: great name, Rowan. Are
you an Ann Rice fan? ;)




Someone finally gets the reference! :D

Yup, named after Ann's character.


--
~kaeli~
God was my co-pilot... but then we crashed in the mountains
and I had to eat him.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


kaeli November 22nd 03 01:49 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

"kaeli" wrote in message
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...
I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not

below
0, Rowan comes with.
~kaeli~


I keep thinking this but forgetting to post it: great name, Rowan. Are
you an Ann Rice fan? ;)




Someone finally gets the reference! :D

Yup, named after Ann's character.


--
~kaeli~
God was my co-pilot... but then we crashed in the mountains
and I had to eat him.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


kaeli November 22nd 03 01:49 PM

In article ,
enlightened us with...

"kaeli" wrote in message
...
In article ,
enlightened us with...
I have a dog, so I have to go out every day anyway. So if it's not

below
0, Rowan comes with.
~kaeli~


I keep thinking this but forgetting to post it: great name, Rowan. Are
you an Ann Rice fan? ;)




Someone finally gets the reference! :D

Yup, named after Ann's character.


--
~kaeli~
God was my co-pilot... but then we crashed in the mountains
and I had to eat him.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace


keshcatlvr November 22nd 03 03:11 PM

Thanks for your insights. Beleive me, I know everyone has good
intentions with their suggestions. I didn't get a dog. I got a cat. I
didn't want the responsibility of taking a dog out. I thought there
might be other ideas.

"Mary" wrote in message . com...
"keshcatlvr" wrote in message
om...
kaeli wrote in message

. ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD

PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking

him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of

chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry

to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


What if he does? It sounds like you don't like him much at the moment.
Six months is a long time to put up with an unhappy cat in a
one-bedroom apartment, though, so I can see why he might be getting on
your nerves. However--if you really want to keep him you will be
willing to put some effort into making him happy. If not, I can see
why you feel guilty for wanting to get rid of him, but don't know what
to say about that. His reaction seems extreme due to a change like a
one bedroom smaller apartment. Did you say he was neutered?


keshcatlvr November 22nd 03 03:11 PM

Thanks for your insights. Beleive me, I know everyone has good
intentions with their suggestions. I didn't get a dog. I got a cat. I
didn't want the responsibility of taking a dog out. I thought there
might be other ideas.

"Mary" wrote in message . com...
"keshcatlvr" wrote in message
om...
kaeli wrote in message

. ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD

PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking

him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of

chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry

to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


What if he does? It sounds like you don't like him much at the moment.
Six months is a long time to put up with an unhappy cat in a
one-bedroom apartment, though, so I can see why he might be getting on
your nerves. However--if you really want to keep him you will be
willing to put some effort into making him happy. If not, I can see
why you feel guilty for wanting to get rid of him, but don't know what
to say about that. His reaction seems extreme due to a change like a
one bedroom smaller apartment. Did you say he was neutered?


keshcatlvr November 22nd 03 03:11 PM

Thanks for your insights. Beleive me, I know everyone has good
intentions with their suggestions. I didn't get a dog. I got a cat. I
didn't want the responsibility of taking a dog out. I thought there
might be other ideas.

"Mary" wrote in message . com...
"keshcatlvr" wrote in message
om...
kaeli wrote in message

. ..
In article ,
enlightened us with...

Please, if you are going to yell at me and tell me I am a BAD

PERSON,
don't bother replying. I just want REAL suggestions.


Have you considered training him to leash and harness and taking

him out
for walks? He'd get more exercise, stimulation, and the joy of

chasing
bugs. LOL

My Rowan would go stir crazy if I didn't take her out.


Hi, thanks. I've considered it. My concern is that he will then cry

to
go out on a regular basis. P.S. no bugs here - it's WINTER~! Thanks.


What if he does? It sounds like you don't like him much at the moment.
Six months is a long time to put up with an unhappy cat in a
one-bedroom apartment, though, so I can see why he might be getting on
your nerves. However--if you really want to keep him you will be
willing to put some effort into making him happy. If not, I can see
why you feel guilty for wanting to get rid of him, but don't know what
to say about that. His reaction seems extreme due to a change like a
one bedroom smaller apartment. Did you say he was neutered?


keshcatlvr November 22nd 03 03:20 PM

I made window seats made of wood (painted) that are screwed into the
window frames. Bird feeders are not allowed here. I have a variety of
toys: the feather, the fishing pole, the wire with cardboard thingys.
He isn't that interested. But we do use them. He also has a lot of
different balls, mice, assorted toys which appear and disappear. I
alternate them. He is not interested in catnip or television.

Also, he does get time in the hallway every day. He explores. It's an
inner hallway. He cannot get outside. He looks around and then lays at
the door. The apartment is only about 400 sqare feet. We are talking
tiny.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ...
From:
(keshcatlvr)

Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather on a stick toys and play with the cats.


keshcatlvr November 22nd 03 03:20 PM

I made window seats made of wood (painted) that are screwed into the
window frames. Bird feeders are not allowed here. I have a variety of
toys: the feather, the fishing pole, the wire with cardboard thingys.
He isn't that interested. But we do use them. He also has a lot of
different balls, mice, assorted toys which appear and disappear. I
alternate them. He is not interested in catnip or television.

Also, he does get time in the hallway every day. He explores. It's an
inner hallway. He cannot get outside. He looks around and then lays at
the door. The apartment is only about 400 sqare feet. We are talking
tiny.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ...
From:
(keshcatlvr)

Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather on a stick toys and play with the cats.


keshcatlvr November 22nd 03 03:20 PM

I made window seats made of wood (painted) that are screwed into the
window frames. Bird feeders are not allowed here. I have a variety of
toys: the feather, the fishing pole, the wire with cardboard thingys.
He isn't that interested. But we do use them. He also has a lot of
different balls, mice, assorted toys which appear and disappear. I
alternate them. He is not interested in catnip or television.

Also, he does get time in the hallway every day. He explores. It's an
inner hallway. He cannot get outside. He looks around and then lays at
the door. The apartment is only about 400 sqare feet. We are talking
tiny.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ...
From:
(keshcatlvr)

Get a floor to ceiling cat tree. I have a couple of them. I also have a
utility cart in front of a big window so they can look out and then I have a
bird feeder in front of that window. Get some interactive toys like feather on a stick toys and play with the cats.



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