"KellyH" wrote:

I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was
counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the
ratio of the mix was like 1:4.

I believe that although it's not labeled as such, the SD Oral Care does help
with weight management. At least it has helped one of our cats who was formerly
pudgy. Although there are a number of other reasons for her weight loss (she
weighed 14 lbs. in Feb. and is now down to 12 lbs 9 oz) she has been eating the
Oral Care during this time.

"KellyH" wrote:

I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was
counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the
ratio of the mix was like 1:4.

I believe that although it's not labeled as such, the SD Oral Care does help
with weight management. At least it has helped one of our cats who was formerly
pudgy. Although there are a number of other reasons for her weight loss (she
weighed 14 lbs. in Feb. and is now down to 12 lbs 9 oz) she has been eating the
Oral Care during this time.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
(...)

Studies comparing Eukanuba (an IAMS product) to Dog Chow for tartar reduction
saw Dog Chow beat Eukanuba!!

I can only comment on the literature I have seen for the Iams Daily
Dental Care (or whatever it's called) in particular. I have not yet
seen any bumph about Eukanuba products. Eukanuba Iams, although
they are owned by the same company.


I don't remember the %s.

But do you remember the cite ...?

IAMS products will pass the stringent critieria that comes w/ VOHC testing,
but we'll have to see. Perhaps Steve Crane knows more about this?

Consulting the VOHC web site (http://www.vohc.org) we see that to be
approved, the diet must show a 10% reduction in plaque and/or tartar
buildup when compared with appropriate controls, over a minimum test
period. This difference must also be statistically significant. Note
also that the assessment of buildup is subjective.

Given that the Iams blurb claims a 40% reduction, it seems quite
possible that they could meet the above requirements. If I were a
betting man, I would bet that Iams will submit data to get the VOHC
seal. But I'm not. So there.



It also seems
that Iams dry would fit the bill for dental health stuff, even though
it has not yet passed VOHC protocols.

Well, until it does, it really can't be recommended for "dental health", now
can it?

That depends on whether you believe the 40% figure quoted in the Iams
literature. I suppose they could be lying, eh...? Maybe it's all a
conspiracy...

Steve.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
(...)

Studies comparing Eukanuba (an IAMS product) to Dog Chow for tartar reduction
saw Dog Chow beat Eukanuba!!

I can only comment on the literature I have seen for the Iams Daily
Dental Care (or whatever it's called) in particular. I have not yet
seen any bumph about Eukanuba products. Eukanuba Iams, although
they are owned by the same company.


I don't remember the %s.

But do you remember the cite ...?

IAMS products will pass the stringent critieria that comes w/ VOHC testing,
but we'll have to see. Perhaps Steve Crane knows more about this?

Consulting the VOHC web site (http://www.vohc.org) we see that to be
approved, the diet must show a 10% reduction in plaque and/or tartar
buildup when compared with appropriate controls, over a minimum test
period. This difference must also be statistically significant. Note
also that the assessment of buildup is subjective.

Given that the Iams blurb claims a 40% reduction, it seems quite
possible that they could meet the above requirements. If I were a
betting man, I would bet that Iams will submit data to get the VOHC
seal. But I'm not. So there.



It also seems
that Iams dry would fit the bill for dental health stuff, even though
it has not yet passed VOHC protocols.

Well, until it does, it really can't be recommended for "dental health", now
can it?

That depends on whether you believe the 40% figure quoted in the Iams
literature. I suppose they could be lying, eh...? Maybe it's all a
conspiracy...

Steve.

(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
(...)

Studies comparing Eukanuba (an IAMS product) to Dog Chow for tartar reduction
saw Dog Chow beat Eukanuba!!

I can only comment on the literature I have seen for the Iams Daily
Dental Care (or whatever it's called) in particular. I have not yet
seen any bumph about Eukanuba products. Eukanuba Iams, although
they are owned by the same company.


I don't remember the %s.

But do you remember the cite ...?

IAMS products will pass the stringent critieria that comes w/ VOHC testing,
but we'll have to see. Perhaps Steve Crane knows more about this?

Consulting the VOHC web site (http://www.vohc.org) we see that to be
approved, the diet must show a 10% reduction in plaque and/or tartar
buildup when compared with appropriate controls, over a minimum test
period. This difference must also be statistically significant. Note
also that the assessment of buildup is subjective.

Given that the Iams blurb claims a 40% reduction, it seems quite
possible that they could meet the above requirements. If I were a
betting man, I would bet that Iams will submit data to get the VOHC
seal. But I'm not. So there.



It also seems
that Iams dry would fit the bill for dental health stuff, even though
it has not yet passed VOHC protocols.

Well, until it does, it really can't be recommended for "dental health", now
can it?

That depends on whether you believe the 40% figure quoted in the Iams
literature. I suppose they could be lying, eh...? Maybe it's all a
conspiracy...

Steve.

(Steve G) wrote in message . com...
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact
dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal.

Not quite. Foods that carry the VOHC seal have been shown to have a
positive impact on dental health. Foods that do not carry this seal
could be useful for dental health, but they have not submitted to the
VOHC protocols. An example of this is the Iams Dental Diet products
(all Iams dry foods AFAIK). These foods claim a reduction in the rate
of tartar buildup of up to 40%. However, these foods are not yet VOHC
approved, although perhaps they will be in the future.

Iams has successfully passed VOHC for TARTAR ONLY for two foods only.

http://www.vohc.org/
click on "currently accepted products" for a complete list.

It is important to understand that tartar, while the most visible part
of oral care, is not nearly as imortant as plaque. Tartar had little
negative impact on the health of the animals gigival tissue, plaque
which eventually becomes tartar, is much more impactful on overall
health. Beyond the plaque and tartar claims will be claims regarding
gingivitis which would be the most important of any dental claims.
Prescription Diet Canine and Feline t/d both carry claims to reduce
gingivitis. Currently VOHC has no program in place to award approval
for gingivitis claims.

(Steve G) wrote in message . com...
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact
dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal.

Not quite. Foods that carry the VOHC seal have been shown to have a
positive impact on dental health. Foods that do not carry this seal
could be useful for dental health, but they have not submitted to the
VOHC protocols. An example of this is the Iams Dental Diet products
(all Iams dry foods AFAIK). These foods claim a reduction in the rate
of tartar buildup of up to 40%. However, these foods are not yet VOHC
approved, although perhaps they will be in the future.

Iams has successfully passed VOHC for TARTAR ONLY for two foods only.

http://www.vohc.org/
click on "currently accepted products" for a complete list.

It is important to understand that tartar, while the most visible part
of oral care, is not nearly as imortant as plaque. Tartar had little
negative impact on the health of the animals gigival tissue, plaque
which eventually becomes tartar, is much more impactful on overall
health. Beyond the plaque and tartar claims will be claims regarding
gingivitis which would be the most important of any dental claims.
Prescription Diet Canine and Feline t/d both carry claims to reduce
gingivitis. Currently VOHC has no program in place to award approval
for gingivitis claims.

(Steve G) wrote in message . com...
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ...
As for dental health, the only foods that will really positively impact
dental health are foods that carry the VOHC seal.

Not quite. Foods that carry the VOHC seal have been shown to have a
positive impact on dental health. Foods that do not carry this seal
could be useful for dental health, but they have not submitted to the
VOHC protocols. An example of this is the Iams Dental Diet products
(all Iams dry foods AFAIK). These foods claim a reduction in the rate
of tartar buildup of up to 40%. However, these foods are not yet VOHC
approved, although perhaps they will be in the future.

Iams has successfully passed VOHC for TARTAR ONLY for two foods only.

http://www.vohc.org/
click on "currently accepted products" for a complete list.

It is important to understand that tartar, while the most visible part
of oral care, is not nearly as imortant as plaque. Tartar had little
negative impact on the health of the animals gigival tissue, plaque
which eventually becomes tartar, is much more impactful on overall
health. Beyond the plaque and tartar claims will be claims regarding
gingivitis which would be the most important of any dental claims.
Prescription Diet Canine and Feline t/d both carry claims to reduce
gingivitis. Currently VOHC has no program in place to award approval
for gingivitis claims.

KellyH wrote:
"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...


Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it

say

anywhere on the bag? A true LIGHT cat food should have less than 3,250

kcal

in order to be called a LIGHT food.

3,250kcal per .... ?

3250 kcal per kilo of food fed.


I looked all over the bag and can't find any kcal info. I have to correct
myself. It's not "lite" it's "Weight Management", which claims to be "30%
less fat than our regular formula".
Here's the nutritional info from Nutro's website:
http://www.nutroproducts.com/nccatweight.asp

I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was
counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the
ratio of the mix was like 1:4.

Is your kitty not losing weight on it? You may want to try a wet light
food, if you cat will eat wet food, that is. :) I tried a few different
kinds of light food with my Audrey, nothing worked that well. Her
problem isn't overeating, it's lack of activity.... ;) So if you find
something that works, post it - many of us would love to know!

K

KellyH wrote:
"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...


Kelly, a couple of things....what is the kcal of Nutro "lite"? Does it

say

anywhere on the bag? A true LIGHT cat food should have less than 3,250

kcal

in order to be called a LIGHT food.

3,250kcal per .... ?

3250 kcal per kilo of food fed.


I looked all over the bag and can't find any kcal info. I have to correct
myself. It's not "lite" it's "Weight Management", which claims to be "30%
less fat than our regular formula".
Here's the nutritional info from Nutro's website:
http://www.nutroproducts.com/nccatweight.asp

I was mixing in the Science Diet Oral Care, but then someone told me I was
counter-acting the weight management qualities of the Nutro, although the
ratio of the mix was like 1:4.

Is your kitty not losing weight on it? You may want to try a wet light
food, if you cat will eat wet food, that is. :) I tried a few different
kinds of light food with my Audrey, nothing worked that well. Her
problem isn't overeating, it's lack of activity.... ;) So if you find
something that works, post it - many of us would love to know!

K