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feed Nutro?
Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM).
Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront of current taurine research. The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (JAVMA) recently published the results of a UC Davis study begun in 1997 and completed in 2001 that was based on a twelve-dog sample over a four-year period. The study theorized that feeding certain diets may lead to low blood concentrations of taurine, which may in turn lead to DCM in some small number of dogs. Because the UC Davis study involved some Nutro products, mainly due to our enormous market share in the UC Davis marketplace, the article may convey the impression to a casual reader that feeding Nutro's lamb meal and rice products leads to taurine deficiency. This was not stated in the article and is simply not true. The UC Davis team has subsequently stated that " this is a genetic and environmental issue and we need to do more research on the effect of diet." The report did correctly state that one of the manufacturers of the pet foods sited had subsequently added taurine to its product. That manufacturer was Nutro. Nutro's nutritionists, along with UC Davis, have conducted intensive research over the past several years on taurine metabolism in dogs. As a result, Nutro has determined the optimal amounts of dietary taurine necessary to produce blood and plasma taurine concentrations well within the levels recommended by UC Davis. Nutro's foods contain more than this amount. The article printed in JAVMA is old news. Beginning in 2001, and continuing today, all of Nutro's Natural Choice products have been enriched with added, extra taurine to provide insurance to even the very small number of dogs that may be predisposed to DCM (less than 0.5%). As you can see by the enclosed chart, Natural Choice Lamb Meal & Rice contains more taurine than other competitive brands. In fact, as much as 180% more. Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients to make the best pet foods. Our products are formulated based on the latest research and scientific findings regarding dog and cat nutrition. We continually enhance our foods to insure the health and well being of our consumers' pets. When we say Natural Choice is THE BEST DOG FOOD IN THE WORLD we mean it. And you can be absolutely confident that by feeding Nutro's pet foods you are providing the very best nutrition available today for your loving pet. If you have additional questions or desire additional information please feel free to contact us at 1-800-833-5330 or at www.nutroproducts.com. Thank you again for your inquiry |
Tamara wrote:
Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM). Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront of current taurine research. snip I didn't inquire, but since you seem to be a representative of Nutro given your email address perhaps you can share with us the dry matter analysis % of the following Nutro product: "Natural Choice Complete Care Adult" (dry) Please don't respond with a "canned" answer, thank you. Well folks, looks like the pet food companies do pay attention. I verified the email addy, it is valid. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Tamara wrote:
Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM). Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront of current taurine research. snip I didn't inquire, but since you seem to be a representative of Nutro given your email address perhaps you can share with us the dry matter analysis % of the following Nutro product: "Natural Choice Complete Care Adult" (dry) Please don't respond with a "canned" answer, thank you. Well folks, looks like the pet food companies do pay attention. I verified the email addy, it is valid. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Tamara wrote:
Thanks for your inquiry about taurine and cardiomyopathy (DCM). Taurine is essential for a healthy heart and Nutro is on the forefront of current taurine research. snip I didn't inquire, but since you seem to be a representative of Nutro given your email address perhaps you can share with us the dry matter analysis % of the following Nutro product: "Natural Choice Complete Care Adult" (dry) Please don't respond with a "canned" answer, thank you. Well folks, looks like the pet food companies do pay attention. I verified the email addy, it is valid. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? These have been rumours circulating in the newsgroup for a long while now. You have the opportunity now to perhaps correct this information as you did with the JAVMA study. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? These have been rumours circulating in the newsgroup for a long while now. You have the opportunity now to perhaps correct this information as you did with the JAVMA study. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? These have been rumours circulating in the newsgroup for a long while now. You have the opportunity now to perhaps correct this information as you did with the JAVMA study. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
"Tamara" wrote in message om... Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients How do you manage that feat using least cost formulation where the quality of ingredients fluctuates from batch to batch with ingredient prices? Our products are formulated based on the latest research and scientific findings ...by other pet food manufacturers... What good is the science if you use "least cost formulation" where every new batch is a crap shoot and a mystery stew? We continually enhance our foods Can't tell....you no longer publish the proximate analyses of your diets on your website... And you can be absolutely confident that ....Nutro isn't the same food upon which your reputation was built years ago. Phil (former diehard Nutro customer) |
"Tamara" wrote in message om... Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients How do you manage that feat using least cost formulation where the quality of ingredients fluctuates from batch to batch with ingredient prices? Our products are formulated based on the latest research and scientific findings ...by other pet food manufacturers... What good is the science if you use "least cost formulation" where every new batch is a crap shoot and a mystery stew? We continually enhance our foods Can't tell....you no longer publish the proximate analyses of your diets on your website... And you can be absolutely confident that ....Nutro isn't the same food upon which your reputation was built years ago. Phil (former diehard Nutro customer) |
"Tamara" wrote in message om... Nutro is committed to using the best ingredients How do you manage that feat using least cost formulation where the quality of ingredients fluctuates from batch to batch with ingredient prices? Our products are formulated based on the latest research and scientific findings ...by other pet food manufacturers... What good is the science if you use "least cost formulation" where every new batch is a crap shoot and a mystery stew? We continually enhance our foods Can't tell....you no longer publish the proximate analyses of your diets on your website... And you can be absolutely confident that ....Nutro isn't the same food upon which your reputation was built years ago. Phil (former diehard Nutro customer) |
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message .. . Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet. A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used. Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer... Phil |
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message .. . Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet. A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used. Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer... Phil |
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message .. . Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet. A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used. Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer... Phil |
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Phil P. wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message .. . Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet. A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used. Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer... Phil Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without much thought. I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to provide some answers for us. I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural Chicken & Rice the following text: "California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages." This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically a one size fits all formulation. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Phil P. wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message .. . Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet. A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used. Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer... Phil Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without much thought. I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to provide some answers for us. I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural Chicken & Rice the following text: "California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages." This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically a one size fits all formulation. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Phil P. wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote in message .. . Perhaps you could also confirm, deny and elaborate on the following as well: Does Nutro no long do feeding trials of the cat food products? That's not a rumor, Joe. The label statement on Nutro products "....is formulated to meet the nutritional levels estabĀ*lished by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for... " means feeding trials were not used to assure nutritional adequacy (and digestibility) of the diet. A food that bears the the label statement "Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that...." .indicates that feeding trials were used. Does Nutro now formulate cat food based on least-cost methods? Why was the proximate analysis of the Nutro foods remove from the website a while back? I think the above two are probably related. Nutro can't very well publish proximate analyses of their diets if the nutritional values of their diets vary from batch to batch. Still, I'd like to see their answer... Phil Good points, different wording which most of us just glance over without much thought. I'm a former Nutro customer as well, and I'm not holding my breathe for answers here but I thought I would provide the opportunity for Nutro to provide some answers for us. I've noted with some interest the wording on a bag of California Natural Chicken & Rice the following text: "California Naural Chicken & Rice Cat Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO (American Association of Feed Control Officials) Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages." This now tell me two things: That California Natural is not testing via a feed trial and that it meets the higher growth AAFCO standards for growth & reproduction. In other words queens & kittens. It is basically a one size fits all formulation. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group?
Forgive my ignorance. |
Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group?
Forgive my ignorance. |
Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group?
Forgive my ignorance. |
Paulette wrote:
Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group? Forgive my ignorance. Because Nutro also produces cat food. If they are not up to par in one area, then it is reasonable to expect they may not be up to par in other areas as well. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Paulette wrote:
Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group? Forgive my ignorance. Because Nutro also produces cat food. If they are not up to par in one area, then it is reasonable to expect they may not be up to par in other areas as well. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
Paulette wrote:
Why quote a study on DOGS ,when these are cat owners on this group? Forgive my ignorance. Because Nutro also produces cat food. If they are not up to par in one area, then it is reasonable to expect they may not be up to par in other areas as well. -- "Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck |
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"Phil P." wrote in message news:qv-dnXbXV8pDky2iRVn-
It's interesting that Nutro mailed out a four page letter to nearly every vet in the country making similar claims as Tamarra did above. The interesting part was it was signed by a Cathy Machlik Ph.D. No veterinarian listed anywhere, and when you do a Google on Dr. Machlik you find she hasn't published anything. Research from Nutro - Sounds like a great definition of an oxymoron to me. |
"Phil P." wrote in message news:qv-dnXbXV8pDky2iRVn-
It's interesting that Nutro mailed out a four page letter to nearly every vet in the country making similar claims as Tamarra did above. The interesting part was it was signed by a Cathy Machlik Ph.D. No veterinarian listed anywhere, and when you do a Google on Dr. Machlik you find she hasn't published anything. Research from Nutro - Sounds like a great definition of an oxymoron to me. |
"Phil P." wrote in message news:qv-dnXbXV8pDky2iRVn-
It's interesting that Nutro mailed out a four page letter to nearly every vet in the country making similar claims as Tamarra did above. The interesting part was it was signed by a Cathy Machlik Ph.D. No veterinarian listed anywhere, and when you do a Google on Dr. Machlik you find she hasn't published anything. Research from Nutro - Sounds like a great definition of an oxymoron to me. |
"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om... Perhaps you could let us know when you made the changes to Nutro Natural Choice Senior and Lite? Product still in the stores does not yet show the addition of taurine to the ingredient label, yet your web site shows taurine added. Is this a fairly recent change to these two products? Oh great.. now Nutro's a bad cat food. I have been feeding my cats Nutro Natural Choice Lite for the past several months, and all has appeared to be well. No funky stools, Bartleby hasn't had any UTI's, all the cats like it. How does this new formula of Nutro affect urinary tract health? That is one of my main concerns. I need a cat food that will promote good urinary tract health, preferably a light formula, two of my cats need to to lose weight, and also promote good dental health. I thought I had found that with the Natural Choice Lite. I'm not adverse to mixing two foods together, as long as they don't counteract each other. I also feed one small can of Wellness a day, split between 5 cats, as a treat, and also to give Bartleby more moisture in his diet. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com |
"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om... Perhaps you could let us know when you made the changes to Nutro Natural Choice Senior and Lite? Product still in the stores does not yet show the addition of taurine to the ingredient label, yet your web site shows taurine added. Is this a fairly recent change to these two products? Oh great.. now Nutro's a bad cat food. I have been feeding my cats Nutro Natural Choice Lite for the past several months, and all has appeared to be well. No funky stools, Bartleby hasn't had any UTI's, all the cats like it. How does this new formula of Nutro affect urinary tract health? That is one of my main concerns. I need a cat food that will promote good urinary tract health, preferably a light formula, two of my cats need to to lose weight, and also promote good dental health. I thought I had found that with the Natural Choice Lite. I'm not adverse to mixing two foods together, as long as they don't counteract each other. I also feed one small can of Wellness a day, split between 5 cats, as a treat, and also to give Bartleby more moisture in his diet. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com |
"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om... Perhaps you could let us know when you made the changes to Nutro Natural Choice Senior and Lite? Product still in the stores does not yet show the addition of taurine to the ingredient label, yet your web site shows taurine added. Is this a fairly recent change to these two products? Oh great.. now Nutro's a bad cat food. I have been feeding my cats Nutro Natural Choice Lite for the past several months, and all has appeared to be well. No funky stools, Bartleby hasn't had any UTI's, all the cats like it. How does this new formula of Nutro affect urinary tract health? That is one of my main concerns. I need a cat food that will promote good urinary tract health, preferably a light formula, two of my cats need to to lose weight, and also promote good dental health. I thought I had found that with the Natural Choice Lite. I'm not adverse to mixing two foods together, as long as they don't counteract each other. I also feed one small can of Wellness a day, split between 5 cats, as a treat, and also to give Bartleby more moisture in his diet. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com |
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