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Pat wrote:
"Rhonda" wrote

I notice the increased throat-clearing myself after drinking milk,
and
I'm
no singer!

I don't know about throat clearing because I have never drunk milk. In
fact
I never ate dairy products at all until I was 17 years old and heard
from
a
doctor that if I wanted my stomach ulcer to heal, I had to eat as much
dairy
as possible. I couldn't force myself to drink milk, but I did start
putting
cream in my coffee and eating cheese, butter and yoghurt regularly
(but
still could not drink milk). After six months I had kidney stones,
chronic
bronchitis, 20 extra pounds and severe acne.

Just curious, but why not? What *did* you eat when you were a kid? No
cold cereal with milk, no buttered toast, no ice cream? No cheese?
Growing up in the 50's, that would be *very* unusual, and difficult,
particularly with school lunch menus the way they were then.

As an infant I couldn't keep cow's milk down, so my mom gave me soymilk
(she
told me later on). She still tried to force me to drink milk as I got
older,
but I never would. I ate my cereal dry or with some fruit juice on it.
Toast
was dry or with jam.

We didn't have lunches served at my grade school, you either brought a
lunch
or walked home if you lived close enough. In high school I was given
money
for the lunch but I went to a friend's house half a block from school and
ate with them, and saved up my "lunch money" for other stuff like makeup
and
records. I did now and then eat a watery fudgesicle but I mainly liked
the
coldness and the chocolate flavor. I didn't do that often because it
always
made me feel really sick. In high school the gang I hung around with
would
go out to a pizzaria after football and basketball games, I'd eat one
slice
to be polite and "normal", and get sick later on.

My mom ate a lot of Velveeta and cottage cheese. I wouldn't touch either
one. My dad liked some sort of hard orange cheese that I couldn't stand.
There was always parmesan (those green cardboard cans) in the fridge,
too,
but I didn't eat it. I do remember going through a phase when I liked
bleu
cheese dressing but it was quite brief. Tried it in a restaurant once,
liked
it, and later asked my parents to keep it around for me. Neither of them
could fathom the attraction - and now I can't even stand the smell of it!

In recent years I've had small amounts of ranch dressing on salad in
restaurants a few times and gotten away with it. I don't really like it,
but
plain salad is pretty boring, and the other dressings are loaded with
sugar.
If salsa is available I use that instead of dressing. Or, if I know in
advance that I'll be eating out, I take a small amount of homemade
dressing
in a bottle in my purse, if possible.

It makes perfect sense why you would avoid dairy products at all costs.
Anyone would.
If I could offer this, though, no one likes to be proselytized. I don't
think that's really your intent, but it is definitely the tone of your
posts. Making a comment strictly "from the bleachers", you just sound
like one of people who consider themselves super-enlightened whose
dreary task is to educate all the woefully ignorant masses.
Those of us who choose to, and enjoy, milk with no ill effects, just
don't appreciate being preached to. If I can be bold, I think that's
basically why this thread went sour.
I guess I just have a cest la vie attitude--I don't get fired up about
much and I don't put a lot of stock in a whole lot that I read on what
I consider wacko fringe internet sites. And I think for myself. I think
that's the biggest issue -- I make my own decisions *when* I want to
and with information *I* research or request.
I think you intend to post more in the spirit of debate, but it comes
off as just plain arguing and trying to prove someone wrong.
To make an example, I remember you smoke. A lot of folks here have
casually mentioned that they smoke. How would you feel if you made a
casual comment and were hit with quit-smoking websites, information
from the surgeon general, the lung association, heart association, or
whatever else? You'd feel criticized by friends. Maybe their intent was
to help you (and I think that's your intent the milk, sugar, etc.
threads). But you'd probably think it was rude and condescending.
Anyway,, I hope you receive this in the spirit it was offered, and it
is *not* to criticize you. Just wanted to offer the situation as I see
it.
Sherry

You hit it right on the nose Sherry