On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:00:28 -0700, bookie wrote:

On 22 Aug, 22:01, "-L." wrote:
Charlie Wilkes wrote:

Sure, there's a difference. Drowning is not the worst possible way
for an animal to die. But it is not a humane means of killing.

Oh STFU Charlie. You're the last one who should be debating the
"humanity" of animal cruelty. You're the one who tied a dog up and
left it for 3 days without food as a form of punishment and later
posted a picture of your cat hanging from its harness "for fun". You're
just a sick, warped ****, and anyone who has been around here longer
than 5 minutes knows it.

You still need a reason why you didn't get Conan? This thread proves
why. Asshole.

-L.

what?

are you serious?

he with held food from a dog for 3 days??!!?? as a 'punishment'??!!!

No. The dog missed one feeding. I did it because she ran off and stayed
out all night, which in my neck of the woods puts a dog at risk of
getting shot.


dogs do not need punishing, they do not do things which require
punishing, if they do something which we find unacceptable then they
will nto hav done it out of malice or just to be 'naughty' or 'bad', all
they need is better training and to know what is acceptable using
POSITIVE reinforcement. by punishing a dog all you get is a ocnfused,
stressed and unhappy dog who will probably go on to produce even more
unacceptable behaviours out of confusion (which will again of course be
interpreted by some idiot human as the dog being naughty and said canine
will probably then be punished for doing somethign he didn't know was
'wrong' in the first place but which is his way of coping with stress of
an uncaring owner, and thus the cycle begins and spirals out of
control).

when people come out with crap like 'that dog needs to be punished' it
is usually the owners who need to be punished for not training their dog
properly and not being consistent in their approach, that is the bottom
line. Dogs just want to please their owners and be accepted and be part
of the pack and the family, they would not knowlingly do anything which
would anger theri 'master' or cause them to be ousted from the pack
would they? anyone who thinks otherwise should get a grip, and
definintely NOT get a dog.

oh god I'm off again, i just can't bear the idea of some poor frightened
confused dog, wondering why on earth the master he loves so much is
treating him this way and what on earth he has done to get this
treatment, it just makes my heart weep. people who want to have a dog
shoudl think about what the world looks like from the dog's perspective
first and how the behaviours and actions of humans will be interpreted
by the dog, and first and foremost accept that dogs are not capable of
willfully doing 'evil' and 'naughty' things.

christ alive, this has totally ruined my day now

Yeah, well the good news is the dog was killed, probably by a neighbor,
in my own front yard, so you can sleep tight knowing I got my comeuppance.

Charlie